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Pls improve video narration with animations... Look at young kids mohak soch and Dhruv rathee. Vox. etc. Your video editing and animation don't do justice to your astonishing experiences and anecdotes. It's very simple move..."20per work will result in 80 per. Effectivity". Pareto
@@samirthapa6145 www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2003/07/08/commentary/vajpayee-kowtows-to-china/ LOL. You do not even know what your government has recognized.
@Adam Romanov LOL so people in Nagaland are not considered as humans by you guys, I will take note. Also annexation of Tawang from Tibet in 1951 by force is showing brotherhood. Indians are incredible!
@Adam Romanov You can't even tell the difference between Indonesian and Chinese- and declaring a Sulawesi market as in Wuhan, that's really pathetic. And it seems you are proud of your racism. Goodbye and enjoy your illusion.
Samir Thapa Since you wanna know the truth. Let me tell you India annexed Tibetan Tawang in 1951 militarily, but your media will not tell you this. Media are more interested in popularity rather than hard truth.
Chineese 'friendship' have only brought us a lot heartburns in trade, UN seat, Pakistan and so on. Chineese could beat Indians every day in our minds through this 'friendship'. New found 'enimity' has atleast bought an upbeat and confident mood. Let's enjoy the feeling for sometime, and let 'friendship' build on a later date of mutual convenience.
Precisely! The so called friendship has actually been a smoke screen, while CCP China has always subverted Indian interests everywhere including the UN Security Council Perment Seat and to bring Pakistan's combat capabilities as close as possible to India etc. It's not just hot springs and Aksai that are the concerns of CCP, but they consider India itself as one of their chief adversaries that need to be sorted.
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@Kitty Cat , who said that Americans are not infiltrated with CCP propaganda agent ? Keep spitting out your senseless rhetoric. In grand scheme of things, your chitter-chatter will get engulfed without any random guy like me having to take any special efforts. 😁😆
Careless goi allowed surrounded countries to do ventures and sudden actions these people can not accept. When defense minister says we don't have money to upgrade it shows our capabilities
@Sheik Mamed Bux Not an issue. India has the resources to manage it. Indian defence expenditure will go up. Not sure whether Pakistan can catch up with the higher Indian expenditures.
Joking? Do you know what Aksai Chin means in local language - China's white-sand beach for thousands of years! So-called India did not in existence then, the area of India was only one quarter of today.
Takes balls and power to do such a thing. India's policy towards China is "appeasement". S. Jaishankar, the Indian MEA, believes China can be a strategic partner, he is willing to kiss Beijing's ass and loves singing the song of "Asian century"(as though China will tolerate India's rise).
@@aadityamurali18 Well, India(Tibet's only trusted neighbour) gifted Tibet away to China in goodwill. India took the case of Kashmir to the U.N while it said Tibet is China's internal matter and has to be solved by those in Beijing. Russia stopped Mongolia from becoming a part of China while India...just gave Tibet away to appease China. Forget the world, India itself doesn't recognise it's neighbour of thousands of years.
Historically Ladakh has been part of Tibet and ruled by Tibetan kings. Today india recognises that Tibet is part of China so there is merit in India accepting the Chinese 1959 line as an international border and get over with border disputes and start working for the development of India.
I think it's time to call spade a spade. A Distinguished Chinese scholar is talking about how Hot Spring areas were used by local Chinese population for healing and then goes on to describe what India has in it's mind. We talk about Chinese pragmatism of proposing a line in 1959 and then only coming to that line in 1962 and withdrawing magnanimously after that. We talk about British power games that drove them to define boundary between India and Tibet, with the Tibetian local administration of that time. The same China which claims the whole of South China Sea, the Same China occupied the Tibet and then try to redefine the boundaries accepted by then local administration, the same China magnanimously gives loans and then defends intelligently the infrastructure where the capital was invested, is now rightly claiming what they have been claiming from decades in India. But then Indian have also been going to Mansarovar for centuries so lets start claiming Mansaoravar. Indian ocean is named after India so lets start claiming it. Many Chinese have been practicing Buddhism so let's start claiming apart from Tibet, part of China was an Indian state. May be in five or six decades some Chinese journalist will be talking same like you Sir, and may describe India's claim with such a sugar coated language with all the intellectual backings of books written and what distinguished Indian professor says in the interviews.
Brits: Here is a line I drew. The area belongs to British Empire. China: I do not agree. It is mine. Even the name is China's White Beach! India: Whatever the Brits claim, it is mine! China: Let's fight for it! India: No, let's have a stare contest. Did I summarize the whole situation accurately?
@@aconsciousnaut5323 But how do you call Chinese occupation of Tibet is illegal? You called it? UN called it? Tell me exactly you would come to this conclusion that a land is "illegally occupied" how this "illegal occupied land" be legally "un-occupied?" Through what mechanism? How would you carry it out? Do not throw words in Internet and assume that by throwing words that somehow something becomes a reality to your liking. From Chinese perspective, Tibet is always part of China. It is quite logical: if Tibet was not part of the China, how come Tibet called Beijing the Central Government for so many centuries? And how come Tibet HAD THE NEED to declare independence TWICE with Brits support? Tell me, if a nation is independence, why did it need to declare independence from a foreign entity? It must have a governmental relationship prior to justify such an action right? So the Chinese government, once the Nationalist government (which is now in Taiwan by the way) sent in troop to crush the separation group. And the second time, another Chinese government, the CCP, sent troop to crush the second separation group. Neither government accept the independence. In another word, Tibet was never an independent country FOR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVADE AND OCCUPY. So what is your "legical explanation" that Tibet was "illegally" occupied by China? Don't throw words. Use facts.
@@saketpatil1306 Tibet is a name of a region in China. Tibet called Beijing the central government. It tried to declare independence twice with Brits support. But both times got crushed by troops sent from central government. If you can not come up with official document that Chinese agreed to Tibet going independence, then your insistence that Tibet is Tibet is no different than you declare your house independent and will not pay tax. IRS will arrest you and you can keep insisting that you are independent in the jail for as long as you want. LOL :)
A true Brahmins! So knowledgeable! Although your points may not be agreed. Who ignited so strong nationalism among low castes in India? Look at the comments below, really desperate to expect a rational India.
The real solution lies in making India economically strong. And that's possible only if we let private companies grow our wealth without Govt. hinderance. Of course Govt. will need to make sure no one breaks the law. Govt. has no business to be in any business. Govt. should not run airplane, mills, Trains, bus, telephone, oil, banks etc. Look how private companies made India #1 in software and Pharma. We wasted 66 years trying the public sector way, lets try the private way now.
@Ather because usa militarily and economically strong is thousands of miles away and Japan which is next door to china is only economically strong. India being both militarily and economically strong will be a force to reckon
Pigs may fly before this happens. The government officers derive their pleasure from holding up stuff and making others bow down. They are proud to say even Ambani has to agree to us
@Ather That suggestion to compromise with China came from Pakistan. Perhaps, it originated in China itself. I am not telling you are either a Pakistani or a Chinese. During 2nd world war, many people said the same thing about Hitler. "Compromise with Hitler, He is way too strong". Economy can only do so much. After that it's the audacity of the soldiers. Why do you think China is hesitant in taking back the heights which India captured a month back. As long as India has the audacity to stand up to China, they will not be at rest. Dhoklam was the turning point.
@Ather You have brought some good points. Somehow we always seem to blame USA for our situation. You also think like the Chinese that only reason we are standing up to China is because of USA. That's wrong. We are standing up to China because China does not believe in compromise. Compromise is a two way street. China's border with India is ever changing. It changes with time. We bought a lot of arms from USA. But India expects a lot from USA just because we are both democracies. Nehru even asked Kennedy for a fleet with pilots. He was a socialist but did not hesitate to ask for help from USA. Anyway, this is the first time in history of India, Indians are standing up to China. Yes India should compromise from a position of strength.
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Thank you Shekhar ji, that you provided information what was the claim line of 1959 as claimed by China. Thank you for considering my comment from your previous clutter. And I thank you for decluttering and telling us the history behind this
Dear Mr Gupta it's a pleasure following #CutTheClutter regularly. Hope you are doing well now. Please continue this series as long as possible. Regards.
Shekhar Ji, The amount of respect that you command in the world of journalism, you still are vulnerable , like most Indian, is calling McMahon line as McMohan. It is actually MaaaacMohan & not Mohan, which is the typical Indian psyche as Mohan pyare is omnipresent in Indian household. Hare Krishna. So next time , you can note it.
Imagine if the boundary has been defined in Nehru and Mao era. China and India might be the most powerful alliance on this planet for centuries to come. But oh well, that little tiny line drawn by the Brits caused two great civilizations to fight against each other for millenniums to come. Well done, Great Britain!
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India --- VS ---- China, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Kashmir, Ladakh, northeastern state, Communist Party of India, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Saipan, Djibouti, Arunachal ,Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, Cambodia, East Timor，Bhutan, Sikkim，North Korea，Cuba, Venezuela，Madagascar, Mauritius,Afghanistan and all Muslim
@Joseph Li why don't you practice what you preach. You could have easily disliked my comment and moved on. But, instead, you unnecessarily indulged into argument over a facile matter.
British Empire: I draw a line on the map and I claim this area. China: I do not agree. India: Whatever British Empire claimed, I claim. China: Let's fight for it. India: No. Let's have a stare contest. Did I summarize the situation accurately? :)
Please do another CTC on Hathras case. A lot of clutter has happened since you spoke last time. So many narratives like rape, no rape , honour killing and also, violation of rules, denial of rights, and the drama of politics. It's so shameful that this happens in our country :(
@Kaushal Batavia you may not think this is a caste based crime. But, those see it as caste based crime have not committed any crime, not breached any law, then why should they be put in jail?
Seem SG has no career choice other than becoming neighbour’s spoke person. More than 80% of talk is about Chinese prospects, references and books that support it. He is smartly says he does not support their view but repeatedly emphasis their line of control. We never adventures in capturing other territory or taking a forefront in aggressing other’s area. What does SG want to say, we have capture China’s land because our poor neighbour could not defend their territory for having a geographical disadvantage. They are so generous that they let India come to their border. Sorry, we all know Chinese nature and though process; they are opposite in nature. Remember, from the beginning of Independence, India has philosophy we don’t invade and we don’t have an enemy. Though, it is proved wrong by them. Guys, better to be careful and more importantly thoughtful about their strategy in winning the war. Now a day, they know that no need bloodshed to win a war. Better fund this spoke person, news channel, and social media to wash your mind first and rest will follow. Read and watch information, which are available in online sources; but, absorb it only after necessary filtration and processing that information in your mind. Again, we need to be careful at the present time.
One of his finest. I am thank Shekhar Ji for enlightening millennials with strategic thinking going ahead. One request. Can you cover how Chinese have behaved in various conflicts including 1967 and stand offs in the past? And, how successful India has been in preventing those efforts by Chinese? A summary would be a big help as China marches ahead.
SEKHAR SIR , ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU FOR KEEPING MY PROMISE WHICH I GAVE YOU YESTERDAY IN THE #CUTTHECLUTTER , & ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE MY #FATHEROFINDIANJOURNALISM
6:15 *India's China War* 📗 by Neville Maxwell 7:45 *China's India War* 📕 by Bertil Lintner 11:13 *Choices : Inside the Making of India's Foreign Policy* 📘 by Shivshankar Menon
Here it goes my "conspiratory" mind: seems like 'someone's or 'something' has a privileged view of future events and, in the specific case of India, left lots of 'traps' (If you will) along the way as an impediment to the growth and prosperity of the Country. China won't accept nothing less than the 1959 demarcation line. If India wants its territory back, it will have to fight for it; what implies a far fledged war. War, in the best of the situations, imply destruction and stagnation for years to come! A catch twenty two: if India doesn't fight, it loses its territory in two different ways. In the first way, yielding to the demands of China; or secondly, not yielding and kicking the can down the road for years to come ( like it has been for the last seventy years). If India does fight and win it would be a sour win: the devastation, the cost of war and the acquisition of an almost sterile terrain (in the middle of nowhere) that can't add to the Indian economy as a whole or even contribute to the alleviation of the costs of such war! Never undermine the possibility of such war drag other Indian partners ( Countries) in this insanity apart of a possible secession of the Seven Sisters of the West... It's a lose/lose situation, thus the hesitancy in taking any meaningful position until now!I Just a point of view of an "Indianist"!
Seven Sisters wont secede, Even though insurgency is there in many NE states but secession is not even a remote possibility because Assam has a large Hindu population. And unless Myanmar or Bangladesh try to play spoil sport and want to get itself burnt, China wont be able to mobilize enough support to let insurgents sweep Indian Army. And even in that case it will be a Nuclear war.
@@michaeldelisieux5252 Question is can Chinese fight a War ?? India can take casualties because we have been taking casualties along LOC all the time. But can Chinese afford even few thousand PLA troops dead, that too when they consider themselves Rising Superpower ???
I guess its a long shot but Does it also mean that China is willing to cede the territory between the 1959 claim line and LAC ( 2:00 )and solve the border issue in Ladakh area? If that is the case will India put a counter-argument to accept the Indian control of Arunachal (Mcmohan line) and settle the border issue for the major part?
Yet another informative show by SG. Border problems with Pak n China are the legacies of Pt. Nehru & the Brits. We have to look for a solution. None of great experts like Menon, etc do not suggest solutions. An appreciable solution was given by Lt. General Panag in the Print. India should consider China’s 1959 claim line as LC with few negotiations here n there provided China accepts the MacMohan line in the east. That would be pragmatic rather than claiming to take back AksiChin, which is a day dreaming.
The narrative is very defeatist, Geography and history is 50 % emotional and 50 % pragmatic. WIthout saying it Shekhar Gupta would like to handover Ladakh to China just because they are asking for it. Given a chance China will also want to take over Calcutta and Darljeeling because there is a China town. there and Tea i origin is China
This analysis is subtley biased in favor of the Chinese almost justifying the Chines action,I wonder if this is because Shekhar Gupta is also a Chinese Stooge like his mama Antonio Mino.Say or do anything for money.???
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The map at 1:57 makes no sense to me. The Chinese claim line of 1959 runs beyond the Line of Actual Control from India. Are the Chinese willing to give up some of the territory they are already holding in return for India giving up claims on the rest of Aksai Chin? That means China intends to give up most of Pangong Tso. Too good to be true. This is prolly a mistake on the map!
India --- VS ---- China, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Kashmir, Ladakh, northeastern state, Communist Party of India, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Saipan, Djibouti, Arunachal ,Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, Cambodia, East Timor，Bhutan, Sikkim，North Korea，Cuba, Venezuela，Madagascar, Mauritius,Afghanistan and all Muslim
Thanks Mr Shekhar Gupta for excellent information almost on all the topics. I think if you can publish a shorter version (summarised) in Hindi too millions of viewers would be benefitted. At the moment the amount of work done by you and your team doesn’t match the numbers of viewers. You must reach at least 10M.
I have a cost effective solution for this problem Increase capital expenditure in indian navy Join quad and scrap strategic autonomy and join American camp Give a airbase to Americans close to Chinese territory ( enough to stop them from provocation and can also increase asymmetry between Chinese and indian air assets ) And also indian navy should start joint patrolling the high seas
@@sreekr yes Deployment in ladhak costs crores ( revenue expenditure, with no tangible long term assets except roads ) Increased capital expenditure will have tangible assets such as submarines, destroyers etc
@@james46092 👍🏻 But I don't think ,it will happen in my life time bro , with all russian radar tech , Americans will avoid airbases in india We shouldn't have bought that s400 ,now we are strategically in Russia gambit With single move , russians avoided most high tech weapon sales to india by usa
Maxwell's book is based on the Indian army report on 62 war by Generals Henderson Brooks and Preminder Singh Bhagat the two legendary General officers of the Indian army. This report is till date classified. Maxwell reportedly somehow got details of this report and published most of it as the book India's China War.
@Steven Cher The book India's China War is a must read book on the issue. It does not have Nehru bashing as assumed by many. It shows the historical, cultural and military history of Aksai China and as per that Aksai China was never part of India on all three accounts. This is also reflected in the army's inquiry and that's why it is till date classified.
The best analysis on the dispute. China is not interested in Indian territory. She is interested in trying India down at the border. The cost of mantaining a 50,000 men army in such an inhospitable environment for certainly tie down and constrain India's ability to expand it's navy in the Indian ocean. This will buy the Chinese time to expand it's presence in the Indian ocean
21:32 If this is what the Chinese think the Indian strategic calculation is, what is their incentive for any resolution through the military or diplomatic level talks? They have incentive to keep doing pinprick incursions and not settle any dispute, because it ties down Indian resources from being diverted to the Western border or the Indian Ocean. Does this mean they are saying it makes sense to keep the LAC simmering enough to keep India investing in its defence but not too active that could call for a swift resolution? Basically creating a low intensity long term problem that eats up resources over time?
Thank you for writing in. There is no indication so far on the ground that China wants to disengage, and hence the standoff is set to continue through the winters. -Snehesh A. Philips.
The fact of the matter is that well over 1 million square kilometers of territory between India and China does not belong to either one of them and the inhabitants of those territories were never asked who they want to join. Might is right is the name of the game here.
My understanding is that the Chinese in 1962 advance and capture in general the territory that they Claim and went not further. But withdraw to position before the winter to position they can supply during the winter which because more or less the current LAC. To this day the Chinese still have not given up their original claim so therefore they claim land beyond the LAC. This is and was the position taught in World History Course in the United States.
India --- VS ---- China, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Kashmir, Ladakh, northeastern state, Communist Party of India, Maldives, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Saipan, Djibouti, Arunachal ,Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, Cambodia, East Timor，Bhutan, Sikkim，North Korea，Cuba, Venezuela，Madagascar, Mauritius,Afghanistan and all Muslim
SG says that the entire Chinese side talk in one language, one theme. And here we have quite a few almost supporting the Chinese articulation. Again a few from one paper The Hindu. My observation. Did anyone else notice.
Total agreement . All the Chinese speak in the same language and in India , Communists support China , rest will keep mum and wait for the government to fail so that they can criticize.
‘Aap Ke mu me ghee chakar’ was a classic. I am sure many Indians will relate to it positively. I will agree to what Prof Liu Zongyi said. Since that is the right way to counter China since its not on a moral high ground as everyone is aware on how it treats its neighbors especially the amount hostility it shows towards weaker countries. Especially it’s belt and road project has no intention of fairness to the host countries which are entertaining this Chinese project. So Long live Modi. That’s the way to go with aggressive China. I know from the beginning this was the right game plan from day one when the hostilities started.
SG After watching your various posts on this subject, I Wished journalists supporting India also will post such an intelligent and spirited argument for India as you do for China in a vield manner, irrespective of China's crookedness...
We all understand that the maps shown are not military maps. But it will still be beneficial to explain them (May be using a mouse pointer), which I find Shekhar Gupta ji very reluctant to do. From my own reading on the internet, it seems Chinese claim line of 1959 is east of where the LAC passes today. Is this correct? If yes, then aren’t the Chinese claiming less than what they currently have... id like to understand the topography better but unfortunately I haven’t understood it despite numerous cut the clutter on this topic.
THICK NIB ...Well coined and well said. Borders between nations are drawn by negotiation and give and take. Nehru, though a great man and a nationalist did not sit down with Chinese to draw borders. So, now, we have borders that were drawn by foreigners who had no interest in local needs. The English drawn lines to suit their needs irrespective of local history and needs. Durand line has divided same people so has Punjab and Bengal. India has more Nations than Two. Afghan, Punjabi and Bengali have been what they are now for generations: Muslims, Hindus, Sikh, Christians and Buddhists ... speaking the same language and practising different faiths. I feel more akin to an Urdu / Hindi speaker than to a Sindhi or Bengali ... 'Tis about time Indian Junta become Indian and not the boot licker of the White. An Indian is closer to a Pakistani than to an Englishman ..and that is the FACT ... Kashmir is like Norogno Karabagh ...Let them be free to decide ...Once it is sorted out, there will be no problem and India and Pakistan can be the USA and Canada ...
Wonderful piece I like the long term thinking of the Chinese thinking how India going to dictate n strengthen in India Ocean, foreign policy is indeed very long term
Not a bad analysis regarding India's strategic position on snuffling the Chinese in the Indian Ocean. General Rawat made an emphatic statement at a US Military Academy about the South China Sea in April 2020. That must have riled China as the South China Sea and the Belt and Road as the alternative land route are both under threat. China could be strangled economically. That is the driver for their actions. Unfortunately, India's assertions on Kashmir, including Gilgit Balistan is as critical a threat to the matter. This has brought about a total strategic co-incidence of China-Pakistan relations. The trick for India is to have these interests to be split. That involves India and Pakistan resolving Kashmir. The solution is to grant Kashmir independence and to jointly guarantee its security. That would open up the possibility of the TAPI trade route and resolve India's frustration of access to the Central Asian markets and indeed both countries will trade their way to peace. That is the strategic reorientation required. Both countries have a common historical lettuce in their cultural salad. They do not have the same commonality with China.
If KASHMIR'S instrument of accession to so imp then why don't you accept Junagarh's instrument of accession to Pakistan. There was a plebiscite in Junagarh but not in Kashmir.
Dear SG, the whole problem began with the CCP annexing Tibet and ending with the Dalai Lama and his people fleeing Tibet into India. The current problem has to be seen holistically from that perspective. India needs to negotiate with CCP for the return of Dalai Lama and his people to Tibet as well as the demarcation of the boundary. Only then the boundary issue will get settled permanently once and for all. We should not be taken into the spin given by some of their scholars saying that India wants to needle China and settle with Pakistan, so that we can take on them in Indian Ocean. Please do an episode on this theme.
Himalayas and Tibet should be declared "MOUNTAINS OF PEACE" and made into a demilitarized zone. this would be a step towards world peace as half of humanity lives around and depends upon this region.
India should accept the 1959 line as proposed by the Chinese!! As India got no money or wherewithal or political will or foresight to evict or push the Chinese back !!
China is not that big as a threat considering to what is happening to women in our country.... First see the threat from within ourselves and then talk about threat from invaders... If the country is not safe from our own people than what do u worst can any other do to us...
The intersting I noticed is 1959 ( so called Chinese version) is leaving a huge part which they already control in the valley according to the map the Print is showing ( pause and verify) . So are they losing or winning the territory.? Any diplomatic win or are they also cofused..or are we yet more confused ...can anyone enlighten me ???
The Chinese claim is founded on the principle " A lie repeated hundred times becomes truth." And the Chinese have over the years developed this into a fine art.However, sadly ,for Nehru the principle was " A lie repeated hundred times becomes secular." It was an unequal rece between a master strategist (Mao) and self obsessed , short sighted Nehru. We were bound to lose.
Brits: Here is a line I drew. The area belongs to British Empire. China: I do not agree. It is mine. Even the name is China's White Beach! India: Whatever the Brits claim, it is mine! China: Let's fight for it! India: No, let's have a stare contest. Did I summarize the whole situation accurately?
Sir can we a CTC on Nancy pelosi's threat to pack Supreme court of US,end of filibuster and electoral college? What'll be the consequences if it happens?
It's not in her power Republicans have majority in Senate they can delay hearing but can't change outcome But if Biden wins they can pack Supreme court to end conservative bench in supreme Court.
Excellent coverage by Sri Gupta Garu. It seems clear that China has become paranoid on seeing India becoming stronger , believes that a strong India will pose a threat to the larger Chinese interests of aiming for a rightful place in the world order . The border issue is an outcome of China’s fear .If we view the issue without hype it is logical to apprehend that China would like to see a weaker India and preferably an India divided into bits and pieces which development would serve its larger interests .The ultimate solution would be to stand firm at the boarder , at the same time to engage China diplomatically and convince them that a stronger India is in its own interests and that India don’t have territorial ambitions unlike China but would not like others to interfere in its internal issues.
Tibet declared independence from China under British influence. Yet China crushed the independence. So Tibet did not win the independence war. How could you claim that Tibet "is your neighbor?"
Do you know why China and India have remain at peace for millenniums? That is because there is no boundary needed between these civilizations. The high mountains ARE THE BOUNDRY. It is only when the Brits who came up with this boundary BS that caused these two great civilizations to fight against each other. It is just in a village, people walk free with each other and they tolerate each other's presence. And then there is an evil man came to the village, and started putting fences around the houses of the village so he could claim the area by the fences he put up, and then the whole village starts fighting with each other BECAUSE HEY WHY DID YOU SAY MY FENCE IS NOT GOOD AND YOUR FENCE IS BETTER? You see, the fence brings war, not peace. The fence's only purpose to for the evil man to claim something that is not even his to begin with. But since he makes a fence, some how that becomes a symbol of ownership.
Sir kafi discuss Kar Lia ye issue. Thoda US election bhi samjaiye. Topics like swing states, gerrymandering, supreme court appointment and debates, trump getting covid
It's wise thing to accept the 1959 line of Control because demanding more than this or the entire Aksaichin will cause a unbearable Big War. What will we do with the those desert Icy hills? Instead of fighting for the Aksaichin, we see our Internal problems.
Chinese proposing 1959 claim line proof one thing for sure ,chinese leadership never wanted war before nor does it want it now(it was only for diverting attention for internal strife ) though Galwan incident caught them off-guard neither can they go back nor come forward ,hence the new offer.One brilliant thing Indian leadership and defence establishment have been doing for last couples of week by testing and deploying different strategic weapons one after another is clear signal that we are ready and war may not be limited to border areas with high tech weaponry deployed all over the horizon(as Chinese think tank themselves have been mentioning about the blockade in Indian ocean if there is larger conflict beyond borders areas)that mean they are worried about India's capabilities beyond the immediate borders conflict and want solution for future,hence the 1959 claims line ,but Indian leadership is making mistakes by simply saying no as before, because there is no ambiguity in no , instead India should say ok we will look into it and throw one question to Chinese leadership of it's own if you accept Indian kashmir position and accept pok as indian legimate claim under illegal occupation of Pakistan and relinquish other boundary claims (Chinese will hard pressed to accept these demands)than we can think about accepting 1959 claim line(mind you aksai chin was never in full indian control,a settle border with China will be immensely helpful )but it will difficult for Indian leadership to take strong decission because of past position hence the ambiguity is need of the hour not simple no or yes.
one thing I have observed after watching the print and CTC for a year now....you talk very little about the economy...economy is the most important issue now...china will not do any harm, India has nuclear weapons it will be disastrous for the entire world if they go for war...so focus on the economy, unemployment, and COVID...
By all accounts, India knew about Chinese activity in mid April but then went to Russian intelligence who informed us this is 'routine' activity. Is there any reason why we believed the Russian intelligence so much? I believe this was corroborated by a Chinese writer turned American - I forget the name of the writer unfortunately. Could The Print also help us understand this piece of the puzzle. It is further interesting as India China signed their 5 point statement in Russia not in any other country. So reading between the lines there is more than what meets the eye.
Only permanent address to this problem is to reject the one china policy and Tibet as our neighbour, China as a country to be recognised within the great Wall of China
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Pls improve video narration with animations...
Look at young kids mohak soch and Dhruv rathee.
Vox. etc.
Your video editing and animation don't do justice to your astonishing experiences and anecdotes.
It's very simple move..."20per work
will result in 80 per. Effectivity". Pareto
@@samirthapa6145 www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2003/07/08/commentary/vajpayee-kowtows-to-china/
LOL. You do not even know what your government has recognized.
@Adam Romanov LOL so people in Nagaland are not considered as humans by you guys, I will take note. Also annexation of Tawang from Tibet in 1951 by force is showing brotherhood. Indians are incredible!
@Adam Romanov You can't even tell the difference between Indonesian and Chinese- and declaring a Sulawesi market as in Wuhan, that's really pathetic. And it seems you are proud of your racism. Goodbye and enjoy your illusion.
Samir Thapa Since you wanna know the truth. Let me tell you India annexed Tibetan Tawang in 1951 militarily, but your media will not tell you this. Media are more interested in popularity rather than hard truth.
Chineese 'friendship' have only brought us a lot heartburns in trade, UN seat, Pakistan and so on. Chineese could beat Indians every day in our minds through this 'friendship'. New found 'enimity' has atleast bought an upbeat and confident mood. Let's enjoy the feeling for sometime, and let 'friendship' build on a later date of mutual convenience.
Precisely! The so called friendship has actually been a smoke screen, while CCP China has always subverted Indian interests everywhere including the UN Security Council Perment Seat and to bring Pakistan's combat capabilities as close as possible to India etc. It's not just hot springs and Aksai that are the concerns of CCP, but they consider India itself as one of their chief adversaries that need to be sorted.
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"so so" seems to be a Pakistani agent and 'Kitty Cat" seems to be a CCP Propaganda account. I love to see them insinuated. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Kitty Cat , who said that Americans are not infiltrated with CCP propaganda agent ? Keep spitting out your senseless rhetoric. In grand scheme of things, your chitter-chatter will get engulfed without any random guy like me having to take any special efforts. 😁😆
UN seat wali baat rumour hai
This is the best media-
No biased opinions
Just true facts
Maybe that's what Chinese want. For India to divert its limited military budget away from Navy and Indian Ocean and blue economy.
24:29 "Especially since 2014, India's infrastructure in the border region has developed rapidly."
The claim line is just a claim. The entire Aksai Chin is India's. No arguments on that position.
Careless goi allowed surrounded countries to do ventures and sudden actions these people can not accept. When defense minister says we don't have money to upgrade it shows our capabilities
@Sheik Mamed Bux Isn't the amount less when compared to people's lives.
@Sheik Mamed Bux Not an issue. India has the resources to manage it. Indian defence expenditure will go up. Not sure whether Pakistan can catch up with the higher Indian expenditures.
@Sheik Mamed Bux 270 billion what? Peanuts?
Joking? Do you know what Aksai Chin means in local language - China's white-sand beach for thousands of years! So-called India did not in existence then, the area of India was only one quarter of today.
When china is accusing India about union territory status of ladakh, why cant India blame china of illegal occupation of Tibet ?
Takes balls and power to do such a thing. India's policy towards China is "appeasement". S. Jaishankar, the Indian MEA, believes China can be a strategic partner, he is willing to kiss Beijing's ass and loves singing the song of "Asian century"(as though China will tolerate India's rise).
Panchsheel agreement. Also India helped in occupation.
The Tibetan government in exhile must first decide if Tibet is under illegal occupation. Until then India has to accept China's claim.
@@aadityamurali18 Well, India(Tibet's only trusted neighbour) gifted Tibet away to China in goodwill. India took the case of Kashmir to the U.N while it said Tibet is China's internal matter and has to be solved by those in Beijing. Russia stopped Mongolia from becoming a part of China while India...just gave Tibet away to appease China. Forget the world, India itself doesn't recognise it's neighbour of thousands of years.
Tibet must be freed from the Chinese occupation and slavary.
Historically Ladakh has been part of Tibet and ruled by Tibetan kings. Today india recognises that Tibet is part of China so there is merit in India accepting the Chinese 1959 line as an international border and get over with border disputes and start working for the development of India.
I think it's time to call spade a spade.
A Distinguished Chinese scholar is talking about how Hot Spring areas were used by local Chinese population for healing and then goes on to describe what India has in it's mind. We talk about Chinese pragmatism of proposing a line in 1959 and then only coming to that line in 1962 and withdrawing magnanimously after that. We talk about British power games that drove them to define boundary between India and Tibet, with the Tibetian local administration of that time. The same China which claims the whole of South China Sea, the Same China occupied the Tibet and then try to redefine the boundaries accepted by then local administration, the same China magnanimously gives loans and then defends intelligently the infrastructure where the capital was invested, is now rightly claiming what they have been claiming from decades in India. But then Indian have also been going to Mansarovar for centuries so lets start claiming Mansaoravar. Indian ocean is named after India so lets start claiming it. Many Chinese have been practicing Buddhism so let's start claiming apart from Tibet, part of China was an Indian state. May be in five or six decades some Chinese journalist will be talking same like you Sir, and may describe India's claim with such a sugar coated language with all the intellectual backings of books written and what distinguished Indian professor says in the interviews.
Brits: Here is a line I drew. The area belongs to British Empire.
China: I do not agree. It is mine. Even the name is China's White Beach!
India: Whatever the Brits claim, it is mine!
China: Let's fight for it!
India: No, let's have a stare contest.
Did I summarize the whole situation accurately?
@@jkuang nope, it was tibet :)
@@jkuang What Patil said. Chinese occupation of Tibet is illegal.
@@aconsciousnaut5323 But how do you call Chinese occupation of Tibet is illegal? You called it? UN called it? Tell me exactly you would come to this conclusion that a land is "illegally occupied" how this "illegal occupied land" be legally "un-occupied?" Through what mechanism? How would you carry it out? Do not throw words in Internet and assume that by throwing words that somehow something becomes a reality to your liking.
From Chinese perspective, Tibet is always part of China. It is quite logical: if Tibet was not part of the China, how come Tibet called Beijing the Central Government for so many centuries? And how come Tibet HAD THE NEED to declare independence TWICE with Brits support? Tell me, if a nation is independence, why did it need to declare independence from a foreign entity? It must have a governmental relationship prior to justify such an action right? So the Chinese government, once the Nationalist government (which is now in Taiwan by the way) sent in troop to crush the separation group. And the second time, another Chinese government, the CCP, sent troop to crush the second separation group. Neither government accept the independence. In another word, Tibet was never an independent country FOR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO INVADE AND OCCUPY.
So what is your "legical explanation" that Tibet was "illegally" occupied by China? Don't throw words. Use facts.
@@saketpatil1306 Tibet is a name of a region in China. Tibet called Beijing the central government. It tried to declare independence twice with Brits support. But both times got crushed by troops sent from central government. If you can not come up with official document that Chinese agreed to Tibet going independence, then your insistence that Tibet is Tibet is no different than you declare your house independent and will not pay tax. IRS will arrest you and you can keep insisting that you are independent in the jail for as long as you want. LOL :)
never surrender. .Indian push back is what the world needs to see and support. .Fighting a bully .giving him a bloody nose every time
Good Evening sir... Happy to see u on so crucial topic I was waiting, 😌
A true Brahmins! So knowledgeable! Although your points may not be agreed. Who ignited so strong nationalism among low castes in India? Look at the comments below, really desperate to expect a rational India.
BRO is India's pride.
If Chinese wish to go back 60 odd years and revert to 1959 status, India must go 10 additional years to 1949 status when Tibet was independent.
The real solution lies in making India economically strong. And that's possible only if we let private companies grow our wealth without Govt. hinderance. Of course Govt. will need to make sure no one breaks the law. Govt. has no business to be in any business. Govt. should not run airplane, mills, Trains, bus, telephone, oil, banks etc. Look how private companies made India #1 in software and Pharma. We wasted 66 years trying the public sector way, lets try the private way now.
@Ather because usa militarily and economically strong is thousands of miles away and Japan which is next door to china is only economically strong. India being both militarily and economically strong will be a force to reckon
Pigs may fly before this happens. The government officers derive their pleasure from holding up stuff and making others bow down. They are proud to say even Ambani has to agree to us
@Ather That suggestion to compromise with China came from Pakistan. Perhaps, it originated in China itself. I am not telling you are either a Pakistani or a Chinese. During 2nd world war, many people said the same thing about Hitler. "Compromise with Hitler, He is way too strong".
Economy can only do so much. After that it's the audacity of the soldiers. Why do you think China is hesitant in taking back the heights which India captured a month back. As long as India has the audacity to stand up to China, they will not be at rest. Dhoklam was the turning point.
@@abhinavmathur5648 I understand the challenge posed by Govt. officers.
@Ather You have brought some good points. Somehow we always seem to blame USA for our situation. You also think like the Chinese that only reason we are standing up to China is because of USA. That's wrong. We are standing up to China because China does not believe in compromise. Compromise is a two way street. China's border with India is ever changing. It changes with time. We bought a lot of arms from USA. But India expects a lot from USA just because we are both democracies. Nehru even asked Kennedy for a fleet with pilots. He was a socialist but did not hesitate to ask for help from USA. Anyway, this is the first time in history of India, Indians are standing up to China. Yes India should compromise from a position of strength.
Hope the Indian National Congress party will not toe the Nehruvian Line " No grass grows there"
Do you even know in detail what happened in 1962
That was shameful, just imagine how the ladkhis feel
@@kashmani8029 It took at least a year to built a road there. That means India did not even patrol the area.
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@@sosoable
welcome idiot
Thank you Shekhar ji, that you provided information what was the claim line of 1959 as claimed by China. Thank you for considering my comment from your previous clutter. And I thank you for decluttering and telling us the history behind this
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China's view of India's strategy is more eloberate then it really is.
Dear Mr Gupta it's a pleasure following #CutTheClutter regularly. Hope you are doing well now. Please continue this series as long as possible. Regards.
Hi Abinash. Thank you for following Cut The Clutter. We plan to continue the series for a long, long time!
Shekhar Ji, The amount of respect that you command in the world of journalism, you still are vulnerable , like most Indian, is calling McMahon line as McMohan. It is actually MaaaacMohan & not Mohan, which is the typical Indian psyche as Mohan pyare is omnipresent in Indian household. Hare Krishna.
So next time , you can note it.
Imagine if the boundary has been defined in Nehru and Mao era. China and India might be the most powerful alliance on this planet for centuries to come. But oh well, that little tiny line drawn by the Brits caused two great civilizations to fight against each other for millenniums to come. Well done, Great Britain!
Yesterday I requested to Gupta ji on 1959 claim line. Now he delivered it with crystal clear decluttering.
Was waiting for this video... Thenks
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Mentioning Noorani and his biased antihindu and anti India BS is so typically SG
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@@sosoable and yet India will win😂
@Joseph Li lmao, as if half the world is going to come and fight against India. Stupid commentators can understand only such replies
@Joseph Li seems the commentator is a 2 year old child who has just started learning name of places and his mind has filled with hate by his parents
@Joseph Li why don't you practice what you preach. You could have easily disliked my comment and moved on. But, instead, you unnecessarily indulged into argument over a facile matter.
British Empire: I draw a line on the map and I claim this area.
China: I do not agree.
India: Whatever British Empire claimed, I claim.
China: Let's fight for it.
India: No. Let's have a stare contest.
Did I summarize the situation accurately? :)
Thank you sh Seker Gupta
for an excellent briefing on Indo China border dispute
Please do another CTC on Hathras case. A lot of clutter has happened since you spoke last time. So many narratives like rape, no rape , honour killing and also, violation of rules, denial of rights, and the drama of politics.
It's so shameful that this happens in our country :(
Rape or no rape, they burnt the body at midnight. They have lost the credibility to be trusted.
@@varunkhugshal9049 It's just sad. Entire system is messed up
I think he did one. Check yesterday's episode. Or one before that.
@Kaushal Batavia you may not think this is a caste based crime. But, those see it as caste based crime have not committed any crime, not breached any law, then why should they be put in jail?
@@ayushdubey8878 yes, he did. But, a lot has happened after he spoke. That's why said 'another'
Seem SG has no career choice other than becoming neighbour’s spoke person. More than 80% of talk is about Chinese prospects, references and books that support it. He is smartly says he does not support their view but repeatedly emphasis their line of control.
We never adventures in capturing other territory or taking a forefront in aggressing other’s area. What does SG want to say, we have capture China’s land because our poor neighbour could not defend their territory for having a geographical disadvantage. They are so generous that they let India come to their border. Sorry, we all know Chinese nature and though process; they are opposite in nature. Remember, from the beginning of Independence, India has philosophy we don’t invade and we don’t have an enemy. Though, it is proved wrong by them.
Guys, better to be careful and more importantly thoughtful about their strategy in winning the war. Now a day, they know that no need bloodshed to win a war. Better fund this spoke person, news channel, and social media to wash your mind first and rest will follow. Read and watch information, which are available in online sources; but, absorb it only after necessary filtration and processing that information in your mind. Again, we need to be careful at the present time.
Exactly
@B-2 bomber Brother, be relevant to the topic. Discussing about Mr. SM’s barking and aggression of China only
Who are these people buildings roads at night?
Please send them to Bengaluru 🙏🏻
I really enjoyed this piece, very informative,
The problem is on Indo Tibet boarder not on Chinese India boarder.All the Chinese talk is after thoughts.The statements by scholar is quite clear
One of his finest. I am thank Shekhar Ji for enlightening millennials with strategic thinking going ahead. One request. Can you cover how Chinese have behaved in various conflicts including 1967 and stand offs in the past? And, how successful India has been in preventing those efforts by Chinese? A summary would be a big help as China marches ahead.
SEKHAR SIR , ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU FOR KEEPING MY PROMISE WHICH I GAVE YOU YESTERDAY IN THE #CUTTHECLUTTER , & ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE MY #FATHEROFINDIANJOURNALISM
Thanks Shekhar for a wonderful and well articulated analysis.
SG-after so many episodes on India-China, this episode gives a hint on the prime question-'why are they doing this?' Thanks for your insights
6:15 *India's China War* 📗 by Neville Maxwell
7:45 *China's India War* 📕 by Bertil Lintner
11:13 *Choices : Inside the Making of India's Foreign Policy* 📘 by Shivshankar Menon
Here it goes my "conspiratory" mind: seems like 'someone's or 'something' has a privileged view of future events and, in the specific case of India, left lots of 'traps' (If you will) along the way as an impediment to the growth and prosperity of the Country.
China won't accept nothing less than the 1959 demarcation line. If India wants its territory back, it will have to fight for it; what implies a far fledged war.
War, in the best of the situations, imply destruction and stagnation for years to come!
A catch twenty two: if India doesn't fight, it loses its territory in two different ways. In the first way, yielding to the demands of China; or secondly, not yielding and kicking the can down the road for years to come ( like it has been for the last seventy years).
If India does fight and win it would be a sour win: the devastation, the cost of war and the acquisition of an almost sterile terrain (in the middle of nowhere) that can't add to the Indian economy as a whole or even contribute to the alleviation of the costs of such war! Never undermine the possibility of such war drag other Indian partners ( Countries) in this insanity apart of a possible secession of the Seven Sisters of the West...
It's a lose/lose situation, thus the hesitancy in taking any meaningful position until now!I
Just a point of view of an "Indianist"!
Seven Sisters wont secede,
Even though insurgency is there in many NE states but secession is not even a remote possibility because Assam has a large Hindu population.
And unless Myanmar or Bangladesh try to play spoil sport and want to get itself burnt, China wont be able to mobilize enough support to let insurgents sweep Indian Army.
And even in that case it will be a Nuclear war.
@Patriotic Indian To be seen...
@Bubbah 1 This would be: keeping the status quo. ( Option 2 in the case explained above: " if India doesn't fight a war").
@@michaeldelisieux5252 Question is can Chinese fight a War ?? India can take casualties because we have been taking casualties along LOC all the time.
But can Chinese afford even few thousand PLA troops dead, that too when they consider themselves Rising Superpower ???
@Patriotic Indian To be seen.
I guess its a long shot but Does it also mean that China is willing to cede the territory between the 1959 claim line and LAC ( 2:00 )and solve the border issue in Ladakh area? If that is the case will India put a counter-argument to accept the Indian control of Arunachal (Mcmohan line) and settle the border issue for the major part?
As good an analysis as can be ! Hats off Shekhar !
Shekhar ji, Dhanyawad. Thankyou very much. Danke sehr.
Yet another informative show by SG. Border problems with Pak n China are the legacies of Pt. Nehru & the Brits. We have to look for a solution. None of great experts like Menon, etc do not suggest solutions. An appreciable solution was given by Lt. General Panag in the Print. India should consider China’s 1959 claim line as LC with few negotiations here n there provided China accepts the MacMohan line in the east.
That would be pragmatic rather than claiming to take back AksiChin, which is a day dreaming.
Great informative,knowledgeable, discussion sir👍
The narrative is very defeatist, Geography and history is 50 % emotional and 50 % pragmatic. WIthout saying it Shekhar Gupta would like to handover Ladakh to China just because they are asking for it. Given a chance China will also want to take over Calcutta and Darljeeling because there is a China town. there and Tea i origin is China
Ladakh is an international disputed territory.
So after 1959 claim line, they went war in 1962. Even after winning war they are not satisfied. Now this shows who is aggressors here.
This analysis is subtley biased in favor of the Chinese almost justifying the Chines action,I wonder if this is because Shekhar Gupta is also a Chinese Stooge like his mama Antonio Mino.Say or do anything for money.???
Shekhar Sir, You're late again......I was eagerly waiting for CTC on ladakh ... ✌🏻✌🏻
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@Nikhil Prem free Manipur , free farmer
The map at 1:57 makes no sense to me. The Chinese claim line of 1959 runs beyond the Line of Actual Control from India. Are the Chinese willing to give up some of the territory they are already holding in return for India giving up claims on the rest of Aksai Chin? That means China intends to give up most of Pangong Tso. Too good to be true. This is prolly a mistake on the map!
I don't get it as according to map shown, the 1959 line would mean Chinese would have to go back as they have occupied more than that in 1962
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Thanks Mr Shekhar Gupta for excellent information almost on all the topics. I think if you can publish a shorter version (summarised) in Hindi too millions of viewers would be benefitted. At the moment the amount of work done by you and your team doesn’t match the numbers of viewers. You must reach at least 10M.
Dear Dr. Dalpat. Thank you for writing in. We are working on what you have suggested. Meanwhile, thank you for your tremendous support.
@@ThePrintIndia provide bilingual subtitles
Thanks Shekhar sir, its great to know the facts
I have a cost effective solution for this problem
Increase capital expenditure in indian navy
Join quad and scrap strategic autonomy and join American camp
Give a airbase to Americans close to Chinese territory ( enough to stop them from provocation and can also increase asymmetry between Chinese and indian air assets )
And also indian navy should start joint patrolling the high seas
You said my mind out brother
cost effective solution = Increase capital expenditure in indian navy ?
@@sreekr yes
Deployment in ladhak costs crores ( revenue expenditure, with no tangible long term assets except roads )
Increased capital expenditure will have tangible assets such as submarines, destroyers etc
@@james46092
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But I don't think ,it will happen in my life time bro , with all russian radar tech , Americans will avoid airbases in india
We shouldn't have bought that s400 ,now we are strategically in Russia gambit
With single move , russians avoided most high tech weapon sales to india by usa
Peace comes not from the absence of conflict, but from the ability to cope with it.
Maxwell's book is based on the Indian army report on 62 war by Generals Henderson Brooks and Preminder Singh Bhagat the two legendary General officers of the Indian army. This report is till date classified. Maxwell reportedly somehow got details of this report and published most of it as the book India's China War.
@Steven Cher Report is classified despite BJP being in power for six years now. It is a military analysis not a political agenda.
@Steven Cher The book India's China War is a must read book on the issue. It does not have Nehru bashing as assumed by many. It shows the historical, cultural and military history of Aksai China and as per that Aksai China was never part of India on all three accounts.
This is also reflected in the army's inquiry and that's why it is till date classified.
The best analysis on the dispute. China is not interested in Indian territory. She is interested in trying India down at the border. The cost of mantaining a 50,000 men army in such an inhospitable environment for certainly tie down and constrain India's ability to expand it's navy in the Indian ocean. This will buy the Chinese time to expand it's presence in the Indian ocean
21:32 If this is what the Chinese think the Indian strategic calculation is, what is their incentive for any resolution through the military or diplomatic level talks? They have incentive to keep doing pinprick incursions and not settle any dispute, because it ties down Indian resources from being diverted to the Western border or the Indian Ocean. Does this mean they are saying it makes sense to keep the LAC simmering enough to keep India investing in its defence but not too active that could call for a swift resolution? Basically creating a low intensity long term problem that eats up resources over time?
Thank you for writing in. There is no indication so far on the ground that China wants to disengage, and hence the standoff is set to continue through the winters. -Snehesh A. Philips.
The fact of the matter is that well over 1 million square kilometers of territory between India and China does not belong to either one of them and the inhabitants of those territories were never asked who they want to join. Might is right is the name of the game here.
My understanding is that the Chinese in 1962 advance and capture in general the territory that they Claim and went not further. But withdraw to position before the winter to position they can supply during the winter which because more or less the current LAC. To this day the Chinese still have not given up their original claim so therefore they claim land beyond the LAC. This is and was the position taught in World History Course in the United States.
Thank you, Sekhar, for an interesting and informative view of the Ladakh situation.
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SG says that the entire Chinese side talk in one language, one theme. And here we have quite a few almost supporting the Chinese articulation. Again a few from one paper The Hindu. My observation. Did anyone else notice.
Total agreement . All the Chinese speak in the same language and in India , Communists support China , rest will keep mum and wait for the government to fail so that they can criticize.
The Hindu is chennai edition
Of Global times China loud speak
‘Aap Ke mu me ghee chakar’ was a classic. I am sure many Indians will relate to it positively. I will agree to what Prof Liu Zongyi said. Since that is the right way to counter China since its not on a moral high ground as everyone is aware on how it treats its neighbors especially the amount hostility it shows towards weaker countries. Especially it’s belt and road project has no intention of fairness to the host countries which are entertaining this Chinese project. So Long live Modi. That’s the way to go with aggressive China. I know from the beginning this was the right game plan from day one when the hostilities started.
Excellent analysis. You 🙏🌹👌.
Thanku Shekar Gupta for making us Indians believe that we are the bad guys here. Beautifully raised chinese propaganda
SG
After watching your various posts on this subject, I Wished journalists supporting India also will post such an intelligent and spirited argument for India as you do for China in a vield manner, irrespective of China's crookedness...
We all understand that the maps shown are not military maps. But it will still be beneficial to explain them (May be using a mouse pointer), which I find Shekhar Gupta ji very reluctant to do. From my own reading on the internet, it seems Chinese claim line of 1959 is east of where the LAC passes today. Is this correct? If yes, then aren’t the Chinese claiming less than what they currently have... id like to understand the topography better but unfortunately I haven’t understood it despite numerous cut the clutter on this topic.
So basically, we are asking China to give up claim on Arunachal Pradesh in exchange of we give up claim on Aksai Chin?
I think China believes in the policy of "Jiski Lathi, Uski Bhais" or "might is right"
I think NGOs do not know about road construction in Kashmir...if they knew 2kms would take 20 years
Quite educative. Thanks
Great analysis 👌
THICK NIB ...Well coined and well said.
Borders between nations are drawn by negotiation and give and take. Nehru, though a great man and a nationalist did not sit down with Chinese to draw borders. So, now, we have borders that were drawn by foreigners who had no interest in local needs. The English drawn lines to suit their needs irrespective of local history and needs. Durand line has divided same people so has Punjab and Bengal. India has more Nations than Two. Afghan, Punjabi and Bengali have been what they are now for generations: Muslims, Hindus, Sikh, Christians and Buddhists ... speaking the same language and practising different faiths. I feel more akin to an Urdu / Hindi speaker than to a Sindhi or Bengali ... 'Tis about time Indian Junta become Indian and not the boot licker of the White. An Indian is closer to a Pakistani than to an Englishman ..and that is the FACT ... Kashmir is like Norogno Karabagh ...Let them be free to decide ...Once it is sorted out, there will be no problem and India and Pakistan can be the USA and Canada ...
Thanks for this session Prof. This was much needed.
Wonderful piece I like the long term thinking of the Chinese thinking how India going to dictate n strengthen in India Ocean, foreign policy is indeed very long term
I appreciate it's good journalisam 🙏
Tibet is a separate country illegally occupied by China.
Not a bad analysis regarding India's strategic position on snuffling the Chinese in the Indian Ocean. General Rawat made an emphatic statement at a US Military Academy about the South China Sea in April 2020. That must have riled China as the South China Sea and the Belt and Road as the alternative land route are both under threat. China could be strangled economically. That is the driver for their actions. Unfortunately, India's assertions on Kashmir, including Gilgit Balistan is as critical a threat to the matter. This has brought about a total strategic co-incidence of China-Pakistan relations. The trick for India is to have these interests to be split. That involves India and Pakistan resolving Kashmir. The solution is to grant Kashmir independence and to jointly guarantee its security. That would open up the possibility of the TAPI trade route and resolve India's frustration of access to the Central Asian markets and indeed both countries will trade their way to peace. That is the strategic reorientation required. Both countries have a common historical lettuce in their cultural salad. They do not have the same commonality with China.
If KASHMIR'S instrument of accession to so imp then why don't you accept Junagarh's instrument of accession to Pakistan. There was a plebiscite in Junagarh but not in Kashmir.
Dear SG, the whole problem began with the CCP annexing Tibet and ending with the Dalai Lama and his people fleeing Tibet into India. The current problem has to be seen holistically from that perspective. India needs to negotiate with CCP for the return of Dalai Lama and his people to Tibet as well as the demarcation of the boundary. Only then the boundary issue will get settled permanently once and for all. We should not be taken into the spin given by some of their scholars saying that India wants to needle China and settle with Pakistan, so that we can take on them in Indian Ocean. Please do an episode on this theme.
Himalayas and Tibet should be declared "MOUNTAINS OF PEACE" and made into a demilitarized zone. this would be a step towards world peace as half of humanity lives around and depends upon this region.
India should accept the 1959 line as proposed by the Chinese!! As India got no money or wherewithal or political will or foresight to evict or push the Chinese back !!
China is not the threat anymore... We have much more to do to save our women and ourselves.. #hathras
China is not that big as a threat considering to what is happening to women in our country.... First see the threat from within ourselves and then talk about threat from invaders... If the country is not safe from our own people than what do u worst can any other do to us...
The intersting I noticed is 1959 ( so called Chinese version) is leaving a huge part which they already control in the valley according to the map the Print is showing ( pause and verify) . So are they losing or winning the territory.? Any diplomatic win or are they also cofused..or are we yet more confused ...can anyone enlighten me ???
i didnt understand either
The Chinese claim is founded on the principle " A lie repeated hundred times becomes truth." And the Chinese have over the years developed this into a fine art.However, sadly ,for Nehru the principle was " A lie repeated hundred times becomes secular." It was an unequal rece between a master strategist (Mao) and self obsessed , short sighted Nehru. We were bound to lose.
Please reserve Sunday's for your personal stories while covering the world!!
Ha ha Abhishek. Do tune in!
Brits: Here is a line I drew. The area belongs to British Empire.
China: I do not agree. It is mine. Even the name is China's White Beach!
India: Whatever the Brits claim, it is mine!
China: Let's fight for it!
India: No, let's have a stare contest.
Did I summarize the whole situation accurately?
Kailash Mansarovar is ours.. India's as simple as that and we must take it one day .....its home to our supreme God Shiva.
Sir can we a CTC on Nancy pelosi's threat to pack Supreme court of US,end of filibuster and electoral college?
What'll be the consequences if it happens?
She will do none of it. If she was serious, she would have stopped present nomination
It's not in her power Republicans have majority in Senate they can delay hearing but can't change outcome
But if Biden wins they can pack Supreme court to end conservative bench in supreme Court.
Excellent coverage by Sri Gupta Garu. It seems clear that China has become paranoid on seeing India becoming stronger , believes that a strong India will pose a threat to the larger Chinese interests of aiming for a rightful place in the world order . The border issue is an outcome of China’s fear .If we view the issue without hype it is logical to apprehend that China would like to see a weaker India and preferably an India divided into bits and pieces which development would serve its larger interests .The ultimate solution would be to stand firm at the boarder , at the same time to engage China diplomatically and convince them that a stronger India is in its own interests and that India don’t have territorial ambitions unlike China but would not like others to interfere in its internal issues.
I was searching wrongly " national interest", they I realized it's Friday..😂😂😂
Brilliant explanation professor 🙏
Forget Chinese 1959 claimline and concentrate on the 1949 line when Tibet and not china was our neighbor
Tibet declared independence from China under British influence. Yet China crushed the independence. So Tibet did not win the independence war. How could you claim that Tibet "is your neighbor?"
Official #Chinese agent.
Same on you.
Do you know why China and India have remain at peace for millenniums? That is because there is no boundary needed between these civilizations. The high mountains ARE THE BOUNDRY. It is only when the Brits who came up with this boundary BS that caused these two great civilizations to fight against each other. It is just in a village, people walk free with each other and they tolerate each other's presence. And then there is an evil man came to the village, and started putting fences around the houses of the village so he could claim the area by the fences he put up, and then the whole village starts fighting with each other BECAUSE HEY WHY DID YOU SAY MY FENCE IS NOT GOOD AND YOUR FENCE IS BETTER?
You see, the fence brings war, not peace. The fence's only purpose to for the evil man to claim something that is not even his to begin with. But since he makes a fence, some how that becomes a symbol of ownership.
Sir kafi discuss Kar Lia ye issue. Thoda US election bhi samjaiye. Topics like swing states, gerrymandering, supreme court appointment and debates, trump getting covid
It's wise thing to accept the 1959 line of Control because demanding more than this or the entire Aksaichin will cause a unbearable Big War. What will we do with the those desert Icy hills? Instead of fighting for the Aksaichin, we see our Internal problems.
Chinese proposing 1959 claim line proof one thing for sure ,chinese leadership never wanted war before nor does it want it now(it was only for diverting attention for internal strife ) though Galwan incident caught them off-guard neither can they go back nor come forward ,hence the new offer.One brilliant thing Indian leadership and defence establishment have been doing for last couples of week by testing and deploying different strategic weapons one after another is clear signal that we are ready and war may not be limited to border areas with high tech weaponry deployed all over the horizon(as Chinese think tank themselves have been mentioning about the blockade in Indian ocean if there is larger conflict beyond borders areas)that mean they are worried about India's capabilities beyond the immediate borders conflict and want solution for future,hence the 1959 claims line ,but Indian leadership is making mistakes by simply saying no as before, because there is no ambiguity in no , instead India should say ok we will look into it and throw one question to Chinese leadership of it's own if you accept Indian kashmir position and accept pok as indian legimate claim under illegal occupation of Pakistan and relinquish other boundary claims (Chinese will hard pressed to accept these demands)than we can think about accepting 1959 claim line(mind you aksai chin was never in full indian control,a settle border with China will be immensely helpful )but it will difficult for Indian leadership to take strong decission because of past position hence the ambiguity is need of the hour not simple no or yes.
there is some issue with camera focus in last few videos.. please fix it.
Ending was classic. 😂
one thing I have observed after watching the print and CTC for a year now....you talk very little about the economy...economy is the most important issue now...china will not do any harm, India has nuclear weapons it will be disastrous for the entire world if they go for war...so focus on the economy, unemployment, and COVID...
By all accounts, India knew about Chinese activity in mid April but then went to Russian intelligence who informed us this is 'routine' activity. Is there any reason why we believed the Russian intelligence so much? I believe this was corroborated by a Chinese writer turned American - I forget the name of the writer unfortunately. Could The Print also help us understand this piece of the puzzle. It is further interesting as India China signed their 5 point statement in Russia not in any other country. So reading between the lines there is more than what meets the eye.
Only permanent address to this problem is to reject the one china policy and Tibet as our neighbour, China as a country to be recognised within the great Wall of China