Genius move. 5 day before launch knows that paddle will be illegal. Go ahead and launch. Sell all the inventory. Now they have a case to sue. Otherwise if they stop the launch, there’s damage to be claimed
I think I have an early model paddle in comparison to others. I also think their reputation was tarnished because I can’t go anywhere without being shamed for my paddle.
For every Complaint, there is a Reply. We will know more about the story when this is published. I think at the core of this imbroglio is the USAP's desire to stop the arms race in pickle ball paddles. There really is no need for paddles that can rebound faster than human reaction time. However the test protocols cannot be hidden from the manufacturer's view. I think Joola got caught when the USAP said "no mas" to faster paddles.
Interesting. I was not aware of any of this prior to watching this video. I was reading Joola paddle reviews on Amazon and would not buy the Perseus or less expensive model due to the number of reviews that noted the paddle broke early on.
Yeah that math wasn’t adding up… idk if they were integrating distribution costs, etc on top of the market value? Not gonna pretend I know what they’re up to 😅
I enjoyed your podcast. This is my opinion, because it seems to me that Joola and USAP are to blame for this debacle. With that being said. USAP has never been transparent with their testing and release of their test results. Joola admitted to submitting the wrong paddles for testing, paddle reviewers saying about Joola’s poor QCs on their past and Gen 3 paddles and this is the first time that I have heard from any social media platform that Joola said that the initially submitted paddles had more foam inside them than the resubmitted paddles. Also, I have seen paddle reviewers hang a Joola Gen 3 paddle on their clothing, because of the excessive grit on the paddle face. I would think that any paddle would fail the grit test with that much grit on the paddle face. Seems like both companies have their own issues with transparency and QC. Thank you, Rafa.
I don't think you can go back and de-list paddles after passing them just a few months ago. If you have new testing standards then they would be applied to any new paddles on the market not paddles already approved and selling. De-listing previous approved paddles make USAP look like they weren't testing all aspects of the paddle in the first place.
Possible scenario... 1. USAP approves Alpha paddles. 2. Joola found they submitted wrong paddles. They could have sent USAP Gen 2 construction paddles that have Alpha or Gen3 graphics. Thats why they passed the test. Just like tennis racquets have painted new model graphics but the pros are still using the old design. Just like Ben J. Playing with new design graphics but the paddle is actually a gen2. Maybe that was the administrative error ans that was maybe why the paddles passed. 3. So when joola actually resubmitted the actually submitted a real Gen3 and it failed.
Joola told on themselves and said the “wrong paddles they submitted for testing” had extra foam in the edges due to a QC issue. Theoretically tho those should be hotter than the real gen 3s and that’s what’s not making sense. But that’s what they’ve written in the lawsuit…
So for the owners of these paddles, what's our recourse? I still have yet to receive a response from Joola CS but have not played my Perseus 3 16mm since this debacle arose. Thank you for the update.
I returned my BJ Perseus 3 at my club for a club credit. The Flying Pickle in Meridian has a pro shop and Restaurant that serves beer and wine, so the $300 will be well spent on a different paddle, food or lessons. 18 indoor courts, 68° Stop in if your in the Boise area.
I would check Reddit or Joola’s official site to determine how to return your paddle. Regardless of the paddle being new or used Joola is refunding customers and that is your best plan of action unless you wanna bet on them being reapproved
@@pickleballtechdude When calling Joola which I did this morning, the message to gen 3 paddle owners is, send to Joola direct only if you purchased direct, for full refund. All others return to purchase location for a refund at stores, and club credit etc. if purchased from your PB club pro shop.
The one thing I am wondering about is what paddles are the Joola pros playing if the Alpha and Gen3 are banned? Watching MLP and it looks like the Johns brothers play their current signature paddles
the issue is the community is getting louder and louder about the super power paddles. now that a massive brand is in the mix, USAP is trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
What I could use is a flannel graph (just kidding) of who all the organizations are and what the new one is that "just got announced". I think Jason from The Kitchen is now the president of that one and he was talking about creating better exit velocity tests for paddle approval, etc... I find it all very interesting, but keeping track of who the players are and the acronyms is challenging at best.
Im an attorney and deal with contracts- albeit nothing like this. I'm interested how this suit will tie into the Mattus class action suit against Joola. The rule of law is 'sue everyone' because someone has to be liable. Why did Mattus did not sue USAP when the issues with them were known? maybe its a lot easier to make a case against joola? maybe deep pockets? USAP, a non-profit, probably does not have the resources to pay out (esp a class action where punitive damages are the golden goose) and Mattus may want to make Joola themselves spend the resources to go after USAP. I would not be surprised if Joola tried to 'pull in' USAP into that suit. I would bet that these are going to settle way before discovery where the costs skyrocket. The companies would have to hold depositions (we would learn of industry standards the the expectations of the parties- ie is 5 days prior to launch really a reasonable expectation?) and would have to disclose their contracts, but more importantly, all correspondences (including internal, except protected by privilege, like attorney-client). I absolutely cannot see either Joola or especially USAP going through discovery.
I have absolutely no background in litigation so I really appreciate your insights here! I assumed they’ll settle outside of court cuz there’s no way USAP could afford this if they lose…
Going on two weeks since Joola received my returned Gen 3 per tracking USPS delivery verification and crickets, no refund, no reply to emails, no one answers calls……anyone get a refund? Joola intentionally made a paddle that didn’t meet the original rules and figured they were so big they could shove it up everyone’s butt. Propulsion core, trampoline! Those with the most money will win…..USAPickleball really screwed up and the idiots that thought they could outsmart big money by changing the rules after the fact …...they didn’t need to the original rules could have been used to defend their findings!
I love this $200,000,000.00 lawsuit against the USAP, it's long overdue!.They have no transparency, and no accountability, they're a black hole. What independent body is overseeing the USAP testing model, holding them accountable, making them more timely, more responsive to their clients? The USAP is the problem! Who is the third party tester, what exact test's are they doing, what exact scientific equipment are they using, where are their detailed, published, scientific test results for each paddle tested? The USAP collects too much money, tens of millions of dollars, to be shrouded in such secrecy. Sunlight is the best disenfectant. Pickleball is going soft with all this talk about injury, liability etc. There's a simple solution, wear protective eyewear, this is a simple, cheap solution. Don't dumb down pickleball more then it already is. Be progressive, continue to evolve, keep an open mind, remember your fans/viewers.
The real reason this all happened is the pros started complaining !!! Once the pro podcasters started staying this is getting ridiculous and dangerous including ben Johns .. USA pickleball had to think fast on how to get these out of circulation before the other spring like paddles started flooding the market. Hence the reason this exploded and USA had to do something
Another fantastic recap of the Gen3 lawsuit! Joola definitely has egg of their face now. They had the opportunity to pause the launch, but instead they blazed ahead. Now they gotta take their medicine.
Liked. Well done. Also lighting improved and your room looks great. Don't take me too seriously but I still think that moving your light 45 degree to one side will give your face depth. This looks bad for USAP and also may be bad for the PB community in that it seems to be setting up manufacturers against each other such as Selkirk vs Joola.
One of your best videos, Rafa! One has to wonder who benefits most from trying to hogtie and bust Joola. Not USPA directly, but which companies might have their "most favored status"? Succeeding to break Joola, with their excellent Gen3 series (I own Anna Bright model), surely benefits one or two companies bottom line. Something fishy here about the behind the scenes testing and notification process for approval.
Thank you for your time and posting. I hope JOOLA wins. USAP has been worthless for at least 4 years and has done nothing for the poor sport and little for the sport.
Nah...USAP could have handled it better but joola intentionally made an illegal paddle. Paddles are getting too hot anyway, and no one wants to watch mend doubles I'd it's gonna be a total dinkfest all day. Something had to be done. Joola made a trampoline core on purpose. Wtf were they thinking.
Rafa, I have been enjoying your content out here. For me the right combination of enthusiasm and expertise. And I have a question from one paddle nerd to another, do you know if there’s any way for us to test the swing weight of our paddles at home without any Specific and expensive apparatus? Keep up the good work, I look forward to each episode
Thank you so much for the kind words! There is an option out there that a lot of us reviewers use that is way cheaper than other options although it is still a couple hundred bucks. It’s called the Briffidi SW1 (www.briffidi.com/product/sw1/) and this plus the pickleball adapter is about $300. In terms of not using any equipment I’m not too sure - there could be a method but I haven’t discovered it yet!
I would imagine that it’s going to cost a great deal more to certify paddles in the future. USAP (or its successor ) should require each supplier to deliver a listing of each paddle requirement and the supplier’s method of validation of that requirement in design. Also, their plans for maintaining compliance in production (controlling grit and foam variation for example). As far as the lawsuit goes, USAP is fraught with screw-ups, the lawyers will have field day, but fundamentally Joola by design and confirmed by their advertising outright sought to defy the ban of spring-like material being contained in the paddle. It’s a poorly developed requirement that needs to have the intent represented by a more robust approach as we stand on the edge of this new era for Pickleball.
Outstanding vid as usual dude!! I like and subscribe because you always have the best breakdowns of long, protracted subjects and deliver what is fundamentally important. You are awesome my dude!!
Joola is reimbursing everyone who bought the gen 3 paddles either directly or over their representatives. Therefore you need to reach out to one of them to get reimbursed. My representative has already informed us about it. Thus, the reason for a class action may not be quite the main concern for Joola. The USA PB has to get its acts together, become more transparent, and clearly communicate to manufacturers and players what tests and limit values should be in place from the beginning. This non transparent behavior of first approving and then not approving paddles could bring small manufacturers to bankruptcy. It is irresponsible and not acceptable.
@@26realmc Joola testing processing should be also transparent, but this is not the point, because it does not have the decisional power the USA PB has. The direction of the sport is to have clear information on tests used and limits accepted by the USA PB that are clearly communicated to manufacturers.
Usap wanted to monopolise the whole pickleball industry by trying to say to the world they are the only organisation that can certify paddle I’m with joola on this , if pickleball wants to be in the Olympic it need to stay away from usap ; the world do not need to listen to usap
Just some random feedback....not sure you need to keep saying the harvard part of the harvard engineer in your intro. Your getting decent traction with the great content. It would be more valuable at least to me if you qualified what kind of engineering background you have (material science, mech e, etc) to lend credence to your opinions. I know plenty of harvard trained engineers and their practical background matters way more than where they got their training (I mean they didn't goto MIT jk).
Rafa, it's readily apparent you don't understand the complexities, logistics, marketing, inventory and financial investment involved in a major new product launch. You say five days is enough notice/time to cancel the launch, which is laughable. It's also readily apparent you don't understand the difference in scale/inventory levels of a global brand vs a much smaller domestic brand. Joola(a major global brand in both table tennis and pickleball) takes advantage of their economies of scale and carries massive amounts of inventory, whereas Vatic and Ronbus, much smaller domestic brands do not. Yes, they are all hurt by these delists as well, but the scale/amount of damage is considerably smaller. Thirdly, it's not the other "kids" making fun of/slandering Joola, it's the sports recognized National Regulator/Governing Body.
😂 alright so to be clear you think I don’t know it makes no business sense to delay a launch? Of course it doesn’t - I’m saying all of this as a consumer it’s very easy to send mass communication to third party distributors “hey our paddle might violate some consumer laws if this approval is revoked so hold on for now". Bc that’s literally what was at stake this lawsuit is now about who’s at fault for violating those laws. There’s a lot of other inconsistencies with what you’re saying I’ve said and what I did just don’t have the time to cover it all 😂 Appreciate the comment but it’s “readily apparent” that you don’t understand context - would suggest figuring that out before insulting my intelligence 😊
@@pickleballtechdude Relax, I'm providing a perspective from a business owners point of view(not from the consumers). Rafa, you chose to be in the public eye, so you need to have tougher skin, feedback and constructive criticism is never personal, unless you choose to interpret it as such. Nobody is insulting your intelligence. None of us can be good at everything, You described Harvard engineering and paddle reviewing as your area of expertise, so I would never think of telling you how to conduct yourself as an engineer, as I don't know squat about engineering. Bottom line, business is my area of expertise, I've started several successful businesses both, large and small, domestic and international, so I have a right to offer comments/constructive criticism in my area of expertise. Also I'm not a politician, I'm a businessman, so I choose to conduct myself as such, so that you, I and others know where we stand. Keep up the good work with your paddle reviews, the complex inner workings of business, business ownership, and business related lawsuits, is a whole different ballgame.
Totally respect your opinion, but in the end whether smth becomes personal doesn’t rely just on what you say but also how you say it. Don’t expect an impassive response when you start a statement with “it’s readily apparent you don’t understand XYZ”. There’s better ways to make your point that seem like you’re not insulting someone. As a business man you’re smart enough to know that…
Tech Dude has mistakeny taken Joola's assertions at face value. In USAP's upcoming legal Response it will go paragraph by paragraph either agreeing or disagreeing with assertions in the Complaint while telling its side of the story along with revealing information that Joola omitted. I'm sure Joola had communicated all the assertions in the Complaint to USAP well before the lawsuit was initiated. USAP must feel it is on solid legal ground otherwise they would have capitulated to Joola's demands long ago.
There’s always 2 sides to every story! Both sides have questions to answer. Never made any comment about agreeing/disagreeing with anything said I’m just talking about the implications IF it were all true
5 days... for a world wide corporation, already having spent millions on marketing, is in no way reasonable to pull a new paddle line. RIP USAP. Glad I kept my gen 3. 😁
I want to et a AB model before the 15th in hopes Joola wins. I'll put down my GB PPE for that AB G3 model. and it's defiantly not faster than the GB. Ive have played with both. and own the GB.
Yes, Joola did something wrong and they admitted it. USAP is coming up with a test that is not in the developer’s handbook and not giving them the allotted time. It really seems like USAP is attempting to make an example. It is such a shame because the Magnus Gen3 in 14mm was fun to play.
Both entities are losing. USAP with using a test that was not in the developer’s handbook and attempting to set an example with Joola. Joola looses revenue and reputation. Not to mention other companies that might be at risk to get banned. I am playing now a Selkirk Luxx and it is so soft. I wonder it they would fail a test as well due to not being springy enough
@@boriskrieger1477 You are right, nobody comes out ahead in this mess, but Joola has been around since the 1950s, and they'll still be around in the 2030s. Things are a lot hazier when it comes to the long term survival of the USAP. This discovery process, if the suit gets that far, is going to be a doozy. 🍿
@@vanadyan1674 I agree. I can’t wait to see what next paddle Tyson is playing from Joola. The Magnus played so well and was very stylish. The sound when hitting the sweet spot was amazing
I think I'm screwed.! Bought three BJH G3 after the first delisting and before the second from Ebay. I emailed Joola, and they said the Ebay seller should take care of it. Wrong! The Ebay seller washes his of it and blames USAPA. Help!!! Was planning on playing tournaments with the G3.
Joola is a terrible company. All brand name, no QC, their 300$ paddles can delaminate after a day and if you try to warranty it the customer service is terrible and you may also just receive another paddle that delaminates after a day. All they do well is marketing but their products have never been good or consistent
i don't understand...which paddle was the "wrong" paddle submitted???? ....was it MORE powerful than the one that is out there now???? or is it less powerful but still too powerful for USAP standards????...I remember many moons ago when CRBN got banned for grit and deflection and every other category which is now a joke....I don't know why USAP might have it in for Joola but it seems kind of dumb to shoot one of your best sponsors dead in the head
Yes, Joola files $200,000,000.00 lawsuit, I love it! You wanna screw around USAP, welcome to the real world, pickleball is a real sport now, not your private backyard treehouse/ playground. Your actions now have real world consequences! :) Go Joola!
Sure, but there is 1 big big question - If Joola never send the same paddle that is in production to be tested then what is they are complaining for? If you go to a tournament, you show them a Double Black Diamond and then you put it on the side and you pick another paddle, not approved - does it count towards them checking your paddle?
@@notnotnownow9622 By design, our legal system is adversarial in nature, and this intense battle will finally shed light on what exactly is going on at USAP paddle testing. No more "he said, she said", no more evasiveness, no more "black box" paddle testing mysteries, no more vague metrics, no more secrets, just an intense spotlight, designed to flesh out the truth. It's my humble opinion, that USAP has been flying by the seat of their pants for ever, collecting significant amounts of money, while being unresponsive to brands/manufactures, and having had zero scrutiny/accountability. If you would like to take the other side of that coin, you're free to do so, that's the beauty of our adversarial legal system. Regardless of the outcome of this $200,000,000.00 law suit, this is the first time USAP has ever been held to account by a sizeable, well financed global corporate entity(Joola), and the United States legal system. This is a good thing for the sport, and it is long overdue
Sure, USAP screwed up with this entire saga. But fuck Joola. They made paddles that they knew broke the rules, lied about it, and are now trying to take down the only organization that is making any effort to regulate the sport.
They sent Paddle 1 to be checked and certified, then made Paddle 2 that is different than the one sent to be tested and now they claim they don't understand why is delisted. Btw, it's incorrect - it's not delisted, it was listed by fraud, Gen3 was never ever tested because they "made a mistake" and sent a different paddle. A company made 70 million worth of paddles but they made a mistake and sent another paddle to be tested.
@@notnotnownow9622 None of that matters that much. There is a contractual protocol in place that USAP did not follow, and that mistake is going to be the end of them. Joola has long money, USAP is a non-profit. It isn't really going to be that much of a fight. It will settle out pretty quickly if USAP wants to survive to see 2026.
There is a lot of mis and dis information flying around on the internet about what happened. There are contractual protocols very clearly spelled out regarding the delisting of a paddle after it has been certified, and USAP definitely broke those protocols, which puts them in breach of contract. All of the speculation about Joola intentionally and fraudulently submitting alternate paddles makes for great internet message board conversation, but it isn't going to mean diddly squat in a court of law without evidence.
Nice job explaining this mess. Will keep following along.
Awesome thank you!!!!
Genius move. 5 day before launch knows that paddle will be illegal. Go ahead and launch. Sell all the inventory. Now they have a case to sue. Otherwise if they stop the launch, there’s damage to be claimed
I think I have an early model paddle in comparison to others. I also think their reputation was tarnished because I can’t go anywhere without being shamed for my paddle.
For every Complaint, there is a Reply. We will know more about the story when this is published. I think at the core of this imbroglio is the USAP's desire to stop the arms race in pickle ball paddles. There really is no need for paddles that can rebound faster than human reaction time. However the test protocols cannot be hidden from the manufacturer's view. I think Joola got caught when the USAP said "no mas" to faster paddles.
I agree! The Gen 3 Joola was way too hot for me when I tried it. 3rd shot drops were too high and could not reset properly.
Are the exit velocities measured before or after they become hot?
I would assume before - as in they’re tested right out of the box. Any testing after “break-in” would be done on-site at tournaments
Interesting. I was not aware of any of this prior to watching this video. I was reading Joola paddle reviews on Amazon and would not buy the Perseus or less expensive model due to the number of reviews that noted the paddle broke early on.
$70 million dollars would be 280,000 paddles. Joola is wondering why they didn't get a free pass this time. And wondering why Gearbox gets a pass.
Yeah that math wasn’t adding up… idk if they were integrating distribution costs, etc on top of the market value? Not gonna pretend I know what they’re up to 😅
I enjoyed your podcast. This is my opinion, because it seems to me that Joola and USAP are to blame for this debacle. With that being said. USAP has never been transparent with their testing and release of their test results. Joola admitted to submitting the wrong paddles for testing, paddle reviewers saying about Joola’s poor QCs on their past and Gen 3 paddles and this is the first time that I have heard from any social media platform that Joola said that the initially submitted paddles had more foam inside them than the resubmitted paddles. Also, I have seen paddle reviewers hang a Joola Gen 3 paddle on their clothing, because of the excessive grit on the paddle face. I would think that any paddle would fail the grit test with that much grit on the paddle face. Seems like both companies have their own issues with transparency and QC. Thank you, Rafa.
I don't think you can go back and de-list paddles after passing them just a few months ago. If you have new testing standards then they would be applied to any new paddles on the market not paddles already approved and selling. De-listing previous approved paddles make USAP look like they weren't testing all aspects of the paddle in the first place.
So if I sent in a power air but sold a Luxx, they can’t delist it? Joola said right off the bat, we sent in the wrong paddles for testing.
@@johnsanchez2589 Not just talking about Joola. Vatic had a paddle delisted and i'm sure others may be on USAP's radar
Or if the production models weren't the same as the tested model.
Possible scenario...
1. USAP approves Alpha paddles.
2. Joola found they submitted wrong paddles. They could have sent USAP Gen 2 construction paddles that have Alpha or Gen3 graphics. Thats why they passed the test. Just like tennis racquets have painted new model graphics but the pros are still using the old design. Just like Ben J. Playing with new design graphics but the paddle is actually a gen2. Maybe that was the administrative error ans that was maybe why the paddles passed.
3. So when joola actually resubmitted the actually submitted a real Gen3 and it failed.
Joola told on themselves and said the “wrong paddles they submitted for testing” had extra foam in the edges due to a QC issue. Theoretically tho those should be hotter than the real gen 3s and that’s what’s not making sense. But that’s what they’ve written in the lawsuit…
So for the owners of these paddles, what's our recourse? I still have yet to receive a response from Joola CS but have not played my Perseus 3 16mm since this debacle arose. Thank you for the update.
I returned my BJ Perseus 3 at my club for a club credit. The Flying Pickle in Meridian has a pro shop and Restaurant that serves beer and wine, so the $300 will be well spent on a different paddle, food or lessons. 18 indoor courts, 68° Stop in if your in the Boise area.
I would check Reddit or Joola’s official site to determine how to return your paddle. Regardless of the paddle being new or used Joola is refunding customers and that is your best plan of action unless you wanna bet on them being reapproved
@@pickleballtechdude When calling Joola which I did this morning, the message to gen 3 paddle owners is, send to Joola direct only if you purchased direct, for full refund. All others return to purchase location for a refund at stores, and club credit etc. if purchased from your PB club pro shop.
Stop being concerned about your video length…your content is top notch 🎉
What will happen to the thousands of returned Joola G3 paddles piling up ??
The one thing I am wondering about is what paddles are the Joola pros playing if the Alpha and Gen3 are banned? Watching MLP and it looks like the Johns brothers play their current signature paddles
the issue is the community is getting louder and louder about the super power paddles. now that a massive brand is in the mix, USAP is trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
What I could use is a flannel graph (just kidding) of who all the organizations are and what the new one is that "just got announced". I think Jason from The Kitchen is now the president of that one and he was talking about creating better exit velocity tests for paddle approval, etc... I find it all very interesting, but keeping track of who the players are and the acronyms is challenging at best.
Im an attorney and deal with contracts- albeit nothing like this. I'm interested how this suit will tie into the Mattus class action suit against Joola. The rule of law is 'sue everyone' because someone has to be liable. Why did Mattus did not sue USAP when the issues with them were known? maybe its a lot easier to make a case against joola? maybe deep pockets? USAP, a non-profit, probably does not have the resources to pay out (esp a class action where punitive damages are the golden goose) and Mattus may want to make Joola themselves spend the resources to go after USAP. I would not be surprised if Joola tried to 'pull in' USAP into that suit. I would bet that these are going to settle way before discovery where the costs skyrocket. The companies would have to hold depositions (we would learn of industry standards the the expectations of the parties- ie is 5 days prior to launch really a reasonable expectation?) and would have to disclose their contracts, but more importantly, all correspondences (including internal, except protected by privilege, like attorney-client). I absolutely cannot see either Joola or especially USAP going through discovery.
I have absolutely no background in litigation so I really appreciate your insights here! I assumed they’ll settle outside of court cuz there’s no way USAP could afford this if they lose…
Going on two weeks since Joola received my returned Gen 3 per tracking USPS delivery verification and crickets, no refund, no reply to emails, no one answers calls……anyone get a refund? Joola intentionally made a paddle that didn’t meet the original rules and figured they were so big they could shove it up everyone’s butt. Propulsion core, trampoline! Those with the most money will win…..USAPickleball really screwed up and the idiots that thought they could outsmart big money by changing the rules after the fact …...they didn’t need to the original rules could have been used to defend their findings!
I got emailed from Joola that my return paddle got refund and may take up to 10 business days.
@@q50shybrid99 interested how long has it been since you sent it in?
You can always dispute with your credit card company and get a full refund.
@@2musiclover534 yah that’s how I should have paid, but didn’t.
Did you listen to this info? Lol
I love this $200,000,000.00 lawsuit against the USAP, it's long overdue!.They have no transparency, and no accountability, they're a black hole. What independent body is overseeing the USAP testing model, holding them accountable, making them more timely, more responsive to their clients? The USAP is the problem! Who is the third party tester, what exact test's are they doing, what exact scientific equipment are they using, where are their detailed, published, scientific test results for each paddle tested? The USAP collects too much money, tens of millions of dollars, to be shrouded in such secrecy. Sunlight is the best disenfectant. Pickleball is going soft with all this talk about injury, liability etc. There's a simple solution, wear protective eyewear, this is a simple, cheap solution. Don't dumb down pickleball more then it already is. Be progressive, continue to evolve, keep an open mind, remember your fans/viewers.
Amen, USAP testing procedures were equally as opaque and unprofessional back when the CRBN paddles were delisted.
I think you need to move your decimal place 2 spots to the right.
@@jchappanda lol oooops
@@jchappanda thank you, I was trying to multitask :) I think I sent the $200,000,000.00 to my supplier by mistake 😂
The real reason this all happened is the pros started complaining !!!
Once the pro podcasters started staying this is getting ridiculous and dangerous including ben Johns .. USA pickleball had to think fast on how to get these out of circulation before the other spring like paddles started flooding the market. Hence the reason this exploded and USA had to do something
Super solid. Great job covering this!
Another fantastic recap of the Gen3 lawsuit! Joola definitely has egg of their face now. They had the opportunity to pause the launch, but instead they blazed ahead. Now they gotta take their medicine.
Liked. Well done. Also lighting improved and your room looks great. Don't take me too seriously but I still think that moving your light 45 degree to one side will give your face depth. This looks bad for USAP and also may be bad for the PB community in that it seems to be setting up manufacturers against each other such as Selkirk vs Joola.
I heard that Joola and Vatic purposefully created paddles that would degrade and core crush to get that trampoline effect.
One of your best videos, Rafa! One has to wonder who benefits most from trying to hogtie and bust Joola. Not USPA directly, but which companies might have their "most favored status"? Succeeding to break Joola, with their excellent Gen3 series (I own Anna Bright model), surely benefits one or two companies bottom line. Something fishy here about the behind the scenes testing and notification process for approval.
Good job showing both sides of the story. I wonder how it’ll play out in the next year
Thank you!! I’m curious too 🧐
This discovery process, if the suit gets that far, is sure to be a doozy. 🍿Popcorn ready!🍿
Thank you for your time and posting. I hope JOOLA wins. USAP has been worthless for at least 4 years and has done nothing for the poor sport and little for the sport.
Nah...USAP could have handled it better but joola intentionally made an illegal paddle. Paddles are getting too hot anyway, and no one wants to watch mend doubles I'd it's gonna be a total dinkfest all day. Something had to be done. Joola made a trampoline core on purpose. Wtf were they thinking.
@@italipino24 Agree too. JOOLA made an illegal paddle but with USAP's approval. It really is a mess. IMO, everyone's going to lie.
Great explanation. Thank you!
Rafa, I have been enjoying your content out here. For me the right combination of enthusiasm and expertise. And I have a question from one paddle nerd to another, do you know if there’s any way for us to test the swing weight of our paddles at home without any Specific and expensive apparatus?
Keep up the good work, I look forward to each episode
Thank you so much for the kind words! There is an option out there that a lot of us reviewers use that is way cheaper than other options although it is still a couple hundred bucks. It’s called the Briffidi SW1 (www.briffidi.com/product/sw1/) and this plus the pickleball adapter is about $300.
In terms of not using any equipment I’m not too sure - there could be a method but I haven’t discovered it yet!
I would imagine that it’s going to cost a great deal more to certify paddles in the future. USAP (or its successor ) should require each supplier to deliver a listing of each paddle requirement and the supplier’s method of validation of that requirement in design.
Also, their plans for maintaining compliance in production (controlling grit and foam variation for example).
As far as the lawsuit goes, USAP is fraught with screw-ups, the lawyers will have field day, but fundamentally Joola by design and confirmed by their advertising outright sought to defy the ban of spring-like material being contained in the paddle. It’s a poorly developed requirement that needs to have the intent represented by a more robust approach as we stand on the edge of this new era for Pickleball.
Basically USAP needs to straighten out the rules ASAP…
Outstanding vid as usual dude!! I like and subscribe because you always have the best breakdowns of long, protracted subjects and deliver what is fundamentally important. You are awesome my dude!!
Maybe Joola purchasers should file a class action suit against the company for selling expensive paddles knowing that they weren't certified.
There is one already
Returning purchases that went through a Joola Rep is such a hassle. Shame on Joola for having us go through this mess!
Joola is reimbursing everyone who bought the gen 3 paddles either directly or over their representatives. Therefore you need to reach out to one of them to get reimbursed. My representative has already informed us about it. Thus, the reason for a class action may not be quite the main concern for Joola. The USA PB has to get its acts together, become more transparent, and clearly communicate to manufacturers and players what tests and limit values should be in place from the beginning. This non transparent behavior of first approving and then not approving paddles could bring small manufacturers to bankruptcy. It is irresponsible and not acceptable.
@@fiorenzafalcioni6798 and what do you know about the whole testing process with Joola and what exactly went on?
@@26realmc Joola testing processing should be also transparent, but this is not the point, because it does not have the decisional power the USA PB has. The direction of the sport is to have clear information on tests used and limits accepted by the USA PB that are clearly communicated to manufacturers.
Usap wanted to monopolise the whole pickleball industry by trying to say to the world they are the only organisation that can certify paddle
I’m with joola on this , if pickleball wants to be in the Olympic it need to stay away from usap ; the world do not need to listen to usap
Rule 2F1 doesn't apply, because the gen 3s were approved under false pretenses.
Just some random feedback....not sure you need to keep saying the harvard part of the harvard engineer in your intro. Your getting decent traction with the great content. It would be more valuable at least to me if you qualified what kind of engineering background you have (material science, mech e, etc) to lend credence to your opinions. I know plenty of harvard trained engineers and their practical background matters way more than where they got their training (I mean they didn't goto MIT jk).
All feedback matters to me! I’ll definitely think about this - you’re also not wrong and an MIT engineering credential woulda been nice 😂
Rafa, it's readily apparent you don't understand the complexities, logistics, marketing, inventory and financial investment involved in a major new product launch. You say five days is enough notice/time to cancel the launch, which is laughable. It's also readily apparent you don't understand the difference in scale/inventory levels of a global brand vs a much smaller domestic brand. Joola(a major global brand in both table tennis and pickleball) takes advantage of their economies of scale and carries massive amounts of inventory, whereas Vatic and Ronbus, much smaller domestic brands do not. Yes, they are all hurt by these delists as well, but the scale/amount of damage is considerably smaller. Thirdly, it's not the other "kids" making fun of/slandering Joola, it's the sports recognized National Regulator/Governing Body.
😂 alright so to be clear you think I don’t know it makes no business sense to delay a launch? Of course it doesn’t - I’m saying all of this as a consumer it’s very easy to send mass communication to third party distributors “hey our paddle might violate some consumer laws if this approval is revoked so hold on for now". Bc that’s literally what was at stake this lawsuit is now about who’s at fault for violating those laws.
There’s a lot of other inconsistencies with what you’re saying I’ve said and what I did just don’t have the time to cover it all 😂
Appreciate the comment but it’s “readily apparent” that you don’t understand context - would suggest figuring that out before insulting my intelligence 😊
@@pickleballtechdude Relax, I'm providing a perspective from a business owners point of view(not from the consumers). Rafa, you chose to be in the public eye, so you need to have tougher skin, feedback and constructive criticism is never personal, unless you choose to interpret it as such. Nobody is insulting your intelligence. None of us can be good at everything, You described Harvard engineering and paddle reviewing as your area of expertise, so I would never think of telling you how to conduct yourself as an engineer, as I don't know squat about engineering. Bottom line, business is my area of expertise, I've started several successful businesses both, large and small, domestic and international, so I have a right to offer comments/constructive criticism in my area of expertise. Also I'm not a politician, I'm a businessman, so I choose to conduct myself as such, so that you, I and others know where we stand. Keep up the good work with your paddle reviews, the complex inner workings of business, business ownership, and business related lawsuits, is a whole different ballgame.
Totally respect your opinion, but in the end whether smth becomes personal doesn’t rely just on what you say but also how you say it. Don’t expect an impassive response when you start a statement with “it’s readily apparent you don’t understand XYZ”. There’s better ways to make your point that seem like you’re not insulting someone. As a business man you’re smart enough to know that…
Tech Dude has mistakeny taken Joola's assertions at face value. In USAP's upcoming legal Response it will go paragraph by paragraph either agreeing or disagreeing with assertions in the Complaint while telling its side of the story along with revealing information that Joola omitted. I'm sure Joola had communicated all the assertions in the Complaint to USAP well before the lawsuit was initiated. USAP must feel it is on solid legal ground otherwise they would have capitulated to Joola's demands long ago.
There’s always 2 sides to every story! Both sides have questions to answer. Never made any comment about agreeing/disagreeing with anything said I’m just talking about the implications IF it were all true
@@pickleballtechdude Good reply
Good video bro. Thank youz
5 days... for a world wide corporation, already having spent millions on marketing, is in no way reasonable to pull a new paddle line. RIP USAP. Glad I kept my gen 3. 😁
It doesn't matter. Broke both perseus gen 3s due to bad qc or just over all design. Core crashing just unavoidable
The QC issues definitely need to be resolved :/
Matt Wright needs to do Pro Bono for USAP 😂😂
How you can tell when someone is Harvard educated? Don't worry, they will F******** tell you.
I want to et a AB model before the 15th in hopes Joola wins. I'll put down my GB PPE for that AB G3 model. and it's defiantly not faster than the GB. Ive have played with both. and own the GB.
I agree the GB PP are hotter (I think a fair amount) than the Joola G3s.
Let us all go back to wooden paddles. Problem solved.
Yes, Joola did something wrong and they admitted it. USAP is coming up with a test that is not in the developer’s handbook and not giving them the allotted time. It really seems like USAP is attempting to make an example.
It is such a shame because the Magnus Gen3 in 14mm was fun to play.
Hold onto it, USAP is toast, Joola is going to win this.
I really enjoyed lots of the Gen 3s as well :/ but we’ll see what happens!
Both entities are losing. USAP with using a test that was not in the developer’s handbook and attempting to set an example with Joola. Joola looses revenue and reputation. Not to mention other companies that might be at risk to get banned.
I am playing now a Selkirk Luxx and it is so soft. I wonder it they would fail a test as well due to not being springy enough
@@boriskrieger1477 You are right, nobody comes out ahead in this mess, but Joola has been around since the 1950s, and they'll still be around in the 2030s.
Things are a lot hazier when it comes to the long term survival of the USAP.
This discovery process, if the suit gets that far, is going to be a doozy. 🍿
@@vanadyan1674 I agree. I can’t wait to see what next paddle Tyson is playing from Joola. The Magnus played so well and was very stylish. The sound when hitting the sweet spot was amazing
I think I'm screwed.! Bought three BJH G3 after the first delisting and before the second from Ebay. I emailed Joola, and they said the Ebay seller should take care of it. Wrong! The Ebay seller washes his of it and blames USAPA. Help!!! Was planning on playing tournaments with the G3.
Joola is a terrible company. All brand name, no QC, their 300$ paddles can delaminate after a day and if you try to warranty it the customer service is terrible and you may also just receive another paddle that delaminates after a day. All they do well is marketing but their products have never been good or consistent
This will be ended with 18 months back on list then make yoola make them fit
i don't understand...which paddle was the "wrong" paddle submitted???? ....was it MORE powerful than the one that is out there now???? or is it less powerful but still too powerful for USAP standards????...I remember many moons ago when CRBN got banned for grit and deflection and every other category which is now a joke....I don't know why USAP might have it in for Joola but it seems kind of dumb to shoot one of your best sponsors dead in the head
RIP USAP
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@@pickleballtechdude What are the odds USAP goes through discovery on this? By my reading they are screwed either way.
I'm glad you changed your stance to at least give Joola the benefit of the doubt; I was very confused with your last video where you took USAP's side.
I sold my Oni Launch Edition.
OOF need to find someone offloading there’s for collection reasons haha
@@pickleballtechdude Mine sold for $100 over retail, used. Probably should've run the auction longer!
Yes, Joola files $200,000,000.00 lawsuit, I love it! You wanna screw around USAP, welcome to the real world, pickleball is a real sport now, not your private backyard treehouse/ playground. Your actions now have real world consequences! :) Go Joola!
Sure, but there is 1 big big question - If Joola never send the same paddle that is in production to be tested then what is they are complaining for? If you go to a tournament, you show them a Double Black Diamond and then you put it on the side and you pick another paddle, not approved - does it count towards them checking your paddle?
@@notnotnownow9622 By design, our legal system is adversarial in nature, and this intense battle will finally shed light on what exactly is going on at USAP paddle testing. No more "he said, she said", no more evasiveness, no more "black box" paddle testing mysteries, no more vague metrics, no more secrets, just an intense spotlight, designed to flesh out the truth. It's my humble opinion, that USAP has been flying by the seat of their pants for ever, collecting significant amounts of money, while being unresponsive to brands/manufactures, and having had zero scrutiny/accountability. If you would like to take the other side of that coin, you're free to do so, that's the beauty of our adversarial legal system. Regardless of the outcome of this $200,000,000.00 law suit, this is the first time USAP has ever been held to account by a sizeable, well financed global corporate entity(Joola), and the United States legal system. This is a good thing for the sport, and it is long overdue
Sure, USAP screwed up with this entire saga. But fuck Joola. They made paddles that they knew broke the rules, lied about it, and are now trying to take down the only organization that is making any effort to regulate the sport.
meh, i just buy $100 paddles, tops.
Joola committed fraud and are the ones suing? This is just a big company trying to threaten a governing body for doing its job.
Certainly feels that way
USAP is an incompetent mess. If they want to survive they'll settle pretty quuckly.
They sent Paddle 1 to be checked and certified, then made Paddle 2 that is different than the one sent to be tested and now they claim they don't understand why is delisted.
Btw, it's incorrect - it's not delisted, it was listed by fraud, Gen3 was never ever tested because they "made a mistake" and sent a different paddle. A company made 70 million worth of paddles but they made a mistake and sent another paddle to be tested.
@@notnotnownow9622 None of that matters that much. There is a contractual protocol in place that USAP did not follow, and that mistake is going to be the end of them. Joola has long money, USAP is a non-profit.
It isn't really going to be that much of a fight. It will settle out pretty quickly if USAP wants to survive to see 2026.
There is a lot of mis and dis information flying around on the internet about what happened.
There are contractual protocols very clearly spelled out regarding the delisting of a paddle after it has been certified, and USAP definitely broke those protocols, which puts them in breach of contract.
All of the speculation about Joola intentionally and fraudulently submitting alternate paddles makes for great internet message board conversation, but it isn't going to mean diddly squat in a court of law without evidence.
YANAL