Hey so I see a bit of confusion on the Tobirama point, when I mention in the vid we'll clarify FTG during the Tobirama section in the Minato section I was implying that the same win cons that apply to Minato apply to Tobirama as well since he can replicate FTG level two by placing a Manual mark on his Kunai or use another variation, it just didn't make as much sense to repeat the same thing twice. Apologies if that wasn't clear or if I worded it a bit poorly on my end.
Minato has literal feats of him moving faster than his FTG teleportation which is so insane, another example is when he BodyFlickers back in the war before the Bijuu Bomb he teleports lands
Maybe im just lame, but i think that's just a matter of parallax or the displacement of the teleporting object (himself) being set to somewhere that's not EXACTLY where the kunai is - which has to be the case for FTG anyway since he's never physically attached to the kunai as soon as he teleports. Basically I'm saying, the kunai (or seal on the kunai) isn't the exact place you teleport to But it's cool
I’m just confused because it was never mentioned how Minato would mark Gojo with the ftg seal. Even if I believe that the argument is sound, Minato could teleport through limitless, I still don’t see how he would without actually leaving a seal on Gojo.
@@The_BlackGoose Revealing your technique and it's workings to enemy in JJK actually powers it up, that is why a single, most simple reversal red blasted Jogo to middle of the forest effortlessly after Gojo told him about it.
@uspahle neutral limitless after the hidden inventory arc is completely automatic, detecting all that comes in contact with it, INCLUDING POISON. At the time that the statement was initially made, Gojo was just getting used to it going 100% automatic and wasn't, AT THE TIME, able to fully detect poison, but that was a freshly awakened gojo. This Gojo is older and able to detect it
The glaze wasn't even that crazy they spent the first 5 mins debunking all of higher AP and Speed calcs, making him below the Hokage stat-wise and then just proceeded to explain his abilities.
It’s not so much that he’s objectively below since you could also argue the Hokage around, more so that it shouldn’t be a night and day difference at least in my opinion. I think the speed is the bigger issue more than AP if anything, since it’s much easier to argue Lightspeed Naruto over JJK
@@omegapirate64 It was power creep but it was expected akatsuki are all stated to be S rank ninja which is the equivalent of a kage or lower Madara and Hashirama just like Sukuna were God's in the Golden age of ninja fighting the warring states were instead of children going into dangerous missions they would constantly be fighting wars and Madara and hashirama dominated that era and one of this already powerful character wants a greater power also the bijuu were established to be powerful a long while ago so adding them to your arsenal your broken
@@orpheemulemo8053 ya that’s exactly my problem with Naruto. S class ninja doesn’t mean shit, they all ABSURDLY vary in strength. And another thing is that even if things were established, it doesn’t take away the fact that the execution of said establishment was absurd. By the way, “established “ didn’t really mean much when they were like “oh yeah they are so stupidly strong bro trust me” but how strong is “stupidly strong” ? I like Naruto but damn it did NOT feel like a ninja series by the end.
@@omegapirate64 It's a ninja series yes inspired by Japanese folklore that's why the ninjas have elemental powers people say ohh it's a ninja series yet characters have God like characters have you ever read Japanese and Buddhist mythology basically filled with transcendant beings most of the names of characters abilities are named after gods in Japanese lore Like izanagi and izanami the first time itachi introduced the latter people say plot whole or no to foreshadowed but in Japanese lore izanami and izanagi are twin God's so the very fact kishimoto but izanagi in the manga means izanami will appear soon The akatsuki are very strong let's not say that S rank ninja means nothing because that's not thecase in the War ninjas like the five kage Ms war Kakashi who at the time reached S rank level was very useful Even the Tsusanoo itself is a mythological reference and for example itachi and shisui two double MS wielders were shown to have incomplete Tsusanoo. Why do we know it's in complete because it's design is inspired by an armored tengu who are flying human bird warriors clad in armor and we can see itachi and shisui the higher the level the more armor they got and the bigger it got so when Madara showed off his perfect Tsusanoo for naruto fans who know Japanese mythology it was expected
Hiruzen required it because he was older and slower than Oro, he also couldn't see in the Infinite Bringer of darkness. When Minato used it, the reaper simply stretched his arm through Minato and over to the Ninetails. When orochimaru summoned it, others could see the Shinigami and the Souls even though they weren't in contact.
11:06 tbf maho was closer to the explosion when the unlimited hollow went off so he might of just died first meaning sukuna was free to use DA again. If u don’t wanna use the that point sukuna was also able to hit gojo on a few occasions while agito and maho where gaining up on him (chapter 234 he landed that kick for example) so he doesn’t need to deactivate the shikigami to use it.
The same win cons for Minato apply to Tobirama too who can also use FTG to send attacks away (he was going to do this with a juubidama with Minato while it’s implied Hashirama could move multiple ones). Flying Raijin Slice would be effective then too
@@ThunderGodTG No worries haha I read the pinned comment. Plus y’all did say in the video you’d go in depth on FTG in Minato’s section. Makes sense and I agree!
This video made me realize that Tayuya counters Limitless 😂. Gojo can freely be heard and hear, meaning it either has no effect on sound or the functions of limitless are wrong. If things get slowed to relative zero around gojo, sound waves would never reach him.
Funnily enough, Shikamaru has a very simple way to win the fight. Shadow-neck binding technique (RIP forgotten jutsu). Not only could he strangle Gojo, but we know the shadow has physical properties. So if you qanna argue that the shadow wouldn't be able to strangle Gojo for whatever reason, then you could alternatively use it to blind Gojo.
@@theinktician yup. There were so many ideas in the OG Naruto to make characters grow stronger and then they forgot all about those abilities in Shippuden. Sure, they got some new ones but they seemed weaker. I mean, look at Temari. In Shippuden she just uses her fan like she did in the chuunin exams. When she came to save Shikamaru she used a summon that leveled a forest like it was nothing. Then, it was never seen again. So much wasted potential.
That Shadow wouldn't be able to reach Gojo, there's an infinite distance between the shadow and him. There's never once been any implication that the Nara's Shadow technique can block the vision of the Sharingan or Byakugan, therefore it shouldn't work against the Six Eyes either.
@@numberhunter62 have you like, watched the video? I'm simply going off of the statement in the video, where shadows were considered to be a viable option due to the nature of their usage and implications within JJK (which was brought up in the video) and the nature of shadows in general. Obviously we've never seen that because this jutsu, which has physical properties, was used only once and it was not against a dojutsu user. Later on, Shikamaru was used just for binding people with his shadows like he used to when he was just a genin. In other words, you cannot say something is unlikely to be true because there is no supporting evidence, while your own claim has none. If both things have no evidence then they're as likely as they're unlikely. However, in this case, we have more implications on the side of the argument that supports the notion of it being possible due to the fact that the shadow has physical properties and was being used to incapacitate someone. Thus, it is safe to assume that if it could apply pressure to the larynx, then applying said pressure to the softer tissue of an eyeball would easily crush it. The idea of simply obscuring one's vision is based on the assumption that it could not apply enough pressure, which we have no basis for nor counterarguments. Lastly, you're forgetting that this is all speculation.
Anyone who debunks JJK light speed scaling gets an instant like from me. Characters don't have to break the laws of physics with their speed to be good.
I'd mention that tobirama should have minatos ftg win con too. We see him in canon teleport someone's attack back to them (jubito) so he can do the same with hollow purple. He also used the flying raijin slice so similar to ur argument for minato that should work. I think the assumption people use that he doesn't use ftg often to dodge or counterattack during fights luke minato is just incorrect. We literally see him do that all throughout the war arc. Plus his first notable win was via ftg on izuna. Tldr, ftg is just as much a win con for tobirama as it is for minato
ikr, people pretend like tobirama cant do what minato does when hes literally shown to do so lol. minato just has the custom kunai and the barrier jutsu that he used ftg as inspiration for, thats it, hes not faster with it or anything. Tobirama just uses more sneak attacks through more vast jutsu compared to minato only specialising in 3, ftg, sealing and rasengan
Agreed it’s more of a fighting style point as Tobirama doesn’t main FTG as his primary method of combat compared to Minato but, it’s literally the same thing since he can replicate FTG level 2 with a bit more work. I believe I mention Tobirama can do it as well in the vid. Edit: I mention this in the vid but, made a pinned comment clarifiying.
@loveladii69 its his jutsu hes obviously a master at what he created. Minato mastered it because he learnt everything there is about it. Its not glazing its a fact simple as
@@manny9191 his jutsu of course he mastered it The only person who mastered all of his Justus is orichimaru Tobirama created reanimated and he didn’t have a mastered version so of course you did not watch Naruto and is just glazing tobirama because he the hokage brother he literally got dog on by 2 people with 9 tails chakra that got dog on by dauri a non Kage bro is trash
One point I’d like to bring up is that the reason that Gojo probably wasn’t able to evade the world slash was because that even though his six eyes can read a cursed technique as well as see cursed energy, on a high level of jujutsu sorcerers, their cursed energy flow is a lot more stable, so stable as to make it so a person cannot read it-even Gojo. So it’s not because of the speed of the attack that he was caught off guard.
I will say i was skeptical of sum of the stuff said about gojo (lack of teleportation, or the fact his six eyes would be able to decipher most abilities so it’d be hard to catch him off guard), but I see u taking notes in comment section and that’s dope asf. Mad respect bro💯 I also think while very few hokage have win cons, and most if not all when hit by UV would be done…the scaling difference is tough to overcome. High tiers in naruto are a different level.
Appreciate it ✊🏻yeah, I actually regret not bringing up teleportation more just kinda got a bit lost in the discussion. I also got no issues taking notes/critique since it just helps the content for the future as opposed to having a weird ego or feeling attacked.
Tsunade downplay yet again... No one truly understands how strong she really is. Tsunade is genjutsu resistant much like Sakura thanks to the byakugou seal. She healed tsukuyomi side effects with basic med ninjutsu. Katsuyu is also telepathically and directly linked to the seal no matter the distance which means she can always disperse any genjutsu or mental illusions and Tsunade being a medical and combat genius will figure it out on her own. He ain't surviving a hit from her. People keep saying she's slow yet she has consistently shown to keep up with speedsters and has punched everyone she has fought.
@@braxtongressett1457That's the biggest issue but even then, the arguments discussing the matchup making her out to be some neanderthal, punching at the Limitless shield as if it'll break instead of actually fighting tactically, even just punching the ground and using terrain manipulation and her superior stamina and healing factor to either outlast Gojo or find a way through is a complete disservice to her character.
@@Mrrynshe doesn’t have superior stamina. Once she releases the seal theres a limit. Gojo dont got that problem and buddy shes literally just a puncher. She has nothing to get past susanoo/ limitless. Its not math its science
I think I’ve seen attacks from behind gojo get stopped by infinty so I don’t think it relies on his eyes per say it’s more like the eyes let him maintain and control the technique efficiently and properly
@@theneverwhere6076 minato arriving before his kunai’s hit, minato himself, Naruto being scaled directly and higher to minato in the later forms, sasuke scales directly with naruto, etc etc. I can pull up exact feats if you want tbh, just ask
@@thedabisme61 "minato arriving before his kunai’s hit" Irrelevant as that's simply impossible due to how Minato's jutsu works, animation error and outlier. "Naruto being scaled directly and higher to minato in the later forms" Minato is nowhere near to light speed though. "sasuke scales directly with naruto, etc etc" Naruto was distracted by large fireball, unless ur really going to tell me how a ball of fire was FTL there.
@@theneverwhere6076 wdym you mean animation error and outlier, he arrived before all other hokages and considered a physical feat as he can’t just throw a kunai from leaf to the final battlefield. Hell vsbattles scale him to sub-relativistic since he reacted to, teleported, and came back. Minato is MFTL+ at least. Did you read Naruto off of tiktok my dude, there are many other examples where they are comparable in speed during and after the war
Kakashi vs Gojo speedrun War Arc Kakashi 1 MS: Kakashi stomps, outscales Gojo and Kamui is a perfect counter to limitless DMS Kakashi: cmon Hokage Kakashi: based on novel feats he vastly outscales Gojo but has no way of bypassing infinity, maybe he could do something with Genjutsu but there is not enough evidence to support that, so most likely Gojo wins after sometime with Unlimited Void
@@laurence_lookmyr Gojo can punch his a%s without lifting Limitless though. I dont think you consider that limitless isn't some kind of suit Gojo has no control over, Limitless is extension of his will and soul, he IS limitless in a sense. He can attack while also keeping Limitless up or shifting it.
Kamui makes sense to work against limitless but FTG…?? Eh not so much. The seal must be applied via touch and there is no touch to Gojo here. You can’t touch the barrier. The seal never makes contact imo. If the seal is already on Gojo…sure.
@ThunderGodTG then they would be stuck inside the limitless. Infinity is not a wall, it's literally making the Infinity a reality. They will never cross that distance. None of the kage have any jutsu that can bypass the infinity. P.S. if hey dodge the domain, they speed blitz gojo after breaking the domain.
Okay you didn’t catch what I said if he throws a Kunai and the Kunai is stuck in the Limitless Barrier Minato can alter his angle/move in the subspace beyond Space & Time and appear and Gojo. When FTG users teleport there is a radius they can appear in within the mark’s placement whether it be manual or Kunai. It’s debatable but, that was the argument being made.
That is true I actually mentioned that to someone else I do regret not discussing it as much. Gojo's teleportation ain't on the same level as Minato's tho, FTG allows it's user to literally teleport between entire dimensions due to being above any Space/Time restrictions via teleporting into it's own unique Subspace, Gojo has showcased no Teleportation feats on this level.
I don’t see how FTG is a win-con for Minato. Because my understanding is that only the *teleporation* happens through a separate subspace, and that the kunai itself travels regularly. Therefore, if Minato could tag Gojo with the FTG seal somehow, he could get past limitless, but that’s impossible because there’s no way for the regularly-traveling Kunai to get past infinity in the first place? Right? Or am I missing something?
It would literally be like the Kunai would be stuck trying to go through infinity and then Minato appears, unless Gojo outright reflects. Minato doesn’t spawn on the Kunai he can spawn on the radius around it. Granted it’s still an iffy point but more so clarifying.
Hanami was against a Wall which led to his death ( I think it’s a dude) otherwise if minato is getting pushed back he just teleports like he does while caught mid kamui
@@ThunderGodTG I agree w this one, but it does negate the ftg win con. Minato still wins overall through evasiveness and sealing. But I don’t see a pathway for ftg to play any roll offensively. It comes down to do you think the .2 sec domain is quick enough to catch Minato off gaurd directly after this interaction (it isn’t)
@@ajdavis3607no for hashirama they did say bringer or darkness then thousand hand Buddha when in reality the thousand hand buddha still wouldn’t touch him
Bringer of Darkness would hinder Gojo’s ability to see which doesn’t inherently just neutralize infinity but, due to infinity being predicated on his visuals it makes it extremely difficult to deal with, even this is irrelevant though since Forest Bloom does kinda rip. I feel as if we did a pretty good job defining infinity in the vid and some of semantics if you want to peep, or maybe you have another interpretation which I would be super open to.
@@ThunderGodTG yeah, overall u guys were already being generous to gojo so I’m jus being nit picky at this point 😂😂 even if hashirama had no win cons (which he does) I wouldn’t dare say gojo beats him in any way shape or form lol
I wholeheartedly believe that Minato would stalemate Gojo, to use FTG he has to place a mark on his target, he was only able to teleport and beat Obito because he teleported to the Kunai he threw not to Obito himself. I don't see him pulling the same move on Gojo because Infinity works inherently different than Kamui.
Limitless blocks CE, and therefore would block chakra, why tf did you guys set up the equal footing to completely ignore it. The dude can’t get hit by reaper death seal or koto, the both need chakra connection to work. Secondly if gojo has any thought he might be attacked at all limitless is up 360 and is not dropping. So unless you argue a long range win con with immense speed into an off fair gojo if he sees the opponent he’s not getting touched by anything physical or chakra related
Appreciate it my man ✊🏻 appreciate the insightful comments they actually help me a ton since I’m not too sure what sticking points I should be on for JJK stuff so it actually helps me a ton.
The fact that you seek out the points you aren’t sure ab and take different opinions in stride is just fucking awesome dude, and it’s what makes you the best in the business. Also more JJK pls
i think what makes the naruto verse in general just so much better is the massive variety and abillities, and the tons of illusion and genjutsu that just hard counter any non heavy illusion resistant character. i think naruto verse v verse in general is kinda unfair bc theres a counter to everything within naruto
if you go based of two blue vortex her mind transfer jutsu has a range of 100km around the village. and its able to bypass eidas sennrigan which can see all things around the world presently and in the past.
limitless isn’t considered a barrier, it’s a technique gojo perfected to use at all times that works automatically. Gojo also uses RCT to heal his mind at all times so it is really hard to fatigue him. Also, Hollow Purple works similar to truth seeking orbs so it removes anything from existence when it touches them.
If it was ever stated to remove anything from existence it touches that has been debunked direclty by the manga cause Sukuna survived, without using domain amp cause Maho’s wheel didn’t go black
@@TheEternalFlame57 Sukuna and Gojo both used cursed energy and simple domain, it doesn't make Gojo or Hollow Purple weaker, it just makes Sukuna and cursed energy in general stronger, as it technically is subjective reality warping, Kenjaku and Mahito talked on that. It also doesn't help any of Kage as they cant repeat things Sukuna did, so good luck to them.
If the kauni hit limitless wouldnt it bounce off and minato just teleport to the kauni so the how would minato hurt gojo without waiting for gojo to turn off limitless. But gojo hax just allows him fight high tier characters which makes the fights interesting.
Reverse technique comes from the head that's why you get your head chopped off you obviously can't use it but everything else when it comes to curse energy if I recall does come from the gut I think lol
Good video. Just one comment about the Minato fight, idk if the kunais would bypass infinity. Shouldn’t matter since as you said Minato can just throw back any and all of Gojo’s attacks and he is way faster and he also is a genius fighter in a world of genius fighters. But at least I will give Gojo that unknown clash in that particular matchup
Idk if infinity blocks gaseous based attacks. It didn't stop Hanami's pollen. We don't know why it bypasses it but I have a few theories. If infinity doesn't work on attacks Gojo can't percieve, then reaper death and hasirama's pollen works. If it is a size thing explosions, Wind, lightning release also works.
Not really as long as he is in the Path Of the Seal Minato Could just slice space time Itself by slicing Inside the subspace as he arrives in the Space where gojo resides
i would argue he could regenerate limbs based of the fact orochimaru who gain his healing fractor from just some of hasiramas cells was able to regenerate his arm and called victors regen flawed despite victor being able to regenerate his head
Reaper Death Seal would work if Hiruzen can touch Gojo. A way to nullify Infinity is by touching Gojo. I recall this being mentioned in the Sukuna fight.
Flying raijin is moving oast soace and time but only to somewhere where you mark. If he throughs the kunai the kunai wouldnt make it past the infinite barrier. So even if he teleports to the kunai he is still outside of limitless. He would have to somehow touch gojo physically to mark him
This felt very hokage biased. Any time an interaction was seen as 50/50 or even “maybe” possible the benefit of the doubt was always given to the hokage. Here’s a Gojo biased review. Tsunade: cannot touch Gojo in any way. Just gets UV instantly. Also no reason to think Gojo would drop his domain before she dies and let her heal. Dagon kept his domain open for days when he was still a cursed womb. Yuta kept his open for at least a minute fighting sukuna. Plus Gojo could hollow purple her while she is stunned. Hiruzen: there are three win conditions he “has”. Shadow possession, mind transfer, and reaper death seal. Shadow possession never catches anyone while they are airborn. Gojo is always using infinity on his whole body meaning shadow possession is not affecting him. There is no reason the infinity would work like a cup being over Gojo and not fully enveloping him. Every time shadow possession is about to catch someone they jump away. Gojo is just not getting affected. Mind transfer is not getting past infinity. It has a travel speed and therefore will never reach him through infinity. Third reaper death seal. Nothing ever implies it has infinite range but we know it travels therefore infinity just stops it. Then same story infinite void kills. Tobirama: no win condition. Video mentions the darkness genjustu stopping infinity but that’s kind of ridiculous. Firstly six eyes visual prowess does not equal the more effective cursed energy control. This is clear because during the sukuna fight Gojo gets his eye slashed while trapped in shrine. It’s never stated this drops his usage of cursed energy or infinity at all. Also if that was the case sukuna would have just focused the eyes so Gojo no longer has his advanced control of cursed energy that was letting him blast RCT. So now that we know tobirama has no win cons he just gets hollow purpled/UV/beat to death because Gojo has all the time in the world. Minato: also can’t get through infinity.I agree hollow purple could just be redirected towards Gojo but given that it affects him less this will not one shot and Gojo therefore won’t use it again. No way flying raijin goes through infinity either. It could if Gojo was already tagged with a seal but he teleports to the marks. If he can’t mark Gojo he can’t tp to him. It was mentioned he could not teleport directly to his mark and just a little bit away to hit Gojo but this leniency he has with his teleportation is not infinite. If it was he would only have one mark and then just go anywhere. And because this leniency of his tp isn’t Infinite it can’t travel through an infinite distance that is infinity. I will say though I don’t think Gojo could catch minato in UV/HP because his TP is just that fast and so is his reactions. Therefore it’s a stalemate or a 50/50 whether Gojo gets lucky and catches Minato or Minato gets lucky with Gojo missing an UV and killing him during the technique burnout. Hashirama: already discussed how bringer of darkness won’t work. Only other win con is the gas but that wouldn’t stop infinity anyway because it works from his brain not muscles leading to a draw. Also I doubt it would go through infinity because that Gojo who couldn’t figure out how to stop poisons wasn’t even able to use DE and current Gojo has a mastered DE. So logically he would have figured out the poison too. Also he could react to gas easily by just teleporting out. I don’t think Hashirama is as fast as Minato but if Gojo can’t get him with a normal domain he could just tp next to hashirama then use his 200 meter DE he used against sukuna. After that he could just hold it till Hashirama dies or because Hashirama is stunned HP probably one shots since Hashirama won’t be defending. Kakashi: honostly just a fight of who uses their best ability first. If kakashi uses Kamui he goes through infinity because kamui goes it a place kakashi sees. It also doesn’t have travel time. But if Gojo just uses DE he wins. 50/50 Naruto: frog kata doesn’t have inf range so it can’t hit Gojo. Honestly Gojo can’t hit Naruto at all and Naruto can’t hit Gojo so tie
Ten shadows is proof that shadow possession would work, and Gojo can’t block everything stop being a dumbass it’s stated otherwise. It’s literally stated the six eyes give him buffed curse energy control and he needs them to use infinity(he states anyone who can control their energy as precise as him can use it)
Gojo does have the ability to use Reversed Cursed Technique to heal his exhausted cursed techniques post Domain so it generally doesn’t apply to him like Yuta notes
4:56 “every single character should be landing black flashes” problem with this is that not every single character would scale to this also, CE application doesn’t necessarily have to match movement speed.
Saying every character needs to move at this speed was a bit to general of a statement, so my bad. The issue is we know what happens when CE application does not match the movement speed. The divergent fist. Not every character is having the divergent fist happen, furthermore they use CE to amp themselves to move at this speed.
your interpretation of the limitless i disagree with, i lean towards it being like broken ronin said, a closed door that he chooses to open whenever he sees fit, so the genjutsu argument i dont see working because ocular genjutsu for it to work, the chakra has to travel to your eyes and be injected into you, the limitless would just prevent the chakra from ever reaching him.
This is an interesting interpretation appreciate the insight! I will say tho ocular jutsu does not always need chakra to be injected into the opponent that’s more so for Koto, it actually varies as ocular genjutsu controls the chakra in the opponents head.
Is this equal stats or something? Because on many of these points the hokages should blitz gojo with those techniques (shadow paralysis) that bypass limitless
No that was Teen Shikimaru lmao you don’t think he gets any stronger? Despite having better feats as an adult? Is teen Shikimaru dodging a kick from Delta? Stop it now
@@ThunderGodTG This highlights one of my problems with power scaling. We shouldn't put too much weight behind shikamaru dodging an attack from delta. Using power scaling logic, shikamaru dodging the kick makes him faster than every character in shippuden. We all know kishimoto didnt intend for us to trhink shikamaru is as fast as minato. Another example is sakura punching kaguya. Power scalers say sakura is above jubidara because her punch moved kaguya's head. When in reality, we all know that wasn't kishimotos intent.
Teleportation working either assumes there's some range close to him where limitless doesn't work or apply OR assumes it works because it's a spatial ability Neither which works He'd just tekeport a hairs length away and still be stopped. You can be right next to him, a millimeter away and you'll still stop
The flying thunder god is a weird one and im not sure it could bypass limitless because it dosent have the same rules as Obitos timer/touching something manifests him. I think infinity is a hard counter to flying thunder god because you cant get a marked seal into that barrier. The hollow purple could work, but while I can imagine that somehow minato could manage to get through, I dont see how. Like literally how can he get a mark past an infinite barrier, its not like minato can just open holes in spacetime without a marker.
Isnt th black flash thing more so you need to release cursed energy at a millionth of a second not landing physical attacks at a millionth of a second?
its actually pretty easy to differentiate the attacks which in one of them kashimo sends out an attack with his mouth which sukuna referes to as "too loud" which lines with the phenomenon of constructive interference. Now constructive interference works like this *When Two sound waves of the same frequency that are perfectly aligned have a phase difference of 0 and are said to be "in phase." Two waves that are in phase add to produce a sound wave with an amplitude equal to the sum of the amplitudes of the two waves. This process is called "constructive interference. Constructive interference can amplify sound, leading to louder noises* , now the first attack kashimo used was the sound waves, and the second one was the electromagnetive waves one. And as for the black flash, gojo explains how black flashes work in chapter 256 where he mentions the term "blend" which is something he reffered to as something like environment or whatever, "its not just about the timing of the jot. depending on the blend, its a tossup" gojo states that its not about the timing but also about the blend or whatever which changes depending on the environment and EVEN your opponents cursed energy matter's at this point not only that your own physical condition matters obviously and gojo also adds up that even humidity and temperature matters.
Just because a domain is an island does not main that character is or is not "island level" if that was the case Gojo literally makes and infinite void in his domain, so is he infinitely powerful? No. Use some common sense please
Too many people take light speed literally in anime. In japanese it is a common expression to mean really fast. In the American football anime called Eyeshield 21 the main character doing a relatively fast 40 meter dash was called speed of sound. And an American who was 0.1 seconds faster was called speed of light. If any of them were actually light speed then they would be able to move across the earth in the blink of an eye. But they always have really long travel times.
Insanely goofy to see another content creator make comments like this and misinterpret what we’re saying, do you not think all the Hokage aren’t island level in AP lmao?
@@ThunderGodTG do you come at anyone who disagrees with ya this hostile? yikes. you can just delete my comment g. i dont debate with hot heads who cant explain with reason and just jumps to insults, lol i thought one piece fans were bad. unsubscribed for sure. been watching you for a min before my channel. guess a few subs turns ya into someone who only likes echo chambers.
That might have been my reading into your response some type of way but, the comment came off a bit disrespectful my B if that's not how you meant it or it wasn't, it was just a surface level comment that had a negative vibe to it and wasn't really a critique which is why I responded like that, it's also easy to misinterpret shit in comments which is why I'm taking the time to clarify. Making blankets statements like "subs" changed me when you don't know me is super corny tho let's not do that, hopefully this cleared the air a bit. You can also just blatantly see from the comments I'm openly interacting with people and taking in the info so again let's not say stuff that's just not true.
Kakashi Win Cons WITHOUT Kamui - 1. Out right Speed blitz. 2. Dopple Gangers. He wouldn't need more than 2 or 3. He just needs Gojo to use his Domain Once and he's smarter than Naruto. 3. Being lightspeed and Smarter than Shikamaru... Kakshi throws 2 Kunai at infitiy and instantly figures out hes can't can't hit him directly. Now you're telling me out of this mans bag of 1000 ( Minimum) Jutsu at a Hokage level can't figure anything out?
I do agree kakashi has mad versatility, but when is he light speed? When is that stated or shown? And wouldn’t that not make sense given his go to and second most powerful jutsu is lightning timer ? If his normal speed is faster than his lightning blade then he would need his sharingan active just to move around
Hey so I see a bit of confusion on the Tobirama point, when I mention in the vid we'll clarify FTG during the Tobirama section in the Minato section I was implying that the same win cons that apply to Minato apply to Tobirama as well since he can replicate FTG level two by placing a Manual mark on his Kunai or use another variation, it just didn't make as much sense to repeat the same thing twice. Apologies if that wasn't clear or if I worded it a bit poorly on my end.
Yo awesome vid man and can you do sukuna vs Itachi or toji vs Itachi
Please
I have a Sukuna vs the Akatsuki vid dropping next week
Glad you made this comment, Tobirama fans don’t be playing around when it comes to downplay of any kind lol
@@ThunderGodTG that's awesome then
The manga version of Minato defeating Obito is even crazier cause he literally instantly arrives to the location BEFORE the kunai
Minato has literal feats of him moving faster than his FTG teleportation which is so insane, another example is when he BodyFlickers back in the war before the Bijuu Bomb he teleports lands
@@ThunderGodTG Yea Minato is absurd I didn’t even realize how crazy of a feat that is 😂
Maybe im just lame, but i think that's just a matter of parallax or the displacement of the teleporting object (himself) being set to somewhere that's not EXACTLY where the kunai is - which has to be the case for FTG anyway since he's never physically attached to the kunai as soon as he teleports. Basically I'm saying, the kunai (or seal on the kunai) isn't the exact place you teleport to
But it's cool
@@theinkticianIt's kinda inconsistent tbh. We've seen him teleport to exactly where his seal is and not
I’m just confused because it was never mentioned how Minato would mark Gojo with the ftg seal. Even if I believe that the argument is sound, Minato could teleport through limitless, I still don’t see how he would without actually leaving a seal on Gojo.
“Nah I’d win” proceeds to give each and every Hokage the most disgusting, mind numbing, reputation destroying glaze in the afterlife
Lmao he would feel so satisfied 😂
@@SosukeTYBW Cooks them a sandwich after they run a train on him and his verse
@@hobbyhorse5848Damn 💀
@@SosukeTYBWBruh Yamcha dog walks Sukuna and thats facts.
The only hokage that is coming on top is naruto. Everyone else gets slapped
Who says gojo didn’t see sukuna charging the slash, he just assumed it wouldn’t cut fucking reality itself
It’s a possibility
@@ThunderGodTG& it makes perfect sense in gojos eyes he’s on his last breath and hasn’t hit him without de da and domain makes sense
himself in the beginning of the chapter?
Exactly.
@@Finalslashes its head cannon tbh
Finally, Gojo gets to fight people who don’t already know what the Limitless is.
He will explain it to them lol
@@gaoaibai6243 It will also power up Limitless against his enemies...
Which was already too much..
@@theneverwhere6076 power up Limitless ?? how ? ∞ times 10 ?
@@The_BlackGoose Revealing your technique and it's workings to enemy in JJK actually powers it up, that is why a single, most simple reversal red blasted Jogo to middle of the forest effortlessly after Gojo told him about it.
it increases infinity range i assume like he did against hanami@@The_BlackGoose
What’s goody in the hoody is crazy
literally bonkers
The way hashiramas gas is ending that mans career is unfathomable
gojo’s infinity detects harm. so it would block out the gas as well while letting normal air in.
@@antlocweHashirama blitzes
@@uspahle no
@uspahle neutral limitless after the hidden inventory arc is completely automatic, detecting all that comes in contact with it, INCLUDING POISON. At the time that the statement was initially made, Gojo was just getting used to it going 100% automatic and wasn't, AT THE TIME, able to fully detect poison, but that was a freshly awakened gojo. This Gojo is older and able to detect it
@@wishstudios4705 ehh I mean that isn't confirmed
The glaze on Gojo in the beginning was crazy 😂😂😂
Bro is just him nuff said
@@ThunderGodTG Agreed 😂🔥
The glaze wasn't even that crazy they spent the first 5 mins debunking all of higher AP and Speed calcs, making him below the Hokage stat-wise and then just proceeded to explain his abilities.
It’s not so much that he’s objectively below since you could also argue the Hokage around, more so that it shouldn’t be a night and day difference at least in my opinion. I think the speed is the bigger issue more than AP if anything, since it’s much easier to argue Lightspeed Naruto over JJK
@@ThunderGodTGspeed calcs can be such bull at times especially big 3 ones lol
Considering how grounded JJK is comparatively and how it doesn't rely on constant stat power creeps (yet) this went well
It's not naruto just has a larger scale in jjk there a lot of state power creeps too
@@orpheemulemo8053naruto had huge power creeps especially post-pain
@@omegapirate64 It was power creep but it was expected akatsuki are all stated to be S rank ninja which is the equivalent of a kage or lower Madara and Hashirama just like Sukuna were God's in the Golden age of ninja fighting the warring states were instead of children going into dangerous missions they would constantly be fighting wars and Madara and hashirama dominated that era and one of this already powerful character wants a greater power also the bijuu were established to be powerful a long while ago so adding them to your arsenal your broken
@@orpheemulemo8053 ya that’s exactly my problem with Naruto. S class ninja doesn’t mean shit, they all ABSURDLY vary in strength. And another thing is that even if things were established, it doesn’t take away the fact that the execution of said establishment was absurd. By the way, “established “ didn’t really mean much when they were like “oh yeah they are so stupidly strong bro trust me” but how strong is “stupidly strong” ? I like Naruto but damn it did NOT feel like a ninja series by the end.
@@omegapirate64 It's a ninja series yes inspired by Japanese folklore that's why the ninjas have elemental powers people say ohh it's a ninja series yet characters have God like characters have you ever read Japanese and Buddhist mythology basically filled with transcendant beings most of the names of characters abilities are named after gods in Japanese lore
Like izanagi and izanami the first time itachi introduced the latter people say plot whole or no to foreshadowed but in Japanese lore izanami and izanagi are twin God's so the very fact kishimoto but izanagi in the manga means izanami will appear soon
The akatsuki are very strong let's not say that S rank ninja means nothing because that's not thecase in the War ninjas like the five kage Ms war Kakashi who at the time reached S rank level was very useful
Even the Tsusanoo itself is a mythological reference and for example itachi and shisui two double MS wielders were shown to have incomplete Tsusanoo. Why do we know it's in complete because it's design is inspired by an armored tengu who are flying human bird warriors clad in armor and we can see itachi and shisui the higher the level the more armor they got and the bigger it got so when Madara showed off his perfect Tsusanoo for naruto fans who know Japanese mythology it was expected
Absolutely love the fact that we’re on this JJK wave rn bro 🔥
ONG time to kill the game 🔥
so cool to see where eternal flames is at now,i’ve been messing with his channel since he had like 400-600 subs and great vid
That’s my goat fr known him for a minute
I like the image of Gojo Hitting the Leonardo Dicaprio walk around Konoha until he hears a "You f*cked up, Believe it bihh" and just getting jumped
The problem with Reaper Death Seal is that Hiruzen needs to make physical contact with Gojo for the Reaper to send his hand out
Where was that stated I don't remember
Hiruzen required it because he was older and slower than Oro, he also couldn't see in the Infinite Bringer of darkness. When Minato used it, the reaper simply stretched his arm through Minato and over to the Ninetails. When orochimaru summoned it, others could see the Shinigami and the Souls even though they weren't in contact.
Are you the ThunderGod because you only upload peak, or do you only upload peak because you're ThunderGod?
11:06 tbf maho was closer to the explosion when the unlimited hollow went off so he might of just died first meaning sukuna was free to use DA again. If u don’t wanna use the that point sukuna was also able to hit gojo on a few occasions while agito and maho where gaining up on him (chapter 234 he landed that kick for example) so he doesn’t need to deactivate the shikigami to use it.
Love the gojo glaze my glorious king
Bro is just the goat
Fucking lame
THIS is what we be waiting for!!
I feel like bringer of darkness would only limit gojo to his blindfold/blackout sunglasses level instead of compleltely shutting down the six eyes
Yeah I don't really get how it's a win con when he already can sense things with the blindfold, just less.
Bringer of darkness dampens all senses except touch
@@Domingoeexcept it literally will also Dampen touch unless you really sensitive as it's literally a placebo effect
He only wins against Tsunda consistently
The same win cons for Minato apply to Tobirama too who can also use FTG to send attacks away (he was going to do this with a juubidama with Minato while it’s implied Hashirama could move multiple ones). Flying Raijin Slice would be effective then too
Did I not mention that in the vid? Edit: Just saw why people are confused peep the pinned comment
@@ThunderGodTG No worries haha I read the pinned comment. Plus y’all did say in the video you’d go in depth on FTG in Minato’s section. Makes sense and I agree!
I really appreciate you covering shikamaru since it's so recent, but its unfortunate you didnt include kakashi
Maybe he has a video in making on kakshi vs gojo😏🙃
Hokage kakashi doesn't have a chance since he lost kamui
"You know what.. eat you own Hollow purple"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. You got me here guys
This video made me realize that Tayuya counters Limitless 😂. Gojo can freely be heard and hear, meaning it either has no effect on sound or the functions of limitless are wrong. If things get slowed to relative zero around gojo, sound waves would never reach him.
If sound would harm him then its would slow down so no he does not counter
Funnily enough, Shikamaru has a very simple way to win the fight. Shadow-neck binding technique (RIP forgotten jutsu). Not only could he strangle Gojo, but we know the shadow has physical properties. So if you qanna argue that the shadow wouldn't be able to strangle Gojo for whatever reason, then you could alternatively use it to blind Gojo.
anything thats too overpowered gets buried in to the retcon wolrd
shoutout to shino
@@theinktician yup. There were so many ideas in the OG Naruto to make characters grow stronger and then they forgot all about those abilities in Shippuden. Sure, they got some new ones but they seemed weaker. I mean, look at Temari. In Shippuden she just uses her fan like she did in the chuunin exams. When she came to save Shikamaru she used a summon that leveled a forest like it was nothing. Then, it was never seen again.
So much wasted potential.
@@matus19971lol so true. For example drunken fist
That Shadow wouldn't be able to reach Gojo, there's an infinite distance between the shadow and him.
There's never once been any implication that the Nara's Shadow technique can block the vision of the Sharingan or Byakugan, therefore it shouldn't work against the Six Eyes either.
@@numberhunter62 have you like, watched the video? I'm simply going off of the statement in the video, where shadows were considered to be a viable option due to the nature of their usage and implications within JJK (which was brought up in the video) and the nature of shadows in general.
Obviously we've never seen that because this jutsu, which has physical properties, was used only once and it was not against a dojutsu user. Later on, Shikamaru was used just for binding people with his shadows like he used to when he was just a genin. In other words, you cannot say something is unlikely to be true because there is no supporting evidence, while your own claim has none. If both things have no evidence then they're as likely as they're unlikely. However, in this case, we have more implications on the side of the argument that supports the notion of it being possible due to the fact that the shadow has physical properties and was being used to incapacitate someone. Thus, it is safe to assume that if it could apply pressure to the larynx, then applying said pressure to the softer tissue of an eyeball would easily crush it. The idea of simply obscuring one's vision is based on the assumption that it could not apply enough pressure, which we have no basis for nor counterarguments. Lastly, you're forgetting that this is all speculation.
Anyone who debunks JJK light speed scaling gets an instant like from me.
Characters don't have to break the laws of physics with their speed to be good.
Danzo also has The Reverse Tetragram seal or something like that he can use after running out of izanagi
By releasing a banger as video like this gonna force me to catch up on most recent JJK. Good man lmao
I'd mention that tobirama should have minatos ftg win con too. We see him in canon teleport someone's attack back to them (jubito) so he can do the same with hollow purple. He also used the flying raijin slice so similar to ur argument for minato that should work.
I think the assumption people use that he doesn't use ftg often to dodge or counterattack during fights luke minato is just incorrect. We literally see him do that all throughout the war arc. Plus his first notable win was via ftg on izuna.
Tldr, ftg is just as much a win con for tobirama as it is for minato
ikr, people pretend like tobirama cant do what minato does when hes literally shown to do so lol. minato just has the custom kunai and the barrier jutsu that he used ftg as inspiration for, thats it, hes not faster with it or anything. Tobirama just uses more sneak attacks through more vast jutsu compared to minato only specialising in 3, ftg, sealing and rasengan
Agreed it’s more of a fighting style point as Tobirama doesn’t main FTG as his primary method of combat compared to Minato but, it’s literally the same thing since he can replicate FTG level 2 with a bit more work. I believe I mention Tobirama can do it as well in the vid. Edit: I mention this in the vid but, made a pinned comment clarifiying.
@@manny9191tobirama cannot do what minato does as he didn’t master it like most of the Justus he created stop glazing tobirama
@loveladii69 its his jutsu hes obviously a master at what he created. Minato mastered it because he learnt everything there is about it. Its not glazing its a fact simple as
@@manny9191 his jutsu of course he mastered it
The only person who mastered all of his Justus is orichimaru
Tobirama created reanimated and he didn’t have a mastered version so of course you did not watch Naruto and is just glazing tobirama because he the hokage brother he literally got dog on by 2 people with 9 tails chakra that got dog on by dauri a non Kage bro is trash
One point I’d like to bring up is that the reason that Gojo probably wasn’t able to evade the world slash was because that even though his six eyes can read a cursed technique as well as see cursed energy, on a high level of jujutsu sorcerers, their cursed energy flow is a lot more stable, so stable as to make it so a person cannot read it-even Gojo. So it’s not because of the speed of the attack that he was caught off guard.
I will say i was skeptical of sum of the stuff said about gojo (lack of teleportation, or the fact his six eyes would be able to decipher most abilities so it’d be hard to catch him off guard), but I see u taking notes in comment section and that’s dope asf. Mad respect bro💯
I also think while very few hokage have win cons, and most if not all when hit by UV would be done…the scaling difference is tough to overcome. High tiers in naruto are a different level.
Appreciate it ✊🏻yeah, I actually regret not bringing up teleportation more just kinda got a bit lost in the discussion. I also got no issues taking notes/critique since it just helps the content for the future as opposed to having a weird ego or feeling attacked.
the yugioh soundtrack in the background 🤌🏽
PEAK
Yall brought Danzo but not the Shadow Hokage? i was looking forward to it ngl
Tsunade downplay yet again... No one truly understands how strong she really is. Tsunade is genjutsu resistant much like Sakura thanks to the byakugou seal. She healed tsukuyomi side effects with basic med ninjutsu. Katsuyu is also telepathically and directly linked to the seal no matter the distance which means she can always disperse any genjutsu or mental illusions and Tsunade being a medical and combat genius will figure it out on her own. He ain't surviving a hit from her. People keep saying she's slow yet she has consistently shown to keep up with speedsters and has punched everyone she has fought.
Okay I agree with you mostly but I still don’t see how she gets through infinity
@@braxtongressett1457That's the biggest issue but even then, the arguments discussing the matchup making her out to be some neanderthal, punching at the Limitless shield as if it'll break instead of actually fighting tactically, even just punching the ground and using terrain manipulation and her superior stamina and healing factor to either outlast Gojo or find a way through is a complete disservice to her character.
@@Mrrynshe doesn’t have superior stamina. Once she releases the seal theres a limit. Gojo dont got that problem and buddy shes literally just a puncher. She has nothing to get past susanoo/ limitless. Its not math its science
She no way to punch him, infinity
Awesome video man
I think I’ve seen attacks from behind gojo get stopped by infinty so I don’t think it relies on his eyes per say it’s more like the eyes let him maintain and control the technique efficiently and properly
aint no way we putting a verse with consistent FTL feats on a guy with really nice eyes
Because people are crazy about his infinity
No one in Naruto (especially pre boruto) is FTL, or even light speed for that matter.
@@theneverwhere6076 minato arriving before his kunai’s hit, minato himself, Naruto being scaled directly and higher to minato in the later forms, sasuke scales directly with naruto, etc etc. I can pull up exact feats if you want tbh, just ask
@@thedabisme61 "minato arriving before his kunai’s hit"
Irrelevant as that's simply impossible due to how Minato's jutsu works, animation error and outlier.
"Naruto being scaled directly and higher to minato in the later forms"
Minato is nowhere near to light speed though.
"sasuke scales directly with naruto, etc etc"
Naruto was distracted by large fireball, unless ur really going to tell me how a ball of fire was FTL there.
@@theneverwhere6076 wdym you mean animation error and outlier, he arrived before all other hokages and considered a physical feat as he can’t just throw a kunai from leaf to the final battlefield. Hell vsbattles scale him to sub-relativistic since he reacted to, teleported, and came back.
Minato is MFTL+ at least.
Did you read Naruto off of tiktok my dude, there are many other examples where they are comparable in speed during and after the war
Kakashi vs Gojo speedrun
War Arc Kakashi 1 MS: Kakashi stomps, outscales Gojo and Kamui is a perfect counter to limitless
DMS Kakashi: cmon
Hokage Kakashi: based on novel feats he vastly outscales Gojo but has no way of bypassing infinity, maybe he could do something with Genjutsu but there is not enough evidence to support that, so most likely Gojo wins after sometime with Unlimited Void
Nah Gojo'd win
@@filipe7360 ok
Hear me out. Gojo hits his lightning clone and gets one shot by the shock.
No @@filipe7360
@@laurence_lookmyr Gojo can punch his a%s without lifting Limitless though.
I dont think you consider that limitless isn't some kind of suit Gojo has no control over, Limitless is extension of his will and soul, he IS limitless in a sense.
He can attack while also keeping Limitless up or shifting it.
Ayo, bakugan bgm! Didn't expect to hear it in this type of video!
Kamui makes sense to work against limitless but FTG…?? Eh not so much. The seal must be applied via touch and there is no touch to Gojo here. You can’t touch the barrier. The seal never makes contact imo.
If the seal is already on Gojo…sure.
It was more so teleporting into the limitless itself while the Kunai was suspended that’s the main point not the Kunai just bypassing limitless
@ThunderGodTG then they would be stuck inside the limitless. Infinity is not a wall, it's literally making the Infinity a reality. They will never cross that distance. None of the kage have any jutsu that can bypass the infinity.
P.S. if hey dodge the domain, they speed blitz gojo after breaking the domain.
@@ThunderGodTGwouldn’t he just teleport to where the kunai is then? If the kunai never reached gojo, how does minato?
Okay you didn’t catch what I said if he throws a Kunai and the Kunai is stuck in the Limitless Barrier Minato can alter his angle/move in the subspace beyond Space & Time and appear and Gojo. When FTG users teleport there is a radius they can appear in within the mark’s placement whether it be manual or Kunai. It’s debatable but, that was the argument being made.
That is true I actually mentioned that to someone else I do regret not discussing it as much. Gojo's teleportation ain't on the same level as Minato's tho, FTG allows it's user to literally teleport between entire dimensions due to being above any Space/Time restrictions via teleporting into it's own unique Subspace, Gojo has showcased no Teleportation feats on this level.
I don’t see how FTG is a win-con for Minato. Because my understanding is that only the *teleporation* happens through a separate subspace, and that the kunai itself travels regularly. Therefore, if Minato could tag Gojo with the FTG seal somehow, he could get past limitless, but that’s impossible because there’s no way for the regularly-traveling Kunai to get past infinity in the first place? Right? Or am I missing something?
It would literally be like the Kunai would be stuck trying to go through infinity and then Minato appears, unless Gojo outright reflects. Minato doesn’t spawn on the Kunai he can spawn on the radius around it. Granted it’s still an iffy point but more so clarifying.
@@ThunderGodTGwouldn’t minato just get expelled like Hanami did in shibuya?
Hanami was against a Wall which led to his death ( I think it’s a dude) otherwise if minato is getting pushed back he just teleports like he does while caught mid kamui
@@ThunderGodTG I agree w this one, but it does negate the ftg win con. Minato still wins overall through evasiveness and sealing. But I don’t see a pathway for ftg to play any roll offensively. It comes down to do you think the .2 sec domain is quick enough to catch Minato off gaurd directly after this interaction (it isn’t)
Agreed
There's no way bringer of darkness would remove infinity. It would make Gojo unable to see Tobirama, but he can still activate his techniques.
That was the case being made
@@ThunderGodTG ah ok I thought you guys were saying the attack would neutralize infinity and allow attacks to hit him.
@@ajdavis3607no for hashirama they did say bringer or darkness then thousand hand Buddha when in reality the thousand hand buddha still wouldn’t touch him
Bringer of Darkness would hinder Gojo’s ability to see which doesn’t inherently just neutralize infinity but, due to infinity being predicated on his visuals it makes it extremely difficult to deal with, even this is irrelevant though since Forest Bloom does kinda rip. I feel as if we did a pretty good job defining infinity in the vid and some of semantics if you want to peep, or maybe you have another interpretation which I would be super open to.
@@ThunderGodTG yeah, overall u guys were already being generous to gojo so I’m jus being nit picky at this point 😂😂 even if hashirama had no win cons (which he does) I wouldn’t dare say gojo beats him in any way shape or form lol
This is fire.
I wholeheartedly believe that Minato would stalemate Gojo, to use FTG he has to place a mark on his target, he was only able to teleport and beat Obito because he teleported to the Kunai he threw not to Obito himself. I don't see him pulling the same move on Gojo because Infinity works inherently different than Kamui.
41:54 couple of kage boy, which kage doesn't simply outstat him lol. its the kimitless hax that is saving gojo
Limitless blocks CE, and therefore would block chakra, why tf did you guys set up the equal footing to completely ignore it. The dude can’t get hit by reaper death seal or koto, the both need chakra connection to work.
Secondly if gojo has any thought he might be attacked at all limitless is up 360 and is not dropping. So unless you argue a long range win con with immense speed into an off fair gojo if he sees the opponent he’s not getting touched by anything physical or chakra related
Good notes right here I can use for future vids to address stuff appreciate it!
Haha thanks for the reply, made my day and not for nothing you are by far the best versus creator on YT.
Appreciate it my man ✊🏻 appreciate the insightful comments they actually help me a ton since I’m not too sure what sticking points I should be on for JJK stuff so it actually helps me a ton.
The fact that you seek out the points you aren’t sure ab and take different opinions in stride is just fucking awesome dude, and it’s what makes you the best in the business. Also more JJK pls
@@Tupadre97hes talking about chakra which is a physical thing
Just funded S2 - Todo comp vid next! That's my guy !
i think what makes the naruto verse in general just so much better is the massive variety and abillities, and the tons of illusion and genjutsu that just hard counter any non heavy illusion resistant character. i think naruto verse v verse in general is kinda unfair bc theres a counter to everything within naruto
if you go based of two blue vortex her mind transfer jutsu has a range of 100km around the village. and its able to bypass eidas sennrigan which can see all things around the world presently and in the past.
Pretty sure that's just her sensory range
limitless isn’t considered a barrier, it’s a technique gojo perfected to use at all times that works automatically. Gojo also uses RCT to heal his mind at all times so it is really hard to fatigue him. Also, Hollow Purple works similar to truth seeking orbs so it removes anything from existence when it touches them.
When has it ever been stated or demonstrated to remove anything it touches from existence?
If it was ever stated to remove anything from existence it touches that has been debunked direclty by the manga cause Sukuna survived, without using domain amp cause Maho’s wheel didn’t go black
@@TheEternalFlame57 Sukuna and Gojo both used cursed energy and simple domain, it doesn't make Gojo or Hollow Purple weaker, it just makes Sukuna and cursed energy in general stronger, as it technically is subjective reality warping, Kenjaku and Mahito talked on that.
It also doesn't help any of Kage as they cant repeat things Sukuna did, so good luck to them.
@@TheEternalFlame57 it literally doesn't it is not existence erasure it is Atomic Erasure So Yes You Can Tank it lol
@@kaizel2264 That's what I am saying man, we on the same side lol
If the kauni hit limitless wouldnt it bounce off and minato just teleport to the kauni so the how would minato hurt gojo without waiting for gojo to turn off limitless. But gojo hax just allows him fight high tier characters which makes the fights interesting.
@@alfonsuskristo1624 Speculation^^^
The Naruto vs Bleach parallel brought me back to the gud ol 2010's
Reverse technique comes from the head that's why you get your head chopped off you obviously can't use it but everything else when it comes to curse energy if I recall does come from the gut I think lol
Good video.
Just one comment about the Minato fight, idk if the kunais would bypass infinity.
Shouldn’t matter since as you said Minato can just throw back any and all of Gojo’s attacks and he is way faster and he also is a genius fighter in a world of genius fighters.
But at least I will give Gojo that unknown clash in that particular matchup
Yessir! Always a good day when TG uploads
Nice video, music this time was bit too distracting
too loud?
@@ThunderGodTG I def was distracted the entire time Evil Desires from DBZ UT was playing
27:40 RTC has a cool down thats what made gojo lose (he can heal from being stabbed in the head).
14:21 you are wrong here too (the cleave sukuna used was not a curse technique) narrator explained in manga
Hey what's the music during the minato and hashirama segments
Time stamp it
@@ThunderGodTGthe music from 31:19 to 37:39, and the music from 37:39 to 42:02
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@@ThunderGodTG appreciate it. Btw, great vid
Idk if infinity blocks gaseous based attacks. It didn't stop Hanami's pollen. We don't know why it bypasses it but I have a few theories.
If infinity doesn't work on attacks Gojo can't percieve, then reaper death and hasirama's pollen works.
If it is a size thing explosions, Wind, lightning release also works.
38:50 Gojo can telepoort so zoning is not an option
Isn't it nescessary for Minato to place a mark on Gojo actual body first ?
Not really as long as he is in the Path Of the Seal Minato Could just slice space time Itself by slicing Inside the subspace as he arrives in the Space where gojo resides
Blue eyed king is CRAZY
LMAOOO 😂😂
Blue eyed king = Naruto Sooo tru DATTEBAYO
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Kenjaku: the biggest little man btw, saying that special grade status is literal nation levels at least
i would argue he could regenerate limbs based of the fact orochimaru who gain his healing fractor from just some of hasiramas cells was able to regenerate his arm and called victors regen flawed despite victor being able to regenerate his head
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Quick question, couldn’t you make the argument that the third could also use bringer of darkness because he was the second’s student?
Reaper Death Seal would work if Hiruzen can touch Gojo. A way to nullify Infinity is by touching Gojo. I recall this being mentioned in the Sukuna fight.
Touching Gojo doesn't cancel Infinity, just Unlimited Void.
Bro reading sorcery fight
Flying raijin is moving oast soace and time but only to somewhere where you mark. If he throughs the kunai the kunai wouldnt make it past the infinite barrier. So even if he teleports to the kunai he is still outside of limitless. He would have to somehow touch gojo physically to mark him
This felt very hokage biased. Any time an interaction was seen as 50/50 or even “maybe” possible the benefit of the doubt was always given to the hokage. Here’s a Gojo biased review.
Tsunade: cannot touch Gojo in any way. Just gets UV instantly. Also no reason to think Gojo would drop his domain before she dies and let her heal. Dagon kept his domain open for days when he was still a cursed womb. Yuta kept his open for at least a minute fighting sukuna. Plus Gojo could hollow purple her while she is stunned.
Hiruzen: there are three win conditions he “has”. Shadow possession, mind transfer, and reaper death seal. Shadow possession never catches anyone while they are airborn. Gojo is always using infinity on his whole body meaning shadow possession is not affecting him. There is no reason the infinity would work like a cup being over Gojo and not fully enveloping him. Every time shadow possession is about to catch someone they jump away. Gojo is just not getting affected. Mind transfer is not getting past infinity. It has a travel speed and therefore will never reach him through infinity. Third reaper death seal. Nothing ever implies it has infinite range but we know it travels therefore infinity just stops it. Then same story infinite void kills.
Tobirama: no win condition. Video mentions the darkness genjustu stopping infinity but that’s kind of ridiculous. Firstly six eyes visual prowess does not equal the more effective cursed energy control. This is clear because during the sukuna fight Gojo gets his eye slashed while trapped in shrine. It’s never stated this drops his usage of cursed energy or infinity at all. Also if that was the case sukuna would have just focused the eyes so Gojo no longer has his advanced control of cursed energy that was letting him blast RCT. So now that we know tobirama has no win cons he just gets hollow purpled/UV/beat to death because Gojo has all the time in the world.
Minato: also can’t get through infinity.I agree hollow purple could just be redirected towards Gojo but given that it affects him less this will not one shot and Gojo therefore won’t use it again. No way flying raijin goes through infinity either. It could if Gojo was already tagged with a seal but he teleports to the marks. If he can’t mark Gojo he can’t tp to him. It was mentioned he could not teleport directly to his mark and just a little bit away to hit Gojo but this leniency he has with his teleportation is not infinite. If it was he would only have one mark and then just go anywhere. And because this leniency of his tp isn’t Infinite it can’t travel through an infinite distance that is infinity. I will say though I don’t think Gojo could catch minato in UV/HP because his TP is just that fast and so is his reactions. Therefore it’s a stalemate or a 50/50 whether Gojo gets lucky and catches Minato or Minato gets lucky with Gojo missing an UV and killing him during the technique burnout.
Hashirama: already discussed how bringer of darkness won’t work. Only other win con is the gas but that wouldn’t stop infinity anyway because it works from his brain not muscles leading to a draw. Also I doubt it would go through infinity because that Gojo who couldn’t figure out how to stop poisons wasn’t even able to use DE and current Gojo has a mastered DE. So logically he would have figured out the poison too. Also he could react to gas easily by just teleporting out. I don’t think Hashirama is as fast as Minato but if Gojo can’t get him with a normal domain he could just tp next to hashirama then use his 200 meter DE he used against sukuna. After that he could just hold it till Hashirama dies or because Hashirama is stunned HP probably one shots since Hashirama won’t be defending.
Kakashi: honostly just a fight of who uses their best ability first. If kakashi uses Kamui he goes through infinity because kamui goes it a place kakashi sees. It also doesn’t have travel time. But if Gojo just uses DE he wins. 50/50
Naruto: frog kata doesn’t have inf range so it can’t hit Gojo. Honestly Gojo can’t hit Naruto at all and Naruto can’t hit Gojo so tie
Ten shadows is proof that shadow possession would work, and Gojo can’t block everything stop being a dumbass it’s stated otherwise. It’s literally stated the six eyes give him buffed curse energy control and he needs them to use infinity(he states anyone who can control their energy as precise as him can use it)
Infinity can only block things on a atomic level anything below that gets block, reaper death seal isn’t physical and doesn’t abide by infinity
I thought Cursed Techniques take a while to be used after a Domain, which is why Gojo wanted to scoop Sukuna out instead of just blasting him.
Gojo does have the ability to use Reversed Cursed Technique to heal his exhausted cursed techniques post Domain so it generally doesn’t apply to him like Yuta notes
Insert that one "except for gojo" meme lmao like for everyone else in jjk ye you right but gojo built that different
4:56 “every single character should be landing black flashes” problem with this is that not every single character would scale to this also, CE application doesn’t necessarily have to match movement speed.
Saying every character needs to move at this speed was a bit to general of a statement, so my bad.
The issue is we know what happens when CE application does not match the movement speed. The divergent fist. Not every character is having the divergent fist happen, furthermore they use CE to amp themselves to move at this speed.
Gojo would be able to see the reaper before it even grabs Gojo because Gojo can perceive the soul with his 6 eyes
5:22 it's funny how gojo debunk it recently lol
Dame needa start watching this show.
Gojo is one of the few anime dudes able to weaponize PTSD. Tsunade is cooked
your interpretation of the limitless i disagree with, i lean towards it being like broken ronin said, a closed door that he chooses to open whenever he sees fit, so the genjutsu argument i dont see working because ocular genjutsu for it to work, the chakra has to travel to your eyes and be injected into you, the limitless would just prevent the chakra from ever reaching him.
This is an interesting interpretation appreciate the insight! I will say tho ocular jutsu does not always need chakra to be injected into the opponent that’s more so for Koto, it actually varies as ocular genjutsu controls the chakra in the opponents head.
@@ThunderGodTG yeah my mistake I should of just specified for sharingan genjutsu
No worries appreciate the perspective helps me be more accurate with the JJK stuff
Is this equal stats or something? Because on many of these points the hokages should blitz gojo with those techniques (shadow paralysis) that bypass limitless
We make a point about that in the vid
Wasnt hidan able to dodge and run away from shadow paralysis?
No that was Teen Shikimaru lmao you don’t think he gets any stronger? Despite having better feats as an adult? Is teen Shikimaru dodging a kick from Delta? Stop it now
@@ThunderGodTG This highlights one of my problems with power scaling. We shouldn't put too much weight behind shikamaru dodging an attack from delta. Using power scaling logic, shikamaru dodging the kick makes him faster than every character in shippuden. We all know kishimoto didnt intend for us to trhink shikamaru is as fast as minato.
Another example is sakura punching kaguya. Power scalers say sakura is above jubidara because her punch moved kaguya's head. When in reality, we all know that wasn't kishimotos intent.
Teleportation working either assumes there's some range close to him where limitless doesn't work or apply OR assumes it works because it's a spatial ability
Neither which works
He'd just tekeport a hairs length away and still be stopped. You can be right next to him, a millimeter away and you'll still stop
The flying thunder god is a weird one and im not sure it could bypass limitless because it dosent have the same rules as Obitos timer/touching something manifests him. I think infinity is a hard counter to flying thunder god because you cant get a marked seal into that barrier. The hollow purple could work, but while I can imagine that somehow minato could manage to get through, I dont see how. Like literally how can he get a mark past an infinite barrier, its not like minato can just open holes in spacetime without a marker.
If Makima vs Gojo was crazy, just imagine Minato one-tapping Gojo
If amplification works on infinity shouldn't chackra amped punches work too? ESPECIALLY with top tier naruto characters with insane speed and strength
Isnt th black flash thing more so you need to release cursed energy at a millionth of a second not landing physical attacks at a millionth of a second?
What’s the music @39:04? It’s gas
its actually pretty easy to differentiate the attacks which in one of them kashimo sends out an attack with his mouth which sukuna referes to as "too loud" which lines with the phenomenon of constructive interference. Now constructive interference works like this *When Two sound waves of the same frequency that are perfectly aligned have a phase difference of 0 and are said to be "in phase." Two waves that are in phase add to produce a sound wave with an amplitude equal to the sum of the amplitudes of the two waves. This process is called "constructive interference. Constructive interference can amplify sound, leading to louder noises* , now the first attack kashimo used was the sound waves, and the second one was the electromagnetive waves one.
And as for the black flash, gojo explains how black flashes work in chapter 256 where he mentions the term "blend" which is something he reffered to as something like environment or whatever, "its not just about the timing of the jot. depending on the blend, its a tossup" gojo states that its not about the timing but also about the blend or whatever which changes depending on the environment and EVEN your opponents cursed energy matter's at this point not only that your own physical condition matters obviously and gojo also adds up that even humidity and temperature matters.
IS THAT THE BAKUGAN PS2 SOUNDTRACK????
Being generous the video
If Sukuna can just catch a 200% hollow purple when caught lackin, Hashirama’s catching that and stopping it with the just wood golem
Just because a domain is an island does not main that character is or is not "island level" if that was the case Gojo literally makes and infinite void in his domain, so is he infinitely powerful? No. Use some common sense please
Yes Gojo is
Too many people take light speed literally in anime. In japanese it is a common expression to mean really fast. In the American football anime called Eyeshield 21 the main character doing a relatively fast 40 meter dash was called speed of sound. And an American who was 0.1 seconds faster was called speed of light. If any of them were actually light speed then they would be able to move across the earth in the blink of an eye. But they always have really long travel times.
bro by default scaled all the characters to above island level? my god man..
Insanely goofy to see another content creator make comments like this and misinterpret what we’re saying, do you not think all the Hokage aren’t island level in AP lmao?
@@ThunderGodTG misinterpret? im sorry did you NOT say that??? how tf can i misinterpret a quote? but im goofy..?
@@ThunderGodTG do you come at anyone who disagrees with ya this hostile? yikes. you can just delete my comment g. i dont debate with hot heads who cant explain with reason and just jumps to insults, lol i thought one piece fans were bad. unsubscribed for sure. been watching you for a min before my channel. guess a few subs turns ya into someone who only likes echo chambers.
That might have been my reading into your response some type of way but, the comment came off a bit disrespectful my B if that's not how you meant it or it wasn't, it was just a surface level comment that had a negative vibe to it and wasn't really a critique which is why I responded like that, it's also easy to misinterpret shit in comments which is why I'm taking the time to clarify. Making blankets statements like "subs" changed me when you don't know me is super corny tho let's not do that, hopefully this cleared the air a bit.
You can also just blatantly see from the comments I'm openly interacting with people and taking in the info so again let's not say stuff that's just not true.
In conclusion - Minatos Flying thunder is insanely broken ability esp since he can spam this attack
I was curious how Hokage Kakashi could bypass limitless besides outstating. Still fun video
title should be "EVERY Hokage except Kakashi"
Where is kakashi???
I explain in the vid homie
Should be interesting
What’s goody
What's the name of the version of passionate duelist theme that starts at around 13:55?
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@@ThunderGodTG thanks a lot
Kakashi Win Cons WITHOUT Kamui - 1. Out right Speed blitz. 2. Dopple Gangers. He wouldn't need more than 2 or 3. He just needs Gojo to use his Domain Once and he's smarter than Naruto. 3. Being lightspeed and Smarter than Shikamaru... Kakshi throws 2 Kunai at infitiy and instantly figures out hes can't can't hit him directly. Now you're telling me out of this mans bag of 1000 ( Minimum) Jutsu at a Hokage level can't figure anything out?
But random ladys pollen tho...
I do agree kakashi has mad versatility, but when is he light speed? When is that stated or shown?
And wouldn’t that not make sense given his go to and second most powerful jutsu is lightning timer ? If his normal speed is faster than his lightning blade then he would need his sharingan active just to move around
@@tjadams98 please go watch any of the recent Kakashi scaling videos on UA-cam over the past 5-10 years
10:12 Blue and Red does not make the color green.
Filter for copyright made it green come on bro lmao
I know this is a video about the Kage vs Gojo but how do you think Boruto (BTV)scales against Gojo???