Borderlands 3s loot system is like if Christmas morning was every morning. Finding a legendary It loses its lustre after you have to sort through which legendaries you want to keep after every small encounter
Plus there’s far too many legendaries compared to 2 and presequel. It got to the point in my playthrough where I felt I wasn’t justly rewarded when a boss didn’t drop a legendary
@@Dinosaurman34 indeed. It feels as if the same amount of gear is good in bl3 as bl2 which shouldnt be the case because theres like over 2x the amount of legendary items.
@@Dinosaurman34 “you beat that boss in dark souls while wearing armor and swinging a big sword? Ugh run invalid filthy casual” vs “no that’s not rewarding you got it too early, run invalid you filthy casual” honestly im not seeing the difference
BL2's DLC also has been outstanding. Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep is just spot-on excellent; Torgue and Scarlett are almost as good, Headhunters is also very good, even if I dislike its episodic nature a bit. The way Hammerlock's DLC is set in a caricature of Africa sorta turns me off, but even that DLC has plenty of "Wow!" moments.
one other thing is all the glitches. be it a mob sailing off into the sky or trying to clip through walls. ppl are still findind new things in bl2 a decade later.
This is veryyy true, so many things still being discovered or just players having personal experiences that they haven’t seen even after 11 years. I find myself seeing random details that I have never noticed before even now.
the other day I was screwing around behind the caravan after robbing it in the dust, like RIGHT on it's rear with the Technical, pushing against the bumper with the boost when it got to the map exit.....we got "jammed" at the exit because it didn't go through right away and i was still boosting; all of a sudden i heard something like a loud B0re sound and my Technical flew what felt like hundreds of feet into the sky and landed outside the map, I was driving around past the kill boundary out in all the open space to the left of the map exit....haven't been able to do it again but if you try it, i think it has to be the technical, the runner blows up pretty much immediately when you try to boost into the caravan
I agree . Gearbox has a road map to success with BL2 . But , Gearbox didn’t do that . Instead , Borderlands has an identity crisis ……. I’m no longer on board with Randy P. I will not preorder another gearbox product after being burnt with Wonderlands
@@FronzelNeekburmit’s probably because the games format + it’s end game You use the game board map to maneuver between areas and find secrets, but once you clear it all out and explore it all, it serves no purpose anymore but to waste time And the end game chaos chambers are just plain bad imo. They are not a bad concept but they are short, repetitive, boring and copy pasted. And you HAVE to do them dozens and dozens of times over and over in order to progress deep into the end game. Isn’t nearly as enjoyable as normal BL end games
Great stuff . I love in BL2 that you can see a gun on the floor and know it's good or bad without even looking at the item card also that mission completion box "tick" so you can listen to dialogue or just save quit and get on with your day . Swear BL3's story at launch you spent more time listening/watching & waiting than actually playing in those 20-30 hour playthroughs just ridiculous .
@@VB2P360 the arkham series, the souls series, titanfall 2, Elden ring, dead cells, risk of rain 2, sekiro, ghosts of Tsushima, warframe, hifi rush, devil may cry I could go on but we’d be here for days. As a looter shooter? Sure it’s one of the best but as an overall game? Sorry buddy there’s a lot of games that top it
@@VB2P360 also I’m assuming you’ve never heard of the phrase never say never. See unless you’ve got a Time Machine or the tardis sitting in your garage there’s no way that can be predicted. Yes I know you didn’t say it but something tells me you agree with the opinion. I’d even go so far as to say you believe it’s fact. Thing is it’s not. It will be topped as a looter shooter eventually leaving you with only two choices. Be a man and give up the childish word, “never” or continue to live in ignorance to your dying breath.
I think the storyline is what set it apart. It's long enough to keep you engaging but short enough that you can finish in a week even at slow pace so you don't get too overwhelmed. It also has the right balancing of the loot pool. The absolute best one are good enough to stand out of the rest but not too good to the point they become the only viable options. I think BL 2 got it right that this is first and foremost an RPG and not an FPS. I heard some people said the gunplay of BL 3 may be better but they lack the RPG elements that BL 2 has.
IT DID!! I mean they went super extra! This was the first video game I return to after not playing games since the very first Nintendo came out. Borderlands 1 and Borderlands 2 on an Xbox 360. Started playing video games again about 4 years ago and what two games to come into. Playing this EVERYDAY since and STILL learning new play styles and extra sh** to be done. Maybe I'm just biased so far but so far there are still things being discovered on 12-14 year old games. Nuts bro ....nuts. And my one of my favorite content peoples to watch cover the bases on such games. Keep em coming Hellfire!! Literally feel sorry for the scrutiny that will fall upon Borderlands 4 writers and developers. They have a high bar to get over.
Jack has only been brought back *as an antagonist* once, and he was a tertiary antagonist at best, Gearbox isnt "bringing Jack back because they know their new villains wont compare", they just outright *arent* bringing Jack back in the first place and have openly stated they dont want Jack to return as an antagonist
@@0fficalHellfire what about 3's base game? what about all of 3's other DLCs (mind you the only appearance he even has in the DLCs is as a pre-recorded hologram)? he doesn't appear in Wonderlands either, although the antagonist in it is loosely inspired by him, if my memory is right he didn't appear in New Tales at all either if anything 2 was overly reliant on Jack, he appeared as an antagonist in one of the DLCs in the game he already died in *and* is very heavily featured one of the promotional games before 2 released
@@edenengland1883 he’s a hologram in the og tales, the pre sequel, handsome jackpot. And they rereleased the dlc as a standalone which some people actually play💀
@@0fficalHellfire and in the 3's base and all the non Jackpot DLCs, he is mentioned only one single time collectively across all of them, in Wonderlands and it's DLCs, he isn't even mentioned once, in Pre-Sequel, he is an *ally*, in Tales, he is the antagonist for... like 5 seconds at the end of the game and is the 3rd antagonist in the game, and even in Jackpot, he is... a prerecorded message that does not interact with the cast a single time or even appear beyond the first minute of the DLC, that's like saying Roland "got brought back" for Borderlands 3 because there's an inanimate statue of him in the game quoting you: "The villains haven't gotten much better either, which is exactly why they brought Handsome Jack back so many times", he has been brought back as an antagonist ONCE, and in that game there were multiple other main antagonists, your "point" is literally nonexistent
A caveat is required for what I'm about to say, so I love BL2 and have easily over 1000+ hours on it on various consoles but it did not set the bar too high, Gearbox merely consistently fails to hit the bar. Let me explain... 1. The Vault Hunters, while I love the VHs in BL2, it's shown in the pre-sequel that 2K Australia could put magic into characters without re-using similar powersets. BL2's VHs were improved versions of BL1, which makes sense, but Pre-Sequel's kits were so different and unique and fun and, most importantly, balanced concerning each other. A Jack was just as welcome on the team as Aurelia or an Athena. Meanwhile, BL2 devolved into 4 Sals running around with DPUHs and Grogs. Every other character felt weak since the game was being balanced around a broken build forcing everyone to adopt the most META build they had access to even if it was a pain to set up like Max Anarchy Gaige or Sniper Assention Zer0. Not to mention Pre-sequel VHs all had healing built into their kits! Reducing the need to take up a gun slot on a Moxxie gun, and everyone had great sustain while others who did less damage had better sustain. 2. The guns, BL2 has some awesome guns but it always has the most toy-feeling guns in the entire franchise. A lot of non-Jacobs guns sound like peashooters with low impact even when they melt enemies. I replayed BL1 not too long ago and the guns genuinely feel more fun to me, mind you I play exclusively on consoles so it's not like I have an overhaul mod for the combat if such a thing even exists. The guns are weighty, the sounds are crunchy and the the whole Borderlands aesthetic is matched a lot better, a desolate lawless wasteland where guns that melt people's faces off were handcrafted by the psychos usin'em. When I think about BL2, people praise a handful of guns like the Harold or the Pimpernell, maybe the Sandhawk but any gun I find in BL1 on the floor has a chance to feel awesome. Not to mention the randomness of parts was amazing. I will never forget the perfect Lv34 Firehawk I found on a solo Lilith playthrough that did so much damage that when I got to Lv69 and found other Firehawks my Lv34 gun was out DPSing them. It was always exciting to look through gear in BL1 while BL2 is more about rushing to endgame to farm items one at a time and I'd prefer a system where both are possible. 3. The story, BL2's story was goated of course but the Pre-sequel and Tales 1 showed that you can have strong character writing in a goofy hellish world like Borderlands. Pre-sequel added characters responding to the people chatting to you through the Echonet while not being obnoxiously written or being on comms all the time like BL3. Fiona is probably my favorite protagonist in the franchise despite having more than 600+ hours on Maya because she's so well-written. Pre-sequel had a lot of moments that dragged out a lot but seeing Jack turn and pose the question if he's in the wrong was great and I, to this day still see Lilith as more of a villain than Jack ever was. This makes me hate BL3 even more as the game is written like the Pre-sequel never happened and wants us to think Lilith and Moxxie are amazing human beings. 4. The Raid Bosses, so if you read this far it probably sounds like I'm a massive Pre-sequel simp and you're not wrong. While the Pre-sequel only had the Emperyan Sentinel and EOS they were both brutal yet fair fights that were manageable on Solo without being a top 1% player. To this day I haven't killed Vermi because that fuck refuses to spawn for me and Raid Bosses like Voracidous require gear to kill him that HE DROPS! BL2 might have more raid bosses but man I hate over half of the fights and most aren't even worth doing as they have bum ass gear. Ignoring the raid part of the section BL2 has some bad normal bosses too. Whoever designed Badassasauress deserves to have a pinky cut-off. Never had any issues with bosses in BL1 while the Pre-sequel does have a handful of stinkers like Bouncepad man, that dude can stonewall a playthrough if you didn't go into TVHM with gear that can kill him quickly because that shock damage is insane past Lv10. Ultimately, I love BL2 but it is not perfect, not even close. Not being on PC and being able to nab someone else's save file or use gibbed save editor means builds like Melee Zero or Accention Zero are impossible for me to play with no way to farm a bladed Grog or that Lv7 purple sniper to build stacks. Getting a fresh VH from Lv51 to Lv70+ is still a massive pain as you have to get far enough in the game to farm legendaries every other level because only a handful of blues can do anything to enemies with 4x HP with regen turned on. BL2 didn't set the bar too high, Gearbox just isn't the team they used to be.
I think parts also play a huge roll for example let's you're farming for a harold and boom matching parts DPUH it makes your day Also knowing the little details makes me geek out
@@0fficalHellfire it's funny you mention that, because i tried the 3rd game after some thought and i gotta say, it wasn't all that bad and was kinda fun my only and MAJOR gripe with the game has to be the story, since it feels kind of boring and bland
Yes, obviously BL2 has the best story, but I think BL: TPS, as you said is solid, and I’d dare argue, very nearly on par with BL2’s. It’s a coherent, detailed narrative of Jack’s rise to becoming the “Handsome” new CEO of Hyperion after he ( *SPOILERS:* ) strangles Mr. Tassiter in the epilogue cutscene of the game.
@@willianmagnoni112 Yeah, but 2K Australia released a pretty broken and buggy game at launch. If not for that launch, we probably would’ve gotten _Luxy’s Space Adventure_ and the 2 other planned story DLCs.
I've gone back to BL2 recently and the fact I've only gotten two legendary items on the first kill is so nice to see compared to BL3 where during leveling you got so many it was pointless to check anything not blue minimum because there was no point because gear was tossed out too freely
Yep, how can you top Borderlands 2 regarding FPS? I've been playing it for years and have yet to even play all the missions. Sometimes I just look at the scenes they created and, as a game making hobbyist using the Godot game Engine, I marvel at all the work that went into it. Simply amazing.
One thing i have to say about borderlands 2’s loot that bl3 actually fixed is the heavy meta, in bl2 every single build was bee hawk, bee conference call, or dpuh. Bl3, at least without arms race, is much more varried in available weaponry that you can do endgame content with. Yeah the pearl and revolter meta is strong, but you can get by without it
i feel like it would be a worthwhile reward that if you are on UVHM and beat the story you get multiple free level ups. the xp farm from 50 to 80 is quite arduous. to 72 was rough back then but 80 is exhausting
borderlands 2 is the best ever game in the franchise to come out, period. i got hooked to this style of game, and game play in borderlands 1. part 2 blew my mind and is way better than anything since. your analysis is spot on, creators need to make part 4 like part 2. im sure im not the only player thats returned to borderlands 2 over and over and over X10. awesome content hellfire. thanks
While pondering on the subject I finally came to realize one of my biggest disappointments with the franchise. In the age we are currently living in where it seems like all creative freedom is being muzzled by those looking to censor any and all themes deemed by them to be too offensive in order to appeal to the widest, and as a consequence, the blandest kind of audience I guess I really believed that borderlands would be one of the few left that would stay true and free from this strange form or oppression. The moment I saw my first midget and noticed the name above the health bar saying “tink” or whatever stupid shit they call them now, a small part of me died on the inside because that’s when I knew without a doubt that they had won. I know it may seem like a petty example but it’s all of the little things that add up that tell me that they aren’t the borderlands that I grew up loving, the borderlands that wasn’t afraid to push the envelope. Now they are something too scared to say something actually funny when there is a chance it could be at the expense of some softy’s feelings. Whats truly petty is having the need to ruin the harmless fun that others are having because you are projecting your own insecurities you have about yourself to whatever it is others are having a laugh about. An example of this would be like if you got upset at someone for making fun of fat people, those people aren’t hurting you, what is hurting is the inadequacy that you feel for yourself because of your weight. At the end of the day you have no one to blame for the way you feel about yourself then your own self. I’ll end there before getting too off topic because the people that need to hear that won’t be listening. Live life with no room in your heart for anything but love and god bless us all.
It shows just how good this formula is, and how disappointing it is that the devs didn't follow it in their other titles. I'm honestly just left wondering why tf they haven't stuck with it.
@@nathanhendrickson790 No? I want a not cringe story, dedicated loot drops on release, and a real bad guy that i want to kill. Because i hate them, not that i find them annoying. Also side note if they had been doing that, it still would have probably been better than borderlands 3 imo.
@@Code_6_Beluga not really. All those glitches that hellfire gushes about would be gone. Boring bunker would probably be gone Salvador would be the least used character and yall would be hating on 2 like you would on 3
@@nathanhendrickson790 No, because their would still decicated loot drops and a story i wouldnt hate so much, i wouldnt want to start any new characters. Also i never talked about any glitches, i already find sal boring asf so i wouldnt care. Also i doubt boring bunker would be gone, overlapping hitboxes from his gun turrets are enough to kill him lmao.
great video bro, really good points aswell they really did set the bar too high and ever since bl2 we haven't seen anything like it... i never understood why they got rid of dedicated loot drops/farming on the recent game releases it's a looter shooter how can you get rid of the main things that make ur game a "looter shooter"🤣💀
One thing that I personally think that BL 2 got right, and that sets it apart from other games, is how politically incorrect it is. Think about it... The midgets. They are strapped on shields, they are confined to small boxes and are hated by nomads. Goliaths... Making fun of people with mental disorders is always risky. Dr. Zed and Marcus... Totally free of any scruples whatsoever. I could go on and on. From what little I have seen of BL 3, it's been very mainstreamed compared to BL 2, and that's the reason why I will probably never play it.
@@iCHRIS-x Coming out of the closet is difficult, from what I hear, but this is hardly the time or place to publicly announce your sexual preferences. In any case... I'm not interested!
it really didnt set the bar too high. the writing was just good with the addition of the gameplay being fun. if they kept the same writer and vibe it would have been fine (in bl3)
Take me back to the BL2 release day. Thousands of hours poured into BL2, never got bored because the replay value was just so damn good. 12 years later and the game is still extremely relevant. BL4 won’t stand a chance unfortunately.
…. You know there’s an old saying. Longing for the past only takes your focus away from the future. Bl4 could be bad or it could actually top 2. That’s the beauty of the future it’s unknown. And unless you have the back to the future car in your garage I wouldn’t try to pass off “bl4 will fail” as fact if I were you. It just makes you look ignorant and gives you the image of a fanboy. No one trusts fanboys cause you’d buy cocaine if whoever you’re fanboying over is selling it and you’ll overdose on it with a smile on your face.
@@nathanhendrickson790 Dang, passive aggressive much kid? You’re clearly freaking insane and have a loose screw in your head. You went to talking about drugs, clearly way off topic. You must be one of the stupid work devs at gearbox that got hired. Clearly you haven’t been keeping up with past games that came out after BL2, they’ve been bad. Player base is gone, and yes BL4 could be good or bad, that’s the only logical thing you mentioned In that comment of yours. You’re reading too much into it, go put your phone down and relax. You sound like a less than dirt human being right now kid. (waiting for your smart a$$ reply!)
@@nathanhendrickson790Dang, passive aggressive much? You’re clearly insane and went way off topic by talking about drugs and death? You definitely have a loose screw in your head or something kid. You’re probably one of the stupid woke devs at gearbox. Not sure if you’ve been following the games that came out after BL2, but they’ve been bad. The player base is gone for the most part. Yes, BL4 can be bad or good, that’s the only logical thing you said in your comment. You’re sounding like a less than dirt human right now kid. (Waiting for your smart a$$ keyboard warrior reply!) hahahaha😂
@@nathanhendrickson790 And you’re a BL3 fAnBoY! Go take your own advice and take your own advice and leave this earth with a smile on your face too fanboy hahahaha you poor sap
Games are very lucky to have me replaying them a lot but bl2 is just ONE OF THOSE GAMES that has me comin back to replay them at least 1 or 2 times a year 😂 it never gets old
The watcher was never used except in those monoliths that she speaks. Also she said war is coming you will need all the vault hunters you can get. Me okay we can use more than just 4 in the beginning welp.
I don’t mind characters dying but dam that cliche where previous main character says to protege don’t follow stay here where it’s safe and protege nah imma follow so you die in the dumbest way possible. Also me main character just stands their watching other characters die because plot
The areas where just to big took forever to get anywhere made exploring a drag would’ve prefer medium to small maps where a car isn’t necessary but here it’s a must
I respect the opinion but I’d say the positives far outweigh the negatives of later titles and the big negatives of bl2 are 2 raid bosses being broke at op10. Multiplayer rubber banding. (Which is every borderlands game ever) gearbox sucks at multiplayer connection. A lot of the glitches are what has made the game so popular. Sal is literally a walking glitch, Gaige gets her best skill by level 6💀 I mean it’s not a perfect game. But in terms of the borderlands franchise. In my eyes, it set the bar exceptionally high and they’ve never come close to reaching it.
@@0fficalHellfire Loot pools were broken for 3 years or more. Maya was a meme for the first half of the games life span with cloud kill, tons of the raid bosses were untouchable to the casual community. Only a handful of patches came to the game on PC, and console saw less than half of that. Its a coding mess due to it being outsourced to multiple different companies. Big reason it will be near impossible to remaster.
It won’t be remastered because this game was an accident. Trying to fix sals offhand or nerfing anarchy would piss people off. Yeah you’re right about it being superrr broken for years but we’re talking about today. The loot pools have been fixed since 2015. Almost a decade ago at this point. Borderlands 3 would lock there best weapons behind dlc (cough cough mega cannon) then nerf it 30 days after so no one could refund after they bought the dlc for that gun. It’s the weird half baked live service approach borderlands 3 took and that the rest of the franchise seems to be headed that makes me think they’ll never do better then bl2. Like I said, it’s not a perfect video game. But it’s still my favorite
@0fficalHellfire If bl2 released in this day and age with those bugs and problems, it would be crucified on arrival. Back then, we had bl2 or bl1 to play and of course bl2 is going to be superior to it. But that's not to say later titles were better. Personally TPS was nearly the perfect game. Just missed the last 2 dlc and a few patches. Sadly Australia had a bad time in the game dev field, 2k Australia was the last company to go under actually.
@@0fficalHellfire unless you’ve got the back to future car hiding in your garage I wouldn’t use the words never if I were you. What if when it does come out and it does indeed top bl2 in ever way? Will you eat your words and say you’re wrong? Or will you become a fanboy and defend this game preaching to everybody with a set of ears on why they should play 2 instead of 4 and die on that hill? That’s the beauty of future kid. It can’t be predicted.
They need to just make a remake that is also a remix of BL2 where they add a 4th skill tree to everyone, add more skills to the existing trees (including adding more Action Skills like in BL3 and Augments), bring it up to the BL3 graphical standard, add more items (like adding weapons to the headhunter bosses or even adding stuff from BL1, BLTPS and BL3) and they'll have an amazing jumping off point where they could make NEW expansions for it and people would eat that up and we'd all be happy. Could even add the slamming from BLTPS, the machine you could exchange weapons at (Don't need to add Luneshine itself, it's the same issue Anointments have), etc. Side Note: Anointments could easily be fixed by making it so you get the Anointment as a separate item and you apply it to the item you want the effect on.
Borderlands 2, Pre-Sequel and Tales are to this day some of my favorite games of all time, with 2 being the absolute peak. Wish Gearbox would actually hire competent writers and go back to pacing their games correctly so they can make another amazing game but doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon.
The saddest part is - is that with BL3's game play it just need to as good as BL2 inorder to surpass it but gear box couldn't even match the quality of a 10 year old game.
I think that all the borderlands games have something special to them like bl1 is the foundation, bl2 has the story borderlands the preseqoul was space, bl3 got the gun play, tales from the borderlands was fun and wonderlands was bl3 but with a better story.
Bl2 ,Presequel and Tales from the Borderlanda are peak of the franchise.3 was cool too and although I had lot of fun with this game the story and climat lack something
Ok maybe time to reload BL2 back up. Ive been playing alot of BL1 last year. I found if i do every single mission and fight everything on forst playthru. I get as high as level as possible then on 2nd playthru only do game mission to beat game. Then all the stuff to do is hard the rest of 2nd playthru and very challenging
While i personally love Borderlands 3, and i do think that it did a lot of things better than BL2(apart from the story), and it's really hard for me to go back to it after BL3, i do agree: 3 and Wonderlands unfortunately weren't able to recapture that same magic, and even if Borderlands 4(or however it's going to be called) ends up being a great game, it would still be considered inferior to BL2.
It would be hard to recreate the magic without the same team. Im pretty sure that most of the people who made BL2 the game we love arent there anymore and the CEO is way too much in bed with the Hollyweird-like crowd.
BL2 can be a pain in the ass sometimes but I find myself running back to it if I need my BL fix! I've been so disappointed with the games after TPS that I'm no where near excited about a BL4! I definitely don't care or want another Wonderlands or Tales Of.
I'm big borderlands 2 fan but I was suck on a game bug ever went back. I use up all money and sell 99% of my guns just to get more Ammo and sill can't kill the boss
Hey man thanks for the content you've put out in the past. I wish you still did playthroughs and whatnot. Just some feedback I used to be a subscriber but the videos became real infrequent and the last like 5 or so videos feel like they are all just "BL2 is the best" and that's it. To clarify BL2 is my all time favorite video game but now these videos feel like the same thing over and over. Hope you find some great content for the future... Of all the BL youtubers personality-wise I enjoyed your stuff more than even Joltz or K6 but alas I guess we as BL fans don't have too much new Gearbox content to work with anyway.
I’ve been trying to nail this point down because it’s not only an amazing game but gearbox needs to get an entire team to study this one to see why we loved it so much. But Hey man, I appreciate that. I’ve put up 2 funny moments type videos lately. They’re just not titled that way. One Called “Borderlands 2 Is Still Fun” and the one called the Christmas cobra. I shoot for at least 2 videos a week. One every Friday and Sunday. :)
Borderlands 2 have one problem TVHM. Hate to use slag and specific builds for it. Also you need to make 3 full story run (or 2 if you have Comander Lilith dlc). In BL3 I now that I will just play 4 story modes if I want to make all char lv 72. But in BL2 its just too much for me. Loved BL2 to death but BL3 is just more fun. (for me).
You don't need slag for TVHM. It's harder than normal mode, yes. But you can get by using weapons normally. UVHM on the other hand is stupid. I absolutely refuse to touch it,
Leveling up is both great and terrible. When you're playing at launch it's great to cap out, get settled, and then get some dlc with a new cap. But now, you gotta get from 1 to 80 with no breaks. You never feel settled and it all feels temporary until you cap. It just needs s small tweak. If you beat normal you should be level capped at 32 or whatever until you start tvhm, and capped again at 50 until you start uvhm (or just have a toggle to start the new cap when ready). It sucks to beat tvhm and want to farm up a build but now you're 56 with lvl 50 guns going against level scaled enemies. Just let me marinate a bit at 50 ffs.
Wait borderlands only sold 6 copies. Also borderlands 2 definitely set the bar too high it was the first game I got seriously into before then I was a casual gamer and it’s still my main game
I played through BL3 twice and then got frustrated with the whole ‘anointed’ aspect of weapons and enemies. Instead of being fun, BL3 became a chore. The Calypso Twins just didn’t seem all that interesting and I didn’t look forward to any interactions with them leading up to their boss fights. 18 year old Tina just didn’t capture the manic, high energy magic the pre teen version brought to the game. And, Claptrap wasn’t Claptrap anymore. I haven’t tried Wonderlands because it just doesn’t excite me. Most reviews I’ve seen are rather lukewarm. BL2 had a wicked sense of humor and Handsome Jack was just brilliant.
Just finished BL3, got it on sale last month. The story could have been so much better (calypso twins themselves actually wouldn't have been bad starter villains). The biggest problem to me is how little interaction the player has with affecting the outcome of the story. Half the time you're there watching stupid shit happen instead of idk preventing the villain from doing villainous things. Don't even get me started on how they act like Ava, Tannis, and Lilith are the ones who saved the galaxy. The DLCs were pretty good tho. I do prefer the fluidity of movement in BL3, it feels good. Legendaries seem to be a bit too common for my liking but eh. I don't think it's impossible to surpass Borderlands 2 but it will be VERY difficult and I don't have a ton of faith they'll pull it off.
Youre right, BL3 was too busy kissing Lilith's feet while simultaneously trying to prop up her, Ava and Tannis as the past, present and future heroes of the franchise that literally every other character suffered for it (except Wainright Jakobs). I'm glad that you played it recently and not at launch so you got to avoid the clusterfuck BL3 was at launch and the following 6 months that was a constant barrage of "fixes" the game had that nerfed good gear and skills while ignoring others that underperformed. The poorly planned loot system that had about 86% of the intial legendary gear world drop instead of specific sources. The attempt at live service where they trickled out mostly disliked small events (but to be fair, 2 very good ones), and level caps in 3's and 4's instead of the traditional 10/11.
@@GreenDinoRanger I can't even imagine how broken the game must have been at launch. Even now there's more crashes that I get now than I ever remember from the first two games. As for the story, I remember early on feeling that something wasn't quite right and this game is somehow "different" from the feeling I got from 1 & 2. It's quite true about the Lilith part. I actually fired up Borderlands 1 and the enhanced today and if you look at her original character design she seemed rather reserved. Granted BL2 brought more of her personality out but it wasn't "girl power" agenda driven. And actually as far as Ava goes I wasn't bothered that much by her until they just gave her all of maya's powers without fucking earning it. I don't know who made all of these narrative decisions (I doubt it was just ol Pitchford) but if they don't severely rethink the route they are taking the franchise BL3 might be my last. It sucks because the world of Borderlands has so much potential but they're fucking it up so badly. Whew rant over 😅
@ShadowSnowLeopard95 Surprisingly, there wasn't too many major bugs in BL3's launch. Only Killawatt's arena doing about 100 times more damage than it should, so you had to be overleveled to have enough health to live through the damage. Troy's orbs were the other ones that did like 4000 times the damage they were supposed to, but only in off-line mode. Everything else is mainly due to Gearbox's never-ending tinkering that they did afterwards. As for te narrative decisions (strap in, this is gonna be a rant) were ultimately approved by Randy Varnell, the head writer and creator of Ava. I saw his interview on The Borderlands Show a couple of months after BL3 launched, and the dude was very clearly a hardcore Lilith simp. That's why she no longer had that crippling eridium addiction that she had all throughout BL2, why all her flaws were phased out (no pun intended) and why she became Pandora's hero and everyone only spoke of her taking down Handsome Jack with no acknowledgement to the second gen vault hunters. In the interview (this is slightly paraphrased), Lilith wanting our help was supposed to "make the player feel important because Lilith is so powerful and important." It's this sentence that makes me think he was the reason we had to talk to Lilith 3 times a mission. Ava was supposed to be this tragic character because her diary was read aloud. Not the contents of the diary itself, just that her secret thoughts were exposed, and that people who don't like Ava "just didn't play all of her side missions." I can only assume that Ava got everything because she basically had the same character arc as Lilith but done worse. Cocky, overconfident idiot who gets someone they love killed because they refused to stay away from place they shouldn't have gone, is present for death of villain and inherits control of Sanctuary and Crimson Raiders. Apparently, only a siren can be commander, and Tannis is too wacky to be in charge.
I feel like Borderlands 2's story wasnt as good as people hype it up. Many parallels people give BL3 shit for in its story is present in BL2 as well; Just cause Jack is arguably the best villain in gaming period doesn't mean the story he's in is automatically good
It was kind of criminal what BL3 did to the BL2 vault hunters. Maya is dead. Axton and Sal turned from badasses to corny gameshow hosts. Gaige, a genius kid who built a killer robot, has become a wedding planner. Zer0 was kind of okay, but effectively being a company man seems out of character. Krieg was fine and had some good character development.
I don't think they set the bar too high. I think they just made a masterpiece of a game that will live forever. I won't buy BL4. Currently farming hyperious with a lvl 66 Sal. Need an evolution for the dragons. Long live BL2!
Yeah progression in 2 sucked. However they shot themselves in the foot long before bl3 came out when they raised the cap to level 72. In my opinion the xp grind should’ve been over by level 50.
Bl3 story had potential but the whole leaching the the moon thing was stupid. ecept for AVA, i like the chacacters of BL3 like Penn and Teller Typhone De Leon, Reece, Lauralie, Waynright Jackobs, and Clay was one of the best characters of all the franchises. Id like to see a content creator maybe do a map comparison of BL2 and Bl3 as well. Weapons and RElics are far superior in BL3 and there is way better farming in BL3. In Bl2 you can farm the warrior for days and not get a legendary. Things in BL4 they need to fix 1. Goliaths - the goliaths suck in BL3 they need to chase after you and threaten to choke you with your own intestines 2. Midgits no more tinks brink back midgits and their nomads 3. Fix the anoited eniemies they are anyoing 4. vehicles- fix the vehicles so you don't get one shot and have the vehicle station remember your skin ect. Add farmable vehicle armor and special weapons. 5. make the story more believeble and more R rated than PG maybe add some adult content
I’m gonna need to hear what your idea of rated r content for this game should be. Cause if you’re talking about cringeworthy, random, and flat out uncomfortable sex scenes imma have to give it a hard no. Naughty dog pulled that stunt and it did not go well with anybody.
Honestly, I do not think that borderlands 2 set the bar too high. I think the gaming industry is just falling short as a whole. Like I'm bored of games. Like I can barely bring myself to play games for more than 30 minutes without hanging out with my buddies. And then when they're not on I'm not on playing games for 90% of the day I want to say. Why don't you take your shots at borderlands 3 I genuinely believe it was actually a really good game and I love the amount of legendaries I love the vault hunters I love some of the characters like clay and we get to meet Wainwright Jacobs and the DLCs were really damn good. The biggest issue with that damn game is the Calypso twins. Oh my God, I've never felt so bored by a villain in a game. And before anybody replies yes I am in fact counting Ava as a part of the description of the worst part of borderlands 3 is in fact the calypso twins. Because it was not really super prudent in the game right now and the next game will determine whether or not she is the cancer that a lot of us are leaning towards but she got my account which immediately put her in the category of needing to be gone from the game. Then she blames Louis for getting miyah killed. When it was her that did it. And then the just super entitled tantrum attitude she has is just bad. But and I say this as heavily as I can but, can you really say she's more cringey than two people trying to be social media influencers and acting like absolute douchebags and just saying the most cringe tik Tok social media garbage that comes to their mind while actively making people fall asleep?
I think you can compare Handsome Jack and Borderlands to the MCU and Loki here. It peaked at Avengers, in Story Telling and with the Villain. So they brought him back until he feels just like a normal Dude, similiar as how you sometimes in an RPG you get a Boss as a Player Character and the dude is just not the same. No further point, I was just watching your Video while thinking of finishing the Second Season of Loki and not feeling Motivated. As for Sequels or Franchises ... I no longer feel any hype for any of them. That Horse died somewhere between Prince of Persia - Warrior Within and StarCraft 2 The good thing is as a first Generation PC Gamer I happily blame it on consoles and online gaming ( ignoring the fact, that PC opened that box )
I genuinely believe the people saying this just have not played other games. Bl2 and bl as a whole has awful item variation where its just minor stat bonuses, parts rarely changing up the game, and bl2 being one of the worst with clear best in slot parts due to the matching grip and barrel system, totally invalidating any interesting choices and variance, a large number of red text items are just purple's or blue's with slightly better stats, ah yes totally so interesting. The relic system is one of the worst parts of bl2, just entirely passive bonuses with one single relic being the best for 95% of builds in the game, none of the relics providing anything interesting. Legendary classmods are an utter failure being just purples with more skill boosts and rarely ever actually giving an interesting effect which bl3 greatly rectified with coms being potentially build defining. Bl2 has some of the most guns of all games?! That's a blatant lie, bl2 has 141 red text guns, destiny 2 has 847 exotic guns alone. Bl2 build depth is practically non existent with skills being largely just basic passive bonuses to only slightly shape what guns you use, coms and relics dont provide any effects for you to build off of, very few red text weapons actually doing something unique to build with. The story is... so generic, "graaahh this bad guy wants to wipe us out, better go stop him" wow so interesting, so many unique things to think about, bl2 certainly has great character writing, or great voice actors when it comes to handsome jack, but the story is SO bland and so generic, dont pretend its a masterpiece in terms of video game stories
bl3 story is just shoot boss wait for 5hour immunity phase shoot the boss then talk to lilith but i like bl3 balancing ngl but bl2 is just everything above any other bl game i still play it until now try any different mod
why don't they just make a game that's similar to BL2 if it's so much better? they could basically copy paste BL2 with an updated storyline with modifications that allow you to chose loot amounts with more conservative drop rates. the storyline time issue could be solved with higher xp story missions with a couple less of them (we aren't there for the story after the first couple runs) and just a boatload of side missions with lower xp gains? If they want a game to succeed like BL2 they should just make it a similar yet mildly improved version, not a completely new version all together. i truly believe BL3 almost had too great a focus on just making the content so ridiculous even for borderlands to be able to properly grab you. there has to be a viable mix between 'this makes sense, right? lets go with that its close enough to making sense' and 'shoot this guy in the face'.
Before watching this video I strongly disagree. I think this game was great but I definitely don't think it's to good to make a game that could be better. I'll come back to this after the video to update. This video didn't push my opinion, just made me realize gearbox doesn't know how to take there success and realize what they built from to continue it.
The problem is hiring hundreds of programmers to each spend thousands of hours. 15 years ago wages were much cheaper. The amount of time and talent it took to program all the missions and environments in BL2 was staggering.
@@0fficalHellfire I mean I agree that it's the best game they've released in the series. I just believe that gearbox SHOULD be able to produce better if they actually took the feed back that made borderlands 2 so good and built the next game with those details in mind instead of waiting until people stop playing the game to make the changes.
I don't believe BL2 set the bar too high at all. The issue is they didn't capitalize on what made it good in BL3. BL2 is a fun game but its got its issues but instead of gearbox taking those issues and improving them, they decided to completey change things and make them worse. I truly believe that gearbox just got very lucky with BL2. The company doesn't understand what people liked about it and I fear they still haven't which is why my excitement for BL4 is very low. BL2 honestly just feels like a better game when compared to BL3. If BL3 was what people really wanted then people wouldn't be playing BL2 as much as they are now. I really hope Gearbox decides to sell the BL franchise to a company that will give it the love it deserves.
tbh every time i play bl2 i end up going back to 3 within a week. 2 has become outdated. Id also argue the end game and dlc content is better on 3 and I was against it for a long time. DLC 2 ,3,5 are not that good, 2 being the best. Whereas the first 3 dlcs on bl3 are pretty solid entries with dlc4 kinda being a let down content wise. bl4 needs a handsome jack villian or handsome jack himself. Someone chaotic who makes the story far more interesting like presequel was. Presequel the environments and combat zones weighed it down. They hit alot of positive notes with 3, the story arc isnt great but the environments, guns, vault hunters, were all done right.
Honestly for a bl4 villian I would love a villian that’s more of an anti hero like Jason Todd. Maybe someone who was under the care of brick, mordecai, Lilith and Roland but was kidnapped by Jack during the fall of New Haven and grew up wanting revenge and finally puts his plan into action in bl4
BL2 great stroy written and charakter devolopement, bad endgame and chrakter balancing. BL3 improved gameplay aspects and very good endgame far better than BL2 but early game and legendaries are nothing special as well as bad story. I think the combination of both strength is what BL4 has to look like.
Dude ,, just be real with yourself for a bit would you ?! Gun mechanics? BL3 wins Game physics ? BL3 wins Builds variety ? BL3 wins by million years The only main thing that BL2 has over BL3 is the story , other than that you should consider BL3 as good if not better in some aspects ! What holds most of us to BL2 is NOSTALGIA
@@0fficalHellfire actually your videos prove otherwise. Since 90 percent of your content is pretty much gushing for bl2 and if you’re not doing that your gushing at the presequel or bl1, and if you’re not doing that either your taking potshots at bl3. You can make any type of content you want but at some point in your career you’re gonna have to ask yourself “what channel do I wanna be?” If you wanna be a borderlands channel that includes ALL of borderlands. Yes 3 included. If you wanna be a gushing channel and cover a game that hasn’t had developers eyes on it in years then fine. If you wanna take the lowest hanging fruit and just be a hate channel for any looter shooter that’s not bl2 that’s fine too, but it’s coming increasingly clear to me that you’re not much of a borderlands channel. You’re just a UA-camr that covers an old borderlands game and will probably do it till your dying breath no matter what comes out.
Bl2 is my favorite game of all time. This Is my favorite franchise in gaming. I speak my mind & will always give honesty to my viewers. If I really like something, I'll tell you. If I don't like something. I mention it. @@nathanhendrickson790
@@0fficalHellfire yes and you’ve mentioned how much you hate bl3 about 2000 times. And found some very creative ways to tell us. Tell a joke enough times and it goes stale. All I’m saying is one day you’ll have to make a decision on what UA-camr you wanna be. Joltzdude is a borderlands youtuber and while he doesn’t play bl3 he doesn’t make every effort to tell us how much he hates it every video, cause he knows not only will it piss bl3 fans off but it will also annoy the rest of his audience who’s just there to watch him play. So far you’re the only UA-camr I’ve seen who hates borderlands 3 enough to tell us about it every chance he gets and eventually your fans are gonna get sick of it.
@@nathanhendrickson790 I could not care less about bl3 and what fans of it watch. If they don’t watch me, that’s one less stupid comment I have to read.
The bar from borderlands 2 was so high, the lava was rising to try and catch up.
The bar was set so high, Moxxi has stand on a ladder to take orders
Borderlands 3s loot system is like if Christmas morning was every morning. Finding a legendary It loses its lustre after you have to sort through which legendaries you want to keep after every small encounter
One of the realest comments I’ve ever read.
That along with just how much legendary gear is garbage really makes the game not fun for me even if the gunplay itself is superior.
Plus there’s far too many legendaries compared to 2 and presequel.
It got to the point in my playthrough where I felt I wasn’t justly rewarded when a boss didn’t drop a legendary
@@Dinosaurman34 indeed. It feels as if the same amount of gear is good in bl3 as bl2 which shouldnt be the case because theres like over 2x the amount of legendary items.
@@Dinosaurman34 “you beat that boss in dark souls while wearing armor and swinging a big sword? Ugh run invalid filthy casual” vs “no that’s not rewarding you got it too early, run invalid you filthy casual” honestly im not seeing the difference
My expectations are set so low for BL4 that it’s unbelievable
BL2's DLC also has been outstanding. Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep is just spot-on excellent; Torgue and Scarlett are almost as good, Headhunters is also very good, even if I dislike its episodic nature a bit. The way Hammerlock's DLC is set in a caricature of Africa sorta turns me off, but even that DLC has plenty of "Wow!" moments.
Very good point! The DLC’s are soooo much better then that of any other borderlands game
@@0fficalHellfire Exactly! None of them let me down, even if I liked some more than others.
@@theobell2002 Yop. Play all Borderlands games. But BL3 dlc is soo good. I like base Borderlands 2 but dlc there was meh for me.
one other thing is all the glitches. be it a mob sailing off into the sky or trying to clip through walls. ppl are still findind new things in bl2 a decade later.
This is veryyy true, so many things still being discovered or just players having personal experiences that they haven’t seen even after 11 years. I find myself seeing random details that I have never noticed before even now.
the other day I was screwing around behind the caravan after robbing it in the dust, like RIGHT on it's rear with the Technical, pushing against the bumper with the boost when it got to the map exit.....we got "jammed" at the exit because it didn't go through right away and i was still boosting; all of a sudden i heard something like a loud B0re sound and my Technical flew what felt like hundreds of feet into the sky and landed outside the map, I was driving around past the kill boundary out in all the open space to the left of the map exit....haven't been able to do it again but if you try it, i think it has to be the technical, the runner blows up pretty much immediately when you try to boost into the caravan
@@FronzelNeekburm that's insane lol! thanks for sharing
I agree . Gearbox has a road map to success with BL2 . But , Gearbox didn’t do that . Instead , Borderlands has an identity crisis ……. I’m no longer on board with Randy P. I will not preorder another gearbox product after being burnt with Wonderlands
I am curious about Wonderlands, is it basically a "roguelite" Borderlands? Why do you feel burnt about it?
@@FronzelNeekburmit’s probably because the games format + it’s end game
You use the game board map to maneuver between areas and find secrets, but once you clear it all out and explore it all, it serves no purpose anymore but to waste time
And the end game chaos chambers are just plain bad imo. They are not a bad concept but they are short, repetitive, boring and copy pasted. And you HAVE to do them dozens and dozens of times over and over in order to progress deep into the end game. Isn’t nearly as enjoyable as normal BL end games
I enjoyed wonderlands for a short new borderlands experience. I saw it like a dlc. If on offer I would suggest buying it
Great stuff . I love in BL2 that you can see a gun on the floor and know it's good or bad without even looking at the item card also that mission completion box "tick" so you can listen to dialogue or just save quit and get on with your day . Swear BL3's story at launch you spent more time listening/watching & waiting than actually playing in those 20-30 hour playthroughs just ridiculous .
Bl2 will never be topped. It’s so disappointing
Oh it’s been topped. Not by other borderlands games. But it’s been topped multiple times
@@nathanhendrickson790 By? If you say destiny you're out of your mind lol
@@VB2P360 the arkham series, the souls series, titanfall 2, Elden ring, dead cells, risk of rain 2, sekiro, ghosts of Tsushima, warframe, hifi rush, devil may cry I could go on but we’d be here for days. As a looter shooter? Sure it’s one of the best but as an overall game? Sorry buddy there’s a lot of games that top it
@@VB2P360 I’d say helldivers 2 and balders gate 3 but I’ll hold off on that opinion till I actually play them.
@@VB2P360 also I’m assuming you’ve never heard of the phrase never say never. See unless you’ve got a Time Machine or the tardis sitting in your garage there’s no way that can be predicted. Yes I know you didn’t say it but something tells me you agree with the opinion. I’d even go so far as to say you believe it’s fact. Thing is it’s not. It will be topped as a looter shooter eventually leaving you with only two choices. Be a man and give up the childish word, “never” or continue to live in ignorance to your dying breath.
I think the storyline is what set it apart. It's long enough to keep you engaging but short enough that you can finish in a week even at slow pace so you don't get too overwhelmed. It also has the right balancing of the loot pool. The absolute best one are good enough to stand out of the rest but not too good to the point they become the only viable options. I think BL 2 got it right that this is first and foremost an RPG and not an FPS. I heard some people said the gunplay of BL 3 may be better but they lack the RPG elements that BL 2 has.
IT DID!!
I mean they went super extra! This was the first video game I return to after not playing games since the very first Nintendo came out. Borderlands 1 and Borderlands 2 on an Xbox 360. Started playing video games again about 4 years ago and what two games to come into. Playing this EVERYDAY since and STILL learning new play styles and extra sh** to be done. Maybe I'm just biased so far but so far there are still things being discovered on 12-14 year old games. Nuts bro ....nuts. And my one of my favorite content peoples to watch cover the bases on such games. Keep em coming
Hellfire!!
Literally feel sorry for the scrutiny that will fall upon Borderlands 4 writers and developers. They have a high bar to get over.
I totally agree. i cannot get into a game the way i did bl2 i had every trophy every challenge every, everything done could not play enough lol !!!
I honestly agree with this and I’ve been saying it for years. Great video man
Jack has only been brought back *as an antagonist* once, and he was a tertiary antagonist at best, Gearbox isnt "bringing Jack back because they know their new villains wont compare", they just outright *arent* bringing Jack back in the first place and have openly stated they dont want Jack to return as an antagonist
They continue bringing him back because they lack creativity. It’s easier to fall back on what works
@@0fficalHellfire what about 3's base game? what about all of 3's other DLCs (mind you the only appearance he even has in the DLCs is as a pre-recorded hologram)? he doesn't appear in Wonderlands either, although the antagonist in it is loosely inspired by him, if my memory is right he didn't appear in New Tales at all either
if anything 2 was overly reliant on Jack, he appeared as an antagonist in one of the DLCs in the game he already died in *and* is very heavily featured one of the promotional games before 2 released
@@edenengland1883 he’s a hologram in the og tales, the pre sequel, handsome jackpot. And they rereleased the dlc as a standalone which some people actually play💀
@@0fficalHellfire and in the 3's base and all the non Jackpot DLCs, he is mentioned only one single time collectively across all of them, in Wonderlands and it's DLCs, he isn't even mentioned once, in Pre-Sequel, he is an *ally*, in Tales, he is the antagonist for... like 5 seconds at the end of the game and is the 3rd antagonist in the game, and even in Jackpot, he is... a prerecorded message that does not interact with the cast a single time or even appear beyond the first minute of the DLC, that's like saying Roland "got brought back" for Borderlands 3 because there's an inanimate statue of him in the game
quoting you: "The villains haven't gotten much better either, which is exactly why they brought Handsome Jack back so many times", he has been brought back as an antagonist ONCE, and in that game there were multiple other main antagonists, your "point" is literally nonexistent
Mak has always said this. They have no idea why people love bl2 so much. They don’t know why it became successful
Haha that’s funny cause when I mentioned me making this to him, he didn’t agree 🤣
A caveat is required for what I'm about to say, so I love BL2 and have easily over 1000+ hours on it on various consoles but it did not set the bar too high, Gearbox merely consistently fails to hit the bar. Let me explain...
1. The Vault Hunters, while I love the VHs in BL2, it's shown in the pre-sequel that 2K Australia could put magic into characters without re-using similar powersets. BL2's VHs were improved versions of BL1, which makes sense, but Pre-Sequel's kits were so different and unique and fun and, most importantly, balanced concerning each other. A Jack was just as welcome on the team as Aurelia or an Athena. Meanwhile, BL2 devolved into 4 Sals running around with DPUHs and Grogs. Every other character felt weak since the game was being balanced around a broken build forcing everyone to adopt the most META build they had access to even if it was a pain to set up like Max Anarchy Gaige or Sniper Assention Zer0. Not to mention Pre-sequel VHs all had healing built into their kits! Reducing the need to take up a gun slot on a Moxxie gun, and everyone had great sustain while others who did less damage had better sustain.
2. The guns, BL2 has some awesome guns but it always has the most toy-feeling guns in the entire franchise. A lot of non-Jacobs guns sound like peashooters with low impact even when they melt enemies. I replayed BL1 not too long ago and the guns genuinely feel more fun to me, mind you I play exclusively on consoles so it's not like I have an overhaul mod for the combat if such a thing even exists. The guns are weighty, the sounds are crunchy and the the whole Borderlands aesthetic is matched a lot better, a desolate lawless wasteland where guns that melt people's faces off were handcrafted by the psychos usin'em. When I think about BL2, people praise a handful of guns like the Harold or the Pimpernell, maybe the Sandhawk but any gun I find in BL1 on the floor has a chance to feel awesome. Not to mention the randomness of parts was amazing. I will never forget the perfect Lv34 Firehawk I found on a solo Lilith playthrough that did so much damage that when I got to Lv69 and found other Firehawks my Lv34 gun was out DPSing them. It was always exciting to look through gear in BL1 while BL2 is more about rushing to endgame to farm items one at a time and I'd prefer a system where both are possible.
3. The story, BL2's story was goated of course but the Pre-sequel and Tales 1 showed that you can have strong character writing in a goofy hellish world like Borderlands. Pre-sequel added characters responding to the people chatting to you through the Echonet while not being obnoxiously written or being on comms all the time like BL3. Fiona is probably my favorite protagonist in the franchise despite having more than 600+ hours on Maya because she's so well-written. Pre-sequel had a lot of moments that dragged out a lot but seeing Jack turn and pose the question if he's in the wrong was great and I, to this day still see Lilith as more of a villain than Jack ever was. This makes me hate BL3 even more as the game is written like the Pre-sequel never happened and wants us to think Lilith and Moxxie are amazing human beings.
4. The Raid Bosses, so if you read this far it probably sounds like I'm a massive Pre-sequel simp and you're not wrong. While the Pre-sequel only had the Emperyan Sentinel and EOS they were both brutal yet fair fights that were manageable on Solo without being a top 1% player. To this day I haven't killed Vermi because that fuck refuses to spawn for me and Raid Bosses like Voracidous require gear to kill him that HE DROPS! BL2 might have more raid bosses but man I hate over half of the fights and most aren't even worth doing as they have bum ass gear. Ignoring the raid part of the section BL2 has some bad normal bosses too. Whoever designed Badassasauress deserves to have a pinky cut-off. Never had any issues with bosses in BL1 while the Pre-sequel does have a handful of stinkers like Bouncepad man, that dude can stonewall a playthrough if you didn't go into TVHM with gear that can kill him quickly because that shock damage is insane past Lv10.
Ultimately, I love BL2 but it is not perfect, not even close. Not being on PC and being able to nab someone else's save file or use gibbed save editor means builds like Melee Zero or Accention Zero are impossible for me to play with no way to farm a bladed Grog or that Lv7 purple sniper to build stacks. Getting a fresh VH from Lv51 to Lv70+ is still a massive pain as you have to get far enough in the game to farm legendaries every other level because only a handful of blues can do anything to enemies with 4x HP with regen turned on.
BL2 didn't set the bar too high, Gearbox just isn't the team they used to be.
I think parts also play a huge roll for example let's you're farming for a harold and boom matching parts DPUH it makes your day
Also knowing the little details makes me geek out
7:26 sorry and ik this irrelevant, but as someone who enjoys crackdown i can't NOT mention this song lol
Absolutely goated game. I’ve had a couple ask what the song was but never anyone who knew. Classic for me personally 👍💪
@@0fficalHellfire yeah man, used to be one of my most played demos back on the 360; crackdown 1 and 2 respectively
@@tyon4187 same, just like bl3. Crackdown 3 also shit the bed unfortunately
@@0fficalHellfire it's funny you mention that, because i tried the 3rd game after some thought and i gotta say, it wasn't all that bad and was kinda fun
my only and MAJOR gripe with the game has to be the story, since it feels kind of boring and bland
Yes, obviously BL2 has the best story, but I think BL: TPS, as you said is solid, and I’d dare argue, very nearly on par with BL2’s. It’s a coherent, detailed narrative of Jack’s rise to becoming the “Handsome” new CEO of Hyperion after he ( *SPOILERS:* ) strangles Mr. Tassiter in the epilogue cutscene of the game.
If only it had more dlcs 😢
@@willianmagnoni112 Yeah, but 2K Australia released a pretty broken and buggy game at launch. If not for that launch, we probably would’ve gotten _Luxy’s Space Adventure_ and the 2 other planned story DLCs.
I've gone back to BL2 recently and the fact I've only gotten two legendary items on the first kill is so nice to see compared to BL3 where during leveling you got so many it was pointless to check anything not blue minimum because there was no point because gear was tossed out too freely
Yep, how can you top Borderlands 2 regarding FPS? I've been playing it for years and have yet to even play all the missions. Sometimes I just look at the scenes they created and, as a game making hobbyist using the Godot game Engine, I marvel at all the work that went into it. Simply amazing.
love that he's using tk's wave in this vid too lol, solid takes here
I had too :( it never gets any love. Screw the lady fist 🤣 it’s normal mode haha
One thing i have to say about borderlands 2’s loot that bl3 actually fixed is the heavy meta, in bl2 every single build was bee hawk, bee conference call, or dpuh. Bl3, at least without arms race, is much more varried in available weaponry that you can do endgame content with. Yeah the pearl and revolter meta is strong, but you can get by without it
i feel like it would be a worthwhile reward that if you are on UVHM and beat the story you get multiple free level ups. the xp farm from 50 to 80 is quite arduous. to 72 was rough back then but 80 is exhausting
borderlands 2 is the best ever game in the franchise to come out, period. i got hooked to this style of game, and game play in borderlands 1. part 2 blew my mind and is way better than anything since. your analysis is spot on, creators need to make part 4 like part 2. im sure im not the only player thats returned to borderlands 2 over and over and over X10. awesome content hellfire. thanks
While pondering on the subject I finally came to realize one of my biggest disappointments with the franchise. In the age we are currently living in where it seems like all creative freedom is being muzzled by those looking to censor any and all themes deemed by them to be too offensive in order to appeal to the widest, and as a consequence, the blandest kind of audience I guess I really believed that borderlands would be one of the few left that would stay true and free from this strange form or oppression. The moment I saw my first midget and noticed the name above the health bar saying “tink” or whatever stupid shit they call them now, a small part of me died on the inside because that’s when I knew without a doubt that they had won. I know it may seem like a petty example but it’s all of the little things that add up that tell me that they aren’t the borderlands that I grew up loving, the borderlands that wasn’t afraid to push the envelope. Now they are something too scared to say something actually funny when there is a chance it could be at the expense of some softy’s feelings. Whats truly petty is having the need to ruin the harmless fun that others are having because you are projecting your own insecurities you have about yourself to whatever it is others are having a laugh about. An example of this would be like if you got upset at someone for making fun of fat people, those people aren’t hurting you, what is hurting is the inadequacy that you feel for yourself because of your weight. At the end of the day you have no one to blame for the way you feel about yourself then your own self. I’ll end there before getting too off topic because the people that need to hear that won’t be listening. Live life with no room in your heart for anything but love and god bless us all.
Awesome comment, very well said. They’re to scared to do anything anymore :(
It shows just how good this formula is, and how disappointing it is that the devs didn't follow it in their other titles. I'm honestly just left wondering why tf they haven't stuck with it.
What would you rather they go the naughty dog route and give you a prettier bl2 every 2 years like they do with the last of us?
@@nathanhendrickson790 No? I want a not cringe story, dedicated loot drops on release, and a real bad guy that i want to kill. Because i hate them, not that i find them annoying. Also side note if they had been doing that, it still would have probably been better than borderlands 3 imo.
@@Code_6_Beluga not really. All those glitches that hellfire gushes about would be gone. Boring bunker would probably be gone Salvador would be the least used character and yall would be hating on 2 like you would on 3
@@nathanhendrickson790 No, because their would still decicated loot drops and a story i wouldnt hate so much, i wouldnt want to start any new characters. Also i never talked about any glitches, i already find sal boring asf so i wouldnt care. Also i doubt boring bunker would be gone, overlapping hitboxes from his gun turrets are enough to kill him lmao.
great video bro, really good points aswell they really did set the bar too high and ever since bl2 we haven't seen anything like it... i never understood why they got rid of dedicated loot drops/farming on the recent game releases it's a looter shooter how can you get rid of the main things that make ur game a "looter shooter"🤣💀
Thank you :) and I knowwww man. Idk wtf they’re thinking
One thing that I personally think that BL 2 got right, and that sets it apart from other games, is how politically incorrect it is. Think about it... The midgets. They are strapped on shields, they are confined to small boxes and are hated by nomads. Goliaths... Making fun of people with mental disorders is always risky. Dr. Zed and Marcus... Totally free of any scruples whatsoever. I could go on and on. From what little I have seen of BL 3, it's been very mainstreamed compared to BL 2, and that's the reason why I will probably never play it.
Being a midget doesn’t have anything to do with mental disorders lol, and this was over 10 years ago when it was still okay to do that
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@@iCHRIS-x Coming out of the closet is difficult, from what I hear, but this is hardly the time or place to publicly announce your sexual preferences. In any case... I'm not interested!
@@ronnierayburn998 gay ass comment
I see good and bad. In every game but goddamn they did gauge dirty in bl3
This is a steaming hot take coming from me: Borderlands three is literally only struggling in story
I just gotta be lucky hitting at least 2-3 minute mark 😂
Back when Bl2 was made we didn't have woke ideology spoiling all forms of media
it really didnt set the bar too high. the writing was just good with the addition of the gameplay being fun. if they kept the same writer and vibe it would have been fine (in bl3)
Take me back to the BL2 release day. Thousands of hours poured into BL2, never got bored because the replay value was just so damn good. 12 years later and the game is still extremely relevant. BL4 won’t stand a chance unfortunately.
…. You know there’s an old saying. Longing for the past only takes your focus away from the future. Bl4 could be bad or it could actually top 2. That’s the beauty of the future it’s unknown. And unless you have the back to the future car in your garage I wouldn’t try to pass off “bl4 will fail” as fact if I were you. It just makes you look ignorant and gives you the image of a fanboy. No one trusts fanboys cause you’d buy cocaine if whoever you’re fanboying over is selling it and you’ll overdose on it with a smile on your face.
@@nathanhendrickson790 Dang, passive aggressive much kid? You’re clearly freaking insane and have a loose screw in your head. You went to talking about drugs, clearly way off topic. You must be one of the stupid work devs at gearbox that got hired. Clearly you haven’t been keeping up with past games that came out after BL2, they’ve been bad. Player base is gone, and yes BL4 could be good or bad, that’s the only logical thing you mentioned In that comment of yours. You’re reading too much into it, go put your phone down and relax. You sound like a less than dirt human being right now kid. (waiting for your smart a$$ reply!)
@@nathanhendrickson790Dang, passive aggressive much? You’re clearly insane and went way off topic by talking about drugs and death? You definitely have a loose screw in your head or something kid. You’re probably one of the stupid woke devs at gearbox. Not sure if you’ve been following the games that came out after BL2, but they’ve been bad. The player base is gone for the most part. Yes, BL4 can be bad or good, that’s the only logical thing you said in your comment. You’re sounding like a less than dirt human right now kid. (Waiting for your smart a$$ keyboard warrior reply!) hahahaha😂
@@nathanhendrickson790 And you’re a BL3 fAnBoY! Go take your own advice and take your own advice and leave this earth with a smile on your face too fanboy hahahaha you poor sap
What happened to your comment? You were talking like a big dog a second ago? What happened did your balls fall off?
I will be expecting Borderlands 5,6,7,8,9 and 10 soon.
Games are very lucky to have me replaying them a lot but bl2 is just ONE OF THOSE GAMES that has me comin back to replay them at least 1 or 2 times a year 😂 it never gets old
The watcher was never used except in those monoliths that she speaks. Also she said war is coming you will need all the vault hunters you can get. Me okay we can use more than just 4 in the beginning welp.
I don’t mind characters dying but dam that cliche where previous main character says to protege don’t follow stay here where it’s safe and protege nah imma follow so you die in the dumbest way possible. Also me main character just stands their watching other characters die because plot
No seraphs or pearlescent or efferecent
The areas where just to big took forever to get anywhere made exploring a drag would’ve prefer medium to small maps where a car isn’t necessary but here it’s a must
Also, the writing! It's really solid...
Cant say I agree, bl2 is a solid 5/10 for me and a ton of the negatives are often overlooked even if there are more of them than the positives.
I respect the opinion but I’d say the positives far outweigh the negatives of later titles and the big negatives of bl2 are 2 raid bosses being broke at op10. Multiplayer rubber banding. (Which is every borderlands game ever) gearbox sucks at multiplayer connection. A lot of the glitches are what has made the game so popular. Sal is literally a walking glitch, Gaige gets her best skill by level 6💀 I mean it’s not a perfect game.
But in terms of the borderlands franchise. In my eyes, it set the bar exceptionally high and they’ve never come close to reaching it.
@@0fficalHellfire Loot pools were broken for 3 years or more. Maya was a meme for the first half of the games life span with cloud kill, tons of the raid bosses were untouchable to the casual community. Only a handful of patches came to the game on PC, and console saw less than half of that.
Its a coding mess due to it being outsourced to multiple different companies. Big reason it will be near impossible to remaster.
It won’t be remastered because this game was an accident. Trying to fix sals offhand or nerfing anarchy would piss people off. Yeah you’re right about it being superrr broken for years but we’re talking about today. The loot pools have been fixed since 2015. Almost a decade ago at this point. Borderlands 3 would lock there best weapons behind dlc (cough cough mega cannon) then nerf it 30 days after so no one could refund after they bought the dlc for that gun.
It’s the weird half baked live service approach borderlands 3 took and that the rest of the franchise seems to be headed that makes me think they’ll never do better then bl2. Like I said, it’s not a perfect video game. But it’s still my favorite
@0fficalHellfire If bl2 released in this day and age with those bugs and problems, it would be crucified on arrival. Back then, we had bl2 or bl1 to play and of course bl2 is going to be superior to it.
But that's not to say later titles were better. Personally TPS was nearly the perfect game. Just missed the last 2 dlc and a few patches. Sadly Australia had a bad time in the game dev field, 2k Australia was the last company to go under actually.
@@0fficalHellfire unless you’ve got the back to future car hiding in your garage I wouldn’t use the words never if I were you. What if when it does come out and it does indeed top bl2 in ever way? Will you eat your words and say you’re wrong? Or will you become a fanboy and defend this game preaching to everybody with a set of ears on why they should play 2 instead of 4 and die on that hill? That’s the beauty of future kid. It can’t be predicted.
Do you know if kriegs kill skill bloodbath is multiplicative or additive?
Multiplicative
Thank you I looked everywhere and couldn't find anything on it
They need to just make a remake that is also a remix of BL2 where they add a 4th skill tree to everyone, add more skills to the existing trees (including adding more Action Skills like in BL3 and Augments), bring it up to the BL3 graphical standard, add more items (like adding weapons to the headhunter bosses or even adding stuff from BL1, BLTPS and BL3) and they'll have an amazing jumping off point where they could make NEW expansions for it and people would eat that up and we'd all be happy. Could even add the slamming from BLTPS, the machine you could exchange weapons at (Don't need to add Luneshine itself, it's the same issue Anointments have), etc.
Side Note: Anointments could easily be fixed by making it so you get the Anointment as a separate item and you apply it to the item you want the effect on.
I don't agree, but I appreciate this opinion
Because its a masterpiece in the series top quality
BL2 busted a hole through the Ceiling and went into the stratosphere that's how high it set the bar XD.
@Hellfire
What's the name of the song at the end of the last 10-15 seconds?
You nailed it right on the head... high bar. The story and loot affixes (ASE ect) in BL3 is what made it less fun.
Borderlands 2, Pre-Sequel and Tales are to this day some of my favorite games of all time, with 2 being the absolute peak. Wish Gearbox would actually hire competent writers and go back to pacing their games correctly so they can make another amazing game but doesn't look like that's happening anytime soon.
I don't think it set the bar way too high, I just think gearbox will never allow themselves to make something that great again because of their ego
The saddest part is - is that with BL3's game play it just need to as good as BL2 inorder to surpass it but gear box couldn't even match the quality of a 10 year old game.
The citizen kane of gaming
I blame Randy
We all do
Hey Hellfire
I think that all the borderlands games have something special to them like bl1 is the foundation, bl2 has the story borderlands the preseqoul was space, bl3 got the gun play, tales from the borderlands was fun and wonderlands was bl3 but with a better story.
JUST PERFECT!
OH MY GOD I'M ON FIRE
You might want an extinguisher 🧯 my friend
I SMELL DELICIOUS
Bl2 ,Presequel and Tales from the Borderlanda are peak of the franchise.3 was cool too and although I had lot of fun with this game the story and climat lack something
whats the name of that shotgun you are using that fires bullets horizontaly?
the tk's wave
Ok maybe time to reload BL2 back up. Ive been playing alot of BL1 last year. I found if i do every single mission and fight everything on forst playthru. I get as high as level as possible then on 2nd playthru only do game mission to beat game. Then all the stuff to do is hard the rest of 2nd playthru and very challenging
I have high hopes borderlands 4 will be like borderlands 2 but better I've seen game developers turn right around and surprise
That’s why i just usually have my bar disabled 🤓
While i personally love Borderlands 3, and i do think that it did a lot of things better than BL2(apart from the story), and it's really hard for me to go back to it after BL3, i do agree: 3 and Wonderlands unfortunately weren't able to recapture that same magic, and even if Borderlands 4(or however it's going to be called) ends up being a great game, it would still be considered inferior to BL2.
if making a good game and listening the the community was setting the bar too high, we are cooked as gamers
Using the tidal wave? Why? 😂😂😂
It’s fun 😂 matching parts and it’s basically a shotgun sand hawk
It would be hard to recreate the magic without the same team. Im pretty sure that most of the people who made BL2 the game we love arent there anymore and the CEO is way too much in bed with the Hollyweird-like crowd.
He fires people that disagree with him too so that certainly doesn't help.
BL2 can be a pain in the ass sometimes but I find myself running back to it if I need my BL fix! I've been so disappointed with the games after TPS that I'm no where near excited about a BL4! I definitely don't care or want another Wonderlands or Tales Of.
I'm big borderlands 2 fan but I was suck on a game bug ever went back. I use up all money and sell 99% of my guns just to get more Ammo and sill can't kill the boss
You need to respec your character. Your dps should be higher than that
Hey man thanks for the content you've put out in the past. I wish you still did playthroughs and whatnot. Just some feedback I used to be a subscriber but the videos became real infrequent and the last like 5 or so videos feel like they are all just "BL2 is the best" and that's it. To clarify BL2 is my all time favorite video game but now these videos feel like the same thing over and over. Hope you find some great content for the future... Of all the BL youtubers personality-wise I enjoyed your stuff more than even Joltz or K6 but alas I guess we as BL fans don't have too much new Gearbox content to work with anyway.
I’ve been trying to nail this point down because it’s not only an amazing game but gearbox needs to get an entire team to study this one to see why we loved it so much. But Hey man, I appreciate that. I’ve put up 2 funny moments type videos lately. They’re just not titled that way. One Called “Borderlands 2 Is Still Fun” and the one called the Christmas cobra.
I shoot for at least 2 videos a week. One every Friday and Sunday. :)
Thanks for the response man. That video you did with your girlfriend was pretty funny don't really see many BL youtubers do stuff like that
Borderlands 2 have one problem TVHM. Hate to use slag and specific builds for it. Also you need to make 3 full story run (or 2 if you have Comander Lilith dlc). In BL3 I now that I will just play 4 story modes if I want to make all char lv 72. But in BL2 its just too much for me. Loved BL2 to death but BL3 is just more fun. (for me).
You don't need slag for TVHM. It's harder than normal mode, yes. But you can get by using weapons normally. UVHM on the other hand is stupid. I absolutely refuse to touch it,
Leveling up is both great and terrible. When you're playing at launch it's great to cap out, get settled, and then get some dlc with a new cap. But now, you gotta get from 1 to 80 with no breaks. You never feel settled and it all feels temporary until you cap.
It just needs s small tweak. If you beat normal you should be level capped at 32 or whatever until you start tvhm, and capped again at 50 until you start uvhm (or just have a toggle to start the new cap when ready). It sucks to beat tvhm and want to farm up a build but now you're 56 with lvl 50 guns going against level scaled enemies. Just let me marinate a bit at 50 ffs.
It takes me 12h to complete normal mode😭
It's not that it set the bar too high it's more like Gearbox didn't want to reach that high up so the purposely fell short.
Fair point
Set the bar so high it killed one of the best chances of a true 2nd bl2... the pre sequel 😢😢😢
I farm the worr for over a hour and never got a legendary
Wait borderlands only sold 6 copies. Also borderlands 2 definitely set the bar too high it was the first game I got seriously into before then I was a casual gamer and it’s still my main game
6 million
@@0fficalHellfireyou responded to that faster than any UA-camr I’ve ever seen thats amazing
I played through BL3 twice and then got frustrated with the whole ‘anointed’ aspect of weapons and enemies. Instead of being fun, BL3 became a chore.
The Calypso Twins just didn’t seem all that interesting and I didn’t look forward to any interactions with them leading up to their boss fights.
18 year old Tina just didn’t capture the manic, high energy magic the pre teen version brought to the game.
And, Claptrap wasn’t Claptrap anymore.
I haven’t tried Wonderlands because it just doesn’t excite me. Most reviews I’ve seen are rather lukewarm.
BL2 had a wicked sense of humor and Handsome Jack was just brilliant.
Just give us a borderlands 2 next gen remaster
Just finished BL3, got it on sale last month. The story could have been so much better (calypso twins themselves actually wouldn't have been bad starter villains). The biggest problem to me is how little interaction the player has with affecting the outcome of the story. Half the time you're there watching stupid shit happen instead of idk preventing the villain from doing villainous things. Don't even get me started on how they act like Ava, Tannis, and Lilith are the ones who saved the galaxy. The DLCs were pretty good tho.
I do prefer the fluidity of movement in BL3, it feels good. Legendaries seem to be a bit too common for my liking but eh. I don't think it's impossible to surpass Borderlands 2 but it will be VERY difficult and I don't have a ton of faith they'll pull it off.
Youre right, BL3 was too busy kissing Lilith's feet while simultaneously trying to prop up her, Ava and Tannis as the past, present and future heroes of the franchise that literally every other character suffered for it (except Wainright Jakobs).
I'm glad that you played it recently and not at launch so you got to avoid the clusterfuck BL3 was at launch and the following 6 months that was a constant barrage of "fixes" the game had that nerfed good gear and skills while ignoring others that underperformed. The poorly planned loot system that had about 86% of the intial legendary gear world drop instead of specific sources. The attempt at live service where they trickled out mostly disliked small events (but to be fair, 2 very good ones), and level caps in 3's and 4's instead of the traditional 10/11.
@@GreenDinoRanger I can't even imagine how broken the game must have been at launch. Even now there's more crashes that I get now than I ever remember from the first two games.
As for the story, I remember early on feeling that something wasn't quite right and this game is somehow "different" from the feeling I got from 1 & 2. It's quite true about the Lilith part. I actually fired up Borderlands 1 and the enhanced today and if you look at her original character design she seemed rather reserved. Granted BL2 brought more of her personality out but it wasn't "girl power" agenda driven. And actually as far as Ava goes I wasn't bothered that much by her until they just gave her all of maya's powers without fucking earning it.
I don't know who made all of these narrative decisions (I doubt it was just ol Pitchford) but if they don't severely rethink the route they are taking the franchise BL3 might be my last. It sucks because the world of Borderlands has so much potential but they're fucking it up so badly.
Whew rant over 😅
@ShadowSnowLeopard95
Surprisingly, there wasn't too many major bugs in BL3's launch. Only Killawatt's arena doing about 100 times more damage than it should, so you had to be overleveled to have enough health to live through the damage. Troy's orbs were the other ones that did like 4000 times the damage they were supposed to, but only in off-line mode. Everything else is mainly due to Gearbox's never-ending tinkering that they did afterwards.
As for te narrative decisions (strap in, this is gonna be a rant) were ultimately approved by Randy Varnell, the head writer and creator of Ava. I saw his interview on The Borderlands Show a couple of months after BL3 launched, and the dude was very clearly a hardcore Lilith simp. That's why she no longer had that crippling eridium addiction that she had all throughout BL2, why all her flaws were phased out (no pun intended) and why she became Pandora's hero and everyone only spoke of her taking down Handsome Jack with no acknowledgement to the second gen vault hunters.
In the interview (this is slightly paraphrased), Lilith wanting our help was supposed to "make the player feel important because Lilith is so powerful and important." It's this sentence that makes me think he was the reason we had to talk to Lilith 3 times a mission.
Ava was supposed to be this tragic character because her diary was read aloud. Not the contents of the diary itself, just that her secret thoughts were exposed, and that people who don't like Ava "just didn't play all of her side missions."
I can only assume that Ava got everything because she basically had the same character arc as Lilith but done worse. Cocky, overconfident idiot who gets someone they love killed because they refused to stay away from place they shouldn't have gone, is present for death of villain and inherits control of Sanctuary and Crimson Raiders. Apparently, only a siren can be commander, and Tannis is too wacky to be in charge.
Youre bold for using the wave lol
It’s actually not to bad, since it was just normal mode especially. No need to get a fist 😅
I feel like Borderlands 2's story wasnt as good as people hype it up. Many parallels people give BL3 shit for in its story is present in BL2 as well; Just cause Jack is arguably the best villain in gaming period doesn't mean the story he's in is automatically good
That’s what I keep saying. Replace jack with literally anybody and the story would be as lackluster or at best not much better than bl1
It was kind of criminal what BL3 did to the BL2 vault hunters. Maya is dead. Axton and Sal turned from badasses to corny gameshow hosts. Gaige, a genius kid who built a killer robot, has become a wedding planner. Zer0 was kind of okay, but effectively being a company man seems out of character. Krieg was fine and had some good character development.
I don't think they set the bar too high. I think they just made a masterpiece of a game that will live forever. I won't buy BL4. Currently farming hyperious with a lvl 66 Sal. Need an evolution for the dragons. Long live BL2!
Theyre trying to kill the legacy of bl2 with that stupid level increase so people leave and buy the new games
:(
Yeah progression in 2 sucked. However they shot themselves in the foot long before bl3 came out when they raised the cap to level 72. In my opinion the xp grind should’ve been over by level 50.
Bl3 story had potential but the whole leaching the the moon thing was stupid. ecept for AVA, i like the chacacters of BL3 like Penn and Teller Typhone De Leon, Reece, Lauralie, Waynright Jackobs, and Clay was one of the best characters of all the franchises. Id like to see a content creator maybe do a map comparison of BL2 and Bl3 as well. Weapons and RElics are far superior in BL3 and there is way better farming in BL3. In Bl2 you can farm the warrior for days and not get a legendary. Things in BL4 they need to fix
1. Goliaths - the goliaths suck in BL3 they need to chase after you and threaten to choke you with your own intestines
2. Midgits no more tinks brink back midgits and their nomads
3. Fix the anoited eniemies they are anyoing
4. vehicles- fix the vehicles so you don't get one shot and have the vehicle station remember your skin ect. Add farmable vehicle armor and special weapons.
5. make the story more believeble and more R rated than PG maybe add some adult content
I’m gonna need to hear what your idea of rated r content for this game should be. Cause if you’re talking about cringeworthy, random, and flat out uncomfortable sex scenes imma have to give it a hard no. Naughty dog pulled that stunt and it did not go well with anybody.
Bl2 didn’t set the bar too high, it was just made in a time when gearbox gave a damn about the narrative and endgame imo.
For me bl3 is better in nearly every way apart from the writing and characters,though good luck topping handsome jack as a villain
Man, the loot system in b2 sucks. It's easier to find a orange than a purple.
Honestly, I do not think that borderlands 2 set the bar too high. I think the gaming industry is just falling short as a whole. Like I'm bored of games. Like I can barely bring myself to play games for more than 30 minutes without hanging out with my buddies. And then when they're not on I'm not on playing games for 90% of the day I want to say. Why don't you take your shots at borderlands 3 I genuinely believe it was actually a really good game and I love the amount of legendaries I love the vault hunters I love some of the characters like clay and we get to meet Wainwright Jacobs and the DLCs were really damn good. The biggest issue with that damn game is the Calypso twins. Oh my God, I've never felt so bored by a villain in a game. And before anybody replies yes I am in fact counting Ava as a part of the description of the worst part of borderlands 3 is in fact the calypso twins. Because it was not really super prudent in the game right now and the next game will determine whether or not she is the cancer that a lot of us are leaning towards but she got my account which immediately put her in the category of needing to be gone from the game. Then she blames Louis for getting miyah killed. When it was her that did it. And then the just super entitled tantrum attitude she has is just bad. But and I say this as heavily as I can but, can you really say she's more cringey than two people trying to be social media influencers and acting like absolute douchebags and just saying the most cringe tik Tok social media garbage that comes to their mind while actively making people fall asleep?
I think you can compare Handsome Jack and Borderlands to the MCU and Loki here.
It peaked at Avengers, in Story Telling and with the Villain.
So they brought him back until he feels just like a normal Dude, similiar as how you sometimes in an RPG you get a Boss as a Player Character and the dude is just not the same.
No further point, I was just watching your Video while thinking of finishing the Second Season of Loki and not feeling Motivated.
As for Sequels or Franchises ... I no longer feel any hype for any of them.
That Horse died somewhere between Prince of Persia - Warrior Within and StarCraft 2
The good thing is as a first Generation PC Gamer I happily blame it on consoles and online gaming ( ignoring the fact, that PC opened that box )
easy solution: bl2 remaster graphics overhaul
I genuinely believe the people saying this just have not played other games.
Bl2 and bl as a whole has awful item variation where its just minor stat bonuses, parts rarely changing up the game, and bl2 being one of the worst with clear best in slot parts due to the matching grip and barrel system, totally invalidating any interesting choices and variance, a large number of red text items are just purple's or blue's with slightly better stats, ah yes totally so interesting.
The relic system is one of the worst parts of bl2, just entirely passive bonuses with one single relic being the best for 95% of builds in the game, none of the relics providing anything interesting.
Legendary classmods are an utter failure being just purples with more skill boosts and rarely ever actually giving an interesting effect which bl3 greatly rectified with coms being potentially build defining.
Bl2 has some of the most guns of all games?! That's a blatant lie, bl2 has 141 red text guns, destiny 2 has 847 exotic guns alone.
Bl2 build depth is practically non existent with skills being largely just basic passive bonuses to only slightly shape what guns you use, coms and relics dont provide any effects for you to build off of, very few red text weapons actually doing something unique to build with.
The story is... so generic, "graaahh this bad guy wants to wipe us out, better go stop him" wow so interesting, so many unique things to think about, bl2 certainly has great character writing, or great voice actors when it comes to handsome jack, but the story is SO bland and so generic, dont pretend its a masterpiece in terms of video game stories
bl3 story is just shoot boss wait for 5hour immunity phase shoot the boss then talk to lilith but i like bl3 balancing ngl
but bl2 is just everything above any other bl game i still play it until now try any different mod
why don't they just make a game that's similar to BL2 if it's so much better? they could basically copy paste BL2 with an updated storyline with modifications that allow you to chose loot amounts with more conservative drop rates. the storyline time issue could be solved with higher xp story missions with a couple less of them (we aren't there for the story after the first couple runs) and just a boatload of side missions with lower xp gains? If they want a game to succeed like BL2 they should just make it a similar yet mildly improved version, not a completely new version all together.
i truly believe BL3 almost had too great a focus on just making the content so ridiculous even for borderlands to be able to properly grab you. there has to be a viable mix between 'this makes sense, right? lets go with that its close enough to making sense' and 'shoot this guy in the face'.
Before watching this video I strongly disagree. I think this game was great but I definitely don't think it's to good to make a game that could be better. I'll come back to this after the video to update. This video didn't push my opinion, just made me realize gearbox doesn't know how to take there success and realize what they built from to continue it.
I respect that. From your update though, it does sound like you agree 💀
The problem is hiring hundreds of programmers to each spend thousands of hours. 15 years ago wages were much cheaper. The amount of time and talent it took to program all the missions and environments in BL2 was staggering.
@@0fficalHellfire I mean I agree that it's the best game they've released in the series. I just believe that gearbox SHOULD be able to produce better if they actually took the feed back that made borderlands 2 so good and built the next game with those details in mind instead of waiting until people stop playing the game to make the changes.
Nah, BL2 should be the standard for looter shooters.
Just remake borderlands 2 at this point
I don’t think they will unfortunately
I don't believe BL2 set the bar too high at all. The issue is they didn't capitalize on what made it good in BL3. BL2 is a fun game but its got its issues but instead of gearbox taking those issues and improving them, they decided to completey change things and make them worse.
I truly believe that gearbox just got very lucky with BL2. The company doesn't understand what people liked about it and I fear they still haven't which is why my excitement for BL4 is very low.
BL2 honestly just feels like a better game when compared to BL3. If BL3 was what people really wanted then people wouldn't be playing BL2 as much as they are now. I really hope Gearbox decides to sell the BL franchise to a company that will give it the love it deserves.
I liked 1 more
tbh every time i play bl2 i end up going back to 3 within a week. 2 has become outdated. Id also argue the end game and dlc content is better on 3 and I was against it for a long time. DLC 2 ,3,5 are not that good, 2 being the best. Whereas the first 3 dlcs on bl3 are pretty solid entries with dlc4 kinda being a let down content wise.
bl4 needs a handsome jack villian or handsome jack himself. Someone chaotic who makes the story far more interesting like presequel was. Presequel the environments and combat zones weighed it down.
They hit alot of positive notes with 3, the story arc isnt great but the environments, guns, vault hunters, were all done right.
Honestly for a bl4 villian I would love a villian that’s more of an anti hero like Jason Todd. Maybe someone who was under the care of brick, mordecai, Lilith and Roland but was kidnapped by Jack during the fall of New Haven and grew up wanting revenge and finally puts his plan into action in bl4
BL2 great stroy written and charakter devolopement, bad endgame and chrakter balancing. BL3 improved gameplay aspects and very good endgame far better than BL2 but early game and legendaries are nothing special as well as bad story. I think the combination of both strength is what BL4 has to look like.
Dude ,, just be real with yourself for a bit would you ?!
Gun mechanics? BL3 wins
Game physics ? BL3 wins
Builds variety ? BL3 wins by million years
The only main thing that BL2 has over BL3 is the story , other than that you should consider BL3 as good if not better in some aspects !
What holds most of us to BL2 is NOSTALGIA
I disagree
@@0fficalHellfire actually your videos prove otherwise. Since 90 percent of your content is pretty much gushing for bl2 and if you’re not doing that your gushing at the presequel or bl1, and if you’re not doing that either your taking potshots at bl3. You can make any type of content you want but at some point in your career you’re gonna have to ask yourself “what channel do I wanna be?” If you wanna be a borderlands channel that includes ALL of borderlands. Yes 3 included. If you wanna be a gushing channel and cover a game that hasn’t had developers eyes on it in years then fine. If you wanna take the lowest hanging fruit and just be a hate channel for any looter shooter that’s not bl2 that’s fine too, but it’s coming increasingly clear to me that you’re not much of a borderlands channel. You’re just a UA-camr that covers an old borderlands game and will probably do it till your dying breath no matter what comes out.
Bl2 is my favorite game of all time. This Is my favorite franchise in gaming. I speak my mind & will always give honesty to my viewers. If I really like something, I'll tell you. If I don't like something. I mention it. @@nathanhendrickson790
@@0fficalHellfire yes and you’ve mentioned how much you hate bl3 about 2000 times. And found some very creative ways to tell us. Tell a joke enough times and it goes stale. All I’m saying is one day you’ll have to make a decision on what UA-camr you wanna be. Joltzdude is a borderlands youtuber and while he doesn’t play bl3 he doesn’t make every effort to tell us how much he hates it every video, cause he knows not only will it piss bl3 fans off but it will also annoy the rest of his audience who’s just there to watch him play. So far you’re the only UA-camr I’ve seen who hates borderlands 3 enough to tell us about it every chance he gets and eventually your fans are gonna get sick of it.
@@nathanhendrickson790 I could not care less about bl3 and what fans of it watch. If they don’t watch me, that’s one less stupid comment I have to read.