LGR 486 Update! Installing & Enjoying Windows 3.1
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- The LGR Woodgrain 486 PC is due for an upgrade... to the year 1992! I've got a boxed copy of Microsoft Windows 3.1 and a brand new Microsoft Mouse to enjoy so let's install everything on top of MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.0 and have fun with Lode Runner and Print Shop Deluxe.
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I like how that box for Windows 3.1 is so old that it has circled back around and become modern minimalism. It would not look out of place at all on a shelf today. Except the .... box ... on a shelf.. For software.. Part.. But you know, *theoretically* would not look out of place on a shelf today.
I was thinking the same thing!
You aint seen minimalism yet...Go look at the gui of an An Atari ST The average desert looks a well compared to this shit...And before you say"it aint a pc" , we talking about graphical Oses..
@@eurocrusader1724 I was talking about the box art.
My sister had this. And the old Office huge box with all the manuals inside. They do hold up now with the minimalism.
I always loved the white minimalism designs of games back then. If it was just a white box with a title on it..I had to go over to see what it was on the back..it always got my curiosity.
Love that Techmoan puppet mug!
Yeah, I just saw that too. So nice!
Flippin’ ‘eck!
What if I told you there were two of them?
I'm always a little disappointed when I watch a Techmoan video and it DOESN'T have the "Funny Puppet Segment". :)
keremizgol I was going to say the same thing! 😄
TV/movies are so crappy now it's more entertaining to watch someone install Windows 3.0.
amaxamon oh so true!
amaxamon I've never agreed more!
yep..
3.1*****
You aint wrong
That was my first computer when I was a kid, even though it was around 2002-2005 😂 (We basically lived like the 90s back then cuz of not having much money so everything we had was from the 90s including games and clothing) It makes me so happy and nostalgic seeing this again, I honestly want to go back
I had a Phenom II X2 550 based PC in 2017 - 2022 😂
@@RowanBird779 uhh what?
I had a windows 98 in 2003 Lol
@@knartfocker_ that's an OLD pc not hard to understand
@@SandboxerSandy as old as a 90s pc? Nope...
Thing I never expected to hear: "man, that is one clean ball bay."
Did.. Did he blow the dust off it?
Your mom has said it many times. Sorry lol
That is a new one for me too. I'm used to hearing, "That is one smooth ball bay"
😂
God, that little "ta-dah!" noise is just the cutest damn thing.
Thank you!
Yeah! That sound was actually used until Windows XP, and was replaced with a newer (and more boring) version on Vista.
I can't believe I'm getting all nostalgic about a version of Windows. I spent several years with WFWG 3.11/Dos 6.22 and they were happy days.
I don't why; but I kinda am too! (Even though my first experience with us owning a new PC with a GUI was having Windows 98 Second Edition...)
Windows 3.1 was the very first version of windows I used. I can still picture my classroom and the computers that ran Windows 3.1. For leisure time, our teacher let us play "Math Blaster" an interactive space game in which the character flew by jet pack and shot his green laser gun at enemies. The enemies were vanquished when you typed in the correct answer to a math problem.
Simple times and awesome times.
Lol, me too. We had Type to Learn and played The Oregon Trail. Dont remember the math game. I can see the computer lab right now. We all worked on 3.1 til they got a few Win 95 machines. Only the cool kids got to use the 95's though. 😑
If you told me in 1999 that in 20 years Id be watching people install and use windows 3.1 on an HD video sharing service Id never have believed it
The significance of those TrueType fonts can’t be overstated. They’d been introduced on the Mac OS, I wanna say about the time Win 3.0 was a new product. Microsoft licensed TrueType from Apple, included the tech in Win 3.1 and released a few sample fonts with the OS, including the mega-popular Ariel and Times New Roman. Before this, offices and home users wanting a printer had to decide whether they needed only simple printouts of basic-style invoices, reports, letters, etc, or if they needed desktop publishing capabilities, in which case they’d need an expensive, difficult-to-use printer that supported some type of scalable fonts, like Adobe’s infamous Type 1 PostScript fonts, which often had to be downloaded for specific print jobs from the PC to the printer, a process which many office managers would set in motion as they left for lunch, hoping to print some professional documents later that afternoon. It was beyond tedious and often required not only a special printer but also a dedicated PC or Mac.
TrueType was a revolution. You could use the fonts on dot-matrix printers, and - even better! - on those fancy and cheap new ink-jets. Almost overnight, anyone with a 386 and a dot-matrix could create documents almost as good as brick-and-mortar print shops could do.
Shameful product placement: Techmoan mug. And now I want one, too ;)
Flippin 'eck!
Awesome...but who makes those rockin speakers?
Shut it! MOAN REPRESENT!
edit: then he flipped it to the other side. Sort of a two-fer easter egg.
"And now I want one, too" Right?! My first thought was, "Where can I buy one of those?!"
I dunno. Techmoan is kinda hard on the 8-bit guy. He should leave him alone.
Fun fact: the way a window is closed, by double clicking the top left corner of it, still works in every modern Windows version up to 10!
That Twilight Zone feeling... when you realize hes right. D:
I still close windows that way because 3.1 was my first Windows OS
I have seen old people do this. Now I know why
What is this sorcery!?
Or maximizing a Window by double click the top
Dude i L.O.V.E. the new splash "LGR" graphic. Nice!
14:55 My friends and I used to have an unreasonable amount of fun making Igor say absurd things. Mashing the keyboard to put a string of useless noises in his mouth was a personal favorite.
lol
you!
Whats wrong?
@@matinsveismans not you, him. I always write that if I see a comment from a verified person that has not many likes / replies
Soisoisoisoisoi
“That’s one clean ball bay!” -LGR 2019
Print Shop... oh man... SO many memories. Thanks for treating those nostalgic times with such respect.
I love when LGR talks about his mouse balls.
"I've got balls of rubber"
Lol
@@Mick_92 I read that in Duke's voice
This video was like Christmas for my inner nerd. Hands down the best way how to spend 22 minutes ona Friday afternoon :-)
My first Windows was NT 4.0 because the machine used to belong to a lawyer. I'm typing this on the same keyboard that came with the machine, 25 years later! The keyboard is about all that survived but damn if it's not a fine-ass piece of tech - I'm glad to see you giving acknowledgement to OSes before 95 because it's something not a lot of people, even in the retro tech world, cover.
That dithered blue gradient setup background hits a specially nostalgic spot in my soul.
Woah. This brought back some memories. Especially the mouse stuff. I remember helping my dad teach people to use computers when he still worked for CompUSA. There were a surprising amount of people who simply could not hold the mouse mouse still while double clicking. x_x
Ahhh, the early 90s. Probably my favorite and most nostalgic era of computing.
@blackkey1976 Yeah, I think social media was the turning point. The analogy I use is that computing and the Internet of the 90s was like a small, friendly town, where life felt innocent and safe, even though there wasn't much going on. Present day computing is like the dystopian Los Angeles of the Blade Runner universe - busting, lots to see and do, a feast for the senses, but you always feel like you have to be on your guard.
That isn't a computer. That is a time machine and took me back to my childhood. :)
Antonio Francisco Magaña Gómez its a computer
@@almostliterally593 What's a computer?
@@ixionn563 Go to Wikipedia.
what's a wikipedia?
@@TheBodgybrothers what's a internet?
That was literally my first mouse! The serial port Microsoft mouse. And I still remember the mechanism that held the ball inside, for a 7-year-old me getting the ball out of that mouse was a fascinating experience.
7:17 I like how they have illustrated an "ergonomic" mouse being used incorrectly with the left hand.
I'm left handed and those mice were not made for people like me.
Discriminate left handers is what bill gate and his ms friends calls ergonomics.
@@danem2215 OK?
@@danem2215 Mice like these is why a left-handed friend of mine taught himself to use a mouse with his right hand
@@wohlhabendermanager I always used a mouse with my right hand, even though I never had a mouse this biased against me. Too used to it to change now. I might even have a leg up since typing is largely left handed and gaming with your dominant hand seems better. Hard to imagine doing WASD with the right one.
3.1 was my first as well... you never forget your first..
"Fine! I'll go write my own floppy drive! With Blackjack! And Hookers!"
Infact forget the blackjack!
@@jazmania
"Ah, screw the whole thing."
Chozo Ghost Bender!
readyyyyyyyyy
🎵 We're whalers on the moon...🎵
Man, this SERIOUSLY takes me back. My very first computer was a 3.1/3.11 one, and I definitely remember some of the weird built-in games and programs it had. I also remember playing a lot of odd DOS games like Sorcerian and Pinball 2000. Thanks for putting a big smile on my face with this. =)
You may laugh at the instructions on how to use a mouse but my friend when he first saw my Amiga 500 and it's Mouse
picked it up and started sliding it across the screen asking what does this do
It is weird how used to we are to these things nowdays, but this probably made sense to him that time.
"computer this is scotty"
Pouring coffee over a model m. You live dangerously sir.
You're not a true Windows user unless you've poured a drink over your keyboard.
Cardboard Sliver True, I’ve spilt stuff on my keyboard before
As have I. Several times lol
Cardboard Sliver I once accidentally spilled tea on a midframe AS/400 keyboard at work. I took the keyboard home, removed all the keycaps, sprayed it off with a water hose, dried it off, took it back to work, and it worked like new.
yes, I held my breath there too.
It's been years since I've been following but man, always gets me how genuine you are.
I think he's gotten better at it along with his showmanship style.
The Techmoan puppet segments are so good, they’re sneaking into other great channels as well.
yes
Ah man, those harsh, old computer sounds. That's really nostalgic. Makes me happy just hearing the thing working.
Reminds me of the good old days before the uprising
@@CakeLorde XD
He needs to make a vid on late 90s apple computers. I mean, those Perfoma/ MacOS sounds where marvelous. I just miss the era where computers comunicate more through sound feedback.
Omfg!!!!! LODE RUNNER I’ve been looking for this game forever .. I remember playing this when I was 7 years old ☹️ time flys
Clint, I remember what happened the last time you had a text screensaver...seems like you remembered too ;-)
TShut TUp TNow
Windows 3.1 DOES compute
Man, I remembering upgrading from 3.1 to 95 on 13 floppy diskettes.
Me too, damn that was good times. Windows 95 was mindblowing back in the day.
Only 13? I had Windows 95 on (I believe) 33 floppies!
As much as I appreciate the Techmoan mug, pouring fluid over a Model M terrifies me to my core.
At least he didn't smear peanut butter on it...
Not to worry -- friend of mine spilled Coke on her Model M keyboard once, unplugged it promptly, took it down the hall and rinsed in the dorm's bathroom sink, let it dry overnight, and it was fine.
Extreme marketing.
I've heard legend that the Model M can be safely cleaned in the dishwasher.
No heated dry, of course.
@@AndrewAMartin Yup, one of the first PC / Electronics shops I ever worked in. We would have business clients calling about their keyboards not working because someone spilled stuff on them. And most of them were Model M's or Clones. We would disconnect the cable from them, throw them in the dishwasher and let them dry for 48 hours, and they always worked good as new.
22 and a half minutes of 486 Win 3.1 nostalgia... and all I can remember is the Techmoan mug
Windows 3.1 was the first computer I experienced as a 7 year old. This video brings back so many memories. I used to listen to a Korn CD with headphones plugged in and zone out to the flying windows screen saver.
Same monitor I had but my system was a lowly Packard Smell 486 SX25. I also ran Win 3.1 on DOS 5. But then I found the AMAZING Norton Desktop for Windows. It takes 3.1 to the next level. It was windows done right. Alas, I grew up, and I turned to Linux. Thanks for the fun videos!
Ah, Windows 3.1 one of my first experiences with Windows, I played Solitaire, Minesweeper, Tetris, and tons of shareware games.
I could never understand how to play Minesweeper? :(
mrmactknife it’s a mind game that you have to avoid the touching the mines with the numbers that correspond to its proximity. It’s kind of hard.
That mouse sure brings me back, had the exact same one on my fathers computer! it was quite ergonomic for the time.
This takes me back.
Which is pretty much the idea of this channel summed up in four words.
Thanks LGR for uploading it. Win 3.1 was the first OS I ever used back in the early-to-mid 90s, thanks to my dad, who was a software engineer. He'd LOVE to watch ur content! RIP Dad.
Dude, you just triggered so much nostalgia in me. I still remember playing those arcade games on our old computer with either win 3.1 or 3.11 (can't remember) before I could even read. All those sounds just took me back. Exactly how I remember them.
My first Windows was 3.11 back in the day, great vid!
My first PC was an 8 MHz 286 that came with Windows 1.01. Inspired by LGR, I reassembled my second PC (a 20 MHz 286) and installed Windows 1.01 on it -- still needs a little work (replacement CMOS battery), maybe I'll make a video of it. It'll take you back to 1987 or so...
Same, such a great OS
SAME
I haven't watched the video yet, but this is going to take 22:34 out of my stressful life while I forget about my problems and am transported back to a simpler time and get lost in the sound of Clint's perfect radio voice. Thanks for making my day 22:34 less full of suck.
yeet
Yay New LGR 486 Video!
**Updates WoodGrain 486 playlist**
Print Shop Deluxe!!! I completely forget about that! You've just brought back some amazing memories!
Man, Print shop Delux brings back alot of memories of my childhood. Thank you!
That Sierra intro brings back so much memories! ❤️
"Wrote my own disk with blackjack and hookers!"
I laughed way harder than I should have at that.
That would be a shoutout to "Bender Rodriguez", the SOB robot from Futurama...
@@syxepop Yeah. I know. Hence why I laughed.
The star screensaver pulled a nostalgia string I didn’t know could exist for someone born in 98. My school didn’t upgrade their tech for a very long time.
I remember playing with it as a kid, being almost hypnotized, changing the amount of stars and different speeds.
I remember one of the many cheap disks I would get having a version that added colored stars and other stuff. I think it may have let you change options while it was onscreen, and allowed adding Star Trek sounds.
I think I ended up using Windows XP (my school didn't upgrade too much either) from 2003 until 2013/2014 and was so different going from that to 7 to 10. Would be interesting to try out these older versions of Windows sometime. Love watching his excitement for this stuff and I find it so fascinating and enjoyable.
Well, Windows had that screensaver up until XP. So perhaps the computers weren't all the outdated.
Accidentally left captions on from a previous video, and I must say, these are some of the most finely crafted I've ever read. Probably going to turn them on for all future videos, good job!
Serious nostalgia, but I have to admit starting my PC years with DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.11.
very natural coffee pour
does not seem suspicious in the least
I also enjoy my mug handles being hard to reach
My fam. fist PC was an AST with window 3.1. brings back memories.
No shit mine too! I have never met anyone else who had an AST machine.
Nice, ours was a Packard Bell 486 with Windows 3.1 and we eventually upgraded to Windows 95.
For me the ultimate version of WIndows 3.x is Windows 3.2, which was only released for the Chinese market
The reason you rarely use the last installation disk, at here in England, is because that's where it keeps all the alternate language files. For instance, if your copy of Windows is American and you want to have the language be French, then you'd need to use that last disk to get the language files. Sometimes(for instance on the Amiga OS) this was called the Locale or Localization disk.
I thought it was for the printer drivers.
Not just OS' but quite a few games did this, too.
For instance, the original Worms was 3 disks, but disk 3 was only required if you chose French or German language during start-up(the first disk was bootable, and would request disk 2 or 3 after loading halfway, depending which language you chose) or installation.
Ten years from now:
"Today Im going to install WinXP with service pack 2 on my Pentium 4 with hyperthreading"
d ph Except he already built an ultimate XP machine a few months back. SP3 on Core 2 Extreme
Nobody:
Pentium 4: I think I'm going to run at the temperature of the Earth's core
Nah, about 2 years ago. XP Pro on my AIO liquid cooled 478 pin Pentium 4 EE with that sweet AGP 8x action. Need to still do a few upgrades on it though, when I get around to it. I'm just glad RGB was never cool, so I don't have to worry about it having retro appeal.
Soon Windows 7 and my current PC will pass into the retro history hall of fame and I will be living in the glorious post modern past, or on Linux. Been using Manjaro this year on newer laptops and Debian for like 6 years on servers and VMs. The desktop PC as we know it is being slowly eroded away in favor of social engineering and cloud computing services. It might have 10 years left.
@@WR3ND OK but windows 7 has nothing to do with this tho
Ah, classic Windows 3.1, good to see a new video from you to help me get through the day Clint!
My family's first computer was a Packard Bell with Windows 3.11 on it.
Ah, the memories...
My Family’s first PC was a Gateway 2000 with a 386SX. I flooded the bathtub and water leaked on top of it. We then had another Gateway 2000 that was fairly similar and I broke it by typing a lot of keys on the keyboard(don’t know what I did) we then got an AMD k6-2 PC at some point, then my dad gave it to my grandfather who just recently gave it back to me.
Wow what trash... im an elite soo excuse me
Same. My uncle had one in his wood shop and we used to play DOOM on it. Then we got one about a year later.
The Techmoan mug is awesome.
I started out with Windows/386, and very soon upgraded to Win 3.0. As I remember, version 3.0 was a great improvement in the look of the OS, but by far Win 3.1 brought the most dramatic improvement in performance. In particular, the memory manager EMM386 and disk cache Smartdrv were both enhanced, and 32-bit disk and file access were added as options with Win 3.1 and 3.11. You needed to make cryptic edits to the MS-Dos configuration files to take full advantage of the improvements because Windows would not do so by default. To really get the best performance you had to experiment with your own system, and directly manipulate the loading of drivers for mice, CD-Rom drives, etc, because the best use of a program like EMM386 depended on the specific configuration of your own system. If you upgraded your system with something like a new printer, scanner or such you might very well need to redo all those experiments to continue getting the best performance.
The improvements in those two programs that came with Win 3.1 made a very positive difference in most any game that required a 386 processor, whether DOS or Windows based, and also accounting software, spreadsheets and word processing programs. Everything benefited, especially if you had more than a megabyte of RAM.
So although most systems running 3.x were not using the best options and thus were not seeing the most improvement, still it can be said that the available performance difference between Windows 3.0 and 3.1x was one of the best in the history of computing for such a small incremental version number change.
One of the fun things I miss about Win 3.1 was AfterDark screen savers. They were a lot more fun than the ones that came with the OS.
I remember having Windows 3.1 on my old 386 computer. It ran SOOOOOO poorly, that I seldom used it for anything other than "Afterdark" screen saver app or...well, I think that's it. I used DOS for everything else. But I LOVED that Afterdark screen saver program, I'd spend hours on it just goofing around with custom screen savers. Even that ran in slow motion, but back then I didn't know any better so I didn't care. I got so many nostalgic vibes watching this one. Thanks again!
15:07 "Flippin' 'Eck!" It's TECHMOAN's MUG!
I remember when the Microsoft mouse came out. And YES they were high gloss in a time when ALL mice were matt finish. I remember wanting one because it was smooth , shiny and fit in the hand well.. BUT they were $69. And I thought that was a little too expensive for a mouse. I always used a plain old IBM mouse.
Shout out if you grew up on Windows 3.11 for Workgroups.
I was about 14 when I upgraded my 486 SX2 50mhz monster from Win 3.1 to Win 3.11. I really had no idea what the improvements were... I just knew that I NEEDED it.
Yep. lol I even recall I was going for an IT sames job. The interview had gone a little stagnant. The company director (small company) said "So what are you running at home?" I spouted "Oh just a 486SX33 with SB16 Sound Card running Windows 3.11 with 32 Bit extensions." The director looked at the support engineer, who looked back at the director. I got the job.
But but but I first used a Microsoft operating system of DOS 3.2 sans windows. QQ
Brings back memories from computer classes back in primary school!
I switched from an C-64, 1992 to an 386/40 from AMD with 4MB Ram and an 80MB WD Cavier. I really forgot if I had Windows 3.1 but 3.11 I remember very well, playing Civilization over a 14K Modem with a guy in the next city lol I think that was 1995, at that time I had an 133 Mhz Amd overclocked to 160 Mhz. That was such a beast compared to my 386 ;) Good times, does someone remember the FIDO Net? That was the source of my Windows95 beta on I think 35 Floppy Disks, wich took forever to download. My parents kicked me out after that lol
Clint, the Lode Runner and Microsoft Arcade brought back some memories, thanks for making this video.
Love how you use Canyon.mid for every sound test.
I seem to recall disk 7 being entirely for printer drivers. That's likely why you didn't need it.
Fun fact: that "spinning gear" item seen while Print Shop Deluxe was installing is called a "throbber".
Finally a LGR / Techmoan collaboration that got physical !
i always enjoyed your videos. thanks for existing, LGR!
OMG, my buds and I used to play with Talking Scheduler for hours. So nostalgic! Thanks for the great memories.
4:00 "Aliens Studied My Copy of Windows for 47 Straight Hours!"
Alright, cool.
Not as unbelievable as the "Windows 3.1 reliable" headline.
8:33 I played Doom for years on that exact type mouse. I loved the gloss finish.
When I would move the mouse to fast across the mouse pad the ball would bounce missing some of my moments and I would die.
Next up Windows 3.11 (windows for workgroups). That shaped my life in IT (that and Windows NT)
Wow this 3.1 loads faster than my windows 10
You tubes new logic for inserting ads in the middle of a video is hopelessly broken. They drop ads right in the middle of you speaking a sentence and it's jarring.
Kevin Loughin Also, no way to indicate a specific ad is not interesting and won't generate saleable clicks from me.
They do this in the middle of music tracks too
Well, they try this way, to force you to subscribe to the UA-cam Premium service...
use ad block! im watching youtube in the browser, not the application on my android tablet. I don't get any ads.
@@simontay4851 and the video creators you watch are not getting paid for your views. Like LGR, I earn my living through you tube. More than 53 percent of my views are lost income due to ad blockers. We don't make that much as it is. Its not a good paying job. You might reconsider if you enjoy the entertainment we toil to make for you.
Absolute cream of the crop content!!
8:06 Yep he smelled the thing..... now the video can truly begin! LOL
I can relate. I smell everything out of the package
Like #69 - my work here is done. 8\
Phoenixesper1 mmm those noxious packaging fumes
The coffee mug totally yells "Flippin'egg!"
its flippin eck (flipping heck) unless your making a joke about eggs i dont get bud :) but im guessing your not a brit tbh and mishearing/completely misunderstanding lol :)
"Ah! It's so pink!" - That is, indeed, what she said.
Legit version of Windows 3.1? Now there is something I never owned :D
Don't copy that floppy!
We used to find widows 3 so clunky that we stuck to DOS and used a program called Automaxx to lauch all our programs from a configurable splash page after boot.
Yep.. I used batch files for certain things, and a program called "Stereo Shell" for working in the file system, and a program called "LIST" (yep, that was the name) for viewing text files. I had a metric s**t ton of disks back then.. Looking back, I wish I'd kept my old computers.. Aah well.
Where can I find more information on Automaxx?
This is where I started with PC and gaming. I had NEC 33Mhz, 8MB RAM, 100MB HDD, no sound. Lol
Not even a PC speaker? Oh, man, you had it rough.
The way you said balls.. sounds like Duke Nukem lol
Personally my most anticipated LGR video.
Not disappointed. r o l a n d
Yay techmoan mug! Not often anymore is your monitor so dwarfed by your keyboard...lol
Windows 3.1 was my first graphical operating system experience as well!
Same
I still don't consider it an operating system. More like an operating environment.
@@leandrotami True, it's more akin to KDE on Linux -- without DOS underneath, Windows 3.1 wouldn't work.
@@AndrewAMartin or Dosbox hiding behind the curtain lol
Ironically, updating Windows in the 90s is a better experience than updating Windows today. 😂
Also, I wonder what an LGR channel _for Linux/Unix_ would look like. "Today in Linux Gnu Reviews we take a look at....Debian 1.1!"
"Use the Microsoft Mouse in either hand with equal comfort and support." LOL yeah RIGHT
Unequal form, really?!
Packard Bell. Ugh.
Bad memories. And not the failed chips that were soldered to the board...lol
It reminds me of the 1990s Packard Bell monitor my family had when I was a child.
It nearly caught on fire one day, despite the monitor being off.
¡Amigo, esto es grandioso! Mi primera experiencia con Windows fue con la versión 3.11. Pasaba horas jugando a Jewel Thief y SkiFree. :D
and you needed almost 30 floppy discs to install windows 95. I saw all of those in my uncle's closet along with the computer
“Three point eleven” just sounds weird having called it “three point one one” forever.
Roomate walked in as he said "That's one clean ball bay!" So that was fun
*watches video*
*wonders why Clint has somewhat strayed from his old self*
*hears Clint say "balls" in his Duke Nukem voice*
"It's ok people, he's back!"
LGR 486 Update! Installing & Enjoying Windows 10.