This ONE Fix Could Change The Way The NextGen Car Races At Short Tracks | Dale Jr. Download
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- The NextGen car has produced some incredible racing at tracks like Kansas, Charlotte, and Atlanta, but has struggled at short tracks and road courses. Kevin Harvick understands the nuances of what it takes to change the car as a whole, but simply put, he feels the cars should have more horsepower. Watch his take on the video.
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Kevin is spot on with higher entry speeds into turns and having to wait or apply the throttle differently. Another 100-150 horsepower (or more) would be welcomed by most drivers and fans.
Don’t give those DBC fools any kudos
Agree 100% I'm tired of watching momentum races
@@AIC5150 Horsepower made this sport. Arguing against it just plain stupid.
100% agree
The King said give em 800hp and let em race again! Seen it on a Short yesterday
Kevin is going to add some much needed seriousness and depth to the Fox booth. 96 days and counting.
He won’t be able to get a word in with Clint constantly talking over everybody. Unless he’s replacing Clint which would be nice.
Can we get Kevin on the Podcast every other week next year? Going to miss seeing him so freaking much not behind the wheel. Bring back the 900hp cars!
The 900hp would fix a lot
Kevin and Dale make a great team. We need this to be a weekly deal
I could listen to Kevin and Jr talk all night about racing. Really great show
I really appreciate Jr and Harvick being in the position they are in now, to advocate for the sport
Let’s start a petition to get Dale Jr. And Kevin to manage competition for NASCAR.
Where do I sign
Nah, Godhardt's porridge brains came up with the overtime line and he was hollering about the valence without understanding why the splitter is actually more effective.
They already help manage/part own the Cars tour. They do a great job over there.
Better yet, buy Flo Racing and support the CARS Tour, you know... The series they ALREADY OWN TOGETHER...
@@FloridaManRacer I do. I think that's why people would be a fan of them doing that in nascar too.
I remember those just absolutely insane 1000 horsepower monsters that used to scream around the tracks. I don't know if we should push them that hard again, but imagine one of these next gen cars with 850-875 horsepower thundering off into the corner at Kansas or screaming down into 3 and 4 at Martinsville making the tires absolutely question why they were ever created as they gripped into the track with whatever they could muster. That could potentially get us back to the old "twisted sister" days with the added saftey of today. That could make for some absolutely incredible racing.
I am of the opinion that top-level series exist to push limits, but if the manufacturers throw a hissy fit then 800+ is at least a solid starting point.
Twisted Sister days? I'm a fan, but I don't get the reference.
@@thezombie7839 so the twisted sister was the slang name given to the gen 4 cars before the COT came in 08. It was pretty much flat on the passenger side and all rounded and shaped on the drivers side. I suggest getting on Google and looking up Nascar Gen 4 Twisted Sister car
@@thezombie7839 Back in the mid-2000's the cars became extremely asymmetrical in their body design for aero reasons. If you look up "Twisted Sister NASCAR" you'll see how radically different the left side of the body is from the right side, and this was all to maximize performance at a counterclockwise oval.
Look at Ta Trans am cars. 850-900hp NASCAR engines. It’s proven to work for them.
I miss the low downforce / high HP circa 2014, or even better the '03-'06 package with 925+hp and smaller brakes. Drivers used to burn the brakes off them and the noses would lift 4-6-inches under power off turns at Martinsville with those soft rear springs.
The problem was Toyota kept blowing up their engines. They were the ones who pressured NASCAR to lower the horsepower.
High downforce was used in 2014
@@ChrisMolyneaux93 Wasn't the case
@@Michael29Shell which team do you work for?
@@cliff4695 it is common knowledge that NASCAR used High downforce in 2014. NASCAR said so themselves when they released the package in 2013. IDK why fans hated it then.
I hope they try a narrower tire. I know it would be a big expense for rims, but less surface area = less grip which means earlier braking, slower corner speeds, throttle input has a much greater impact
Correct!
That expense would be 10 times more than adding horsepower
Or grooved slick tires like they had in F1 from 1998 to 2008.
Bring back the HP!!!!
@@VladimirBlarp Adding horsepower doesn't fix the problems caused by having too much tire. All of this tire(they made them nearly 1.5" wider than the old 15s, even though they pulled a ton of HP out of them) is the reason why switching to a softer compound doesn't make them fall off sooner - they're SO damn big, they have SO damn much thermal mass that they can't overheat them to make them fall off. Horsepower may help wear out the rears sooner... but these are also professional race cars drivers with real throttle control, so I wouldn't go banking on a drastic difference in rear tire wear just because you may assume that they're going to being doing burnouts out of every corner. Still aren't going to wear out the fronts either of course.
They could ballast the cars up to 4000lbs to put more heat into those 14.3" worth of tire at each corner, but I don't believe anyone really thinks that's a good idea. Maybe take a ton of aero away(like seems to be popular), but that's pretty sketchy to rely so heavily on pure mechanical grip on the high speed ovals. It's lot harder to recover a push up truck without downforce on the nose; it's a lot harder to recover a slide mid-corner without rear downforce - would likely be more cars into the wall, which no one wants.
It'll be a painful switch for everyone involved - but they just need to rip the band-aid off sooner than later, because there aren't any shortcuts to fixing having too much tire. More horsepower is probably needed(unless they took like 3" of tire away or something drastic that actually paired with their HP target) too, but it isn't fixing the problems caused by the tire.
A couple of the best!
Another GREAT interview with questions that only a driver/car owner could come up with to another driver/owner as always well done guys!
Everyone talks about horsepower, and I’m sure that would solve a lot of the issues, but my thoughts also go to when NASCAR got rid of the minimum ride height and how that changed the racing as well
I always said that was the change that made the cars too aero dependent.
I agree. That's definitely a factor. How much, I don't know, but when you're talking fractions of an inch here and there for gains, something like ride height is definitely going to be a factor.
@@nomadman5288 I mean, we know it’s a factor because when they got rid of that rule the cars started making way more grip and going faster. If I remember correctly, it’s one of the reasons that led to them reducing horsepower because the cars were going so much faster. It started with tapered spacers in 2015 and led to the 550 package in 2019.
Just my 2 cents
100%. Chad Knaus called them out about it on live TV at Talladega a few years ago and hadn’t been invited back to the booth since
I’ve wondered for years why NASCAR didn’t allow big power but drastically reduce aero and make the tires hard and skinny.
To reduce costs for all teams is why.
@@DV1287😂 every time nascar makes a rule to “reduce costs” they literally go up and always have
You don't want hard tires. Hard tires allow for consistent lap times throughout a run with Iittle to no wear which keeps the cars all running the same rough lap times and makes for follow the leader. You want a softer tire that starts fast and falls off hard, with high HP so that its put in the drivers hands to save their stuff. This will lead to a bigger lap time variance which equals passing.
@@DV1287 That's worked out really well. How many cars show up for qualifying now lololol.
@@tritontransportlike fuel injection to help fuel mileage. 1k carb replaced by 25k ecu and injection setup..fuel mileage was identical lol.
I love hearing Kevin talk racing. You can tell he still and will always love it!
Kevin will be great in the both next year. I wasn’t a fan a few years ago but I have grown to respect and appreciate him the last few years.
Fans and drivers have been complaining about the continual reductions in horsepower for years and nascar remains tone deaf. Big shock. In the last 4 years, I went from being a diehard fan, never missing a race, spending thousands on merch, and race tickets to barely watching. And with Kevin retiring, I doubt I’ll watch a single race next year unless the Steve and Steve show get their fingers out of their asses and start listening. Their sole focus has been trying to find ways to bunch these cars up at the expense of driver talent input. Obviously, looking at the tv ratings, I’m not the only one that feels that way.
I stopped being dedicated to watching nascar consistently the day of summer Atlanta in 2022. Yes my boy Chase won but it’s not been the same since this next gen showed up. Then I went on vacation and all of this other stuff spent more time with family and missed even most of the coke 600. I forced myself to watch xfinity at Las Vegas this fall and fell asleep. I fall asleep in alot of races. I fell asleep watching fall Daytona too. I still love the sport but I enjoy playing it more on iRacing than watching it on tv but watching it in person is great if I ignore the empty seats and pretend it’s the golden age.
I listen to he entire podcast. Kevin has a really good head hon his shoulders. Awesome interview.
I liked the conversation. Answers are hard to find as far as rules & manufacturers are concerned. I remember quite a few years ago, an interview that Richard Petty gave went something like this. "NASCAR wants 43 cars fightin' for the lead on the last lap. But we all know that just ain't gonna happen."
more power is always the answer
Not going to be the same without Harvick. I remember when he jumped over the car and grabbed Biffle
Pretty sure that was when he earned the nickname “Happy”.
Thank you Kevin. Yes please give the hp back. That really would help so many things.
Really gonna miss seeing Harvick on the race track as well as listening to Mike Davis 3 times a week.
I’d love to know what drivers Junior didn’t like, or who he thought “wasn’t a good dude”.
Harvick, perhaps? 🤣🤣🤣 I think the knowing laughs mighta spoken volumes here.
It was Harvick for a long time, but, obviously, they patched things up sometime in 2022 hence the Dale Jr Download season finale interview with Harvick a year ago.
@@gothard5 : I know they patched things up - but not until Jr. had been in the booth for a couple of years! Jr. was talking about his thought process at the time that he retired and went to the booth. At that time, Harvick may well have been on the list of guys he wasn't looking forward to saying nice things about!
Kyle Busch prolly on that list......and a lot of others if we're being completely honest lmao
(This is coming from a former die-hard JGR Toyota _loyalist_ btw)
Great interview. Educated is a word that comes to mind. Thanks kevin and jr
I like that he said the driver should have to think about how to apply the throttle. The harder the cars are to drive, the more driver input is needed which makes for more of a driver's race than it is now.
Kevin echoing what I've been saying this entire time. Everybody and their long gone ancestors seems to understand this except NASCAR, or they do but they're just too stubborn to get out of their own way.
I actually believe that the "short track package" aero-wise should be the base package w/ the final output at 750-775HP.
agreed. give them more horsepower. do what you want at the superspeedways if nascar wants to restrict them but release the krakken on everything else. they can only go so fast into the turns. let them rip. thats what the fans want and it will increase the quality of the racing
Putting the horse power back, puts the race back in the drivers hands and that is what this sport needs before they lose the rest of the fans
Exactly. They've already lost over 75% of their lifelong diehard fans like me.
@@howabouthetruth2157and they may lose me next year
FINALLY! A driver comes out on the lack of actual team-to-driver(s) communication. It's such a big gap that is unknown, yet, obvious. Overall, I appreciate the open to change of upper echelon NASCAR folks today. The era of putting a lid on it under Brian was non-productive and becoming a thing of the past. While they seem to point at cost within the P&L of equipment for teams and manufacturers, for some reason they don't look at P&L from a fan, viewer or driver perspective (IMHO). Where the "P" tips the balance. Odd. They want to keep this package appealing to other manufacturers (My #1 guess here is Honda) they also need to keep the package a marketable product. Crazy balance and transition for the sport.
Kevin is 100% racer i like hearing him talk
The 550hp package a few years ago was worse than the COT or anything they have done with the points. They ruined the championship years ago and I stayed a fan, then they ruined the races when they switched to 550hp on the intermediates.
But we don’t have to worry about that any more. The racing on the intermediate tracks with the Gen 7 is the best racing we have now.
@@hunternixonfishing2500 I agree. The new car is a lot better than the 550 package on the old car.
All I know is the current package on short tracks is so pathetic that when I saw the Martinsville race come on on one of the TVs at the gym, I thought the field was under caution… when it was actually a green flag run.
I got heated when I found out they were dropping the horsepower to 750 from 900+, I got frustrated when it STAYED that way, and I got out when they dropped it again to 550. The joy of full-on NASCAR Cup cars USED to be that they were a complete handful. Now they make less power than a Mustang GT with headers and a tune, and it's made them predictable.
The cars are tight because they can't spin up the rears as easily to correct the balance. They're aero-dependent because they don't have the power to make throttle control a relevant skill on corner exit. The tires aren't wearing out because they're under less stress in general.
Here's an easy fix to a problem NASCAR themselves caused by not heeding the results of the DIRECT COMPARISON they made during the 2015 season: TAKE THE DAMN PLATES OFF.
Awesome insight from harvick and jr.
We are so lucky to have these 1000 horsepower fire breathing dragons underneath the hood of these race cars and yet they're restricted down to 700 ish. It's just not as fun, Period. When I go back and watch older races 2014 and older, they sounded so good, they just sounded unbelievable
“MORE POOWAH, BABY!”
-James Pumphrey of Donut Media. That’s all we need in Short tracks and Road/Street courses. Hopefully NASCAR will get the onions out of their collective ears and simply listen.
The good news is in the state of nascar press conference they said everything is on the table as far as changes they can make to the next gen car
Can I get an AMEN for more HP?
MO Power! Yes!
IMO it will separate the driver talent.
181mph pole speed at Talladega is sad! Might as well make 160mph max speed
Remember this, 1970 the cars were running a lot of stock oem components, running 200 mph on super tracks on tires that you wouldnt want on your daily driver. Things could be made a lot simpler than it is today
And people died every other week and failures happened every other lap.
@loveracing1988 read history, no they didn't. While injury may have been higher, they made the cars as fast with less bs. You missed the point.
GREAT INTERVIEW !
I can’t wait to hear his commentary next year
Kevin is got a good head on his shoulders and I think he's going to add a lot to the booth and I pray Nascar will take notes and take action to improve the action on the track. It needs to go back to how it was in the early days where driver's had to fight to race an ill handling car. Driver's need to be able to pass and not stay bunched together. I personally wish they would do away with the stage racing. I don't know of but one driver that might be able to race a straight 400-600 miles/laps that's racing now. I'm not a big fan of his but he would be up to the challenge. There's 3 tracks specifically I would love to see how the driver's would hold up going from start to finish and have to strategically decide when to pit and race non-stop flag to flag. That's Bristol, Charlotte and Darlington. North Wilkesboro would be great too.
This is my argument for Indycar as well 950hp all day every day
My takeaway, Kevin, is extremely smart and knows how to fix these cars. I'm not sure why Nascar does not take their ideas and try it.
Because NASCAR is pigheaded
The part of all of this that boggles my mind is NASCAR sitting here for a decade saying they want more manufacturers and that's why we have less power. Well I don't see anyone knocking NASCAR's door down, and the cars are basically in a middle ground between GT3 cars and Aussie V8 Supercars and not putting on a good enough show to attract manufacturers. In the end, do what got you popular in the first place. Big power, hard to drive... That's what a NASCAR Stockcar needs to be.
How to fix nascar:
Scrap the next gen add xfinity car to cup with some changes to make them cup ready
900 hp everywhere 750 hp on superspeedways
Full season points format
Numbers back in the middle
Better marketing
They want the future stuff run bio fuels, electric garbage is not the answer and will kill the sport.
@@drewhalloran9 First off, the way the industry is going, the best thing NASCAR can do is kill off the Cup Series that costs $50 mil a year to run in it's current form, and do a consolidation. Second, Make it the Xfinity Cup Series with a budget cap of $12mil because that's what top teams are currently spending... THAT will reign in costs, allow for one company to sponsor a car all year long which helps build brand identity, and as good as the racing is in Xfinity, don't change ANYTHING about the cars. I mean they're already 700hp which is more than the Cup cars currently are, and you're not making them spend more on engines... then do the full points format and fix the numbers and you've got something worth paying attention to...
@@drewhalloran9ass
@@johnhaas2523 don’t describe yourself that way it’s self deprecating.
HP -- I am confused -- The Garage 56 Chief says they used a basically used a Standard LONG BLOCK in the 850hp LeMans car -- WTF !!!
The car was lighter so could go faster
If NASCAR was is charge of baseball, the baseball would be the size of a basketball, the bat would be a 3/4” inch diameter titanium bat and the they would run the bases backward. Then after they pissed all the diehard fans off after completely changing the game that is timeless and never needed changed, they would introduce a football into the mix.
Horse power is excitement gotta love it
I have agreed on Kevin
I'm not a fan of Kevin but I loved this interview
I FULLY AGREE WITH MR. HARVICK !!!!!! DO ANY OF NASCAR EXECUTIVE RACED HIGH-POWER RACE CARS???? I DON'T THINK SO. WHAT DO THEY KNOW ABOUT DRIVING A RACE CAR ???????
This is why it will be nice having him in the booth next season
This world is getting to the point that NASCAR needs to become it's own thing. Nobody cares as much anymore about Chevrolet, Toyota, and Ford. It's time to just make a racing series because the product itself would succeed without manufacturing money if it's entertaining enough.
Spot on Kevin.
I'm not sure why I don't hear more about adjusting the size of the tire as the fix. In moving to the Next Gen tire, the width increased enough that it was almost equivalent to adding a 5th tire to the car. Taking the width back to the previous width would slow the mid corner speeds in a similar way to adding HP. I'm sure the crew chiefs would also like to see the wheel size maybe come down to 17in, as it would give a little spring rate back to the tire and allow for a little more adjustability. Just my thoughts.
GREAT INFORMATION !
More HP and get rid of the splitter and get some air under the car. Got to get these drivers off the gas and on the brakes in the corners. Make them hard as heck to handle in the corners.
Putting more power and actually making the drivers have to think and drive the car it might make watching the races fun again
Fans: "Give the cars more horsepower"
Drivers: "Give the cars more horsepower"
NASCAR: "Nah"
Harvick has really matured. He was a borderline punk when he started but now he is a true man.
I would love to see way more off throttle and who can get back to the gas first battles
I thought for sure he was going to first say Joey
I’ve got a suggestion for Kevin Harvick, follow Tony Stewart in his footsteps and take Delena with you. Try to race a top fuel car maybe
It was interesting to hear Jr. talking about Logano at the beginning. Lol😂😂😂
I think Kevin harvick going to do a great job fox sports and I hope he has long career
Great analysis!
Love it, love it, love it
I didnt realise the cars were down that much power, but Ive thought for a while on the road coarses the cars should have more power it would make those races more exciting. But the points Kevin brings up about power are great points.. Bring back the Power. Nascar only making 550hp?? A stock much GT makes 460... Helcats 700 or so.. Come on NAScar bring back the 850hp motors lets get some...
Hellcats have forced induction. But I do agree: NASCAR needs to lay off with all of their stupid, limiting rules and allow more HP back into these engines. But what the hell does my say have........I turned my back on nascar cup racing years ago. And I was a diehard fan from the very 1st start to finish televised race back in the 70's. They've really ruined this sport in every way they could come up with.
HP is Not the Only Fix. More Narrow Tire & little to no Down force on short tracks will Help tremendously. The more narrow tire isn't An OEM problem it A good year problem. Trust. Science LESS grip will make the Cars slower& harder to drive. That's what Fans& NASCAR want. A car That blows the Tires off if Ya can't control the HP you Have with the Go pedal
Come On Dale. Make the Case for A more Narrow Tire& little to No Downforce for short Tracks be 100% real. 300hp or 5000 HP a narrow tire will Make A difference.
The more rubber build up on the track the softer you go with the tire. So makes sense the softer tire last longer and goes faster
While it is cost prohibitive, changing the smaller width of the tread pattern would make the cars harder to drive. But, maybe that is something to change for the next generation car.
The last 5% of performance is 95% of the cost.
Keep the horsepower but increase the torque level.
That changes acceleration off the corner and during restarts.
Good info.
0:35 I want to know who specifically Dale is referring to here 😂
Kevin is right about the horsepower, Joey lagano's been saying this for 2 years we need a 1000 horsepower.
I want to see 1000hp cup cars again at short and intermediate track i think the plate track package is perfect
Keep the tire the same height but make the wheel a little smaller
Give these guys a little more sidewall so these guys aint snapping loose and spinning out
Just a thought!!
Imagine a small whipple on the engine. Without leaning harder on parts, to a degree. The horsepower could be played with track to track while still being cost effective.
Kevin will probably own a cup team at some point. So much already invested.
he’ll buy into shr
I wonder what auto club is going to look like when they get done reconfigurating it into a short track. I'm still hurt about it lol
I thought they scrapped that idea
a parking lot or an office building
Until things are better for getting loans and what not your not going to see a new track
Half assed and pointless. Like everything else in this worthless state.
@@rdaws73 nope they already have started tearing up parts of turns 1&2 and 3&4.
The answer has always been more power and less downforce. If they upped the power and raised the car just a bit, then that's a show.
More power, less aero, and more driver input....this is all we want.
Hey any y'all got that tungsten?
Nascar started the 550 package in 2018-2019 to accommodate the awful talent that was coming to cup because of money. Adding HP will further show that the best drivers in North America are not racing in cup.
As long as drivers are buying their way into cup, they’ll never increase HP
Its rare to hear a driver say something is too easy to drive. NASCAR managed to build a car that drives better than its predecessor, and behaves differently because you don't have to tune around built in inefficiency. teams clearly wanted more power even from early testing because the cars could handle it.
I think the delay in giving this HP comes from the fact that if you give an inch, teams will take a mile. once that extra HP comes there is no telling how quick and potentially dangerous the cars can get on any given track.
Well spoken Kevin.Harvick, let's hope somebody listens. When it comes to announcing the races I think the hardest part will be trying to get any words in over Clint Bowyer lol.(If Clint's coming back)
Kevin made some great points, but heres something we also need to talk about... The lower series cars have more power than the cup series. There's not a single racing organization on the world where you go up in tier, and down in power except NASCAR. Kids at 15 years old in ARCA have more powerful race cars than the "best of the best" in the cup series and that is an absolute JOKE.
Xfinity series has the same amount but because of the design of the car they are going faster as don't have slots in the rear window or vent in the windshield unlike the cup series
Next gen. Big tech. Analytics. Computerized this and that....screw all that stuff. Give me back carbs, more air, and horsepower. We don't want a reinvented IROC series. Racing was never better than it was in the 80's and 90's...and not just because the Intimidator was on the track. The only thing better today IMO is the safety of the cars and the Chase format. I was against the Chase format for a while but have come around on that. But the racing itself, the speeds, adjustability, "gray areas", etc, made the racing so fun back then. And the driver personalities were better too. You had real feuds, bad blood, and drivers who spoke their mind, not the PC "hope I'm as fast as Xfinity 10G" corporate robot lines. BTW, Xfinity sucks as does their service, which is some call center in the Indo Pacific.
If u u are going to want smaller hp use smaller engine without any restrictions so u can have throttle response or allowed more hp engine so they can actually break the tires loose
We gotta see 200+ at charollete motor speedway and at Daytona
Pull the spacers., allow the car to run full throttle and Goodyear brings a tire that can handle the power
The cars definitely need more horsepower.
I think they should lighten up the short track cars for better handling.These things are built like tanks and if they aren`t out of control as far as speed it might make for more exciting racing.Faster tracks? Stick with the battle wagons.
I don’t think increasing horsepower will fix short tracks. It’s more aero flaws although lower horsepower seems to amplify those aero problems on short tracks & road courses.
The person writing the title was on the Hub looking at advertisements
Horsepower and for goodness sakes throw the splitter in the garbage. That will slow the corner speeds. Losing the front splitter may actually be more important for passing than horsepower
Hopefully they put more emphasis on marketing the drivers.
Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon were household names.
Who’s the household name in 2023?
Where’s the commercials? Ads? Social media?
Who’s the face of NASCAR right now?
The old guard are still the faces of NASCAR; they were the last of the true racers.
Sounds like nascar needs to listen to this driver counsel they might know a little about racing😮