Will Luka Ever Win a Title? | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Rob Mahoney to discuss whether or not this was the Mavs' one big chance at winning a championship.
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Everyone always assumes teams will make it back to the finals. The West is too competitive to just assume.
That's true. But the Mavs did this all in 5 months. Safe to assume an offseason together will do wonders for this team
@@MG-yj6lo You're assuming that the other top teams will remain stagnant. Thunder, Wolves, Nuggets all have moves they can make to get better. Suns, Pelican, Spurs, Lakers, Clippers are outliers that make getting a good seeding, which played a major role in the playoffs, a little bit harder. There is also no guarantee that Luka/Kyrie are going to be healthy. Not marking the Mavs down for a repeat to the WCF, let alone the finals.
That is the issue. The issue isn’t as much about Luka and more about the pieces around him.
@@Jerm408502I bet you never had the Mavs making it that far in the first place so who gives a shit if you want to be wrong again.
@@williamroper5422 Sick burn!!
Talking about Luka joining a list of great players to never win a championship when he's only 25 years old is wild.
I think it's because the west is so stacked tbh not because Luka can't win
Not wild considering how hard it is to actually win just one single championship
Jokic might not even make the finals again
You clearly missed the point.
@@Obiamajoyisrmddid I though? Bill himself even said "this is now a Get Up segment" he even knows how ridiculous it is.
@@AdamRaia you’ve confirmed you missed the point. The get up segment was not in reference to the list that you brought up.
The point was that if we look at the best players who retired and never won a ring historically, Luka is better than all of those guys and thus he should NOT be on the list, because he is more likely to succeed than any of those guys. The convo wasn’t about him joining the list.
Pay attention and be less emotional.
Luka is 25 not 35year old
Dan Marino.
Doesnt matter if hes 25 or 15 if he doesn't have the right pieces and coaching around him he aint the guy ro single handedly bring a team to the finals
I think he probably means with Dallas, it’s very reminiscent of lebrons 1st stint in Cleveland
Tatum was 26 and The narrative around him was that he had been trying forever and failing. This is just how the media does s*** now
@@hugh-jasoleI think the more pressing question is will he ever win a title with Dallas. He's young enough that I still feel pretty confident and he'll get a ring at some point, but I'm not convinced that Dallas has the resources to come out of the West again. It's not impossible but it's going to be hard because I'm just struggling to think of a great way for them to improve.
Predicting someone's abilities to win championships is so out of their hands. There's so many moving parts that go into a championship.
That being said Luka needs to recover those knees and either lose some weight or have a body recomposition to elevate his chances of what he can control.
so he needs to be less white?
This is like a hot take conversation like something Skip would argue
Luka need to lose 15lbs, take training seriously
Crazy to watch his old videos in Europe before his rookie year. So much thinner.
@@reedrhcause he’s like 18
And stop whining to the refs and distracting his team by taking whole possessions off..
No wonder Luka has no vertical
@@PaddyBL Jokic has no vertical either, but he got better conditioned and it showed in his game. Luka is going to be hunted on D as long as he is a matador.
I came here to comment that this segment is actually ridiculous. Luka is 25 and is coming into his prime just now. What a ridiculous conversation to have. Might as well have the same conversation for Anthony Edwards 🙈
What's ridiculous is your comment. It's a podcast and a topic that is thought-provoking. Nothing in the segment was anti-Luka or negative towards Luka. It's fun to pretend look into the future and blurt out what you see rather than just living in the moment and talking about only what has already happened. This is meant for fun, not life or death talk.
@@Chalk89 might as well start talking about whether or not Cooper Flagg will ever win a title… Players win titles when GM’s construct great teams. Thinking about Luka ever winning a title at 25 is outlandish. He will have 3 different roster constructions around him at minimum moving forward and who knows what that looks like. This isn’t a 1v1 league. Rosters play rosters. Luka won’t win with the current roster but that’s why the topic is awful. They are using Luka as the centerpiece of a discussion around Mavs management. Get the right pieces and the Mavs will win. Luka brings that much value. You just need more value around him. Not all players are expected to win in Jokic fashion carrying non all stars. That’s just extra impressive.
@@chach1288 that's the problem, the Mavs made their moves and leveraged their future to try and win now. There options going forward are limited. Dallas has never been a big draw for free agents. On top of all that you need a very specific type of player to come in and play second fiddle to Luka.
@@chach1288yeah, I think the point of the segment is that Dallas had limited moves in the near future. And they all agreed he’ll probably win one at some point. Luka is obviously great enough to win multiple championships, it’s just a matter of what teams he’ll get to play on as you pointed out
But the wolves are actually good?
The team was together for 5 months and went to the finals? Wtf?
Riiiight and they're talking about the future.
They also could've lost to any of the team in the first 3 rounds so luck and momentum fell to their favor
They got by OKC who's already improved by acquiring Caruso. They didn't play Denver. Minnesota is a threat. They're simply talking about what's next. It's a sports channel. If you're going to talk about the Mavs what else should they talk about?
@@MrOctober44 OKC never had a chance in that series. Luka was at 70%. Mavs will beat them again.
@@MrOctober44 Maybe the Mavs having a season together might help a tad with their team chemistry? And their badass rookie center won't be, ya know, a rookie?
He is 25, is not even a question yet. He will get better.
Luka’s injuries were magnified against the Thunder and Celtics but nonexistent against the Wolves
That's more due to Shooting Luck I think. Luka couldn't get to the rim so he relied on his jumper alot. Against the Wolves the jumper was just falling against the Celtics and the Thunder, his jumpshot was inconsistent. Plus Celtics could attack him on defense too.
"Non-existent"....just because he played well does not mean he wasn't playing hurt.
@gabriel-uc1uz the media only talked about Luka's injuries when he was getting cooked on defense. It skipped the Minnesota series because they got to hide him on Rudy
There was 0 talk of his injuries during the wolves series and non stop talk about it during the finals. That is absolutely a fact.
@@gabriel-uc1uz a lot of players were playing hurt and I guarantee Luka wasn’t the only player to receive shots for the pain. The amount of coverage on his injuries though, it must have been a miracle that he was out there and able to score as much as he did while other “injured” players like Kawhi and Kristaps couldn’t even suit up for a full series. He was so injured in fact, he was only able to be aggressive on offense while needing to rest on defense.
Luka is way too good not to be back in the finals down the line.
😂 sure buddy
@@PaddyBLWhy do you not see it? He made two WCF in 3 years and definitely has a decent shot at another finals run within the next 5 years.
He's great but it's ridiculous to expect him to do it by himself
Basketball's a team sport. In order for him to reach the finals again, his teammates need to play well too.
@@NoahLinden if we’re talking about Luka .. then essentially we’re talking about the mavericks
The Mavs will definitely be in contention for a title for the next 3+ years IMO. Contrary to what Bill thinks, they do have some draft assets, tradeable contracts, and more importantly some young prospects to consolidate for a trade for a good wing shooter. Can't say they are available but a Trey Murphy/Cam Johnson type of wing is what they should target.
If Lively can develop that corner 3 ball to space the floor, and if they stick with Hardy (who played great vs Minnesota) to become the backup G / 6th man off the bench, and add a wing shooter, they'll be back. Also when/if Luka gets his body and defensive mindset to be full time instead of a game to game thing, they'll win it all. I think Kyrie's game will age gracefully in the next 2-4 years.
I don't know. I mean you have to keep Kyrie playing at that amazing level. But he's getting older too. They really need another depth scoring piece/wing. And they need to make sure Kyrie doesn't go off the rails at any point, or doesn't get injured et. . It's not impossible that Dallas could win the title with this core, but I don't think it's likely.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Yeah I get what you're saying. I think with Kyrie they've got a 3 season window to do something. I do think they'll trade for a shooting wing without giving up their top 6-7 in the playoff rotation. After that, if Lively or Hardy can make that leap, I think they are in contention. Contention is subjective but to me that would be like you're a top 3 seed in the conference and can drop a roster vs the best of the best and win at least 2 games in a series. How the actual matchups/injuries/rosters all change come playoff time in the West, we'll just have to see.
Lol as a Nets fan, I don’t know that you want Cam Johnson’s contract. But I’m willing to listen.
As a Mavs fan I’ve avoided listening to BS during the series but holy hell is it refreshing to have someone actually acknowledge Luka was hurt than give the lazy take about effort on defense
Luka went from best player in the world to past his prime has-been in two weeks time.
At least bill is really humble after one of his teams wins a title
lol
Celtics fans have been hearing nonstop chirps since 2008. Fuck being humble. Gonna be an ignorant summer!
@@Fent- all it took was another super team to win it
@@chopin1975-tq3gxdon’t forget a injury riddled east🤣
I mean when you lose 3 games in the playoffs there’s no reason to be humble
Luka led the playoffs in points assists and rebounds. Gafford led in blocks.
Both of them are 25 as is PJ Washington. Lively is 20. All of them are going to get better. Derek Jones Junior is 27 I believe. This entire team will be better next year and more experienced.
Why is Bill on and on for the last 4 months saying the Mavs are all in and have no assets?
They have two first round picks they can trade outright. They might still be able to trade the two picks that have swap rights attached (not sure on this one). They have 4 seconds. Also a bunch of good players 25 and under with reasonable contracts.
Not saying this means they will win a ring in the immediate future, but this "they have no assets" angle is simply not true
Team has been together for half a season, going into training camp together next year. Kyrie at 32 is the senior vet on that team. Luka, Lively, PJ, Gafford, Green, Hardy all 25 or under. Resign Exum, DJJ, get rid of THJ, Powell, Maxi maybe sign another price. Watch out for this team next year.
You are delusional if you think Kyrie can offer stable veteran leadership. He is a talent but not a leader and he will not be able to behave himself for 2 full years.
why are Bill's video titles getting more clickbaity
It’s still great content, just let him grow his audience lol
Because they're clips not the full podcast.. and they're discussing the topic in the title
Not even really clickbait but who cares, you were probably going to watch anyway but not everyone is, you can’t just have subscribers watch the videos
I mean they directly address the question posed in the title
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I’ve always said when you look at the difference between the era’s styles of play, Luka has always been very similar to Melo. When you hear KD talk about guarding young Melo who could bully you but you couldn’t get physical with him or he’d draw the foul and make the FT’s, who played at his own pace being able to score from everywhere inside out, ducking you in the post, hitting iso elbow and 1-2 dribble pull-ups, and the deep ball. That’s Luka when you add playmaker as a passer.
Nothing from Luka can remind you of Melo. Absolutely nothing.
finals is on Kidd. Celtics put Tatum inside on D against centers, which in turn screwed up Mavs plan, playin 4 out. That removed corner 3s and pushed Mavs in shooting Above the Break 3s. Turned out they shot 25 % on those. Washington, Jones, Maxie... those are not great 3 point shooters unless its a corner 3 on catch and shoot.
So 1 little tweak killed Mavs offense and Kidd never adjusted.
Slovenia has not qualified for the Olympics yet.
He's definetly going to play in those qualifying games in greece vs Giannis
Goes to comments to talk basketball
Sees nothing but Black ops comments from bots
He’s one of the best players in the League and he’s young/not in his Prime yet…. He definitely will have more chances to Win and probably will 🏀👍🏼
Luka has been a pro for 10 years and here comes the injuries.
@@jacobstrouble6631 I really hope not my friend 🤞🏼🙏🏼
Barkley never even made another Finals!
The Mavs need one more shooting wing like a Deandre Hunter type and we’re gold
Atlanta would be thrilled
For as boston-y as bill is, i think segments like this show why he's where he's at. I half expected him to just dismiss dallas and kyrie and hate on them but he can (when he wants to) dissect things from that non-homer point of view.
Can you imagine how unstoppable LUka would be if he got in great shape? scary
Luka is really turning into Harden 2.0
That defensive effort was gross. Idc how good you coach, there was no winning behind that. Now if lively was prime Chandler, he could probably negate some of that, but how much are you really gonna put on the rookie? But yea, lose weight and train defense, don’t do anything else! Not saying be all-defense just don’t be a cone.
I like how some people act like the blood is from the injury and not the injection of pain and/or anti-inflammatory meds.
Kyrie had two very good games in Dallas where he scored 35 and 21 points on 50% shooting. But the games in Boston, not so much.
I feel like Luka has pissed off so many refs that now he's not getting all the calls that he deserves to get. Obviously we allow a little more contact in the playoffs but he was getting murdered by OKC and rarely getting the call. They were a really good team who brings almost everybody back but I don't think they'll be top three in the Western conference season standings but you never know what would happen with them in the playoffs.
The funny part about this is this wouldn’t even be a convo if he didn’t make it to the finals. This is the reward you get for winning the west I geuss
It feels early for this since Luka is young, but if more teams successfully build their rosters to have 5 real scorers starting like the Celtics, it could get pretty hard for teams to hide superstars that don't play defense consistently. That would very quickly close Luka's championship window if he doesn't evolve.
Having an aneurysm trying to figure out Luka over Iverson? What’s confusing about it? Neither is a great defender, one of them is one of the best offensive generators in league history, the other was wildly inefficient.
Luka is not better than Barkley, rebounding and dominating the paint wars still means a lot IMHO. Barkley also one of most elite ferocious finishers ever.
I think Bill is overly-minimizing Luka’s defensive woes. It’s not just that he was bad on defense, it was that he was unacceptably bad on defense. Like not even putting the right amount of effort in to suggest that you want to be taken seriously as a competitive defender. That type of thing can set the wrong tone or send the wrong message to your team that you’re SUPPOSED to be the leader of. James Harden gained the same type of reputation in Houston. At least Magic Johnson, Bird and Steph tried and competed on that end. Can the same be said about Luka?
he was so bad that they ve held Boston to their worse offensive rating in the playoffs. they lost because of offense not because of defense. could they have done better od defense? could have luka done better on defence? yes to both of those. they still would have lost. cause they couldn't score.
Thinking basketball has an analysis where the Celtics repeatedly hunt Luca on defense…. It’s pretty gross. He’s definitely not trae young bad, but Luca is bad against a strong balanced offense like the Celtics.
@@danielquest8644I think that actually has something to do with the shape he’s in, I think he starts to like run out of steam come playoff time because he plays himself into shape throughout the season, he needs to lose about 10-15 lbs, nothing extreme because one of the best things about him is his ability to bully ball smaller defenders, but enough that he can just be consistent fine on defense and elite on offense, which I think is doable for him
As a mavs fan I can say that Luka was surprisingly good on defense trough the playoffs. Is just that when he's bad he's really bad. But let's say 80 % off playoffs games he was really trying hard and doing his work.
@@Mr.KyleRichey good analysis man! Cheers
Not if he keeps playing Luka ball. There's a cap for that type of play. In the end, high level well rounded team ball with plenty of off ball movement will beat that style.
Kind of remarkable how bad the coverage has been from ESPN, really can't get out of the idea that the event theyre building up to is the offseason, rather than the product on the court. I feel like this pod, as much as its about the future prospects of the mavs, it really shifts the emphasis of the game to on court performance, growth and dynamics, instead of sensationalism what ifs. refreshing
i will say re: get up live, i feel like Get Up is one of those shows on ESPN that does it the best (relatively)
Simmons needs to stop hating on Kyrie. Was he great in the finals ? Not really. But just in general trough the playoffs he was really good. He would score 16 points,yet I loved him on the court. Passing,defending,hustling,moving the ball. As a Mavs fan,nothing but good things to say about Kyrie in Dallas.
I have a theory on why there are so many injuries now days,
I tell you who has had some of the strongest and most durable bodies in the world?
Dancers.
If I was a GM,
I would demolish the weight room and turn it into a Dance Hall.
For real..
People are biased against his style of play. It’s fine if you don’t like it, just say that.
He won Euroleague MVP and championship at 18 then came to the NBA and was a top 5 player by year 2.
By year 6 he has 5 First Teams a finals berth and a WCFs berth.
Calling him not a winner is just bias against his style of play which is fine it can be annoying sometimes! Just say thats the reason.
Will the best player in the world win a title? Uhhh yes.
I think yall missing the “Dallas” part not the Luka part. Kyrie washes out, west is loaded, mavs don’t have a ton of room for moves. Maybe next few years they fall short and Luka leaves.
Celtics have five all-star-ish players (Tatum, Brown, Jrue, KP and White); Dallas has two. So who’s gonna win that series?
These playoffs felt like multiple teams won in their own way. Wolves beating nuggs, pacers beating knicks, and Boston beating dallas. Dallas beating okc felt like their big win of the playoffs but they kept it going. Dunno if they will ever be back to the end but it wasn’t their year.
Luca is far better then iverson wtf this dude talking about
hes trolling; its a shame what he has become
CR suffers from AI fanboyism. It's a legit disorder.
Luka is a great player but a lack of athlete sim is hard to win everything in this nba
In the next 2 to 3 seasons, the Mavs will have *prime* Luka + Dereck Lively in seasons 3 & 4 + they will have either Kyrie or his max slot to offer to FAs + THJ's expiring contract & potentially PJ Washington & others (depending if the Mavs want to keep them & they want to stay or not) + a few rooks like Jaden Hardy & O-Max (if they develop into anything).
*Prime* Luka + Dereck Lively + Kyrie/max slot = Mavs serious contenders for the next 5 seasons. It comes down to how good the Mavs are at evaluating FAs and bringing in the right complimentary pieces. 2 to 3 seasons from the now, the Mavs will also be able to deal future 1st round picks to sweeten any deals they want to make. Conclusion: Luka wins a title. He's just too damn good. *Luka should have been the MVP this season*
Bill this is the correct analogy. If Basketball was like the X-games. Kyrie would be Tony Hawk. He'd be the guy who did the 900. That's why other players love kyrie.
It’s crazy that the ringer has two Sean Fenneseys and Chris Ryan, knower of all things.
I dont think Luka makes it again with this particular Mavs team. He probably will need to leave and do something similar like with what Kawhi did with Toronto, join a team that's already close to winning as a free agent.
i mean luka and kyrie are better than brown and tatum right? i dont think that is that outlandish to say; the series really came down to role players...
When people discuss the best players to never win a title, you'll note that the majority of individuals named are from a a generation ago. Iverson, Malone, Stockton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkins, Ewing, Nash, Baylor. When you think of contemporaries - the last few years, it's Chris Paul, Paul George, James Harden. And even then, they're older.
Doncic is 25. In an era of a lot of player movement, it's almost impossible to be so great and not win at least one ring. He will.
Luka is not better than Barkley
He already is
They need to trade their 2025 pick (lottery protected), Hardaway Jr, Kleber, and 2031 pick (top 2 protected) for Miles Bridges sign and trade
Kleber had a shoulder separation. Shooting arm. Still came back remarkably quick and provided important defense.
Miles or Michal? Wouldn't give that for Miles
Feel like Bill just wanted this conversation so he can throw shade at Kyrie and say he can’t replicate what he did this year
Kidd’s mistake was he shorten his rotation like Thibs.
Bill just hates Kyrie really. No reason to call him overrated. He's properly rated right now.
"Am I a Kyrie basher?"
"No"
Say yes Chris Ryan! Don't be afraid!
People who defend him always have a very short memory of all his antics the last few years. It's reasonable to be a sceptic even though he has behaved and has actually been focusing on playing basketball and being a decent team-mate this season. My guess is that the main reason for that is that the contract offer he got from the Mavericks might have been one of few he actually recieved *at all*. He finally got humbled.
But he is overrated based on the past 4 years - he needs to behave and play well for 2 consecutive years to change that especially because of his flameout in the Boston home games. Personally I do not think he can behave for 2 years. in row but time will tell.
Lukas transcendent offensively but his D is too terrible to think hes better than a lot of guys imo. Hopefully his injury made him limited on D these playoffs. If he gets in better shape and starts taking defense seriously he'll probably become the best player in the league but he cant be a target for the other team to keep attacking. Feel like thats why Nash never won one and a few other guys. Barkleys D was pretty bad too. Also the most obvious example is Harden. I think u have to at least buy in and put effort on team defense to win it all if your the main guy
Saying luka is better than malone baylor and peak barkley is wild
Sports media did everything to put down Lebron so now we mistake team success with player success. Last I checked there were 5 guys on the court for a team not 1.
After the 2011 Finals, I'll never believe with 100% certainty that anyone's window is slammed shut EXCEPT James Harden and Russell Westbrook, who are both incapable of winning anything beyond regular season stat titles. Nothing about that 2011 Dallas run felt like "this is their year." I didn't even even believe it was going to happen until about a minute and half to go in game six. So no, Luka's window isn't closed. Hell, even if they add Westbrook and/or Harden, Luka is young enough to wait out their retirements :P
Yep that was it. the 10+ years left of Luka’s career is all downhill from here
That no title list will be a lot more interesting with Harden, Westbrook, PG-13, Booker, Embiid, Zion, and Dame potentially on it.
Bro, Kyrie has a title. Y'all crazy
@@AdamHammond-my bad you right. I wrote this in a hurry
we need more Luka, more Ant, more Za
Luka’s knees were bleeding every game and it was weird.
The most skilled offensive basketball players ever play for the Harlem Globetrotters. It doesn’t make you the best or have a perfect correlation with winning NBA games.
No, they do not. Harlem Globetrotters don't even make 6 figures. They are not the best in the world at anything.
Only way luka wins one is if he has an elite defender in his back court
I don’t necessarily think it’s his one big shot, they got a solid squad.
Why is everyone talking about Luka losing weight? It won't make him faster. And it's an advantage he has against opponents. Since he's not athletic, he relies on his high IQ and skill. And the extra weight allows him to punish defenders. This isn't Zion whose advantage is athleticism
Lower extremity and back issues due to injury and a limited gas tank. That's what you can expect from fatties.
I'm not on the Luka terrible defense train but this Luka injury excuse train is stupid too! You either play or don't let's move on.
I'm sorry, but to me LeBron made the whole "most skilled" comment about Kyrie to try and get in Steph Currys head at the peak of their rivalry and not meant to be taken seriously. Cause if you're the MOST SKILLED, how come you aren't a consistent 30? I've always thought those kinds of esoteric statements were just completely bogus.
your use of the word esoteric is offfff.
22 ppg is pretty good for a guy who played with some of the biggest ball hogs of all time…..
Ball hogs? Lol. Kyrie is the number one ball stopper on every team he goes to.
It’s interesting; most people who are credible judges of asset management hated the Mavs deadline. Giving up what they did for two guys in PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford who by themselves don’t move the needle seemed preposterous. However, from almost the second those two arrived the Mavs were a top 3 team in the league in every conceivable metric, in large part because PJ Washington provided everything defensively they weren’t getting from Grant Williams. All throughout the playoffs, people extolled the Mavs front office for making the moves they did, and there were a fair share of Mavs fans who openly mocked the Kevin Peltons of the world who wrote about how they hated Dallas giving up all those firsts for what amounts to two role players.
All of that context prefaces the thing people here who are calling this conversation asinine are missing; as Bill said very early on in this discussion, the Mavs have no avenue to get better going forward. Their first round picks are gone well into the future. Kyrie is going to be 33 by next spring. Derrick Jones is gone. Tim Hardaway Jr. is next to impossible to move. Oh, and the Thunder just improved tremendously and will only continue improving as their core develops, the Nuggets aren’t going anywhere, Memphis is going to have an elite starting 5 next year, Minnesota has avenues to make moves, the Rockets are entering their contention window in the next few years, and last but not least Wemby and the Spurs are likely to be contending within the next 5 years. The West is going to be a landmine, and the reward for getting out of it is facing Boston or a team good enough to beat Boston in the Finals. It’s not the least bit crazy to think this was Dallas’ best shot, and I wonder if in 3 years from now people look back at this past deadline and have a much different viewpoint of what Dallas did, Finals appearance be damned.
If 3 years from now*
Fair comment . I would add that Luka's game leaves a small margin of error in the surrounding pieces and Kyrie will not behave himself for 2 consecutive years ( Dallas should sell high now on him as some GM will think he has changed)
Kyrie. He’s an incredible finsher. Probably the best ever. His handles unmatched. BUT! That doesn’t mean you’re a great offensive player. He’s short Melo. A bucket. But that’s about it.
He cannot behave himself for 2 consecutive years and he is not a leader he just looked like one this year because they lacked any natural leaders although Lively may grown into being one
He's fucking 25! Bill loves making fun of First Take and similar shows and then does this shit.
Bill Simmons thinks kyrie is overrated: what a shocker
If money becomes no object he can just do a KD and join the best team
Best players never win a ring, u forgot jimmy butler, Westbrook,Reggie miller
I don't think he will win one where he is the main guy. Denver's coming back, Minnesota is on the rise, Wemby is going to be a crazy monster, and then Kyrie Irving is going to have his usual meltdown more than likely. So I don't see how he's going to get it unless a lot of injuries happen
Definitely the one big time for Luka & Kyrie as the top 2 players on the team, maybe Kyrie's last shot except as a role player. Definitely not Luka's last shot. He'll get the ring and the MVP on his way to the HOF.
KI is the wrong guy. A talent but he will not be able to behave himself for 2 consecutive years and the only reason he looked like a "leader" this year is because of the youth of the team who are not ready to step up ( you can see potential for Lively as being a future leader). There is bound to be some foolish GM who thinks KI has changed so Dallas should sell high now and get some good pieces.
A Celtics championship and all the Kyrie hate he can handle. Bill in Bean Town heaven (for crazies) right now.
how about is next year the Celtics last chance to win a title after they pay Tatum and are locked into Brown and Tatum both being Max contracts. Look how many times before this year they came up short, those 2 will always need help around them. Will they ever have teammates as good as K.P and Jrue?
They have all of them next year. It's the year after it starts to get expensive, but they will still have most of them. I would guess there is a four year window with good enough players around them. But they will also improve. Because they have done so every year so far.
I would say injury risk is their biggest concern because they have been ironmen so far compared to most other stars.
@@kaleidoscopechameleon3067 up your meds bro 😎
There is nothing J Kidd could have done to win that series. Luka will play with Jokic by the end of his career.
Their games will not fit.
Not mentioning Westbrook for best players to not win a ring is sad
Luka can also switch teams
Spurs would be solid wemby/luca sounds like a kareem/magic
Its just wild to see the excuse making from Bill of 25 year old Luka compared to 25 year old LeBron. Both lost to the Celtics. Dont let the record fool you that 2010 Celtics probably should have won the title and its not like the 2024 Celtics had a healthy Porzingis. LeBron was better in advanced stats in comparison. He got no pass for Rondo destroying Mo WIlliams and KG destroying Jamison.
You want to smash the under on 1.5 titles for Luka CR? I'll put up a carton of smokes on that action.
Dallas should cash in on the Kyrie rehab as he will never behave for 2 years in a row. They can get better pierces in terms of having a championship roster. They lack a really good wing ( do not continue the delusion that PJ is that person - nice second string but that is all}
Dallas wont be going back to the finals next year no way.. Denver easily favourites to come out of the minefield but there are soo many teams that could
Cmon bill luka young he should learn from this I think the team can win a championship the nba is a diffrent champ each season
Luka deserves more criticism when he's being crowned by everybody as the best player in the league and yet he can't defend to save his life? And then you have guys like Tatum and Brown who can literally do everything and everyone clowns them for being versatile and just having won the championship? Make it make fucking sense please.
Damn the slander for Kyrie not beating the Celtics game 3 is hilarious
Not sure you watched the segment. It started with the NBA media claim that "Dallas had the two best players in the series" before it started. If that was the case, Kyrie could have seized the opportunity to show that when Luka fouled out. He didn't.
their free agency pic up is derrick jones probably leaves but they pick up gordon hayward on a vet min. Maybe give Dwight Howard or Boogie Cousins a shot. KyrieS IN HIS 30's so its fair to ask if theirs soem slippage but for bill to question is he that good? like come on pal kyrie 1 v1 probably sand deservingly beats tatum and brown and likely was whoopin their ass back when he was on the celtics but the celtics also have jrue white and kristaps like bruhh the deck was too big for kyrie to take that game 3... plus dallas couldn't do anything because they have too many offensive liabilities.
3 team deal
Clippers get CP3, Kuminga, GP2
Warriors get PG13 THJ
Dallas gets KLAY Thompson
Glad the guys were fair to kyrie, Bill still trying to force narratives.
Im a luka hater, but it's too early to say no to this question
Luka's game means there is no margin for error on the surrounding cast
I could see Luka coming up shy a few times and eventually winning as the second or third banana as Joe House likes to say.
I don’t think Luka’s style play is meant for him to be a second banana. He’s not versatile enough I don’t think to pivot and change his game.
This team VASTLY overachieved and I still have serious doubt about their role players being legit playoff guys. Kyrie is gonna get older. I literally don't trust anyone besides Luka lol. I don't understand how they made the finals at all
luka is younger than shai and shai dosen't have this pressure