Some Calvinists don't recognize Catholics as Christians. Protestants and Catholics don't recognize Mormons as Christians. And Baptists don't recognize one another... in the liquor store. 😎
@@emz6133 Sure, but in Catholicism it doesn't matter what the individual Catholic recognizes so much as what the Church recognizes. The Catholic church recognizes drunkenness as a sin, therefore an individual who doesn't is out of line.
@@emz6133 ''Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 2290. 2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to *avoid* every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. '' but it was a funny comment and it made me smile 😊😊
I'm a pentacostal, but I started watching you because of the discussion you had with redeemed zoomer. I never thought I had strawmanned catholisism before I watched you. Thank you for your videoes, they make me less biased (I think, haha).
Thank you for recognizing the strawman arguments Catholics have to face. It's not easy to debunk something when they have a false idea of what we believe and then judge us based on their creation rather than reality.
As someone who is perfectly willing to order a Filet-O-Fish during a regular weekday, I feel this. I often just choose to go vegetarian on Lenten Fridays because I enjoy seafood so much.
@@jonahstephens2904 That's such a good idea! I LOVE fish/seafood, so that meme about eating it not being a real sacrifice hits home for me. I think I will follow your example with a vegetarian Friday for Lent from now on. Thank you!
Psalm 22:1 KJV [1] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Psalm 22:8 KJV [8] He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. Psalm 22 is specifically a prophetic psalm about Jesus on the cross.
A Baptist won't say hi to you when you go to the liquor store. A Lutheran will. A Catholic owns the liquor store. A Muslim owns the tobacco store right next to it. A Jew owns the lease on both stores. A Mormon waves to you all as he drives by. And an Orthodox... well, it's a mystery.
I have no cringe catholic meme but I have an Italian Catholic joke: "Jesus saw an adulterous woman who was to be stoned and said: 'whoever has no sin, get him to throw the first stone' And a stone was thrown on the adulterous woman from behind Jesus. After he saw who had thrown it, he said: 'Mum, please ..."
Similar joke: When the Pharisees saw who Jesus ate with, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, if I only went among people who were not sinners, I would still be living with my mom."
I love this joke but I think it’s funnier when it’s less wordy. The way I heard it, it’s just a pebble that flies by and hits the woman and Jesus turns to the crowd and says “Mother!”
I had a fantastic phone conversation with the local priest yesterday and i am attending my first mass on Saturday (the priest suggested i come to a mass with less people first as i told him i get very nervous meeting new people) I was raised Anglican but fell away in my teenage years and 20 years of atheism followed then one day i watched a debate with a man called john Lennox who is a mathematician professor at oxford and also a Christian and what he said made me realize i had to investigate Christianity's claims with an unbiased mind , a few months later after reading a ton of books and research i fully believed in the death and resurrection of Christ (which was very shocking to me as i didnt expect the outcome). Then i started to think about the various denominational claims (James letter made me really question sola fide) and through my reading the writings of the saints and church fathers i saw that the fullness of the faith lie in Catholicism , Catholic church was THE church established by Jesus through the apostle Peter the first Pope. Then i had to tell my completely protestant family lol that was fun XD and after the initial shock due to the built in anti Catholicism that is found in Protestantism we started to talk and i explained and showed them that what they thought was the catholic church was not the catholic church at all , Catholics dont worship Mary ect and they came around to accepting my choice and i now have their full blessing in becoming Catholic , my mother told me the other day that she could not deny (what we call) the miracle of my conversion (which she had been praying to happen for 20 years) and that the Holy spirit is clearly drawing me in this direction :)
Awesome! If you have the opportunity in your area, also try to attend a Traditional Latin Mass, or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. You've done so much research. Keep it going! God bless you!
Thanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?@@PattiS3
@@PattiS3hanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?
@El-HartoAh ok i see thanks for your explanation of this. Eucharistic miracles where one of many things that brought me to the Catholic church (as an Anglican when i looked i saw we had not had a single one which made me question its validity) The sacraments really spoke to my heart and i longed to partake (especially the Eucharist and also confession which my heart really longs for which some people might find odd lol)
If you can carve out some time, there is a video trilogy on UA-cam called "Mass of the Ages". It would be well worth your time and explains the differences between the TLM and the Novus Ordo Missae. The differences are striking and often a bit sad. Even if you attend the Novus Ordo, it's always good to be aware of its origins and history. I attend either rite depending on the condition of my car 🤪.
@Sergio-xs7zq We have many depictions of Christ, not just on the Cross. Rather than depict the Resurrection with an empty cross, we have many artistic depictions of Christ actually coming forth from the tomb.
@@michaelogrady232 Does it really matter though? I think it's only because the cross is the ultimate symbol of Christianity. Every non Christian knows, when they see a cross, it's a Christian symbol. So I hope this isn't another protestant/Catholic argument, whether it should be an empty tomb or an empty cross to represent. The handy thing about the cross as a symbol of the resurrection, is that even I can draw a cross. I couldn't depict the empty tomb though.
The last meme is actually funny though. I think it can make a lot of catholics, myself included, realize the irony of compensating for the lack of meat by eating really good vegetarian options or fish options. The very point of fasting is thrown out the window the second we start compensating for it.
I practically fast everyday anyway because I barely have time to prepare meals, plus the economy sucks rn. Most Fridays during lent this year, I only had one Panko fish combo from Wendy's for lunch; nothing for breakfast and like a snack for dinner for my 8 hr evening shift.
I love how some of these memes are watermarked with the 5Solas Twitter handle. I'm convinced that guy is just an anti-Catholic troll. If he's serious, then he genuinely thinks that the devil loves the crucifix, because it "shows a weak Jesus." For someone who may be posting very ironic memes, he sure doesn't seem to get the delicious irony of the image of the Crucified Lord.
1:36 In all fairness this one isn’t as foolish as claimed, at least in respect to the reference a strong man pulling it on their own. The method given is a standard bike, I’d be willing to bet even if you were strong enough pull the plane, the bike would like break before or during you getting the plane to move. In which case yes, if you try to atone for your sin by any method other than through God, you will fail. Not sure where this was sourced, but from the meme itself it doesn’t appear as a jab at Catholics. More likely a jab at a Prideful group thinking they are good enough on their own without God.
As a resident of Louisiana, I think the meme of the "commercial fish dishes" actually works here.😅 The Filet-o fish from McDonald's sucks; but real fried shrimp, boiled crawfish, and red snapper are delicious when you get them from a real restaurant or make them yourself. The main thing you sacrifice is your wallet because it is expensive, so true sacrifice would be better eating vegetarian on Lenten Fridays 😅.
Simple. Ask them to pick up their own Bible (NWT), read Rev 1:8, and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!” Then ask them to read you Rev 1:17 and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!” Then ask them to read you the next verse (Rev 1:18) and ask them to explain you how in the world Jehovah says that he was dead and now he is alive. They will pick up their Bible and leave immediately.
I appreciate your willingness to enter into conversation. The other comments here essentially tell you to just shut the door in their face. One of our responsibilities as Catholic Christians is to evangelize. If you don't have good arguments for what you believe, and you choose to just close the door to them, how Christian are you?
I feel like Trent has made videos about talking with groups like JW and Mormons, but maybe it was only the latter. Either way, I know Joe Heschmeyer on “Shameless Popery” had done some video series on talking with JW and Mormons. He goes over the basic arguments and has suggestions on how to converse. I believe he and his wife actually had JWs come by a lot when they were living somewhere, so he has experience in that area. There’s also articles on Catholic Answers about how to talk through those discussions, and other resources as well.
trent....you're an apostate. you've departed from the faith yet still proclaim to live by it. You do not enter the Kingdom, and you prevent others from entering.
I'm a protestant, and I love the apocrypha/deuterocannon. I try to recommend those books to my friends. As well always trying to find a copy of them with each translation that I get.
I will say about that last one, it is a sacrifice cause sometimes you don't want to eat specifically non-meat meals BUT I kind of love eating fish during Lent cause I think about the loaves and the fish and the fact that some of the apostles were fishermen and they'd have eaten fish a lot.
Every time I saw an prot or a post sayng "The Apocrypha Gospels", I tought they were talking about the Gnostic (fake) Ghospels, I really belived they also called them Deuterocanon as us
Clarification on the last meme about fish because some Catholics are claiming the meme is valid: it is a Friday _abstinence_ NOT a fast (except on Good Friday).
The fried fish one is actually funny as there is a grain of truth there… but it also misses much of the point. With Lenten abstinence from meat we have built-in moments of reflection throughout the day to reorientate ourselves to Christ and our need for him. We change our routine out of obedience and love. These actions are a form of prayer. And this is unifying as we do this as one with the Church as we go through this season together. But yeah, I have laughed at myself for looking forward so much to delicious meals (like Chinese shrimp dishes, as salmon, etc.), that break me out of my usual routine. There is indeed some irony and humor to be found there. And of course the Church understands that abstinence from meat is not going to be the same level of “sacrifice” for everyone - and it never claims that it is. But in prayerfully abstaining in unity with the Church, we are all moving in the same direction. And if we feel inspired and called to sacrifice more, we can certainly do that too.
His point is right. It's kind of like prohibitions on polygamy or other Church doctrine (or meta things like how we know which books are in the Bible in the first place) where protestants can't draw these conclusions from their supposed view of sola scriptura. The point would be to illustrate the dissonance between what they say, this increasingly barebones conception of sola scriptura, vs how they actually act with traditions and authorities
Does your church condemn wearing gold or Pearl jewelry? It seems pretty explicit from the text that that is to be avoided as sin. That would be far more explicit than the implicit command to dress modestly in a modern sense.
"Modest" can just mean "moderate." Someone with a modest income would be neither rich nor poor. Having modest dress can mean having "moderate" clothes, which are not extravagant.
7:38 actually those aren't three separate dragons, but the 3 heads of King Ghidorah, because in the 2019 movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters they tried giving each head it's own personality with the 3rd head being more curious that the other two. which actually makes the mem not work for protestants because since all are of the same dragon it would imply that all 3 are scripture.
We have crucifixes to reminded us of Jesus’s love for us, the same reason I have pics of my kids as babies even though they are no longer babies. If you don’t have crucifixes because “Jesus is Risen,” then don’t have pictures of your kids as babies.
Trent, praying to the Holy Spirit isn’t in the Bible argument is weak. If you gonna come up with that, you’ll only make Protestants laugh. There are verses in the Bible that clearly talk about at least praying through the Holy Spirit. What do you think praying in tongues is all about? The Holy Spirit is ONE with God! The Holy Spirit IS GOD! And the whole “trinity isn’t in the Bible” argument is so overused and overdone and WEAK at best! One must be baptized in the name of Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! You can’t get anymore clear than that. So there are in fact verses that support the trinity! But praying to Mary? Zero! The whole wedding at Cana situation is a very weak supporting argument. The difference is huge! Asking Mary face to face for help vs asking Mary who’s in Heaven and there is zero biblical support that she can hear you. That’s the issue here! As for the sinner’s prayer, it is in fact in the Bible. Stop embarrassing yourself Trent! “All who declare that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.” 1 John 4:15 it means that all it takes is verbally confess that you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to be saved. You could argue against that, sure, but stop using the “sinner’s prayer isn’t in the Bible” argument! It’s pathetic and weak! Praying to Mary is a much, much bigger issue than a “sinner’s prayer”. Get real!
As a Catholic a lot of these weren't all that good when it comes to Trents usual standards. But maybe these memes are so cringy, this is what they get?
On the use of Crucifixes, I love what Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen said on the matter "The modern world, which denies personal guilt and admits only social crimes, which has no place for personal repentance but only public reforms, has divorced Christ from His Cross; the Bridegroom and Bride have been pulled apart. What God hath joined together, men have torn asunder. As a result, to the left is the Cross; to the right is Christ. Each has awaited new partners who will pick them up in a kind of second and adulterous union. Communism comes along and picks up the meaningless Cross; Western post-Christian civilization chooses the unscarred Christ. Communism has chosen the Cross in the sense that it has brought back to an egotistic world a sense of discipline, self-abnegation, surrender, hard work, study, and dedication to supra-individual goals. But the Cross without Christ is sacrifice without love. Hence, Communism has produced a society that is authoritarian, cruel, oppressive of human freedom, filled with concentration camps, firing squads, and brain-washings. The Western post-Christian civilization has picked up the Christ without His Cross. But a Christ without a sacrifice that reconciles the world to God is a cheap, feminized, colourless, itinerant preacher who deserves to be popular for His great Sermon on the Mount, but also merits unpopularity for what He said about His Divinity on the one hand, and divorce, judgment, and hell on the other. This sentimental Christ is patched together with a thousand commonplaces, sustained sometimes by academic etymologists who cannot see the Word for the letters, or distorted beyond personal recognition by a dogmatic principle that anything which is Divine must necessarily be a myth. Without His Cross, He becomes nothing more than a sultry precursor of democracy or a humanitarian who taught brotherhood without tears."
I'm a protestant who has done many hours of research of the history of the Canon and don't know how us Protestants who reject the deuterocanonicals can accept Esther and Revelation. My research indicates at the very least Baruch, Wisdom and Sirach were listed in as many canons from the second century to the 6th century as Esther and Revelation. Tobit seems to have alot attestation as well
Catholic here: just wanted to point out that your argument for the Deuterocanonicals is faulty, as that verse in Matthew is also a reference to Psalm 22:8. God bless!
Some of these you need to take the L on. Most of these rebuttals are how to say this...Like how Jews get around certain sabbath laws by having little obvious tricks with say light switches. "Well it doesn't say I can't have a timer turn on the stove..." The rebuttal about fish and chips is hilarious. Like Hello Mate, fish and chips is an integral part of a whole countries food culture, innit? Have you never been to the South? We have fish fry's that contain no read meat and are absolutely filling. After getting stuffed on fried catfish, hush puppies and okra. I never really felt like I was doing anything penitent but I guess I was. Who knew?
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11 Kjv.
This passage supports the fact that Mary is indeed Blessed, because not only did she bear Our Lord in her womb and nursed Him, but above all she heard the word of God and kept it. (See Luke 1:41-45) And we are called to do the same as the Blessed Virgin Mary in serving Our Lord Jesus and hearing the word of God and keeping it.
@@amandadolekary Prayer in the ancient and biblical context merely means to ask someone for something. Prayer is not worship nor even adoration, and christians pray to other christians for support and intervention all the time.
@@siruristtheturtle1289 Why would pray to the dead then. They were people that prayed to the dead in the bible you know what they were called sorcerers.
I’m sorry but the 8th meme has some merit. I’m going through catechism right now, but I have absolutely watched my Catholic in-laws and their friends go out and order crab, lobster and crawfish on Fridays, because they can’t eat ‘meat’.
What is the relationship between mortal sins of omission, good works, and salvation? Many Catholic apologists today say that baptized Christians merely need to avoid mortal sin, but seems like a "sneaky" way of avoiding talking about the role of works in keeping/maintaining one's salvation.
A proper way of speaking about it, and this is the way the Catechism speaks about it, is that the supernatural life of the soul is animated by charity, just as our natural body is animated by our soul. It follows that anything that destroys the gift of charity in us, results in the loss of supernatural life. Just how faith is completely lost by believing something contrary to the faith, such as that the Father begot more Sons besides Jesus. It is also lost by omitting beliefs essential to the faith, for example the Trinity. This is because faith is "a firm resolve to everywhere and always hold to everything revealed by God, because it is revealed by God". In the same way charity is a firm resolve to everywhere and always will the good of God, because he is God, and by extension the good of our neighbors, because they belong to God. Now to omit something essential to the love of God, or to commit something contrary to the love of God completely destroys charity, as heresy destroys faith. These things we call "mortal sins" because they destroy charity, which is the life of the spiritual organism.
@@danieljoyce6199 Thank you for your response! While I completely agree, greatly appreciate it, and consider it fairly thorough and wholistic in one sense, it also lacks directness and conciseness in another sense. So let me try a yes or no question or two, if you will humor me: Is the grave refusal to do a good work a mortal sin? (Yes, "grave refusal" begs for definition and clarification, but I have in mind Jesus' words regarding the consequences of not bearing fruit, not caring for the poor, hungry, thirsty, naked, imprisoned, etc., like the case of the rich man and Lazarus.) If yes, then wouldn't it be somewhat misleading to say "all you have to do is avoid mortal sin" and perhaps incorrect to say "salvation is not dependent on doing good works but merely avoiding mortal sin"?
If you have a baby in a crib and let your baby die by _not_ feeding him or her, you are definitely in mortal sin. You have an absolute obligation to feed your kids. So sure, feeding your kids is a work that's required for salvation. But it's important to caveat this with the acknowledgement that feeding your kids doesn't _earn_ you salvation; it's a work required to retain grace from God because letting your children is so heinous
@@tonyl3762 I think the reason why some apologists say this is because of the mindset that the Catholic Church teaches that good works must be done in order to be saved. Technically they don't, think about the disabled, they might be incapable of doing any good works. Also, wanted to add that salvation isn't depended on doing good works, it is dependent on remaining in a state of grace, which for some might only be possible through good works, for others no good works might be necessary. I think at the end of the day we need to keep in mind that there is no one size fits all here, so it really isn't possible to lay out one ground rule for the "relationship between mortal sins of omission, good works, and salvation" that are going to fit every single persons life. Hope this helps God Bless
@@sivad1025 Shouldn't we as Catholics (including professional apologists) be upfront that there are some obligatory good works that must be done to _retain_ our salvation? *Why is there not a lot of talk about good works being required to keep/maintain/retain one's salvation??* I agree with you though. I don't have an absolute obligation to feed some very specific starving person I don't know halfway around the world, but the rich man had an absolute obligation to care for Lazarus, whom he stepped over to leave his own house. I consider myself obligated to have food gift cards or care packages ready to give to beggars in my local area (I don't believe it is actually charitable to give cash out of laziness, knowing that cash probably won't serve the good of many beggars).
The 5th meme reminds me of that St Jerome quote. Surely Biblical literalists will come out against wearing any kind of gold jewelry even a plain wedding band, but yes, it is the essence of the Bible that you should be both modest in not signaling conspicuous consumption and being modest with sexuality.
Don’t make me laugh Trent. Your logical conclusion that praying to Mary comes from somebody in The New Testament account making a request of Mary? That is quite the leap. I do appreciate your take to help better understand some of the Catholic positions but this argument seems pretty weak. Haha but very nice on the “did not… didn’t” and The Office reference. Made me laugh for real at that.
Honestly if you think that's a stretch I challenge you to value scripture more. Each little part of scripture is so deep and full of meaning that even the greatest theologian couldn't hope to fully unpack it in his lifetime. The wedding feast at Cana is one of my favorite accounts. Jesus' very first public miracle was at the request of his mother who was making the request on behalf of someone who was obviously close to her. Her last words in scripture are "do whatever he tells you" and then he performs the miracle of water to wine. There is so much rich and deep meaning there that if you don't see it you are just holding onto bias.
@@amandadolekaryYou are the one making here a massive assumption not found in the Scripture: Where exactly it is writen that prayers are only to be given to God? One has to wonder if all those times people in the past say "pray tell me" they were in sin, because that's an easy jump from your position.
I‘d appreciate doing more work on the front of Orthodoxy. No knowledgable catholic is even remotely tempted by becoming a protestant but Eastern Orthodoxy is gaining a lot of popularity and I find it hard to find arguments to refute Jay Dyer for example…
Wow if men and women can dress revealing their body parts and it’s not a sin then there’s no such thing as the sin of lust that entices and provokes immorality Whoo wee how to understand this is beyond my understanding
@@juld55 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. - John 14:13-14
The only thing that was cringe about the first one was the alleged rebuttal. 0:31 "Where does Scripture say that the only prayers we can say are those found in Scripture?" This is a classic strawman. The meme does not imply that this is the case in any way. The objection that protestants have to praying to Mary do not relate to the specific words said, but rather that they are directed to Mary instead of to God. 1:03 "Also, one reason that the Bible probably wouldn't record prayers to Mary in heaven is that she was still alive." So do you think that people were going physically to Mary after Jesus' ascension and asking her her to pray to Jesus to do things for them? It's not impossible, but again, it's just not seen at all in Scripture. We see a lot of prayers going directly to God, though, and that Jesus is the one mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2;5) 1:18 "But the Bible does contain people making _requests_ to Mary." (emphasis in original) This is a huge reach and one not worth making. After all, we see God make a request to Satan in Job; does that mean that God prays to Satan? We see Jesus make a request to have the people brought to Him for healing; does that mean Jesus prays to people? We see Jesus make a request of Judas Iscariot; does that mean Jesus prays to Judas Iscariot? The one place where we see a prayer to the departed, Saul to Samuel, Samuel is allowed to hear and respond, but only to tell Saul he should not have attempted to contact him.
Saul wanted to contact him about information, the early church didn't do that, they ask the saint to intercede for them, big difference, their are inscription in the catacombs asking Peter and Paul to pray for them
5:11 Some of the most gaudy/expensive clothing for women can also be the most lust-enticing if seen in public/by men not married to the woman wearing them. Ex. Yoga pants.
I never found the first one for using an antiquated term for pray, which is an adverb, not verb, holds for praying to saints or Mary. Prayer is for God. There is no directive, no history of the Jews ever doing it, and Jesus specifically instructed us how to pray, and it was only to God. Every instruction of request for prayer in the NT (or OT) was always to pray to God. This is why we only accept and only practice, praying only to God.
Interesting titbit: In Revelation, the 24 heavenly Elders have the prayers of the saints in bowls which they offer to God. Saints isn't used in the New Testament referring to dead saints but actually Christians who are still alive on Earth. So these heavenly beings, being either angels or humans or representative of some heavenly truth, act as intermediaries and give the prayers of these people on Earth to God. So they are literally interceding and giving prayers to God that God didn't already receive. And these prayers were made by humans who are still alive on Earth. Heavenly intercession confirmed by the Bible.
Very thought-provoking, as usual. I appreciate your work in the Kingdom. I'm a Calvinist. I would love to hear your take on a couple of books I published. I also have one coming out this year on a defense of a modified form of Calvinism. I expect to get some heat from that one. But your insights would be most helpful. The author name is RS Trifulescu. The first two works are on Christianity basics. I know you are quite busy, so no problem if you don't have time for this amateur. God bless you and your work!
Actually that first meme is correct. The bible doesnt support praying to Mary and neither does the catholic church, because God is the only one we pray to and we ask for prayers of Mary and the saints.
Just want to point out that the word pray means to ask. So the meaning of the phrase praying to Mary actually means we ask for the prayers of Mary and the saints. Basically we pray(ask) Mary to pray(ask) God on our behalf. Just because modern day Christians choose to define the word pray differently than it has been defined all throughout history doesn't mean it's not supported.
If I make a request of Mary, is it the same as making a request of my mother, who also happens to be in Heaven? You can pray to anyone, but is it efficacious? Only God can answer prayer. And we don’t need priests or saints to intercede on our behalf because there is only one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.
And I guess we're starting out 30 seconds in with an argument from silence followed by farcical misdirection. Is this really the direction you want to take? Just to show how utterly absurd this line of thinking is, I'm going to ask the patron saint of tasty condiments to pass the ketchup. Oh, the dead guy isn't going to slide it across the table, you say? Huh--must be a difference between praying for ketchup as opposed to praying for spiritual blessings. Now reverse the thought: should I pray to the passenger sitting next to me in a car for a safe journey? Huh--it's almost like we innately understand that there's nothing to be gained by asking a corporeal entity for supernatural guidance and protection. I'd bet that this stark distinction has something to do why the English language adapted over time in its usage to draw a distinction between the spiritual act of prayer and general inquiry of people to pass the salt. So, do you think there might be a bit of a difference between somebody asking Mary to talk to her Son about some wine when they were both physically present at the ceremony versus praying some intercessory prayer to her beyond the grave? Good gravy man. I'm out.
exactly. And Trent is well smart enough to know his response on that one is ridiculous. He will parse and finely slice every last logical fallacy and bad argument when discussing things like abortion (and I think he does a good job at it), but then all of a sudden those same skills fade away when dealing with a doctrine he doesn't want to admit is wrong. I think Trent brings a lot to the table and I enjoy his videos but this argument on his part was baaaaaadd.
@@maxspringer01 Yup. I feel that it's good to be hard on this absurdity specifically because he knows better. A major pet peeve of mine is when those with robust argumentation during debate hurl sloppy low effort responses at things when they're monologuing and know they won't be immediately ripped to shreds by an opponent.
I agree with most of your responses to these memes, so I'll focus on our disagreements. You say meme 5 undermines Protestantism because there is no verse that restricts women from dressing immodestly. Hence, we apparently need a magisterium for that. But Trent...that line of reasoning is very, very problematic. You're essentially saying that we can't use theological reason extracted from Scripture to apply it to concrete issues. Scripture teaches that our primary orientation towards one another should be love, and of course commends inner modesty. Yet, that's inevitably going to have an impact on the kinds of clothes one wears (1 Timothy 2:9, for instance). If someone has a modest and humble disposition, they will wear clothes fitting to that disposition (both men and women). Further, "unnecessary stumbling blocks" also apply to both men and women here; both men and women, if they are thinking in the logic of love, are going to dress so as to love their neighbors in any given context and not occasion sin to the extent they can. Now your point that this can only be inferred doesn't in the least rebut Protestantism. Hence why all our confessions (Westminster and Augsburg alike) speak of good and necessary consequence. Your rebuttal, ironically, shows one of the major ways the Roman church poorly catechizes people: by teaching people not to use theological reason and actually see the world through Scripture, and let another do the thinking for them. PS: When is the last time I fasted? Several times through Lent, and during holy week :)
How was Trent's point about not using reason? His point is that we should use reason but scripture provides guard rails. The fact is, Protestant churches can't even agree regarding if gay men can get married to each other or if women can be elders. Most Protestants say that women shouldn't be expected to cover their heads because that was merely a tradition. So why can't you conclude that modest dressing is merely a tradition (as many Protestants have concluded!)? Why can't we conclude that because cultural standards have changed so much, cleavage isn't super scandalous and thus it's totally permissible for women to let their breasts out a little? Of course we can use reason, but Christians use bad reason all the time which is why the Church is needed to settle disputes, as Jesus describes in Matthew 18. Protestants have no ground to stand on when telling other Protestants that their Biblical interpretation is wrong regarding attire outside your own personal interpretation. Of course Jesus gave us reason to convince others. But he also gave us a Church and church authority to correct bad behavior
9:53 Your reaching with that last meme to be offended. Here in the UK fish and chips on Fridays is a favourite meal for both protestants and Catholics alike.
Seeing Trent mention the Council of Trent is like when people say the name of the movie in the movie
"You wouldn't want to do that, buster. Because I'm Morbius, and it's starting to feel like Morbin Time. 😎"
Cinematic history.
I struggle to not misspell "Council" when I'm talking about the actual Council of Trent b/c of this channel lol
You did it, you have finally become the counsel of Trent
That's the name of the movie!
Roll credits
Some Calvinists don't recognize Catholics as Christians.
Protestants and Catholics don't recognize Mormons as Christians.
And Baptists don't recognize one another... in the liquor store. 😎
I may have to go to confession for it,
but I’m stealing this joke. It’s too good.😂
Many Catholics don't consider Protestants as Christians
Well, most Catholics don't recognize drunkenness as a sin
@@emz6133 Sure, but in Catholicism it doesn't matter what the individual Catholic recognizes so much as what the Church recognizes. The Catholic church recognizes drunkenness as a sin, therefore an individual who doesn't is out of line.
@@emz6133 ''Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 2290. 2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to *avoid* every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. ''
but it was a funny comment and it made me smile 😊😊
I'm a pentacostal, but I started watching you because of the discussion you had with redeemed zoomer. I never thought I had strawmanned catholisism before I watched you. Thank you for your videoes, they make me less biased (I think, haha).
Good to have you here. Do continue looking into what we believe, and perhaps the beauty will draw you in
Thank you for recognizing the strawman arguments Catholics have to face. It's not easy to debunk something when they have a false idea of what we believe and then judge us based on their creation rather than reality.
I am an ex-Pentecostal (note spelling), and the number of thugs and tards I avoid by not going to yr churches is very large
Same here
what zoomer?
That last meme about seafood penance is actually a perfectly valid criticism. I sometimes find myself looking forward to Fridays for the seafood.
As someone who is perfectly willing to order a Filet-O-Fish during a regular weekday, I feel this. I often just choose to go vegetarian on Lenten Fridays because I enjoy seafood so much.
Vatican II allows Catholics to substitute other more penitential foods/items for meat. ✝️🙏❤️
@@jonahstephens2904 That's such a good idea! I LOVE fish/seafood, so that meme about eating it not being a real sacrifice hits home for me. I think I will follow your example with a vegetarian Friday for Lent from now on. Thank you!
Correct
I fast and abstain on Fridays during Lent so bring me the fried fish at the Parish. I do need to begin regularly doing that penance outside of Lent
The empty tomb prove the resurrection, not the empty cross, that was gold Trent ❤
There's even a Christian rock band called "Barren Cross!" 😃
that's pretty basic argumentation
@@husq48Great band. Love their anti-abortion song “Killers of the Unborn”.
I dont think anyone is trying to 'prove' the resurrection with the empty cross or 'prove' the crucifixion with crucifix- not great argumentation.
Psalm 22:1 KJV
[1] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psalm 22:8 KJV
[8] He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
Psalm 22 is specifically a prophetic psalm about Jesus on the cross.
A Baptist won't say hi to you when you go to the liquor store.
A Lutheran will.
A Catholic owns the liquor store.
A Muslim owns the tobacco store right next to it.
A Jew owns the lease on both stores.
A Mormon waves to you all as he drives by.
And an Orthodox... well, it's a mystery.
I have no cringe catholic meme but I have an Italian Catholic joke:
"Jesus saw an adulterous woman who was to be stoned and said:
'whoever has no sin, get him to throw the first stone'
And a stone was thrown on the adulterous woman from behind Jesus.
After he saw who had thrown it, he said: 'Mum, please ..."
Similar joke:
When the Pharisees saw who Jesus ate with, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?"
On hearing this, Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, if I only went among people who were not sinners, I would still be living with my mom."
Now thats a good and saint joke
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Both hilarious and true! I like this one much more than the stoning one. 🤣🤣🤣
😂
I love this joke but I think it’s funnier when it’s less wordy. The way I heard it, it’s just a pebble that flies by and hits the woman and Jesus turns to the crowd and says “Mother!”
I had a fantastic phone conversation with the local priest yesterday and i am attending my first mass on Saturday (the priest suggested i come to a mass with less people first as i told him i get very nervous meeting new people) I was raised Anglican but fell away in my teenage years and 20 years of atheism followed then one day i watched a debate with a man called john Lennox who is a mathematician professor at oxford and also a Christian and what he said made me realize i had to investigate Christianity's claims with an unbiased mind , a few months later after reading a ton of books and research i fully believed in the death and resurrection of Christ (which was very shocking to me as i didnt expect the outcome). Then i started to think about the various denominational claims (James letter made me really question sola fide) and through my reading the writings of the saints and church fathers i saw that the fullness of the faith lie in Catholicism , Catholic church was THE church established by Jesus through the apostle Peter the first Pope. Then i had to tell my completely protestant family lol that was fun XD and after the initial shock due to the built in anti Catholicism that is found in Protestantism we started to talk and i explained and showed them that what they thought was the catholic church was not the catholic church at all , Catholics dont worship Mary ect and they came around to accepting my choice and i now have their full blessing in becoming Catholic , my mother told me the other day that she could not deny (what we call) the miracle of my conversion (which she had been praying to happen for 20 years) and that the Holy spirit is clearly drawing me in this direction :)
Awesome! If you have the opportunity in your area, also try to attend a Traditional Latin Mass, or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. You've done so much research. Keep it going! God bless you!
Thanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?@@PattiS3
@@PattiS3hanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?
@El-HartoAh ok i see thanks for your explanation of this. Eucharistic miracles where one of many things that brought me to the Catholic church (as an Anglican when i looked i saw we had not had a single one which made me question its validity) The sacraments really spoke to my heart and i longed to partake (especially the Eucharist and also confession which my heart really longs for which some people might find odd lol)
If you can carve out some time, there is a video trilogy on UA-cam called "Mass of the Ages". It would be well worth your time and explains the differences between the TLM and the Novus Ordo Missae. The differences are striking and often a bit sad. Even if you attend the Novus Ordo, it's always good to be aware of its origins and history. I attend either rite depending on the condition of my car 🤪.
"But we preach Christ crucified." Hence, the Corpus.
Protestants to that verse: “LALALALALALALALA”
Yes , now we want a giant mary carrying a baby jesus statue
@Sergio-xs7zq We have many depictions of Christ, not just on the Cross. Rather than depict the Resurrection with an empty cross, we have many artistic depictions of Christ actually coming forth from the tomb.
@@michaelogrady232 Does it really matter though? I think it's only because the cross is the ultimate symbol of Christianity. Every non Christian knows, when they see a cross, it's a Christian symbol. So I hope this isn't another protestant/Catholic argument, whether it should be an empty tomb or an empty cross to represent. The handy thing about the cross as a symbol of the resurrection, is that even I can draw a cross. I couldn't depict the empty tomb though.
Fun fact: "Pretty please" comes from "Prithee please," which comes from the somewhat redundant "I pray thee please."
I wouldn't say it's redundant.
"Please" is short for "if you please", i.e., "if it pleases you".
Ahhh, the Counsel of Trent comment section, aka: Nerd Central. 🤓
A fellow word nerd, I see…
Excellent!
I'm Protestant and I'm cringe so this is my kinda video. *grabs popcorn*
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I'm Catholic but I am also cringe so I can relate.
@@paulmualdeave5063...what?
Please read my comment.
The last meme is actually funny though. I think it can make a lot of catholics, myself included, realize the irony of compensating for the lack of meat by eating really good vegetarian options or fish options. The very point of fasting is thrown out the window the second we start compensating for it.
I practically fast everyday anyway because I barely have time to prepare meals, plus the economy sucks rn. Most Fridays during lent this year, I only had one Panko fish combo from Wendy's for lunch; nothing for breakfast and like a snack for dinner for my 8 hr evening shift.
“Wait, it’s all cringey?”
“Always has been.”
Trent is it time for bad Catholic memes? We are not immune from cringe.
Although I am catholic I actually found half of them funny and not cringy. Please make more content like this. Peace be with you.
I love how some of these memes are watermarked with the 5Solas Twitter handle. I'm convinced that guy is just an anti-Catholic troll. If he's serious, then he genuinely thinks that the devil loves the crucifix, because it "shows a weak Jesus." For someone who may be posting very ironic memes, he sure doesn't seem to get the delicious irony of the image of the Crucified Lord.
Thou shalt not make no image or idol of the Lord thy God
Don't engage with him. His only purpose is to monetize interactions with ragebait.
@@amandadolekary How is a crucifix an idol? How is representing Christ on the cross an idol?
@@siruristtheturtle1289I thought she was making fun of the awful grammar. “Not make no”
@@EpoRose1Sorry, I had a typical ESL moment
If they hate the """extra books""",they should stop naming their kids tobias for example.
What…?
@@BK-rl5lw Tobias is in the book of Tobit, which Protestants removed from their Bibles.
@@BK-rl5lwtobit.
Ive met some Toby's but never any Tobias. Maybe Toby is the English equivalent.
@@michaels7325 the only Tobias I have heard of is the NBA player Tobias Harris
1:36
In all fairness this one isn’t as foolish as claimed, at least in respect to the reference a strong man pulling it on their own.
The method given is a standard bike, I’d be willing to bet even if you were strong enough pull the plane, the bike would like break before or during you getting the plane to move.
In which case yes, if you try to atone for your sin by any method other than through God, you will fail.
Not sure where this was sourced, but from the meme itself it doesn’t appear as a jab at Catholics. More likely a jab at a Prideful group thinking they are good enough on their own without God.
The last meme would’ve worked if it was a high end seafood feast with lobster and crab cakes.
Or crazy sushi rolls.
That verse from wisdom in response to meme 7 was actually a really good point.
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As a resident of Louisiana, I think the meme of the "commercial fish dishes" actually works here.😅
The Filet-o fish from McDonald's sucks; but real fried shrimp, boiled crawfish, and red snapper are delicious when you get them from a real restaurant or make them yourself.
The main thing you sacrifice is your wallet because it is expensive, so true sacrifice would be better eating vegetarian on Lenten Fridays 😅.
Gator you catch yourself?
@@michaelmicek I have never been on a gator hunt, but I would be happy to go on one. They taste delicious fried.
Eggs
Can you please make a video debunking Jehovah's witnesses, they keep on knocking on my door and I don't know what to say. Christ is risen ☦.
Jehovah book is on 16th Century, Not 1st Century
Simple.
Ask them to pick up their own Bible (NWT), read Rev 1:8, and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!”
Then ask them to read you Rev 1:17 and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!”
Then ask them to read you the next verse (Rev 1:18) and ask them to explain you how in the world Jehovah says that he was dead and now he is alive.
They will pick up their Bible and leave immediately.
I appreciate your willingness to enter into conversation. The other comments here essentially tell you to just shut the door in their face. One of our responsibilities as Catholic Christians is to evangelize. If you don't have good arguments for what you believe, and you choose to just close the door to them, how Christian are you?
I feel like Trent has made videos about talking with groups like JW and Mormons, but maybe it was only the latter.
Either way, I know Joe Heschmeyer on “Shameless Popery” had done some video series on talking with JW and Mormons. He goes over the basic arguments and has suggestions on how to converse. I believe he and his wife actually had JWs come by a lot when they were living somewhere, so he has experience in that area.
There’s also articles on Catholic Answers about how to talk through those discussions, and other resources as well.
Sam Shamoun's the guy for that
The Rebuttibg Memes series is my favorite
trent....you're an apostate. you've departed from the faith yet still proclaim to live by it. You do not enter the Kingdom, and you prevent others from entering.
Hmmm. I thought it was Protestants who were schismatics!
Trent the type of guy to have a deep theological discussion about memes.
Love him for it.
I'm a protestant, and I love the apocrypha/deuterocannon. I try to recommend those books to my friends. As well always trying to find a copy of them with each translation that I get.
They're not Apocrypha. They're Scripture
Get yourself a Catholic Bible
@MarvelGamer2023 I use that term because those Bible's have 3rd and 4th maccabees as well as 1st and 2nd Esdras.
@@fddooley1 I have a couple, NABRE and New Jerusalem.
I will say about that last one, it is a sacrifice cause sometimes you don't want to eat specifically non-meat meals BUT I kind of love eating fish during Lent cause I think about the loaves and the fish and the fact that some of the apostles were fishermen and they'd have eaten fish a lot.
The one in the thumbnail about the Apocrypha is hilarious.
Every time I saw an prot or a post sayng "The Apocrypha Gospels", I tought they were talking about the Gnostic (fake) Ghospels, I really belived they also called them Deuterocanon as us
Channel One news. Trent, I’m glad to see we are in the same generation lol
As someone who doesn’t enjoy meat of any kind (except sushi)… I do no-dessert-Friday during lent.
7:39 It’s not a fearsome dragon, it’s king geedorah!!
Trent, please, it’s not just a scary dragon… it’s KING GHIDORAH
Clarification on the last meme about fish because some Catholics are claiming the meme is valid: it is a Friday _abstinence_ NOT a fast (except on Good Friday).
The fried fish one is actually funny as there is a grain of truth there… but it also misses much of the point. With Lenten abstinence from meat we have built-in moments of reflection throughout the day to reorientate ourselves to Christ and our need for him. We change our routine out of obedience and love. These actions are a form of prayer. And this is unifying as we do this as one with the Church as we go through this season together.
But yeah, I have laughed at myself for looking forward so much to delicious meals (like Chinese shrimp dishes, as salmon, etc.), that break me out of my usual routine. There is indeed some irony and humor to be found there. And of course the Church understands that abstinence from meat is not going to be the same level of “sacrifice” for everyone - and it never claims that it is. But in prayerfully abstaining in unity with the Church, we are all moving in the same direction. And if we feel inspired and called to sacrifice more, we can certainly do that too.
C'mom Trent, the modest dress is a weak argument, this is just common sense from the whole counsel of God.
His point is right. It's kind of like prohibitions on polygamy or other Church doctrine (or meta things like how we know which books are in the Bible in the first place) where protestants can't draw these conclusions from their supposed view of sola scriptura. The point would be to illustrate the dissonance between what they say, this increasingly barebones conception of sola scriptura, vs how they actually act with traditions and authorities
Noooo you can’t have a nuanced view of sola scriptura 😭
Does your church condemn wearing gold or Pearl jewelry? It seems pretty explicit from the text that that is to be avoided as sin. That would be far more explicit than the implicit command to dress modestly in a modern sense.
@@SevereFamine 🤣
I thought it was Sola scriptura? So now it's Bible alone and common sense from the whole counsel of God alone?
Whoa, I haven’t thought about Channel One in almost two decades. That Verb commercial is still in my head. “We could step into the suuuuuuuun” 🎶
I’m so old, I remember when ANDERSON COOPER was on Channel 1.
5:40 (or so) then how the hell do you define "modestly"? Because I sure know how to define immodest. Crazy.
"Modest" can just mean "moderate." Someone with a modest income would be neither rich nor poor. Having modest dress can mean having "moderate" clothes, which are not extravagant.
7:38
actually those aren't three separate dragons, but the 3 heads of King Ghidorah, because in the 2019 movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters they tried giving each head it's own personality with the 3rd head being more curious that the other two.
which actually makes the mem not work for protestants because since all are of the same dragon it would imply that all 3 are scripture.
We have crucifixes to reminded us of Jesus’s love for us, the same reason I have pics of my kids as babies even though they are no longer babies. If you don’t have crucifixes because “Jesus is
Risen,” then don’t have pictures of your kids as babies.
Trent, praying to the Holy Spirit isn’t in the Bible argument is weak. If you gonna come up with that, you’ll only make Protestants laugh. There are verses in the Bible that clearly talk about at least praying through the Holy Spirit. What do you think praying in tongues is all about? The Holy Spirit is ONE with God! The Holy Spirit IS GOD! And the whole “trinity isn’t in the Bible” argument is so overused and overdone and WEAK at best! One must be baptized in the name of Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! You can’t get anymore clear than that. So there are in fact verses that support the trinity! But praying to Mary? Zero! The whole wedding at Cana situation is a very weak supporting argument. The difference is huge! Asking Mary face to face for help vs asking Mary who’s in Heaven and there is zero biblical support that she can hear you. That’s the issue here! As for the sinner’s prayer, it is in fact in the Bible. Stop embarrassing yourself Trent! “All who declare that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.” 1 John 4:15 it means that all it takes is verbally confess that you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to be saved. You could argue against that, sure, but stop using the “sinner’s prayer isn’t in the Bible” argument! It’s pathetic and weak! Praying to Mary is a much, much bigger issue than a “sinner’s prayer”. Get real!
Future protestants are going to upgrade that image to be a Mecha-King Ghidorah meme, which they will then send back in time to re-fight Trent.
As a Catholic a lot of these weren't all that good when it comes to Trents usual standards. But maybe these memes are so cringy, this is what they get?
On the use of Crucifixes, I love what Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen said on the matter "The modern world, which denies personal guilt and admits only social crimes, which has no place for personal repentance but only public reforms, has divorced Christ from His Cross; the Bridegroom and Bride have been pulled apart. What God hath joined together, men have torn asunder. As a result, to the left is the Cross; to the right is Christ. Each has awaited new partners who will pick them up in a kind of second and adulterous union. Communism comes along and picks up the meaningless Cross; Western post-Christian civilization chooses the unscarred Christ.
Communism has chosen the Cross in the sense that it has brought back to an egotistic world a sense of discipline, self-abnegation, surrender, hard work, study, and dedication to supra-individual goals. But the Cross without Christ is sacrifice without love. Hence, Communism has produced a society that is authoritarian, cruel, oppressive of human freedom, filled with concentration camps, firing squads, and brain-washings.
The Western post-Christian civilization has picked up the Christ without His Cross. But a Christ without a sacrifice that reconciles the world to God is a cheap, feminized, colourless, itinerant preacher who deserves to be popular for His great Sermon on the Mount, but also merits unpopularity for what He said about His Divinity on the one hand, and divorce, judgment, and hell on the other. This sentimental Christ is patched together with a thousand commonplaces, sustained sometimes by academic etymologists who cannot see the Word for the letters, or distorted beyond personal recognition by a dogmatic principle that anything which is Divine must necessarily be a myth. Without His Cross, He becomes nothing more than a sultry precursor of democracy or a humanitarian who taught brotherhood without tears."
So what I'm gathering is that I should be promulgating a bunch of bad protestant memes if I want to get featured on the Counsel.
I'm a protestant who has done many hours of research of the history of the Canon and don't know how us Protestants who reject the deuterocanonicals can accept Esther and Revelation. My research indicates at the very least Baruch, Wisdom and Sirach were listed in as many canons from the second century to the 6th century as Esther and Revelation. Tobit seems to have alot attestation as well
Not Canon. Old Testament is Jewish Canon. Exclusively. Cathol8cs have no right to add to it.
Catholic here: just wanted to point out that your argument for the Deuterocanonicals is faulty, as that verse in Matthew is also a reference to Psalm 22:8. God bless!
Some of these you need to take the L on.
Most of these rebuttals are how to say this...Like how Jews get around certain sabbath laws by having little obvious tricks with say light switches. "Well it doesn't say I can't have a timer turn on the stove..."
The rebuttal about fish and chips is hilarious. Like Hello Mate, fish and chips is an integral part of a whole countries food culture, innit?
Have you never been to the South? We have fish fry's that contain no read meat and are absolutely filling. After getting stuffed on fried catfish, hush puppies and okra. I never really felt like I was doing anything penitent but I guess I was. Who knew?
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11 Kjv.
That's because she interrupted Him.
This passage supports the fact that Mary is indeed Blessed, because not only did she bear Our Lord in her womb and nursed Him, but above all she heard the word of God and kept it. (See Luke 1:41-45)
And we are called to do the same as the Blessed Virgin Mary in serving Our Lord Jesus and hearing the word of God and keeping it.
So because shes blessed, she deserves prayer?
@@amandadolekary Prayer in the ancient and biblical context merely means to ask someone for something. Prayer is not worship nor even adoration, and christians pray to other christians for support and intervention all the time.
@@siruristtheturtle1289 Why would pray to the dead then. They were people that prayed to the dead in the bible you know what they were called sorcerers.
I’m sorry but the 8th meme has some merit. I’m going through catechism right now, but I have absolutely watched my Catholic in-laws and their friends go out and order crab, lobster and crawfish on Fridays, because they can’t eat ‘meat’.
I’m 100% certain the fried fish meme was from a Catholic lol
Council of Trent in session, 2024AD!
King ghidorah is canon in the counsel of Trent
Immediate "like" for the Channel One dis!! Good Lord, that gave me flashbacks!! 😂
What is the relationship between mortal sins of omission, good works, and salvation? Many Catholic apologists today say that baptized Christians merely need to avoid mortal sin, but seems like a "sneaky" way of avoiding talking about the role of works in keeping/maintaining one's salvation.
A proper way of speaking about it, and this is the way the Catechism speaks about it, is that the supernatural life of the soul is animated by charity, just as our natural body is animated by our soul. It follows that anything that destroys the gift of charity in us, results in the loss of supernatural life.
Just how faith is completely lost by believing something contrary to the faith, such as that the Father begot more Sons besides Jesus. It is also lost by omitting beliefs essential to the faith, for example the Trinity. This is because faith is "a firm resolve to everywhere and always hold to everything revealed by God, because it is revealed by God".
In the same way charity is a firm resolve to everywhere and always will the good of God, because he is God, and by extension the good of our neighbors, because they belong to God. Now to omit something essential to the love of God, or to commit something contrary to the love of God completely destroys charity, as heresy destroys faith. These things we call "mortal sins" because they destroy charity, which is the life of the spiritual organism.
@@danieljoyce6199 Thank you for your response! While I completely agree, greatly appreciate it, and consider it fairly thorough and wholistic in one sense, it also lacks directness and conciseness in another sense. So let me try a yes or no question or two, if you will humor me:
Is the grave refusal to do a good work a mortal sin?
(Yes, "grave refusal" begs for definition and clarification, but I have in mind Jesus' words regarding the consequences of not bearing fruit, not caring for the poor, hungry, thirsty, naked, imprisoned, etc., like the case of the rich man and Lazarus.)
If yes, then wouldn't it be somewhat misleading to say "all you have to do is avoid mortal sin" and perhaps incorrect to say "salvation is not dependent on doing good works but merely avoiding mortal sin"?
If you have a baby in a crib and let your baby die by _not_ feeding him or her, you are definitely in mortal sin. You have an absolute obligation to feed your kids.
So sure, feeding your kids is a work that's required for salvation. But it's important to caveat this with the acknowledgement that feeding your kids doesn't _earn_ you salvation; it's a work required to retain grace from God because letting your children is so heinous
@@tonyl3762
I think the reason why some apologists say this is because of the mindset that the Catholic Church teaches that good works must be done in order to be saved. Technically they don't, think about the disabled, they might be incapable of doing any good works.
Also, wanted to add that salvation isn't depended on doing good works, it is dependent on remaining in a state of grace, which for some might only be possible through good works, for others no good works might be necessary.
I think at the end of the day we need to keep in mind that there is no one size fits all here, so it really isn't possible to lay out one ground rule for the "relationship between mortal sins of omission, good works, and salvation" that are going to fit every single persons life.
Hope this helps
God Bless
@@sivad1025 Shouldn't we as Catholics (including professional apologists) be upfront that there are some obligatory good works that must be done to _retain_ our salvation? *Why is there not a lot of talk about good works being required to keep/maintain/retain one's salvation??*
I agree with you though. I don't have an absolute obligation to feed some very specific starving person I don't know halfway around the world, but the rich man had an absolute obligation to care for Lazarus, whom he stepped over to leave his own house. I consider myself obligated to have food gift cards or care packages ready to give to beggars in my local area (I don't believe it is actually charitable to give cash out of laziness, knowing that cash probably won't serve the good of many beggars).
Christ is King. ✝️🇻🇦
A lot of Protestants fast regularly.
Ok, I actually smiled at the fish one.
The Mary one is kinda true ngl
we love Blessed Mary, Mother of my Lord
I'm cringe, and that's based. I'll never be based, and that's not cringe. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
The hydra made me laugh 😂 🐉 No. 3 😂
The 5th meme reminds me of that St Jerome quote. Surely Biblical literalists will come out against wearing any kind of gold jewelry even a plain wedding band, but yes, it is the essence of the Bible that you should be both modest in not signaling conspicuous consumption and being modest with sexuality.
I am Protestant (Anglican) but enjoy your content and can definitely see why these memes are awful lol.
Why are they awful?
Trent clearly hasn’t been to Culver’s. You need to get their fish on your next trip to the Midwest. I appreciate the Channel 1 joke. 😂
The thumbnail is hilarious
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these "christian" ahhs say being even slightly lgbt is E V I L but drinking your weight in budweiser? that's a-o-k!
What self-respecting person would drink that pisswater
THE APOCRYPHA IS BAD?!?!?!? BRO ECCLESIASTES IS A MASTERPIECE
Ecclesiastes is not apocrypha tho. It's in standard prostestant bibles.
Ecclesiastes isn't deuterocanon, you're thinking of Sirach, sometimes called Ecclesiasticus.
Trent: Jesus isn't enough....do all this other stuff along with it.
Me (a protestant)...thank you Jesus...for BEING enough.
@@JESUS_Saves3747 it's an important distinction to make to a catholic....
Don’t make me laugh Trent. Your logical conclusion that praying to Mary comes from somebody in The New Testament account making a request of Mary? That is quite the leap. I do appreciate your take to help better understand some of the Catholic positions but this argument seems pretty weak.
Haha but very nice on the “did not… didn’t” and The Office reference. Made me laugh for real at that.
Honestly if you think that's a stretch I challenge you to value scripture more. Each little part of scripture is so deep and full of meaning that even the greatest theologian couldn't hope to fully unpack it in his lifetime. The wedding feast at Cana is one of my favorite accounts. Jesus' very first public miracle was at the request of his mother who was making the request on behalf of someone who was obviously close to her. Her last words in scripture are "do whatever he tells you" and then he performs the miracle of water to wine. There is so much rich and deep meaning there that if you don't see it you are just holding onto bias.
@@jrozi3872no you're just also making a huge stretch. Praying to Mary is literally idolizing her and that's a sin
@@amandadolekaryYou are the one making here a massive assumption not found in the Scripture: Where exactly it is writen that prayers are only to be given to God? One has to wonder if all those times people in the past say "pray tell me" they were in sin, because that's an easy jump from your position.
Love your vids man. Amen❤
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I‘d appreciate doing more work on the front of Orthodoxy. No knowledgable catholic is even remotely tempted by becoming a protestant but Eastern Orthodoxy is gaining a lot of popularity and I find it hard to find arguments to refute Jay Dyer for example…
My church is full of former Roman Catholics. Very knowledgeable.
@@DPK5201 well all protestant objections are straw mans of catholicism
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Wow if men and women can dress revealing their body parts and it’s not a sin then there’s no such thing as the sin of lust that entices and provokes immorality Whoo wee how to understand this is beyond my understanding
I don't give a fig what Protestants say. Their arguments are sooo tiresome.
They are still Christian, just like Orthodox; we tend to fixate too much on our differences rather than our uniting salvation.
Before you got the end, I was hoping you would offer to do some cringey Catholic memes.
Daaaaaang call back to channel 1! I think one of the power rangers was an anchor 😂
No prayers to Mary in Scripture nor of the dead for help.
He's crazy
You should watch the video to see what he has to say about that.
Where in scripture does it say prayers need to be found in scripture?
@@juld55 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
- John 14:13-14
@@Justas399 That doesn't say all prayers need to be found in scripture. Good try though.
I can hop on board and sing in the choir against calvinism
The only thing that was cringe about the first one was the alleged rebuttal.
0:31 "Where does Scripture say that the only prayers we can say are those found in Scripture?"
This is a classic strawman. The meme does not imply that this is the case in any way. The objection that protestants have to praying to Mary do not relate to the specific words said, but rather that they are directed to Mary instead of to God.
1:03 "Also, one reason that the Bible probably wouldn't record prayers to Mary in heaven is that she was still alive."
So do you think that people were going physically to Mary after Jesus' ascension and asking her her to pray to Jesus to do things for them? It's not impossible, but again, it's just not seen at all in Scripture. We see a lot of prayers going directly to God, though, and that Jesus is the one mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2;5)
1:18 "But the Bible does contain people making _requests_ to Mary." (emphasis in original)
This is a huge reach and one not worth making. After all, we see God make a request to Satan in Job; does that mean that God prays to Satan? We see Jesus make a request to have the people brought to Him for healing; does that mean Jesus prays to people? We see Jesus make a request of Judas Iscariot; does that mean Jesus prays to Judas Iscariot?
The one place where we see a prayer to the departed, Saul to Samuel, Samuel is allowed to hear and respond, but only to tell Saul he should not have attempted to contact him.
Saul wanted to contact him about information, the early church didn't do that, they ask the saint to intercede for them, big difference, their are inscription in the catacombs asking Peter and Paul to pray for them
Like Trent said in the video the word pray simply means to ask, so if Jesus asked Judas to do something then yeah He prayed to Judas.
5:11 Some of the most gaudy/expensive clothing for women can also be the most lust-enticing if seen in public/by men not married to the woman wearing them. Ex. Yoga pants.
How about your cringe judaism?!?!??!
I never found the first one for using an antiquated term for pray, which is an adverb, not verb, holds for praying to saints or Mary. Prayer is for God. There is no directive, no history of the Jews ever doing it, and Jesus specifically instructed us how to pray, and it was only to God. Every instruction of request for prayer in the NT (or OT) was always to pray to God. This is why we only accept and only practice, praying only to God.
Interesting titbit:
In Revelation, the 24 heavenly Elders have the prayers of the saints in bowls which they offer to God.
Saints isn't used in the New Testament referring to dead saints but actually Christians who are still alive on Earth.
So these heavenly beings, being either angels or humans or representative of some heavenly truth, act as intermediaries and give the prayers of these people on Earth to God. So they are literally interceding and giving prayers to God that God didn't already receive. And these prayers were made by humans who are still alive on Earth. Heavenly intercession confirmed by the Bible.
I think the fish one is funny.
Haha I remember channel one news
8:20 So your rebuttal to the apocrypha being fake is that atheists say that most of the Old Testament is false? Huh?
Very thought-provoking, as usual. I appreciate your work in the Kingdom. I'm a Calvinist. I would love to hear your take on a couple of books I published. I also have one coming out this year on a defense of a modified form of Calvinism. I expect to get some heat from that one. But your insights would be most helpful. The author name is RS Trifulescu. The first two works are on Christianity basics. I know you are quite busy, so no problem if you don't have time for this amateur. God bless you and your work!
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ughhh why are christians fighting eachother
Trent, where in the bible is the protestant prayer to acceptJesus as their personal Lord and savior?
Actually that first meme is correct. The bible doesnt support praying to Mary and neither does the catholic church, because God is the only one we pray to and we ask for prayers of Mary and the saints.
But we do pray to Mary because, as Trent said, "pray" is just another word for "petition"
Just want to point out that the word pray means to ask. So the meaning of the phrase praying to Mary actually means we ask for the prayers of Mary and the saints.
Basically we pray(ask) Mary to pray(ask) God on our behalf.
Just because modern day Christians choose to define the word pray differently than it has been defined all throughout history doesn't mean it's not supported.
The 3 dragons meme IS pretty funny, even though heretical.
If I make a request of Mary, is it the same as making a request of my mother, who also happens to be in Heaven?
You can pray to anyone, but is it efficacious? Only God can answer prayer. And we don’t need priests or saints to intercede on our behalf because there is only one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.
Most of these arguments arent very good, and on number 4 you didnt even try to debunk it you just mocked the grammar
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And I guess we're starting out 30 seconds in with an argument from silence followed by farcical misdirection. Is this really the direction you want to take? Just to show how utterly absurd this line of thinking is, I'm going to ask the patron saint of tasty condiments to pass the ketchup. Oh, the dead guy isn't going to slide it across the table, you say? Huh--must be a difference between praying for ketchup as opposed to praying for spiritual blessings. Now reverse the thought: should I pray to the passenger sitting next to me in a car for a safe journey? Huh--it's almost like we innately understand that there's nothing to be gained by asking a corporeal entity for supernatural guidance and protection. I'd bet that this stark distinction has something to do why the English language adapted over time in its usage to draw a distinction between the spiritual act of prayer and general inquiry of people to pass the salt.
So, do you think there might be a bit of a difference between somebody asking Mary to talk to her Son about some wine when they were both physically present at the ceremony versus praying some intercessory prayer to her beyond the grave? Good gravy man. I'm out.
exactly. And Trent is well smart enough to know his response on that one is ridiculous. He will parse and finely slice every last logical fallacy and bad argument when discussing things like abortion (and I think he does a good job at it), but then all of a sudden those same skills fade away when dealing with a doctrine he doesn't want to admit is wrong. I think Trent brings a lot to the table and I enjoy his videos but this argument on his part was baaaaaadd.
@@maxspringer01 Yup. I feel that it's good to be hard on this absurdity specifically because he knows better. A major pet peeve of mine is when those with robust argumentation during debate hurl sloppy low effort responses at things when they're monologuing and know they won't be immediately ripped to shreds by an opponent.
I agree with most of your responses to these memes, so I'll focus on our disagreements.
You say meme 5 undermines Protestantism because there is no verse that restricts women from dressing immodestly. Hence, we apparently need a magisterium for that. But Trent...that line of reasoning is very, very problematic. You're essentially saying that we can't use theological reason extracted from Scripture to apply it to concrete issues. Scripture teaches that our primary orientation towards one another should be love, and of course commends inner modesty. Yet, that's inevitably going to have an impact on the kinds of clothes one wears (1 Timothy 2:9, for instance). If someone has a modest and humble disposition, they will wear clothes fitting to that disposition (both men and women). Further, "unnecessary stumbling blocks" also apply to both men and women here; both men and women, if they are thinking in the logic of love, are going to dress so as to love their neighbors in any given context and not occasion sin to the extent they can.
Now your point that this can only be inferred doesn't in the least rebut Protestantism. Hence why all our confessions (Westminster and Augsburg alike) speak of good and necessary consequence.
Your rebuttal, ironically, shows one of the major ways the Roman church poorly catechizes people: by teaching people not to use theological reason and actually see the world through Scripture, and let another do the thinking for them.
PS: When is the last time I fasted? Several times through Lent, and during holy week :)
How was Trent's point about not using reason? His point is that we should use reason but scripture provides guard rails.
The fact is, Protestant churches can't even agree regarding if gay men can get married to each other or if women can be elders. Most Protestants say that women shouldn't be expected to cover their heads because that was merely a tradition. So why can't you conclude that modest dressing is merely a tradition (as many Protestants have concluded!)? Why can't we conclude that because cultural standards have changed so much, cleavage isn't super scandalous and thus it's totally permissible for women to let their breasts out a little?
Of course we can use reason, but Christians use bad reason all the time which is why the Church is needed to settle disputes, as Jesus describes in Matthew 18. Protestants have no ground to stand on when telling other Protestants that their Biblical interpretation is wrong regarding attire outside your own personal interpretation.
Of course Jesus gave us reason to convince others. But he also gave us a Church and church authority to correct bad behavior
9:53 Your reaching with that last meme to be offended. Here in the UK fish and chips on Fridays is a favourite meal for both protestants and Catholics alike.
Anglicans = Catholics with divorce and women priests