Tyranids is definitely the scariest faction for me. Such a huge swarm can be so calculated, all converging on the defenses first, literally throwing their bodies into the gun barrels to disable them. And once they have no means to defend themselves, it's feeding time.
One thing to consider with how Tyranids can be all over the place without the Imperium knowing is that they don't travel through the warp. While they can move faster than light its still a very slow process compared to all the other factions. So when large defeats happen such at Maccrage, the fleets end up splitting apart and trying to rebuild by skulking around the galaxy looking for poorly defended worlds to eat and regrow from.
Also the latest hive fleet has tendrils coming up from BENEATH the galactic plane, and the latest coming from the west... almost as if the galaxy is surrounded by Tyranids drifting in 😮
Funny you should mention the Orks 😁 In some of the latest lore from GW, Inquisitor Kryptmann managed to pull off what has become known as 'The Kryptmann Gambit'... essentially, he managed to funnel a whole tyranid hive fleet into the most heavily Ork-held region known to the Imperium. At first, it seemed like it was working; the Orks were thrilled at an apparently endless source of a good fight, the Tyranids engaged wholesale at the prospect of the richest seam of bio-mass that had ever had the nerve to rear up and punch it in the snout (figuratively speaking 😆). For a while, it bought the nearest Imperial worlds some time to shore up defences. But as time progressed, they realised that not only were the tyranids adapting fast enough to finish the orks off, but the fleet that emerged would be much more powerful than the one that went in; with the tyranids, every scrap of organic matter can be broken down and recycled, used to create new monsters... and the Ork territories were starting to resemble an all-you-can-eat buffet...
The Nids are basically B-movie horror monsters and I've been collecting them for over 20 years. Love my hungry hungry buggy boys! And to clarify about carnifexes( one of my favorites): they're basically living batering rams and are extremely versatile since you can give them many various ranged and melee weapons. And they're just fun to spam on the tabletop 😁
Termagaunts - Cannon fodder, bugs with guns Gargoyles - Termagaunts with wings Genestealers - Strong melee shock troops, notably more intelligent than other tyranids Carnifex - Comparable to a main battle tank Swarmlord - Essentially a manifestation of the hivemind, gets reborn whenever killed
The tyranids are really awesome for so many different reasons, I'm excited for you to dig a little deeper into them and I hope you bring us along for the ride.
In regards to orks versus nids. That's called the octarius war. Kryptman baited the nid fleet tot he ork empire of orktarius, and the nids eventually won. Also nids are based off of lizards, not bugs. If you look at thier models alot of them look like mutant dinosaurs. They don't really crawl or have chitinous exoskeleton you'd see on insects or arachnids.
What about all times they were referred to as bugs by gw in official material. What about their very insect like behavior and references to hives. There are many tyranid bioforms with a chitinous exoskeleton, it's even mentioned a few times in this video. They have some reptilian qualities but they were inspired by creatures from alien and starship troopers which are all insect like creatures.
There is only one flaw in your logic. Arachnids and tyranids both end in nids not sours lik in dinosours so clearly this indisputable fact states that you are wrong
@Karait933 take a look at a cockroach or spider and tell me what tyranid model looks even remotely similar to them. Now look at a velociraptor and your tyranid gaunt. They look kind of similar. Tyranids look a lot more like lizards than insects.
By the lore, the Tyranids can't be stopped. They haven't even fully arrived in the Milky Way yet, and their numbers are so vast that they can attack a million worlds at the same time and overwhelme all of the galactic armies at once.
Oh they are coming. Unless the Necrons, Chaos, or Eldar have some nightmare mass extinction device, everything will be consumed. Maybe it could trigger the Emperor lifting a finger and pulling the Emperium into the webway, but we know it wont be that simple.
@@warhawkbm The necrons could just use the Celestial Orrery to just nova systems that tyranids swarm to. The new Leviathan lore is genuinely horrifying btw, Norn Emissaries specifically.
I always found Nids and Orks to be the 'least' evil of the 40k races. Orks just love a fight. You know 'exactly' what you're gonna get from them, no subterfuge (mostly...), no unnecessary cruelty, just scraps and death. Nids just see everyone as burgers. If anything, they're kinda neutral. Only reason they are bad is that humanity comes under the viable 'foodstuffs' Edit: I'd say yes Kryptmann was right in his actions if looking at the bigger picture though. By that point, they had so much biomatter they would have been near unstoppable on those planets. If he didn't destroy them, then the hive fleet would have only continued to grow and by the time anyone was able to try and stop it, it would have potentially become galaxy threatening.
In one story, the orcs faced off against the Tyranids, but the Tyranids just ate them all. Here's what's interesting. There was a story where the Nurgle faced the Tyranids. They fought on the planet for SO long that it turned out to be such a soup of poison that both sides were dying without winning.
There is another one of a world containing a demonic artifact invaded by Tyranids triggering a Demonic invasion. Unable to feed from deamons, the Tyranids labeled them as competitors and attacks without prejudice. The war ended when the Tyranids banished four daemon princes weakened by the shadow in the warp. Drones were not having fun with shadow in the warp sometimes outright banishing them out of the materium.
in fact the orcs and theranids have not yet noticed their full potential. but it seems to me that the power of the orcs' imagination is a richer weapon)
@twentytwohya Orks just lost a major all-out war against the Tyranids. Leutin covers the Octarius War. An entire sector of the Galaxy owned by Orks has been crushed by the Tyranids. The Octarius Empire is crumbling, with Millions of Ork survivors in retreat looking for easier fights.
Kryptman was right! He did everything right as of what he knew! sadly it was not enough to stop one of the biggest threat to the galaxy! but luckily it happened at the same time as the Necron awakening ;)
For me, one of the creepiest aspects of Tyranid Hive Fleet Leviathan was that at first, the Imperium couldn't make sense of where Leviathan was coming from. They seemed to be appearing at random star systems with no discernible routes or travel between them (so say at the same time Leviathan was attacking one planet, they're also attacking a star system that is nowhere near, and multiple star systems away). Then someone realized that Leviathan was attacking from BELOW the Milky Way's galactic plane. This has led to some fears that the Milky Way is in fact surrounded on all sides by Tyranid fleets on their way.
Genestealers are a sub faction of Tyranids, basically imagine a Tyranid showing up on a human planet or population, snaking around and finding seemingly random victims and giving them a "kiss" (genetic splicing) with it's tongue. The modified human being is a genestealers and will live out their lives breeding more genestealers and they slowly spread and when the time comes they will act as need be for their Tyranid saviors and lords. More or less. As for orks vs. Tyranids it happens all the time, sometimes the Tyranids win and get biomass other times orks win and Tyranids pullout due to it being inefficient resource wise.
17:56 that is a hive tyrant, a weaker and mentally younger version of the swarmlord who are said to be the only bioforms to possess something resembling a separate personality and consciousness from the hivemind
Inqusitor Kryptman tricked some orc Freebootas and Warbosses into attacking the Octarius sector to put them in the path of a hive fleet, thinking they would burn each other out and thus be weakened so a small crusade fleet could mop them up but they ended up feeding into each other so much that the Orcs and 'Nids in the Octarius sector are much stronger now.
The shame about the Tyranid's is thats it hard to write good story solely about them. I have heard alot of peope say its cool to see them in a battle where you focus on (Blood Angels) fighting the Nid's. But because the Tyranid's dont really have any character or character's it's hard to give them any true in depth story's.
Yeah, I've only heard of a specific Carnifex called Old One Eye, that kept coming back from the dead on this one planet, but that's pretty much it. You could make a great horror story about a Lictor stalking some imperial guards though, or something about the genestealer cults.
You know, a lot of the time an existential dread doesn't need a huge backstory. They are here, they are incomprehensible and they can't be dissuaded or likely stopped. That's enough. Same with the Borg in Star Trek. Once they added background and humanity and all that shit the Borgthreat went from "Oh my god this is so bad we're all going to die" to "Ah well, just trick them or do a diplomacy, it'll be fine"
@@MrProthall Yeah I'd rather the Tyranids stay unknowable and eldritch. They're in a good spot where we know just enough about them to be horrified lmao.
I wrote a good Tyranid story from the point of view of the hive mind. It goes " nom nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom nom new galaxy needed keep moving... keep looking... keep looking... Ah there's one!...aannnddd nom nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom " And it does that for 16 chapters. Reckon GW would be interested in publishing it?
@@timnordstrom7383 I believe at one point there were stories about other unique Tyranid creatures and displaying how truly horrific just one of those creatures could be. Deathleaper, repeatedly infiltrating an Imperial planetary capital to butcher the governor’s personal guard in front of him night after night for weeks; the Doom of Malan’tai, the first Neurothrope, which absorbed the psychic energy of an entire Craftworld; the Red Terror, secretly boarding a cargo ship and painting the insides red with the crew before disappearing on a new planet; and who could forget the Parasite of Mortrex, who does the whole Xenomorph chest-bursting thing with Rippers. I haven’t been following 40k news in a while, but I’d be disappointed if those characters had been left behind. The Doom of Malan’tai had suffered that fate already, being dumped after 5th edition. It’s really a shame, Tyranids can be such a powerful force for horror stories, rather than being just faceless fodder for the heroes to slay en masse.
'I want the specifics of what (the Tyranids) do to the humans' - careful what you wish for, lol I can't wait to see you react to the Octarius conflict!
I converted that Tyranid video to mp3 a while back. I like to listen to it in bed with the lights off. I've listened to it many times and loads of other warhammer lore videos. If you haven't tried it i recommend giving it a go. You get more into the story with no distractions and the darkness helps paint pictures in your mind as you listen.
When it comes to Inquisitor Kryptman, two proverbs comes to mind. One is the more well known "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." But one not so well known is "He who saves one, saves many." The Inquisition upholds a vow to defend humanity from threats without and within, and they do so with a cold heart, because they have to. They face horrors that would break the wills and minds of many. But if you cannot bother to even save a single human life, you cannot say you are on a quest to defend humanity.
Tyranids would win hands down against the Orks. Tyranids can adapt to all weapons to counter it, Orks vast numbers = more food for Tyranids = more Tyranids better equipped. Don't forget that even if Tyranids lose a lot of its own, their corpses are used for biomass, therefore they are replaced with better Tyranids. I don't remember which youtuber said that but... he said the Tyranid hive mind is the most intelligent creature of all WH40K for a multiple reasons which I forgot, been awhile since I watched it.
24:40 You could make an argument for that particular action (Albiet a rather cold one). However Kryptman then decided to lead the Tyranids to the Orks, who grow stronger with more battle and the Tyranids would have a large pool of Biomass to fuel them so unless both groups wiped the other out (Which was what Kryptman hoped, though its really unlikely to happen) the winner of that battle is going to be even stronger then before they fought meaning the Imperium has an even bigger headache to deal with.
both ork and tyranid end up evolve. it become un ending war. they start to realize they can't destroy each other and start to spread out to invade other sectors
Ah, Ultra Marinas getting their asses kicked was such a nice and refreshing moment in the lore. Kryptman made a huge mistake by wiping out around 20 planets before Tyranids even showed up. If he waited for Tyranids to actually deploy their troops before exterminating them that would be a good idea. Tyranids would waste alot of biomass on warriors and the clean up crews then get exterminatus. This is how Imperium sometimes deals with Tyranids now, allow them to start gathering biomass then BOOM.
Kyptman was probably not right, but who can really say. Hive Fleet Levithan was broken at the Devestation of Baal (homeworld of the Blood Angles) and it was a very close run war which almost exterminated the Blood Angles and many of their successor chapters to the last marine. So maybe it really did make a difference preventing them from eating those worlds.
@@knightangel2190 Really? I havent kept up too much with the lore, are they playing leviathan as not really being defeated so that the Ultramarines can actually be the ones to beat it? Cant let the other chapters have a moment
@@Markus9343 Well actually this time around it’s gotten a hell of a lot more interesting. The Dark Angels Primarch Lionel Johnson has awakened and is kicking ass. So for once it will probably be the ultra marines who are going to be saved by the dark Angels chapter against the tyranid menace.
@@knightangel2190 Yup I know about the Lion waking up from nap time. But what I really want to know is did they retcon the smashing of Leviathan at Baal? Becuse that would suck, Dante and the Devestation of Baal were two amazing books and a real glory moment for my fave chapter.
@@Markus9343 from what I heard is that won’t be the case of retconning. Instead it looks like they are going the way saying that was only the vanguard forces and now the man body of Leviathan tendril is moving in.
while kryptman's tactic did work, I think it was a very short term victory. he could've properly warned the Imperium about the incoming threats to defeat them without sacrificing worlds that could've continued providing the Imperium with labor and resources for what had obviously turned into a very long term conflict. yes many ships and lives would've been lost either way, but new guardsmen and space marines can be trained and new ships can be built whereas the Imperium clearly can't restore dead planets.
We know who would win between 'nids and orks, because it happened: the 'nids! In his scorched earth exterminatus crusade, Kryptman lead the Leviathan hive fleet to the Octarius system, a system completely occupied by orks, in the hope that 'nids and orks will annihilate each other. It was a very long stalemate, with orks coming from all around the galaxy longing for what was promised to them to be the greatest brawl ever and, eventually... they lost. The Leviathan won and now, thanks to all the orks they gorged themselves on, the hivefleet has so much biomass that they are almost unstoppable. So... yeah... 'nids win against orks and Kryptman f*cked up big! On a serius note, obviously GW won't give an open answer because, well, if a faction was to win 40k, the game ends... but the 'nids are gonna be the ultimate winners. -countless -constantly evolving -psionic killers -immune to chaos -can devour literally anything (yes, they have creatures that can digest rock and metal too) The only faction who would have a chance are the necrons... but they are now way too few and are way too busy in fighting all the other factions.
If you like Luetin, you should check out Weshammer. Luetin is very clinical and academic in his delivery, like a professor giving a lecture. Weshammer is more personal and empathic, which can hit a lot different depending on the topic, compared to a "just the facts, ma'am" approach.
whether or not Kryptman was right in carrying out system wide exterminatus just to starve the Leviathan fleet is up for debate but undoubtedly it brought results, in both time and not letting Leviathan absorb more biomass and even then, the Blood Angels and all of its successor chapters, numbering up to 10000 space marines just like the old legion back in 30K, and numerous planetary and fortress defenses got reinforced or built even with all that, they almost lost, it was an insane and devastating victory
I think Kryptman was right. The Tyranids are arguably the greatest threat to the galaxy at the moment, and grow in power (aka biomass) the more they win. Starving them and stopping them at an early stage is unequivocally the best tactic to use against them, no matter the cost (however unfortunate that truth is).
Well you asked for it. Rippers. Cat sized maggot like creatures made to eat and process biomass Gaunts. Mastiff sized raptor like creatures that are the general infantry and fodder designed to charge on mass and test defenders Gene-stealers. Roughly human sized infantry and infiltration units Gargoyles. Gaunts but with wings Warriors. Main backbone infantry. Lictors. Assassin/Infiltrator forms. Carnifexes. Tank sized bugs made to body check tanks and break defences Mawlocs/Trygons. Burrowing worm creatures for ambush and making tunnel networks for other bioforms Tyrant Guard. Personal bodyguards to Hive-Tyrants Hive-Tyrants. Commander sized bugs the size of small building ordering every other bug near them simultaneously. Swarmlord. Super-Hive-Tyrant for when the hivemind is done playing around and wants the battle won. This is about a third of the Tyranid roster but can be seen in the video. It should be said Tyranids are my favorite faction and is by far in the top 3 biggest threat to the 40k Galaxy. Also to be said there have been 7 different 'main' Hive fleets. All of which have come from different points in the milky way Galaxy. There are also 3 theories with the Tyranids. 1. That the Tyranids are running from something worse and we are just a speed bump to them 2. That the universe has already been consumed by the Tyranids and there is nothing surrounding the milky way but more Tyranids 3. That the Tyranids are some kind of bioweapon created by the Old Ones as a last ditch screw you to the universe before they were exterminated.
Kryptman should use a less cruel method of extermination than viral bombs, but at this point I understand the means. This is an enemy that grows stronger with each world devoured, its infection on a galactic scale and just simply sending soldiers intro this meat grinder would be counter productive . Maybe if they had huge fleets made from AI machines wichout organic components could eventualy bleed hive fleet but still if its have acces to biomass it will just rebuild itself over and over :(
That tactic may have denied them a lot of food. But there's still the biggest high Fleet in the strongeso. It didn't really do much for all that stuff was not worth it.
Sometimes the Imperium suffers from arrogance. The rest of the time, it suffers from honest ignorance, often by the Ecclesiarchy's design. Interesting point: in the original 40k book, Rogue Trader (1990), both genestealers and tyranids were mentioned, but they were somewhat different, and not immediately associated with each other. I don't think the tyranids became a playable faction until 5 years later? The destruction of Chordelis occurs in Warriors of Ultramar by Graham McNeill, and is probably the best book to read in order to fully comprehend the tyranid threat. Kryptman was *right.* Catachan Devils are... imagine a giant scorpion, but with a centipede's body. They feature in a game called Gladius as hostile wildlife... actually, you could look up tyranid units in the game too, to get a better look at all the different kinds of horrible they can bring to bear.
Something that can give you an idea of what Genestealers do and about the size of the Tyranid threat would be this little fan video. ua-cam.com/video/Ep_1k-lOto8/v-deo.html
Oi! ORKS ALWAYS WIN, EVEN WEN WE LUZE, WE GET YA SILLY GITZ LATAH! WAAAAAAAGHHHH! (I may have been listeing to 40k Ork songs on a loop for a month, slight exaggeration)
Orks vs Tyranids: both win! Orks would be so energized by the massive fighting. Nids would keep growing in biomass. Necrons would mess up the Tyranids though. Can’t consume any biomass means no reinforcements. The eternal scythe shows no mercy to these upstart species!
No he should have waited for the nids to swarm a planet then bomb it taking out a huge chunk of the nid forces everytime but its easy to be smart after the fact the sheer fear he felt over these creatures could make anyone do dumb things and he is just a human not like a marine who do not feel fear and sturdy tactics for many hundred years. He is obvious a powerful human who have extended his life but human still
if Ghazkul can unite all the orc clans, the Orcs will win. I think in a war of attrition the Orcs would hold out, but they'd need to be united. otherwise the Tyranids will win everyday against a divided Orc army. Just my thoughts
Kryptman was wrong, modern lore confirmed this already. Bascially, what happened next is he send tyranids on the Octarius system (ork empire), thinking, ok orks and tyranids will slaughter each other, long story short, both came out stronger. Tyranids just keep coming, there were more tyranic wars, the one on Baal was really bad and in very recent lore, they announced tyranids appeared from a completely new angle and they're basically headed towards Terra (earth). Going back to Kryptman, he barely made a dent in therms of military tactic. I do think it would have been better to recruit soldiers from these planets. Deamons are terrible, orks are terrible, etc... so many enemies, but I think a lot of people are seeing Tyranids are the ultimate & final enemy. In theory they can wipe out everyone and then, they'll move to another galaxy, at this point even deamons are powerless. If you want a good book about tyranids, there's not too many cause it's hard to see them as something else than the enemy, considering their lore, it's really hard to get into the skin of a tyranid (it's possible though, but it's... really weird, it's hard to explain), going back to the books, one book I would recommend, I would recommend the audio version, it's posible to find it, the book is good, but I much prefer the audio version => The Devastation of Baal. Honestly it's my favorite warhammer book, I'm not a human/imperial guy, I collect nearly all the xenos/alien races, this book is about Blood Angels vs tyranids and it's glorious. It's so good while having these parts that made me seriously unconfortable, it's something else being used to how grimdark the lore is, but then they still manage to find lore that just makes skin crawl. OK, one last think before I'm done: Drukhari/Dark Eldar are the worst thing that can happen to you in 40K, 100% worst fate, nobody will debate this. Chaos is bad, deamons are bad, tyranids are bad, etc... but then you get to drukhari. How bad are tyranids? Drukhari keep them as pets :). Most factions except for maybe orks run from tyranids, a massive fleet comes for an ork world, they might run if the ork boss is smart, but Drukhari actively go to nids, cause they need new pets.
So fun to watch with Hya! I think tyranids already won in a tyranid vs ork planet wide war...so i say nids for the W....but i still like dem greenski ns bedda. Somehow my alert was off so its on now! Good video 😊
Thank you!! Also I just found out from the comments that they already have fought😭 Now I have to watch that incredible war video. Thank you so much for your support!🤍
Cryptman doing litteraly did nothing to stop or slow the hive fleet, was just a litteral waste of human lives. He shouldve been executed honestly. Oh the privilege of being a inquisitor.
A really basic explanation of tyranids. Devourers are the smallest bioform. They are like walking piranhas. Then come the gaunts (almost human size) they are cannon fodder and relatively weak.The termagants shoot, the hormagants are full melee. Gargoyles are winged gaunts. Now this smaller creatures doesn't have a brain, they are controllers bybthe warriors and other psychic creatures. The warriors are low rank officers basically, they are big, and pretty dangerous. Carnifex are enormous line breakers. Slow, strong as f and heavy armoured, they got different variants too. That's like the most basic nutshell, but tyrannids most powerful trait it's evolution, they're constantly adapting, so they are impossible to catalog.
The Zerg from Starcraft are similar to Tyranids, though Zerg are more advanced, generally more coordinated/intelligent, and they evolve, grow and mutate much quicker. The Zerg are just Tyranids but better in every way, except numbers. Tyranids far outnumber Zerg going off of how many Tyranids are active in the 40k universe vs how many zerg are active in the starcraft universe. Tyranids have no end, they just outnumber everything and even the Necrons are worried about them
Another piece of lore progress, infinite more to go.
Yes, Luetin09 also has videos on this.
Last I heard tyranids had come out on top of this one...
Tyranids is definitely the scariest faction for me. Such a huge swarm can be so calculated, all converging on the defenses first, literally throwing their bodies into the gun barrels to disable them. And once they have no means to defend themselves, it's feeding time.
And if that wasn't Op already they can cancel Warp
Yeah, but then necrons Cannot be turned into biomass. They're guns delete Biomass
@@gabrielnorman3053which is why tyranids avoid necron tombworlds
One thing to consider with how Tyranids can be all over the place without the Imperium knowing is that they don't travel through the warp. While they can move faster than light its still a very slow process compared to all the other factions. So when large defeats happen such at Maccrage, the fleets end up splitting apart and trying to rebuild by skulking around the galaxy looking for poorly defended worlds to eat and regrow from.
Also the latest hive fleet has tendrils coming up from BENEATH the galactic plane, and the latest coming from the west... almost as if the galaxy is surrounded by Tyranids drifting in 😮
@@HistoritorJimaldus The Hive mind ordered a Galaxy for dinner and the Door Dash is coming to pick it up.
Funny you should mention the Orks 😁 In some of the latest lore from GW, Inquisitor Kryptmann managed to pull off what has become known as 'The Kryptmann Gambit'... essentially, he managed to funnel a whole tyranid hive fleet into the most heavily Ork-held region known to the Imperium. At first, it seemed like it was working; the Orks were thrilled at an apparently endless source of a good fight, the Tyranids engaged wholesale at the prospect of the richest seam of bio-mass that had ever had the nerve to rear up and punch it in the snout (figuratively speaking 😆).
For a while, it bought the nearest Imperial worlds some time to shore up defences. But as time progressed, they realised that not only were the tyranids adapting fast enough to finish the orks off, but the fleet that emerged would be much more powerful than the one that went in; with the tyranids, every scrap of organic matter can be broken down and recycled, used to create new monsters... and the Ork territories were starting to resemble an all-you-can-eat buffet...
The Nids are basically B-movie horror monsters and I've been collecting them for over 20 years. Love my hungry hungry buggy boys!
And to clarify about carnifexes( one of my favorites): they're basically living batering rams and are extremely versatile since you can give them many various ranged and melee weapons. And they're just fun to spam on the tabletop 😁
Termagaunts - Cannon fodder, bugs with guns
Gargoyles - Termagaunts with wings
Genestealers - Strong melee shock troops, notably more intelligent than other tyranids
Carnifex - Comparable to a main battle tank
Swarmlord - Essentially a manifestation of the hivemind, gets reborn whenever killed
Gebestealer cult player here. Funnest Part of playing Tyranids is the fact that your faction feels nearly unbeatable.
The tyranids are really awesome for so many different reasons, I'm excited for you to dig a little deeper into them and I hope you bring us along for the ride.
Of course I will!!
Orks vs Tyranids, you say? Boy you'd love the Octarius war.
The best way to get to know the various bioforms would be a range review of the models :)
I can't wait to dive deep into the models!
I cannot wait for you to see stuff on the Genestealer cults. I won't spoil anything but I will say they're the coolest faction in 40k.
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Arch put out a genestealer video
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In regards to orks versus nids. That's called the octarius war. Kryptman baited the nid fleet tot he ork empire of orktarius, and the nids eventually won. Also nids are based off of lizards, not bugs. If you look at thier models alot of them look like mutant dinosaurs. They don't really crawl or have chitinous exoskeleton you'd see on insects or arachnids.
What about all times they were referred to as bugs by gw in official material. What about their very insect like behavior and references to hives. There are many tyranid bioforms with a chitinous exoskeleton, it's even mentioned a few times in this video. They have some reptilian qualities but they were inspired by creatures from alien and starship troopers which are all insect like creatures.
There is only one flaw in your logic. Arachnids and tyranids both end in nids not sours lik in dinosours so clearly this indisputable fact states that you are wrong
@Karait933 take a look at a cockroach or spider and tell me what tyranid model looks even remotely similar to them. Now look at a velociraptor and your tyranid gaunt. They look kind of similar. Tyranids look a lot more like lizards than insects.
@@PhthaloGreenskin you fail to undetstand the bredth of my stupidity nid sound like nid so therefore true. Muhahaha
They do have chitin and exoskeletons according to the lore iirc
By the lore, the Tyranids can't be stopped. They haven't even fully arrived in the Milky Way yet, and their numbers are so vast that they can attack a million worlds at the same time and overwhelme all of the galactic armies at once.
They are so OP😭😭😭
Oh they are coming. Unless the Necrons, Chaos, or Eldar have some nightmare mass extinction device, everything will be consumed. Maybe it could trigger the Emperor lifting a finger and pulling the Emperium into the webway, but we know it wont be that simple.
@@warhawkbm The necrons could just use the Celestial Orrery to just nova systems that tyranids swarm to. The new Leviathan lore is genuinely horrifying btw, Norn Emissaries specifically.
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I always found Nids and Orks to be the 'least' evil of the 40k races.
Orks just love a fight. You know 'exactly' what you're gonna get from them, no subterfuge (mostly...), no unnecessary cruelty, just scraps and death.
Nids just see everyone as burgers. If anything, they're kinda neutral. Only reason they are bad is that humanity comes under the viable 'foodstuffs'
Edit: I'd say yes Kryptmann was right in his actions if looking at the bigger picture though. By that point, they had so much biomatter they would have been near unstoppable on those planets. If he didn't destroy them, then the hive fleet would have only continued to grow and by the time anyone was able to try and stop it, it would have potentially become galaxy threatening.
“Who would win in a battle Tyranids or Orks”
*Laughs in dispair*
Look up the Octarius war
In one story, the orcs faced off against the Tyranids, but the Tyranids just ate them all.
Here's what's interesting. There was a story where the Nurgle faced the Tyranids. They fought on the planet for SO long that it turned out to be such a soup of poison that both sides were dying without winning.
There is another one of a world containing a demonic artifact invaded by Tyranids triggering a Demonic invasion.
Unable to feed from deamons, the Tyranids labeled them as competitors and attacks without prejudice. The war ended when the Tyranids banished four daemon princes weakened by the shadow in the warp.
Drones were not having fun with shadow in the warp sometimes outright banishing them out of the materium.
in fact the orcs and theranids have not yet noticed their full potential. but it seems to me that the power of the orcs' imagination is a richer weapon)
Ah, the predatory invasive ecosystem that is the Tyranids.
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@twentytwohya Orks just lost a major all-out war against the Tyranids. Leutin covers the Octarius War. An entire sector of the Galaxy owned by Orks has been crushed by the Tyranids. The Octarius Empire is crumbling, with Millions of Ork survivors in retreat looking for easier fights.
I swore this debuted tommorrow at 1am lol but im here now
Kryptman was right! He did everything right as of what he knew! sadly it was not enough to stop one of the biggest threat to the galaxy! but luckily it happened at the same time as the Necron awakening ;)
For me, one of the creepiest aspects of Tyranid Hive Fleet Leviathan was that at first, the Imperium couldn't make sense of where Leviathan was coming from. They seemed to be appearing at random star systems with no discernible routes or travel between them (so say at the same time Leviathan was attacking one planet, they're also attacking a star system that is nowhere near, and multiple star systems away). Then someone realized that Leviathan was attacking from BELOW the Milky Way's galactic plane. This has led to some fears that the Milky Way is in fact surrounded on all sides by Tyranid fleets on their way.
Good timing on starting to look into tyranids...since 11th edition will be the fourth tyranic war.
Genestealers are a sub faction of Tyranids, basically imagine a Tyranid showing up on a human planet or population, snaking around and finding seemingly random victims and giving them a "kiss" (genetic splicing) with it's tongue. The modified human being is a genestealers and will live out their lives breeding more genestealers and they slowly spread and when the time comes they will act as need be for their Tyranid saviors and lords. More or less.
As for orks vs. Tyranids it happens all the time, sometimes the Tyranids win and get biomass other times orks win and Tyranids pullout due to it being inefficient resource wise.
So happy to see you react to the Tyranids!
They're so warm and fuzzy. Like newborn kittens.... really.
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If Kittens were made of Hungry and Chitin
In the Warhammer universe, this was an Act of Mercy on the part of the Inquisitor.
wild when you consider Kryptman was kicked out of the inquisition for going too far in a universe where full planet destruction is always an option
17:56 that is a hive tyrant, a weaker and mentally younger version of the swarmlord who are said to be the only bioforms to possess something resembling a separate personality and consciousness from the hivemind
Fun fact: Prandium, the lush green planet that was eaten by the nids is Latin for 'lunch'.
They were totally asking for it with that name.
Inqusitor Kryptman tricked some orc Freebootas and Warbosses into attacking the Octarius sector to put them in the path of a hive fleet, thinking they would burn each other out and thus be weakened so a small crusade fleet could mop them up but they ended up feeding into each other so much that the Orcs and 'Nids in the Octarius sector are much stronger now.
27:43 - Kryptman: "I like the way you think twentytwohya..."
The shame about the Tyranid's is thats it hard to write good story solely about them. I have heard alot of peope say its cool to see them in a battle where you focus on (Blood Angels) fighting the Nid's. But because the Tyranid's dont really have any character or character's it's hard to give them any true in depth story's.
Yeah, I've only heard of a specific Carnifex called Old One Eye, that kept coming back from the dead on this one planet, but that's pretty much it.
You could make a great horror story about a Lictor stalking some imperial guards though, or something about the genestealer cults.
You know, a lot of the time an existential dread doesn't need a huge backstory. They are here, they are incomprehensible and they can't be dissuaded or likely stopped. That's enough.
Same with the Borg in Star Trek. Once they added background and humanity and all that shit the Borgthreat went from "Oh my god this is so bad we're all going to die" to "Ah well, just trick them or do a diplomacy, it'll be fine"
@@MrProthall Yeah I'd rather the Tyranids stay unknowable and eldritch. They're in a good spot where we know just enough about them to be horrified lmao.
I wrote a good Tyranid story from the point of view of the hive mind. It goes " nom nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom nom new galaxy needed keep moving... keep looking... keep looking... Ah there's one!...aannnddd nom nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom nom nom next planet nom nom nom "
And it does that for 16 chapters. Reckon GW would be interested in publishing it?
@@timnordstrom7383 I believe at one point there were stories about other unique Tyranid creatures and displaying how truly horrific just one of those creatures could be. Deathleaper, repeatedly infiltrating an Imperial planetary capital to butcher the governor’s personal guard in front of him night after night for weeks; the Doom of Malan’tai, the first Neurothrope, which absorbed the psychic energy of an entire Craftworld; the Red Terror, secretly boarding a cargo ship and painting the insides red with the crew before disappearing on a new planet; and who could forget the Parasite of Mortrex, who does the whole Xenomorph chest-bursting thing with Rippers.
I haven’t been following 40k news in a while, but I’d be disappointed if those characters had been left behind. The Doom of Malan’tai had suffered that fate already, being dumped after 5th edition. It’s really a shame, Tyranids can be such a powerful force for horror stories, rather than being just faceless fodder for the heroes to slay en masse.
'I want the specifics of what (the Tyranids) do to the humans' - careful what you wish for, lol
I can't wait to see you react to the Octarius conflict!
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Fun fact Tyranid Hive Fleets stay away from Necron Tomb worlds.
I converted that Tyranid video to mp3 a while back. I like to listen to it in bed with the lights off. I've listened to it many times and loads of other warhammer lore videos. If you haven't tried it i recommend giving it a go. You get more into the story with no distractions and the darkness helps paint pictures in your mind as you listen.
Even the Necrons are scared by the Nids
When it comes to Inquisitor Kryptman, two proverbs comes to mind. One is the more well known "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." But one not so well known is "He who saves one, saves many." The Inquisition upholds a vow to defend humanity from threats without and within, and they do so with a cold heart, because they have to. They face horrors that would break the wills and minds of many. But if you cannot bother to even save a single human life, you cannot say you are on a quest to defend humanity.
Tyranids would win hands down against the Orks. Tyranids can adapt to all weapons to counter it, Orks vast numbers = more food for Tyranids = more Tyranids better equipped. Don't forget that even if Tyranids lose a lot of its own, their corpses are used for biomass, therefore they are replaced with better Tyranids.
I don't remember which youtuber said that but... he said the Tyranid hive mind is the most intelligent creature of all WH40K for a multiple reasons which I forgot, been awhile since I watched it.
24:40 You could make an argument for that particular action (Albiet a rather cold one).
However Kryptman then decided to lead the Tyranids to the Orks, who grow stronger with more battle and the Tyranids would have a large pool of Biomass to fuel them so unless both groups wiped the other out (Which was what Kryptman hoped, though its really unlikely to happen) the winner of that battle is going to be even stronger then before they fought meaning the Imperium has an even bigger headache to deal with.
both ork and tyranid end up evolve. it become un ending war. they start to realize they can't destroy each other and start to spread out to invade other sectors
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Old exterminator cryptman
Ah, Ultra Marinas getting their asses kicked was such a nice and refreshing moment in the lore.
Kryptman made a huge mistake by wiping out around 20 planets before Tyranids even showed up. If he waited for Tyranids to actually deploy their troops before exterminating them that would be a good idea. Tyranids would waste alot of biomass on warriors and the clean up crews then get exterminatus. This is how Imperium sometimes deals with Tyranids now, allow them to start gathering biomass then BOOM.
Kyptman was probably not right, but who can really say. Hive Fleet Levithan was broken at the Devestation of Baal (homeworld of the Blood Angles) and it was a very close run war which almost exterminated the Blood Angles and many of their successor chapters to the last marine. So maybe it really did make a difference preventing them from eating those worlds.
Yeah about that….
10th edition seems to think otherwise regarding leviathan
@@knightangel2190 Really? I havent kept up too much with the lore, are they playing leviathan as not really being defeated so that the Ultramarines can actually be the ones to beat it? Cant let the other chapters have a moment
@@Markus9343 Well actually this time around it’s gotten a hell of a lot more interesting. The Dark Angels Primarch Lionel Johnson has awakened and is kicking ass. So for once it will probably be the ultra marines who are going to be saved by the dark Angels chapter against the tyranid menace.
@@knightangel2190 Yup I know about the Lion waking up from nap time. But what I really want to know is did they retcon the smashing of Leviathan at Baal? Becuse that would suck, Dante and the Devestation of Baal were two amazing books and a real glory moment for my fave chapter.
@@Markus9343 from what I heard is that won’t be the case of retconning. Instead it looks like they are going the way saying that was only the vanguard forces and now the man body of Leviathan tendril is moving in.
For your last question, I think Tyranids won against Orks in Octarius War
I'd say Kryptmann made the correct call, can't risk further potential Genestealer infiltrations among the refugees
while kryptman's tactic did work, I think it was a very short term victory. he could've properly warned the Imperium about the incoming threats to defeat them without sacrificing worlds that could've continued providing the Imperium with labor and resources for what had obviously turned into a very long term conflict. yes many ships and lives would've been lost either way, but new guardsmen and space marines can be trained and new ships can be built whereas the Imperium clearly can't restore dead planets.
Tyranids vs Orks I'm full blown war........... The eternal Waaaagh is here, Gork and Mork will probably step out of the immaterium and join the fight
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We know who would win between 'nids and orks, because it happened: the 'nids!
In his scorched earth exterminatus crusade, Kryptman lead the Leviathan hive fleet to the Octarius system, a system completely occupied by orks, in the hope that 'nids and orks will annihilate each other.
It was a very long stalemate, with orks coming from all around the galaxy longing for what was promised to them to be the greatest brawl ever and, eventually... they lost.
The Leviathan won and now, thanks to all the orks they gorged themselves on, the hivefleet has so much biomass that they are almost unstoppable.
So... yeah... 'nids win against orks and Kryptman f*cked up big!
On a serius note, obviously GW won't give an open answer because, well, if a faction was to win 40k, the game ends... but the 'nids are gonna be the ultimate winners.
-countless
-constantly evolving
-psionic killers
-immune to chaos
-can devour literally anything (yes, they have creatures that can digest rock and metal too)
The only faction who would have a chance are the necrons... but they are now way too few and are way too busy in fighting all the other factions.
Orks they just get bigga and badda 😆
If you like Luetin, you should check out Weshammer. Luetin is very clinical and academic in his delivery, like a professor giving a lecture. Weshammer is more personal and empathic, which can hit a lot different depending on the topic, compared to a "just the facts, ma'am" approach.
whether or not Kryptman was right in carrying out system wide exterminatus just to starve the Leviathan fleet is up for debate
but undoubtedly it brought results, in both time and not letting Leviathan absorb more biomass
and even then, the Blood Angels and all of its successor chapters, numbering up to 10000 space marines just like the old legion back in 30K, and numerous planetary and fortress defenses got reinforced or built
even with all that, they almost lost, it was an insane and devastating victory
I think Kryptman was right. The Tyranids are arguably the greatest threat to the galaxy at the moment, and grow in power (aka biomass) the more they win. Starving them and stopping them at an early stage is unequivocally the best tactic to use against them, no matter the cost (however unfortunate that truth is).
Well you asked for it.
Rippers. Cat sized maggot like creatures made to eat and process biomass
Gaunts. Mastiff sized raptor like creatures that are the general infantry and fodder designed to charge on mass and test defenders
Gene-stealers. Roughly human sized infantry and infiltration units
Gargoyles. Gaunts but with wings
Warriors. Main backbone infantry.
Lictors. Assassin/Infiltrator forms.
Carnifexes. Tank sized bugs made to body check tanks and break defences
Mawlocs/Trygons. Burrowing worm creatures for ambush and making tunnel networks for other bioforms
Tyrant Guard. Personal bodyguards to Hive-Tyrants
Hive-Tyrants. Commander sized bugs the size of small building ordering every other bug near them simultaneously.
Swarmlord. Super-Hive-Tyrant for when the hivemind is done playing around and wants the battle won.
This is about a third of the Tyranid roster but can be seen in the video. It should be said Tyranids are my favorite faction and is by far in the top 3 biggest threat to the 40k Galaxy. Also to be said there have been 7 different 'main' Hive fleets. All of which have come from different points in the milky way Galaxy. There are also 3 theories with the Tyranids.
1. That the Tyranids are running from something worse and we are just a speed bump to them
2. That the universe has already been consumed by the Tyranids and there is nothing surrounding the milky way but more Tyranids
3. That the Tyranids are some kind of bioweapon created by the Old Ones as a last ditch screw you to the universe before they were exterminated.
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scary bugs: *leaves planet*
imperium: gg ez
scary bugs: *turns back around*
imperium: say sike right now
Kryptman should use a less cruel method of extermination than viral bombs, but at this point I understand the means. This is an enemy that grows stronger with each world devoured, its infection on a galactic scale and just simply sending soldiers intro this meat grinder would be counter productive . Maybe if they had huge fleets made from AI machines wichout organic components could eventualy bleed hive fleet but still if its have acces to biomass it will just rebuild itself over and over :(
That tactic may have denied them a lot of food. But there's still the biggest high Fleet in the strongeso. It didn't really do much for all that stuff was not worth it.
Sometimes the Imperium suffers from arrogance. The rest of the time, it suffers from honest ignorance, often by the Ecclesiarchy's design. Interesting point: in the original 40k book, Rogue Trader (1990), both genestealers and tyranids were mentioned, but they were somewhat different, and not immediately associated with each other. I don't think the tyranids became a playable faction until 5 years later?
The destruction of Chordelis occurs in Warriors of Ultramar by Graham McNeill, and is probably the best book to read in order to fully comprehend the tyranid threat. Kryptman was *right.*
Catachan Devils are... imagine a giant scorpion, but with a centipede's body. They feature in a game called Gladius as hostile wildlife... actually, you could look up tyranid units in the game too, to get a better look at all the different kinds of horrible they can bring to bear.
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Something that can give you an idea of what Genestealers do and about the size of the Tyranid threat would be this little fan video.
ua-cam.com/video/Ep_1k-lOto8/v-deo.html
If you think this tyranid fight was bad, you should check out the Devastation of Baal, where the ‘nids attacked the homeworld of the blood angels
Oi! ORKS ALWAYS WIN, EVEN WEN WE LUZE, WE GET YA SILLY GITZ LATAH! WAAAAAAAGHHHH!
(I may have been listeing to 40k Ork songs on a loop for a month, slight exaggeration)
Are we going to get another nornqueen in the making with this video? All hail the hivemind
Orks vs Tyranids: both win!
Orks would be so energized by the massive fighting. Nids would keep growing in biomass.
Necrons would mess up the Tyranids though. Can’t consume any biomass means no reinforcements. The eternal scythe shows no mercy to these upstart species!
Didn't Tyranids win in Octarius vs the orks?
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OFC the answer against tyranid is NECRON! just because no biomass and DESINTEGRATION!! (no adaptation here)
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No he should have waited for the nids to swarm a planet then bomb it taking out a huge chunk of the nid forces everytime but its easy to be smart after the fact the sheer fear he felt over these creatures could make anyone do dumb things and he is just a human not like a marine who do not feel fear and sturdy tactics for many hundred years. He is obvious a powerful human who have extended his life but human still
if Ghazkul can unite all the orc clans, the Orcs will win. I think in a war of attrition the Orcs would hold out, but they'd need to be united. otherwise the Tyranids will win everyday against a divided Orc army. Just my thoughts
I think you’re completely right! The Orks are so savage and brutal, they could get a lot more done if they work together.
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Tyranids are included there 😉
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Kryptman was wrong, modern lore confirmed this already. Bascially, what happened next is he send tyranids on the Octarius system (ork empire), thinking, ok orks and tyranids will slaughter each other, long story short, both came out stronger. Tyranids just keep coming, there were more tyranic wars, the one on Baal was really bad and in very recent lore, they announced tyranids appeared from a completely new angle and they're basically headed towards Terra (earth).
Going back to Kryptman, he barely made a dent in therms of military tactic. I do think it would have been better to recruit soldiers from these planets.
Deamons are terrible, orks are terrible, etc... so many enemies, but I think a lot of people are seeing Tyranids are the ultimate & final enemy. In theory they can wipe out everyone and then, they'll move to another galaxy, at this point even deamons are powerless.
If you want a good book about tyranids, there's not too many cause it's hard to see them as something else than the enemy, considering their lore, it's really hard to get into the skin of a tyranid (it's possible though, but it's... really weird, it's hard to explain), going back to the books, one book I would recommend, I would recommend the audio version, it's posible to find it, the book is good, but I much prefer the audio version => The Devastation of Baal.
Honestly it's my favorite warhammer book, I'm not a human/imperial guy, I collect nearly all the xenos/alien races, this book is about Blood Angels vs tyranids and it's glorious. It's so good while having these parts that made me seriously unconfortable, it's something else being used to how grimdark the lore is, but then they still manage to find lore that just makes skin crawl.
OK, one last think before I'm done: Drukhari/Dark Eldar are the worst thing that can happen to you in 40K, 100% worst fate, nobody will debate this. Chaos is bad, deamons are bad, tyranids are bad, etc... but then you get to drukhari. How bad are tyranids? Drukhari keep them as pets :). Most factions except for maybe orks run from tyranids, a massive fleet comes for an ork world, they might run if the ork boss is smart, but Drukhari actively go to nids, cause they need new pets.
I'm a Tau player just crying because I know my my blue boys would try and be offering the Nids some opportunistic trade deals or something.🤦♂
We have an answer to your Ork v nids fight. Nids win.
So fun to watch with Hya! I think tyranids already won in a tyranid vs ork planet wide war...so i say nids for the W....but i still like dem greenski ns bedda. Somehow my alert was off so its on now! Good video 😊
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Cryptman doing litteraly did nothing to stop or slow the hive fleet, was just a litteral waste of human lives. He shouldve been executed honestly. Oh the privilege of being a inquisitor.
He slowed them a lot. He starved them to death
A really basic explanation of tyranids. Devourers are the smallest bioform. They are like walking piranhas. Then come the gaunts (almost human size) they are cannon fodder and relatively weak.The termagants shoot, the hormagants are full melee. Gargoyles are winged gaunts. Now this smaller creatures doesn't have a brain, they are controllers bybthe warriors and other psychic creatures. The warriors are low rank officers basically, they are big, and pretty dangerous. Carnifex are enormous line breakers. Slow, strong as f and heavy armoured, they got different variants too. That's like the most basic nutshell, but tyrannids most powerful trait it's evolution, they're constantly adapting, so they are impossible to catalog.
You might want to watch arch's tyranid strategy, he breaks down their attack patterns.
Warrior tier did a genestealer video
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The Zerg from Starcraft are similar to Tyranids, though Zerg are more advanced, generally more coordinated/intelligent, and they evolve, grow and mutate much quicker. The Zerg are just Tyranids but better in every way, except numbers. Tyranids far outnumber Zerg going off of how many Tyranids are active in the 40k universe vs how many zerg are active in the starcraft universe. Tyranids have no end, they just outnumber everything and even the Necrons are worried about them
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