YIKES! You Can Buy a RIDICULOUSLY Cheap Classic Car, But Should You? | Buy or Bust Ep.4
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#Subaru #saab #cadillac - Авто та транспорт
I had the Cadillac as my first car!
I was gifted one by my elderly neighbor who could no longer drive.
I had done errands and chores for her since I was in middle school and she knew I was looking for a vehicle.
It was five years old but only had 10,485 miles on it when I got it.
It was in immaculate condition and she even changed the brake pads and the tires before she gave it to me.
I drove it through the final two years of high school all the way through college and then all the way through veterinary college and even drove across country to my first real job .
Only left me stranded once it all those years from a failed fuel pump relay.
Mine was extremely reliable and finally met its end, at 245,000 mi, when it was rear-ended by a Ford F-150 pickup truck at a stoplight.
The only thing that didn't work on it was the CD and cassette player.
Hardly the greatest car I have ever owned but with proper maintenance they could be quite reliable and how many people can say their first car was a Cadillac?
Thats a pretty cool story to have for your first car. People used to give to others much more back in those days too, I think that's an unfortunate trait not often seen now. I'm sure it left an impression on you.
@@aussie2uGA well, cars back then were cheaper thanks to no cash4clunkers programs or any of that nonsense
@That V8 Life Good deeds are their own reward. Why do you feel like you deserve more?
There's a vet around my way Doc Egler...DE/MD area.
is 'gifted' an obtuse form of _given_ ?
4:59 That Caddy (well the Opel version) was the car the Australian VT Holden Commodore was based off, which then spawned a 2 door version called the Monaro, which you got stateside as the Pontiac GTO.
In Europe hearing "compact" about the biggest Opel model you could buy at that time sounds so funny :D The smallest one was a Opel Corsa with 1.0 engine 55 HP :D 3,7 meter long small city car, than Astra, Vectra (based on it coupe Calibra) and rwd Omega (with 2/2.2 liter inline 4, 2.5 V6 and 3.0/3.2 V6 in top spec, they wanted to make an 5.7 LS V8 version in Europe, but it ended only on a prototype sadly). Oh and they had also a diesel version from .... BMW ? :) the 2.5 tds
I bought a turbo GL-10 in Montana in 1987! It had a digital dash and turbo! It was amazing. Snow. Death Valley! It went anywhere.
Those mid 1980s Subarus all had one fatal weakness. The entire rear suspension of the car rests on one gigantic hollow tubular crossmember. The crossmember is absolutely vital to keeping the rear suspension geometry in line and holding the whole back end up. Over time being hollow this component tends to rust quite badly ( this is made worse in some cases by inadequate rust protection like ziebart. ). In short once compromised or cracked this will basically cause the rear wheels to kick out and the halfshafts on the rear will be all that’s holding it together. Before I would buy any Subaru from that vintage I would have that member inspected. Secondly those boxer 4s tended to have lifter problems. IE they ticked like a bomb. The problem with all 3 these days is parts, with nobody making parts for em restoring one would be a good effort
Just a note, all the Saab logos fade away. It happens pretty quickly, too!
Cadillac Catera, the Caddy that zigs!
That was the tag line on the commercials when it first came out. Cadillac was trying to market itself to younger buyers so the commercials had it going down a twisty mountain road.
The Subaru GL-10 Turbo station wagon has always been a bucket list car for me. As I get older though and they become more rare, it is unlikely that I will ever own or even see one again.
Bought a red '85 Subaru wagon brand new. Drove it for 14 years. It was a great snow car but definitely underpowered. There were a lot on the road for quite a while then they all suddenly disappeared. Virtually never see one of this vintage around anymore, likely they all either rusted out and/or simply wore out. They were real work horses.
Yes, I had a '94 Loyale 5spd 4wd wgn just like that one. The 4wd on-the-fly was great in the snow, why these were very definitely CO or VT cars, plus the cargo room. Most I'd guess rusted out, though, or blew the HG as mine did. Since I sold it for $700 as-is to a Nissan mechanic in LA, and I think I saw him still driving it a decade later, I'd say we both made out pretty well on the deal.
Asian cars, at least until recently, had super cheap steel. Great reliability, until they rusted apart in 10 years.
@@paulblichmann2791 I bought a Toyota pickup in 1982 new and finally sold it after 32 years of use and it was almost rust free. It just depends upon how well you take care of it. I sold it because my wife told me it was time to get something safer with airbags. (she really wanted something with 4-wheel drive so she could go cross-country skiing easier)
I owned a Brat. I wish I still had it. I really enjoy and look forward to TFL classic. Keep up the good work
I'm whipping around a 1988 xt, because it fwd
Did you have the seats in the back?? I think they were optional back then!
Those old subarus were tanks. Those ea82 engines ran good, leaked oil pretty good as they aged tho. The fuel pump probably bit the dust on it tho if I had to guess why it stopped running. If they sat around for a while it tended to happen. They are super easy to change tho. They are just an in-line fuel pump in front of the drivers side wheel I believe. They are held in place on a plate by 3 bolts.
Replace the seals and it'll be happier
That GL had the hi/low transfer case! I had one of those and man it could crawl.
Hell yeah, I don't have one, thats why my 88 xt is still here
The Saab looks really good, a Saab fan would definitely snatch it up. A great flip opportunity for the buyer.
I remember being a Valet parking employee in the 80s and trying to figure out.... Where’s the Switch to start the Saab?😂 I really love this series of videos, guys!
I still see those older Subarus around every now and then here in southwest Montana. They sold like hotcakes here, for obvious reasons. Once in a while, I’ll see an AMC Eagle, too…which was also a pretty strong seller up here.
Do people just take them out in the summer? I can't imagine anything past 10 years surviving the salting of Montana
@@bldontmatter5319 Nope. They’re usually serving as the winter beater.
@@bldontmatter5319 well, considering Montana doesn’t use salt, I imagine it lasting a lot longer than that! Being in southwest Montana myself, I see these all the time. I’ve had two of them , a GL and the newer Loyale.
Those of us who were in high school in the ‘90’s remember that Subaru. Except every one in my high school parking lot had a rear hatch that was a different color because it was replaced at some point!!
900spg turbo, I remember one stopping into the burger joint and I'll fell in love! "Unique", I was 16 at the time and now I'm 54!
Ah yes! The Caddy that Zigs!
Live the wheels on that Saab. That design is right up there with the Isuzu Inpulse wheels that had the square holes.
Poor Suby...would have gone for a grand had it been able to cross the block under its own power.
This series is a lot of fun - keep up the great work! The Caddy would've been my personal pick of these three today :)
The Saab was cool. I would’ve thrown a bid on that Silver Saturn SC1 at the end if it was a 5 speed too. Cheers guys.
I had a 900 turbo with European specs. It was a lot of fun and with comfort and versatility to boot. Loved it.
I had an 86 turbo 900 silver hatch
My first car was a 1986 900S 16V. In the same paint and interior as this one. Rose Quartz was the color name. 120HP from the 16V NA engine. Decent torque for around town driving. Super comfortable and great in the snow.
I had an 86 turbo 900 that looked just like this one. I still have my 85 900 but plan on gifting it to a Saab friend.
SAAB 900 16V came first 1988 and 128hp and SAAB 900s 16V 1990 145hp
Those wheels in the back of the Saab are 9000 wheels, would not come standard on a 900. Looks good on them as well, though.
Hello Brendan and Tommy. I think Tommy and Brendan are the best journalist in TFL which in my opinion has some of the most experienced and interesting motor journalists in all the industry. And as good friends I love their friendly talk of the old cars and their small competition in who will guess the right price. This Saab was an icon in the eigthies and was maybe the safest car you could buy. My wise and lovely wife and I bought a used one as our first family car after we married. Our eldest daughter born in 1986 was often very car sick in this one then we was driving looking for a summer house after our economy as a young couple.
FUN FACT: I sold the Loyale when it was new and the training manual stated " When preparing for a test drive in the summer, have the AC running and the car cooled down before the customer enters the car. Then as the customer opens the door turn off the AC button and select a test drive route that starts down hill"
He forgot to mention or did not know,with 2 wrenches cranking on coils,you could get another 2 inches+ of ground clearance for adverse conditions. And technically speaking they did not have low range but a H stepover from input shaft to mainshaft to get what was a reduction- ratio to mainshaft ; basically a reduction ratio versus a typical 4WD setup that is done from output shaft and dedicated transfer- reduction case.
That Montero pushing the Subie is nice as well. For sale?
That subie was sweet actually. I have looked at cars for sale much dirtier than it. For the age, not bad condition at all!
I saw the same exact Subaru yesterday with the wife. The sticker at the top of the windshield said "Panty PD Dropper" on it. Needless to say the only pantys that dropped where mine. I love old Japanese small cars lol
I love these auction videos. Great job guys and thanks for making this classics channel so fun to watch.
The Subaru GL/DL was ubiquitous in Israel, in fact Subaru had the biggest sales here before entering US market, and second after US when they did.
I still see those on the road fully restored, people love them that much.
Funny to see you call the Catera „small“. The Opel Omega, which this car essentially is, is/was considered a huge car back in the day here in Germany, one of the larger sedans you could buy. The wagon was one of the largest offered. And they were relatively popular
I had the 1987 version of the Subaru in automatic and I loved it. We once fitted 12 people inside the car to go to the beach.
NICE!!!! I used to have a Subaru Loyal as it was later called, the GE as it is known here. I traded a laptop for it in college. It was a 5-speed manual with selectable 4wd. I knew the previous two owners and it had a new clutch, struts, and some other work. I got it with 228k miles and drove it for two years before snapping a timing belt at 273k miles. The 5th gear would pop out unless you stayed on the throttle or put a vitamin water between 5th and the emergency brake to keep it in place.
I used to take it to the beach with my wife and we would load it up with friends in the back seat, the back wagon area and on the bumper. It would crawl through the sand nearly up to the bumper. It was raced on an ice lake several times and has been down man ski trails in middle of Alaskan winters. I remember when the oil bypass valve blew out and it read no pressure for nearly 30k miles. Not once did this car complain and took the abuse with ease. The timing belt broke on January morning while the car was warming up, it was -40(ish) degrees for about a month straight at this point. Clearly the belt had enough even though it should've been fine on miles.
Tough cars, I always called it a my Japanese tractor or Sue-bob-aru. I would love to find a clean low mileage one from the '80s with high low range gear box and manual transmission with turbo. I've seen a couple over the years for sale but they want about 10k or more for one in such shape.
I had an '86 Subaru XT GL-10 4wd. It had a manual trans, turbo engine, selectable 4wd, and an adjustable height suspension. I had it in '90, so it was only 4 years old. Was a great winter car in Massachusetts.
Makes me miss my old Subarus, especially my old 92 Loyale 4wd 5spd wagon 😢
Whipping around my 1988 xt, like I'm from the future 5spd too
I had the exact same, but a maroon '94.
@@laurat1129 mine was maroon as well 😁
@@Wannabecowboy004 Maroon... but I still called my wagon "Lil' Red". 🛷
Yes the old Subaru wagons I had one for 1st car , wwd , had 4wd button on the manual trans stick and also a separate low range transfer case lever , loved them , spare tire on the engine lol
Why, SAAB "because we can", love SAAB. Also we had something similar to the Caddi in Australia look at the VT commodore, based on the same chassis but we had the buick 3800 in it, RWD, body is very similar same chassis.
Props on the w8 I drove one for a while loved it. No one knew what it was but 9.5l of oil in the sump big boi no power nice noise.
My first car, 84 Subaru GL wagon 85hp with the exhaust removed took me impossible places. They are definitely underrated and I miss them every time I fill up. 10 gallon tank and you got 36 miles to the gallon! Loved it!
All three would make fine buys. Real 4WD Subaru! You needed to buy it for a future cheapie 4WD face off!
That Subaru will almost run FOREVER. One of the best cars they’ve ever released. Just gotta watch the rust lol
True Fact: That Subaru had no model name. It was a Subaru. The trim level was a GL. Caused massive grief at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. Later on they named it the "Loyale" but originally there was no model name. I had an '87 sedan in blue. Great car.
That SAAB was a bargain. Always loved the style of that car.
I had two of the Subaru GL's. The first one when I was working a post office rural route. Pretty good cars, but you had to change the timing belt every 60k or they would snap. There was a fusible link that would kill the engine, too. That's probably what happened to that one.
I had an '87 GL wagon that exact same color. I had it until it finally died at a little over 440,000 miles.
So funny that the Catera is thought of as a smaller car, yet in the UK, known as the Vauxhall Senator, it was thought of as a large saloon car 😆
I’d have one for sure.
I love this series! You guys have hit on a really great format. PLEASE keep it up!
I can't wait to see more with the Subie!!
Hell yeah, I'm a old scoob too
the montero pushing the subaru is super cool too
I love watching these! Each car brings back memories. Tommy is ready to open a used car lot!
Edit: I like the Montero that was pushing the Subaru
Same! I remember seeing those cars on the road as a teenager.
And, I said the same thing about the Montero. I would love to find the 2-door version of it or aka Dodge Raider
Saw the LOYALE on the thumbnail and clicked right away!
Great series TFL Classics. Keep the classics coming!
My dad has a 1990 Saab 900 Turbo Convertible (auto 🙁) and it's hard to maintain. It doesn't run the best (and isn't in the best condition) but it's still a super cool car and it's rare to find nowadays in Canada.
We had two Saab 99s , one turbo one not. Both couldn't take the southern California heat, and the turbo constantly rattled itself apart. They are a cool car and if you stay on top of the cooling system the NA one could be reliable. Then again, the exhaust system literally fell off of mine.
Great episode, love these, makes me miss my Saab 9/3, well only slightly
I had no idea those Cadillac's were rwd, the cool factor went way up imo.
I had a Subaru like that...was amazing in the snow....it was rode hard before I bought it so didn't last long...
88 xt for life
Interesting video but personally would have liked more about the cars and less about your price guessing. Felt a bit rushed. Still enjoyable though, and only meant as constructive feedback
Thanks, Tommy, the episode had a Chasing Classic Cars vibe, minus classic Bugatti. Also my fav Subaru GL - owned an 89 - also popular in Minnesota where they rusted from 6 months of winter road salt. First AWD I owned with pushed button AWD and not lockouts. All cars headed to crap lots selling for $2500
4:57 Oh my god a Vauxhall Omega in the USA! That's amazing. My uncle had one brand new back in 1994. It caught fire.
Then he had another new one in 1996. That also caught fire.
He went to Toyota after that XD
Love these videos. You are a great pair and make this very enjoyable.
I love these episodes!! Please keep them up!
That subaru will be a classic, TFL should buy one and run the ranch.
They already have. If you go back Tommy had a grey (?) one that he tested on gold mine hill.
Iconic maybe, but not really classics. The Saab may be classic in the near enough future, but the other two won’t be sitting in more than 3 garages as classics…. The Caddie probably nine,,,,😂😂😂.
Even my collection where values start around $40K here in Canada are not all classics, but are definitely collectables currently. Lots of trucks, mostly short boxes of course. Most recent purchase is an odd scenario, but the truck was so loved when purchased it was treated like a future classic from the day it was bought. Bought it from an acquaintance, 1976 Chevy Silverado C10 shortbox stepside 2wd 454, loaded for the time including 8 track tape unit and 235 8 tracks to play in it. If has just less than 5,000 miles on it. And it is showroom worthy. I had zero work to do on it when I took it in. It is the first thing I see every morning when I go into my garage/shop at the cabin. I want to lower it, just a 2”/4” drop, but I literally worry what the original owner would think,,, 😂😂. Funny how piles of steel and plastic can create such emotions. Oh yeah, it’s black and shines perfectly!
i bought my wagon $700.00 in cash and SOME WORK REQUIRE AND I GOT EVERYDAY CAR IN FLORIDA WITH 35,572 ORINGAL MILES CLEAN AND CLEAR TITLE
I'll bet that was a dealers auction. if it was a public auction those cars would have gone for considerably more. Someone who wanted one to keep would pay more than a dealer who wants a big markup.
love this series. It is cool to see how you can get some of there great classics that need some TLC for affordable prices.
The caddy that zigs... I still have the little duck stuffed animal that came with my grandfathers in 98
My favorite series. I have been looking for a low milage riviera from your first episode.
Great series. Only suggestion is price is right rules. Closest bid without going over. And yes, you can go with a buck!
had an '87 gl-10. 2wd, more ground clearance than my 95 s10 blazer fwd. fun until pinion said hi the ring, took a while to find a replacement in the early days of the interweb
I like those old Saabs. They are a bit difficult to work on at time, but have a cool classic look.
They are a lot difficult to work on, especially parts
They aren't any more, they are just standard 4 cylinder 5 speed fwd cars. You can get them worked on anywhere, at least if you bring parts.
The second one is a Opel/Vauxhall omega in Europe
Funny thing about them Saab engines is there a heavily reenginered British Layland Triumph Dolomite engine I believe
By this stage not much dna remained. Though the very early 99s used the dolomite lump before triumph itself..
Love that Saab 900 👍
These segments are a great. Keep up the competition bids.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Cadillac is the basis for the Oz 1990s Holden commodore. The Holden was actually a very good car.
Love TFL for this series, great job team!!
Great show. Fun watching the bidding process
Great video! It was a lot of fun seeing these classics. My issue about paying anything for them is how much would it cost to make them roadworthy, especially for Brenden to resell them? Isn't it expensive and hard to find parts for an old Saab?
Been watching since Andre was speaking Russian and was only in the videos for a brief moment. This is my favorite series yet. Keep up the awesome content.
Yeah, he couldn't speak Russian anymore or the ukrainanаzis would come out of the woodwork and ruin his life... All in the name of freedom, or something
Awesome series of videos I really enjoy them...thanks
The Saab is a $500 beater that I would change the oil on to give it a chance to last six months but not spend a cent more than the oil change. The Caddy was a buy with the low mileage and if it was reasonably sound it would get tires and some plugs. The Subaru I wouldn't even stop to look at.
The Saab is the only one of those that is even remotely a classic. As far as the car design is concerned it is wrong wheel drive but if you are going ti drive the front wheels longitudinal is absolutely the right configuration. The Swedes put the engine in backwards for a reason but I have forgotten what that was over the years. Being a non turbo is an advantage in my opinion on maintenance alone. At $500 I would consider it if the "frame" was still good.
The Subaru is definitely classic too, but yea I'm a Saab guy
@@kevineckelkamp My first car was a 122S so I have always been a bit of a RWD Volvo guy. I loved to watch "The Saint" just to admire the P1800. 🙂😇
@@mkshffr4936 I love old Volvo too. I saw the Saint in the theaters.
The Cadillac catera is built on the same body as the VT Holden commodore in Australia
70 degrees here !! ugh that weather
Tommy's "win" in the final auction was probably hugely affected by the fact the car no longer ran. His and Brendan's price predictions were based on a running car.
Someone sabotaged it because they wanted a low price
it's a Vauxhall Omega classic here in UK. Just back is different. I'll own one
Loving this series! Wish I could get that Saab!
Those Canteras were Opel Omegas in Europe and were a very common car. I owned 3 stations . And thye were great fo transporting things or travelling on vacation with a family.
I wish I could still buy an acceptable station Omega. But the have disapeared by now. I always thought they were quite US car like.
Worked at a Cadillac dealer when these were new and a while after. Saw 3 on the lift with holes in the block!
In Europe they run up to this day no problem, when they not rust out of age :)
I wouldn’t be surprised if the GL broke a timing belt, I had an 87 and they broke on me twice. It’s thankfully a non interference engine.
I'm doing my time belt on my 88 xt, wish me luck
One of the great things about TFL is that they do not edit out all of the mistakes. The hood bumbling on the Caddy was classic. That Catera looks like a Taurus from the side, it is no wonder that it was not well received. You know what they said about the Catera's? "It's gotta be better than the Cimmaron. 😀
You two are nuts to even think about that Saab. You even explained why not. Even $500 was way too much for that thing.
The subaru is a no-brainer. Good car, pretty reliable. Only problem is the clutches didn't last very long. The thing must've run out of gas.
My parents had that generation of Saab 900 and it was, far and away, the most unreliable hunk of Swedish junk to ever roll out of Scandinavia. It makes me laugh to see this, so thank you for the blast from the past lol
These are really fun. Is that a public auction, or dealer-only?
$500 was about what I thought on that Saab. They are cool, but a pain and parts aren't getting any cheaper.
Value of the parts way more than 500
You're telling me
Waiting for Miatas to get a bit closer to here. NA's and NB's are still hanging around the 6-10k range, even modded out to heck and rusted wheel well ones are listed for way too much.
The gen 1 Montero pushing the subaru would've been my pick
Cool cars, cool prices. You guys just can't believe what they'd pay for these classics here in Europe. The Saab would be sold for 5k in just one minute...The sue-ba-roo? I tell you guys, just like the Corrola 4wd stationwagon, you'd have to go all the way up to Norway and be damn lucky to find one. If then, by constellation of sheer written in the stars utmost luck it would be for sale, you'd have to easily pay 12.ooo$ for it. It's cheaper for us to come on holiday to the US for a month and buy such a car, than even try looking for one in Europe. You lucky bastards! Appreciate what you can still get there!😀😊
Keep these coming. Love this series!
SAAB - Parts, parts, parts...which are betting hard to find and expensive. SELL the wheels...and put the $ toward making it run better. Or just buy something else that is cheaper to fix. The wheels should be worth $500.
Catera - Much better than most people think, nice to drive. BUT, it's an orphan and you will have REAL problems with parts and service; don't even think about the Caddy dealerrship. Lot of car for $1200...until it breaks.
PS - Buick dealers did sell Opels, but they were always branded as Opels, not Buicks, and GM only brought over the little cars, not the senior line ones.
Subaru - I'd just look for a Tercel SR 4WD...one that RUNS!
I want the Saab. Normally aspirated has the advantage of less to fail and generally longer engine life. And such a cool car. Who cares if it is fast or not. Those turbo Saabs without an intercooler are not particularly fast either.
Actually I've owned both and they're both fast