Homelander Says Ryan What You Think | Ryan Said Its Just Super School | The Boys Season 4 Episode 5
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Homelander is trying. He's *really* trying to be a good father.
But he's just so fundamentally broken a person, he'll screw up somehow.
*Edit
To clarify, in light of the discussion below:
Homelander’s absolutely being a slimy, manipulative and toxic mess of a father.
No doubt about it.
My point is, in his twisted view, he’s doing the best he can. He’s trying to be a father, but he has no clue how to be a good one because control, intimidation and manipulation is all he knows.
And that is absolutely tragic.
as long as ryan doesn't end up rejecting him, they'll be fine.
But that's the one thing he can't handle
he's not trying to be a good father he just realizes he has nothing left other than his son. he's always been seeking someone's approval whether it was Edgar, the public, or now his son. he's an insecure and lonely psychopath.
Bro's idea of being good father is telling his son to do whatever he wants to do.
It makes sense from the perspective of someone who was put into an oven as a kid, but it's awful parenting. The kid's gonna turn out sociopath or narcissist.
later in the episode he tries to work with his son to do something he really wants.
Spoiler:
His son wants to help people but instead of helping the victim Homelander just convinces his son to torture the offender instead.
@@millerrepin4452
*(le sigh)*
Homelander just can’t help himself.
Ryan’s actor definitely went through puberty in this episode. You can easily tell by his voice. Some scenes his voice is high pitched while others it’s a much lower pitch.
He also has a twin
@dredvax lol imagine Becca giving birth to actual super twins
His balls have dropped
Ofc he did bruh, irl the actor is most likely older than 12, but ig they made him Ryan is to show how mature and older he looks for a 12 year old, implying that he too, like Homelander, ages fast.
He's been that way since the start of the season, if you watch the robbery rehersal scene again you can hear his voice changed.
Homelander making sure Ryan understands how control and manipulation works, but from his exclusively violent and destructive perspective
A grown psychopath basically teaching a new possible psychopath.
I add "possible" because young minds are more malleable and easy to change unlike when you get older.
Amazing character Evolution
And i thought they make Homelander just erratic 😂
@@Sombriagehis both father's are psycho lol
0:01 His reunion in the lab really gave Homelander some perspective now he wants to make sure that Ryan isn't a slave to Vought
thats a cool way to look at it and also makes sense
thats obvious
This is actually horrifying, because Vought's control mechanism just failed.
They tried to contain him by getting him to need love and approval, but now that he needs it from just his son, if his son is corrupt, then they're right back to square one with him lasering his way out of the womb.
Homelander didn't change or overcome his nature. He just transferred the peer group he wants approval from.
Getting approval from his son is the lesser evil, though - which is a good thing. Ryan has morals. The ending, I predict, will either be that maybe Homelander will be taken down by his son, and Ryan thus becomes a genuinely good superman-like hero to take his father's place or maybe that Ryan might change Homelander somehow. Like, I dunno, Homelander actually do the RIGHT THING for once to get approval from his son - a tragic sort of happy ending somehow.
Homelander wasn't always evil. He might sacrifice himself somehow which might satisfy his need for approval.
Either way both endings will be good. I can't see Ryan becoming like his dad, for now, since he has morals (right now) and is new to the concept of being a super hero. I can only see Ryan becoming like his dad when he's much older and bored of saving people - realizing how ungrateful they are, how easily broken humans are, and that maybe his dad was right all along. But as said - that would be when Ryan will be much, much, older and tired of the repetitive life of being a super hero.
It kind of shows that Homelander grew up when many people still thought psychology could securely bend people towards specific goals, while in truth the more forcefully you apply psychology the more likely you are to mess up, which is the about worst strategy you could follow while raising a superhuman child
This is absolutely true, otherwise this episode would literally be him destroying everything.
That's the thing I love abt how they portrayed Homelander. He's emotional, unstable BUT he's no entirely niave. He has a certain level of intelligence and awareness. Even without the use of force, he knows how to manipulate people through sympathising his own insecurities with theirs.
By that you refer to him manipulating his son by feeding him his insane delusions
Narcissist disorder...
"As far as I'm concerned this whole planet is empty. Except for you and me."
GOD if anything ever happened to that kid it's game over. Which is why I do think the subversion of this show, the ULTIMATE subversion, would be for Ryan to be the better version of Homelander.
Be who Homelander COULDN'T be. Start something new.
I would honestly like if it left out on a bittersweet note. Ryan in spite of all of the horrible things he's seen or been taught becomes the world's genuine Superman
Ryan expressing his desire to help people seems he's going that way.
Its confirmed, homelander will eat ryan
@@thatonedude6247 source?
What if, in the final episode Butcher tries to infect Homelander but ends up infecting Ryan instead?
I broke out into tears when Ryan walked out still having the wallet and car keys 😂
Ryan’s voice is really annoying. Did they digitally change it
@@Alastair_AdanaIt's called puberty dumass
@@Alastair_Adanapoor dudes just going through puberty, give him a little slack, his voice will even out next season
@@americanteen97 He's 16 years old bro done went through it already
@@ekul3374 yeah but at the time of filming he was younger. Also some guys hit puberty later than others
Don't be fooled. Once Homelander realizes Ryan will inevitably replace him, he will resent his own son through an atomic midlife crisis. Homelander says he wants a legacy, but it's only if Ryan essentially becomes him. Once the thought of stepping down hits John, he'll turn on Ryan.
Yeah, he's ok with it now because he has a role in developing Ryan. Once Ryan no longer needs HL to guide him..........and HL isn't the one that the public is looking to........he's going to get very bitter.
Gotta disagree if that was the case he’d hide him granted he is a narcissist but his me redeeming quality is that he loves Ryan 😅
Certainly one possibility, but it is not impossible the show follows another, still well-written path.
@@hbgguled2495they hinted at it when the save was supposed to be just Ryan buy homelander showed up regardless when asked not to
Idk I think he’s actually evolving
He's smart, letting Ryan get a taste of the power and eventually learn to abuse it, with Butcher gone complete insane, and no one left to guide Ryan, he will be Homelander 2.0, and I have a feeling Ryan will be the one who kills Homelander.
In a way, guess we might get that comic ending, Homelander 2.0 killing Homelander…
@@AhmOOO That would be a genius way to replicate the comic's ending. And then Butcher has to kill Ryan and break his promise to Becca. It would be a bleak ending, but I doubt this show is going to end on rainbows and sunshine anyways.
holy shit theories guys 👌
I think it will all come down to Ryan, Homelander, Billy and SoIdier Boy
I have a feeling it will be a bit of everyone, but I could see it being Ryan delivering the final blow. I am picturing Starlight, Maeve, Kimiko, Butcher and even a combination of Deep, A-Train and Sage all striking together to bring Homelander to the edge of death.
The fact that not only Ryan but some people in the comments are falling for Homelander's words lmao
Ikr? 😂😂😂
Niggas really thinking "we are gods, nobody can tell us what to do" kind of parenting is good
I don't think Homelander is being insincere. Its a child with a god complex raising a child.
Homelander is being sincere in this. If you don’t understand that, you don’t get homelander. What he’s saying is spot on. Unfortunately, because of how he was manipulated and how he grew up, homelander is going to as we see in the end of the episode twist it into a catastrophe that will either turn Ryan evil as well or make him run away. Something that could have gone so right is definitely going to go so wrong. He was soooo close tho.
Bro cant believe crazy people have moments of "good" and sincere feelings, but yeah, he will probably go crazy eventually
The boys is just the tragedy of homelander
"I've had a nightmare, dad burned down everything and kills me."
-Ryan
He keeps telling Ryan he is proud of him after repeatedly told by his father figures he is a disappointment. The only good thing about Homelander is he really tries to be a good father, he can’t be though.
That title gave me a fucking aneurysm.
Homelander: ryan wat you think Ryan said?
Ryan: what?
Homelander: Salamanca money! Salamanca blood! (Falls down from stroke)
Furio wrote the title
@@NoName-bk3su Give me 1000 keys to your jaguar
@@spacepulse836 you got a v'd up bee on your hat
@@zen4ever3 SALAMONKI 🥺
And all it takes is a single “Homelander is good dad” moment to have Ryan like him again. Lol
Children are naive and manipulatable
Homelander saying, "I don't want to manipulate you" is truly diabolical as he is actually manipulating Ryan into trusting him. Brilliant antagonist.
Whike still holding those keys and wallet being the main point
I truly think Homelander is being sincere, though. He doesn't want his son to go through what he did. Homelander is trying but, because he's so broken, I can't see it ending well.
@@315katty That could very well be the case. At least, in this MOMENT he is sincere. However, Homelander is a narcissistic, psychopath with severe emotional trauma. It's difficult for me to not to see malintent from the character who couldn't let his own son have the spotlight for ONE moment (fake save video.) Time will tell...
I am guessing he is trying to make Ryan go on a Power Trip. He has been putting rules and restricting Ryan from the past few episodes so now he's going to do the reverse of having Ryan do what he wants but guiding him the wrong direction. To make him intoxicated from power and authority leading to him being as corrupt as Homelander.
I think he is trying to be a good father honestly, trying to give Ryan what he never had. In the lab Homelander was basically told people from Vought designed his entire personality to control him. That probably solidified his desire to not need love from any normal human. Homelander of course sees all other humans as "less than nothing", while his son is special because "he is my son".
I think Homelander immediately genuinely tried to indulge Ryan in his quest to help people. But Homelander is not used to actually helping people, he can't do it without being cruel to someone.
What you are saying could become the result of those honest but horrible attempts at being a good a father.
@@kedrednaelI agree with you as in this scene Homelander implies he wants to try and not let history repeat itself. I do think Homelander is genuinely trying. The only thing Homelander values in the world is his son.
Hope ryan doesnt end up as the next Homelander
surprisingly homelander is trying to be a good parent (as good as someone like him can be or try)
I do and the fact you think like that makes you a loser.
There is officially two homelander, Ryan just happens to be the strongest one. But if you read the comics, homelander can only kill homelander, so instead of it being noir, I can straight up say it'll be Ryan to take out homelander, sorry not sorry
@@valentinov901good than butcher?
@@philliphughes8939 or soldier boy. It is likely he is alive
The more homelander gets thrugh his son the scarier the future is for this universe. Ryans up bring determines if this world gets burned down or has a true hero
"From now on tell me what you really want?"
"I want to help people like mom wants"
"Okay, think of anything else."
Lol he kept the keys.
I feel like this Homelander's new mellow attitude with Ryan will last for like an episode. He will soon force him to do more evil things, like killing Butcher, and Ryan will not have it.
It's messed up cause this asshole deserved it and Ryan did good in this episode BUT we all know that he's definitely gonna go on a power trip and eventually hurt someone who didn't deserve it. Also I'm pretty sure the way Homelander and Ryan's relationship will come to end will be when Butcher inevitably reveals what Homelander did to Becca
This gave me gotham vibes. Seeing young Bruce Wayne grow into who he would become. Seeing him throw his first punch, learn how to fight, etc. Bruce had Alfred. Ryan has Superman. Really...broken...Superman.
Alfred: Why do we fall, sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.
Homelander: Why do we fall, son? So next time we can fly and take out a Vought airliner full of people who pushed us down and laughed at us.
The most dangerous human on this planet tries to make up healthy relationship
I'm afraid Ryan is gonna die. And both Butcher & Homelander will unleash hell in s5
"Scorched Earth" after all......
John saying he's been manipulated his whole life as he actively is manipulating Ryan
says he doesn't want to manipulative then does it in the next scene they have together lol
probably doesn't view it has such
No he isn't
@@klaus6178 the scene where the director is apologizing to the intern yes
The difference: Now this time Ryan liked it
@@jasonturner6041 part of the plan
Antony Starr is unquestionably the MVP of the show
Getting pretty meta about Gen V here
Imagine if the show ends with Homelander abandoning his world domination plan, going to therapy and spending the rest of his life as a genuinely good dad
It won't happen but it would definitely be a subversion of where we think the story is going
I‘m slowly gaslighting myself into thinking this guy is a good dad
It's so weird because in the midst of all the bad lessons that Homelander tries to teach....there's a sliver of good parenting. In this case, it's being able to speak your mind.
This is what leads the media to Homelander using his destructive intelligence manipulation against his own son. Unfortunately, that will play out...if Ryan doesn't get a grip. And I guess in season 5, at the end, Ryan will realize Homelander.
You know is even worst because Ryan (and honestly everyone who didn´t came for the money) would be pretty anoyed by the whole marketing and movie star bullshit of Vough, so by having Ryan not doing this or that, HL is actually turning him more to his side. Hell, here we even see that Homelander has actually improved his manipulation skills, or maybe he just opened up to actually listen to his son, because he did horribly wrong the time he tried to convince his son that killing Koy by accident was okay, but now the made him enjoy seeing an asswhole creep being slapped. So yeah, this guy desrved it, but, we can only fear how far that can go....
In a fucked up way, Homelander is trying to (violently) shield his son from being used as he was. The problem is that Ryan *might* turn out to be like his dad to impress him
Homelander is GENUINELY trying. He’s trying to learn, he’s trying to reflect. He’s trying to treat Ryan better than anyone ever treated him. Comparing himself to emancipated slaves is cringe, but it’s definitely a breakthrough for Homelander caring what Ryan thinks/feels/wants/needs instead of just making Ryan do everything he did with his life.
Godzilla had a stroke trying to read the title and fuckin died
I like how Ryan takes his wallet and car keys like he knows how to drive a car
I really really hope, Homelander does get some kind of redemption...i mean he is not a hearthless monster....okay he tries to be one, but the need for love is still there, and he wants to love others. So i hope he gets his powers taken away in some way, and HAS to live a normal human life, that would be the best punishment for him, not death.
This man is not getting a redemption lol his attempts at being a good father to Ryan are a bit wholesome and all but he’s still a deranged psychopath that wants to enslave/kill off humanity
you see everyone. this guy is the perfect example who lives in the blind society 😂 the audacity for him to act like a good father despite the atrocities he did. he killed thousands of innocent childrens and you want him to be a good father? 😂😂
@@Shatter149IKR😂 WTF
@@Shatter149 bro he's just making a comment. No need to be a bully about it, saying he "lives in the blind society". He's just saying it's more interesting to show the human side of a monster like Homelander, than to just portray him as a two-dimensional villain. Just take a look at Anakin. He became a monster but ultimately his love for his son won, and his son never stopped loving him just because he became space Hitler... so I hope @ADRIANOS259 is right. It would be much cooler to see Homelander loose his powers and suffer instead of having him just die.
@@mike-ur9tr i know comment is a comment. opinions right? suure. but dont expect everyone will response to you with sunshines and rainbows. im teaching him a lesson on how not to be stupid.
This the only episode Homelander being a good person
hes spitting facts ngl
I don't think Homelander will ever be redeemed but he'll probably have more conflicts about forcing his idealized vision onto Ryan. Ryan will be better than both Homelander and Billy Butcher, being a proper hero.
I was thinkin Ryan could be redeemed but after this episode we're cooked
Ryan's fixing to be the next Joffrey 😂
The Boys is a tragic story about a broken man, so sad :(
At 1:36 AMAZING SHOT rn homelander is like season 1 Omni man. The brightly covered area that homelander and his son represent how he considers ryan his only world. (Like invincible and Omni man) the black pattern off the reflection shows how empty he considers the planet in terms of his new “humanity” which of course is his straight up most evil version. He no longer sees humans as people to him. They are now objects to manipulate and hurt. That being said homelander throughout the show has become entirely narcissistic. I wonder how that will play with Ryan down the line. Sooner or later they’re humanity is going clash. I’m anxious to see it ! 😁
Well, here’s to hoping there won’t be a homelander mk2, or he’ll need to be dealt with too
I've stopped caring what other people think, so I hope everyone is OK with that.
I just realized super school is a rift on genv
Ryan better not mention butcher again
Why does his voice sound so different here?
W ryan
Does Four Eyes know Homelander's kill count?
If you take out the fact that they have super powers and invincible this is a good father son scene. Supporting and trusting each other
Yes, teaching your son how its okay to steal from others. Very good parenting here, i must take notes.
@@chairjacker i meant its good for homelander dude not for you to take notes chill
That BS loving father act Homelander puts on and Ryan buying into it is pretty annoying
As much as I hate Homelander, I hope he turns out to be an amazing father. Ryan needs that and maybe, just maybe, Homelander could control himself then.
Im calling it. Either Ryan is going to kill Homelander, or Homelander will kill himself after Ryan dies. Sometimes the way the framing is set up with the 2 of them makes me believe Ryan is going to kill his dad and be a true hero, or Homelander will lose his son and end his miserable life.
dawg i wouldnt wish any teenager to do any acting if it means their voice cracks everytime 😭😭
Could see it as part of ryan as character bc he grows too
Respect to this kid for going through pubert on camera.
Was this targeted at Gen V? Why are we doing super school a teen show? It's stupid.
Ryan's right