Great video Nicolas. Just dipping into the EV world - car ordered, energy supplier changed, Wallport Pulsar Max charger installed ready (going to be using Octopus Go and went for the Wallport because 3G/4G is appalling so I've got wifi). Will probably reach out when the car arrives. Very informative - thank you from a not so confused any longer newbie 👍👍👍
The tariff i like best is the one we all used to have in 2019. 12p / kWh all day, all night. Didn't have to think about any of this bs. People just accept these 40p / kWh peak rates now like it's the norm. We're being ripped off!
@@patdbean that's a very liberal lefty way to handle an argument. Take something someone says and then attempt to make them look wrong by over exaggerating. Just makes you look dumb. The price change between 1980 and 2019 is NOT the same as the price change between 2019 and now. Maybe use your brain before commenting?
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I switched her to Intelligent Go when I got my BMW iX1 a couple of months ago. I’m still trying to get it to work properly and reliably. It really doesn’t play at all nicely with the BMW App, which is set to “Charge Immediately”, as advised by Octopus. Then, IG sets a schedule, and the BMW just charges immediately anyway, even though the schedule is for several hours later. I can’t find out how much I’m being charged for this. I have one of the BP Pulse chargers, which they’ve stopped selling and only do warranty calls now. I’m going to have to go back to the 4 hours only standard Go tariff I think, even though Octopus say that the iX1 is supported. Very, very disappointing and frustrating.
I switched to IO on Thursday with my VW ID.3 with software 3.0, slightly bewildering to begin with but got the hang of it now all pretty straightforward. My daytime rate has actually reduce from 40p to 35p too.
Hi, I’m getting an ID3 this week. I currently only have the three pin “ granny charger” so will be using the cars API. Did you use this method and any issues?
Hi Nick, just come across your UA-cam and feel envious about your ability to absorb all the details regarding EV’s. I’ve just started using an EV and so far the journey has been most frustrating and disappointing. Zero support from car seller, Ohme and Octopus to explain how we use and configure the variety of Apps linked to our vehicle. I’m a Motability customer and written to them to complain there’s nothing to support a newbie. I was hoping you’d be interested in doing something to help those of us less able. Best regards Dave
Hey David I try cover everything like this on the channel as much as I can if there’s something I’ve missed let me know and I’ll try make something about it, what car did you get?
Am at 12p on IO with car charging and 20p without so not worth risk for me on agile with a small 5kwh battery and time needed to plan the charging each day
Thanks for this Nicholas, just bought an Audi Q4 ETron and it comes with an Ohme charger (to be fitted) so I'll definitely be moving to Octopus for this, my main query was whether that cheap rate was applicable across the whole house usage and it seems it is, bonza!
As usual straight to the point without ‘fluff’, thanks again for your work. Questions if I may * I have the original OHME charger am I right in thinking that it will still interact with IO? * So I’m on IO and plug the car in but restricted the car not to charge above 80%, and say the car is at 70% would I still get any of the additional low tariff for the hour out of the off peak hours once the car gets to 80% ( that is out of the 6 hrs off peak) * if the car is not plugged in does the,house still get the daily 6hrs off peak? Many thanks in advance. Robert
Yes original Ohme If you told it you only needed 10% charge it would only schedule hours needed for that amount so if that wasn’t till 7am your car wouldn’t charge at all during 23:30-5:30 so you’d get extra slot. Clearly I didn’t explain video well enough if your last question came up which is sad as I was really hoping I made it short enough to make sense while giving all the info. So yes you get the 6 hours every single day your on intelligent
I’ve just moved onto IO, as the Go renewal was at 9p night rate and IO at 7.5p. At the moment I’m managing the day charging by checking the Octopus app for the schedule and setting the Zappi to Eco for the duration. That’s great while the sun’s out and I’d be charging anyway. Come autumn I’ll just send my charging request later in the day I think and see how that works. The six hours will really help me, as my car’s charge rate goes down to around 6kWh or even less after the first hour for some unknown reason…
@@NicolasRaimo even in the summer I’m a net importer. Have had to night charge one of the cars a couple of times over the last few weeks even with the weather we’ve had
@@Dominic_Bolton how much is imported? And could you store your solar for peak times and maybe your average would be better? Agile is likely a winner currently as it’s tracking the fall in wholesale energy more closely however by same token if they increase it will follow that
@@NicolasRaimo about 5,000kW a year I reckon. I only ever import on the night rate I can’t get my head around Agile… does it have a low night rate, or are you at the mercy of the wholesale market 24/7? I think it’s too risky, as I can’t react quickly enough to take advantage. I never export either, too many places to send it
I'm an EV user and bought a ohme charger which is compatible with octopus intelligence, spend less than £15 to run my car for the month. Super cheap, Only problem is my washing machine doesn't have a timer 😢
@@JT-qg4ol thanks for the suggestion, I did, and it turns the washer on, but alas that's all it does you still need to hit the start button to resume or start washing.
Hi Nick, (and all) I'm new to EV charging but have just bought a used EV car. I'm on a standard Octopus tariff but will look to move shortly to either their Intelligent, Agile or Go tariff. We don't have solar or battery yet but would look to getting these in 2 -4 years time. I initially was looking at Ohme Home Pro charger as I've learnt from you it can cope with the aforementioned Octopus tariffs. I was getting confused when you said I must have the car plugged in and charging from 5pm, to make use of the dropped price of wholesale energy being supplied by Octopus -What if I'm not back from work till 6pm or 7pm or does it not matter that the car is not plugged in and charging to be able - sorry if I've missed something obvious? Also, if I'm thinking of getting solar down the road would I be better off going for a MyEnergi Zappi EV charger now instead which would tie in other energy products ? However, I am not sure if the Zappi can cope with the new Octopus agile tariffs. I have emailed MyEnergi regarding their EV compatibility with these tariffs this evening and am just waiting for their reply. Great informative videos by the way! Kind Regards Brian
surprisingly for me (north birmingham) British gas electric driver tariff is slightly cheaper than octopus go on day rate, night rate and standing charge :)
whats your podcode? as when I check octopus cheaper! on all but peak but the offpeak cheaper and longer this is before we get into debate about british gas NOT being a green energy deal; I also tried some B'ham postcodes and ALL are cheaper with octopus! POSTCODE: b781aa British Gas Electricity Standing charge: 48.403p per day* Peak unit rate: 39.033p per kWh Off Peak unit rate: 9.400p per kWh Octopus Intelligent Night rate (23:30 - 05:30): 7.5p / kWh Day rate (05:30 - 23:30): 39.27p / kWh Standing charge: 48.66p / day Octopus Go Unit rate (04:30 - 00:30): 39.27p/ kWh Unit rate (00:30 - 04:30): 9.50p/ kWh Standing Charge: 48.66p/ day
I've just gone to Intelligent using my Ohme charger. How do we get alerted that we could run the dishwasher or tumble dryer in the extra hours? How far in advance would we found out?
Hi, i have octapus app on my daughters phone. but to get octopus intelligent cheaper i am not able to download in an android phone could you explain why it is not working.
I have a Tesla and charger - all compatible with IOG. Unfortunately IOG is not compatible with IOG. The test charge fails every time. Yes, I have asked Octopus about it 😴
Your trying to connect the car to the system? Has the car got a good signal to the interest where you park? as in if you park car and try use LIVE camera view or Spotify is it working?
@@NicolasRaimo Everything works as normal here at home - except Octopus test charge. I have used OG for two years without problems but despite everything being fine - Octopus cannot cope with IOG.
Despite a member of their staff assuring me that I should re-apply to join IOG, they still refused me access. They have very mixed-up policies and staff do not appear ready to discuss Octopus-induced problems even with other staff. I charge the EV routinely using OG but they tell me that my car can't be controlled by Octopus (oh yes it can) so they refuse me access despite the evidence. So, they installed my heat pump (which after 2 months they should have it completed tomorrow morning), but the huge power drain is still not allowed on IOG. Leaves me only one option to consider ....... 😞
Squire - you would not believe how many times I have gone around this circle. I charge the car routinely on OG.@@NicolasRaimo The Hyndai Kona EV charges perfectly. The wall charger has a dummy mode permitting total control by Octopus and the manufacturers tell me others are using this normally. I have stopped attempting to talk to Octopus about it because it is too stressful. With a heat pump and batteries taking oodles of power at max cost all day, it seemed like a reasonable request. To repeat, one member of Octopus staff emailed me to confirm my car was eligible.
After two months of trying to get my 2019 kia e niro plugged into OI Octopus have suggested it won't work because it does not support Kia Connect. Roll on Myenergi full support of OI where I can let the charger take control.
I've been following your videos in preparation to leaving (expensive after Jan 1st! ) EDF E7 for OI (I'll use your link) One question though after watching this video. I have A Tesla MY and Tesla wall connector-- if I opt out of registering the car API (as you suggest) can the Tesla Wall Cnctr work with OI?( It doesn't really state this on the O website as you have to put the car model into the checker first) NOTE: the Wall Connector is online and can control the charging of the car (I usually use that in preference to the car function)
I don’t think Tesla wall connector is a support charger so your need to pick the car! This is better than not having either though just if you have choice of either charger wins
Just transferred to Octoxpus, first EV due beginning of March. Narrowed by charger choice to Hypervolt 3 Pro fitted by OVO (don't do Zappi) or local installer doing Zappi for £100 more. Which to choose?
Evnick.com/charge list of reviews but hypervolt can’t do intelligent octopus which gets cheaper rate I did a video about intelligent vs ovo anytime if interested also. Did you use a refferal code or mine to join if not ask them to assign mine if I helped you join and we split £100
Bonus hrs is not working for me. How do I set up the charger (Ohme Home Pro) to get this bonus hrs? I used your code... You would have gotten the commission in October or November 23. 😀
Might be better using Twitter to message me or contact form on evnick.com… octopus.energy/intelligent-ohme-faqs/ that guide should explain it all try them steps first
Intelligent Octopus Go is a complete nightmare if you have 2 EV's. If I setup the tariff directly to the car, it recommends deleting your Ohme account and effectively turning it into a dumb charger, so my 2nd EV will only dumb charge If I setup the tariff via the Ohme charger then this also gets confused with having 2 EV's and doesn't charge my 2nd EV correctly. It assigns a IOG schedule to my 2nd EV which is not setup for it, and then when the IOG schedule charges my 2nd EV outside the 6hr low rate it charges me higher rate.. Ohme before the IOG integration would favour charging in the low rate hours, now it does not. This will cause me to pay more to charge my 2nd EV than it did before. I can get around this by manually telling the Ohme charger to only charge my 2nd EV in the low rate hours, but I travel a lot for work so It doesn't charge enough inside these hours in most instances I wish inside the Ohme app you could have 2 separate schedules dedicated to each EV. One links to IOG schedule and the other doesn't, and uses Ohme's schedule.. I feel there is an awful lot of work to be done to refine this process before EV's get pushed onto every day folk
@@NicolasRaimo it still won't work. If the charger sends a pause signal to the car, the car won't restart the charge because it thinks there's a charging fault. It’s also affecting people charging with solar on Zappi’s. Apparently, 3.0 allowed up to 9 interruptions before the car would reject a charge.
@@NicolasRaimoon the contrary this sort of issues when the car is not in control and the power it receives from the charger isn't what it expects. Scheduling charges from the ID3 works 💯 now
OI and go are far too expensive on the peak rates. I just switched to agile, much cheaper than peak rate and often cheaper than off-peak. OI and go only work for high milage drivers now.
Ill check agile but can you give an example of differing rates. I know years back it was cheaper then it got very expensive plus also required a lot of fiddling with times.
It kinda depends... IO better for me than agile for the extra hours and easy scheduling specially with a battery. Agile requires more work on my part to load shift and keep an eye on everything. Am a low mileage EV users but also currently NOT charging at home as we are over producing solar at work with no export currently so may as well charge both my EVs at work. 5kwh battery only charging on intelligent Octopus is giving me an average unit cost of 19p a kwh thats with NO car charging, with car charging it was 12p a kwh am happy paying under 20p a kwh
No idea why they make it so damn complex. Let me control my charge via my EV Charger. I just want the 6 hrs on Intelligent instead of the 4 on Go. Wrong car, wrong charger!
Electricity generation doesn't happen in set hours of the day, intelligent chargers the car when energy is the most abundant thats why its longer thats why its cheaper
I haven’t got my wall charger yet so charging with the 3 pin. Whenever I plug my car in and go to the octopus app, it’s sets up a schedule and just immediately starts charging until 8 am the next day. I assume that means I’ll get it at the cheaper rate?!
The car should only charge in hours octopus decide when you say prescribed hours do you mean 23:30-5:30 as octopus intelligent frequently charges outside of these hours for me and my bill always shows the lower rate. If your car isn't stopping the charge when octopus stop it that sounds like a car API issue as I assume your using the car as the ohme charger is faultless in starting and stopping charge
It worked on Sunday but on Monday when plugged in the car car was charged according to the Ohme schedule but I was charged at the higher rate. I don't think its an API issue but rather a bug with octopus.
Would this Intelligent Octopus work with the following household... All Electric Bungalow (no gas in the village) with Night Storage Heaters in 6 rooms (that need at least 8 hours of electricity to charge them up at night so they don't go cold during the evening) and an Electric Vehicle (BEV). On the Intelligent Octopus Website for South West (Cornwall) the current rates (28/06/2023) are: Night rate (23:30 - 05:30): 7.5p / kWh Day rate (05:30 - 23:30): 40.2p / kWh Standing charge: 56.64p / day
Hi Nicolas - great content. I've just moved onto OI, you mentioned an extra 2 hours that can be used for any applicances, how can you tell when the extra 2 cheap hours are active? Thanks
@@alistairlambert3275 hi - i just noticed when i plug the car in i get a dynamic charging notification from the ohme app - today it says 18:41-18:45 & 22:00-06:29 wonder if all of this would allow cheap rates for applicances or just part of it, will check times and costs once I get a few days usage. Loving the 1.6p per mile.
@@NicolasRaimothanks, its a little bit of a pain though if you click on the notification accidentally or otherwise it removes the push notification, takes you to the Ohme app and shows nothing of the notification, Ohme have said "The App team is working on adding the copy into the app itself. " notifications will then be available on a more permanent basis.
@NicholasRaimo Here's a question then : in your given example, let's say Octopus starts charging my car (via the car'a API, no Ohme here) at 18:00 and I suddenly need to unplug and use the car at 19:00, what happens? Do they see that as me stopping charge and went against their terms and conditions?
Lines are jammed at the mo and so email system, I suspect all the new customer of bulb that have joined are calling to check the status of there credits etc
Currently only chargers that work with intelligent are the following… wallbox, Ohme…. I’ve been told more are coming soon likely myenergi then indra… how long who knows
Sadly No, Ohme API is closed so you can't tune anything to see it and stop charging you'd manually have to tell your givenergy unit NOT to depending on time that was allocated to you. Don't worry I have suggested some fix's to Ohme and Octopus for this am sure something will come of it. A fix for you would be have the CT clamp for the givenergy LOAD be on the home side if your tails are split serpately for EV charger
@@hajirpirouzfar9481 you need a compatible car or charger for intelligent if you can’t get intelligent however GO is suitable don’t forget to use evnick.com/energy for splitting £100 with me when you sign up also all deals listed
Does anyone know if it’s just the Ohme that is compatible with with OI? I also have solar so was looking at Zappi? Getting ID.4 but understand there may be some issues with compatibility
Hi Nick I’m just switching to OI and have 2 EV Cars , 1 a tesla which I know is perfect for OI the other is Volvo XC40 Fully Electric which if I’m correct can still charge but will have to do it manually or would I be better to move to Eon Next Tariff?
What EV charger you got? if a compatible charger then both cars will work on IO no issue, if not pick tesla and when charging the volvo just set it to only charge between 11:30-5:30 that way your still get 7.5p electric if your not an octopus energy customer please consider using my link at evnick.com/energy so we can split £100
@@Thecardetailingnut you can indeed if you just signed up email them with my code and ask them to assign it they normally do this without issue as I assume my videos made you move over
The car is a Hyundai Kona Premium 64 and is claimed by octopus to be incompatible despite being fully able to leave control of charging to Octopus. Their own staff quote the following: "I assure you that the Intelligent Octopus Go tariff is compatible with your heavy heat pump, domestic battery, and ***electric car use***. I will personally look into this matter and ensure that you are provided with the correct information and assistance to switch to the Intelligent Octopus Go tariff." I despair of getting anyone at Octopus to listen to the facts.
@@NicolasRaimo The left hand of Octopus tells me that I can join; the right hand of Octopus refuses to let me in. Meanwhile, I charge my car with Octopus Go ...... and also their heat pump and also .....
@@lawrenceharris1819 Hyundai isn’t on system currently checked a few methods they trailed it for a short period and it wasn’t behaving. Leads into my other video where I discuss having charger support is better than car support also Ford had an issue just before new year video on that in channel playlist also
I have a charger that i am pretty sure is eligible but its out of wifi range so id need to get an extender if i can find one that works (i have in the past tried and failed). My car may ir may nit be eligible see the comments in here on Kia. Are they eligible? Dunno. Also the extra hours dont really work for me as i dont usually need them nor do i usually want to (say) switch my cooker on at 5am just tomorrow. Plus theres so much scope for things to go wrong or just be misunderstood as it has done with many customers. Go is far simpler, you know the hours, you can time appliances to fit them so its not only the car, and its very easy knowing exactly what my car will charge to and can take into account a long trip a couple of days ahead. I also don't have to be constantly looking to see if i can switch my dishwasher (say) on at a different time just for tomorrow. Also what if i dont want my car charged when octopus deem it should be? Or if its above say 90%? Are octopus monitoring that and will penalise me? Can they tell difference between car stopped charging because full/at limit/driver stopped it? Will they make mistakes? TLDR Too much hassle, too complex, too much room for glitches and snags not enough upside .
Currently as of writing this the only chargers on the list are Ohme and wallbox, some are due soon however, which wallbox do you have? Needing it not needing isn’t really the point it’s more the fact it helps the grid balance better you also get a slightly cheaper offpeak rate. As I said in intelligent you still get the 11:30-5:30 rates every day so just set appliances for them hours every day regardless if you get extra hours.
@@NicolasRaimo i have a Wallbox. Not sure if the model matters. But its out of wifi range and ive failed once already to get an extender to work, i use bluetooth to update the software on it via my phone So if i am reading you correctly I will have to plug my car in every day is that right? At present its usually once or twice a week. But i could set my car to (say) 80% max would that be ok for intelligents ts and cs? Back of a fag packet estimate of savings. Say i use 3000 kWh a year. So id save 2p a kWh over Go?£60. What could go wrong that would cause octopus to charge me extra? Forget to plug my car in occasionally? (That leads to another q how can they distinguish between me being away or being home but not plugging my car in? Example im currently away all this week. Would they penalise me? If not, how can they penalise me if im at home but not plugged in?
HI Ray, Agile is a rough with smooth type deal sometimes its much better than intelligent and other times it can be the most expensive deal out on the market. Its also down to if it can fit around your tech and lifestyle for me with a child and a battery that doesn't have a link with agile it would be a pain in the bottom.
Hi Nick excellent video, I’m not very technical, do u have any information on how to set up the ohme app with octupus intelligence with my Tesla. I’ve got a sparky coming to fit the charger next week. Which app do I set the charge up on? Thanks mate.
Basicly download Ohme app, then tell octopus you want to use the charger don’t tell them you have a Tesla best to use charger means you can use 2 or more cars then…. There’s some tiny extra steps like don’t set a price limit and tell Ohme what % chArge you’d like when plugged in but that’s it
@@NicolasRaimo top man. I’m worried about the set up, Hope It’s straight forward. Do u have an email I can directly message you on? Thanks again. Top man
@@zidiqbal8309 octopus take you threw it it’s quite basic. If not not a customer yet signup evnick.com/energy £100 split between us Click you want to join intelligent and download octopus app and create Ohme login. Octopus app will ask you to link Ohme to them so you login with Ohme login and then that’s basically it. Leave car as is
Hello, not sure if this is a problem or not, charged a total of 46kw since having the car over a period of 10 days. The Octopus intelligent gives me a scheduled time say 1am till 4.30am, ( I'm plugging in the car at 5pm the previous day) the car seems to charge straight away even though its been scheduled and it will charge till 100% eg 2-4 hours say between 5pm and 9pm. Does this mean that I'm still being charged off peak times? Looking at thr bmw app says used 6kw to charge but the Octopus app is telling me I've only charged 0.94kw in the past 12 hours 🤯. Any help please
Get a prober charger you shouldn't be using a granny charger as your full time home charger video on why here ua-cam.com/video/No04dF7cwDc/v-deo.html The octopus API should schedule the charge and control it when it sets the hours to charge you get the cheap rate so if octopus say it will start charging from 5pm till 1am your get cheap rate however if the app isn't scheduling this sounds like its not working correctly so email them.
Sorry but I strongly dislike your above comment about customers supposedly throwing money away by choice. The truth is quite the opposite. Despite having an EV, a charger, a heat pump and domestic batteries, Octopus *refuses* to let us join IO on fictitious grounds that do not stand the test of reality. Sorry Octopus but please stick to the truth 😞
@@NicolasRaimo The fact is that they ***can*** control my charger but they won't put it on the list! SyncEV has told me that their charger is used by Octopus customers despite not being on the list. It has a dummy mode to allow this. The problem is with Octopus' intransigence. As I previously explained, I am not wanting to go on the IO tariff but the OIG tariff. There is a difference. If I had a pound for every email sent to Octopus about this ..... They simply will not respond except to refer to their list and ignore my query. In any case, I don't need to use IOG to charge the car!!!!!!!
It’s a complex deal if you think you can do better start a UA-cam channel or maybe watch it again till you understand however it might be beyond you with troll comments like that
Received my first Intelligent Octopus bill today. For the past 4 weeks I was charged £12 to run my car (several hundred miles). Big fan!
Great video Nicolas. Just dipping into the EV world - car ordered, energy supplier changed, Wallport Pulsar Max charger installed ready (going to be using Octopus Go and went for the Wallport because 3G/4G is appalling so I've got wifi). Will probably reach out when the car arrives. Very informative - thank you from a not so confused any longer newbie 👍👍👍
Psst o too will allow you to add my refferal code to get £50 for switching
@NicolasRaimo Done my friend 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
The tariff i like best is the one we all used to have in 2019. 12p / kWh all day, all night. Didn't have to think about any of this bs. People just accept these 40p / kWh peak rates now like it's the norm. We're being ripped off!
Global energy prices went up not just the UK prices, Energy market isn't a monopoly and everyones prices went up, prices are falling again
or the tariff we had in 1980 of 4p per kWh? Or shall we start living in the real world ?
@@patdbean that's a very liberal lefty way to handle an argument. Take something someone says and then attempt to make them look wrong by over exaggerating. Just makes you look dumb. The price change between 1980 and 2019 is NOT the same as the price change between 2019 and now. Maybe use your brain before commenting?
I switched her to Intelligent Go when I got my BMW iX1 a couple of months ago. I’m still trying to get it to work properly and reliably.
It really doesn’t play at all nicely with the BMW App, which is set to “Charge Immediately”, as advised by Octopus. Then, IG sets a schedule, and the BMW just charges immediately anyway, even though the schedule is for several hours later. I can’t find out how much I’m being charged for this.
I have one of the BP Pulse chargers, which they’ve stopped selling and only do warranty calls now.
I’m going to have to go back to the 4 hours only standard Go tariff I think, even though Octopus say that the iX1 is supported.
Very, very disappointing and frustrating.
I switched to IO on Thursday with my VW ID.3 with software 3.0, slightly bewildering to begin with but got the hang of it now all pretty straightforward. My daytime rate has actually reduce from 40p to 35p too.
Hi, I’m getting an ID3 this week. I currently only have the three pin “ granny charger” so will be using the cars API. Did you use this method and any issues?
Hi Nick, just come across your UA-cam and feel envious about your ability to absorb all the details regarding EV’s. I’ve just started using an EV and so far the journey has been most frustrating and disappointing. Zero support from car seller, Ohme and Octopus to explain how we use and configure the variety of Apps linked to our vehicle. I’m a Motability customer and written to them to complain there’s nothing to support a newbie. I was hoping you’d be interested in doing something to help those of us less able. Best regards Dave
Hey David I try cover everything like this on the channel as much as I can if there’s something I’ve missed let me know and I’ll try make something about it, what car did you get?
Was on OI but moved back to Agile now as the prices have come way down. Average useage on OI was around 22p kwh on Agile between 16-18p kWh.
Am at 12p on IO with car charging and 20p without so not worth risk for me on agile with a small 5kwh battery and time needed to plan the charging each day
Thanks for this Nicholas, just bought an Audi Q4 ETron and it comes with an Ohme charger (to be fitted) so I'll definitely be moving to Octopus for this, my main query was whether that cheap rate was applicable across the whole house usage and it seems it is, bonza!
Please consider using my referral link we will split £100
Clear as mud
There's a joke in here about the name of the deal and how complex it is to understand requires its name
As usual straight to the point without ‘fluff’, thanks again for your work. Questions if I may
* I have the original OHME charger am I right in thinking that it will still interact with IO?
* So I’m on IO and plug the car in but restricted the car not to charge above 80%, and say the car is at 70% would I still get any of the additional low tariff for the hour out of the off peak hours once the car gets to 80% ( that is out of the 6 hrs off peak)
* if the car is not plugged in does the,house still get the daily 6hrs off peak?
Many thanks in advance.
Robert
Yes original Ohme
If you told it you only needed 10% charge it would only schedule hours needed for that amount so if that wasn’t till 7am your car wouldn’t charge at all during 23:30-5:30 so you’d get extra slot.
Clearly I didn’t explain video well enough if your last question came up which is sad as I was really hoping I made it short enough to make sense while giving all the info. So yes you get the 6 hours every single day your on intelligent
I’ve just moved onto IO, as the Go renewal was at 9p night rate and IO at 7.5p. At the moment I’m managing the day charging by checking the Octopus app for the schedule and setting the Zappi to Eco for the duration. That’s great while the sun’s out and I’d be charging anyway. Come autumn I’ll just send my charging request later in the day I think and see how that works. The six hours will really help me, as my car’s charge rate goes down to around 6kWh or even less after the first hour for some unknown reason…
Would flux or agile not be better for you as a solar customer
@@NicolasRaimo even in the summer I’m a net importer. Have had to night charge one of the cars a couple of times over the last few weeks even with the weather we’ve had
@@Dominic_Bolton how much is imported? And could you store your solar for peak times and maybe your average would be better? Agile is likely a winner currently as it’s tracking the fall in wholesale energy more closely however by same token if they increase it will follow that
@@NicolasRaimo about 5,000kW a year I reckon. I only ever import on the night rate
I can’t get my head around Agile… does it have a low night rate, or are you at the mercy of the wholesale market 24/7? I think it’s too risky, as I can’t react quickly enough to take advantage. I never export either, too many places to send it
@@Dominic_Bolton typically electric is cheaper at night but not fixed cheap hours I’ll try get a video about it ;)
I'm an EV user and bought a ohme charger which is compatible with octopus intelligence, spend less than £15 to run my car for the month. Super cheap, Only problem is my washing machine doesn't have a timer 😢
Try a smart plug. Works for my dishwasher which is without a timer
@@JT-qg4ol thanks for the suggestion, I did, and it turns the washer on, but alas that's all it does you still need to hit the start button to resume or start washing.
Hi Nick, (and all) I'm new to EV charging but have just bought a used EV car. I'm on a standard Octopus tariff but will look to move shortly to either their Intelligent, Agile or Go tariff. We don't have solar or battery yet but would look to getting these in 2 -4 years time. I initially was looking at Ohme Home Pro charger as I've learnt from you it can cope with the aforementioned Octopus tariffs. I was getting confused when you said I must have the car plugged in and charging from 5pm, to make use of the dropped price of wholesale energy being supplied by Octopus -What if I'm not back from work till 6pm or 7pm or does it not matter that the car is not plugged in and charging to be able - sorry if I've missed something obvious?
Also, if I'm thinking of getting solar down the road would I be better off going for a MyEnergi Zappi EV charger now instead which would tie in other energy products ? However, I am not sure if the Zappi can cope with the new Octopus agile tariffs. I have emailed MyEnergi regarding their EV compatibility with these tariffs this evening and am just waiting for their reply.
Great informative videos by the way! Kind Regards Brian
Hello, did you get a reply from my energi? Did they say that they were compatible with certain tariffs?
surprisingly for me (north birmingham) British gas electric driver tariff is slightly cheaper than octopus go on day rate, night rate and standing charge :)
whats your podcode? as when I check octopus cheaper! on all but peak but the offpeak cheaper and longer this is before we get into debate about british gas NOT being a green energy deal;
I also tried some B'ham postcodes and ALL are cheaper with octopus!
POSTCODE: b781aa
British Gas
Electricity
Standing charge: 48.403p per day*
Peak unit rate: 39.033p per kWh
Off Peak unit rate: 9.400p per kWh
Octopus Intelligent
Night rate (23:30 - 05:30):
7.5p / kWh
Day rate (05:30 - 23:30):
39.27p / kWh
Standing charge:
48.66p / day
Octopus Go
Unit rate (04:30 - 00:30):
39.27p/ kWh
Unit rate (00:30 - 04:30):
9.50p/ kWh
Standing Charge:
48.66p/ day
I've just gone to Intelligent using my Ohme charger. How do we get alerted that we could run the dishwasher or tumble dryer in the extra hours? How far in advance would we found out?
Ohme now sends a trigger notification when you plug-in with extra hours
Hi, i have octapus app on my daughters phone. but to get octopus intelligent cheaper i am not able to download in an android phone could you explain why it is not working.
I have a Tesla and charger - all compatible with IOG. Unfortunately IOG is not compatible with IOG. The test charge fails every time. Yes, I have asked Octopus about it 😴
Your trying to connect the car to the system? Has the car got a good signal to the interest where you park? as in if you park car and try use LIVE camera view or Spotify is it working?
@@NicolasRaimo Everything works as normal here at home - except Octopus test charge. I have used OG for two years without problems but despite everything being fine - Octopus cannot cope with IOG.
Despite a member of their staff assuring me that I should re-apply to join IOG, they still refused me access. They have very mixed-up policies and staff do not appear ready to discuss Octopus-induced problems even with other staff. I charge the EV routinely using OG but they tell me that my car can't be controlled by Octopus (oh yes it can) so they refuse me access despite the evidence. So, they installed my heat pump (which after 2 months they should have it completed tomorrow morning), but the huge power drain is still not allowed on IOG. Leaves me only one option to consider ....... 😞
What car is it?
Squire - you would not believe how many times I have gone around this circle. I charge the car routinely on OG.@@NicolasRaimo The Hyndai Kona EV charges perfectly. The wall charger has a dummy mode permitting total control by Octopus and the manufacturers tell me others are using this normally. I have stopped attempting to talk to Octopus about it because it is too stressful. With a heat pump and batteries taking oodles of power at max cost all day, it seemed like a reasonable request. To repeat, one member of Octopus staff emailed me to confirm my car was eligible.
I have Etron 55 quattro. Im struggling to connect to octopus intelligent. Its not detecting the car for test charge. Any advice would be appreciated
After two months of trying to get my 2019 kia e niro plugged into OI Octopus have suggested it won't work because it does not support Kia Connect. Roll on Myenergi full support of OI where I can let the charger take control.
Can you please update, what setting should I keep on ohme charger to get the full advantage of intelligent tariff,
I've been following your videos in preparation to leaving (expensive after Jan 1st! ) EDF E7 for OI (I'll use your link) One question though after watching this video. I have A Tesla MY and Tesla wall connector-- if I opt out of registering the car API (as you suggest) can the Tesla Wall Cnctr work with OI?( It doesn't really state this on the O website as you have to put the car model into the checker first) NOTE: the Wall Connector is online and can control the charging of the car (I usually use that in preference to the car function)
I don’t think Tesla wall connector is a support charger so your need to pick the car! This is better than not having either though just if you have choice of either charger wins
Just transferred to Octoxpus, first EV due beginning of March. Narrowed by charger choice to Hypervolt 3 Pro fitted by OVO (don't do Zappi) or local installer doing Zappi for £100 more.
Which to choose?
Evnick.com/charge list of reviews but hypervolt can’t do intelligent octopus which gets cheaper rate I did a video about intelligent vs ovo anytime if interested also. Did you use a refferal code or mine to join if not ask them to assign mine if I helped you join and we split £100
Bonus hrs is not working for me. How do I set up the charger (Ohme Home Pro) to get this bonus hrs? I used your code... You would have gotten the commission in October or November 23. 😀
Might be better using Twitter to message me or contact form on evnick.com… octopus.energy/intelligent-ohme-faqs/ that guide should explain it all try them steps first
Surely, if you needed to use the car whilst it is charging on IO, you would have to stop the charge in order to do so.
Yea…? Why would that matter
Intelligent Octopus Go is a complete nightmare if you have 2 EV's.
If I setup the tariff directly to the car, it recommends deleting your Ohme account and effectively turning it into a dumb charger, so my 2nd EV will only dumb charge
If I setup the tariff via the Ohme charger then this also gets confused with having 2 EV's and doesn't charge my 2nd EV correctly. It assigns a IOG schedule to my 2nd EV which is not setup for it, and then when the IOG schedule charges my 2nd EV outside the 6hr low rate it charges me higher rate..
Ohme before the IOG integration would favour charging in the low rate hours, now it does not. This will cause me to pay more to charge my 2nd EV than it did before.
I can get around this by manually telling the Ohme charger to only charge my 2nd EV in the low rate hours, but I travel a lot for work so It doesn't charge enough inside these hours in most instances
I wish inside the Ohme app you could have 2 separate schedules dedicated to each EV. One links to IOG schedule and the other doesn't, and uses Ohme's schedule..
I feel there is an awful lot of work to be done to refine this process before EV's get pushed onto every day folk
just set the ohme to the car with largest battery and plug in either of the 2 cars forget the fancy app stuff in ohme, or set it up with no API
Congratulations to VW for messing this up for everyone that’s been upgraded to v3.2. Paused charging was fixed in 3.0, and now messed up again on 3.2.
Another reason I prefer charger control over car
@@NicolasRaimo it still won't work. If the charger sends a pause signal to the car, the car won't restart the charge because it thinks there's a charging fault. It’s also affecting people charging with solar on Zappi’s. Apparently, 3.0 allowed up to 9 interruptions before the car would reject a charge.
@@NicolasRaimoon the contrary this sort of issues when the car is not in control and the power it receives from the charger isn't what it expects. Scheduling charges from the ID3 works 💯 now
@@andycanon1t will work if you control from the car. Agree that's obviously no good for solar.
Issue is peak rate when I want to charge daytime. This is due to my solar giving free power daytime.
See my other video… better to export solar than use it if on outgoing octopus 🐙
OI and go are far too expensive on the peak rates. I just switched to agile, much cheaper than peak rate and often cheaper than off-peak. OI and go only work for high milage drivers now.
Ill check agile but can you give an example of differing rates. I know years back it was cheaper then it got very expensive plus also required a lot of fiddling with times.
It kinda depends... IO better for me than agile for the extra hours and easy scheduling specially with a battery. Agile requires more work on my part to load shift and keep an eye on everything. Am a low mileage EV users but also currently NOT charging at home as we are over producing solar at work with no export currently so may as well charge both my EVs at work. 5kwh battery only charging on intelligent Octopus is giving me an average unit cost of 19p a kwh thats with NO car charging, with car charging it was 12p a kwh am happy paying under 20p a kwh
No idea why they make it so damn complex. Let me control my charge via my EV Charger. I just want the 6 hrs on Intelligent instead of the 4 on Go. Wrong car, wrong charger!
Electricity generation doesn't happen in set hours of the day, intelligent chargers the car when energy is the most abundant thats why its longer thats why its cheaper
I haven’t got my wall charger yet so charging with the 3 pin. Whenever I plug my car in and go to the octopus app, it’s sets up a schedule and just immediately starts charging until 8 am the next day. I assume that means I’ll get it at the cheaper rate?!
Nope
If you don't stop the charge outside of the prescribed hours you may be charged at the higher rate as i found out on my bill !
The car should only charge in hours octopus decide when you say prescribed hours do you mean 23:30-5:30 as octopus intelligent frequently charges outside of these hours for me and my bill always shows the lower rate. If your car isn't stopping the charge when octopus stop it that sounds like a car API issue as I assume your using the car as the ohme charger is faultless in starting and stopping charge
It worked on Sunday but on Monday when plugged in the car car was charged according to the Ohme schedule but I was charged at the higher rate. I don't think its an API issue but rather a bug with octopus.
@@casanwar1414 email octopus tell them they shud sort a refund
Would this Intelligent Octopus work with the following household...
All Electric Bungalow (no gas in the village) with Night Storage Heaters in 6 rooms (that need at least 8 hours of electricity to charge them up at night so they don't go cold during the evening) and an Electric Vehicle (BEV).
On the Intelligent Octopus Website for South West (Cornwall) the current rates (28/06/2023) are:
Night rate (23:30 - 05:30): 7.5p / kWh
Day rate (05:30 - 23:30): 40.2p / kWh
Standing charge: 56.64p / day
it should YES day rate drops on 1st of next month to 30p, you can use your night stroage on the cheap deal also
I have two cars, an EV6 and a MOKKA E plus a ZAPPI charger. All cars and ZAPPI are compatable
How do I add both cars
Just add the charger
Hi Nicolas - great content. I've just moved onto OI, you mentioned an extra 2 hours that can be used for any applicances, how can you tell when the extra 2 cheap hours are active? Thanks
When your car is allocated extra cheap rate the entire house gets it
@@NicolasRaimoHi Nick, how are customers notified about the additional hours? I have the Ohme App.
@@alistairlambert3275 hi - i just noticed when i plug the car in i get a dynamic charging notification from the ohme app - today it says 18:41-18:45 & 22:00-06:29 wonder if all of this would allow cheap rates for applicances or just part of it, will check times and costs once I get a few days usage. Loving the 1.6p per mile.
@@alistairlambert3275 currently for ohme its a push notification on your phone
@@NicolasRaimothanks, its a little bit of a pain though if you click on the notification accidentally or otherwise it removes the push notification, takes you to the Ohme app and shows nothing of the notification, Ohme have said "The App team is working on adding the copy into the app itself. " notifications will then be available on a more permanent basis.
Hey, wondering how much they charge for the 'initial' charge. Sometimes it's added 1 kWh before the plan is set up and initially charging stops.
You on a Tesla or car api? Your pay full rate for that sadly so 30p EV chargers don’t start at all
Tesla api yes. Ok, so I'll have to manually stop the charge every night to avoid it. Thank you.
@NicholasRaimo Here's a question then : in your given example, let's say Octopus starts charging my car (via the car'a API, no Ohme here) at 18:00 and I suddenly need to unplug and use the car at 19:00, what happens?
Do they see that as me stopping charge and went against their terms and conditions?
that’s fine you just won’t get any discounted charging rate
For hours your unplugged if you assume they allocated some between the times you weren’t plugged in
cannot connect octopus to my ohme charger, octopus cannot redirect to ohme site, any ideas please
I recall mine having an issue, you on google login?
I sent Octopus an email 3 days ago (24th July 23) after trying to call them and waiting to be connected for 48 mins.
Lines are jammed at the mo and so email system, I suspect all the new customer of bulb that have joined are calling to check the status of there credits etc
Hi Nick apart from home is there any other chargers you can recommend to use with Octopus ?
Currently only chargers that work with intelligent are the following… wallbox, Ohme…. I’ve been told more are coming soon likely myenergi then indra… how long who knows
So , how do you stop your Givenergy battery charging your car at any time really , can you block it with the ohme charger?
Sadly No, Ohme API is closed so you can't tune anything to see it and stop charging you'd manually have to tell your givenergy unit NOT to depending on time that was allocated to you. Don't worry I have suggested some fix's to Ohme and Octopus for this am sure something will come of it. A fix for you would be have the CT clamp for the givenergy LOAD be on the home side if your tails are split serpately for EV charger
@@NicolasRaimo thanks, keep up the good work
Hi, what charger do you recommend? Looking to join intelligent octopus from agile, currently have 330e phev. Thanks
Your options are limited if you want intelligent check out evnick.com/charge
How on earth do I know when the market rates are low or there's an event on so I can make use of the lower rate during off peak hours.
Octopus charger will schedule
@@NicolasRaimo Thank you, that was nice and easy. I'm considering moving over as BG don't offer lower rates in my area.
@@hajirpirouzfar9481 you need a compatible car or charger for intelligent if you can’t get intelligent however GO is suitable don’t forget to use evnick.com/energy for splitting £100 with me when you sign up also all deals listed
Does anyone know if it’s just the Ohme that is compatible with with OI? I also have solar so was looking at Zappi? Getting ID.4 but understand there may be some issues with compatibility
I have an ID.3 with a Wallbox Pulsar plus all works fine.
Can you get on intelligent if you have an ev charger but no car
The deal is to charge your EV so charging the EV in the terms so no
Hi Nick I’m just switching to OI and have 2 EV Cars , 1 a tesla which I know is perfect for OI the other is Volvo XC40 Fully Electric which if I’m correct can still charge but will have to do it manually or would I be better to move to Eon Next Tariff?
What EV charger you got? if a compatible charger then both cars will work on IO no issue, if not pick tesla and when charging the volvo just set it to only charge between 11:30-5:30 that way your still get 7.5p electric if your not an octopus energy customer please consider using my link at evnick.com/energy so we can split £100
@@NicolasRaimo coming from BG Hive Tariff and EV charger is a Hive Alfen charger can I still add your code if moving to OI on 31st Aug
@@Thecardetailingnut you can indeed if you just signed up email them with my code and ask them to assign it they normally do this without issue as I assume my videos made you move over
The car is a Hyundai Kona Premium 64 and is claimed by octopus to be incompatible despite being fully able to leave control of charging to Octopus. Their own staff quote the following: "I assure you that the Intelligent Octopus Go tariff is compatible with your heavy heat pump, domestic battery, and ***electric car use***. I will personally look into this matter and ensure that you are provided with the correct information and assistance to switch to the Intelligent Octopus Go tariff." I despair of getting anyone at Octopus to listen to the facts.
They are correct Hyundai doesn’t work on intelligent octopus your need a compatible charger or car and that car isn’t part of there control system
You are so wrong. Their staff have already agreed that my car is compatible. @@NicolasRaimo
It’s not on the list they originally had Kia and it got removed, Hyundai was almost on list it went to beta and dropped
@@NicolasRaimo The left hand of Octopus tells me that I can join; the right hand of Octopus refuses to let me in. Meanwhile, I charge my car with Octopus Go ...... and also their heat pump and also .....
@@lawrenceharris1819 Hyundai isn’t on system currently checked a few methods they trailed it for a short period and it wasn’t behaving. Leads into my other video where I discuss having charger support is better than car support also Ford had an issue just before new year video on that in channel playlist also
I have a charger that i am pretty sure is eligible but its out of wifi range so id need to get an extender if i can find one that works (i have in the past tried and failed). My car may ir may nit be eligible see the comments in here on Kia. Are they eligible? Dunno.
Also the extra hours dont really work for me as i dont usually need them nor do i usually want to (say) switch my cooker on at 5am just tomorrow. Plus theres so much scope for things to go wrong or just be misunderstood as it has done with many customers.
Go is far simpler, you know the hours, you can time appliances to fit them so its not only the car, and its very easy knowing exactly what my car will charge to and can take into account a long trip a couple of days ahead. I also don't have to be constantly looking to see if i can switch my dishwasher (say) on at a different time just for tomorrow.
Also what if i dont want my car charged when octopus deem it should be? Or if its above say 90%? Are octopus monitoring that and will penalise me? Can they tell difference between car stopped charging because full/at limit/driver stopped it? Will they make mistakes?
TLDR Too much hassle, too complex, too much room for glitches and snags not enough upside .
Currently as of writing this the only chargers on the list are Ohme and wallbox, some are due soon however, which wallbox do you have?
Needing it not needing isn’t really the point it’s more the fact it helps the grid balance better you also get a slightly cheaper offpeak rate.
As I said in intelligent you still get the 11:30-5:30 rates every day so just set appliances for them hours every day regardless if you get extra hours.
@@NicolasRaimo i have a Wallbox. Not sure if the model matters. But its out of wifi range and ive failed once already to get an extender to work, i use bluetooth to update the software on it via my phone
So if i am reading you correctly I will have to plug my car in every day is that right? At present its usually once or twice a week. But i could set my car to (say) 80% max would that be ok for intelligents ts and cs?
Back of a fag packet estimate of savings. Say i use 3000 kWh a year. So id save 2p a kWh over Go?£60.
What could go wrong that would cause octopus to charge me extra? Forget to plug my car in occasionally? (That leads to another q how can they distinguish between me being away or being home but not plugging my car in? Example im currently away all this week. Would they penalise me? If not, how can they penalise me if im at home but not plugged in?
I will stick with Octopus agile it is much cheaper for me.
HI Ray, Agile is a rough with smooth type deal sometimes its much better than intelligent and other times it can be the most expensive deal out on the market. Its also down to if it can fit around your tech and lifestyle for me with a child and a battery that doesn't have a link with agile it would be a pain in the bottom.
Hi Nick excellent video, I’m not very technical, do u have any information on how to set up the ohme app with octupus intelligence with my Tesla. I’ve got a sparky coming to fit the charger next week. Which app do I set the charge up on? Thanks mate.
Basicly download Ohme app, then tell octopus you want to use the charger don’t tell them you have a Tesla best to use charger means you can use 2 or more cars then…. There’s some tiny extra steps like don’t set a price limit and tell Ohme what % chArge you’d like when plugged in but that’s it
@@NicolasRaimo top man. I’m worried about the set up, Hope It’s straight forward. Do u have an email I can directly message you on? Thanks again. Top man
@@NicolasRaimo do I have to do anything with the Tesla app or the car itself ?
Or the octupus app?
@@zidiqbal8309 octopus take you threw it it’s quite basic.
If not not a customer yet signup evnick.com/energy £100 split between us
Click you want to join intelligent and download octopus app and create Ohme login.
Octopus app will ask you to link Ohme to them so you login with Ohme login and then that’s basically it.
Leave car as is
Hello, not sure if this is a problem or not, charged a total of 46kw since having the car over a period of 10 days. The Octopus intelligent gives me a scheduled time say 1am till 4.30am, ( I'm plugging in the car at 5pm the previous day) the car seems to charge straight away even though its been scheduled and it will charge till 100% eg 2-4 hours say between 5pm and 9pm. Does this mean that I'm still being charged off peak times? Looking at thr bmw app says used 6kw to charge but the Octopus app is telling me I've only charged 0.94kw in the past 12 hours 🤯. Any help please
I'm also using a normal 3 pin granny charger. Cheers
Get a prober charger you shouldn't be using a granny charger as your full time home charger video on why here ua-cam.com/video/No04dF7cwDc/v-deo.html The octopus API should schedule the charge and control it when it sets the hours to charge you get the cheap rate so if octopus say it will start charging from 5pm till 1am your get cheap rate however if the app isn't scheduling this sounds like its not working correctly so email them.
What happens if you want to use the car in the evening? Not that it affects me with a dumb charger and dumb EV.
Just use the car… plug in again and it will reschedule
It’s called “ intelligent octopus”
@@NicolasRaimo Ok, I currently use a Shelly timer to charge 00:30-04:30 on Octopus Go.
@@darrenduffy170 Counts me out.
@@peterball8241 what car do you have
Octopus Intelligent no good if you have two or more EVs.
It’s fine for me… use the charger not the car
Sorry but I strongly dislike your above comment about customers supposedly throwing money away by choice. The truth is quite the opposite. Despite having an EV, a charger, a heat pump and domestic batteries, Octopus *refuses* to let us join IO on fictitious grounds that do not stand the test of reality. Sorry Octopus but please stick to the truth 😞
You can’t go on IO unless they control when it chargers so I assume your EV, charger isn’t on the list
@@NicolasRaimo The fact is that they ***can*** control my charger but they won't put it on the list! SyncEV has told me that their charger is used by Octopus customers despite not being on the list. It has a dummy mode to allow this. The problem is with Octopus' intransigence. As I previously explained, I am not wanting to go on the IO tariff but the OIG tariff. There is a difference. If I had a pound for every email sent to Octopus about this ..... They simply will not respond except to refer to their list and ignore my query. In any case, I don't need to use IOG to charge the car!!!!!!!
Talk about an overly confusing video. Go away and try that one again fella
It’s a complex deal if you think you can do better start a UA-cam channel or maybe watch it again till you understand however it might be beyond you with troll comments like that