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Doug Polk Poker No one ever mentions the (very unlikely) possibility of 97ss as one of the possible hands you'd lose to and which would also pretty much be a) never folding in this situation and, b) Koon is going to possibly play it the same way from pre-flop?
"Most people have a 'if you got me, you got me' approach, but some really great players may be able to lay this one down." *Koon proceeds to lay this one down.* That is some classy commentary, man.
That was great to see that interaction when Jakoon bumped his head on your shoulder. That was a good thing for you to do and tell him, you could tell his stress immediately dissipated.
Wow, I had to watch it like seven times to see what you were talking about and you are exactly right. Good eye, that was a great show of respect and a gargantuan lay down
@@captainstubbing1it’s much worse when you are in live stream- folding boats is something that eats up your reputation. You only need this to be a bluff 1% of time for people to forever label you an idiot for folding a boat. He most likely wasn’t stressed about the money but rather how it would look like if he just got bluffed or folded to over played A9
@@koslim you mean that river bet was perfect. The raise was very stupied . Jason koon Lost minimum and that river bet was so Good you don't understand.
@@koslim Well he must have some fold equity since he did fold. I think that the small overbet on the river gave him the info he needed to be able to fold. As you said, he gave the impression that he would call anything on the river considering that "stupid overbet size" in that perticullar situation ... and it does dramatically decrease the chance of being bluffed or raised by any kind of 9. That river bet gave him the option to fold quite accurately on the river. The reality is that à river bet of 30k on the river to get raised to 90k-100k by Doug would make it impossible to fold.
its was a very good fold yes, amazong? no. with bottom full this is a bet fold spot. he polarized himself to force any trips into a bad spot, same time its really hard to bluff against that. so a reraise there almost always has you beat. i agree with polk that A9 would be a much better call than 33, however i disagree on that clear value raise with 77. while there not many suited combos out there, still more than half of your opponents valuerange ahs you beat. your opponent need specifically 33, A9s, 10-9s, J9s and maybe Q9s to call you here, everything else is either air or has you beat. so 77s on that baord are actually kinda dicy, and more of a very thin value raise. polarizing that much will fold out often 33, 9-10, adn q9. i think A9 is always a call with not no 93s combos only only a few 97s/k9s combos out there so he target A9 specifically if we consider our opponent can now fold the weaker ones. bluff catching isnt really that apealing as played, with that checkraise on the turn koon basically says he has a fullhouse or A9 at a minimum. with that said bluffing should be much less frequent, so bluffcatching even less.
Doug, some minor feedback for you: I think it would be better/more suspenseful if you omit the size of the pot in the title? I was clearly interested in seeing what develops throughout this hand but knew Koon was folding on the river after seeing there was $309k in the pot after your river jam. I get the idea that listing the actual size of the pot probably gets you more clicks/views so if that's your priority then I understand. Maybe instead title it: I have SET OVER SET in a massive six figure pot! (or something similar).
He already said that he does that because in the internet world you need the click bait but maybe he should consider exaggerating. Call it a $403,000 pot, and when the fold happens we can all be "da fuk?" :)
I think you need to work on your game face. It doesn't give much away, but it looks like you're trying to take a particularly difficult shit, sort of a mixture of pain and concentration.
Not only are the poker hands so well synchronized that they both constitute full houses, but also the physical hands playing poker became quantum entangled at 5:18
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Great fold by Mr. Koon. He really has been world class for a long while though. True he doesn't beat many, if any hands Doug shoves for value there, it's still astonishing to see how high level these guys really are. Great hand.
Good fold for sure... Not many players fold a boat vs Doug. That said, the king on the river (and the fact that he (Koon) overbet the river) makes a fold a *little* easier because if Doug had Kings, he would have played this the exact same way and AA or A9s would just fold or flat to an overbet... Although, it would be interesting to see if Koon could still get away if the river was a 2 (or the equivalent). For Koon to get away then, he has to put him on (almost) exactly 77.
@@drewf8619 I agree. Good fold, but the river overbet was the best play on JK's part. If someone bets over the top of it they have you beat 99% of the time. The overbet saved him a lot of money by removing any real chance of Doug polarizing at the end.
Against nit thats easy fold(not so easy when u have that shit on your hand fr😂) but against Doug its so hard to fold when dude jammin every other river💯😂
Hi Doug Polk Poker. One of the better videos. Great thinking and analysis, very in depth and I enjoyed the manners of telling Koon your hand at the end and the "there are some people I would lie to but not Koon".
Very familiar with card removal but the spade talk with the K 9 kind of blew my mind a little... definitely wouldn't have thought of that being the only suited K 9 available
I know, right? I consider myself to be a really good amateur that accounts for card removal, but I never would have made that connection. The more you know...
That's because you're a simple man, On a seriouse note how do get notified if I win , (Im only subscribed to hes youtube channel but I think that counnts as one entry for the giveaway) , does he upload a video on youtube selecting the winner or winners or how does he do it ?
I’ve been away from poker for a few years but after watching a few dozen of your videos I think I’m gonna start playing again. You’re a great speaker communicator and content creator.
The oversized bet lead on the river by Jason made it much easier to lay it down when he got raised since his range is so polarized. If he only bet half pot, Doug could see that at as a sign of weakness and Jason could justify a call since Doug may be making a move. But an overbet means that if Doug reraises he is basically never bluffing and of course he wouldn't do it unless he was full.
Alot of time I listen to you analyze hands I think go on and on and kinda over a analyze the hands and its hard to keep listening but I do respect you and appreciate all your wisdom.
I can't believe he folded... what a smart move. I would have preferred seeing an instant ALL-IN from Koon at the river acting like he would have the strongest hand possible. ~that would have been even more awesome!
I enjoy the comme tary about what is going through Dougs Head during a hand. I myself may have bet 7-8k on the turn card but after listening to tour thoughts will interract that in my own game thanks
I think its truly amazing koon didn't get stacked here, but I appreciate doug played it this way for balance overall. I think that's an important concept, this is like the best possible situation almost.
Totally agree with most parts of the video. Only questions I have are about the size of the river reraise and Koon`s calling range for that price. Blocking bluffs with (J9s)/T9s/98s, the J being the least harmful, feels to -noobish- me about as ugly than not blocking K9s/97s ( 3 combos, after all!) with 33 ; - A9s, and the highly unlikely Q9s, is obv a very clear call. As basically all of J9s/T9s/98s/33 have a rather difficult time for the price, while we represent a pretty nutted range (we are after all at the very bottom end of our thin-value-squeezing here) , I could see a slightly smaller bet showing more benefit in the long term.
WOW. I did not see this hand when it originally aired, so I didn't know what the result was -- AWESOME laydown from Koon. God, he's become such a good poker player.
Yes! Chess After Dark! Who's with me? Wait...no one? Got to love the nod to Neeme! Another great vid! Keep up the good work and let me know if there is going to be another giveaway!
DID HE FOLD?? OMG!!!! No human could do that... I used to play him on midstakes like2y ago... Now hes def one of the toppest players in the world... And I say that as a former pro player. big bow for Koon
Because unless Doug is making a super crazy bluff, his bet on the river proves that he must have Koon beat and is not making that move with a worse hand.
And after two years I've noticed that Doug spent 3 minutes talking about the difference between making a pot sized river raise or a larger size when JK had just one pot behind.
Hey Doug! On the topic of your comment on the end about "great players might be able to fold this spot", Ike folded a fullhouse vs Maria in the shark cage last year if I'm not mistaken! Would be really cool to see you playing a heads up hand (or even a heads up no limit game...!) against him! Love ur vids, keep up the great work! :)
I respect this fold though. I think he can put Doug on pretty much 77s, or an out of character huge-balls bluff.. perhaps KK, but most likely 77. The way the play went I think he showed some sense and discipline to make the fold in any case with a boat. It's one of those moments when you have to think, the board is paired, is this raise real? -- FML-FOLD. Well done both. Doug I don't mind your raise-size (if it's a shove sorry I don't have sound on). Thanks for the hand broseph!
wow nice hand and nice laydown! Makes me wonder though if you made river raise to like 149k or 95k to call if it would open up a wider range of calling hands like mabye even A9 or better, the K on the river he might not of even repop it with k9 cause the smaller raise would make him think you might have quads for value or maybe even kks full
"Doug, you're not the guy to fold full houses to, man". @18:00 love the looks on the other players faces as if "Did Koon just say what I think he said???"
Did you raise him all in on the river? Or were stack sizes listed incorrectly? Don't you think a smaller raise would be better OTR to 130k seeing as there is not too many worse hands you can get value from ? would you bluff any hands with this line other than maybe 73s?
Doug, one suggestion: Instead of spoilering the actual size of the pot you'd do yourself as well as your viewers a huge favor if you instead took the potential effective combined stack sizes and thus potential pot size that might result on the felt. That way you're not spoilering whether the hand will be folded at a certain stage and you have the added benefit of the pot potentially being able to be much more huge than it actually was. I think that's a neat solution. Wondering what you think about that.
2 thoughts here. Pro level fold by Koon. A lot of people can talk when they see the cards, but in the heat of battle, it would to fold a full house. The second thing is that it’s nice to see that Doug hasn’t forgotten the $5/$10 grinders like Andrew Neeme and Brad Owen now that he’s hit the big time. Many people forget their old friends once they reach a new level. Doug shows nice character and maturity by keeping close to his old mates. Good luck in the future Doug.
I think the reason he is friends with neeme and brad is because they are all youtubers. I'm pretty sure doug wasnt friends with them before they made a name for themselves with their vlogs, but its still nice that he is friends with them. I just wouldnt call them "old friends"
Classy move to not revel in the moment of taking down the pot @Doug Polk Poker! I've seen some that take joy in rubbing it in. You, my sir, are a classy card player! P.S. I'd love to play you sometime, but I don't have the money 😂
Doug, do we have any bluffs here at the river? Im not sure what bluffs we call OTT and then raise OTR or are we raising a hand that can't win if we call? great video, the A9 call over the boat with 33 is a great analysis, tyvm
he named 73s at the end of the analysis. that's like half a combo though considering 73s is mostly gonna be a check or bet-fold on the turn. I think K7s works really well too but again that's a marginal turn bet-call
I really can't think of many combos. K7s and 73s are the only combos I can think of. Normally I'd say your weaker trips, but weak trips block straight cards (69, 89, T9, J9) and Q9+ is probably too profitable just calling since your opponent has all of those hands. A7s maybe?
When you're bluffing, you want to not have cards you want your opponent to have. TT blocks T8 and JT, both hands you'd like your opponent to have. On this board any 6, 8, T or J is a bad card to have since it blocks the most likely bluff hands from your opponent (straight draws). Since it's hard to get to this river without those cards in your hand yourself, unless you have a monster, it's hard to have too many bluffs.
Ok then what about 1 combo of AA with ace of heart and Ace of spade. Blocking A9s. It is better bluffcatcher i guess, just trying to thing about bluffs. But if i thing about good bluffs if we dont have ones the bluffs can make propably better profit if he is overfolding there.
You give him 2:1 so he needs to be right 33% of the time. So you have to bluffing 33% of the time. You have 19 combo value (KK/99/77/K9s/K9o/97s/97o) so you need to have around 9 combo of bluffs. What hands would you choose to bluff with? JTs and 73s it's 5 combo, guessing some JTo some % of the time?
Wow I must actually be learning something... I was calculating card removal on the turn before Doug even mentioned it. I'm sure I'd still find a way to go broke though.
I really like your bet size on the turn and logic behind it. I also perfer just calling the raise since your in position. Out of position i'd say reraise and bomb the river. King was a lttle scary though. He could have taken that line with kings I suppose, although the early action pretty much reads that he doesn't have Kings because I doubt he doesn't raise preflop and check the flop on that board unless he's running some kind of trap or simply balancing his range. But yeah smash the river either way IMO.
He's not an absolutely world class player for no reason. Koon would have had the same or v similar analysis as Doug gives so he's likely to be able to make an excellent fold. He does have a fh but it's nowhere near the nuts and he has been raised too.
I think it’s a pretty straightforward fold in that spot. Can you tell us why you didn’t make your bet look more like a bluff? Because at least in my opinion that Bet looked like you were betting for value and what hands Bet for value on that board? Now I could be wrong here but it seems like no matter what considering that line that you took he should always fold pocket 3s
Doesn’t that river card hurt and that’s why it would be best to re-raise the turn? You have a lot of 9’s in your range and you have a better chance to get stacks in.
And i thought i was doing well winning a $40 pot earlier today.. Thanks for ruining that, Only joking man congrats and thanks for the advice on K-9 suited etc and removing certain cards from the opponents range.. I'll be sure to use this the next time i hit the tables.
I agree, that K9 explanation honestly blew my mind a lot more than I thought it would. That philosophy of card removal is absolutely phenomenal. It’s certainly a major contributing factor in being a very successful player.
ThEBizZzeL exactly..., Doug also implies that only the 4 combinations of k9 suited are in Koon's preflop calling range, that's why we can discard all other k9 combinations
stupid question: After Koon check raised on the turn, in his position would have not been maybe more coherent to check river? in case Polk was bluffing? Or in his mind you risk to loose too many value from hand that might check behind since you just called pre flop? if someone more advance than me could clarify this would be amazing for me thanks a lot in advance
Build the pot! Love it, great analysis, always entertaining. I've seen you play many times, you're truly a class act at the table and that's sometimes nearly impossible to be. Glad to see you win a nice pot.
Doug, the river play seems counter intuitive! Why wouldn't K7 of spades be a a better bluff? Surely this is the best hand since it blocks 77 & eliminates K9 which is the certain calling range & 33 can be in the value folding range. So blocking a 3 becomes closer to mutual V Koon. When you tiny bet the flop & turn wouldn''t K7 be in your range or is it folding to the check raise? And over-pairs are calling? To pot control & check the turn with a K7 after the flop action (+ Preflop) seems mental. Very strange hand. Koon is only really representing 33. Since you would expect like K9 T9 to 3 bet most of the time. Therefore, Koon is surely folding most hands in his range? Correct? Koon calling with 77+? Only calling with a 9 seems questionable, Since couldn't you add A9 into your range? Get called by more combos of 9s and get occasionally full houses to fold? 6 cpmbos of 77 (+ 0.5 of a combo of K9) you will lose to but you will beat more 9s if Koon sticks to calling trips.Assuming all suited 9s flat preflop.
love the breakdown analytics... yea,, its easier to wrap your head around a fold, and not really look at the board as a full house, but, what do you beat with what Doug is repping here..i have to wonder if A9s was in his thought process, as that was a serious possible hand for Doug.. K9.. i dont think he ( doug) bets as big, and i DO think Doug over bet.. i think he raises to $115K.. he gets a call.. maybe a reshove but at least a call, thinking AK was trying a semi bluff, or A9s.. etc.. just a thought..
What are your bluffs on the river after calling turn? Just naked 9’s? And if only 9’s then isn’t any 9 in villain’s hand blocking all the bluffs so 33 is a better call. Damn I suck at this.
There’s not many better boats that are credible though. KK is never played is this way. 93 definitely folds preflop. So I guess the only two hands you’d be worried are the suited combos K9 spades and 97 spades. And I think even those hands would be questionable preflop calls from the small blind with two more blinds left to act. But even still there’s two combos that beat you and three you beat.
@@nicks210684 9 3 suited might be one to go with preflop, in the small or big blind, as you're already invested in the pot, and you might as well see a flop (who knows, maybe you flop a flush or flush draw, as well as the potential for two pair). I tend to play any suited cards if I'm in the small or big, so long as it hasn't been raised up massively. Saying that, I did call an all in preflop earlier today with 7 2 suited and won the hand with a pair of 2s so my credibility isn't the best
First time listener, long time caller. When u reraise the river, did you want him to call or fold? reraise seemed huge [thats what she never said] you said it yourself the only hand he can call with is k9 spades. Why not min reraise?
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Hi Doug! Dude play me heads up
Probably should do 28 x 500$ giveaways to share the love, instead of 1 winner..ppl just love better odds too, Im in btw ;)
Doug Polk Poker No one ever mentions the (very unlikely) possibility of 97ss as one of the possible hands you'd lose to and which would also pretty much be a) never folding in this situation and, b) Koon is going to possibly play it the same way from pre-flop?
he did mention it bro
I absolve you of your blasphemy my son.
"Most people have a 'if you got me, you got me' approach, but some really great players may be able to lay this one down." *Koon proceeds to lay this one down.* That is some classy commentary, man.
yeah Koon is great player thats why
that awkward moment when you build a reputation for overbluffing and people still fold boats to you when you have it.
Even with that weak action in the flop...
That awkward moment when you flop set over set and forget to mention in the title that you only netted 70BB after your opponent over bet the river
That's kind of what I was saying, if JK had a channel he should do a video about how he owned this spot
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after they bet 54K on the river themselves.
That was great to see that interaction when Jakoon bumped his head on your shoulder. That was a good thing for you to do and tell him, you could tell his stress immediately dissipated.
Wow, I had to watch it like seven times to see what you were talking about and you are exactly right. Good eye, that was a great show of respect and a gargantuan lay down
@@captainstubbing1it’s much worse when you are in live stream- folding boats is something that eats up your reputation. You only need this to be a bluff 1% of time for people to forever label you an idiot for folding a boat.
He most likely wasn’t stressed about the money but rather how it would look like if he just got bluffed or folded to over played A9
Respect to Koon. What a fold...
Yeah that was amazing. But a for a $200k bet you'd better be sure you're ahead.
@@koslim Til you don't bet a fullhouse on the river. You'll never play these stakes so please stay quiet
@@koslim you mean that river bet was perfect. The raise was very stupied . Jason koon Lost minimum and that river bet was so Good you don't understand.
@@koslim Well he must have some fold equity since he did fold. I think that the small overbet on the river gave him the info he needed to be able to fold. As you said, he gave the impression that he would call anything on the river considering that "stupid overbet size" in that perticullar situation ... and it does dramatically decrease the chance of being bluffed or raised by any kind of 9. That river bet gave him the option to fold quite accurately on the river. The reality is that à river bet of 30k on the river to get raised to 90k-100k by Doug would make it impossible to fold.
its was a very good fold yes, amazong? no. with bottom full this is a bet fold spot. he polarized himself to force any trips into a bad spot, same time its really hard to bluff against that. so a reraise there almost always has you beat.
i agree with polk that A9 would be a much better call than 33, however i disagree on that clear value raise with 77.
while there not many suited combos out there, still more than half of your opponents valuerange ahs you beat.
your opponent need specifically 33, A9s, 10-9s, J9s and maybe Q9s to call you here, everything else is either air or has you beat.
so 77s on that baord are actually kinda dicy, and more of a very thin value raise. polarizing that much will fold out
often 33, 9-10, adn q9. i think A9 is always a call with not no 93s combos only only a few 97s/k9s combos out there
so he target A9 specifically if we consider our opponent can now fold the weaker ones.
bluff catching isnt really that apealing as played, with that checkraise on the turn koon basically says he has a fullhouse or A9 at a minimum. with that said bluffing should be much less frequent, so bluffcatching even less.
Doug, some minor feedback for you: I think it would be better/more suspenseful if you omit the size of the pot in the title? I was clearly interested in seeing what develops throughout this hand but knew Koon was folding on the river after seeing there was $309k in the pot after your river jam. I get the idea that listing the actual size of the pot probably gets you more clicks/views so if that's your priority then I understand.
Maybe instead title it: I have SET OVER SET in a massive six figure pot! (or something similar).
Adam agree with you.
I agree as well. It isn't a huge annoyance, but it does give away what the action is.
He already said that he does that because in the internet world you need the click bait but maybe he should consider exaggerating. Call it a $403,000 pot, and when the fold happens we can all be "da fuk?" :)
Agree. Closest thing to a spoiler
Adam yeah agree. Knowing the outcome is boring
I think you need to work on your game face. It doesn't give much away, but it looks like you're trying to take a particularly difficult shit, sort of a mixture of pain and concentration.
Looool😂😂😭
Not only are the poker hands so well synchronized that they both constitute full houses, but also the physical hands playing poker became quantum entangled at 5:18
That's pretty amazing... almost looks deliberate
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that read
lol doug such a live fish
Haha brilliant!
Great fold by Mr. Koon. He really has been world class for a long while though.
True he doesn't beat many, if any hands Doug shoves for value there, it's still astonishing to see how high level these guys really are. Great hand.
Good fold for sure... Not many players fold a boat vs Doug. That said, the king on the river (and the fact that he (Koon) overbet the river) makes a fold a *little* easier because if Doug had Kings, he would have played this the exact same way and AA or A9s would just fold or flat to an overbet... Although, it would be interesting to see if Koon could still get away if the river was a 2 (or the equivalent). For Koon to get away then, he has to put him on (almost) exactly 77.
Good fold
It's an easy fold
@@drewf8619 I agree. Good fold, but the river overbet was the best play on JK's part. If someone bets over the top of it they have you beat 99% of the time. The overbet saved him a lot of money by removing any real chance of Doug polarizing at the end.
Against nit thats easy fold(not so easy when u have that shit on your hand fr😂) but against Doug its so hard to fold when dude jammin every other river💯😂
Hi Doug Polk Poker. One of the better videos. Great thinking and analysis, very in depth and I enjoyed the manners of telling Koon your hand at the end and the "there are some people I would lie to but not Koon".
Doug loves the game of poker and the competition. The money is just to keep score. Classy player who is a credit to the game we love.
Set over set? Favorable situation.
nice the plugin after that :-)
avid chess player, world of warcraft expert world cybergame tournament damn doug you must have hit so much gash back then
Oh Douglas
You should see his leather jacket, the man clearly slayed!
Warcraft 3, not World of Warcraft
Cue 3's & 7's by Queens of the Stone Age
great song
"...some really great players MIGHT be able to lay this one down." Classy.
Love the Neeme cameo.
How great is that???...
Very familiar with card removal but the spade talk with the K 9 kind of blew my mind a little... definitely wouldn't have thought of that being the only suited K 9 available
Yes, that insight blew me the F away....
word
jes if there is only a bb k9o is myby in but (ev not against doug) but against bb and straddle this handbecome a clear fold
I know, right? I consider myself to be a really good amateur that accounts for card removal, but I never would have made that connection. The more you know...
I'm a simple man I see a give away
I enter
I don't win
That's because you're a simple man,
On a seriouse note how do get notified if I win , (Im only subscribed to hes youtube channel but I think that counnts as one entry for the giveaway) , does he upload a video on youtube selecting the winner or winners or how does he do it ?
EdI de - he typically announces on Facebook
I don't use facebook so i guess I cant win then, or even if I win I wont know about it , thanks anyway.
I'm a simple man
I'm a single man
I’ve been away from poker for a few years but after watching a few dozen of your videos I think I’m gonna start playing again. You’re a great speaker communicator and content creator.
Holy shit thats an insane fold, especially because Jason has to know your 100% capable of bluff-raising river there.
Love the in depth analysis regarding card removal, available combos, and precise ranges!! Keep it up duuude!
17:47 That serious face though.....Seriously, though this was an excellent vid full of golden nuggets of information. thanks, Doug.
Andrew Neeme knows what's up.
but he wouldn't be able to fold as JaKoon did
always love the Rounders reference
Best graphics I've seen on the hand info- very clear on what's going on
"I don't even fold my laundry" - Doug Polk, 2017
The oversized bet lead on the river by Jason made it much easier to lay it down when he got raised since his range is so polarized. If he only bet half pot, Doug could see that at as a sign of weakness and Jason could justify a call since Doug may be making a move. But an overbet means that if Doug reraises he is basically never bluffing and of course he wouldn't do it unless he was full.
Alot of time I listen to you analyze hands I think go on and on and kinda over a analyze the hands and its hard to keep listening but I do respect you and appreciate all your wisdom.
I can't believe he folded... what a smart move. I would have preferred seeing an instant ALL-IN from Koon at the river acting like he would have the strongest hand possible. ~that would have been even more awesome!
Good stuff in this video. Thank you Doug for all you do for us!!!
That's actually really interesting that there's only one K9 suited left, hadn't thought of that
Sick fold. Respect.
Wow what a fold! I want to see Berkey and Polk play heads up!
3:01 "Rather Favorable" goes to Andrew and his bs clothing line HAHAHA Doug is so funny I swear this guy would've been great at anything..
I enjoy the comme tary about what is going through Dougs Head during a hand. I myself may have bet 7-8k on the turn card but after listening to tour thoughts will interract that in my own game thanks
I think its truly amazing koon didn't get stacked here, but I appreciate doug played it this way for balance overall. I think that's an important concept, this is like the best possible situation almost.
Totally agree with most parts of the video. Only questions I have are about the size of the river reraise and Koon`s calling range for that price. Blocking bluffs with (J9s)/T9s/98s, the J being the least harmful, feels to -noobish- me about as ugly than not blocking K9s/97s ( 3 combos, after all!) with 33 ; - A9s, and the highly unlikely Q9s, is obv a very clear call. As basically all of J9s/T9s/98s/33 have a rather difficult time for the price, while we represent a pretty nutted range (we are after all at the very bottom end of our thin-value-squeezing here) , I could see a slightly smaller bet showing more benefit in the long term.
Doug you're clearly a clever guy but you do so many giveaways and always seem to forget about them it's mind blowing
It's a highly edited video. He didn't forget about anything. It just flowed better to do it that way.
Its okay guys... drew is here. We didnt know. Now we do know. Thanks drew
Thanks Drew for clearing that up, just in case he wasn't joking.
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+drew f Nope. Doug Polk clearly just has a bad memory...
Doug always has the deepest stack at the table lol love it
WOW. I did not see this hand when it originally aired, so I didn't know what the result was -- AWESOME laydown from Koon. God, he's become such a good poker player.
5:50. Awesome synchronized check shuffling!
Yes! Chess After Dark! Who's with me?
Wait...no one?
Got to love the nod to Neeme!
Another great vid! Keep up the good work and let me know if there is going to be another giveaway!
DID HE FOLD?? OMG!!!! No human could do that... I used to play him on midstakes like2y ago... Now hes def one of the toppest players in the world... And I say that as a former pro player. big bow for Koon
Nice shout out to Neeme. You should show up at one of his meet up games at the Westgate. You might have fun.
How does he fold to doug
Because unless Doug is making a super crazy bluff, his bet on the river proves that he must have Koon beat and is not making that move with a worse hand.
he has plenty of jj-qq and aa to bluff with
Those aren't the best bluffing hands though
That question right there is what doug wants you to say.
no with this hands he doesnt blocks anything important. i am not a pro but i try to follow dougs logic.
And after two years I've noticed that Doug spent 3 minutes talking about the difference between making a pot sized river raise or a larger size when JK had just one pot behind.
Where is the spot in this game???
Death row lineup 😂 there is no spot in this game.
Pretty generous to say that Koon has 3 combos that beat you. I don't think neither 99 nor 97s is in his range.
Hey Doug! On the topic of your comment on the end about "great players might be able to fold this spot", Ike folded a fullhouse vs Maria in the shark cage last year if I'm not mistaken! Would be really cool to see you playing a heads up hand (or even a heads up no limit game...!) against him! Love ur vids, keep up the great work! :)
Hey Doug can you explain how you come to the conclusion that your opponent is twice as likely to have a nine if you don't have one?
If you have a 9, there's only 1left in the deck. If you don't have a 9, there's 2 left in the deck. 2 is twice as much as 1 😀
I respect this fold though. I think he can put Doug on pretty much 77s, or an out of character huge-balls bluff.. perhaps KK, but most likely 77. The way the play went I think he showed some sense and discipline to make the fold in any case with a boat. It's one of those moments when you have to think, the board is paired, is this raise real? -- FML-FOLD.
Well done both. Doug I don't mind your raise-size (if it's a shove sorry I don't have sound on).
Thanks for the hand broseph!
5:15 both players playing with their chips in sync
Loved the tip of the cap to Neeme (literally) in the vid. Favorable.
wow nice hand and nice laydown! Makes me wonder though if you made river raise to like 149k or 95k to call if it would open up a wider range of calling hands like mabye even A9 or better, the K on the river he might not of even repop it with k9 cause the smaller raise would make him think you might have quads for value or maybe even kks full
Reminds me of Rounders. He was thinking "Here's the beauty of this game I flopped a set of three's and I want to keep him in the hand."
"Doug, you're not the guy to fold full houses to, man". @18:00 love the looks on the other players faces as if "Did Koon just say what I think he said???"
Great analysis on the turn! You can also min raise the turn with J4 off and call s jam...
Ooh the recent memories when I got stacked a month ago in a 1-2 game!
I had 33 against a very undervalued AA on a 223AQ board. Still feel the pain.
Did you raise him all in on the river? Or were stack sizes listed incorrectly? Don't you think a smaller raise would be better OTR to 130k seeing as there is not too many worse hands you can get value from ? would you bluff any hands with this line other than maybe 73s?
What's up Polk, Doug Guys here.
Isn't it better to raise 77 on the turn on that board? The raise on the river looks way too strong imo. It's easier to rep a bluff on the turn.
Well if the K didn't come on the river it would have made it easier as well
Great river analysis. By far the most interesting street for this hand. Great fold most would snap. Blockers discussion was very interesting .
Doug, one suggestion: Instead of spoilering the actual size of the pot you'd do yourself as well as your viewers a huge favor if you instead took the potential effective combined stack sizes and thus potential pot size that might result on the felt. That way you're not spoilering whether the hand will be folded at a certain stage and you have the added benefit of the pot potentially being able to be much more huge than it actually was. I think that's a neat solution. Wondering what you think about that.
2 thoughts here. Pro level fold by Koon. A lot of people can talk when they see the cards, but in the heat of battle, it would to fold a full house. The second thing is that it’s nice to see that Doug hasn’t forgotten the $5/$10 grinders like Andrew Neeme and Brad Owen now that he’s hit the big time. Many people forget their old friends once they reach a new level. Doug shows nice character and maturity by keeping close to his old mates. Good luck in the future Doug.
I think the reason he is friends with neeme and brad is because they are all youtubers. I'm pretty sure doug wasnt friends with them before they made a name for themselves with their vlogs, but its still nice that he is friends with them. I just wouldnt call them "old friends"
Sick lay down by Koon, though I'm sure he too thought of what hands he doesn't block.
Classy move to not revel in the moment of taking down the pot @Doug Polk Poker!
I've seen some that take joy in rubbing it in. You, my sir, are a classy card player!
P.S. I'd love to play you sometime, but I don't have the money 😂
Doug, do we have any bluffs here at the river? Im not sure what bluffs we call OTT and then raise OTR or are we raising a hand that can't win if we call? great video, the A9 call over the boat with 33 is a great analysis, tyvm
he named 73s at the end of the analysis. that's like half a combo though considering 73s is mostly gonna be a check or bet-fold on the turn. I think K7s works really well too but again that's a marginal turn bet-call
I really can't think of many combos. K7s and 73s are the only combos I can think of. Normally I'd say your weaker trips, but weak trips block straight cards (69, 89, T9, J9) and Q9+ is probably too profitable just calling since your opponent has all of those hands. A7s maybe?
What about TT, it blocks possible bluffcathers T9 combos.
When you're bluffing, you want to not have cards you want your opponent to have.
TT blocks T8 and JT, both hands you'd like your opponent to have. On this board any 6, 8, T or J is a bad card to have since it blocks the most likely bluff hands from your opponent (straight draws). Since it's hard to get to this river without those cards in your hand yourself, unless you have a monster, it's hard to have too many bluffs.
Ok then what about 1 combo of AA with ace of heart and Ace of spade. Blocking A9s. It is better bluffcatcher i guess, just trying to thing about bluffs. But if i thing about good bluffs if we dont have ones the bluffs can make propably better profit if he is overfolding there.
You give him 2:1 so he needs to be right 33% of the time. So you have to bluffing 33% of the time. You have 19 combo value (KK/99/77/K9s/K9o/97s/97o) so you need to have around 9 combo of bluffs. What hands would you choose to bluff with? JTs and 73s it's 5 combo, guessing some JTo some % of the time?
Doug, can you please explain the combos of hands you were talking about in most of the videos.
Wow I must actually be learning something... I was calculating card removal on the turn before Doug even mentioned it.
I'm sure I'd still find a way to go broke though.
But wouldn't you turn trips into a bluff occasionally in this spot? Would unblocking your straight-draw cards be best?
I really like your bet size on the turn and logic behind it. I also perfer just calling the raise since your in position. Out of position i'd say reraise and bomb the river. King was a lttle scary though. He could have taken that line with kings I suppose, although the early action pretty much reads that he doesn't have Kings because I doubt he doesn't raise preflop and check the flop on that board unless he's running some kind of trap or simply balancing his range. But yeah smash the river either way IMO.
I can't believe he actually folded that...wow
What is he beating though?
He's not an absolutely world class player for no reason. Koon would have had the same or v similar analysis as Doug gives so he's likely to be able to make an excellent fold. He does have a fh but it's nowhere near the nuts and he has been raised too.
I think it’s a pretty straightforward fold in that spot. Can you tell us why you didn’t make your bet look more like a bluff? Because at least in my opinion that Bet looked like you were betting for value and what hands Bet for value on that board? Now I could be wrong here but it seems like no matter what considering that line that you took he should always fold pocket 3s
Doesn’t that river card hurt and that’s why it would be best to re-raise the turn? You have a lot of 9’s in your range and you have a better chance to get stacks in.
Whats the point on playing against all those regs? do you think you have a big edge?
And i thought i was doing well winning a $40 pot earlier today.. Thanks for ruining that, Only joking man congrats and thanks for the advice on K-9 suited etc and removing certain cards from the opponents range.. I'll be sure to use this the next time i hit the tables.
2009reay k9 explanation made me think too... Very powerful advice there
I didnt quite get this card removal thing. In my eyes the opponent could have all variations of K9. Whats the reason for it?
I agree, that K9 explanation honestly blew my mind a lot more than I thought it would. That philosophy of card removal is absolutely phenomenal. It’s certainly a major contributing factor in being a very successful player.
we expect opponent to not call preflop with k9o in this hand. which leaves only 4 combonation of K9 + was thebizzel said
ThEBizZzeL exactly..., Doug also implies that only the 4 combinations of k9 suited are in Koon's preflop calling range, that's why we can discard all other k9 combinations
Hey Doug,
That's cool that you used to play chess, I currently play myself. What was your peak rating while you were active?
@6:30 "Polk's not gonna pull plug on his ventilator yet.." HAHAHAHAH
@15:53 you say having a 9 is actually better. I'd just like to correct you by saying More rake is actually better!
Amazing analysis but a larger bet on the flop gets way more of his chips if not all. I get the theory though for the small sizing, thx.
Doug, how did you get started in poker and how did you build your bank roll? tournaments or casino grind
stupid question: After Koon check raised on the turn, in his position would have not been maybe more coherent to check river?
in case Polk was bluffing?
Or in his mind you risk to loose too many value from hand that might check behind since you just called pre flop?
if someone more advance than me could clarify this would be amazing for me thanks a lot in advance
Could you ever turn trips into a bluff here if he’s bet folding full houses or should that just always be a call?
Wow Koon. Polk, be honest, are you able to fold that?
Damn Douglas I didn’t know you played chess. what’s your rating?
Build the pot! Love it, great analysis, always entertaining. I've seen you play many times, you're truly a class act at the table and that's sometimes nearly impossible to be. Glad to see you win a nice pot.
Doug, the river play seems counter intuitive!
Why wouldn't K7 of spades be a a better bluff? Surely this is the best hand since it blocks 77 & eliminates K9 which is the certain calling range & 33 can be in the value folding range. So blocking a 3 becomes closer to mutual V Koon. When you tiny bet the flop & turn wouldn''t K7 be in your range or is it folding to the check raise? And over-pairs are calling? To pot control & check the turn with a K7 after the flop action (+ Preflop) seems mental.
Very strange hand. Koon is only really representing 33. Since you would expect like K9 T9 to 3 bet most of the time. Therefore, Koon is surely folding most hands in his range? Correct? Koon calling with 77+?
Only calling with a 9 seems questionable, Since couldn't you add A9 into your range? Get called by more combos of 9s and get occasionally full houses to fold? 6 cpmbos of 77 (+ 0.5 of a combo of K9) you will lose to but you will beat more 9s if Koon sticks to calling trips.Assuming all suited 9s flat preflop.
Nice shout out to Andrew. Well done.
Well played Doug and thought threw commentary.. I thought the river raise for value was way to big though.
love the breakdown analytics... yea,, its easier to wrap your head around a fold, and not really look at the board as a full house, but, what do you beat with what Doug is repping here..i have to wonder if A9s was in his thought process, as that was a serious possible hand for Doug.. K9.. i dont think he ( doug) bets as big, and i DO think Doug over bet.. i think he raises to $115K.. he gets a call.. maybe a reshove but at least a call, thinking AK was trying a semi bluff, or A9s.. etc.. just a thought..
Why’d does ‘sunk cost’ not apply to poker? Why should a decision be based on how much you’ve invested or not?
What are your bluffs on the river after calling turn? Just naked 9’s? And if only 9’s then isn’t any 9 in villain’s hand blocking all the bluffs so 33 is a better call. Damn I suck at this.
Howd you feel when he said, “well I have a full house” and you only beat 1 boat lol
There’s not many better boats that are credible though. KK is never played is this way. 93 definitely folds preflop.
So I guess the only two hands you’d be worried are the suited combos K9 spades and 97 spades. And I think even those hands would be questionable preflop calls from the small blind with two more blinds left to act. But even still there’s two combos that beat you and three you beat.
A better boat would have insta-called so I’d feel pretty good still.
@@nicks210684 9 3 suited might be one to go with preflop, in the small or big blind, as you're already invested in the pot, and you might as well see a flop (who knows, maybe you flop a flush or flush draw, as well as the potential for two pair). I tend to play any suited cards if I'm in the small or big, so long as it hasn't been raised up massively. Saying that, I did call an all in preflop earlier today with 7 2 suited and won the hand with a pair of 2s so my credibility isn't the best
So now that you are playing again will we see the return of polker hands?
Hey Doug! Great video! Wasn´t that a spot to mini-raise the river?
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No sir. Buuuuut, can I have some of your hair for science too?
Lumpkins dont ui klnow its rude to ask a girl about her hair?
BosoxnationI972, yes yes, for "science" muwahaha
I'll sell you my pubic hair for science
Yall still selling pubes? I know a friend who needs some.
I am curious why k9 spades was only option. I’m not really poker smart but I’m guessing he wouldn’t be in from the beginning with k9 off?
Really thought Dougs rep would get him paid there
ESP when he says your not the guy to fold full houses too but really world class fold by Koon
First time listener, long time caller. When u reraise the river, did you want him to call or fold? reraise seemed huge [thats what she never said] you said it yourself the only hand he can call with is k9 spades. Why not min reraise?
I love how nobody is talking about how that guy got away from 3's full of 9's. Was there a tell? Dude made a MONSTER lay down.