DIALOGUE: Is Premarital Sex Bad?
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- In this episode, Trent shares clips from his dialogue with Alex at Playing with Fire about the ethics of premarital sex.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
00:57 Is it unethical for a man to ask his wife if he can have an affair?
07:10 What is sex for?
11:52 Did I have premarital sex?
12:17 Contraceptives and the risk of pregnancy
20:08 What percentage of risk is okay to have premarital sex?
22:15 Is it wrong to have sex after 30?
25:40 Is love conditional? - Розваги
Keep branching outside the Catholic/Christian bubble. You're the guy I trust to communicate our ideals to the secular world.
I agree. Trent is exactly who I want to speak to the world about our Faith. He’s doing Gods work.
@@ChristIsLord7 Except in this case, he didn't involve a conversation about our Faith at all. Rather, he told the guy you don't have to be religious to hold the POV that premarital sex is wrong. I love Trent's videos. But in this case, it seems like he's telling people it doesn't matter if you're religious or not, as long as you hold that premarital sex is wrong. I don't see how that's spreading the Faith. But maybe I'm missing something.
I think that was Trent’s point. Otherwise non religious people blow you off saying that’s just because you’re religious, and since I’m not religious I can do whatever I want.
@@ToddJambonsexual sin impedes your intellect, so convincing people that it’s wrong disposes them to the Catholic faith indirectly
How about providing some empirical evidence of that God you believe exists.
I had sex before I got married and my wife did not. That is my greatest regret. I was utterly broken before my conversion and it took a long time to forgive myself. She was faithful to me her entire life, before she even knew I existed, I wish I had done the same thing.
Not to add on to your regret or make you feel bad, but this is my biggest motivation(apart from obvious religious motivations) as a 24 year old to continue waiting for my future wife.
@@Garrett10 I hope you are Courting women right now you need the skills learned in Courting in a marriage. Because you essentially court your wife for life.
@@Garrett10 That's amazing!
@@Garrett10 That's awesome man, keep it up!
@@Garrett10you’re good for that! And you’ll realize after marriage that it’s so much more satisfying and you don’t need all the perverted things couples resort to now. It’s like a drug: The more you have the more you want and it controls you
Trent, ‘No, my love for my wife is not conditional. I will always love my wife.’
👏👏👏👏👏
Are you listening, Laura? 🙂
Yikes! -Vanessa
@@TheCounselofTrent Who are you and what have you done with Kyle
That's for me to know-- -Vanessa
Sorry, I'm kinda new here, who are Laura and Vanessa and what's this about?)
@@fourleggedlys Don't know about Vanessa, however I know Laura is Trent's wife
I was convinced of catholic teaching on sexual morality long before converting, exactly because of being raised by a divorced mother
It's a huge advantage Catholics have over the Calvinists. The dogmatic idea that you can never convince someone of a moral truth outside of grace is ridiculous. So many people like you come to Christianity because you first knew the moral code
same.
I also was drawn to Catholic social teaching on marriage and sex due to being raised in a broken home by a single mother. I do find it hard to live it out but I know it’s true.
The Catholic Church’s controversial but true and supremely reasonable approach to sexual ethics is a tremendous gift
Yeah, and if you are born with a different sexual orientation, just become a priest and all your sexual immoralities you commit with altar boys will be swept under the rug by vatican.
Why can’t people who had sex outside marriage change their mind after marriage when they honestly assess the difficulties present in their marriages due to their pre-marital sex?
Because e-er... You MUST ALWAYS be judged by your past if you are religious you bigot !
It's a good argument for people to look to get married early eg before they're 30 if they can.
Yeah I also wondered where he was going with that. I think it comes from a place of wanting to accuse Christians of repenting only after “getting their kicks” earlier in life
@@bluckobluc8755I peer reviewed your comment: True!
@@misterkittyandfriends1441 30 isn't even early. Before you're out of college would be considered early these days, I'd push for that
Lord, have mercy on this poor man...i will be praying for him
I waited until marriage, never regretted it. I don't think I would feel the same if I hadn't.
You mean if you had sex with your wife before marriage? Or with another person before you met your wife?
@@S91761 Either way....
@@christophergreen3809 okay. I believe the first one is more on your guilt based on your belief rather than having actual consequences, and the second one can be explained through psychological studies on the effects of multiple sex partners.
I slept with 3 women outside of wedlock and now and I regret it every day. It's so hard to get over once you realize what you did
Sex clearly connects you with the person for the rest of your life no matter how disconnected you are from this person. People call it casual sex but the consequences of it isn't casual.
Indeed there is nothing casual about reproductive means
Women basically lose their ability to pair bond permanently after only one or two casual hook-ups, so any idea of a long term relationship with a promiscuous woman is naive wishful thinking at best and complete delusion at worst.
especially not for women, men have a much easier time being emotionally detached from sex (not saying that men should pursue casual sex or and of that "lock and key" bullsh*t) and todays secular society tells women that they can act just like men when it comes to all things, especially sex. Its extremely harmful and we are now seeing the consequences with the huge mental health issues amongst women.
@@user-gs4oi1fm4lwhy?
Precisely
The contrast between the way Trent talks and the way Alex talks is remarkable. I think it really says it all...
It’s fascinating to see how different styles can highlight different aspects of a conversation, isn’t it? Trent and Alex bring their unique perspectives and ways of expressing themselves, which can enrich the discussion and offer us a broader view. It’s all about getting those varied insights to paint a fuller picture. Thanks for pointing that out! -Vanessa
It's like a newborn caveman (cave baby🤔) trying to have a conversation with History's best poets
First minute and 30 seconds and this man already lost. Keep it up trent
I've never seen a faster takedown
Same.....my husband and I did not have premarital sex. We are each others one and only. I'm his one and only kiss. Unfortunately I've been kissed in the past and allowed kisses to happen.
Totally agree. I don’t wanna be disrespectful to Alex and she seems to do a very good job on his own. He sounds like an absolute meathead. A pity the poor woman who actually date him. And he supposed to be a coach?
It is so frustrating to debate someone with a poorly formed conscience. Your patience is inspiring!
And a potty mouth
Can I get a physiogamy check? Trent is the clear victor.
Real.
Phrenology squad pull up
@@Arpitan_Carpenter This dude looks like every bone in his face is dislocated, it probably is manifesting the demon that oppresses him.
100%
physiognomy and monogamy check. 2:0 to Trent
1st question he’s asked if it’s unethical for a man to ask his wife… and he asks “before or after marriage?” Seriously? 😂
I noticed that too. The logic exhibited here obviously foreshadows the conclusions he’s made on the topic 😂
I understand why he's asking. He's wondering if this is a topic previously discussed or if the husband just sprung it on the wife after marriage. It's a legitimate question to ask imo
Cause he's a relativist. "Do what thou wilt bro"
@dahliaherrod4301 I agree, that's the only way we can interpret such an apparently nonsensical question. People often jump to conclusions and forget the virtues of Prudence and Charity. You haven't.
From his perspective, its kinda understandable. He says it would be wrong, because the wife likely expected monogamy and married you with that assumption. So in his view, if the husband asked it before they got married, it would be fine
I don't know this guy, but I love that you respectfully engage the secular popular views of the last several decades. I was curious the comments on the original video, and seems like people are supportive of this supposedly unpopular and old fashioned view point on waiting until marriage. Good job Trent, on being in the world, but not of the world.
Thank you so much for watching and for your kind words! -Vanessa
11:53
He alluded to people not being consistent in changing their minds about sex after they got married.
It could be probable that people realize the objective truth about sex. If a criminal realizes being a criminal is bad after changing their life, are the being inconsistent?
You have a point. However, I do think it's a bad deal for a virgin man to marry a non virgin woman.
@@andyisdead no more so than a virgin woman to marry a nonvirgin man
@@andyisdead
Why do you think so? Is it a bad idea if a virgin woman marries a non-virgin man?
@@andyisdeadit depends. If the more experienced spouse is fully faithful, puts the Virgin spouse at ease i dont see why the marriage wouldnt work. The most important is to leave the past in the past. Ok obe is not virgin. Dont detail, don compare to past people etc. Also men or women can arrive technically virgin until marriage but they did sexual things like solitary pleasure and watching porn...
@@vtaylor21yes
I grew up seeing enough of the consequences of secular sexual ethics to know that was not how I was going to live my life.
The bulletproof vest was a fantastic risk comparison because it involves life. My entire perspective on sex has changed since God has allowed me to see how my own sins have hurt me and others. I'm grateful he opened my eyes to this so that my daughter can be taught better than I was.
Having premarital sex is one of my biggest regrets in life.
Thank you so much for sharing your perspective! -Vanessa
me 12 years ago: listened to guys like alex
me today: listen to guys like Trent
It's crazy how time changes things! -Vanessa
Glad you grew up ;-)
I appreciate your willingness to have a civil debate with those who have contrasting moral beliefs. This is an excellent way to share Catholic morals on sexuality and marriage without reverting to the more common form of two commentators yelling at each other.
This video makes me so thankful for my husband! Unconditional love in marriage is such a gift.
Kind of like a dog.
This was like watching Trent talk to a particularly dull high schooler. The other guy doesn't seem to have thoughts or to underatand what Trent is even asking. I hope he can spend some time learning how to think about things. It was telling when he fumbled for a whole minute on figuring out what sex is not for, and he ultimately didn't come up with an answer.
yeah, for me that segment just highlighted how dumb promiscuous sex is. I essentially heard, "for me, sex was for using woman like objects for my own gratification." Sounded very depraved next to Trents POV.
Not dishonest. It’s the truth. His answers were not thoughtful either, they were hedonistic.
His mind has so clearly been rotted by worldliness
I also think we need to be kind to people who are engaging with us and looking for the objective truth.
Yeah, sorry I made it about 6 1/2 minutes in and couldn’t take any more of it
I feel generally most pick up experts are con artists. This guy didn't change my perception.
Yes, it's all about how to manipulate women into giving you what you want.
‘Love is to will the good of the other.’
I didn’t even learn this until I became Catholic!
This needs to be splashed all over greeting cards! Because in the secular world love is just a feeling, changing like the wind. Becoming Catholic was the best decision I ever made! 😊
Growing up Protestant, I always knew love was more than just a feeling, but I always struggled to put it into words. The closest I could get was that "love is a choice and a commitment." I never heard that's it's "willing the good of the other" until I became Catholic too.
I'd be more than insulted if my husband asked to have an affair. I'd be devastated and depressed for a very very long time
Such a request can carry such a heavy impact! Thank you for commenting! -Vanessa
Really enjoying these dialogues. After 40 days of fasting from UA-cam it has been some fresh new content from the Counsel of Trent 👍🏼
Thank you so much for watching! And, welcome back! -Vanesssa
I would recommend instead of beeping the profanity, just mute it. This makes for a much better audio experience.
Love this channel and have learnt so so much! Glory to God!
Thanks for the tip and the love! We're always looking for ways to improve, so this kind of feedback is gold. Super happy to hear you've been learning a lot with us-Glory to God, indeed! Keep the feedback and the good vibes coming. -Vanessa
Agreed, less intrusive just silent. Also one got missed at 26:46 lol
@@TheCounselofTrent Ive seen channels like Ruslan also use a funny noise like a duck quack over those words!
@@fiftyforty-threemma2924and one at 12:47 lol
The last segment on conditional love was perfect.
The discord notifications got me tweaking lol
Great debate. The guy didn't have much of an argument here.
Thanks for watching! -Vanessa
Great job as always Trent 🎉 The way Alex thinks it's a huge part of what's wrong with society. Pray for him and his fans. God bless you all!
Thank you for watching! -Vanessa
Ive always believed pre marital sex was wrong, even when i was an atheist. Im glad I came back to the faith.
Wow! Thank you for sharing your beliefs and perspectives! Welcome back to the faith! -Vanessa
Even if the couple is planned to get married?
This gives me hope for society. Thank you for the comment.
C00mer vs Trent
Society, nowadays, is unfortunately setup in such a way that it basically guarantees premarital sex. Back in the day - you stayed living with your parents until you were married, marriage was made to happen (expected and encouraged) shortly after becoming sexually developed, and courtship & engagement didn’t last for years on end. All of this assisted in protecting people against premarital sex and putting them into the least amount of temptation possible.
Nowadays - you leave your parent’s home at 18…it’s expected (and encouraged) that you don’t get married until you are at least 25…and once you meet “the one” you are supposed to date them for at least 2 years (to make sure) and then have an engagement of at least 6 months so that the grand wedding preparations can be made. Not to mention, just having the ability to drive and work at 16, and in a society where socializing outside of school without parents present will inevitably put teens into tempting situations.
The best comparison I can think of is with a form of sugar, like a chocolate bar. Lol. Back in the day, no one could experience sugar until they married - and parents put the sugar (or candy bar) into a cage with a lock on it. To access the sugar, you would need to be very deliberate and sneaky and steal the key from your parents bedroom. Nowadays, once you turn 18 - your parents give you the cage AND the key and you move out of their house with it in tow. Honestly, what are the chances that at some point…you are going to open that cage yourself? It’s sad but it’s true. We, as a society, have set up a system which encourages failure in this area and makes success nearly impossible. Only children coming from strict and loving parents, and who also marry “young” (by today’s standards) and don’t prolong their dating and engagement will succeed.
I only know 3 couples that achieved this. One couple is now divorced because the husband has same sex attraction (so waiting until marriage wasn’t even a temptation for him), the other couple dated their last year of highschool but didn’t go to the same high school and the daughter’s father was present during every date and interaction and they got marriage the summer after graduating high school (they are still married 30+ years later but are now swingers)…and the last couple met at age 40 & 30 and got married THREE months later (they are still married 15 years later but they both came from divorces and previous relationships where premarital sex DID occur so they weren’t virgins).
Sad those are the only couples you know. Miraculously, my husband has 2 siblings. All three of his parents' kids were virgins when they married virgins (One spouse I suspect was not but he and his wife stopped kissing 2 months before their ceremony to make that one kiss special). I have a friend who was a virgin when she married a divorced father. I have friend set who has 18 kids who married as virgins. My teenage kids are waiting until marriage.
One commentor here said his wife remained faithful to him from birth and it's one of his biggest regrets he didn't wait for her. The non-amish/non-menonite communities like this are out there.
@@iyaayas I agree that it’s sad that these are the only couples I know. However, I do think I’m correct in stating that nowadays, if you are a virgin when you get married…you are the EXCEPTION to the norm. Whereas back in the day, if you WEREN’T a virgin when you got married…you were the EXCEPTION to the norm.
The reasons why this flip has happened stem largely because of the changes to our societal structure. I mean, back in the day - you didn’t even need to be religious or come from a religious family in order to be a virgin upon marriage…because society was setup in such a way where that was simply likely to happen regardless of religious beliefs…because the society at large was formed around religious values and technology hadn’t yet enabled sex without consequences and women generally weren’t left alone because of that.
Nowadays, even religious people are very likely to not be virgins on their wedding day because they are surrounded by a secular society in which sex is basically handed to you on a silver platter…and you can EASILY “get away with” having sex and literally NO ONE EVER discovering that you did. So the public risks involved aren’t even there anymore.
@iyaayas how do you know all those people are virgins?
I must write that in the past there was plenty of dodgy dealing. We should not present it like there were no problems.
It's true that modern society sets people up for failure, but that failure doesn't have to involve premarital sex. It also includes a large and ever-growing underclass of undesirables who manage to preserve their virginity for all the wrong reasons. The notion that nobody is a virgin because avoiding premarital sex is impossible is a load of nonsense: It's actually very, very, very easy not to have sex if nobody is asking to have sex with you.
If you dig into the statistics, you'll find that the youngest cohort is having *less* sex than older generations did at the same age. Because most young Americans are too isolated, too online, and too saturated in pornography to bother with the real thing.
One can observe Trent physically try to tolerate this guys immodest speech
Bruh stop your not above anyone
@@Weebgamer236 You seem really upset that someone might not like crass language. Why are you pretending to be above him?
Doesn’t make his words modest
@@Weebgamer236 Yes we are
@@Airclot I hate holier than thou Christian behavior.The most holy God took on our lowly human flesh, dine and feasted with prostitutes but this fake pias Christian claim to get disturbed by "crass language" to the point that the have to "physically tolerate it".
Do you not see how soft and self conceited and self absorbed this statement is someone with such attitude going to preach in to folks in ghettos,orphans,prostitutes criminals who need to hear the Good news.This attitude frankly disgust me
One thing that struck me about the secular guy's argument was how flippant he was about the efficacy vs. side effects of birth control. This is a common trend I have noticed during years of conversations with guys who disdain purposeful abstinence. Most often, they will try the tactic of saying that birth control is "totally fine" for women and "super highly effective". Generally, these are the same guys who hate condoms, so they wish for the females they are being sexual with to take full responsibility for precautions. These guys also generally have zero desire to be fathers should a child be conceived so they are also fully in support of 'A woman's right to choose'. There is a very real and prominent pattern and as a woman, I find it disturbing.
It’s obvious, these secular guys are selfish and don’t care about the women they want to sleep with at all. It’s all about themselves, they want what they want. And our culture is telling them to go for it, so they’re going for it, by golly!
That is such an interesting observation! Thank you for watching and commenting! -Vanessa
Yes, these are men who want to use women for their own lust and have zero desire to take responsibility and be men. So women are sacrificing their own happiness and future as wives and mothers to be sex dolls for these predators.
There was an f-bomb missed at 12:47 and 26:46.
Thank you, Trent, for all the work you do! I've been really enjoying this dialog series. It's really important to have conversations like these.
When he started the first response with “uh, I don’t know if it’s like full-on unethical…” it was clear the poor guy probably does a lot more talking than thinking.
‘Actions can be equally wrong even if one is more understandable than the other.’
Yes! Thank you, Trent!
This guy is creeping me out! So he thinks he’s the ultimate judge of what sex is for?! 🤦🏻♀️
Wait, hold up: This guy "coaches" people? Man, that's frightening.
"Don't fire your member into someone...."
It's a little early in the morning to hear that from Trent.. 😂
That quote would be great for an out of context compilation.
Thank you for doing this. I appreciate you branching out and being respectful but firm with Alex. I will be praying for him and all who follow him.
Thank you for your support! -Vanessa
You are my favorite Catholic apologist and I love how you tackle even morally horrific topics with such calm and logic. I converted this Easter and you have been very helpful.
I feel so lucky that my fiance and I chose to stay virgins until our wedding. As a young woman it's scary to be that vulnerable with someone outside a permanent commitment.
Great that you are reaching out and dialoguing with others. Just ordered your book.
Thank you so much for watching! Please be sure to come back and let us know your opinions on the book! -Vanessa
I am 20 years of age and was fornicating with my girlfriend before I came to Christ. I still struggle with lust, but intend to avoid sex and sexual behaviour prior to marriage from this point forward. I’ve given advice to some of my male friends who haven’t had sex before to follow suit, because ultimately I really regret it.
It takes a lot of courage to share your journey and the changes you're making in your life. Embracing a new path, especially after coming to Christ, shows a lot of growth and commitment to living your beliefs. Lust is a common struggle, and it's admirable that you're taking steps to align your actions with your faith. Sharing your experiences and regrets with your friends not only helps you stay accountable but also guides them in making choices that they won't regret later on. Keep leaning on your faith and community for strength and guidance. You’re not alone in this journey. Thanks for being so open with us. -Vanessa
I’m curious what you think about Christopher West suggesting it’s better to use the term “non-marital sex” rather than “pre-marital”, because pre-marital assumes they plan to and will get married, when many do not and/or won’t.
I get the point, but then it doesn't differentiate well from adultery. pre-marital and extra-marital sex are the euphemisms for fornication and adultery.
@@kyler9323don't you think that in the case of premarital sex and extra-marital sex as a form of adultery is a concept of "avoiding" the act to "protect" us from possible consequenses, rather than when you do it, something spiritual would happen?
@@S91761 I'm sorry, I don't get your question. Could you restate it? Thanks!
@@kyler9323 Sure. I was asking if you think that the act of adultery and fornication has actual spiritual consequences or that they are just God's way to guide us for a better lifestyle to prevent unnessesary suffering.
An example would be that a couple having premarital sex with plans to get married has no observable consequences compared to someone having multiple sex partners because there are studies showing negative psychological effects by sleeping around and then try to have a long term partner. I hope my explanation was better.
@@S91761 Yes! I get what you are asking.
I would say that fornicating many times with many partners is much worse than an engaged couple, for example, fornicating. Sure.
However, I think that it is still a bad idea because the temporal consequences we want to avoid (baby with no father, and the emotional damage of having multiple sexual partners) is still a risk. Only the bonds of the marriage relationship (with vows of permanency, love, support, and exclusivity taken in public before the community) can sustain something as profound and consequential as human sexuality. In your case, you can "intend" to get married. You can have that trajectory, but until those vows are taken there is no bond and you could change your mind on a whim. The stakes are too high to be left to the inherent instability that exists in any relationship before marriage. Now of course this logic entails divorce and remarriage being terrible. It is adultery and attempted polygamy and it is devastating to all involved, most especially the kids. I would advocate for separation, if abuse etc. is present, but no-fault divorce is especially awful. But a culture that divorces and remarries frequently doesn't have the internal coherence to oppose fornication since both practices lead to the same consequences, except the former involves breaking vows, which is an additional evil.
Regarding spiritual consequences: I would say yes there will be spiritual consequences to any fornication. If God has decided, in His wisdom, that fornicating is a sin (even if some fornicating is worse than others) then what would a friend of God do? Honor His wish (which accords with the design of human nature and leads to happiness and human flourishing) or ignore it? In Catholicism specifically, having grace in one's soul and being a child of God involves friendship with God. Hard to see how one could be God's friend while purposefully and knowingly flouting God's loving and wise commands around the most important areas of human life. So being at enmity with God would be a spiritual consequence of fornication. That is why in the Bible fornication is listed as a damnable sin.
I know this is a hard truth and one that few are told (even by Christians!) and that in our culture there are a lot of conflicting views, but I think this matter is of such importance we should share the truth, but in love and with understanding and compassion. I hope that helps!
Great job, Trent! I love that you're branching out and having these important conversations with people outside of the Catholic/Religious sphere!
Thank you for watching and for your support! -Vanessa
The bulletproof vest example was brilliant! Trent made excellent arguments.
God bless you for engaging people in the secular sphere, Trent. You show admirable patience and promote charity in these discussions when many, if not most, would become frustrated and slip up. Keep up the great work and may God continue to bless your efforts.
Thank you so much for the comment and supporting the channel! These secular sphere conversations are fruitful! -Vanessa
Love your use of Gender Neutral He. It's refreshing and feels more comfortable than Singular They.
Knowing that my husband and I are committed FOR LIFE, has completely changed my outlook on life. It makes me feel loved and secure on a daily basis, knowing that I've got his back, and he's got mine.
This was hard to watch...especially when he brought up his girlfriend as proof that IUD's aren't bad for women. "I don't know exactly how they work...but my girlfriend who is super into health has one."
That was an interesting perspective! -Vanessa
100% recommend the book "Made This Way." My kids are 10 and 8 years old, and it was so much easier discussing all these secular topics with them after having educated myself.
Thank you! We are so blessed to hear this! -Vanessa
Classic Trent, awesome as usual
Glad you enjoyed the video! -Vanessa
Please continue having more conversations/debates with secular folk! It's absolutely needed.
Thanks so much for watching! -Vanessa
I am glad you had this conversation but I just get exhausted by adults like this. Feels like going in circles, I can do this for teens in confirmation but adults 😅
"Insulting", "understandable", anything to avoid the question of what is right or wrong. The truth can be insulting, as can the act of telling it, but still right. And practically any action can be understandable even while clearly wrong (that's what temptation is, after all).
Oh please. What couple uses a IUD AND a condom. The percentage of times that has happened has to be almost zero
If one is deathly afraid of having a child then you'd take all the precautions you could.
@@flameguy3416 Even those people will slip the condom off when they're overtaken by the hormones
Like not having sex?@@flameguy3416
@@flameguy3416 except apparently the most foolproof one of not having sex
@flameguy3416 yep. I was raised in an awesome, faithful, Protestant home and yet had overwhelming lust as a young man. I definitely used a condom with a girl who told me she had an IUD once because I was deathly afraid of a child coming of it.
i think you mispoke in 18:47 it might a perpetual "inflammation" and not "infection"
keep up the great work Trent, God bless you
I had Trent Horn saying, “fire your member into someone” on my 2024 bingo card!
Ha! Sounds like you were ready for some unexpected phrases from Trent. He sure has a way of making discussions memorable and keeping everyone on their toes. Keep that bingo card handy; who knows what else might come up! -Vanessa
Any sex outside of marriage is immoral and sin. It’s not a difficult concept.
The concept is easy to understand but difficult to follow/practice.
@viodsa culture and social expectation seems a bigger influence to me than biology
@@viodsa This is blatantly untrue. It’s really easy to not have premarital sex, just don’t do it. Don’t be an idiot and put yourself in a position where that is possible.
@@bezel95 Just don’t sin 4head. Bible should have just said that and nothing else I suppose
@@bezel95Sure and men should not engage in masculine hobbies because it triggers "radical feminists" and don't eat any "animal product" or just pork because radical vegans and Muslims with cry all day .
Wow, never thought this crossover would happen. Very nice
Haha! It is an interesting one! We have to love how Trent takes the time to chat with so many different people and minds to get to the core of what people really think! -Vanessa
Great video best I’ve seen lately and makes me think 💭
Right! It really highlights two of the many ways people think about sex. One clearly follows contrary to our natural order, but until it is said out loud--we may not notice. -Vanessa
Great conversation
We are so glad you enjoyed it! -Vanessa
Yes, this guy's attention is elsewhere during the exchange.
I am so happy the redpill community is being engaged, they've been gaining traction in the mainstream with people like Tate and the pushback from conservatives has been mild to say the least.
What was Alex looking at? 😀
He doesn't seem like he was as focused on what Trent was saying as Trent was with him. Was he reading messages from other people while Trent was talking?
27:30 --> Checking his messages while you're trying to lay some Aquinas on him.
No respect.
God Bless you for your patience, Trent ❤!
Not sure if it was streamed to an audience, sounds like he's on Discord, but I agree with you regardless
The guy is a total bafoon.
Imagine the woman who is dating him. She must be extremely insecure and unattractive. All women need to raise their standards and men like this would be forced to straighten up or completely check out.
Happy to see you step into the red pill sphere. I keep hoping we will get some strong Catholic men to push back on that ideology and propose authentic masculinity. Would love to see you and Andrew Wilson together - I know you had done an episode on his debate a few months ago. The two of you together on "Whatever" would be amazing.
Comparing sex to watching football. Yikes.
I met this wonderful girl and im her first boyfriend and her first lover in general, she wants to wait for marriage and i support that 100%. But she isnt mine first girlfriend and i feel a bit bad, i wish i could explore with her the path of sexuality together the first time. She knows that but im still very afraid to hurt her, cause she is my one and only and hopefully the mother of our future kids
She knows, make sure she is okay with that and pray and make repair.
If a person has to think about whether having sex outside of a marriage is ethical... apparently doesn't know what a marriage is.
He apparently thinks getting pregnant is a severe risk while _contracting_ a sexually transmitted disease is nothing to consider.
(* If the contract is followed correctly there should be almost no risk at all of ever catching a STD in marriage. Rather than the risk he considers pregnancy to be, it becomes a gift in a marriage.)
He mentions if his girlfriend doesn't betray him as a condition. How can she cheat on him if they are not married? How is this so called _cheating_ a _betrayal?_
Trent W
I used to have s3x with my ex everyday. Sure, it was pleasurable but now that I converted to christianity, I understand why we should wait until marriage. It's not only pleasurable, but with marriage, it has meaning.
I would be indescribably insulted if my husband asked to have an affair
Keep gettin em, Trent 💪
Thanks for your support! -Vanessa
these types of dialogues have got to be somewhat challenging. The human sexual drive is second only to our survival instinct and it’s really tough to convince someone coming from a completely different moral basis of the Christian ethical view of premarital sex. In the end, it’s probably more fruitful to present the full moral case based on religious values and hope to grab people who are open to it, but I still think that making the case to people open to having the dialogue valuable. I’m glad to see both Trent and Alex were doing this conversation in good faith.
Sex is FOR reproduction, biologically speaking, people use it for other things, but that doesn’t mean that’s what it’s for.
It is also for the union of the spouses.
I feel so sorry for this guy. Gosh. Imagine he was an innocent babe in arms once.
The pill with perfect use is about 99% effective, meaning that in a year, 1 out of every 100 women on the pill gets pregnant. This might not sound like alot. It is only a 1% chance! But that translates to 600,000 unexpected pregancies for women on the pill in the US each year, even with perfect use. (Interestingly, there are about 1,000,000 abortions a year in the US as well.) If you were to use the pill for 15 to try and stop pregnancy, there would be about a 3/20 chance, or a 15% chance for you to get pregnant. over the course of 25 years, which is long, but not impossible, you would have about a 1/4 chance of becoming pregnant. Would you own a building if there was a 1/4 chance of its collapse over the course of the next 25 years? For the record, in civil engieering, buildings are designed for a risk of about 1/20000 percent chance of failure within a year, so that there is a 0.5% chance of failure within the next 100 years. That is what safety looks like, not like the pill or condoms.
Great ending remarks.
This man is really living a life devoid of any meaning.
It's quite difficult to convince someone that something is wrong if they don't believe there's such a thing as objective morality
This kind of dialogue is great, both are listening to what the other person is saying and there’s no “this person destroys this other person” in the title haha.
It's interesting to me that "offensive" seems to be his standard for what is "good" or "bad".
First thing that came to mind when listening to this man is Tom Cruise’s character, Frank Mackey, in the movie “Magnolia”. Spot on! 😂
It wasn’t even close. The guy consistently missed the point on several questions which he seemed to not even fully understand. He had no idea what he was saying
Thank God that my son’s Father is good to coparent with and at least my son can see that it’s possible for a Mom and Dad to get along and are actually friends. Maybe I would like it to be different but I am also grateful to God for blessings.
Great video, Trent! It seems that you have an approach to evangelization in which you appeal to natural law and tell people that you don't have to be religious to, for example, believe that abortion and pre-marital sex are wrong. I wonder if you could explain how an approach where you tell people they don't have to be religious to have good morals could eventually convert people to the Catholic Church? Is this a two-tiered approach, where phase 1 is getting people understand the concept of natural law, and phase 2 is getting them to see how natural law feeds into Catholicism?
I came here from whatever and I can only say I am blessed to have been able to find this content. Missionary work is to be done on the fringes of society, where no one expects a Catholic to be.
Thank you for supporting the channel thus far! We are happy that we can provide this kind of content for you! -Vanessa
Perhaps this is an uncharitable take but what I see is sin darkening the intellect in terms of speech, reasoning and even the ability to follow an argument.
I appreciate you engaging perspectives outside of the christian space (catholic vs protestant). Challenging Destiny, Fuentes now the redpill. Great way to get the message out and offer the catholic perspective to those, eho wouldn't normally engage with it.
Thank you so much for watching and for your support! Who else should Trent engage with? -Vanessa
I like the content trent was bringing but I would have loved to see someone at least a bit more seemingly engaged with the debate. My guy was coaching during trents responses 😅
Awesome
19:15 "... I don't think it's the majority of women ..."
It's a common enough trend on social media for women to post *Before --> During --> After* pictures/reels where you can see how obvious the damage was from the birth control. This guy is coping.
There are quite a number of studies coming out that show how birth control, UIDs, etc are affecting women’s bodies for the worst. One cites how BC can alter a woman’s desire so that things like smell can cause her to no longer enjoy her boyfriend’s/SO’s company. Mood changes are also very common, and if they get off BC then some have trouble conceiving or even have cancer markers.
Not to mention the residue chemicals from BC that are extracted from her waste, flushed down the toilet, and hits the water processing plant. Most plants cannot block or neutralize those chemicals, so there’s a high likelihood of those BC chemicals making their way back to faucets/pipes and leaking into the environment where species like fish and frogs are changed because of those chemicals.
Long story short, yes, BC and UIDs do have a big effect on women. Those who are honest will admit it while other women may be too embarrassed to say anything out loud or are drowned out by the “experts” like what happened with Brett Cooper talking about the negative effects of BC.
This guy is frustratingly irrational. I'm truly sorry for the lack of intellectual honesty reigning his world. I also don't know why anyone would take advice from a "dating coach" that isn't even married. He literally has not achieved success in relationships yet. "Hook up coach" might me more like it, and I highly doubt he knows how to attract sane women.
You need to do an in depth video on cheating spouses.
At around 25:00, this guy sounds like he's saying it's my fault that I didn't meet my wife until my 30s and that we shouldn't have had children because of the health risk to the child. Pretty messed up.
He is a hypocrite. He doesn't care about people, he cares about some abstract morality. You have a lot of cases, especially in the past, where widowed people got married.
@@neverstopschweikingWhat you are saying only makes sense if we assume sex is meaningless.
@@brendansheehan6180 I think he meant the other guy not our resident apologist.
There are health risks especially down-syndrome, be aware of that but if you are aware then sure.
@@brendansheehan6180 The meaning of sex is what you assign to it. Some sex ends up in pregnancy, some doesn't, some happens between people married in a catholic church, some between people married in different christian church, some between people married in a holy place of different religion, some between people married in a secular ceremony, some between unmarried people. You clearly decided there is a difference between those types of sex, so why couldn't some of it have a meaning and some be meaningless?
"You can minimize the risks of x while using y and z which also come with considerable risks!"