Bishop Barron Presents | Robert George - Virtue and a Healthy Society
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Friends, it is my pleasure to share the latest “Bishop Barron Presents” discussion, featuring American legal scholar, political philosopher, and public intellectual Robert George. In our conversation, we discuss virtue, focusing on topics such as:
- Natural law
- The “woke” phenomena
- How we can engrain virtue in our society today
- And more
Stay tuned for future “Bishop Barron Presents” conversations. These intellectually invigorating discussions feature varying religious and political perspectives to encourage greater understanding and civility.
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Catholic Action is needed today. This very concept is what is needed in the Churches today. Bring together folks from different professions, backgrounds in our local churches, and discuss what they are hearing. The next week, bring different folks together and discuss. I honestly don’t think the Priests are taught this today; and if so, they need help. See, Judge, Act. This very concept is being used by many different groups today, but many Catholic Churches, priests and lay people don’t know this. This is the key to growth. Bishop Barron is 100% spot on with this. I had a priest growing up in a small town who would go to everyone’s house and have dinner. He would spend individual time with families, while breaking bread with them. They would discuss what they are seeing in the community, in the news. The Catholic social teaching is the playbook; has always been the playbook. Take courage; go into the depths. Great way to close this discussion.
I have become addicted to Bishop Barron's sermons, conversations, writings etc. I thoroughly enjoy listening to him talk about philosophy, culture, spirituality. As @meganwalsh4775 notes below....The depth and breadth of the conversations are true nourishment for the mind and soul.
Interesting discussion. I'm an atheist, but I find value in these discussions.
A game:
Authentically deep deep inside would you not find God in the maze of a simple mind and find God in the direct paved road of a complex mind?
If the answer to both questions is yes, then use the intellect which discovered Atheism and theism to answer truly convincingly your answer/s to the above question.
@@larrylim8050 No.
If the only place you're finding god is in your mind the I'm afraid you have no good reason to believe
Thanks very much for Dr George's and Bishop's discussion here, and the clear and firm voices on the truth and what we need to do to seek for it, speak for it and witness it in our daily life.
These conversations have all been made of pure gold. Thank you all. I hope that there are many more episodes planned.
Agreed. pure gold!
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Goodness, this is essential. Bless you, Bishop and Dr. George
Wonderful channel. I'm glad there's people who dedicate themselves to the pursuit of educational excellence for the sake of the rest of us.
Amen.
I really loved this video. Thank you Word on Fire. God Bless!
Thank you for leading me to in my road to God
Thank you for such a great discussion. I love John Henry Newman’s statement that our conscience is the aboriginal vicar of Christ. When we follow conscience, we follow Christ. Obedience to conscience seems to be our natural state. In Galatians we are told that the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. My conscience always pushes me toward these fruits. Too often I rationalize behaviors that violate conscience, and my conscience always rebukes me. Ignatius’s rules of discernment help me to find truth and to better follow conscience.
@andrew hager Sir, you can't judge all priest, of millions some had betrayed. for 2000 years The. Church chosen by Jesus the Christians of the Bible are the Catholic church. Judas was chosen by Jesus and he betrayed him just as some were not faithful to his church. All other churches are betraying Jesus for making churches without his authority, without his holy Spirit and the rite to forgive sins, all those who don't belong to the body of Christ are not his church, those are the false prophets. If you have a different teaching you are the false made up to deceit to steal the souls and their money..if you are not Christian Catholic you are the false Matthew 7:6,15,,21-23
Matthew 24:11-14 24-25 Acts20:29-30
Galatians 1:6-9. 2Thessalinians2:1-12
1Timothy 1:3,-10. 4:1,2. 6:3-10
2Timothy 2:24-26 3:1-7,13
Jesus only has one church one doctrine one faith one body in the Same Holy Spirit.all others are false, all have been betrayed by who they call pastor the true pastors Jesus ordered come from his church and they are the priest, the faithful. The Bible was made by the Catholic Christians of the Bible. The Catholic church is the church of God, how come all others cannot see this that it's written by Jesus, Just sharing the truth.
@andrew hager
Are you sure you have proper information?
andrew hager,
Maybe you thought you had to
enlighten me. Feel bad for you.
Look after yourself.
@andrew hager
Why don't you work for Vortex in his territory. What if I have a host of things against your camp. It's just that I won't be indecent or foolish enough to go around talking about it let alone come to your Channels to post comments describing your champion.
@andrew hager
Where have I asked for 'sources'?
You began treating me as though I am dumb.
Great words at the end…. We need courage, just like Fr. Altman has been saying for months. Have courage to speak the truth.
Thank you so much. God bless. Holy Spirit with you all 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I wish I were smart enough to go through the "Woke Doctrine" and refute each idea point by point. Maybe someone or group will do that . God speed. Priests need to explain why as well what we believe, and how it is under insidious attack.
You actually put that very well, by using the term "doctrine", a body of beliefs, not merely facts.
Woke is just a silly word for anti-white.
See James Lindsay
@@eurethnic really ?? please explain ?
@@mmccrownus2406 james lindsay is great. He knows his stuff.
Thank you gentlemen
Thank you Bishop Barron for this great talk. I've read one of Robert George's books-- The Clash of Orthodoxies. Highly recommended! Was delighted to see this in my feed!
Definitely! Bishops should talk to Catholic politicians that could undermine the faith of their flock especially in the issue of abortion!
Not all Bishops, especially those who have been caught (or sheltered) by the church for terrible crimes. But if they were to talk to politicians, let it be the GOP who are hypocritical since they all have had abortions in their families. I'm not just talking about Trump (who is the least christian POTUS in my lifetime) who still gets the far right wing religious to vote for him, but the many GOP members who have gotten mistresses pregnant and/or asked that they get an abortion. Or the "christian" GOP members who claim their abortion was not a real abortion... it was different somehow.
This is the subject matter that is critical to have in my thoughts. I really appreciate the efforts that went in to bringing it to us. Thank you Word on Fire ministries 🙏
So glad to see these two together. Two brilliant thinkers although the bishop is probably a better communicator. God bless them both.
Great intellectuals of our age
A great insightful discussion!
Another upcoming video which makes them 2 to look forward to? How exciting!:)
Two videos to watch! .Looking forward to these videos, Bishop.
Thank you in advance.
The truth is that we Christian Catholics from the Bible for 2000 years need to teach to defend the truth about all protestants churches that are man made , teaching false doctrine made many to believe false teachings. We as Catholic Christians of the church of Christ have to correct where they are wrong with the word of God, loving our neighbors.we are the true church let us be firm in our believe the faith given to be saved
Thank you
"The Church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool. If the Church does not fulfill its prophetic role with zeal, it will become an irrelevant social club without moral or spiritual authority." *- Martin Luther King, Jr.*
Thanks for recalling that great MLKJr quote for us. That's what John Adams meant when he said, "Our constitution was written for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other." When we the people, collectively, no longer hold THE truth to be self evident, and begin instead to operate according to our own "truth" which has neither conscience, nor empathy, nor fear of eternal consequence, we are in deep trouble.
AJ Carr,
Sincere appreciation for your valuable presence☆ God bless you heaps☆
The church of God is the Catholic church. The makers of the Bible and established by Jesus with authority.
The problem is there are to many churches that are against God. God only has one church. Too many protestant man made churches are devided. Caused great sin through out the whole world.
@@helenoce5007
All is GRACE☆ Let us thank the Father for everyone in the world and in gratitude to him for all his blessings, generously share from what we have received - time, knowledge, skills, wealth all with whoever that are less privileged. Pray with love for everyone.
Thanks for your presence☆ Stay blessed☆
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Absolutely compelling discussion with a distraction in the set design. Bishop Barron had to twist around in his chair to be engaged with Professor George. Helped a bit by an alert cameraman/director. Great series, just need a tweak in the set design to give a comfortable space for conversation.
Excellent and practical - thank you for the wisdom shared on the Natural Law and some ways to make this discussion about a hierarchy of the ration channeling one's will. Thank you for adding to my tool chest of evangelization.
Robert is exemplary
Excellent discussion - wish we had these at this level in Parish level presentations for everyone. Thank you so very much for both excellent speakers. You put into words the frustration most of us with less academic excellence have found so hard to stomach. Pease keep bringing us more of solid rational truths!
You might use this and other videos in your parish. Ask your parish priest first, of course.😃👍
I greatly appreciated the entire conversation. I especially appreciate how these discussion weave other philosophies into the conversation. Though only short sound bites of Hume, Nietcshe and others, the contrasting of them to say Aquinas, MLK Jr is extremely helpful. I now better understand why so many reject Catholicism primarily on the distinction made with respect to the functions of the intellect and the will.
Always look forward to these "Presents" discussions! Thanks Bishop Barron.
Really appreciate this conversation.
Excellent Talk
An essential conversation for our time
Love your videos
Yesssss finally someone who can successfully defend natural law theory against skeptical epistemology
Sorry but I just don't understand why you consider these to be incompatible?
Both seem equally capable of arriving at a "god needed" or "no god needed" conclusion.
@@downenout8705 It’s probably possible to arrive at either like you say. But in my experience epistemological skeptics usually believe that one cannot know what natural law is so even if it exists it is pointless.
@@DewiiEsq My epistemology is very much based around scepticism and I believe that you can "know" to a reasonable degree of certainty what natural law is.
I also don't see anything "pointless" about it.
I think that you have probably misunderstood the sceptics that you have engaged with.
We are all sceptics to a certain degree as I am sure that, just like me, you would be "sceptical" about crossing a busy road until you had gathered sufficient evidence to convince yourself that its safe to cross.
Excellent excellent!
Two beautiful men!
Three beautiful men with brains.
Thank you for this amazing program! I don’t know what integrelism means but I did follow everything else.
42 minutes in and the way we acknowledge the Lillie of 1 million babies and segue way to another topic just confirms to me that, we are in deep poop as a moral society. Am I off on this? There is no horror on our faces. No anger. Lord, have mercy.
It's true there has been some desensitization to the horror of the abortion industry. However, I think the segue was appropriate given that they were previously speaking about legislating morality and then about integralism which seeks to establish Catholic law in society (relevant to the topic of abortion).
Somewhat bizarre experience watching the entire conversation through as a "leftist/liberal/woke/progressive/insert ~not conservative, whether we're talking politically or religiously~ label here" (not sure which label I fall under, since the terms don't seem clearly defined by anyone (not just in this conversation, but by opponents in general). You get the sense that these guys think we're all basically destined to become amoral, illogical, and antisocial monsters lol. I'm just a person doing the best I can, just like I'm sure you are!
The question for you is, do you believe in truth? in absolute moral goodness? If you don't, then one can descend into nihilism and potentially wickedness.
They are very much hypocrites and tend to name only Dems/Liberals as the problem, when studies have shown Catholics to be less "moral" in many ways compared to Jews or Atheists. The fact that Catholics have to read a book to remain moral is frightening to me because I don't need some random God(s) to know what is moral or right.
They make up their own truths, then claim everyone must adhere to their "truths" all the while asking to be apologized when they are caught sinning.
Hope next interview there's more example in practical sense in the life of a person with what you are discussing...natural law, morality, etc...useful in our day to day life application.
Brilliant conversation. Fantastic duo for sure. As a parent of a teen exploring Wokism I earnestly need a video that expanins these points on a level he can understand. I tried to get him to listen to this and after a few minutes he said he just didn't "get it" because of the format of the talk. Any ideas? He believes The Church has lied to him, making up a "God" to control the masses. I need help.
Civil Law, Lawyers, the BAR association/legal society made up rules of civil procedure to control the masses. These men are subjects/slaves to the rules to civil procedure as employees of the corporations they took an oath to serve. These men would never touch the topic of Civil Law vs. Common/Natural law and the evils of the legal society for fear of losing their jobs. 30:40 Barron tips his hand on this, "I cant go into the legal realm the way you can" but he never gets close to saying anything meaningful. Jesus was condemned to death under Roman "Civil Law."
@Bek Blaku thank you for the encouragement!
I was exactly like him as a teen. It's fairly normal. Just help him to engage the questions so he doesn't settle with faulty conclusions. The stories of St. M. Kolbe, Franz Jägerstätter, Sophie Schull are just a few examples of Catholics resisting violence and evil *because* of their faith in the risen Jesus. He will eventually be told the Church is evil because of slavery, the inquisition, the crusades, etc. Once again: don't let him settle for half truths!! A good start is to check Catholic Answers in the web and on UA-cam. If he can make it through this period of doubt, he will shed his immature faith (it's uncomfortable!) and build up a faith that will last in the truth. I'm praying for you!!
@Ms.LeClaire educate your son with the amazing fulfilled prophecies of the Bible (like the prophecies in old testament written hundreds of years before the birth of Christ on the mission and impact of Christ after he comes. The prophecy of the Roman Catholic church in the book of Daniel written hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, which states that Messiah will come during the fourth kingdom (scholars identify it as Roman Empire). And then the kingdom that Messiah establishes will eventually possess that empire and spreads across the globe. Exactly same thing happened as history proves. The Church that Christ (Messiah) established, (Church is the Kingdom established by Messiah) had indeed possessed the Roman Empire 300 years later and then spread throughout the world exactly as prophecies in the old testament. These are the events that only God has control over and no human has. This proves the existence of God of the Bible.
Also you can introduce your son to the most amazing scientific artifact in human history which is called Shroud of Turin. It is regarded as the burial cloth of Jesus and it is the most rigorously scientifically studied artifiact ever. It is in Turin. Numerous exceptional scientists have studied it and no one has ever produced the report how how the image is formed. The most perfect example given in a top journal by a scientist was that this image can only be explained by the immense amount of energy radiation within a fraction of second from the body of the person wrapped in that cloth.
Also there are groundbreaking scientific observations in Bible we which could only be observed and validated after 19th and 20th century.
God of the Bible is the true living God who created and sustains and also in charge of the world affairs.
Even the Israel 1948 independence is described in such a minute detail pin pointing the exact year of 1948. The way in which Jews will be gathered from across the globe to form a nation in just a single day and also describes the birth of Israel in a wonder. God asks if anybody has ever heard of a woman getting birth pangs after the child is born?. God then goes on to say so will be the nation of Israel be born. After the birth of Israel it suffers the birth pangs. That is what happened. After Israel declared independence the Arab nations surrounded and waged war against it but they were all lost. So many amazing thing are present in the Bible. It is not the Church who created God. It is God who established first his people Jews and then adopted Christians as well as His treasured possession for the glory of His Name.
There’s a Catholic podcast called “Every Knee Shall Bow” that has been releasing a series that I think could help you learn what to do in your situation. The first episode of which is called “six types of fallen away Catholics”.
The late Kim Kwang-seok did a Korean cover of "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright" called "The Car with Two Tires" (두 바퀴로 가는 자동차)
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Hey, just found out you made these videos, just a suggestion: Add to the video title what conversation is about so we, who are not familiar with the speakers, can know if it's about something that will pique our interest.
Just excellent. The discussion on "conscience" seemed incomplete. What do we call "that feeling" when our conscience bothers us? It is absolutely necessary to predicate it on truth...do we feel ashamed that we are violating truth? There is an "emotional" feel to the conscience....
"You can't beat something with nothing"
Nihilists are the only ones who can manage this.
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First we have to answer to question of what do conservatives actually conserve?
Any books suggestions for philosophy?
Great video, but I feel like it targets a certain group only. I remember a conversation I had a while back with a Taoist about LGBT and he said, "gay-ness occurs elsewhere amongst other animals in nature, so gay-ness is natural." I have heard this line of thought in other forums too. I hope the truth gets out there to more people.
Civil law should encourage people to virtue and punish vice. The law is a teacher. We have lost that in our liberal/ libertarian ethos.
I’m exhausted. Lol
if the faithful is steeped in contraceptive practices, how can we overcome the evil of abortion. Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own? Matthew 7:3
I just stopped the conversation after the discussion on abortion, as an issue of the sanctity of life being a preeminent issue. I think Bishop Barron might have it wrong. In this matter, isn't fornication the preeminent issue? I wish I could give a well thought out argument for this idea but I am not there yet however, I seem to be getting an inspiration, maybe from the Holy Spirit, that it is correct. What do you think? Also, it seems that if the bishops need to correct politicians and other Catholics in the public life about abortion which they should, they also need to do the same regarding immigration, stewardship of the environment, healthcare, police violence, unjust war, capital punishment, income inequality, worker's rights and many other issues. It is also important, I am confident that we can agree, that it is not enough to criticize a mistake but we (and now I include the informed laity) we also must instruct the offenders on why the Church condemns certain ideas and actions. The ideas discussed in this conversation are critical for the Church to successfully admonish sinners.
Abortion is surely worse than fornication, for abortion is the murder of innocent life.
Why are the Good Shepherds being persecuted by their superiors He flocks is fed up of being abandoned so tired and ashamed of the evil acts by the apostles of Christ Praying for the Conversion of poor sinners Our Lady of Fatima pray for us We need more Shepherds like the venerable Fulton Sheen Stop bowing down to Cesar and proclaim the Truth
I would as a question regarding “wokeness”. I would ask, as in the case of Georgia, what is worse? The voter suppression of the GOP, or boycotting Coca Cola , to speak up? I think that’s fairly obvious, voter suppression is the worse evil. I am not a liberal. And anti abortion, I am devoted to our church, but, abortion aside, there is a hollowness in the constant pointing fingers at liberals, while never pointing them at some conservative ideas. As two philosophers, you should see both sides, and be equally critical.
Guy, please take a look at the reaction I get from many Catholic conservatives! And then tell me I’m never critical of their ideas.
The Catholic conservatives who tend to criticize you are those who reject Vatican II. The conservatives being referenced here are republicans, a group composing a diversity of divergent perspectives, from libertarianisn (largely antithetical with Catholic Social Teaching) to Trumpism (also largely antithetical with CST).
While you admirably strive to present a holistic vision of CST and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition, I agree that it can seem you focus excessively on 'woke' culture and thereby the democrats, while inadequately challenging the myriad issues on the right (which Pope Francis is much better at challenging, perhaps one-sidedly too). Also, I would encourage a willingness to engage woke culture more charitably, in an analagous way to how you treat atheists and agnostics. Why not host a debate with someone who defends 'woke' views and affirm what is positive, challenge what is bad, and present the beautiful, superior Catholic alternative? It can seem that you tend dismiss uncharitably all woke views, and, in doing so, present a caricature.
I am a fan of yours, simply offering friendly suggestions.
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I would gladly lie to protect the reputation (if of course the reputation was worthy of protecting) of a friend -- Catholic natural law be damned.
Why do Catholic bishops/pope speak out against abortion and deny communion… but don’t do the same for war and greed/theft?
While the discussion in the abstract has its moments, having the Chairman of the Board of the National Organisation for Marriage as a guest is at best unnerving and at most providing a forum for the leader of a hate group.
I agree to a point on many of the things they're saying. However, I'm concerned that certain points will be taken too far. Take abortion for example. I'm against it, but are we to ignore the issues that face the woman bearing a child. The circumstances? Any she was raped, are we to ignore that horrible situation? Should she be held responsible for a child forced on her? The child has equal right to life but that woman deserves sympathy and her situation needs to be understood. Also, regarding lying. If the truth is always the best course, what about a situation where telling the truth puts an innocent in danger of being hurt or killed? Which is more important, the individual's safety or the principle of telling the truth? These are issues that shouldn't be glossed over. Yes, abortion is wrong, but we need to be careful with how we discuss it. I mean, if a person outside the church calls them out on something, say, a nunnery conducts abortions behind closed doors, and yet here are these Christians decrying abortion. Some could say that's laughable, maybe hypocritical. So, I agree with them, but I'm not sure they're being careful enough to discuss those delicate complexities. I'm hoping I'm wrong somewhere, but surely these are issues Christians need to keep in mind.
Regardless, I'm enjoying these videos!
/cANCEL
Killing of 1 million.
Sorry bishop, but you are wrong on one essential point: all people should like spaghetti and meatballs.
You're actually right...