Game 2 Reaction: How Celtics are OVERWHELMING Luka Doncic & Mavericks | Hoops Tonight
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Jason Timpf reacts to Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, and the Boston Celtics' 105-98 Game 2 win over Luka Doncic, Kyrie Irving, and the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals. Jason discusses how the Celtics have overwhelmed the Mavs on both ends of the court, and shares what two things must change for Dallas to get back in the series. Later, Jason discusses the Jayson Tatum vs. Jaylen Brown debate for who is the best player on the Celtics.
Watch Jason and Colin's Game 2 instant reaction: ua-cam.com/users/live6vkDCeMVV18
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:43 - Celtics beat Mavericks in Game 2
07:47 - Dallas cannot contain the basketball
19:13 - Celtics decision-making
23:14 - Mavericks cannot counter Celtics defense
28:55 - The only way Dallas can come back
32:33 - Jayson Tatum-Jaylen Brown debate
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Colin-free is so much better!!!!
Colin is the used car salesman of sports analysis. I like his takes and anecdotes, but he’s often just waxing poetic, and next to Jason, is outclassed.
@@alexrhughes I'm starting to think most of these people taliking about the NBA don't actually watch much basketball. At least not during the regular season. Some of the takes are so wrong it's comical.
Relax its not that bad sweet Jesus
Colin doesn't add anything to the conversation that is noteworthy. He is the epitome of a talking head. No insightfulness.
lol i know
True Celtic fans don't give a crap who is the better J; we just want banner 18 (and hopefully more). And, I don't think the two of them care either. Both are gonna get paid the max, so who gives a damn?
Yup rather than "Its this guy's team" it will be the Celtics team is both their team.
They shouldn’t care at all. Like you said even if Tatum has a -50 in the rest of the series he’s still getting the max so neither of them should care about numbers or labels at all. Go play winning ball and cash your checks. 🏀
Everyone loved Kyrie a week ago now he public enemy number 1 again 😂
The more wild thing was the whole “greatest offensive back court ever” BS. So hyperbolic and in the moment it’s ridiculous now 😂😂😂😂
As a Celtics fan, this might be more enjoyable than my team being halfway to a chip lol. I stg casuals and the media get put under some kind of spell w/ him maybe once a year, only for him to crash down to Earth within a few weeks. It’s wild lol.
Fr they switch up so fast
Kyrie isn't loved...the 2 face people just wanted to save face in case dallas wins. They trash kyrie every chance they get and we all know it.
Not true we don’t. Just saying
So before the series Jason said that if JT focused on defense, rebounding, and facilitating the Celtics would definitely win, but he didn’t think JT would do that. Does this count, or is he shooting too often?
He’s probably still shooting too often lol. But I love the fact that he’s doing all the other things that is needed to shut down Dallas’s offense other than Luka. I truly think if he just focused on not scoring and just playing defense on Luka there wouldn’t be another 30 point triple double
@@michaelbarnes2126 it’s tough though, because he needs to attempt to score enough to keep gravity. The entire Mavs team collapses on him when he drives, leaving multiple shooters open beyond the line.
I think this counts simply because I don't feel like he's trying to overdo it by taking some of the poor shots he used to, and he definitely is delegating a lot
@@donaldpratt2296 of course take your shots. But take more shots off the catch instead of taking tough pull up shots. Especially since the defense is so focused on him, he’s good enough to create his own shot so let the team get you more open looks for shot attempts since the ball is moving.
he needs to shoot, otherwise Mavs will not respect him if he doesn't pose an offensive threat
Tatum is passing, rebounding and defending(by a mile) better than luka. He caused 3/4 luka turnovers yesterday. He’s out rebounding 7 footers. If the only thing luka is better at is scoring, the series won’t last long.
Luka is hurt lol. Not a fair comparison. But I see your point 😊
But your rt luka doesn’t play good defense Tatum is a defensive monster
Utter nonsense. Defence, yes but the rest no way. Luka is an injury-ravaged mess, Einstein. Tatum is healthy, Luka has been playing with one good knee for almost the entire playoffs and one good ankle since game 2 against the Clippers. And he picked up another injury in game 1 against the Celtics. Tatum just has a way better team to bail him out, stick him on the Mavs and they wouldn't even make the playoffs. Luka is carrying his team whist being wracked with injuries
@@Lister-gf3hi Tatum has an injured hip that Boston never puts on the injury report
@@Lister-gf3hi I agree with you but Tatum is a monster defensively compared to luka atm.
Jason, appreciate you being one of the only true unbiased evaluators of the game.
Jason you’ve come around. Welcome to Mazulla ball brother.
Malone is the only who can figure him out 😂
Jason I respect your opinion about Tatum because you actually point out his impact on the defensive end. He’s way more than just his shooting splits and really grew his game to be well rounded for the team. You also pointed out that he would probably be better as a point forward awhile back and he’s doing that now. I would be very surprised if he was voted FMVP but he’s played very well despite the poor shooting and all he needs is a 50 ball and it’s his, maybe lol
Tatum not being a Top 3 player is NOT a knock on him at all. He’s a Top 5 player. There’s no need to get upset with that sentiment.
The annoying sentiments are that he’s capped and maxed out his potential. That’s very clearly not true.
While he may not be the #1 guy in the League, his ceiling is still MVP and (multiple time) NBA Champion.
It’s theoritical or hypotheticals tho I mean u guys been talking about Tatum’s potential for multiple years already and he can’t consistently reach his ceiling. There’s a reason Brad stevens went all in on a stacked team so they can hide his flaws unlike other stars.
Mailbag: It was very surprising to me that leading up to the finals not only did so many pundits pick the Mavericks but they picked them in 5 or 6 games. You were one of the few who picked the Celtics and it seemed to me that you swayed Collin to some regard to do the same. You guys are two of the few to do so. Do you think this is because other shows can be more narrative driven (Celtics seems to choke and the Mavs came out of a tougher west) rather than facts and matchup driven or was this for another reason? Also follow up question: statistically the Celtics are one of the most dominant teams ever but for some reason it is hard to see them in that light for me. If they win the finals where do you think they fall all time? Love the show especially bc you focus so well on ball itself and not on click baity narratives.
Tatum is as bad as last time, Holliday n Brown are leading the team
Colin Cowherd does not have an opinion of his own and he announced his pick after Game 1, because he is a coward
@@khal7702 Lol casual... Holliday is awesome but he was spoon-fed more than half of his points from Tatum.. Also, last time Tatum was injured (like Luka now, and everyone is making excuses), had played way more and far more intense playoff games than any other 24-year old leader in the league has in a single playoff run (7 games bucks, 7 games miami), and brown averaged like 6 TOs in the series too.. Celtics were just too tired for the best shooter ever and all casuals are yappin'
ESPN hates Boston and Loves the Lakers, that's why they went and d%cksucked the Mavs
Short aswer: Betting, the media pushed the mavs agenda. Entering the series nearly 90% of the money in bets was on the Mavs winning...
Easy money for the betting houses if you ask me 😂
Just found this channel during the finals and it's the best breakdown of the games I've come across. I'll be tuned it moving forward.
Tatum gets killed for his shot not falling, but Luka gets a pass for giving 0.5 blowbys per possession and only being able to play for 3 quarters....
Well I'm all coached up ! Thanks bud, I'm taking this to my mens league and going off .
That was good take on the Jays on how they are doing so much for the team that doesn’t show up on the box scores. I would push back a little bit on Luka being that much better player since his Defense is terrible.
His defense is bad because he has to carry the mavs offense while being injured so whats even your point here
@zhanehhylton6868 his defense is trash because he's a bad defenders. He tired himself on offense becsuse he doesn't play off ball. You rarely see him cut to the rim or set offball screens. He's also a bad spot up shooter. He also doesn't play with pace so he's not able to score or playmake on a defense that isn't set. He's plays set defenses that switch and tires himself out.
@@zhanehhylton6868 His defense has always been bad long before he got injured. The fact that Mavs fans are stoked about him doing defense now shows how low the standard of that aspect of the game is for him.
I don't care about Tatum's scoring. I think he will have a big game or two before the finals are over. But he still is rebounding, getting people involved, and playing great defense. Winning the championship is all that matters to me, and probably Tatum and the Celtics too.
This guy keeps on talking about Tatum and Brown being "flawed superstars", but the player in this series with the biggest flaw is Luka. You just said it, he keeps getting picked clean by both Tatum and Brown. How is that not a FLAW?
I just don't understand where this "Luka is the best player in the world" take is coming from. Do we not value defense anymore? Maybe if Luka even decided to play defense, they'll have a 20% chance to win this series. As it stands now, they ain't winning this series anymore. He scores 30 while giving out 8 TOs and letting other people score 50 on him. Jaylen Brown and Tatum are both better 2-way players than Luka but everyone just wanna talk about a statpadder who scores 30 on the way to a big L. He doesn't make his teammates better, kills the clock, has a high usage rate, and does nothing for his teammates on defensive rotations. His assists are just a result of him not having anything else to do with the ball because he is well-defended so he just passes and hopes his teammates can convert.
If you look at stats luka is actually playing really good defense. He's keeping his opponents to under 40% fg. That's better than JT
This is straight facts. Never, ever has the best player on the floor been this much of a liability on Defense. He's a great offensive player, but his lack of D kinda cancels out his offense. like you said, he scores 30, but gives up more points either from his own man scoring or his man creating openings for others.
No he's not.. he can't stay in front of anyone and once boston drives and gets the paint dallas defense starts scrambling. It all starts with him not being able to stay in front. Boston looks to penetrate then kick not just score once they beat their man. Jason basically talked all about this in this pod and the other ones.
Nothing you said is even remotely true, Luka is ranked 7th in usage rate this post season at 32.5% which is standard for a star player. 8 TO by Luka but what about Jaylen Brown? He had 6 and most of them came from Luka. So much for Jaylen being a two way player getting stripped by no defence Doncic.
@@sittingbull7445 Jason just stated that the main problem of the Mavs is that they all can't stay in front of their men and their rotation are atrocious. They say that a team takes the identity of its best player. Slacking off on defense and letting guys drive past him with little to no resistance is what Luka has been doing this postseason. The other teams just weren't able to capitalize on it like Boston does because they don't have the personnel to punish Luka and the Mavs when they make a wrong defensive decision. Boston got 5 guys who can snipe 3 pointers. You swing it once and they will have a wide open three
thanks so much for your analysis, Jason!
I don’t see the Mavs winning this series.
They've put themselves in a bad spot, so it will depend on them winning Wednesday and then having to win again in Dallas. If both teams defend the home court, it's a best of 3 series with Dallas having some momentum. But because they lost Game 2 they have only won path to victory while Boston can win either 3 or 4 and have a crushing advantage, or lose both and STILL have the advantage. If it was any team but Dallas I'd say there's no chance, but Luka doesn't get nervous so they have a punchers chance.....IF they win Wednesday.
@@SDesWriter Dallas has the weapons to beat Boston but they way the whole roster has been playing it’s nearly impossible at this point. So far it’s only Luka, PJ, and Derrick Jones Jr. who have showed up.
@@joelv92 Jones is playing incredibly tough on defense, but he's not showing up offensively. He's trying because even though his outside shot isn't dropping, he's going to the rim.....but when you miss and your team is at a disadvantage, trying doesn't get it done. I feel bad for him.....he's getting NO calls and doing his best to still impact the game.
If Irving finally plays like himself and PJ can hit a few 3s they'll win Wednesday. But they're going to have to do it back to back to get into the series again. If they go back to Boston 2-2, I really think they'll win. Luka isn't going to let them lose if he gets that close to a ring.
@@SDesWriter I think it's over for Dallas. I think it's hard to sweep any team that's good, so I expect Dallas to win a game at least.
If the Celtics win the championship then you will see the increase in his shooting next year! He dedicated this year to the championship!
Love your podcasts man keep up the quality work
Great commentary and analysis, Jason. Thanks.
damn, Jason is so damn good at breaking these games down! the guy needs his own show on a national stage!
Putting Luka in the conversation of best player in the world when he is basically a traffic cone on defense and almost had 10 TOs is wild to me.
For real
Can't be the best player if u can't play half of the game
thats why he isnt on the Giannis or Jokic level for me, but as a Celtics fan it is pretty easy to see that he is going to be one of the greatest offensive players to ever play the game.
Jokic was *clowned* for his "bad" defence over the last few years. Until he won the chip and it turned he was a actually a good team defender. Luka is just plain bad and it is never talked about for some reason.
what's funny is last series everyone was trying to say Luka is a good defender lol
There may be a need for other types of sports media, but all of the absolute nonsense you hear coming from FS1, ESPN, TNT and even other UA-cam channels that elevates the “great hero“ archetype versus just talking about the X’s and O’s breakdown of the game… This content is night and day different
Great video ❤
Tatum just needs to have one monster game and he’ll get the finals mvp .
wtfc about FMVP... the most overrated award in history...
Which is why I be wondering if ppl saying Brown is better than Tatum an insult likeeeee ok so we got two superstars on the Celtics now 😂🤷🏾♂️
I feel like tatum is the clear mvp already. Rebounding, defending, and playmaking at an elite level. Drawing 2 defenders every play, making the right pass is the key to his team winning. If tatum wasnt there they would be doubling brown and he wouldnt be able to make the passed tatum makes that basicaly decide the game
I hope Kristaps gets it
He’s still the Vegas favorite as well. We all know he’s gonna have a high scoring game soon and that’ll inflate his numbers so he can win Finals MVP
To win mvp he just has to make some of these shots tho
JAYLEN BROWN AWARD
Tatum has had a better series than luka.....luka stats v man d: 62-21-11 12TOs....tatum stats v double and triples: 34-20-17 9T....meanwhile luka has played near zero D while tatum has SHUTDOWN THE FIVE.....THE FIVE!!! WITH 20 BOARDS TO SHOW FOR IT
GREAT........ANALYSIS!!!!!! more please😂😂😂
Thanks for the info
Yeah thanks for the info your the best
Yeah the way you think of it is cool I never thought of that as that was 😮
What he is trying to say is he never seen anyone explain it like that and the way you explained it is smart
Yeah that's what I tried to say
See told you 😶🌫️
Thanks for doing an analysis that makes sense. I feel like a lot of commentators are talking about how Luka is so great and that he needs more help and how Tatum is bad. There is some truth to that, but if Luka played 50% of the defence that Tatum is playing Dallas would have won at least 1 of the 2 games so far
If Tatum was an injury-ravaged mess with one good knee and one good ankle and was playing on a much worse team and had to go through a much tougher route to the final like Luka has he wouldn't have done a fraction of what Luka has. Tatum has the most stacked team in the league,
It makes sense Tatum’s jump shooting has regressed; he gets more attention from the opposition’s defense every year. This is probably the first year he’s been triple teamed with any kind of consistency.
The floor of this Boston team is crazy. What’s the last team to have so few weaknesses? Their top 6 guys are good to excellent at absolutely everything they’re asked to do.
Maybe other than Tatum’s shots haven’t fallen yet.
Is onoe of their weaknesses playing a team shooting 10% from the 3pt line and only winning by 7?
@@SDesWriter that point helps my argument.
This team is so weakness-proof that they win by 7 even when they are ice cold from three, have a 6-22 Tatum night, almost completely fumble a guaranteed win, have Jrue as the leading scorer, KP aggravates an injury…
The Mavs still couldn’t beat this team.
That’s how high their floor is.
And why do you think the Mavs shooting is so bad? The Celtics defense has been as close to perfect as you can hope.
@@Colinkrauss1 Nice try, but no. Dallas actually missed wide open 3s (unlike the fantasy of Boston fans). Stats are a wonderful thing. When a fanboy tries to tell you his opinion on what he saw, you get to respond with the FACTS.
Dallas 3pt% - Contested 85%, Heavily Contested 53%
Boston 3pt% - Contested 89%, Heavily Contested 72%.
Not only did Dallas miss a bunch of open 3s that cost them the game, their defense caused Boston to miss so many that it stayed close with Dallas shooting 10% (by everyone not named Doncic). They're not weakness-proof. They won because the other team happened to shoot worse. It sucks, but there's no way to ensure your favorite team will have a good shooting night on the biggest stage on someone else's court. So you won....Boston managed to defend it's own court.
Now it's Dallas' turn. Either they'll shoot better and Boston is screwed (because that defense isn't going to get any less difficult to shoot over) or the Mavs role players will underperform again and Boston will win (possibly sweep). It won't be because they're a better team, it's because they have experience and didn't choke when it mattered.
@@SDesWriter turns out that shooting worse than the other team is the only way to lose a game in basketball.
And Luka himself said Boston is the best team in the NBA so it’s completely possible the Mavs can both lose the series and be the worse team.
And I’m not a Celtics fan boy Lmao , Luka’s my second fav player behind Bron. So trust me, I want what you’re saying to be true. It just isn’t.
@@Colinkrauss1 Dallas shot 2-19 from 3 and Boston won the game by seven at home. If you want to look at that and say that Boston is unbeatable, be my guest. I look at it and see that if Dallas had just shot 5-19, they would have won. I see them holding Boston to 25% shooting from 3 and realize how beatable the Celtics are if Dallas plays remotely close to their average.
But you go ahead and be afraid of them if you like. Not sure how it makes your life better, but to each their own.
Mailbag question: Draymond has said on his podcast that Dallas should use Luka more like jokic where he should get fed the ball in the post and let him go to work there. Do you think this would be better?
Mailbag: Can we please talk about how great Joe Mazzulla has been all postseason? He’s out coached every coach the Celtics have faced so far?
Kidd outcoached him last night. All Dallas had to do to win was shoot at least 25% from 3 (or skip a couple of those misses and drive to the basket) but they shot 10% instead. Luka skews the number because he shot well but the rest of the team was non-existent offensively. You can't coach people how to shoot but this defense everyone is laughing at held Boston to 25% from 3 and contested the 3pt shots at 72% while Boston (such a great defense) only managed 53%.
If the role players finally wake up at home, we will find out if Boston's coach can make the adjustments necessary to beat Dallas. Sadly, if they continue to shoot like shit, Kidd won't get any credit for the masterful job he did in this series.
@@SDesWriterKidd did not outcoach him at any stretch of the imagination you are buggin.
@@SkeetWeezy Dallas shot 10% from 3 and only lost the game on Boston's home court by 7. That's the definition of great coaching. What did Mazzulla do last night?
@@SDesWriter Mazzulla took out every offensive scheme the Mavs have been known for (lob threats. Kyrie PnRs & three balls) save for Luka showboating while Kidd failed to stop the Celtics from executing theirs. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.
@@mikotagayuna8494 the Mavs failed to stop Boston’s offensive execution except for the 25% shooting from 3 and 45% shooting overall? Right…..
I remember last year when you were very critical of how disengaged JB was on defense (which was really warranted btw!)
Im glad he really worked on it over the past year cause it really elevates the floor of this celtics team
So tired of hot takes! This podcast is always a welcomed addition to my life...lol
Mailbag; Hey Jason, can you give your own version of an all playoff defensive 1st, 2nd (and maybe 3rd team). I feel like you can see some guys are playoff defensive risers that don't get as much credit as they should. Thanks, love the show.
It's really funny how NO ONE in the national media or national sports shows are talking about Luka's defense. It was brought up on First things First when Wildes brought it up, but Nick Wright thinks its ok to be a terrible defender. He gave Luka's game yesterday an A- and Tatums game a D- lmaoo
Simmons/Russillo, Doris Burke, JJ, Legler, Windhorst, Zach Lowe have all been talking about how Dallas can't stop the drive and Luka's being hunted relentlessly.
Its unreasonable to expect a non athletic white dude to be a great defender. Hence, they have to ignore that side of the ball to justify saying Luka is arguably the best player in the league.
@Jason
It's an interesting thought but how often does the NBA champ have the more expensive starting 5 compared to the runner up?
MAILBAG: Hi Jason, love the show. I completely agree with what you say about the Jays regarding not looking at the boxscore so much because what they do is much more than just statistics, but we also know that for many people statistics matter when deciding the FMVP. Especially about JT (whose work in defense and spacing is the cornerstone of Boston's system), do you think his stats up to G2 would merit his case? Or should it still go up to at least 18-20ppg?
What I've noticed about the Celtics since the Pacers series is that while they do rely heavily on three-pointers, or "live and die by the 3s". If their threes aren't falling, they ramp up their defense, which is already really good. It's like the more shots they miss, the better their defense gets. They make up for their misses with great defense. This is what makes them great.
Mailbag: Jason, what do you think of Kidd’s adjustments (or lack thereof) throughout this series? Love the show, must watch tv.
The problem with Jason is the fact that he makes what he's saying these PROFESSIONALS should do be doing sound really simple. He forgets that these guy's are human and make mistakes. Yes they're professionals at what they're doing, but NONE of us know what it's like to be in an NBA game, and for us to tell them what THEY should be doing is ridiculous to me
Thank you for this whole video… So tired of the JT slander, as if he didn’t generate around 45 points last night. Those 12 assists did result in points. His shooting is the problem, not his entire game and the Mavs are just starting to double/trap JB, when that’s all JT ever sees.
Jason GOAT analyst
I watched Bob Macadoo score 41 points against the Celtic’s in 1974 in the playoffs
Omg. Was not ready for you to swear lol. First time hearing it hahah
Find me more than 1 pull up jumper from Tatum in this series u don’t like. I don’t get it.
Tatum is what makes the celtics work. Basketball is more than just scoring even though the league doesn't want you to think that. If you put brown in tatums role he would struggle.
Would the Nuggets have done a better job at containing Celtics offense? I think they would have done much worse. The question is more if their offense would have worked better and I think that is likely a yes.
Overall the shooting percentages on both sides are by and large low. So it seems the key to winning for the Celtics has been the fact that their top 6 are just way better, so they spread out their energy more. But conditioning seems to be the key here. The defensive schemes are working just fine on both sides.
Thank you for perfectly encapsulating the Tatum & Brown "thing." Those blathering, arguing or pontificating either don't know basketball or have an agenda. Celtics fans should just be happy--if you're a C's fan and you're qualifying what's going on, you're an idiot. Or not an actual fan of the team. The point of fandom is to share the experience. When your team is 14-2 in a dominant playoff run and you're complaining? You're the problem.
Should Dallas stop double-teaming Tatum? If he goes for 40 so be it, but I feel like Dallas can't afford to send so much help on a player that isn't scoring efficiently. Especially with JTs improved passing.
Dawg. U harped on variance all year. Now ur like “they space the floor really well it makes them so hard to guard.” They don’t have that space unless shooters (which they all are very good) actually punish defenders leaving them to help. The Celtics have played this way all year it’s why they were the best offense in the league. It was never chucking like some would make it seem
I understand where you’re coming from but that’s not really what he’s getting at. It’s not just “They’re shooting a lot of 3’s now and they did during the regular season so it’s the same variance.”
He has mentioned in previous videos the difference the quality of a shot effects the percentage of it. Regular season the Celtics showed the tendency to just chuck threes (contested and open) when their offense became stagnant. In this post season and especially in this series their decision making has been substantially better which rewards them with higher quality shots.
Variance plays a role in 3 point shooting but not as much as some people think. If the Celtics are consistently getting great looks (open to wide open shots) they have a higher chance of getting into a rhythm, getting hot, etc, etc.
He’s saying they’re spacing the floor really well because they’re constantly beating their defenders off the dribble , putting the mavs into rotation, and getting a high quality shot damn near every possession.
@@kclark5060 they played this way all year dude. They shot second best percentage at that three point volume. They got the most open threes per game. This is how they have played all year it was never chucking it was always hard to guard
If he can keep his man infront. Then yes.
Mailbag: In today's league, where offensive talent (especially in the shooting department) is at an all-time high, teams like Boston are only going to become more common, especially if they win this year (which they likely will). This type of team has always been a bad matchup for Luka-led teams because Luka, whether it's schematic or just a lack of effort, cannot hold up on the perimeter against capable offensive initiators, opening up angles on the back side. With the league trending in this direction, where facing a team like this becomes more and more likely if you want to win the title, can a team built around a defensively subpar superstar like Luka ever be the favorite to win a championship?
Mailbag
Should the Mavs try the following: sagging off Tatum/Brown and absorbing the contact to contain drives, helping off Tatum, posting up Luka to draw help, Gortat screen against the drop, screen the screener after the on-ball screen, with proper spacing, or screen off-ball after screening on-ball, type plays to open up flares and cuts? First thing allows them, among other things, to worry less about cross-matches and focus more on offensive rebounding, I would assume
A good argument can be made that Jason Tatum had a better game 2 than Luca.
I think people who really know ball, or at least played it, whether it be rec or park ball know Tatum is effecting the game positively for his team way more than Luka is for his team.
@@kashifsingh791 I think people who ''really know ball'' know that if Tatum was an injury-ravaged mess with one good knee and one good ankle and was playing on a much worse team and had to go through a much tougher route to the final like Luka has he wouldn't have done a fraction of what Luka has. Tatum has the most stacked team in the league,
Literally the only argument is the Celtics won
@@kashifsingh791 yes tatum is although the mavs are scoring 60% fg percentage when guarded by tatum in this series yh great defense. Nope tatum doesnt get to shoot 35% and gets outplayed by jaylen brown jrue holiday and porzingus on his own team for him to be better than luka no
32/11/11 @57% vs 18/9/12 @ 27%. Only if you're arguing for the mentally challenged.
Look I would like to have Luka on my team but at the same time I would not have big hopes that the team would win a championship . There is no evidence that he makes his teammates better and if anything arguably some players get held back . He certainly has minimal D and there is no reason to believe that he will change in that regard ( face it , he makes Jokic look like a B defender ) . And with respect to the specific series, while i do not count out the Mavs , that Luka turnover to assist ratio is more concerning than Tatum's performance given the difference between the other team players . A big difference is the coaching as it is more than about the HC but the assistants and Boston has a big edge with Sam Cassel ( it is a disgrace he is not an HC especially in a league where Doc Rivers keeps getting jobs)
Jason why is SGA much younger when he is only 4 months younger than Tatum?
1.Mavs need to guard Tatum and Brown single coverage and look to take away 3s/ passing lanes. Force Brown to be a playmaker or Jt to out score us. Basically what Celtics are doing to Luka taking away his pass and just challenging him to score and gas him out
2. Mavs need to run the ball through Kyrie while having Luka in the post. From there you can hand the ball to Luka where he can score in post while making reads off of double teams opening the corner 3 and has the 3 top of key to Kyrie. Then Run PnPop with Luka setting screen for Kyrie. This way you open the floor for Kyrie to score and they can’t double team him. Kyrie has 3 options score/luka 3/ lob. Now you avoid Luka turnovers open corner 3 pass while making Kyrie a prominent threat where you can’t double and Kyrie doesn’t have to make hard reads.
Did you get that from Draymond? That's exactly what he advocated along with Kevon Looney. It's an interesting idea because it limits the turnovers (because Luka is a step slower than usual) and puts less wear and tear on him by letting him set up without the ball. I'll be curious to see if Kidd tries something like that. It might even get Kyrie going again since he's controlling the offense.
As for #1, they're already doing it. Don't believe the half-wits complaining about all the 3pt shots Dallas is allowing. They are contesting (more than Boston) and it's no accident that Boston shot 10-39. That's the way the defense is designed. Kidd had to find a way to keep Luka on the perimeter where his size is an advantage so he funnles the driving players to where a big is waiting for them and then they rotate so they can challenge the kickout. It worked for one game, so we'll have to see if they can do it again Wednesday. If so, hopefully it will shut up the morons like Jason who don't have a clue this is exactly what Kidd wanted his defense to do (minus the mistakes on some rotations).
You didn't mention that Luka needs to play defense.
@@Ineedrentmoney How many times would you like me to show you video of Tatum missing shots over Doncic? Boston shot 10-39 from 3. Do you think they did that with no one playing defense?
Dallas 3pt% - Contested 85%, Heavily Contested 53%
Boston 3pt% - Contested 89%, Heavily Contested 72%.
Dallas contested 20% more 3point shots than Boston did.....I'm pretty sure Luka plays on Dallas.
@@SDesWriter and I could show you clips of players blowing past Luka or Luka not getting back on defense. let's not do the back and fourth. I'll ask you a direct question and your answer will expose your bias for the world to see. Is Luka a good defender?
Mailbag Question: Tatum is obviously in a bad slump right now, but do you think the overall downward trend in his shooting over the past few playoff runs could be due to the upward trend in his strength and defensive responsibility? Looking at Tatum 4 years back, he is undoubtably a different player. He's morphed more into the point-forward role that you have talked about as his ideal playstyle vs. the isolation scorer he tried to be in the beginning of his career. With that change in playstyle has come an increase in his strength and how much energy he has to dedicate to the other aspects of the game like defensive versatility, playmaking, and rebounding. In the playoff setting it then becomes harder to maintain good shooting splits while also affecting the game in so many other ways.
I know Tatum is better than this but I think he and Brown are basically the same level. Tatum is a little better playmaker but Jaylen has a more reliable offensive game because of his athleticism. Tatum is more skilled offensively but if he is slumping he doesn’t have the same top gear as Brown does in getting to the hoop. Defensively Brown gets a slight edge in my opinion but it’s close
Do you think mazulla is a better coach than udoka?
Jrue Holiday has played the best in the finals. Less mistakes than brown. Bigger game when it mattered. And Locked down Kyrie. Brown is a close second.
“Flawed superstar”, while Luka is the main reason why Dallas’ point of attack defense is terrible, which allows for the huge discrepancy is quality of shots between the 2 teams. Maybe listen to what you’re saying every now and then.
What I get from this is Luka, Kyrie or whoever got hunted on defense needs to work a little harder so help can come at the right time. You cannot be a cone with this Boston team, because they don't have anyone that you can exploit and leave alone. All of them can create a little bit for themselves, even Jrue, Al are veterans who can make a bucket on their own. Still believe the Mavs can make this series an interesting one.
Next season I can see Lively being given the green light to shoot some 3s. If he can shoot say 33% do you think that would be a very useful weapon
Mailbag Question: What is the worst player than you can substitute Tatum with and they would still be up in the NBA Finals? Not trying to be a hater or anything but I saw this question and thought it was really interesting.
My answer was someone like Scottie Barnes
It's over but not from a bball standpoint. It's over because of precisely what they said about the Kidd's comment about the best player on this team. They ain't giving a shit who gets the credit until the chip is in... they seem extremely focus on all aspects... the way they approached the last two games makes it they won't rest until the got 4W... Let's see if they can wrap it up.
My feeling, hope I’m wrong though, is Luka will not make it through game 3. His body about to give. I have a very very strong feeling. We shall see.
Dude you are so much better without Cowherd. Much more in depth ball talk and less narratives. Keep rocking!
Lukas Defence is terrible, and Boston have shown that they can slow him down offencely as well, i think too many people prop hom up,and he is prone to being shown up. Not by the Western teams, but this series shows just how good they really are,so far.
Mailbag: should Luka sag off, on ball to a point where he can contain the ball? Even if that means conceding barely/ if at all, contested jumpers. May make Boston fall into bad habits and start settling. Feel like that is the only hope for Luka defensively.
So apparently Shai is too young to be a top tier superstar, and Tatum is firmly in the second tier below Jokic, Luka, and Giannis despite being just a few months older. Tatum's success so early in his career has made people forget how young he still is.
The Brad Stevens know they are not good enough is so stupid.
Do you think that Jerry Kraus wouldn’t pair Jordan with the best players he can get?
Can’t they make them shoot long pull up 2s and pull 3s after pull up 3s. The ball is likely to get stagnant
My only thing is can we put Luka in that top 3 when he’s a liability on defense ain’t them spots saved for the best of the best on both ends
I do not care who wins MVP for the Celtics. I want to see them win the 2024 NBA Finals. The individual awards are cool, but you win that chip, legacy is changed forever.
Great content and analysis but the long “uhh, uhhhh, ummm” parts are tough to get thru
BlackRock/Vanguard vs Kyrie Irving 😂
Mailbag: if Tatum continues to shoot like this but is great everywhere else and Boston wins the title will he become the best player via bragging list?
Luka is a defensive liability, gets blown by the Jays
Arent jokic, giannis, and luka also flawed superstars? Jokic rim protection is none existent and can be exposed on the perimeter. Giannis isnt a good mid range or three point shooter. His free throw shooting is awful and he can be shutdown by a team that builds a wall with the proper personel. Luka's defense is terrible. He tries to conpete but he cant contain the ball handler so his team is forced to play shrinking floor zone which has limitations when facing a floor spacing offense that has shooters such as boston. Luka plays with slow pace which hurts them with great set defenses. His also doesnt set off ball screens or cut which limits the offensive versatility.
Jokic, Giannis, Luka never in the finals averaged 17 ppg on 30% fg. I mean Giannis dropped 50 on a closeout game to win finals something Tatum doesn’t even need to do to win. Their teams were simply just never as talented as tatum’s teams.
Thanks hs coach
Tatum has had a better series than luka.....luka stats v man d: 62-21-11 12TOs....tatum stats v double and triples: 34-20-17 9T....meanwhile luka has played near zero D while tatum has SHUTDOWN THE FIVE.....THE FIVE!!! WITH 20 BOARDS TO SHOW FOR IT
Never let them tell you that just because he’s shooting badly he’s not making an impact or contributing greatly. They aren’t in this position without him 💯🍀🍀🍀🍀
mailbag: Jason I am frankly astonished by the enthusiasm you show for starwars even considering, disney`s total mishandling. How do you watch the disney`s starwars, after such decisions to betray the legends canon , and replace with decisions like "somehow palpatine returned", and the whole Rey Skywalker fiasco....not to mention sabine surviving a saber strike..etc
how do you actually invest anymore?
Show how easy Luka gets by Tatum. He’s like a cone out there. Or just narrative?
why or how can boston have or pay for all thee high talent players
Dallas is in a win win and boston is in a lose lose... if dallas wins, the story is luka the hero that slayed the dragon that is boston, if dallas loses then the story will be that luka the hero just didnt have enough to beat the monster...
If boston wins the story will be its about damn time especially since they had to go get 4 all star level players to make sure brown and tatum didnt choke another series away, and if boston loses after being up 2-0 the irish will burn the city after seeing tatum and brown choke another ring away.
Mavs in 5
Your math isn’t mathin bro
math ain’t rly mathin there bud
Years?
You left the 0 off bucko
I do not think he will. Shoutout to Luka though
Isn't it ironic that the greatest (regular season) offense ever doesn't have a transcendent creator? Maybe that's not as much of a weakness as we sometimes imagine.
Jaylen brown can’t be held plz get Fluka off him 🤣🤣🤣
Came here for Celtics and bro is talking about how he coaches highschool kids smh 😂
I think Jason Timpf , deep inside, wants to be considered for an NBA assistant coaching position, preferably with the Lakers his favorite team.
It's gonna be 2-2 headed back to Boston
3-1 heading back to Boston.
4-0 and only Celtics heading back to Boston
Mavericks are only winning one game in Dallas unfortunately 😂😂😂
I see Dallas delusion isn't only for cowboy fans 😂😂😂
bro forgot we’re worse at home than on the road in the playoffs historically
Luka getting the lebron treatment next year. Surround him with shooters
Mavs fan- we are cooked guys lol Boston is overall better ; we have the more dominant player but it’s a team sport
Luka mad that in this series he can't flail around and get a foul called on the ghosts who whisper in his ear
Mailbag: Why are you already ruling out the possibility of 26-year old Tatum figuring out his jumpshot in one of the next 3 years, and elevating in the peak superstar level? With a 50/40/90 season and his defence, he would be clearly be better than Luka (for that season)
It's not about fixing his jumpshot. Its just his demeanor and attitude or mindset. He doesn't have that it factor. Brown have more of it than tatum does. People call it killer instinct.
Everyone on tatum circle have probably mentioned it a million times in his ear already that he's freaking 6'10 with a solid build. Go put your shoulder down and power through people not avoid them and take fall away shots.
@@glovs4188 I am crying with the ignorance... The player with most points ever in game 7 does not have the it factor. He has a funky jumpshot, but it is fixable. And saying he does not put the shoulder down is admitting you have not watched any match this Finals.. Just sad.
@@opchatzHe is too inconsistent as jump shooter it’s the reality he is shooting 30% in these finals and been atrocious as a scorer and pull up jumpshooter these playoffs, you can’t use these hypotheticals. I can sit here and say if Giannis develops a jumpshot next couple years he would be clear goat. Either way Tatum is not gonna reach that top 3 tier he is not effecient enough of a scorer to be.
@@KxngAntTae Giannis never had anything close to a good jumper lol.. Tatum has smooth mechanics, he is just inconsistent. This can change, like JB had no shooting when he came into the league
There’s no reason to believe he’ll fix it. He takes his worst shot the most. Some self awareness and a complete flip of play style would be the only path to being a 50/40/90 guy.