Eliminate and Prevent Root Rot in DWC Hydro
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I decided to make a video on dealing with root rot. We often deal with a biofilm buildup as well as some brown stuff on our roots. It can be caused by several things, like low oxygen, high water temperature, dirty reservoir, nutrients. I'll talk about getting rid of root rot in a DWC Hydro (Deep Water Culture Hydroponics) setup and preventing it from returning.
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You've never used hydrogen peroxide, have you? Lol
You can put your air pump inside a floor vent with AC running. It will pump cold air into your nutrient solution. Low budget water chiller
GENUIS!!!
I so wish I had central air, but only one room has a window unit. I tried sticking an air tube in ice water but it did nothing as the temp out the other end was 1f higher than the room temp.
Good idea 👏 👌 👍 😀
Cold air in sounds great but the pump itself gets hot and will heat the air as it passes through the pump. Maybe put your main line in a cooler with ice and adjust the length of hose to be long enough that it has time to chill air as it passes through.
Thanks!
I'm not growing cannabis but I am growing tomatoes in dwc and your channel is way more informative than the others I've looked up
I want to start growing tomatoes and peppers as well!
@@DusaFarms until cannabis gets legalized in my state tomatoes and peppers for me lmao
Any chance of an ounce of your finest tomatoes? Seedless please. ;)
Me to growing 🍉 and cucumber 🥒
Silver bullet works but in my experience it's all about the water temp. 18 c is good for me and I never do tank changes, only topping up every few days to rebalance nutrients. I read that keeping the same water and just topping off can also increase natural pgr's. NASA tried this with nft and kept the same start water for a year or more and had great results. I wondered if the outcome would be the same in rdwc and have had no problems since using this method. It's like maintaining a healthy fish tank, the more you mess the more issues you may have. And remember, the nutrient company's want you to be dumping your res every week so you buy more nutrients and snake oils! Kiss is the key but keep them temps in check and consistent. Happy growing all.
Great advice! Thanks!
Bennies, Orca for example in aero/ hydro but there's many good ones will work much better than Silver Bullet/ sterile rez in not optimal temps which has failed bad on me and killed a small tree with pythium which was already 6y old.
Might want to give it a try!🙂
@@erikfreezer6282 the best beneficials I've used, and swear by are the southern agriculture GFF, and Mammoth P. I use the GFF every water change from the beginning to end and then add mammoth p once I switch to flower. Never had root rot and have had nothing but thriving plants.
Nutrient companies approve of the bi-weekly water change.
They would also suggest changing the water as often as you can, they even like you to pour the nurient straight fown the drain and come buy more.
Theoretically you should never have to change the res.
Voodoo juice saved me from a bad case of rot. I struggled with water temp and air injection. Good air stones, water chiller and voodoo juice made a huge difference. No cheap pumps either. UC roots didn’t work for me but I had a big rot problem
@@geraldblount4159 You can cool the water to 66-68 deg for under $100.
I’m trying both Kratky and DWC to grow strawberries, peppers and greens. Your channel is very informative! Thank you for sharing❤
This is one of the most helpful hydroponics videos I've found yet! I have strawberry plants that started off growing great and then went south, wilted, dried out, and stopped growing. I really don't see any slime but the roots aren't creating any new growth and are brown, except for 1 or two of them. I'm not sure if that's due to root rot or some other problem. I've been thinking of getting them a dedicated pump to see if that works better. I have one with about 12 nozzles leading to various plants. I notice the lettuce growing in a mason jar with its own air stone bubbler inside the jar is growing wonderfully and has roots that are white and about 8-9 inches long! I'm thinking the smaller amount of water to the higher air ratio might be what is making it do so well.
Strawberries require inoculation, not sterilisation. Strawberries rely on bacillus, microbes, and fungus, not just NPK neuts.
If your air flow is low the plant will die, if the water is too hot etc etc etc.
The roots on Strawberries ho brown due to the plant exudate, where as nightshade (Tomatoes, potatoes, cannabis) don't require inoculation.
One thing I'd say is that some products are more about sterility (UC Roots) and some are about trying to introduce microbes that will out compete root rot related microbes (Hydroguard, Orca, etc). You wouldn't typically want to run both types as the sterile options like UC Roots (its an acid) or H2O2 will kill the beneficial stuff you added. I think really with DWC you should make a choice to go semi-sterile or not. Probably as a noob having tried the beneficial route (Hydroguard, Hygrozyme) I'd recommend using UC Roots or something like that for first grows. Some people even grow with low levels of chlorine and it works. Chlorine is as natural as any other element ... its not gonna ruin your plant or make it poisonous or nothing.
Thanks for this, it’s a great addition.
I was sold on DWC being super simple but once I found out the temp control of the water is the main issue I had to step back. No a/c and don’t want pumps and lights running in my small living space inside. Glad I didn’t set a hydro grow in the sun room during summer😅
Just get a chiller and a bigger air pump
Dude, I love the confidence you instill in me. I have not been checking temperature of my water and I'm sure I've been going too cold (straight from the tap, to tent). I really will start alternating buckets but filling it up the day before I use it. Then its at least at room temp from my basement which I am going to start to keeping cooler from now on as well, lol.
You can also just fill from tap and aerate the water for a few hours. Evaporates chlorine and it’ll bring your water to room temp
In winter I sometimes just boil a kettle and add the hot water to Res to speed up the warming time. Hot water good for dry nutrients, better solubility.
I remember the time I had the water colder than usual when changing the water. Came back a half hour later and the whole plant was drooping. It recovered but lost a few leaves. Sure, they like cold water but not cold Canadian water! :p
Is there a way to keep plant water fresh by using a fish tank filter/aerator so you don't have to change the water as often?
Word my man on point. You are what DWC needs , heart on ya sleeve as u share your experiences and informed the 'community' on DWC in real time. Keep things CLEAN!!!!!!!!
I use Pythoff ( great Australian product)for sterile dwc and flood n drain.
I am currently trying H+G roots excellerator which seems to have worked. 5 weeks in crazy growth on top n under in rhizome room.
Great white is great and white totally watet soluble
Good advice thanks I’m doing a poor boy method indoor hydro it’s been going great but I think I have root rot now. I soaked the roots in perox n water for about a Hr. I have it put back but idk. So ima run with some these methods thank you
Great white Shark is too good to be true totally water soluble and clears your water rite up in no time amazing stuff for DWC or soil.
Dude before you finding anything on dwc was hard! Thank you
I don't do dwc but it's good to know fuggin 🙌🏼. Appreciate you fam 👊🏼
Appreciate you! 🙌😁
Yo emergency asap need help plant is in flower got disconnected from the air stone overnight and has serious droop idk what's wrong searching root rot looking at anything that might be affecting my plant after a night without oxygen
This has been a long grow
Hey man could we not inoculate the dwc solution with recharge ??? Fill the bucket or reservoir full of beneficial bacteria snd make it so competitor organisms cannot get a hold on your system as it’s already colonised with beneficials in a high quantity stopping any bad stuff starting at all no ???
I don't know if you've heard of Southern ag garden friendly fungicide. Super concentrated but it works like none other.
new to dwc and new sub , just pregaming thanks for the info appreciate your time thank you .
Never comment on youtube videos, but this is a W video man. Doing my first hydro grow and videos like this allow me to gain so much knowledge about things I didn’t even know about. Appreciate the video 🫶
When using revitalize in a recirculating system , should use it multiple times during the week before water change or just week to week ?
The only time I suspect I had roots going rotten, I put in enough water so I could submerge all of the roots. The water was roughly a 50/50 mix with hydrogen peroxide. Not sure how long to keep it submerged but I am confident that it shocked those bad bacteria!
Thanks for this video, it was very informative. I’m a long time grower but trying DWC for the first time.
Microbial mass is magic in a bottle as well but expensive.
Hygrozyme a cheaper alternative enzyme.
Use either with UC roots to keep a sterile res.
I’m going through the motions right now in Canada. Can’t get hydroguard for reasonable price.
Could you get a buddy to send it to you?
So it is safe to cut the root rot of the roots even if it’s on the main tap root? I have a two week old seedling with root rot.
I use simple green on the root rot, also spray it into the hydroton. Have yet to lose a plant, since using it.
Can you please elaborate on this for me in depth detial? So flush the plants with simple green then flush the simple green out and replace back into my rdwc?
@@LeoneInk i spray and work into the roots the Simple Green, like washing your hair, work it in. Then rinse until it completely rinsed out. Make sure the slime is all gone.
DAM DUSA! You ACTUALLY cam back and read and likes my comment! Respect bro! Keep it comin!! You make me wanna start a channel too! 👊🏻🤘🏻
So nice that there's a cool channel for DWC growers! So burned out with the boatload of living soil channels.
*Sodium Benzoate seems to prevent algae according to a chilled tech video I saw years ago.
Thank you.
So tap water is cool to use? Great info. Subscribed
It is ,
when it’s sit out for around 6/12/ even 24 hours if you want with the top off let it declorniate itself Google it. It’s out there study man. Study study. Depends if using organic nutes also. It’s best to use rso or distilled water. There’s a man that uses a old water pipe that comes out of the rock in Kentucky that is the perfect water. Free just gotta find the source that’s near you.
And personally I’ve used it straight from tap and couldn’t tell a difference if the ph and ppm where on point.
I wish I had a water chiller, they’re expensive to run electricity wise to. I use frozen water bottles. My bottles are up against the roots sometimes, I’ve had no issues. Change em out twice a day. Abt to upgrade to them 2 liter jawns tho lol maybe I’d only have to do it once lol
I may have to start using the bottles during the summer because this heat is no joke lol
I use the ice packs for lunch coolers, but I was thinking about using ice trays with perfect pH balance water and drop them in as needed,
"jawn"? We gotta link up, fam
I have a chiller I never use for my CO2 laser, and you are right it is loud, obnoxious, and expensive to run. One thing no one wishes to tell people is that it is not a miracle cure. For instance if the ambient temp is 35c-40c the chiller will never turn off, and it cannot get the water down below about 22-24c. With the thing never turning off the bills go through the roof, and it burns out much much quicker. This thing is about 650-700 USD too.
Mini fridge, copper line coiled more coils the better around pvc pipe placed inside the fridge...small water pump to recirculating thts 👌
I use Hydroguard , works wonders when your temps are running alittle high and your worried about root rot might happen
I have a question about nutrients. If I have 10-10-10 and let's say a 12-18-25, and do an EC test with the result being at 1.2. Are the results the same, or is one stronger in reality? I am getting lost in the trees with all this stuff as I try to figure out what is destroying my plants after the cotyledon leaves drop.
If they’re both reading at 1.2 then I would say the strength of them is the same. It’s just the actual makeup of them will be different because of the ratios. Hydro or soil?
@@DusaFarms Hydro. I like adding weird shit to my mixes like a Centrum multivitamin which does lower pH and raises EC.
Are you sure you got hydro nutrients? I havnt seen numbers that high for hydro nutes. But, I’m new.
@@Vanxiety12 LOL, yes. Masterblend
So hey bro I see you used the vivosun water pump (the submerged 1000 gal per hour one) on your pots instead of the stones. Do you just sit this at the bottom of the 5 gallon in replace of an air stone and aquarium air pump? Really need to know bc I feel that would be best but if an overkill I’d just do the big 4in air stones with regular aquarium pumps. Thanks I appreciate what you do!
i tried this and then works great but it adds atleast 5 degrees to the water temp
I was using hydroguard but recently switched to Orca on my last two runs. Hydroguard works pretty well but the Orca is a mix of liquid mycorrhizae with beneficial bacteria. It is highly concentrated and only use a half milliliter per gallon of water. I also have a RDWC system with a .25 hp water chiller that I keep programmed at 68*f. I’ve seen Better results with the Orca and I highly recommend that you give it a try.
Hi, what is main differences beetween Hydro guard and Orca?
@@Vanxiety12 Hydroguard is beneficial bacteria while Orca is a mixture of beneficial bacteria with mycorrhizae, which is a fungi that colonizes in the roots and makes them more efficient at absorbing nutrients. The beneficial bacteria colonizes the roots and grow medium to prevent harmful bacteria from colonizing.
Orca rocks in hydro/aero❤They just have to put out a non- liquid version.
Use both
I don’t grow hydro but I do support the homies! Hope all is well Fam!
Appreciate the support always! 🙌
@@DusaFarms yessir alsways here for the FAM!!
Love your content but i really love the reasons you put out your content! Were a huge family! Happy growin brother👊🏻🤘🏻🫡
TPS billions has Mycorrhizae and a few bacteria including the ones in hydroguard for same price on Amazon as hydroguard. It’s also water soluble in my opinion it seems to increase growth and is way better than the grate white or hydroguard haven’t tried other one he mentions.
Very informative, god bless and keep up the good work brother 🙏🙏🙌🙌😎
Thanks brother 🙌
Gonna try a ‘cooling water mattress’ on tent floor to try keep water temp Down and low root rot, half price of water cooler and easier set up
I stopped using my berkey water filter and now I’m getting root rot like crazy. Lost 6 plants. Ordered hygrozeme or whatever see if that works. Hydroguard doesn’t
Can adding too much hydra guard make the roots rot?
👍 bro said the quarantine bucket 🪣💀💀💀
I truly believe in peroxide I maybe should have add water to it but 2 of my outdoor plants ended up getting root rot so poor in straight peroxide on both of them straighten them out
I use the hydrogen 3% ONLYYY!!! and I clean my buckets and stones and I also add it straight to the water. I do 60ml for a 5 gallon bucket every 2 days and evetime I did a full change over I would add 120ml of hydrogen peroxide 3%. Hydro guard is the same thing just 20 times the price :)!
Hydroguard is a living culture not h2o2
Who told you that?
@@DirtRoadFarmers myself, it’s called science. When hydrogen breaks down it turns into oxygen, if you follow those steps you won’t have any slime:)
@@DirtRoadFarmersalso keeping water temp down an not to hot keeps bacteria from growing and also any light getting into the water:)
@HooteyHooots hydroguard is not the same thing as peroxide... period!!!! That is not true!!! Stop spreading false information, please.
Have you ever looked into or used the Advanced Nutrients brand of nutes for DWC? I like it because it automatically sets perfect PH. No need to adjust....check it out
Hi, I have just started with. DWC. Should I fill in water that is a little bit colder than 68 degrees because it heats up automatically.
And leave the air pump simply outside the tent for example
Do you clean & reuse your clay pebbles
Yes
I don't understand how every single time I try to grow 🪴 a plant from seed in doors it just never makes it to flower 🌻 but every single time I throw a seed out in the backyard it just grows wild 🧐
First time trying Kratky, and DWC, since my first year having a complete loss in soil/potting mix. I went to Hydro and everything ended up going well for a few days then root rot and loss. I can't win for losing.
Yea it can strike so fast and be hard to recover from
Orca is great whites synthetic hydro beneficial product
@@deathmetalgardens5460 18 USD per ounce? This isn't caviar.
@@DusaFarms I think I will score some Revitalize as it is about 16 bucks, and you said 0.5ml per gallon means for 16 dollars it will make 946 gallons. Even at 1ml it would make 473 gallons.
Orca is about 100$/L in Canada. And I’ll take that over 850$ a gallon for microbial mass.
But orca is beneficial bacterial. Where MM is ? Enzymes and….magic in a bottle. Black magic I think.
Why not just take your plant out and rinse the roots in distilled water instead of cutting them all off?
H2o2 is 1-1.5% but make sure to rinse with clean water 15m after. But only use this in a sterile setting as it kills good and bad bacteria.
I use 67f so when new water comes in the temp is OK while it cools down if it hits 68 or 70f.
I invented my own water chiller/heater. It's automatic and I can build them much cheaper than ones found online. I also have different power levels for faster or slower cooling. My system uses 7 gallons or so and my cooler uses about 40w.
Thanks again
Thank you!
Hey bro like this video. Just wanted to let u know an alternative water chiller n less expensive I just about to start dwc and I ordered from Amazon everything needed for dwc hydroponic growing. Im actually doing 3.5 gallon Bubble Boy dwc bucket.so I looked up water chiller for aquarium and found some suitable for dwc hydroponic growing. I got mine for 127.00$
Appreciate that fam!!
great show thank you
Trust your nose. Dump and clean if smells like a pond. At all. H2O2 works great. Know the percentage before application. Proper application rate is huge difference of 3% stuff vs 30% industrial strength. The beauty of h2o2 is as it oxidizes and cleans, it leaves h2o only. Just water left. And oxygen.
I’m currently using great white I’m eager to see how the roots will come out also it’s good to prevent root rot
Thanks Javar love your Discord channel!
Oh thanks. I am in a hot place. I didn't think of running lights at night.
I heard abt ppl trimming their roots. I’ve always got sketch on it because I feel like it would stress it out to much I get worried it’d be like cutting a main artory ya know
Root pruning is ok And safe do some research, I was scared to hurt the plant but they actually grow back and saves your system from getting clogged with massive root systems 🙌🙏😎
Yea I was nervous at first. I thought my plants would be done for haha but they bounced back
@@JackFrost-fe5mk If you want to avoid roots clogging up your system, line you're buckets with a paint strainer bag. This will allow the water to flow and stop the roots from clogging the system.
I cant get hydroguard where i live. Great white shark works for me, meant to help root growth and stuff too not just protect against root rot.
Slf 100 and photosynthesis plus great duo much stronger than great white and about the same price
@@Rangers9789 i'll look into that combo man thanks, so i get the same amount just use a smaller dosage basically?
i know hydroguard and great white use bacticiliuious afloriesnaisnesndinesaklnfndsljkga cant remember the spelling lol just know they use the same key ingredient of beneficial bacteria. i aint no rocket surgeon as ya can tell
@@jasondykstra5257 5ml per gallon of sfl100 and 6ml per gallon photosynthesis plus makes a potent combo or you can brew your own heisenberg tea which is alot stronger and cheaper than anything you can buy in a bottle
@@Rangers9789 hell yeah cheers brother im still a newb so i love hearin shit like this, im slowly building more confidence to start mixing it up a bit and trying some different methods ands juices.
Thanks!
If you use hydroton or some kind of clay pebbles I would recommend running them under some water first.
awesome 😎
Thanks for watching fam 😁💯
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Never forget Craig’s list and offer up for cheap used aquarium chillers.
My room was average temps of 79 in an ebb system . Had to run a water chiller set at 65 degrees and no more rot
What about hydrogen peroxide for root rot?
I noticed that I have the same cook book. Snoop Dogg😀
do i trim roots if shes 2 weeks old?)
It’s risky trimming the roots. You don’t have to but I do depending on severity
13:20 some pathogenic fungi are anaerobic, they compete better in low oxygen environments. Aerobic species die off without oxygen.
thx
Cold packs, mentioned diy frozen water bottles 'n stuff, is definitely the cheapest way 😅 (we only get about 3 kw/h per dollar)
Sadly, we don't get uc roots in germany, but I've heard tons of times, that people switched from hydroguard!
The right Enzymes are also helpful to get rid of dead root mass and are refeeding it to the plant and mycorrhizae, if you use 'em...
Loved the dirty ass crack comparison 😂
I always use it for making a point like there's no in between, it's either clean or not, there's no "almost" or "kinda" 😅
Also: in every modern country you'll find seriously fat people. Like so fat, that their arms physically can't reach their cracks, so how do these people stay clean? Do they wipe at all? With all the unhealthy eating, they usually shit multiple times a day, so...? 🤔😂
Trying in a basement without a chiller
RO water with hydrogen peroxide works for me for keeping root rot away.
I really want to start using RO
Anyone try to use a cooler it would hold temp way better. Just a thought I been. Thinking about trying
perhaps mycorrhizal fungi too?
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I Swear By a Product called Wilt Guard by CX Hydroponics !
SM-90 will help you tremendously with rot also.
Best way to prevent root rot , is to quit lifting your lid every 5 minutes checking on your roots ,,,:)
Orca is the same thing as wight shark but is water Seibl
Never ran into root rot but never done full dwc closest is coco coir
I’m absolutely loving coco!
@@DusaFarms what nutes you running for coco for flowering ? Are you running synthetics ? Being honest I like to mix it up organics in veg salt based nutrients in flower
Yea I’m running Athena right now.
1 time I had it and it was on a experiment plant
Next run, I’m going to just do like 2 DWC plants just try to get that “perfect” grow
@@DusaFarms water temp & good upkeep on water & nutrients and she will be huge
I got 6 thunder tubes on the way , it’s aeroponics
Yes peroxide will get rid of RR, I use HTH as cheap alternative to hydrogaurd to prevent RR in DWC....
What ratio and strength are you using? I’ve tried 3% 50ml to 20L res but still getting root rot?
@@bigdogdazza Do you actually have RR now? I use up to 5mils per gal of hth every few days bc it evaporates...If you have RR now spray roots with peroxide at every watering should disappear in few days...
You've never used hydrogen peroxide, have you?
Why do you keep deleting my posts!!!
If you were talking crazy then I hide it, if not then it was probably not sent on your end
Sfl100
Lil tip guys anti septic disinfectant super dilute 😊thank me later
Anyone here ever use hydrogen peroxide in your dwc??? 👀🙃
yes solved my problem for probably 24 hrs before I had to add more. not a good long term solution but id assume good prevention or something to finish the crop
I made a chiller from an ice maker anyone interested low low price
Enzymes are good 2 ❤
4th of 20 gallons is 5 gallons not litres
I ran this through AI and found the following, I have not tried it yet but take a peek:
Product Name Price (Approx.) Customer Satisfaction (Out of 5)
Botanicare Hydroguard $ 30 for 1 quart 4.7
Great White Premium Mycorrhizae $40 for 4 oz 4.8
Mycos WP by Supreme Growers $25 for 4 oz 4.6
General Hydroponics SubCulture B $20 for 150 g 4.4
Roots Organics Oregonism XL $25 for 4 oz 4.5
Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice $35 for 1 liter 4.7
Xtreme Gardening Mykos Pure $20 for 1 lb 4.8
Bingo....que no!
Big Dusa!!!
What’s up homie! 🙌
If you're dealing with hot water in the reservoir a chiller is the only way to go. I've just been through the dilemma and took the water from 28°c to 20° easily in all the drums just running off the dripper. Bit pricey but had no other option.