Fixing Game of Thrones Season 8
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- A commentary video where we look into the best ways in fixing Game of thrones season 8. The biggest issues that I take a look at are the long night, Night king, mad queen, and the ending of the show.
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Dany didn't break the wheel by Drogon destroying the throne, she just added more wheels with Bran's wheelchairs
Lmao
Hahahahahhahah
'I mean, only bran can become king now anyhow. REmember that dragon burned the chair, Bran brings his own'.
True hahaha
@@Folsomdsf2 oh my im laughing so hard, my grandma looking at me
Months later: “hey guys welcome to fixing season 8 part 17”
Hahahaha
🤣
Jim Martin more like part 30
No no he has a point part 17
And I'm expecting at least 10 more parts
D&D: “Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet.”
No, she didn’t. You did
The directing and script failed to show and specify all the dramatic beats in this scene, but storywise it made sense especially when you rewatch the season a second time. It was established in the previous season that Dragonstone would be the port where Daeneris would arrive from Essos with his fleet as it was made of protected bays shield by rock sea mountains. Daenirs was basically ambushed by the iron fleet that was hidden behind these rocks as it was the perfect defense and ambush spot as previously established.
@@miguelrosado6348stop making sense of bullshit
*The Iron throne is destroyed*
Bran: nah fam I brought my own chair
This was the best won yet, lol
That's why he became the king!
"You could've had Melisandre falling in battle, instead of having her turn into the embodiment of season 8" LMAOOO I DIED
I read this as he was saying it at the same time and I laughed way too hard at it !
@@moonlight-im8ik wtf! Same
Melisandre absolutely needs to die by ritual suicide after completing her final "purpose". The problem is, she doesn't have any, so she does it after lighting an unrelated Dothraki army's swords for some reason. Season 8 needed the gods/prophecies to play a bigger role. Rhyllor's motivation for Jon/Dany, some final Arya Faceless deception, the Old Gods patient masterplan, the Seven's peasant rebellions getting utterly crushed, and the Night King briefly taking the throne.
@@RandomGuy-ls3nm yeah. Melissandre could have sacrificed herself taking out most of the army of the dead. Using her magic, fire powers etc. That could have been her contribution.
I lost it hahaha
"There is still more issues that need to be taken care of."
*shows Euron*
lol
imagine if they only did book Euron.
A FINGER IN DA BUM!
People forget that book Euron is the literal antichrist.
What if, when Daenerys is looking at Rhaegal slowly dying in King's Landing, she hears the citizens cheering and throwing stuff at it to hurt it more. Then she becomes the Mad Queen, with anger towards the people of King's Landing too.
@@itxongphan9567 But he was talking about Euron, what does dany have to do with that? besides you just copied the exact same comment from someone else here
Bro Euron in the series was so dissapointing.
I love how they spent 7 seasons building Jon up to defeat the night king and then they just forget about it so they can “subvert expectations”
«Haha, we got you a piece of shit to stare at on the screen rather than the ending you wanted. Bet you didn’t see that coming, oh how shocking.»
He did defeat the night king.
@@darkwolf4434 no he didnt, he was running from a dragon when arya did.
@@littlehhh4338was not exactly running was he
The problem with all this stuff is that the Night King is entirely the invention of Dan & Dave. At this moment he is not a canon character. The Showrunners switched the emphasis from George's story to this zombie army schtick (possibly to attract the moms and NFL players they were so keen on). And that, basically, is the whole problem with the end of the long night in season 8. They kinda forgot that they had to bring George's story to a conclusion too, so ended up curtailing both that and their own zombie story in their haste to reach the exit door marked Disney riches, which then ironically got slammed in their faces, trapping them in their own dumpster fire.
I remember, when season 8 was close to being released, I was predicting that the Night King would conqueror all of the North and push his way South. It would be then that both sides, Lannister and Stark/Targ, would see the greater evil and join forces to battle against the dead. Not only was I wrong, I was disappointed
My thoughts exactly. So often it has been mentioned on how all the squabbling houses don't matter, on how the only way Westeros can survive is by uniting together and on how this isn't only a northern war but a southern one as well. And in the end it had 0 consequences for the south. Hell it even didn't have any real consequences for Daenerys either seeing how easily she took King's Landing.
What if, when Daenerys is looking at Rhaegal slowly dying in King's Landing, she hears the citizens cheering and throwing stuff at it to hurt it more. Then she becomes the Mad Queen, with anger towards the people of King's Landing too.
yeah this is actually pretty good , proves anybody can write better than d&d .
That would be so much better
love this idea
You could have the people clamber on top of it (as they probably would) and try to mutilate it's corpse.
GENIOOS
George R R Martin should’ve killed off D&D
😂😂😂
d&d.. dungeons and dragons? :P i dont get it
kevin Jongerden d&d means dan and david who are the writers of the show
Agree. And he will avenge Stannis for what Dumb and Dumber did to his character.
Lmao I hope he writes them in one of the future books if they come out. Like just minor characters maybe even make them town drunks.
Arya killing the nightking is like
Ginny killing voldemort
Arwen throwing the ring in the lava
Radagast killing azog
Han solo killing palpatine
bran killing cersei
Emeor killing saruman
Skylar white cooking meth with hiesenberg
Hitler marrying anne frank
Eomer killing Saruman would've been cool
@@sakurasfish2115 Yes and no.
@@starkiller0506 He had to see saruman poisoning rohan and his king and then he got exiled because of it...but yeah saruman hurt so many ppl prob eomer didn't deserve the kill...i'm talking about movies btw in the books more stuff happened
Or Gabi killing Eren
Oh wait...........
What was surprising to me, was the director of the long night actually wanted to kill more characters in the Long Night to have more impact on the viewers AND he also wanted to fix the lighting in the episode because he agreed that it was too dark. D&D shut him down for BOTH of those ideas😑
Jon Snow: Why did the Lord of Light bring me back?
Melisandre: IDK, because he felt like it? Oh and Arya is gonna kill the Night King BTW
Ain't that the truth lol.
Melisandre: your little half sister is going to kill the night king, it would mean a lot for her of you showed up
No it was so that he could do nothing for ages and then yell at a dragon GoD dO yOu EvEn WaTcH tHe ShOw
D&D: "well we kinda forgot jon got resurrected, and was meant to have a purpose"
oh no i just realised there was ZERO reason to revive John, actually zero
The night is dark, and full of errors.
Mister Morgan now that is a definite kek right there
@Sanyam Kumar 😹😹😹
Even with the things he fixed which I liked the long night has terrible battle plan like the dolfraki charging for no reason at and he doesn’t change it
I expected this comment and was still pleasantly enerertained when I found it. See d&d you don't have to subvert expectations
underrated comment
Hell, I was more upset than Dany was when Rhaegal died! And I was furious. That was the moment the show was ruined for me, forever. Your ending is far better.
Totally agree, that was the moment I said "fuck this shit".
It was so out of the blue and not in an 'awesome twist' way. Just a scene before they were talking about traveling somewhere with the dragons and the next one they killed it as if it's some secondary character.
I even paused the video and checked the player to see if i skipped something by mistake or downloaded a cut episode
Finally, at least someone said that all humans had to work together to defeat the White Walkers! This was the main theme of the seventh season! Leave differences behind, unite and have hope to win ... or continue to hate each other and lose.
I'm so glad you touched on that first point!
A big change I would've wanted for over a year now is for the night king to win the battle in episode 3, then everybody would have to flee south, begging Cersei for help, and Dany would kill him, but destroy King's Landing along with it. The people resent her for her actions and the throne would actually go to Jon afterwards
That would be such a poetic ending for Danny.
A buddy of mine had the idea of the Night King skipping Winterfell altogether. They wanted to subvert expectations, there you go. Now the northern army is playing catch up to the undead and the Golden Company has to fight the undead while waiting for the North to arrive and help/save them.
That's exactly what I wanted to happen, I was just about to comment and then saw yours XD
@@mattrobinson4663 Yeah it's an idea of plot I already saw multiple times and it allows for the white walkers to be the ultimate series threat. It would also have make Cersei's hustle comes back to her face as she would then believe that her not helping the North made the army of the dead be able to reach King's Landing. And her dying to the Night King, even if not really climatic, would still have been a better death than the one she got (it's not really difficult to beat, even her getting instakilled by the Hound instead of bypassing freely would have make more sense than this).
The other plothole it would have fix would have been Daenerys going mad. Really I can't find good reasons for her to turning mad in such little time compared to 7 seasons of sanity. She sometimes made harsh decisions that can sound cruel like bruning the Tarlys (making politically important targets as lords your prisonners doesn't mean you will allow everyone who doesn't bent the knee to follow the same path, they would just burn because of being nobodies, that's something she forgot when making this decision). But those decisions were always having a logic behind even if twisted sometimes like I stated before.
The aftermath of this could have been her understanding in some way that she shouldn't try to rule a people that despise her, and go back to the Esos cities she ruled back then. I mean this is a lesson she should have get by witnessing Jorah's actions toward her. He was the character who loved her the most in the purest love, and never forced anything on her, even if that meant no answer from her.
The only thing I liked about ep 3 is the white walkers walking through the gate looking like badasses ( little did they know of their uselessness).
Spitting facts my dude, Arya killing The Night King even though she hasn't even interacted with him is the equivalent to Jon Snow Killing Cersei, it makes absolutely no sense
Jee wiz, you're everywhere
You just repeated what the video says😑😑
yeah hold up, did you comment on a Dead Meat video? 😭😂
It does make sense. It doesn't THEMATICALLY make sense. In other words, it isn't satisfying writing. Logic checks out though; Jon is the commander of the assaulting army and could well deal the finishing blow.
Yes, I have nothing better to do this wet morning than argue grammar.
Defence: I'm a writer and good grammar is important. As are satisfying, thematically coherent stories. Of course, I can think of two screenwriters who clearly disagree with me...
7:42 I think Edmure hitting his sword on the tent pillar was a mistake when shooting, but they left it in because it was funny. You can even see Sam trying not to laugh because it wasn’t supposed to happen.
Daenerys should've taken King's landing and killed Cersei around the end of season 6, then season 7 should've been Jon and her bonding and then season 8 just White walkers, if they wanted mad queen that's 9th season...
I just wish they completed Jaime's character arc by having him kill cersei
Jaime's arc was never meant to be completed. Sure, he is a better man, but he just cannot get over his love for Cersei. I still believe Jaime had one of the best arcs tho.
in the books there’s some kind of prophecy that is translated to say that Cersei was killed by “the little brother” (may have been why she hated Tyrion) but Jaime was also born slightly after her so I hoped that one of them would kill her
@@theasiandude7885 "Jaime's arc was never meant to be completed" - What!? Do you know what an arc is? Everyone's arc is meant to be completed, the reason they're not is just bad writing, because the writers are hacks who can't even imagine a conclusion to someone else's superior story.
In the books it is heavily forshadowed that Jaime will kill Cersei, as there's a prophecy that she will be killed by her younger brother which she thinks means Tyrion but is actually most likely Jaime (he is a few minutes younger than Cersei). That would actually make sense, and GRRM isn't just going to change it to something dumb at the last minute to 'subvert your expectations huehue' because he's not a hack.
@Richard V. Small Jaime's arc shows the limits of Redemption. Sure he has been a better person, but he just cannot overcome his love/addiction for Cersei. It's a thing called Broken Redemption. If you want a complete Redemption, look at Theon. Not at Jaime. Now, I feel that Jaime running back at Cersei could have been played better, Jaime's action makes sense than most people would admit. I also think it would be the same ending for Jaime in the books, although with a different/better circumstance, since GRRM shared the ending of the Main Characters to D&D.
@@theasiandude7885 I can tell you one thing for sure. In the books, Jaime might return to Cersei one last time (probably to kill her), but it certainly won't be to give her a quick embrace and die a totally pointless death after claiming not to give a single fuck about innocents, and having a quick shag with Brienne that made him gain his sister boner back.
The writers are so stupid that they cannot transmit Bran's wisdom and intellectual power through his dialogues, he speaks as if he were an elderly man and has an air of superiority, but his speeches and actions show incongruity.
Oh my yes! "you looked so beautiful at your wedding night? " damn. Really. She is his sister.
I remember before season 8, that there was a rumor going around. At the battle of Winterfell, the Night King didn't actually show. That his army was there, and Jon and co fought his massive army, and after a brutal battle they won. However, no Night King. We then find out that the Night King went straight past them, going to Kings Landing, and burning the city down (fulfilling Dany's vision) and creating a new, larger army from them. That would have been so much better than what we got.
The mad queen arc still would have made no sense because there really wasn't much of a hint throughout any of the series that Danaris was going crazy, and her sudden shift would have still felt off. Yes, with your explanation, she'd feel the pain of losing her second child, but with how we've seen Danny throughout the series, that was not a good enough reason for her to suddenly murder civilians. Honestly, the mad queen arc should have just been removed all together, OR they needed to start showing her become ruthless in season 7, showing her start to kill innocent people, where the first few times, she'd justify it, but we the audience could see the seed being planted and watch it slowly begin to flourish.
My problem is not how they killed the night king but how they handled the whole white Walkers plotline
True, they couldve given it the conclusion it deserved. Unfortunately it was flushed down the toilet with all other good things.
They should've just had them doing some guerilla warfare, taking out individual white walkers and collapsing their army that way. Would've been better than the shitty single battle that didnt even last a night
@@primary2630 guirella wouldn't work against walkers, they wouldn't need to ever split up their army, just march forward and wipe every human city, because undead don't need supplies, they don't eat, drink, sleep or need warmth.
Though it could have been easily killed with army of horse archers after killing ice dragon
@@primary2630 The problem with trying to whittle down a dead army is there's always more recruits. The more people you lose trying to bring down sections of the massive onslaught of undead, the more fuel you're adding to that onslaught. I think the single battle worked in the sense that it was an all-or-nothing, life-or-death battle; you either killed the Night King, or he trampled you and continued south.
My issue is with the fact that there was literally 0 White Walker action in the battle itself, they just walked through and stood in the Godswood until Arya whisped right by them and took out NK. There should've been more WW fights within the waves, and once a couple drop and the army dwindles, NK decides it's time to enter the fray himself - we get the dragonfire immunity scene, then the Jon vs. NK scene where there's an ACTUAL fight before NK raises more undead and yeets out.
I was saddened that there wasn't even a genuine hand-to-hand combat scene regarding the Night King. Like really? You've been setting it up all this time, and just, he walks in, sees Bran, and just dies? No sword fight, and just an Arya stupidly screaming while doing a surprise attack that somehow managed to land (how did she sneak through all the other white walkers and whites? Hmmm)
Stannis was killed far too early. I would have loved to see how he combatted the White Walkers, since that was on his main agenda and he's famed as the one of Westeros's best generals.
This appears very likely to happen in the books, especially as Melisandre has seen him involved in a battle with them. He'll fight the White Walkers and his Lightbringer sword will shatter. He will die to the White Walkers following his sword breaking and thus, it's made clear he is not The Prince Who Was Promised.
A far more epic end for a complex character. Fuck D&D for writing the character out in such a shit way, killed by Brienne Of Tarth... ugh.
Yknow as much as I would love to see him in the battle, I'm kind of glad he wasnt in the battle because of the fact that their battle plans D&D wrote for them is so fucking idiotic it wouldve made stannis being there seem like a joke and make his character look dumb as he's meant to be a great general but cant see that this battle plan is retarded
He got the worst disrespect as well, an off screen death
#StannisLives
Freddie Cawston imagine Stannis as a walker
It wasn't the top priority but: I remember being floored at how LITTLE Cersei had to do. I can imagine Lena just looking thought each episode script and being like, "where are my lines?"
You're suggestions for the Night King and Mad Queen storyline gave me goosebumps just thinking about them and how ridiculously great they could turn out.
Cersei should have been the mad queen who blows the city, because the sound of bells triggers her (walk of shame, Remember? ) and she despises the people, but the lords accuse daenerys of burning the city because she is the daughter of Aerys. Or daenerys could just start off the fire accidentaly while trying to melt to the red keep after the troops having surrendered, and it would be a consequence to her for wanting revenge so fast and not controlling herself. either ways people will see her as the usurper that she always wanted to fight, especially after news spreading about jon being rhaegar's son, this has always been a part of her arc.
That's clever. The fire could be a trap set by Cersei, since she knows Dany would use her dragon.
this would also provide the perfect opportunity for Jaime to kill Cersei, whether he ends up dying or not. Killing either Cersei for burning down Kings Landing is a mirror of his killing of King Aerys and brings his arc full circle, is in character for his prioritization of innocents above all else, shows us he has grown to understand he is worth more than Cersei, with the bittersweet twist that he didn't recognize it in her earlier, so his greatest accomplishment (stopping Aerys for burning King's Landing) was undone by the blindness of his love for her. Bonus points if Jon finds him in the throne room like Ned did, only he doesn't immediately judge him and instead understands the choice (the whole duty vs love theme being brought up again).
@@user-xb5bz4fu9o wow. fuck, wow man. yes. this.
THAT IS WHAT WAS SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN, Wildfire from underneath the city was the one that burns down kings landing, the special effects team said originally it was wildfire, but last minute DnD asked it to change to dragonfire. Also Emilia Clarke was acting in those scenes, not knowing her character was going to be made a villain, she said she was very upset and didn’t know that that was going to happen. She just thought Dany was attacking JUST the Red Keep, and Dany burns a few innocents because Cersei put civilians in the red keep as protection, but Dany didn’t know that and eventually felt bad about the whole ordeal.
If Cersei lit the wildfire and burned everyone and then Jaime came in and killed her....that would've been a much, much better story
Don’t even bother, just give edmure the throne and it’s 100x better
Yes, Edmure for king!!
Not this duchebag!!
No! Hot Pie for King !!
1st act of policies: free gravy for everyone...
Heresy. He betrayed the Blackfish.
Lol black jack Randall (any outlander fans??)
I will never not find it hilarious that D&D found Bran’s story so boring (as did the rest of us) that they literally went an entire season without him. Then in the end they’re like “nooooo, he’s got the best story of all!”
You Sir, are a freaking genius. How is there any question about a part two?! Subscribed!
The nigh king shoud have been the last enemy.
In a huge battle at Kings' landing.
@Gilles Jacquemin Well, so they could have season for the WW and the final for the Dany's madness. But they prefer Star WARS.
@Gilles Jacquemin I wholly agree that they didn't value the actual title of the book series, but my perspective is that ice versus fire.
I don't think Dany will be mad, as her father probably wasn't as well. He just had a vision (Hodor style) of Dany fighting against WW and yelled to burn them all: the WW, not his people.
And I don't think any dragon should be dead before that. Three dragons, three (potencial) targeryens: Dany, Jon and Tyrion. One of the dragons is even smaller and it's stabilished from very early that Tyrion knows how to design special saddles.
Tyrion was robbed of his dragon. The final battle, ice versus fire, should indeed be i Kings Landing, three dragon riders leading the last defense against the WW.
That's how I imagined the white walkers to end years ago but the absolute bane of hack writing that embodies modern entertainment, subverted expectations happened
You could even fashion that into the lesson that those characters who are unable to suppress their hatred of others in face of the greater danger are consumed by it.
For example Cersei dying alone against the White Walkers in King's Landing, while the other characters form a tenuous alliance and beat them.
I've been saying exactly the same, make them lose horribly in EP 3 and let us experience the death of many characters, let us see how dire the situation is. Make the next episodes about fleeing from the dead, coping with the losses and stepping up battle efforts. Make them go to kings landing and let them negotiate with Cercei about teaming up. Then see if she agrees or not and how it does work. That's a 10 second idea I had and it's alread, a better premise than what they did
tywin,varys,tyrion and baelish's good conversations for 1-4 seasons straight
Robert rr martin's*
obviously, D&D are not as smart as Martin. So we could never have those lines.
"chaos is a laddah"
this man need to be dead. i think his mother is virgin
@@daxxark1165 fun fact:i can do the same voice of baelish idk how but i can do so i am spamming some of his conversations to myself loud like him
Solo acItaly that is not true...while season 8 was absolute dogshit, the writing of D&D in seasons 1-4 was good. It is true they took a lot of stuff from the books l, but they did create new things too..one of my favourite scenes from the entire show was the chaos is a ladder talk..this obviously couldn’t have happened in the books, since they are POV oriented and that would reveal basically everything..so they are actually skilled writers, but they just didn’t concentrate and try as much for later seasons, especially 8, cos they were lazy and wanted to move on to SW without finishing GoT properly..
Honestly, I would've made the Night King the final obstacle. In my version, Battle of Winterfel would still happen. But there would be better setup:
- The Crypt has a secret passageway for those who cannot fight to escape to safety.
- The Army of the Dead arrives at night, but with better lighting (moon idea makes sense, plus seeing the army would affect morale).
- There are 3 Moats of Spikes instead of 1. And they are lit up as soon as the Army attacks.
- Each group of the Living are behind each of those Moats, ensuring that the dead can't simply use themselves as bridges.
- Trebuchets are set up between the Wall & the last Moat, allowing for them to hit the army with range many more times.
- Archers with Obsidian Arrows are lined up on the Walls.
- No "Charging Calvary" bs.
- No "Half" bs.
The fight happens, they unleash hell on the dead, but they are still overwhelmed. Dany & Jon still hit them with dragon fire, but never land.
The dead still make it inside Winterfel, but its not as ridiculous. Still, characters do die. Sandor dies. Jorah dies. Greyworm dies. Tormund dies. Arya is badly wounded to where she can't fight anymore. Beric lives. Sam fled with the others who can't fight (seriously, he would die, no question if he fought). Lyanna Mormont survives with injuries. Everyone else like Brienne, Jaime, Jon, Dany, etc do survive, but with their armor torn up (even the metal armor).
At the end, they cheer for their survival, but Jon is worried cause the Night King wasn't there. Bran realizes where he is; He's nearly made it to King's Landing. His other Wight Walkers (who can control undead) are attacking other places as they go.
The Night King's undead is what started the show. The Night King will bring the end.
With this:
- Jaime never betrays his character.
- We don't have to see Cersei betray her character.
- We don't have that idiotic "She forgot about the Iron Fleet"
- We don't have the crummy "Mad queen for no reason"
- The Long Night episode wasnt about that one battle, it was merely about him starting it.
8:56 The problem with the kingdoms becoming independent again is that it goes against the message of unity, especially with what we got with the White Walkers. The Iron Throne was a problem, but this ain't it either. When the Seven Kingdoms were seven kingdoms, they constantly fought wars with each other. It was basically the war over the Iron Throne but on loop. Don't see how them going their separate ways again would break the wheel, if anything it would cause the wheel to spin even faster, like it did historically in ASOIAF.
Maybe form a council of Sovereigns?
Honestly: A LIGHT SOURCE!
Please just.... Some light. Like idc if it's Jon Snow with a flashlight just LIGHT please.
I'm so thankful for those trenches and Viserion's blue light special. Otherwise, we wouldn't have seen anything.
For the night is dark and full of...something or other; I can't make it out...
@@dw1419 errors
They could've just added a strobe here and there and a lightning effect based around the Night King's magic.
Season 7 and 8 are just a bad joke
And dany isn’t a mad queen. She was just bad written.
Just 8
She was bound to go mad
She was written badly and very unreal from the start, every character is getting deeper into tragedies, she was the only character whose power was increasing after every tragedy and didn't die or physically damaged even once. The culprit is feminist propaganda, carefully analyze all the surviving female figures you will get it
Sad Wrld no, not in the tv version, her development was to fast, to be a mad queen.
season 7 was really good.
I wanted to at least see some kind of battle between Jon and the Night King. The two have been trading stares since they met. Even if it was to be that Jon loses, at least it would show how dangerous the Night King is even without his army of the dead.
This is one of the best Fixing GOT videos I've watched so far, thanks man! Second part please :D
There are dozens of "how to fix season 8" videos and literally all of them are so much better than the actual season. You can't explain this by the showrunners not even trying to make a good story. At this point they had to have been deliberately trying to make it as bad as physically possible.
The people that made season 8 of game of thrones are doing just as good as the ones writing actual life history right now.
When people watch documentaries about covid in 2050 they will be like " no way people were so dumb as to give up all human rights and live so terrible lifes for a disease that insignificant. ".
@@sebastianwallin3726 You're assuming that people in 2050 won't live in an absolute authoritarian hellhole where their thought processes have long been controlled... They won't even know what a "documentary" is. And I bet the government will still use the threat of a virus or something similar to keep control.
@@zolikoff
authoritarian regimes don't try to dismiss documentaries or news or history. rather they try to angle it. This is what you see in Korea, Iran and Belarus.
In these 3 countries i mentioned history is not destroyed or denied. rather it is allowed and you should learn all of it but the angle and perception you get is determined by the leader of the country.
I don't think in 2050 we will be more authoritarian. Rather i think we will see how climate/finance/society will affect everyones life in a much less regulatory effect.
The most important part of control is predictability.
Right now most people are very predictable, they do as told and expect this way they won't be punished. There is an extent of how long people are willing to live based on fear. That is why USSR lasted less than 100 years even though every scholar expected it to last a 1000 years.
The last time a man was this early he was hyped for season 8
love the idea of Dany's forces having to retreat south. Could have been like a desperate gambit to try to force Cersei to help. Then the tension could have been whether she'd join forces or be conniving and try to let Dany and the Night King's armies decimate each other.
But y'know, drinking wine and looking out windows is cool too I guess.
Thanks for reopening old wounds. Just when I thought I finally got over how GOT S8 broke my spirit, crushed my soul, and left me completely void of ever having faith in future writers and creators, you go and bring back all those nightmares that torment me deep down inside. That’s just great....
I would also have liked Dany to you know actually go after Cersei when she is becoming mad instead of giving Cersei all the time she could need to escape... hell if Cersei and Jaime stayed hidden in the dragon skull they could have easily survived and flee.
hell , yeah . could have. now don't reply for chrissake
It's season 8 and suddenly even the show watchers have become priests of Rhollor, just praying for the light.
What if that was the plan all along....
Tbh, i think throughout the two years of making season 8 Dumb and Dumber finished writing the script in a week then spent the rest of the time imagining how good it is, how awesome it is, and how it will be remembered. Oh well.
Really enjoyed it, I surely would love a part 2. Great job sir.
Honestly? I wanted Theon Greyjoy to kill the Night King. First, he was there with Bran, not teleporting as Arya did. I think it was Bran whom he wronged the most, so Theon dying for him would make a great circle. At the beginning of the show he was with Robb in the Godswood when he declared so go against the Lannisters and years later he would be there to protect Robb's and his own brother. With this act, he would prove himself as a true Stark. It would have been unexpected, but not stupid - if you ask me since he didn't have any interaction with the Night King neither. Perhaps I just love Theon Greyjoy too much.
but is he a woman?
YES. They should have given her a spear with a dragonglass edge/end..And he was freaking charging at the Night King anyway. I would have been a good arc. Started as an asshole, then kinda lovable, then we were freaking angry, furious, but he still didn't deserved what he went trough, and then he got himself together, to finally and fully reedeem himself by prorecting a Stark..The house who raised him, the house he wronged.
That would be better but he still doesn’t have a huge connection to the night king really, at least not as much as characters like Jon and Tormund. I believe Theons first interaction with a white walker was when they transported one to kings landing.
Or at least distract him to give time for Jon to get there (even if he was too occupied in the yelling competition). But Theon's participation on this battle was really the only one that made any sense, and he was the only one actually fighting efficiently (even when his arrows ended he still protected bran! My mans a badass), and even if was his first time seeing the Night King he still attacked him without hesitating to fulfill his arc. Wow finally i have something good to say about this episode.. xD
But now that i think about it, do you realize that Arya attacked the Night King and the other dudes walking around with him were just watching? Like whaat 🤡
Like this is so frustrating how they ruined on of the most legendary tv shows of all time to ever exist. I could come up with 1000x better ideas and a ending than the shitheads D&D did.
Okay think about this, it was bran who got in Dany's head and manipulated her to burn down king's landing, whispering "burn them all" in her ears, we see Dany struggle to not let him take over but fail, because he knew if this happened he would be named king in the end, that would be a good plot twist, maybe the three eyed raven did want something after all. Dany dies a tragic death for something she didn't do and unintentionally turning into her father. Bran being a villian all along.
@@deayyea omg that’s amazing. And like maybe the three-eyed raven actually caused the mad king to lose his mind in the same way, whispering into his ear, and his master plan was to rule. I mean
Everytime I hear SubVeRtIng ExPeCtAtiOnS nowadays I get triggered.
I love this! You made some amazing points
Please do another!!!
Tbh I dont really care who kills the NK as long as he is dead.
What bothers me is Arya's sudden ability to fly.
Bran should have told Arya to kill him, take his face and marked arm and wait for the exact moment to kill NK. And that's only if we still consider NK going after Bran had any sense.
It would make much more sense if it turned out that the human who was made into NK was a Targaryen, and was hunting other Targaryens down.
That would explain the marks in episode one of both 1st and 8th season, which highly resemble those on the Targaryen banner. Furthermore, it would make the information that John Snow is a Targaryen actually relevant, and would make their final showdown that much more satisfying
It would also explain his resistance to dragon fire but that can be explained by its magic nature anyway.
Also Arya taking the face of a wight to kill the NK would have made more sense thant what we got anyway.
What kind of lame ass assassin makes some WARCRY during a sneak attack. Stupid as fuck.
The whole night king being a targaryen thing is what i thought it was gonna be, and then it turns he was NOBODY? Da fuck?
Wouldn't it make more sense if he was hunting everyone who wasn't a Targaryen? If he was hunting only Targaryen's then it would feel less at stake since the only ones left are Jon and Daenerys, if it was everyone else it would make more sense... in my opinion.
@@purrr7519 He is already hunting down everything that is alive.
Im only saying that it would make more sense for him to be a Targaryen and primarily hunt them down, than having him, for some stupid ass reason, hunt Bran.
As I already pointed out, NK hunting Jon would give more meaning to his Targ lineage, and it would make more sense, not to mention that it would have a better pay-off since John snow was connected to the White Walkers plotline since the very beginning.
They mightve thought about this themselves, and maybe it was their idea in the firstplace, but then zhey realized Bran would be utterly useless in that storyline so they gave us what we've got.
@@vukkicos5688 Jon and the Walkers only have a connection because the Night King saw him kill one of his Walkers and Jon led everyone to safety. That's when it became personal between the two.
This was in Season 5, before that there wasn't a connection so how was Jon supposedly connected since the very beginning?
Well the only place to see a better ending it's in the books
Im off to reading fanfiction
Most likely
Which probably mostly won't finish
@@arafat9828 don't u have any trust in GRR Martin
@@mananjoshi1311 i do. What I've read so far of ASOIAF is great. But its been a decade since the last book and Ik he's old and that it might take some time but he kinda owes us the ending. I have taken a vow that I won't finish reading the remaining ASOIAF books (I've read the first 2) until the last one is published. Cuz I don't want to remain stuck with one terribly bad ending and another incomplete one
The long night should be a full season
I only just noticed that I wasn't actually subscribed. I apologize for that, as I watch and enjoy all of your content.
Please keep up your excellent work. You are appreciated.
Just imagine, the scorpions firing at the dead dragon and army of the dead. So cool.
So much yes and dont forget how Sam ended up being a grand maester after breaking all his vows ..
The Maesters are not that great; the impression that they give is that they record, suck in and occasionally apply their knowledge here and there. But when it comes to pushing the boundaries of science and being willing to try things out they do not do that. The Maesters as a class actually need reformers who are willing to experiment and push the bounds of knowledge.
@@ChairmanMo yes they put their own views on stuff..
But Sam is barely an acolyte he hasnt earned any links
Thank you so much. You fixed season 8. This was very satisfying
You’re like…the second best critic to address these game of thrones issues
8:23 Drogon did not know what the Iron Throne symbolized
In the script for Season 8 it says "He breathes fire on the back wall, blasting down what remains of the great red blocks of stone. We look over Jon's shoulder as the fire sweeps toward the throne-not the target of Drogon's wrath, just *a dumb bystander* caught up in the conflagration"
He destroyed the Iron Throne because it was the closest thing to him
Lmao, embarrassing. Literally everyone's thinking "Yeah, our boi Drogon is the only one who understood the symbol!". Dumb and Dumber: "Yeah actually no, it was a coincidence lol".
"Just a dumb bystander caught up in the conflagration" for a second I thought this was Jon, cuz that's what his character had been doing this season.
Nobody can convince me that Drogon wouldn't have burned Jon to a crisp right then and there. Even if he liked Jon, he would feel betrayed after Jon killed Dany. He would've smoked Jon to ashes, nothing can convince me he wouldn't
@@YasmineSDJ you mean Jon-Eagon, another who wouldn't burn
My theory is that the writers had Drogon melt the iron throne just because they wanted Bran to be king and they realized Bran already had a chair
According to the script drogon burned the throne by accident. It was a coincidence.
Sai vamshi THERE WAS A SCRIPT ???
@@SickoXXII Script was out when they submitted the last episode for the emmy. Do you want it?
Thank you for this, it almost felt like watching a great ending. I don't understand why GRRM doesn't understand our discontent. The ending was underwhelming.
I can’t help but to watch your year old videos. I’m so disappointed with the show that strung me along for 8 years and gave up. Thank you, I appreciate it.
Underrated suggestion: Beric should have killed the night king, or resurrected Jon similar to the books with him and Stoneheart where he sacrificed himself
It probably sounds silly but oh well😂
if D&D had truly had such a hard on for "subverting the expectations" the night king winning should have come to pass, would have been interesting at least rather than the shite we were handed
OR it was bran who got in Dany's head and manipulated her to burn down king's landing, whispering "burn them all" in her ears, we see Dany struggle to not let him take over but fail, because he knew if this happened he would be named king in the end, that would be a good plot twist, maybe the three eyed raven did want something after all. Dany dies a tragic death for something she didn't do and unintentionally turning into her father. Bran being a villian all along.
@@deayyea definitely agree they needed to explain what happened to dany more. Lol i love the idea of bran being a littlefinger, that would be really funny and yes, subverting expectations
the long night seriously needed to last an entire season long. in the lore, it the last long night lasted for generations. it was deadly not just because of the monsters but because people ran out of food. we were told this one would last even longer and it lasted... a single regular length night.
These are actually excellent points 👍
“Kill some more big characters during the long night”
Theon: *am I a joke to you?*
am I the only one who thought his death was boring
but other then Theon and Jorah not one important character died. I mean so many characters didn't do anything anymore after the long night was over, why not kill them to?
@@GoldenRose116 Especially when all these characters avoided death so much for some dumb plot armors reasons. When the climax was there, Sam was lying over a pile of dead corpses while being assaulted by deads, Jaime, Brienne and Podrick were overwhelmed by deads and against walls, Tormund was overwhelmed too. All those characters would have been dead here if not for their main characters status.
Theon was not a big character. He was for a very short time when he killed Ser Rodrik. But that's it.
I didnt even feel him. He disappeared in the background
Well needed and well done. And long overdue!
WHY DO ALL THE REWRITES KILL DANY???? LIKE SERIOUSLY??!!!!
Ikr. But i still want Jon and Dany ruling a utopic westeros
The rewrites kill Danaerys because it was hinted in the earlier seasons that she will indeed become the mad queen. So it's no surprise that Danaerys dies in the rewrites
A rewrite where Dany survives...based on the broad strokes of what we got...would just be terribly painful for her character. A) She would have to give up the very thing she was fighting for all along (The Throne). B) She would have to give up her last remaining family. C) She would be framed as a villain no matter what she did, because many people would have to die (either through the NK's actions or Cersei's). D) The Dragons would always be seen as a threat to the people of Westeros--it's kind of like the USA with all their nukes; people follow them because they have to, not because they want to...which is not a good message to send. That's my 2cents on the issue....11 months later after I coincidentally got mad about the ending again and ended up here.
I think you idea of breaking the wheel in the end is actually really smart and thematically makes sense.
I honestly thought they were going for the "winter has come" ending or that they would make the living EARN their win. Like, we don't have the full picture of how many soldiers the Night King had, but what I thought was going to happen was: the Night King sends a part of his forces and some walkers to try and take Winterfell (mostly to get more troops) and march with his main force south, to King's Landing and the rest of the land (he has a dragon and his troops don't ever tire, he could do it fairly fast and take everyone by surprise). Hell, I thought that snowing in King's Landing was foreshadowing for the poor folk dying from the harshness of winter, which would, in turn 'cause the city to fall, since the Night King could've raised an army just from that and it would turn the city into a living hell. And this is just if the NK wasn't feeling lazy, 'cause he could've won just from keeping everyone inside their castles while covering everyone in that blizzard, white walkers can apparently cause. Uuuuuuugh. They completely wasted the Walkers. -_-
Needed three seasons. Season 8 ~ The Battle for the north vs the undead. Season 9 ~ The war between Cersei and Daenerys. Season 10 ~ The consolidation of Westeros
I don’t think there’s the need for an entire consolidation season but certainly one season was not the way to go
no,or it could be draw down,and the writing could be worse already.And how you can built entire season upon battle for the north vs undead,it could be smth like episode with dialogues about the battle,then the battle,then what.I think it could have been just season 8 with 10-16 episodes
Adding another 3 seasons would work, George would have written all the books by then and there would actually be good material to work with. Not only that HBO basically backed up the Brinks Trucks and would agree to do it all!
Season 10 The fall of the Mad Queen
@@ChairmanMo Lol - that's optimistic of you! We're already a year past season 8 and there's *still* no Winds of Winter. They'd have to space the seasons about 5 years apart to have a prayer of him finishing one book, let alone two.
Great vid bro 👏👑
UA-camrs: Make any other version of Season 8
Fans: This is our new head canon
Just kill Arya. She's the ultimate Deus Ex Machina that destroys any complicated plot
Since season 5
Some faceless man uses Sansa`s face to kill Arya(Sansa is killed beforehand).That way we get rid of them both annoying Starks .
Arya is an Immortal Superhero now. No complexity left to her character.
@@kristiandonchev2641 And some faceless man uses Jamie's face to kill Cersei because, why not ? Tell us when you write your first book.
@@kristiandonchev2641 lol that would pissed off everyone,that's not smart to kill 2 characters like this despite you hate them or love them
If Rhaegal was present at King's Landing, wouldn't Jon be riding him?
As Rhaegal dies you just hear a falling Jon, "Yeeeerrr maaa Queeeeeeeeeeeeen"
"I told you I didn't want iiiiiit"
@@carlyfallon6304 I WHEEZED dude that still would have been so much better than what we got
"we neeeeeeeeeeeeed allllieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees"
jon would probably be on foot commanding the armies, maybe.
Really great ideas! Especially about one of the dragons dying at Kings Landing!
You made so many great changes so quickly, I so wish this is the season we had gotten! The idea of all the kingdoms claiming independence is a masterstroke compared to what we got!!
And yes, absolutely, you should do more of these! This was amazing!
Amazing videos and suggestions, but it saddenes me how little would have to change for the story to be exponentially better. I really do not get how they could screw up that badly.
My proposition for an improved Season 8 general layout (based on what you've proposed in the video); throughout the series Bran will provide aerial recon with his warging abilities.
Episode 3: Battle of Winterfell: The living come up with a much better strategy for the living side than the one we got (based on actual siege defense tactics courtesy of Invicta, and with Bran providing aerial recon), but the dead nevertheless overrun Winterfell; Tormund, Edd, Jorah, Lyanna, Theon and Beric die while the survivors among the living (including Sansa, Arya, Bran, Davos Jon, Dany, Grey Worm, Missandei, Jaime, Brienne, Podrick, Tyrion and the rest of the gang).
Episode 4: The survivors (from here on out I will refer to them as the Northern Coalition) flee through the Riverlands to Kings Landing while being harrassed by small packs of wights; at one point they end up in a three-way battle between undead and Lannister forces. Meanwhile, Daenerys promises the North their independence if they stay by her side through the Great War and they survive.
Episode 5: The Northern Coalition besiege, assault, and take King's Landing, executing Cersei which outrages Jaime. Rhaegal is also killed by the scorpions mounted on the wall, which causes Dany to snap and raze King's Landing to the ground. Sandor Clegane also duels Gregor and both fall into the flames of the burning city.
Episode 6: The survivors of the Battle of Winterfell and the Destruction of King's Landing (Northmen, Wildlings, Brotherhood Without Banners, Dothraki, Unsullied, and surviving Lannister forces and Golden Knights) prepare for a last stand in King's Landing, including setting booby traps with Wildfire in the surrounding area, while Dany and Drogon attack the advancing undead army to buy time for their preparations. Meanwhile, Jon and Dany have a heated argument about about burning King's Landing to the ground, while Jaime attempts to desert only to be stopped by Brienne and the arrival of the White Walkers.
Episode 7: The dead assault King's Landing. Davos, Grey Worm and Missandei fall; Arya shoots down Viserion with a scorpion bolt tipped with dragonglass, and she, Jaime and Jon engage the Night King; Jaime is slain, and Jon is impaled in the leg. As the Night King moves to kill Jon, Arya rushes the Night King from behind, engaging him in a vicious duel, during which Jon takes the upper hand and drives Longclaw into the Night King's back. All of the White Walkers shatter into ice, and the wights are released from their power and rest at last; the Long Night is over.
Episode 8: The living celebrate their bittersweet victory over the dead. Maddened by all that she has lost, however, Daenerys reneges on her earlier deal and promises to "liberate" the world; in doing so she declares the North as part of her envisioned realm, therefore losing the support of House Stark and the rest of the North. As the North declares war on Daenerys Targaryen, and vice versa, the stage is set for Season 9.
Having jon kill the night king with a backstab would be awful also, just give us the epic duel we deservd
Woowwww you made the whole lot much better in just 10 mins. It would have been much better of a season, definitely. Keep up the good work. 👍👍👍
man you are doing God's work. Thank you so much for trying to fix everything that D&D destroyed.
Learn the alphabet with Stannis King of grammar for x minutes straight.
I is for : I said the words damn you !
Congrats Pierre, in the UA-cam Studio it lists you as the top commenter
Pierre LHOMMET F is for: Fewer
@@SupercutsDelight Thank you Supercuts ! Your videos of GOT are in high quality !
Dany's mad queen arc would make a lot more sense if during Missandei's execution the people of Kings Landing were cheering and if after the bells of surrender were rung Rhaegal was shot down by scorpions, filling Dany with rage and prompting her to burn them all
Or have the bells ring right before missandei's execution and cersei has gregor kill her anyway
Wow I’m only a few minutes in and I am very happy about these ideas and hope that one day they’ll have a remake but who no if or when that will happen
You are so waaaay smarter than any writer in GoT. You imagined the end game storylines sooo much better. If only they hired you from season 5. Congrats 👏 👏
absolutely the long night is the biggest problem in season 8, yes i know all of season 8 is really bad but it all started with long night which ironically is the shortest thing about this whole series lol
imo most of the characters who do not have a major impact but still important should have died in the long night and maybe some major characters like arya for instance because her part in the series is already not important should've made a dramatic death, after winterfell should be overrun by the wights and after that the main character's and the survivors break into a run for their lives and the whole plot in the season should revolve somewhat over that because truly the night king's part is laughable after all that build up during the series sadly.
That's not working. There is no universe where Daenarys will target innocents even enraged. It's like saying Jon Snow would start slaughtering innocents if he saw both his father and Ygritte getting beheaded one second from each other in real life. Rage TOWARDS the one that hurts you - THAT's the immediate human instinct because hurting that one person is the FIRST thought you're going to get and in that situation you'll follow it. Not the crowd around you, it's not how humans work (except if they actively try to get in your way). Daenarys going immediately for Cercei, not for everyone around it.
Far far better from the script. Well said!
"Or we would finally see the Night King take a seat on Iron Throne".
Night King: I don't want it
Just a few of my favorite lines from this video
The meme of Tormund at 2:56
"...add a fucking moon that lights that battlefield because you can't see shit," 3:03
"...have Melissandre fall in battle instead of having her turn into the embodiment of season eight," 3:26
- Hell, even having Bran do something at 3:32
"The North wanted their independence and so did the Iron Islands, but they just kinda forgot about that," 9:01
"...they choose the most boring character, who wasn't even in season 5, and sat around and did nothing," 9:42
Love to everyone working on this show except D&D. They all worked so hard for us the actors did amazing and the crew made beautiful things in such a short time. When i watched the behind the scenes from S8, the amount of stress and hard work they went through all for this horrible writing from d&d is just sad.
Here we have a brilliant UA-camr (possibly a college student, young man, idk him lol) crafting a better story than two Hollywood-hired writers. Amazing.
You should for sure a follow-up video to this one. Just imaging the different endings and better execution is soo damn good. I almost forgot about the trash fire of an ending and most of the season.
The fact that none of the white walkers fought in The Long Night is the greatest sin in the whole show. Oh, and The Night King himself never fought in the whole show.
Ironically enough, the actor who played the Night King is also a stuntman, and the man who choreographed every single fight scene seen in GoT start to finish. Lol
About the throne being destroyed, maybe having it be burned by Drogon while Dany is attacking the Red Keep and when she finally walks in the throne room, she sees it is already destroyed by her own doing, or having Bran make it destroyed after his coronation , would have made more sense and not felt kinda useless.
man you are doing God's work. Thank you for trying to fix everything that D&D destroyed
3:30 The embodiment of season 8, bruh!!! That was wickedly wicked 😂