Great choice Saukki! I was an early adopter pf the QV (#13) and have ridden over 30,000km in it. This has included some long camping trips carrying all my own gear. My machine has all the options you mentioned including 11-36 cassette, the larger front brakes, and Mountain Drive. The part of England where I live is hillier than Finland so I did occasionally use the low ratio but the ability to select it when stopped or climbing justifies the cost and extra weight IMHO. Another thing worth considering is ordering BOTH hoods. At this time I use the full hood and enjoy the weather protection but once things warm up I much prefer the short version. Swapping them is a 5min job. All the UK QV owners have the optional rear brakes but the extra complexity is probably not worth it where you live? The overall design and construction of the QV has progressively improved over the past few years so I think you will find it ideal for your purposes. I still have a Quest XS as well but don't often ride it :it's slightly faster but less comfortable and definitely less stable!
Saukki, all I know is that I live in a similar terrain to you and I really like my Mountain drive. I don't have to use it much, but when I do I'm glad I have it. I put a 65t on the front of the Eyeball and the times I've needed it were usually when I was really tired at the end of a ride, or that really long slow climb where I just wore out. I got mine used, so it was a bit less but not much. I don't regret the purchase at all.
Hey, Saukki!, I think the QV is a good choice, especially for the winter. Mine had a Mountain drive with a 70 tooth chain ring when I got it, that gave me 40 miles per hour on a gentle down hill stretch on my way home from work, with 30 mph quite possible on the flat, once you got to that speed. I live on top of a hill, and on my commute I used ALL the gears at least once on the trip in or out. Where the M Drive is also useful is at junctions, especially when you have a bit of weight aboard, (like a child :-): After you have stopped, 'heel' it into low, which will give you a fast start, then heel it into top, to carry on accelerating. Much faster than changing gears. In mid December I fitted a Bafang 8-fun to help with hills. It makes a lot of difference, but I am not sure it would be worth it if you ride in a mostly flat area. A hell of a lot of weight, and although somebody below suggested swapping it out for the summer, you are giving yourself a hell of a lot of work if you do. Lots of wires to mess around with, some of which you need to extend, as they are designed for a diamond frame bike, with the motor a lot closer to the battery, and the speed sensor. My QV is bright yellow on the sides, with green on top, so if I use a 'head' light when the open hood is fitted, I do not get blinded by the reflection in the dark, but still very visible to traffic, (so I am told). So far, I have used the 'rain' hood most of the time as the weather has been so bloody wet most of the time. (In the summer I use the ICE Trike: Not as hot as having a 'shell' all around you!)
Hello from Canada... I ride a Greenspeed Magnum trike with a Nuvinci CVP on the rear and a Schlumpf Mountain Drive on the front. I am amazed at the cost of the MD in Finland! If you shop around a bit, the MD is around CDN$400 (around EURO300). I really like the MD. One really nice thing is that I can instantly gear down at a stop by simply striking the changer with my ankle. Great for when you forget to gear down or do a sudden stop. While I have done no measurements, I have not noticed any drag with the MD. I ride mostly in the "high gear" which is straight through. Another thing I like about the MD as opposed to the Speed Drive is that if it ever breaks, I will be stuck in straight through and not "low gear". As to terrain... I live in Eastern Canada (Nova Scotia). There aren't many huge hills around here. Yet I still find the MD useful for the occasional gut-buster or, as I mentioned, for starting off when I did not shift down the Nuvinci. The MD is very well made - a piece of mechanical art! I highly recommend it. Happy Holidays to you and your family! From your friends in Canada - Larry and Debbie
Larry Hicks ,wow Larry ! Thx from the rest of us for your VALUABLE INFO ! I have been trying to get a deal on a Nuvinci for a couple years .... time to bite the bullet.
How do you like the nuvinci? I have sadly not got the resources or storage for a velomobile and can only enjoy them via UA-cam, but I do have 5 working bikes at the moment (and a couple more that need attention) and one or two of them would suit a nuvinci but I am put off of all hub gears really by inefficiency and reliability concerns, would love to know what its like in real life.
Great video - as always. I also had a Quest (XS) and switched to a Quattro when our daughter was starting daycare. I went with the MD, just to be sure to go anywhere - anytime. I do not use the low gears very often, only in very heavy uphills and/or if my daughter is riding along. Taking a small hill in high gear alone is one thing. Doing it with 15-20 kg "cargo" is quite different. Also low gears come in handy when uphills get slippery in the winter. Sometimes I may have the power to get up in high gear - but am unable to get traction. In those cases low gear is very useful. I live 50 km north of Kalmar on the Swedish east coast. Besides - all that luggage space is useless if you cannot use it (because you cant get up bigger hills when fully loaded) ... I hope you enjoy your QV and that you keep delivering these great videos - much appreciated.
I agree with that. I have a QV with child seat - 11-36, 70t, 155mm cranks. I live in northern Germany - considered as flat. But even here we have some hills, some with steep ascents. On my daily commute there are sections I normally do in 70/36 with 12-15 km/h. But with 15 kg child plus 15 kg groceries that would be very hard without the Mountain drive.
Check it out, I'm the dude right above you on the order list! I'm getting mine with a Schlumpf, and I know it is is pricey, but it has been amazing in my Hilgo, and it really helps to conquer anything. Plus, as you mentioned, for me one of the most important reasons to gi with the MD is drive-train simplification. Not so big in the QV as you only ever have one front chain ring, but it does give 2 front gears that wouldn't normally be possible.
Keep in mind though, that the 1:2.5 reduction makes for a HUGE jump and a lot of frantic shifting.. I tend to use mine for getting started and for very long hills only.. And even after starting I try to get to the normal gears as soon as possible, because of the rubbery feeling of the mountain drive's small gears.. It's great for what it is though and I wouldn't want to miss it :) And while thinking about it: When taking a kid for a ride in the back, that's quite a bit of weight added.. And especially when starting off with low-rpm, it will probably feel like more effort than riding fast at a higher cadence.. So maybe the mountain drive would be a good option after all.. And looking for a more suitably geared cassette is too.. at Saukki's favourite speed of around 40, the gearing is awfully thin.. On his quest, he had a lot more overlap..
Having ridden both QuattroVelos ,at bicycle Evolution, with Schlumpf drive and Pedal assist I would suggest Schlumpf. Pedal Assist adds as many problems as it solves. You have to run Pedal assist in speed 2 or 3 three to cancel out the weight and drag that it adds to the bike and drive train. So riding around with out the motor turned on is really not an option. Schlumpf/Mountain drive is great to have when you do need it. You don't realize that it is even installed until you need it. The Quattro is a little heavier and slower than other Velos, so to have it installed wont hurt you, just help if you need it. Riding around in the bikes at the shop changed my mindset on everything!!! It is amazing what experience changes. Best of luck with your old and new bike!!!! believe it or not, the Quattro is my absolute FAVORITE Velo. There isnt any other model that I would consider. It brings SOOOOOOO much to the table.
Welcome to the four wheel community! Considering gears, keep in mind that you can carry more load, kids, grocerys etc in the quattrovelo than in your present ride.
I think you won't regret it... But please let us know everything about it when you'll have it, measurements etc. 👍🏻👍🏻 About the drivetrain, having a wide range for steeper climbs or not depends on: 1. Your ability to handle great forces applied to pedals those 5 times a year you mentioned 2. Alternatives to push or pull the velomobile along those climbs, if you can drag it with a little cable and head it easily where you want there are no problems, otherwise you're in trouble. Electric pedal assistance is a great idea, but comes with a cost and you're right about itbeing a weight in summer: maybe you should look for a quickly removable one
Here in the Netherlands it is also flat. So for my next trike, I switch from a side range to a narrow range. Not for racing, but for touring still high speeds and fast enough for the roads out here. Not going to race and if do, I will not be fast even with other gears. I now have an e-assist and I removed the speed limiter. But I can also switch back to my 3 bladed drive train in front. I want to be able to swap and with the mid motor for bikes, you can easily do that. I don't know how it is in the quatrovello, but in most velomobile, you can easily remove the front drive train and swap it out. Than you can drive with or without e-assist. Know that the battery will perform a lot less good in the winter. So as you do that, make that you can cover the battery so it doesn't get to cold.
Congratulations Saukki! When it comes to the gearing, I believe it's not so difficult. Your rides are flat and you've hardly used low gears on the Quest. So I would think it best to use the 11-36 cassette. If ever you decide you need lower gears, you can still retrofit a SchlumpfMD and there will be no wait of another year.
Saukki, there was a thread on Bent Rider Online that had a lot of gearing talk about the QV. I haven't been able to find it yet, but there were comments all over the place about gearing. One person is even using a Pinion Gearbox with a rear cog giving him a HUGE range. Others are more concerned with efficiency than range.
I've been fantasizing about the Quest for quite a while, I would get a 75t chainring with the Schlumpf Mountain Drive. BTW, last I heard the waitlist was 15 months.
Take the mountain drive - you don’t want to spend all your time the overdrive - though I did it with the HSD on my rapto. I have to assume you could get a stoker style electric drive - easy to remove for summer
The large step down also isn’t an issue - you want the two ranges to be almost exclusive, since the change isn’t easy enough to start double stepping for perfect cadence. I had a two gear overlap - it just gives a doubled range...
Hello, The GreenThing is my QV. It is standing on the hood. (at the moment missing). I think it is a good choice to have an QV out there. I have the normal 70t in mine. And climbing is difficult. I think the 65t will help. Greetings, Kjeld
@@TheVelomobileChannel It is an good picture for sure. I like the green kids stuff in the background matching with my velomobile. And thanks, I really like this color.
Merry Christmas, and congratulations for the new velomobile! Great choice! Will you sell your Quest and can you tow a bike trailer with a velomobile? If I was you, I would take the mountain drive because it can serve one day and better be safe than sorry 😃.
I'll probably sell the Quest, but we'll see. Yes you can tow a bike trailer with a velomobile. Velomobiel.nl is selling a trailer hitch for velomobiles.
I've watched you get more keen on the Quatro this year. So I'm not surprised that you decided to go for it. Personally I think it looks more practical in many ways. I also love the Orange. It will be exciting.
...my option would be mountain drive with E14 (Bosch E-Assist together with Rohloff), however the chain drive is the best for the quattrovelo. ...and I support You with Your choice of the colour ☺
@@TheVelomobileChannel Yes, those never-quite-dark summer nights you have are amazing. All I was getting at was that if you ever want a change, there are other places to live. My personal opinion is, we don't have nearly enough Finns living here.
Congratulations on the order Saukki! Are you keeping the Quest too? The Quattrovelo is a cool bike. Also really grippy which will come in more than handy in Finland. Biggest minus for me would be the delivery time, if I win the lottery I'll order one as a second bike, for shopping, taking my kid and long trips :-) Concerning the gearing: The cheap option would be to simply switch the gears (cassette and/or chainwheel) when the winter starts. However, I think on this sum and when buying a QuattroVelo I'd invest in the Mountain Drive: I currently mostly use the 56 chainwheel with my 11-speed setup, which would say one chainring is enough, but the DF feels a lot lighter than the QuattroVelo did when I tried it, and the QV is ready to take a lot of extra weight (groceries, children, etcetera). Having a reduction to quickly get up a bridge or cross a road can be very useful. To be complete: I have a 34/56 setup on the DF, cassette is 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28-32 with a 40-584 rear tyre. Haven't done much km's yet, but my "cruise speed" in rainy cold weather seems to be about 41-42 km/h, and I peddle a little bit slower than you. Usually I'm on 56/14 or 56/15, which is quite ideal since I can go up to ~48 km/h before I have to increase chain resistance to go faster (using 11 will waste a few percent of power! But when I'm going 60 km/h, who cares...). I will be trying the Heinenoord tunnel next week again, and it has an 8% part, so probably the 34 will be used then :-)
Swapping the cassette on a QV is NOT an easy job as it involves removing the entire rear axle assembly. Best to decide on the best ratios before buying the machine. Changing chainwheels is easier thanks to the removable floor panel.
Some good advice here ^^ didn’t know it was this difficult on a QV. in that case, if it was mine I think I’d go with the 2.5 reduction, but that’s personal - i have weak knees, so I want to keep the revs up.
Oh one last thing: I'd take the 90mm brake option if I were you! I've tried a few new velomobiles with 70mm drums (not sure about the QV) and although I could do a good stop with my Quest (as long as the brakes were clean), the new bikes with similar sized brakes didn't feel more powerful. The DF has 90mm brakes as standard and the bite is wonderful, it just feels effortless. Much more comfortable, especially with - again - the weight potential of a QV (32 kg + you + child + groceries + tools etc.).
I once driven a nuvinci hub in my first velomobiel, the Bike was not fast and was heavy to keep it above 35 km/h... But with the nuvinci you can choise the right gearing Just sput on.. That would work perfect on the Quattro but you have issues about the weight SO... Don't understand if you don't have many mountans there, you should be ok with 2.3 kgs more weight.
You should investigate reflective tape to help with visibility. I have it on one of my bikes and even other cyclists see them at night with their lights.
@John, not so sure about that, Saukki had the Quest which was used to commute from a to b. Now it is also is going to be an educational tool for his child. Think that part hasn't sunk in yet...
Something should change in the legal parts of things. The electrical motor should be able to help at higher speeds, but they just need to limit the horsepower. That way you can commute fast by using momentum and be seriously environmentally friendly. Maybe more people would be willing to use the velomobile, and maybe even governments can give tax reductions or even sponsor peoples purchase of velomobiles. We need to have less co2 emissions! This is a good alternative for many people if the government would see the possibilities. High speed bicycle lanes would also help a lot.
Katoppas, minäpä hommasinkin kickbiken, sellaisen punaisen. Jokin pöljänpitkä päiväreissu on jo haaveissa. Nyt joulu rennosti lomilla. Hyvää joulua ja uutta vuotta!
Wow nice one! Congrats man. As for the gear. It's like you said, better have it and not need it than need it and not have it. I see Velomobiles as car replacements. So they should be able to go everywhere a car can. The only question is do you shell out on a low gear now or make up some DIY solution later (like converting to a 11 or 12 speed SRAM eagle or Shimano XT derailleur later with 11 to 50 teeth cassettes ) would not give you the same range but is a bit cheaper and probably good enough.
It's difficult to choose. At the moment MD seems like the best option. I asked vm.nl about what size rear cassette fits in to the QV and they said that 36t sprocket is the largest that can fit in there.
@@TheVelomobileChannel hmmmm! I don't see why we can't fit a larger cassette. The only limiter is usually the derailleur cage and you can replace that. But if nothing fits then I'd go for the MD gear.
That is most interesting that you are getting a Quattrovelo. It has both rear wheels driven I believe so I think that will also be of benefit in ice and snow. I am planning on getting a Hase Kettwiesel in 2020. I have decided to get electric assist because I prefer the extra power riding in the city. It feels more agile and able to keep away from the cars at junctions etc. However I don't think you do very much riding in town. I haven't ordered my Kettwiesel yet but the wait is much less so I will probably have mine before you get yours :)
Howdy! I hope you ordered the reinforced version of the QuattroVelo. In our group the mounting brackets of three QuattroVelos are broken. It's not funny when you're in the middle of a tour
@@hoekie3652 The angles with which the rear axle is fixed. As far as I know, these are available in normal and reinforced version. In our velomobile group there are three QuattroVelos. In all three, this angle is broken and must be repaired/reinforced by the manufacturer. Two of them were relatively new (about 3000 km). I cannot describe the part in more detail, because I don't ride a QuattroVelo, but a WAW.
How about just changing the front chainring for a smaller one over the winter, then putting the big ring back on in the spring? You will be fitting winter tyres etc, so could be done at the same time. The schlumpf is heavy (650g) and only compatible with square taper cranks. It can always be added easily later on if you decide you do need it after all. Happy Xmas.
@@TheVelomobileChannel would stop you spending all winter wondering how much energy you are losing through the schlumpf drive - Finnish winters look tough enough already! :)
@@TheVelomobileChannel changing a front chain-wheel with or without the MD would take about an hour (adjusting the chain length is the fiddly part) As I said earlier changing the rear cassette is probably the hardest job on a QV as it is in the middle of the two axles and it's virtually impossible to remove with the rear suspension frame in situ. I've done it about 4 times in 3 years and it still takes about a day's work!
WOW !!! Félicitation... très bon choix, je vais aller au Texas me commander un Quattrovélo en février 2020. Ici au Canada, il n'y a pas de concessionnaires... Joyeux temps des fêtes Sauki... from Canada
Michel Mercier génial, c’est triste que BlueVelo a fait faillite, il vendaient des vélomobiles de toutes les marques à Toronto, mais je ne savais pas qu’il y avait des concessionnaires aux États-Unis, y en-a-t-il d’autres?
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@Abdurrahman Habubilov .. A vrai dire il y a très peu de vélomobiles au Canada. Nous en voyons rarement. Mais techniquement à ce que je comprends nous pouvons faire du vélomobile facilement jusqu'a - 10 C. Sur cette vidé un professeur d'Université qui prends son vélomobile à tous les jours de l 'année. ua-cam.com/video/KWKzld900p8/v-deo.html Sinon du mois d'avril à novembre il est assez facile de faire du vélomobile
I like your idea of efficiency NOW ! U could always get mountain drive later if U find U need it. Congrats ... traded my electric sk8 board (WOWGO S2) for a Juiced bikes City Scrambler. HAPPY & Safe 2020 Saukki ! 🏁 I have been practicing Wim Hof Method breathing for 8 weeks now. There is a tour guide cyclist in Prague that sent me a response of how much it helped his training. 🌬🛀🏼🚿🥶🚲🚵🏼♂️🤙🏼
Rohloff hubs are useful for bikes with an open drivetrain (chain or belt), or clever use like on a FlevoBike Green Machine. A velomobile like the Quest, QuattroVelo or DF, have the derailleur and chain inside, so they stay clean, more efficient and are a lot cheaper. One advantage is you can shift a Rohloff when stipped.
My WAW velomobile initially came with a Rohloff, and I removed it about 10 months ago. I switched to a 2x10 setup with 36/58 chainrings and 11-42 cassette. There is a lot of drag with the Rohloff, especially in the lower gears and also when it’s cold out. I wouldn’t be surprised if the drag was as much as 15%. Once I switched to the 2x10 setup, I started getting many KOM’s and PR’s on Strava.
I'm hoping both rear wheels spin when you pedal the quattrovelo instead of just the rear right wheel. I'm definitely wanting a velomobile but I'm very tall and live in the usa so velomobiles are very rare.
Do you have any instructions or plans for any simple velos ? They aren’t very common Here in Texas and I would like to try to build one. I was thinking about using pollyeurethane like boogie board or soft top surf board foams with wooden stringers for support and mounted brackets for the running gear . I’m not sure where to start.
Saukki... If I might add a word of caution... I worked for several decades in a children's hospital. As you might imagine, I am a child advocate... I have witnessed many childhood injuries. One of the central features of these injuries concerned the absence of direct line-of-sight observation by a responsible party (parent, grandparent, guardian). I only mention this to you because of your comments about commuting with your infant in the back of the Quattrovelo. In that position, you will be unable to directly observe your baby. If there are any unexpected events, you will be delayed in your response time (critical)... also, the roads you have shown in your videos do not seem super safe. Sorry to be a downer... I still like the QV. Safety First.
Preview of the QV in the snow: ua-cam.com/video/kWhbtbCe208/v-deo.html Better than a 3-wheeler, but still not without issues. I hope the winter service on your road is going to be decent this year. This video was posted 8 months ago. When are you expecting delivery?
Hello Sauki, i need help please. Received my new quest on the 24th, need to adjust my bottom bracket 20mm closer to me, how much should i shorten the chain? Regards
That’s a good question. No more than one pin shorter. You need to check it yourself. When the chain is on the largest front ring and largest rear sprocket, the chain should touch both rear derailleur idlers and you should be able to move the rear derailleur just a little bit by hand. If not, then the chain is too short. When the chain is on the smallest chainring & sprocket, then the chain shouldn’t touch the rear derailleur itself. If it does rub on the derailleur, then the chain is too long. In my opinion you never need the latter combination, so that’s not so important. In some cases you are not even able to cut the chain in correct lenght. In you case if you are lucky, you dont have to cut the chain. Just dont use the smallest chainring & sprocket combination.
I’m at number 20 on Velomobiel.nl order list. Not yet listed at velomobileworld. I’d like to keep the Quest, but I must sell it, otherwise I can’t afford the Quattro.
One place to sell velomobiles in Europe is Ligfiets.net. Used Quest would be something between 2000€-7000€ depending on how old it is and in what condition etc.
Saukki, do I see that the largest cassette cog offered is only 32 teeth? Although you have no need for a larger one, I do where I live, and if I were buying a Quattrovelo, I would want to avoid the cost, weight, and slight efficiency disadvantage of a geared drive. I was surprised to see that the largest cassette cog offered is only 32 teeth-- is that correct? So I might have a problem. On my own velomobile, I found a simple chain-and-sprocket solution that gave me a wider gearing range. I recently replaced my 9-speed 11-32 cassette with an 11-40 cassette (meant for mountain bikes), with the following teeth: 11, 13, 15, 18, 21, 24, 28, 34, 40. At the cost of slightly wider gaps between gears, I got a nice low gear for the occasional very steep hill (in south-central Pennsylvania, we have too many of those). And I was able to stay within my modest budget.My wife and I continue to enjoy your channel immensely. Also, thanks for selling T-shirts-- she got me a red "bicycle evolution" one for Christmas!
Great choice Saukki! I was an early adopter pf the QV (#13) and have ridden over 30,000km in it. This has included some long camping trips carrying all my own gear. My machine has all the options you mentioned including 11-36 cassette, the larger front brakes, and Mountain Drive. The part of England where I live is hillier than Finland so I did occasionally use the low ratio but the ability to select it when stopped or climbing justifies the cost and extra weight IMHO. Another thing worth considering is ordering BOTH hoods. At this time I use the full hood and enjoy the weather protection but once things warm up I much prefer the short version. Swapping them is a 5min job. All the UK QV owners have the optional rear brakes but the extra complexity is probably not worth it where you live? The overall design and construction of the QV has progressively improved over the past few years so I think you will find it ideal for your purposes. I still have a Quest XS as well but don't often ride it :it's slightly faster but less comfortable and definitely less stable!
Saukki, all I know is that I live in a similar terrain to you and I really like my Mountain drive. I don't have to use it much, but when I do I'm glad I have it. I put a 65t on the front of the Eyeball and the times I've needed it were usually when I was really tired at the end of a ride, or that really long slow climb where I just wore out. I got mine used, so it was a bit less but not much. I don't regret the purchase at all.
Hey, Saukki!, I think the QV is a good choice, especially for the winter.
Mine had a Mountain drive with a 70 tooth chain ring when I got it, that gave me 40 miles per hour on a gentle down hill stretch on my way home from work, with 30 mph quite possible on the flat, once you got to that speed. I live on top of a hill, and on my commute I used ALL the gears at least once on the trip in or out. Where the M Drive is also useful is at junctions, especially when you have a bit of weight aboard, (like a child :-): After you have stopped, 'heel' it into low, which will give you a fast start, then heel it into top, to carry on accelerating. Much faster than changing gears.
In mid December I fitted a Bafang 8-fun to help with hills. It makes a lot of difference, but I am not sure it would be worth it if you ride in a mostly flat area. A hell of a lot of weight, and although somebody below suggested swapping it out for the summer, you are giving yourself a hell of a lot of work if you do. Lots of wires to mess around with, some of which you need to extend, as they are designed for a diamond frame bike, with the motor a lot closer to the battery, and the speed sensor.
My QV is bright yellow on the sides, with green on top, so if I use a 'head' light when the open hood is fitted, I do not get blinded by the reflection in the dark, but still very visible to traffic, (so I am told). So far, I have used the 'rain' hood most of the time as the weather has been so bloody wet most of the time. (In the summer I use the ICE Trike: Not as hot as having a 'shell' all around you!)
Thanks for the nice demo of my gear calculator :-)
Thanks for making such a nice gear calculator 😁
Hello from Canada... I ride a Greenspeed Magnum trike with a Nuvinci CVP on the rear and a Schlumpf Mountain Drive on the front. I am amazed at the cost of the MD in Finland! If you shop around a bit, the MD is around CDN$400 (around EURO300). I really like the MD. One really nice thing is that I can instantly gear down at a stop by simply striking the changer with my ankle. Great for when you forget to gear down or do a sudden stop. While I have done no measurements, I have not noticed any drag with the MD. I ride mostly in the "high gear" which is straight through. Another thing I like about the MD as opposed to the Speed Drive is that if it ever breaks, I will be stuck in straight through and not "low gear". As to terrain... I live in Eastern Canada (Nova Scotia). There aren't many huge hills around here. Yet I still find the MD useful for the occasional gut-buster or, as I mentioned, for starting off when I did not shift down the Nuvinci. The MD is very well made - a piece of mechanical art! I highly recommend it. Happy Holidays to you and your family! From your friends in Canada - Larry and Debbie
Larry Hicks ,wow Larry ! Thx from the rest of us for your VALUABLE INFO ! I have been trying to get a deal on a Nuvinci for a couple years .... time to bite the bullet.
How do you like the nuvinci? I have sadly not got the resources or storage for a velomobile and can only enjoy them via UA-cam, but I do have 5 working bikes at the moment (and a couple more that need attention) and one or two of them would suit a nuvinci but I am put off of all hub gears really by inefficiency and reliability concerns, would love to know what its like in real life.
Great video - as always. I also had a Quest (XS) and switched to a Quattro when our daughter was starting daycare. I went with the MD, just to be sure to go anywhere - anytime. I do not use the low gears very often, only in very heavy uphills and/or if my daughter is riding along. Taking a small hill in high gear alone is one thing. Doing it with 15-20 kg "cargo" is quite different. Also low gears come in handy when uphills get slippery in the winter. Sometimes I may have the power to get up in high gear - but am unable to get traction. In those cases low gear is very useful. I live 50 km north of Kalmar on the Swedish east coast.
Besides - all that luggage space is useless if you cannot use it (because you cant get up bigger hills when fully loaded) ...
I hope you enjoy your QV and that you keep delivering these great videos - much appreciated.
I agree with that. I have a QV with child seat - 11-36, 70t, 155mm cranks. I live in northern Germany - considered as flat. But even here we have some hills, some with steep ascents. On my daily commute there are sections I normally do in 70/36 with 12-15 km/h. But with 15 kg child plus 15 kg groceries that would be very hard without the Mountain drive.
Check it out, I'm the dude right above you on the order list! I'm getting mine with a Schlumpf, and I know it is is pricey, but it has been amazing in my Hilgo, and it really helps to conquer anything. Plus, as you mentioned, for me one of the most important reasons to gi with the MD is drive-train simplification. Not so big in the QV as you only ever have one front chain ring, but it does give 2 front gears that wouldn't normally be possible.
Keep in mind though, that the 1:2.5 reduction makes for a HUGE jump and a lot of frantic shifting.. I tend to use mine for getting started and for very long hills only..
And even after starting I try to get to the normal gears as soon as possible, because of the rubbery feeling of the mountain drive's small gears..
It's great for what it is though and I wouldn't want to miss it :)
And while thinking about it: When taking a kid for a ride in the back, that's quite a bit of weight added.. And especially when starting off with low-rpm, it will probably feel like more effort than riding fast at a higher cadence.. So maybe the mountain drive would be a good option after all.. And looking for a more suitably geared cassette is too.. at Saukki's favourite speed of around 40, the gearing is awfully thin.. On his quest, he had a lot more overlap..
You can install an electric assist in front of the pedals and with just two screws take it off when there is no winter.
Having ridden both QuattroVelos ,at bicycle Evolution, with Schlumpf drive and Pedal assist I would suggest Schlumpf. Pedal Assist adds as many problems as it solves. You have to run Pedal assist in speed 2 or 3 three to cancel out the weight and drag that it adds to the bike and drive train. So riding around with out the motor turned on is really not an option. Schlumpf/Mountain drive is great to have when you do need it. You don't realize that it is even installed until you need it. The Quattro is a little heavier and slower than other Velos, so to have it installed wont hurt you, just help if you need it. Riding around in the bikes at the shop changed my mindset on everything!!! It is amazing what experience changes. Best of luck with your old and new bike!!!! believe it or not, the Quattro is my absolute FAVORITE Velo. There isnt any other model that I would consider. It brings SOOOOOOO much to the table.
Welcome to the four wheel community! Considering gears, keep in mind that you can carry more load, kids, grocerys etc in the quattrovelo than in your present ride.
Good point. Thanks!
Merry Christmas from Texas, really happy for you and can’t wait to see the new machine in action on your channel
I think you won't regret it... But please let us know everything about it when you'll have it, measurements etc. 👍🏻👍🏻
About the drivetrain, having a wide range for steeper climbs or not depends on:
1. Your ability to handle great forces applied to pedals those 5 times a year you mentioned
2. Alternatives to push or pull the velomobile along those climbs, if you can drag it with a little cable and head it easily where you want there are no problems, otherwise you're in trouble.
Electric pedal assistance is a great idea, but comes with a cost and you're right about itbeing a weight in summer: maybe you should look for a quickly removable one
Yes I'm going to make a lot of videos when it arrives.
Your new Velomobile looks Great, can't wait to see your video on it once you have it!!!!!
Here in the Netherlands it is also flat. So for my next trike, I switch from a side range to a narrow range. Not for racing, but for touring still high speeds and fast enough for the roads out here.
Not going to race and if do, I will not be fast even with other gears.
I now have an e-assist and I removed the speed limiter. But I can also switch back to my 3 bladed drive train in front.
I want to be able to swap and with the mid motor for bikes, you can easily do that. I don't know how it is in the quatrovello, but in most velomobile, you can easily remove the front drive train and swap it out.
Than you can drive with or without e-assist.
Know that the battery will perform a lot less good in the winter. So as you do that, make that you can cover the battery so it doesn't get to cold.
Congratulations for your choice - and you kept the best colour, too...
Congratulations, excited for you!
Congrats,can't wait to see it!
Congratulations Saukki! When it comes to the gearing, I believe it's not so difficult. Your rides are flat and you've hardly used low gears on the Quest. So I would think it best to use the 11-36 cassette. If ever you decide you need lower gears, you can still retrofit a SchlumpfMD and there will be no wait of another year.
Saukki, there was a thread on Bent Rider Online that had a lot of gearing talk about the QV. I haven't been able to find it yet, but there were comments all over the place about gearing. One person is even using a Pinion Gearbox with a rear cog giving him a HUGE range. Others are more concerned with efficiency than range.
Congratulations! I ordered a DF XL last September, my first velomobile. Merry Christmas and thank you for your videos.
Thanks! DF is a great machine, congratulations!
Thanks for the tip, if I have to wait 1 year i'm gonne orde this week
I've been fantasizing about the Quest for quite a while, I would get a 75t chainring with the Schlumpf Mountain Drive. BTW, last I heard the waitlist was 15 months.
Take the mountain drive - you don’t want to spend all your time the overdrive - though I did it with the HSD on my rapto.
I have to assume you could get a stoker style electric drive - easy to remove for summer
The large step down also isn’t an issue - you want the two ranges to be almost exclusive, since the change isn’t easy enough to start double stepping for perfect cadence.
I had a two gear overlap - it just gives a doubled range...
Hello, The GreenThing is my QV. It is standing on the hood. (at the moment missing). I think it is a good choice to have an QV out there. I have the normal 70t in mine. And climbing is difficult. I think the 65t will help.
Greetings, Kjeld
That is a beautiful photo in the calendar. And beautiful green QV 😊
@@TheVelomobileChannel It is an good picture for sure. I like the green kids stuff in the background matching with my velomobile. And thanks, I really like this color.
Merry Christmas, and congratulations for the new velomobile! Great choice! Will you sell your Quest and can you tow a bike trailer with a velomobile? If I was you, I would take the mountain drive because it can serve one day and better be safe than sorry 😃.
I'll probably sell the Quest, but we'll see. Yes you can tow a bike trailer with a velomobile. Velomobiel.nl is selling a trailer hitch for velomobiles.
I've watched you get more keen on the Quatro this year. So I'm not surprised that you decided to go for it. Personally I think it looks more practical in many ways. I also love the Orange. It will be exciting.
I'm very Happy that you buying QV very nice. Good for you Saukki. Congratulations..
...my option would be mountain drive with E14 (Bosch E-Assist together with Rohloff), however the chain drive is the best for the quattrovelo. ...and I support You with Your choice of the colour ☺
Saukki, I live in the Southwestern United States. We have lots of light here. Come visit, and see. Hey, congrats on the quatro, sir.
We have also lot of light in summer. Sun is shining almost 24/7. But then rest of the year is more or less dark :D
@@TheVelomobileChannel Yes, those never-quite-dark summer nights you have are amazing. All I was getting at was that if you ever want a change, there are other places to live. My personal opinion is, we don't have nearly enough Finns living here.
Congratulations brother Saukki.
Greetings from London. Happy Christmas !!!
Congratulations on the order Saukki! Are you keeping the Quest too?
The Quattrovelo is a cool bike. Also really grippy which will come in more than handy in Finland. Biggest minus for me would be the delivery time, if I win the lottery I'll order one as a second bike, for shopping, taking my kid and long trips :-)
Concerning the gearing: The cheap option would be to simply switch the gears (cassette and/or chainwheel) when the winter starts. However, I think on this sum and when buying a QuattroVelo I'd invest in the Mountain Drive: I currently mostly use the 56 chainwheel with my 11-speed setup, which would say one chainring is enough, but the DF feels a lot lighter than the QuattroVelo did when I tried it, and the QV is ready to take a lot of extra weight (groceries, children, etcetera). Having a reduction to quickly get up a bridge or cross a road can be very useful.
To be complete: I have a 34/56 setup on the DF, cassette is 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-28-32 with a 40-584 rear tyre. Haven't done much km's yet, but my "cruise speed" in rainy cold weather seems to be about 41-42 km/h, and I peddle a little bit slower than you. Usually I'm on 56/14 or 56/15, which is quite ideal since I can go up to ~48 km/h before I have to increase chain resistance to go faster (using 11 will waste a few percent of power! But when I'm going 60 km/h, who cares...). I will be trying the Heinenoord tunnel next week again, and it has an 8% part, so probably the 34 will be used then :-)
Swapping the cassette on a QV is NOT an easy job as it involves removing the entire rear axle assembly. Best to decide on the best ratios before buying the machine. Changing chainwheels is easier thanks to the removable floor panel.
Some good advice here ^^ didn’t know it was this difficult on a QV. in that case, if it was mine I think I’d go with the 2.5 reduction, but that’s personal - i have weak knees, so I want to keep the revs up.
You can also try a Capreo, have made a 10 speed out of it with 9 to 36. Then you can d a 2 by, 65/44
Oh one last thing: I'd take the 90mm brake option if I were you! I've tried a few new velomobiles with 70mm drums (not sure about the QV) and although I could do a good stop with my Quest (as long as the brakes were clean), the new bikes with similar sized brakes didn't feel more powerful. The DF has 90mm brakes as standard and the bite is wonderful, it just feels effortless. Much more comfortable, especially with - again - the weight potential of a QV (32 kg + you + child + groceries + tools etc.).
Good point! I'm going to get 90 mm brakes.
Hyvää joulua sinulle ja Saukki-perheelle prettig kerst feest for you en de famailie saukki
Wau! Hatunnosto tavoitteelle ajaa tuolla ympäri vuoden!
I once driven a nuvinci hub in my first velomobiel, the Bike was not fast and was heavy to keep it above 35 km/h... But with the nuvinci you can choise the right gearing Just sput on.. That would work perfect on the Quattro but you have issues about the weight SO... Don't understand if you don't have many mountans there, you should be ok with 2.3 kgs more weight.
I'd suggest getting the Mountain Drive w/ a 70 or 75 tooth ring. Then you have a higher top end while still being able to drop low when you need to.
I don’t see why I would need such high top end?
You should investigate reflective tape to help with visibility. I have it on one of my bikes and even other cyclists see them at night with their lights.
Great choice with the QV Saukki, sounds like you do not need the mountain drive if its flat over there.
@John, not so sure about that, Saukki had the Quest which was used to commute from a to b. Now it is also is going to be an educational tool for his child. Think that part hasn't sunk in yet...
New QV incoming? Nice choice. :)
I like watching you go through options relating to your situation. Winter?
Merry Christmas, Saukki!
Merry Christmas to you too 😁
Mountain drive plus 80t front chain ring so you use m drive up to 15kph and then have high end speed
I want one so bad. I just got a welder to build my own(hopefully).
Something should change in the legal parts of things. The electrical motor should be able to help at higher speeds, but they just need to limit the horsepower. That way you can commute fast by using momentum and be seriously environmentally friendly. Maybe more people would be willing to use the velomobile, and maybe even governments can give tax reductions or even sponsor peoples purchase of velomobiles. We need to have less co2 emissions! This is a good alternative for many people if the government would see the possibilities. High speed bicycle lanes would also help a lot.
i cant wait till u get your quattrovelo.
Katoppas, minäpä hommasinkin kickbiken, sellaisen punaisen. Jokin pöljänpitkä päiväreissu on jo haaveissa. Nyt joulu rennosti lomilla. Hyvää joulua ja uutta vuotta!
Hyvää joulua myös sinne etelään 😄
Wow nice one! Congrats man.
As for the gear. It's like you said, better have it and not need it than need it and not have it. I see Velomobiles as car replacements. So they should be able to go everywhere a car can. The only question is do you shell out on a low gear now or make up some DIY solution later (like converting to a 11 or 12 speed SRAM eagle or Shimano XT derailleur later with 11 to 50 teeth cassettes ) would not give you the same range but is a bit cheaper and probably good enough.
It's difficult to choose. At the moment MD seems like the best option. I asked vm.nl about what size rear cassette fits in to the QV and they said that 36t sprocket is the largest that can fit in there.
@@TheVelomobileChannel hmmmm! I don't see why we can't fit a larger cassette. The only limiter is usually the derailleur cage and you can replace that. But if nothing fits then I'd go for the MD gear.
That is most interesting that you are getting a Quattrovelo. It has both rear wheels driven I believe so I think that will also be of benefit in ice and snow. I am planning on getting a Hase Kettwiesel in 2020. I have decided to get electric assist because I prefer the extra power riding in the city. It feels more agile and able to keep away from the cars at junctions etc. However I don't think you do very much riding in town. I haven't ordered my Kettwiesel yet but the wait is much less so I will probably have mine before you get yours :)
Yes, I'm mostly riding outside of towns with as high speed as possible 😁
Only one rear wheel is driven. The one which has more traction.
@@suupaltti I don't think that is true - the Quattro Velo has independent ratchets/freewheels for the rear wheels, not a conventional differential.
Exciting! ... and it would be in the builder's interest to make sure yours is on time & without issue as you have over 6000 subscribers. Just sayin' .
Howdy!
I hope you ordered the reinforced version of the QuattroVelo.
In our group the mounting brackets of three QuattroVelos are broken.
It's not funny when you're in the middle of a tour
@@hoekie3652 The angles with which the rear axle is fixed.
As far as I know, these are available in normal and reinforced version.
In our velomobile group there are three QuattroVelos. In all three, this angle is broken and must be repaired/reinforced by the manufacturer.
Two of them were relatively new (about 3000 km).
I cannot describe the part in more detail, because I don't ride a QuattroVelo, but a WAW.
Good choise! And I saw my QV on the video.
Congratz and merry Christmas
How about just changing the front chainring for a smaller one over the winter, then putting the big ring back on in the spring? You will be fitting winter tyres etc, so could be done at the same time. The schlumpf is heavy (650g) and only compatible with square taper cranks. It can always be added easily later on if you decide you do need it after all. Happy Xmas.
Hey, that’s actually great idea. I imagine it’s much easier to replace front chainring than rear casette.
@@TheVelomobileChannel would stop you spending all winter wondering how much energy you are losing through the schlumpf drive - Finnish winters look tough enough already! :)
@@TheVelomobileChannel changing a front chain-wheel with or without the MD would take about an hour (adjusting the chain length is the fiddly part) As I said earlier changing the rear cassette is probably the hardest job on a QV as it is in the middle of the two axles and it's virtually impossible to remove with the rear suspension frame in situ. I've done it about 4 times in 3 years and it still takes about a day's work!
WOW !!! Félicitation... très bon choix, je vais aller au Texas me commander un Quattrovélo en février 2020. Ici au Canada, il n'y a pas de concessionnaires... Joyeux temps des fêtes Sauki... from Canada
Michel Mercier génial, c’est triste que BlueVelo a fait faillite, il vendaient des vélomobiles de toutes les marques à Toronto, mais je ne savais pas qu’il y avait des concessionnaires aux États-Unis, y en-a-t-il d’autres?
@@svelobikes9049 je ne sais pas s il y en a d autre qu au texas... bicycle-evolution.com....ici au Québec il y a Velomteck... ils vont sortir un nouveau modèle d ici peu... de style tadpole... et non delta... le proprietaire F Garneau un chic tip..n hésites pas à communiquer avec.......
Michel Mercier merci pour l’information! Je ne trouve rien par contre sur leur site internet pour communiquer avec eux.
@@svelobikes9049 Voilà info@bicycle-evolution.com ou bien Doug Davis dougd@bicycle-evolution.com
@Abdurrahman Habubilov .. A vrai dire il y a très peu de vélomobiles au Canada. Nous en voyons rarement. Mais techniquement à ce que je comprends nous pouvons faire du vélomobile facilement jusqu'a - 10 C. Sur cette vidé un professeur d'Université qui prends son vélomobile à tous les jours de l 'année.
ua-cam.com/video/KWKzld900p8/v-deo.html
Sinon du mois d'avril à novembre il est assez facile de faire du vélomobile
I like your idea of efficiency NOW ! U could always get mountain drive later if U find U need it. Congrats ... traded my electric sk8 board (WOWGO S2) for a Juiced bikes City Scrambler. HAPPY & Safe 2020 Saukki ! 🏁 I have been practicing Wim Hof Method breathing for 8 weeks now. There is a tour guide cyclist in Prague that sent me a response of how much it helped his training. 🌬🛀🏼🚿🥶🚲🚵🏼♂️🤙🏼
Can you do a video about rohloff and explaining why it wouldn’t be a good idea?
It’s just that internal gear hubs are more inefficient than derailleur gears. But I have heard that the Rohloff might be one if the better ones.
Rohloff hubs are useful for bikes with an open drivetrain (chain or belt), or clever use like on a FlevoBike Green Machine. A velomobile like the Quest, QuattroVelo or DF, have the derailleur and chain inside, so they stay clean, more efficient and are a lot cheaper. One advantage is you can shift a Rohloff when stipped.
I just learned that if I would take the Rohloff mid drive to a Quattrovelo, the chain would go OUTSIDE of the velomobile 😲
That’s not good!
@@jeroenpost5773 Why not a "Zwischengetriebe" (don´t know the english word). I can´t be so inefficent since the Birk Comet has it too.
My WAW velomobile initially came with a Rohloff, and I removed it about 10 months ago. I switched to a 2x10 setup with 36/58 chainrings and 11-42 cassette. There is a lot of drag with the Rohloff, especially in the lower gears and also when it’s cold out. I wouldn’t be surprised if the drag was as much as 15%. Once I switched to the 2x10 setup, I started getting many KOM’s and PR’s on Strava.
I'm hoping both rear wheels spin when you pedal the quattrovelo instead of just the rear right wheel. I'm definitely wanting a velomobile but I'm very tall and live in the usa so velomobiles are very rare.
If you want to test / buy a velomobile in USA, check www.bicycle-evolution.com
Merry Christmas Saukki and Congratulations on your purchase ! Does that mean that this was a Christmas present to yourself or from your family?
Also guys , What abt the NEW Pinion drives .... done right it could create Amazing gear range..... ??? Thoughts ?
congratilations))) happy for you
Do you have any instructions or plans for any simple velos ? They aren’t very common Here in Texas and I would like to try to build one.
I was thinking about using pollyeurethane like boogie board or soft top surf board foams with wooden stringers for support and mounted brackets for the running gear .
I’m not sure where to start.
you need a 4 wheeled alpha 7 , that is my opinion, no electric keep it pure
i dont think schlumpf is strong enough for quattrovelo, took mine off.
Congratulations! Cheers
Thanks!
Good video and nice velomobile
short crank arms and osymetric chainring
if you could lower the music when talking it makes it easier to hear you ... also look forward to seeing your new quattro adventures
Check your audio devices. Maybe you have some wierd eq drop at 1 kHz - 4 kHz range which would make the speech less clear.
Saukki... If I might add a word of caution... I worked for several decades in a children's hospital. As you might imagine, I am a child advocate... I have witnessed many childhood injuries. One of the central features of these injuries concerned the absence of direct line-of-sight observation by a responsible party (parent, grandparent, guardian). I only mention this to you because of your comments about commuting with your infant in the back of the Quattrovelo. In that position, you will be unable to directly observe your baby. If there are any unexpected events, you will be delayed in your response time (critical)... also, the roads you have shown in your videos do not seem super safe. Sorry to be a downer... I still like the QV. Safety First.
What is the volume of the trunk? I'm a bicycle touring hobbyist and I'm very interested for using Quattrovelo for doing velomobile tours.
It is large enough. See this six-pack test: ua-cam.com/video/mPRX8k4nzmw/v-deo.html
What is the fastest speed we can reach with the Quattrovelo?
Preview of the QV in the snow: ua-cam.com/video/kWhbtbCe208/v-deo.html Better than a 3-wheeler, but still not without issues. I hope the winter service on your road is going to be decent this year. This video was posted 8 months ago. When are you expecting delivery?
My current guesstimate is that it’s delivered early december. But we’ll see 🤨
Congratulations! Meanwhile my ELF was stolen last week 😭
Sorry to hear that 😳
Is the delivery time still 13 month?
Hello Sauki, i need help please. Received my new quest on the 24th, need to adjust my bottom bracket 20mm closer to me, how much should i shorten the chain? Regards
That’s a good question. No more than one pin shorter. You need to check it yourself. When the chain is on the largest front ring and largest rear sprocket, the chain should touch both rear derailleur idlers and you should be able to move the rear derailleur just a little bit by hand. If not, then the chain is too short. When the chain is on the smallest chainring & sprocket, then the chain shouldn’t touch the rear derailleur itself. If it does rub on the derailleur, then the chain is too long.
In my opinion you never need the latter combination, so that’s not so important. In some cases you are not even able to cut the chain in correct lenght. In you case if you are lucky, you dont have to cut the chain. Just dont use the smallest chainring & sprocket combination.
Sorted! Thank you for your help. Congrats with new velo, i waited 4 months dont know how you going to manage a year 😀
Just ordered my quattrovelo they told me 12-14 months to get it to the US
With it being 1x11, would it be possible to use something like an 11-40 cassette?
Unfortunately, according to Velomobiel.nl, 11-36 is the largest sprocket which will fit in QV.
are u getting rear disc brakes?
No, but I’ll get the 90 mm front brakes.
Have you thought about moving South ?
No. Why would I?
@@TheVelomobileChannel Weather / snow / ice .
Onko sun sukunimi Nurila? Tai sitten en nähnyt kunnolla)
Super!!!
What’s happening to questie?
They charge extra for mirrors? that really should be standard come on
One mirror is standard. 2nd mirror is extra.
@@TheVelomobileChannel i noticed that but still you need two anyway
Meinaatko pitää vanhan logon?
Kyllä se saattaapi vaihtua sitten, kun Quattro saapuu 😃
What does commute mean ?
Työmatka. To ride to work and back.
when will your QV be delivered ?
Hopefully before the end of the year. But first I have to sell my Quest.
Saukki - The Velomobile Channel
What stage is it at? They will update the status velomobile world’s website. Why don’t you keep your Quest?
I’m at number 20 on Velomobiel.nl order list. Not yet listed at velomobileworld. I’d like to keep the Quest, but I must sell it, otherwise I can’t afford the Quattro.
Saukki - The Velomobile Channel where are used velomobiles for sale ? Also how much would an used quest cost for these days?
One place to sell velomobiles in Europe is Ligfiets.net. Used Quest would be something between 2000€-7000€ depending on how old it is and in what condition etc.
I think you should call it 'sinaasappel"
This thing should be electric, theres a ton of room for a huge battery
Saukki, do I see that the largest cassette cog offered is only 32 teeth?
Although you have no need for a larger one, I do where I live, and if I were buying a Quattrovelo, I would want to avoid the cost, weight, and slight efficiency disadvantage of a geared drive. I was surprised to see that the largest cassette cog offered is only 32 teeth-- is that correct? So I might have a problem.
On my own velomobile, I found a simple chain-and-sprocket solution that gave me a wider gearing range. I recently replaced my 9-speed 11-32 cassette with an 11-40 cassette (meant for mountain bikes), with the following teeth: 11, 13, 15, 18, 21, 24, 28, 34, 40. At the cost of slightly wider gaps between gears, I got a nice low gear for the occasional very steep hill (in south-central Pennsylvania, we have too many of those). And I was able to stay within my modest budget.My wife and I continue to enjoy your channel immensely. Also, thanks for selling T-shirts-- she got me a red "bicycle evolution" one for Christmas!
The largest casette possible is 11-36. I asked velomobiel.nl if larger cassettes would fit, but the answer was no.
Tell the truth Sauki, the new one is for the wife.
But its so ugly :D Just my opinion, have fun