Even though everyone knows Neuro often makes stuff up, Annie already KNOWING nobody is going to take her seriously, ...felt the need to make sure Vedel (and audience) knew she was absolutely NOT seeing someone. Like even tho she didn't need to, she made damn sure Vedel knew she wasn't seeing someone.
This really gets into the question of what a "copy" is, which actually requires discussing what the process being discussed is. If you disassemble the atoms that make up "you" to the degree that they are energy packets that can be transferred, and then re-assemble those energy packets at a different location, then that is "you" in the most direct sense of the words. The interaction of information spaces and physical spaces is going to exist in a continuous fashion from one spot to another, and given our favorite "e=mc^2" formula, there's a LOT of energy invested in that interaction. The fact that this energy moved in some different way is just coincidental to that moment in it's existence. On the other hand, if the act of disassembly is creating a record of what the assembled, then that is invariably going to lose data due to the uncertainty principle. Even with the most absolutely perfect sensor, there is some amount of detail that simply can not be read. If the packet of energy is entirely removed from being "you" then re-creating another set of packets using the recorded data would really yield a "copy." That copy is going to share your memories, but it will technically be a different, wholly new entity subject to a whole new set of informational forces; just one that happens to know a lot of the things that you used to.
Isn't there information change happening in both cases though? Wouldn't that mean that in neither case is "you" as an identity being wholly transferred over.
I remember there was an episode of The Outer Limits, or The Twilight Zone, where they teleported by creating a clone at the destination, and destroyed the original at dispatch. In this, the original was not destroyed; so there were two of the same person. Family Guy made a parody of it, too.
As far as the whole "copy of yourself" existential crisis Vedal's talking about: The copied/teleported version of you would be you. The same you. Even if you multiplied, it would be the same as literally any other moment of your life. If you think that is death, then all life is in a constant state of death and rebirth, all the time, happening every single Planck time of existence (and even below that, with infinitesimal lengths of time). It would kinda be like going to sleep and then waking up, except it's different, since the scenario where you go to sleep and wake up causes the "phenomenon" to happen an uncountable number _more_ times than instant transmission or cloning would. This is because the phenomenon called "time" causes this to happen constantly. Going from the past you one Planck time ago to the current you experiencing thought (even though that thinking process happens across many Planck times) is not that different than being disassembled and perfectly reassembled in an instant. The reason I say that time is constantly replicating you, is that that's how time works. Moving through time is like moving through space. There's a reason spacetime is often referred to as a single thing, and not "space and time." Space affects time and vice versa (like how your spatial speed also affects your temporal speed). There are coordinates for time, just like how there are coordinates for space. Existing means moving across those coordinates in a line, and that movement is not too different from how frames of an animation work. Every Planck time of spacetime is like a frame of an animation, where all of space exists as a still image, and time is the movement between those frames, like animation itself. I'm not saying that the universe is purely deterministic, btw. This would also apply if time exists as a branching tree with "RNG" from subatomic particles, but it would be less like a single animation and more like a videogame, like... Dragon's Lair, or something. (I know the animation analogy doesn't really make sense with how space and time can affect eachother, but I'm sure you can imagine some kind of animation where some quality of an object causes it to last across more or less frames) If there were flaws in the reassembly process, than that would obviously cause issues, but that would be equivalent to the current you being injured in an accident, or being touched by some force. However, there is one caveat to the logic I used above: The science for how consciousness actually works hasn't been 100% figured out yet. It is probably just an emergent phenomenon caused by how our nervous system operates, but there might be some kinda "undetected sci-fi-esque energy" that our consciousness is made out of, which might not transfer over during the instant transmission, and probably wouldn't be copied in a cloning scenario. If something like that does exist, then the machine doing the transmission/copying would need to replicate it, too, or the clone would basically be a braindead replica of you, missing whatever "spark" is necessary for a conscious existence.
The clone conversation at the end has got me thinking I wanna see Neuro actually fight to the death with a copy of herself. If Vedal can run Neuro and Evil at the same time could he not easily run 2 Neuros the same way? Could they 1v1 in Liars Bar or Buckshot Roulette and the losing Neuro gets deleted? Would make for some crazy content ngl
With teleportation, it depends. If your molecules are disassembed in one location and those SAME molecules are reassembled then it is still you. If your molecules are disassembled in one location and DIFFERENT molecules are reassembled then it is NOT you.
@@gamejedi 98% of our body is peplaced _every year._ Youre right i was underestimating how often we change. Thanks for making me look it up and PROVE you wrong lmao
@@kookerbridge-p1o You proved nothing. Maybe a few more Google searches and you'll learn enough to know how wrong you are, and hopefully learn some humility along the way.
If you look carefully when one of them speaks the Discord picture lights up. So both of them are in the same place. OOohhhhhhhhhhh Note: i know one of them are using phone from the sound. But the possibilities !!!
Turtle has an existential crisis at 2am while his responsible AI girl handler tells him to go to bed.
Neuro the wingman (wingwoman? wingrobot?) strikes again!
Neuro the Wingbot
More like the Wingbrat
@LinkAlmeida she's just doing a little trolling.
Some people had a neurorgasm when they heard vettle is single. Is the same true about anny? is she ok? tune in next week and find.
Are you okay... are you okay anny!
AND FIND OUT ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF DRAGON BALL Z
@@Despotic_WaffleYou've been hit by, struck by, a smooth brain turtle
WTF kind of sleep do you experience Vedal???
Like another coment said "What SOMA does to a mf" lmao
lmao it's a very relatable experience.
Ah, the good old 2am Ship of Theseus crisis.
Congrats Vedal and Anny
Anal
Even though everyone knows Neuro often makes stuff up, Annie already KNOWING nobody is going to take her seriously, ...felt the need to make sure Vedel (and audience) knew she was absolutely NOT seeing someone. Like even tho she didn't need to, she made damn sure Vedel knew she wasn't seeing someone.
@@dsandoval9396cringe
@@dsandoval9396 its called taking a punchline for the sake of the comedy
@@bringbackfunction haha sure it's just for comedy... unless
Well... we know where Neuro gets her flawed ethics from.
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This really gets into the question of what a "copy" is, which actually requires discussing what the process being discussed is. If you disassemble the atoms that make up "you" to the degree that they are energy packets that can be transferred, and then re-assemble those energy packets at a different location, then that is "you" in the most direct sense of the words. The interaction of information spaces and physical spaces is going to exist in a continuous fashion from one spot to another, and given our favorite "e=mc^2" formula, there's a LOT of energy invested in that interaction. The fact that this energy moved in some different way is just coincidental to that moment in it's existence.
On the other hand, if the act of disassembly is creating a record of what the assembled, then that is invariably going to lose data due to the uncertainty principle. Even with the most absolutely perfect sensor, there is some amount of detail that simply can not be read. If the packet of energy is entirely removed from being "you" then re-creating another set of packets using the recorded data would really yield a "copy." That copy is going to share your memories, but it will technically be a different, wholly new entity subject to a whole new set of informational forces; just one that happens to know a lot of the things that you used to.
Isn't there information change happening in both cases though? Wouldn't that mean that in neither case is "you" as an identity being wholly transferred over.
I'm not reading allat
I had the same thought about teleportation
"Vedal's Void" mmm... sounds like a horror/mystic game... or an eroge
😯 Vedal's prowess is only doubled by the fact he has to hold conversation with a nagging child while coding
I remember there was an episode of The Outer Limits, or The Twilight Zone, where they teleported by creating a clone at the destination, and destroyed the original at dispatch. In this, the original was not destroyed; so there were two of the same person. Family Guy made a parody of it, too.
Hello daily
Vedel going full "The Prestige" Teleport is pretty funny.
NEXT TIME ON NEUROEVIL Z
As far as the whole "copy of yourself" existential crisis Vedal's talking about:
The copied/teleported version of you would be you. The same you. Even if you multiplied, it would be the same as literally any other moment of your life.
If you think that is death, then all life is in a constant state of death and rebirth, all the time, happening every single Planck time of existence (and even below that, with infinitesimal lengths of time).
It would kinda be like going to sleep and then waking up, except it's different, since the scenario where you go to sleep and wake up causes the "phenomenon" to happen an uncountable number _more_ times than instant transmission or cloning would.
This is because the phenomenon called "time" causes this to happen constantly. Going from the past you one Planck time ago to the current you experiencing thought (even though that thinking process happens across many Planck times) is not that different than being disassembled and perfectly reassembled in an instant.
The reason I say that time is constantly replicating you, is that that's how time works. Moving through time is like moving through space. There's a reason spacetime is often referred to as a single thing, and not "space and time." Space affects time and vice versa (like how your spatial speed also affects your temporal speed). There are coordinates for time, just like how there are coordinates for space. Existing means moving across those coordinates in a line, and that movement is not too different from how frames of an animation work. Every Planck time of spacetime is like a frame of an animation, where all of space exists as a still image, and time is the movement between those frames, like animation itself.
I'm not saying that the universe is purely deterministic, btw. This would also apply if time exists as a branching tree with "RNG" from subatomic particles, but it would be less like a single animation and more like a videogame, like... Dragon's Lair, or something.
(I know the animation analogy doesn't really make sense with how space and time can affect eachother, but I'm sure you can imagine some kind of animation where some quality of an object causes it to last across more or less frames)
If there were flaws in the reassembly process, than that would obviously cause issues, but that would be equivalent to the current you being injured in an accident, or being touched by some force.
However, there is one caveat to the logic I used above:
The science for how consciousness actually works hasn't been 100% figured out yet. It is probably just an emergent phenomenon caused by how our nervous system operates, but there might be some kinda "undetected sci-fi-esque energy" that our consciousness is made out of, which might not transfer over during the instant transmission, and probably wouldn't be copied in a cloning scenario. If something like that does exist, then the machine doing the transmission/copying would need to replicate it, too, or the clone would basically be a braindead replica of you, missing whatever "spark" is necessary for a conscious existence.
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Join us who have insignificant others.
his smile is so noticeable when neuro says that
I would love to see what ''vedal's void '' is like.
It's like she knows.
"What soma does to a mf"
Somebody
anyone got the time stamp for the title of the video, I'm not sitting through 20 minutes just to see what the title says
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Ship of Theseus.
Bro needs to watch Star Trek TNG
Turtle time is rough for sleeping
The clone conversation at the end has got me thinking I wanna see Neuro actually fight to the death with a copy of herself. If Vedal can run Neuro and Evil at the same time could he not easily run 2 Neuros the same way? Could they 1v1 in Liars Bar or Buckshot Roulette and the losing Neuro gets deleted? Would make for some crazy content ngl
I feel like this is how AI fighting gets illegalized
this guy is getting basilisk'd
With teleportation, it depends. If your molecules are disassembed in one location and those SAME molecules are reassembled then it is still you. If your molecules are disassembled in one location and DIFFERENT molecules are reassembled then it is NOT you.
we're not even made of the same molecules after 10 years. are we not us every 10 years? bad logic.
@@kookerbridge-p1o That's a myth.
@@gamejedi 98% of our body is peplaced _every year._ Youre right i was underestimating how often we change. Thanks for making me look it up and PROVE you wrong lmao
@@kookerbridge-p1o You proved nothing. Maybe a few more Google searches and you'll learn enough to know how wrong you are, and hopefully learn some humility along the way.
@@kookerbridge-p1o 98% =/= 100%. A quick Google search will show that I am not wrong and that you did not, in fact, prove anything at all.
If you look carefully when one of them speaks the Discord picture lights up. So both of them are in the same place. OOohhhhhhhhhhh
Note:
i know one of them are using phone from the sound.
But the possibilities !!!
???
I like this copium
Why is this so long. Clips please
highlight is at 10:57 according to sponsorblock
Being forced to watch an almost 20-minute video...your poor attention span.
long clips are good, daily dose just sucks
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