Allis Chalmers WD 45 Marvel Schebler Carb Service
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2021
- A Marvel Schebler Carb off of a 1956 Allis Chalmers WD45 is the subject of today's exercise. If you saw the recent First Start of the WD, you've seen the product of this video in action already. So many details of the cleaning of the carb would have had to be left out if this had been included in the First Start video. Having a separate video will allow those that may have the desire to see in more depth and detail the process I typically use for servicing these as well as Zenith carbs on old machines.
One thing to bear in mind, this video is not a total restoration or even that thorough of a 'servicing' of the carb. Usually they will be subjected to a few cycles of an ultrasonic parts washer filled with a commercial carb cleaning product. I'm hitting this one with a lick and a promise for the explicit purpose of getting the WD to run to assess the condition of the motor. IF she becomes a 'keeper', proper full service and rebuild will be performed.
Normal carb service for one such as this that has sat for an extended period usually includes the utilization of an ultrasonic parts washer for the cleaning of the internal passages, jets and nozzles. An Ultrasonic washer electronically creates an "ULTRA" high frequency of waves that pass through the liquid parts cleaner...whatever it may be....and the resultant vibration causes the release of the normal nastiness that resides in these old carbs. They are the best device I've found to clear the tiny internal passages through the body of the carb that are extremely difficult to clean by normal means....compressed air and a spray can of choke/carb cleaner. Don't get me wrong....that technique and many others may provide the same result, but I guarantee it will not be accomplished with any less effort.
During the filming of this video I had no idea yet of the condition of the engine or even IF it was going to start and run. No reason to do a stellar rebuild on a carb that may NOT be put to use. One thing for sure though nothing done in this video is in vain, because if it is to get a thorough going over in the near future, it will be a much easier task to accomplish and most of the nastiest of the issues will in fact already be behind us. - Розваги
44 thanks these are the things new mechanics have never seen
God Bless All
PaK
Fortunately these type of old carburetors are quite simple. The newer Ford tractors in the 70's started using a Holly carb and they are still simple compared to an automotive 4 barrel, but they are more complicated than these. Thanks for chiming in Peter...and good morning to you sir.
I got to say I like our work you are a expert
Well, maybe not quite that competent....but I know enough to get me by. Hey...btw, cool name. I have only known one other guy EVER with our first name !!
Worry about making everything perfect later 😂😂
I wish the wife was there when you said that 😅😅
Nice job 👍
Hahahaha...she'd have had something to say I am sure !! The plan with this tractor is to be a donor to the older W Speed Patrol. Hopefully the power steering is in good shape, because THAT would be the perfect 'upgrade' with that old heavy front end. Combine that with the higher HP of the 45's power plant and it should really be a pleasure to grade the road with.
That was a nice and complete carb cleaning and rebuild..... not for show but for a getting her purring like a kitten.....CHEERS
Yeah, I ain't too much for pretty things. I have only got enough time to make 'em run and put them to work !! Thanks Gator for watching.
hi there nice job it will run like a champ . take care john
Thanks John. Its not doing too badly now that the carbs fairly clean. Be safe.
Just recently purchased a 1960 oliver crawler. It has that same carb. I had mine apart to get tractor running. Got it home and in the shop but will have to go thru it again, new gaskets etc. Your video was very informative, thanks.
Great Merlin !! Glad to hear you benefitted from the video !! Just make sure you maintain the correct float height and blow carb cleaner in each and every passage followed by compressed air. Have a wonderful day and good luck with the old Ollie.
Awesome tutorial video my Friend, can't wait for the next one
Thanks Jan for the supportive comment. How's things going in your country? ...South Africa, right? You certainly have some interesting videos too my friend.
@@tractorman4461 Yes I am from South Africa, as you might have been seen I am an old tractor, vintage and mechanical freak, glad I found your channel
@@jankotze1959 thank you for the kind words once again. It does look like we work on a lot of similar items. We might even trade ideas in the future on this problem or that problem....
@@tractorman4461 Absolutely my Friend, You have a very diverse channel as well, I see you restore or have some old toys as well, I have close to 300 model tractors, mostly vintage ones, and trucks, cars and other household antiques, my old 1959 Lister d engine, 1949 Farmall Super A and two very old 3.5 hp Briggs mowers is my hart's point, love your Massey Harris, we have a lot of antique tractor show's in SA, all the old stationary engines, steam engines, Slattery harvest equipment and plows etc, is so awesome. I think old Slattery harvest machines are SA design and produced, not 100% sure of that
@@jankotze1959 That is way cool. I know very little of your country. Yes, I like the old stuff. One of these days I'm going to dig out a 1909 5hp Galloway flywheeler and build a cart for it. I have a spare buzz saw that is just begging to be put to work.
Hello Tractor Man. I watched yesterday and thought I had left a comment. Getting older sucks : ) Great explanation. Thank you very much . All my very best.
Aw heck, I've replied on the I-phone and do something wrong and it doesn't show up. At least that's what I tell myself Bobby. LOL. Thanks for stopping by.
Just watched this video, and was impressed. Gald you didn’t come up with less parts than you started with. Hope the engine switch works out. Hope to see you soon fingers crossed.!
Looking good T! Fingers crossed and on the edge of my seat....LOL. Have a good long weekend!
Hahahaha... I think it must have been your good luck wishes that made it a success !! LOL Thank you my friend and don't work Guy too hard this week.
Can't beat old tractors for ease of repair👍
Yep...gotta be simple for a dummy like me to make work !! LOL. I do enjoy fiddling with these things though.
Solid rebuild sir!!
So far so good. That old 45 pops right off with little effort. I think the more it runs the smoother it is !! Thanks Andrew for the visit.
@@tractorman4461 anytime man your videos are always an encyclopedia of knowledge!! Keep on keeping on man!!!
Great video thanks for all your help on the video. and talking to me about my tractor
No problem at all David, you are welcome. I hope its helped you get on the right track with it.
I'm sure trying. Do a video sometime on your ford 2000 I'd like to see the video of it and a walk threw on what's what and how to work on the carb and gas lines if you could
@@davidshultz4986 You know I have a whole list of videos I've done on it to change the water pump, convert it to Petronix electronics and also servicing the Holly carb. I don't think I've edited any of them yet except the water pump. And actually its only making a gasket by hand FOR the water pump. Here it is: ua-cam.com/video/Zj99eAFHsaw/v-deo.html I have at least 3 videos on the 2000 that I just gotta edit !! Of course I think I told you that already...LOL
Have no fear WENDELL is on the JOB, especially Detailed operation is his strong suit.
Hot doggies Tom, I got lucky on another one. That's GOTTA be the answer. Glad to see you get that the devil is in the details....LOL. I love your comments buddy !!
Just an FYI most local OReilly Auto parts stores carry that carb rebuild kit too.
Yes, I have a cousin at the local NAPA that runs down a lot of my parts but I usually just go through them and get them running before I go for the actual rebuild kits. If I keep the tractor, then it'll get the whole she bang mechanically. Thanks Casey for the heads up. I do get most of my automotive parts at the local O O O Reilly's though.
great video great information! I been using this baking soda blaster I built to blast the bowls clean since I dont have an ultrasonic cleaner for carbs. it works well but baking soda up your nose sucks! lol enjoyed the video!
Hahahaha....there's a country song in there somewhere Dave....LOL. I used soda blasting once. I had a free 40 pound bag. It worked quite well, but I wore a face mask. Actually once I got the machine set, my daughter took over the project.
@@tractorman4461 I need to seriously learn to wear a face mask. lol just not my thing. lol low lung capacity makes it hard to breathe.
I've worked on more than my share of these during my run with Wisconsin Air Cooled engines back in the 80's & 90's.
Speaking of those straight blade screwdrivers, I like to use 'hollow ground' screwdrivers as they get a much more positive grip in the slot of the screw.
I prefer the screwdrivers from a company that is perhaps better known in Cabinet Making and Gunsmithing,..these are the Grace Screwdrivers.
I have at least one of the old Wisconsin singles on the shelf and my Much Older Brother snagged the V-4 off our New Holland field hopper years ago. I love the sound of the V-4. We had the identical one on our New Holland baler too !!
Yes, the hollow ground are desirable for sure. I have one or two but I have never heard of 'Grace' drivers. Hmmmm....I'm now on a quest.... My son recently turned me onto JIS screwdrivers for the Japanese bikes phillips screws. They grip those phillips like no other phillips I've used. I always use a hand impact with a standard phillips....not with the JIS. They grip so well, the shock of the impacet is not needed as much. Thanks for the informative comment buddy.
@@tractorman4461 Just a little ( ! ) side comment on those Wisconsin engines, I've been kicking myself for not taking a couple, or even one, on these venerable old V4's home with me. ( Ain't hind sight just wonderful? )
By the way if you have Lee Valley Tools ( Lee Valley.ca ) available to you on the 'Web' look them up, they carry these Grace screw drivers, and here in Canada at least, are considerably at a lower cost than Amazn.ca.
@@regsparkes6507 OK, that is good to know Reg. Thanks for the heads up. Maybe one of these days I'll try to talk my older brother out of the V-4 and try to get 'er up and running again !! LOL
@@tractorman4461 Would you have to know, or can you find out, what model of V4 does he have,..i.e. VH4D, VG4D etc.
@@regsparkes6507 I'll be going back over this week to help him time and install the newly rebuilt original magneto on his old '37 Massey Harris Challenger. I'll see how hard it'll be to get to it. But I THINK he may still have the original book on the engine. One uncle had a Wisconsin twin on his smaller baler, but it is long gone.
Thanks on the great video on the carb disassemble and cleaning I got my 1949 wf grader running yesterday do you have any videos on points and condenser installation and what part number they might be there's no serial number on this wf thanks from retired grader guy.
I try to not change the original parts until its the last resort. Nowadays there are so many cheaply built foreign parts that uses poor materials on the contacts. I've had several sets that literally destroyed themselves in hours. I'm sure though that there are some that are better than others, but I always clean points with a points file and reinstall.
When I DO end up needing replacements I try to make sure they are high quality American made components. I'm lucky to have a good counterman that's good at finding what I need. Sometimes you get a counterman that if its not in their computer base, you are out of luck and he won't do anything beyond to help you. You gotta ask around to find the right guy to help you.
Of course in an emergency use anything you can find and you may get lucky with a good set. Unfortunately I do not have part numbers for the Allis's because I've managed to keep the old stuff in service. You might find a Facebook Allis group that will be able to steer you in the right direction. This is only one of the groups: facebook.com/groups/1664229040573296 You might be able to go to their search bar and type in what you are looking for.
Here's another playlist of the Allis AND a Farmall M grader. I think one of these I have to pop off the magneto cap and clean the points on this tractor: ua-cam.com/play/PLk72G9DTzZ1uaExp9gnfvJDflZB-rKFf_.html
I have used some steel shot or nuts in some old carb float bowls to remove rust with a bit of carb cleaner, never had an ultra sonic parts wash! Always worked great!
When it comes to floats, i check them in a small bucket with gas, let them sit over night if they sink, there is a leak! Soldering them is fun!,
Is there a part 2? The video ended quite short!😂🤣😂🤣
Actually this is what I cut out of the 'first start' video because I thought this could stand alone. Marvel's are on thousands of pieces of equipment out there. If it'd been left in the original video, I would have had to cut half to three quarters of this out to keep the video short. At the end of this video, it goes out and goes right on the tractor for the fire up !!
Wendell, im having a slight issue with the MS off of my 2n. Fully ultrasonically cleaned it. Got it back together. Runs pretty good. Idle mixture is still pretty rich, even with the idle mixture screw turned all the way in. Im going to check to see if the carb halves are not warped. im thinking that the transfer hole is not sealing properly through the gasket, affecting the mixing on the idle circuit. Does this sound about right?
I had a 4000 Ford with a similar issue. Mine turned out to be a warped bowl that was easily repaired by gently sanding on a 6'' x 48'' belt sander with a fine grit belt and then installing a new gasket. Its very difficult to troubleshoot your specific issue without hands on, but know that many times, I have to adjust them, work them a while and readjust or clean again to get where I want them.
On a side note, I have two Massey Harris 44's that will not even start with their own carbs on them. But switching carbs between the tractors make both of them start and run almost perfectly !! I've not figured that out yet. So what I'm basically saying, we have very old and worn machines and sometimes it just takes a bunch of fiddling to get them going good. Good luck and sorry I am not giving you a definite answer.
What would you say would be a good baseline for the two adjustment screws ? For example chainsaws and many other things are usually all the way in lightly seated and then 1.5 to 2 turns out
On Marvel Sheblers and Zeniths on tractors I always start out 1 1/4 turn off seat. Then go from there. This seems to always be in the ballpark. If not there’s still something else with the carb giving a problem.
Yesterday was trying to get the main and idle jet out of a Marvel Schebler TSX 241-B that has set for years and years. I stopped trying to force the main out and left it, the screwdriver slot is ok but messed up the slot on the idle. I had tried soaking in penetrating oil etc but no luck. Have you had any luck getting a damaged jet out of one of these? Thanks for a great channel
I use an ultra sonic parts washer and the strongest version of Berrymans ChemDip carb cleaner. That usually breaks the bond on the jets. Your's being buggered up sounds like a real challenge though. I keep a set of screwdrivers specifically for carb work. It's important to have perfectly shaped tips to fit the square cut slots. And I exert as much pressure as I can put on them to break them loose.
So i did get mine running today .not sure what actually did the trick .i took the carb apart again .i did make one adjustment on it .i loosened the springs that controlled the flaps if that makes any sense .i noticed the flaps didnt close all the way and the large flap was stiff.and i noticed that coukd adjust this by loosing the screw that took pressure of the spring and made the flap more flexable or moveable
Well...I am glad to hear you got it going. Sometimes its a trial and error kind of thing. Hope it stays running good for you. Thanks for the additional input.
@@tractorman4461 i have the video up of it running after i fixed it if u want to see it
Any way to contact you? I'd like to have that WD45 Loader.
I was pretty tied up today, but I sent you and email. Thanks for stopping by and watching Ronnie.
Would you want to rebuild the MS carb for me
If I started working on tractors for the community Michael, I'm afraid I would quickly lose control of all my spare time. However this fellow can be found on FB and is highly recommended and will give you a firm price before you send it in. He speciaizes in Marvel Shebler's and it will look like new upon return. His name is Jim Hughes from Winslow Indiana. If you have trouble finding him, let me know and I can probably get an email and or a phone number for you.