Mom Defends The Shiny Happy People Cult | Friends With Davey
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
- The release of Prime Video's #1 documentary series "Shiny Happy People," exposed audiences all over the world to the dark secrets of the Duggar Family (from TLC's "19 Kids & Counting") and cult leader, Bill Gothard.
But some people are still defending the Shiny Happy People cult and ex-members, Davey Jackson and Brice, take an in-depth look at at homeschool mom who claims the cult wasn't as bad people think.
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The correct term for “overactive conscience” is “scrupulosity”.
Or just “brainwashed” 😂
@@daveyjaxx Totally! It affected me when I was Catholic… really awful. I would feel so guilty if I forgot to says my Hail Marys and Our Fathers before bedtime! Luckily it went away completely when I became an atheist. From Wikipedia: “In psychology, scrupulosity is pathological guilt or anxiety about moral or religious matters… It is typically conceptualized by psychologists as a moral or religious form of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).”
@@daveyjaxx😂
Listen to her voice- I’m convinced she is a Michelle Duggar super-fan. She’s trying to sound just like her!
Exactly. That is the Bill Gothard IBLP woman’s voice. The voice, that adoring look at your spouse and big smiles are all part of the IBLP cult
Davey, *ignorant* is the correct word to use here. She should know better, but somehow she does not.
I am so sorry that so many people have been hurt by Bill Gothard. I was effected by Gothard's teachings, but it was through the Christian school I attended. These teachings were not in my home. The principal tried to bully my Dad into using this teaching in the home (LOL). My Dad came out of the principal's office, got in the car, looked at me, & said "That guy is not right in the head. You stick with me". I was 12 at the time. I am now in my 50s. I worry about this guy's NOW adult children!
That’s a good dad!!! 👏🏻👏🏻
Heck most would say my upbringing was secular but baptist adjacent, and this man’s teachings affected me.
@@daveyjaxx yes, he was!
She lost me the second I saw the Matt Walsh "art" on the table behind her 😂
I love the “she’s defiantly a Prophet but she’d probably call herself a Mercy. 😂😂😂😂😂 On point guys! I can’t stop laughing! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You two are the funniest pair I have come across in ages. Let’s face it: the IBLP is an evil cult. While things discussed on this channel are very upsetting, I am always laughing because you guys can be serious and funny at the same time. What a talent!
Thank you!! That means so much 🙏🏻❤️
She won’t have a conversation. She runs a moms group on Facebook and will kick you out when you tell her her advice is ridiculous…
Wait does she actually run a Fb group?? 😂
thtt is a red flag on how you know a belief system or govt or any group is false or patriarchal or communistic. they do not allow for opposing views and shut down any questioning of their agenda or rules.
a truly free group will allow discourse and not try to hide the faults or problems in the group but try to fix them
the same goes for patriarchal abusive men in the church...they get caught and fight like hell to keep their position
but a true pastor will admit his sins, fault, step down and seek help
I need the deets on this group lol
She has no idea. My childhood in IBLP was basically a horror movie and there were no survivors who weren’t left completely broken. I just cannot deal with this awful woman. I promise you we will hear awful things from her kids someday and I hope CPS is aware of her and people turn her in id they see anything at all.
My parents were adjacent to the iblp. They rejected it but my mom couldnt believe he was guilty and was very sad when i gave her the whole story. She too believes that the organization went too far but thats the same with every group. It opened itself up to abuse.
Great parenting techniques like love and Logic don't use fear or spanking and they do start early on a child learning ways to handle emotions in a more healthy way. No way a 4 yr old will control emotions, but they do start learning this action has this consequence and that things like tantrums will drain the energy of those around you and they have the choice of doing things like screaming and crying in their room and taking the time to calm down (which is their way of working toward controlling their emotions) or breaking clear boundaries and choosing the consequences.
There will always be people who think they have all the wisdom without experiencing it first. Can you have the same sort of problems without being in a cult? Sure. But is a cult an ideal breeding ground for those problems to arise? Absolutely.
BINGOOOO
My mom was the ringleader in our camp! No contact for 2.5 years and counting.
I feel like that’s the case for a lot of fundie moms
Census idea: stats on how many serial killers are produces from organizations/religions. This could be a great selling point for some
That’s gotta be out there somewhere I’m looking it up
Someone actually bought the Matt Walsh in a diaper stuffy and put it in the background of her film setup? This woman cannot be taken seriously.
I can see the sadness in both your eyes and feel your pain. I am so sorry you had to go thru all that.. ❤❤
After calling her repulsive, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for her to take you up on your invitation. 😂😂
Now this is going to be a very, very interesting interview….
I don’t know how long I’ll make it.
She refused to do an interview with us but we took a video she made about IBLP and commented on several clips
She has a baby, Matt Walsh plushy in her room. That should tell you everything you need to know about her.
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She keeps talking about Jinger, but it was Jill in Shiny Happy People. Also the weird infomercial music background.
The whole thing is giving *ignorant*
@@daveyjaxx definitely. I was in a more mainstream church but this one family hosted a mom group and the mom reminded me of this lady. It was nice as a young mom to have a place to go without kids and have a free meal with other women... And then she kept using the Pearls in her lesson stuff... I think I narrowly avoided a cult. Lol
So…the idea that other people had “worse trauma” thing🤦♀️. You cannot compare trauma. Yes there are different legal consequences for different types. But you can’t compare. And I can guarantee those “other people” have probably have similar trauma. Just no.
This is my mom's line of thinking.
Victims are not victims, they can't be victims.
Same
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
I’m a mom who raised two sons alone, I homeschooled them but not through Bill G.
I did go to the seminars many times. I’m thankful u r sharing. I’m so sorry as a mom to u both. I validate all u r going through. I’m screwup as well, yours was worse.
Ghost the ones that r choosing to b blind. Let them go if they can’t cope. Some want to b blind. Block her.
I soooo cant wait for the follow up! I wasnt even in a cult, but like to be educated on the experiences of ex-cult members and she was triggering me...😂...omg...unreal!!
Sounds like something my mom would say, after me getting locked into a room for being " demoned possessed," while i was attending Journey to the Heart. It's not the only incident that I experienced in ATI
Omg! I am SO SO sorry! This sound horrific! I am here to listen to your story if you ever decide to tell it. ❤
The other thing I’m wondering Brice and Davey, is that has she actually 1) read the materials, and 2) seen an IBLP house in action?
She may have this silver lining effect currently because her lack of experience in the lives of the fallout.
Hey guys. There was no strict interpretation of the scriptures in the Gothard cult. It was all proof text. You read through the literature that he would explain the concept. The concept was laid out very specifically. And you look for the scripture and it be out of Ecclesiastes or some other obscure verse. I had to go to Gothard as a child and in my 20s I went. I wasn’t anything like you guys, so close to him. I was an independent Baptist (we had our own cult).
The obscure Bible verses was the foundation of so many of the cult principles you’re absolutely right
I felt like what she said was from the perspective of the Bible college I went to. It was not affiliated with the IBLP, but it was adjacent enough that we were taught the umbrellas.
You should also bring someone who grew up without religion to get that side of it as well. It would be interesting to hear their thoughts
I have a therapist friend that we’re going to get an opinion from which should be verrry interesting 👀
You two are so intelligent and hilarious, watching often. This was a very interesting one.
Has anyone noticed the Matt Walsh face in the background?
We didn’t realize it during the episode but the live chat figured it out pretty quick 😂😂
@@daveyjaxx what an odd thing to have at all but even more so to keep it in the background of your video 🤣🤡
What's weird is it looks like it's on a bulldog or a naked baby or something. Super weird.
Sounds to me like she’s doing damage control like a spin doctor would do in a campaign.
A lot of people are saying they think she was paid lol
Y’all should read Jill Duggars book and review it. It’s so sad and it really just takes a look behind the family in more depth.
She sounds like the kind of women that likes being important. She likes hearing herself talk and being a know it all. The kind of person that likes to get the last word. The karen stereotype.
I came to your page specifically to look to see if you have done any videos on this shiny slander series 😂
I would put money on the fact that she has a child with issues. She needs to distance herself from responsibility of choices made by a child.
I did not grow up in a cult but this lady makes me so angry. Life is not the suffering Olympics. You can’t say that other people have been through worse or different things and didn’t have the same issues. Everyone experiences life in a different way, and their bodies and brains will react in whatever way helps them survive. I’m so sorry that she’s making people feel invalid. That’s not true at all.
Life is not a trauma contest well said 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm so happy I had made it to the live chat! First time an awesome youtuber said hi to me! Love these guys and the laughs and also the deep thinking!
I've been learning the UPC is VERY much a controlled religion! IBLP was sure talked about at church! Also focus on the family! I even went to bible college and started realizing really recently that I started deconstructing back then ! Have a wonderful night everyone!! 😊
Thank you so much for hanging out! 🙏🏻❤️
@@daveyjaxx when do you usually go live? I need to write these things down or I'll forget. Lol. Hope you have a great night! 😊
Great dialog...I think you are peeling back the layers of a juicy onion. Keep up the hard work 💪
Her lack of logic is why she can hold her nonlogical beliefs.
I love this channel! You guys make me reminisce on my life in Mormonism (back in the day when it was a lot stricter). When I was 16 years old (in 2000) the way to tell if a girl had good character was to see if she followed the prophet's instruction that year that girls shouldn't wear more than one set of earrings. Later, in college, I heard an inspiring story about a young man who "did the wise thing" and broke off a relationship with a girl because he knew she'd heard the prophet's sermon and after weeks had gone by she still was wearing two sets of earrings! By mandate, Mormons have a photo of their current prophet in every bishop's office and in their primary (children's ministry) in every church house worldwide, like communists displaying the image of their leader everywhere. The children sing the song "Follow the prophet [repeated 3 times] Don't go a astray. Follow the prophet … [repeated 3 times] He knows the way!" In one of your videos you mentioned that if you hugged a girl while you were in the institute you'd get sent home, and that made me burst out laughing because that's what my Mormon mission was like! One hug, though it probably wouldn't have gotten me sent home, would have at least gotten me "emergency transferred" the next day to another city. Thanks for not trash talking Christianity on your channel, by the way. Every cult forbids people from fact-checking their "prophet" against Scripture.
Thank you so much!!! 🙏🏻❤️ I did an episode with shelise from cults to consciousness and explained sooo much about Mormonism
Is that a crawling naked baby Bryce in that creepy woman's room??? 😅😂 I was like, what the hell is going on with all of this 😮😆🙄 You guys are awesome❤
It’s a Matt Walsh stuffy
😂😂😂😂 naked baby brice I love that
@daveyjaxx I know it's not, so I was so glad you thought it looked like Brice as well 😅 Inside jokes with Davey 😆💥
Do you notice how she talks to the camera as if she is talking to a bunch of kindergarteners. Her eye expressions, voice inflection, soft, girly voice, etc. all screams KINDERGARTEN LECTURE. I used to teach early childhood and this is exactly how I looked and sounded when talking with very young children.
That’s because she knows better than anyone else 😂😂
The “innocent and wholly truthful” voice.
@@dianeplescia5565 Ah! So that silly little girl kindergarten teacher voice has a title “innocent and wholly truthful”. 🤣😂😂😂🤣🤣. There is nothing “truthful” about those cult members
Jinger wasn’t in the documentary. She declined to participate because she (or the MacArthur church her husband works for) was worried about spin. Jill participated and I don’t think anything she said in the docuseries is inconsistent with her book
The bulldog person is Matt Walsh. Let that tell you everything you need to know, lmao.
We had no idea until the live chat figured it out during the episode premiere 😂😂
She sounds like a Women’s Ministry leader at a fundamental baptist church… her cadence and the way she words things is triggering 🤣
The type that uses “wives submit to your husband” as a cop out. I don’t have to study or have my own theological opinions or understand, I just take what my husbands opinion is and he will be the one who answers to God. Or the “prophet” or “pastor”, etc. is the “umbrella” over the flock, and same thing, they’re the authority on the Bible and I, as a v@&!¥@ having human, just need to shut up and submit. That never leads to controlling, violent abuse 👀
All while, like y’all said, NOT “submitting” to her husband, because she’s in charge 🤣
The Bible class teacher that everyone dreads 😂
Do y’all remember the at diagram that he had with the spiritual gifts? The candlestick(menorah) shape with the gifts that balance each other? The prophet and Mercy balance. Exhorter and teacher. Leader/organizer and server(or maybe giver). Giver(or maybe it was server) was by itself. Deeply implied that those gifts should marry either other. Or that’s how I took it. I had a whole identity crisis cause I couldn’t figure out my gift so I didn’t know who to marry. 🤣 Happy to report, I am now happily married and still not sure what my gift is and no clue his.
Lindsay called it the fundie zodiac signs 😂
@@daveyjaxx yesssssss
Davey sounds just like me when I'm rightfully offended. 😄
The woman sounds blissfully unaware of reality. I'm a bit envious. Must be nice.
Perhaps she is completely aware of reality and spends vast amounts of energy building walls of denial.
The bull dog looks like Matt Walsh!
Mason Jar Tattoo comment cracked me up!!!
That’s because it is Matt Walsh. ua-cam.com/video/ZpgIuqKRj_E/v-deo.htmlsi=egOgg33Q8_IwQWTp
I am convinced by her flippancy and incorrect assumptions and dismissal, that she has never even seen it. She probably thinks it’s a sin to watch it
Oh man, she has that "duggar voice" - that fake sweet voice!
It’s a little lower than the *authorized* frequency 😂😂😂
“It’s already extreme!” And it’s not isolated to IBLP! All Gothard did was make little booklets out of all the little layer of bs that was already rampant in fundamentalist conservative circles or just in the minds of the most conservative people in any church in the mid-1900s.
That’s the same dismissive response people who are questioning the church have at any level. “Well, you just got hurt,” “not all churches are like that,” “who hurt you?” Etc.
Oh yeah gothard wasn’t original at all 😂
She needs to read the book A Matter of Basic Principles. It's an older book, but it is so good at pointing out what is wrong with the teachings of Bill Gothard. I wouldn't read it for the longest time because they brainwashed me into thinking that anyone who read it was evil and just hated God. However, when I read it, it opened my eyes to the ways he was twisting the Bible. I knew it was truth too because I had all of the books that they referenced from Bill Gothard on my bookshelf at that time. I was raised in ATI curriculum I'm going to Bill Gothard's seminars as well.
Choose your own adventure cult 🤣🤣🤣 YES!! That is it! You were required to attend the Knoxville conference and the Basic and Advanced Seminars too when I was in it unless you had special permission. I remember that my parents didn't even have money for family vacations, but we had to go to Knoxville for the conferences.
U guys got it way worse than those of us who only went to the seminars. U guys are experts. We don’t know as much as I’m learning u have suffered. Oh my goodness.
I spanked I controlled myself and my kids. 😢. I regret so much. But u guys, u know stuff on a level that was a whole other level.
Aunt Lydia is off her rocker.
😢 This is so incredibly sad.
It is but also infuriating
FYI the baby plush is of a conservative talk show host. He's made them to make fun of people who he sees as easily offended. It tells you all you need to know about her as someone who believes that she and other fundamentalist Christians are the only ones who can ever be truly persecuted and that no one is ever a victim to any tangible degree. Also you do not want one of his plush dolls, he is a genuinely horrible human being who does not need nor deserve your money.
I have been watching 100s of podcasts and trials with regard to crimes perpetuated by people in high demand religions, and it blows my mind that there are still sooooo many people still in these "cults".
As a single mom I never hit my kids - I nutured them with love, respect and communication, and they are well adjusted adults today. Your Christianity should be how you love and respect all those around you - not in a church.
I met a sweet lady who totally agrees with this lady . I couldn’t believe such thing existed.
Wow!! This is crazy thinking!
That’s fundamental religion for ya! 😂
Ugh grind my gears… when she said well it was only 1 out of 19… tell that to the 4 sisters… 4/18 (that we know of) that were hurt by that 1/19. 4/18 NOT protected from that 1.
EXACTLY!
The face in the background looks like Matt Walsh
So she agrees with some things. But not the part where a man has authority over cause. She wasn't about to give up bossing her husband around.
😂😂😂
This screams to me: she's been trolled and told her religious fundamentalist views are cult-like. Girl Defined did something simular.
She sounds like one of the people that would have participated in the “thank you Michelle” montage. I’m pretty sure the background face is Matt Walsh. As a survivor of the IFB, she’s not making a lot of sense. “Well some was good, and some was bad” I remember one preacher that loved to say “eat the chicken, spit out the bones” and I remember my mom saying I just want some boneless chicken.
I know where she is coming from. You have her completely right in saying she is seeing what she wants to see and ignores all else. I know because I have a sister with the same mindset. She does have it right that the problem starts with Gothard being a god. I was raised as a Christian and I was taught that people are inherently imperfect so to worship a person (or an organization) is wrong. What is sad is people with that mindset come away with conclusions that makes all Christians look bad. My sister actually watched the shiny happy people documentary (I was shocked she watched it) Her take away was sad that the kids (Jinger and Jill) turned on their parents. Sorry, I don't get it. Then again my sister has never experienced something like that.
I keep trying to come up with the right word for people who are in intentional denial and the best I can think of is delusional. It’s like their infatuated with their religious beliefs…so sad and infuriating at the same time.
I am betting the dog is a Matt Walsh item! I am a big fan of his and I think he sold those as a funny merch item!
Yep that’s exactly what it was!
Actually, while the documentary did make good but difficult points, I thought the very end was a straight up hit on homeschooling Christian families, even ones who weren't connected with Gothard - I mean, they took a swipe at Patrick Henry College and their congressional intern program, which unlike the Gothard program really has been turning out qualified people and was crowd sourced from homeschooling families that belong to HSLDA, a legal association.
The statement was also made that families with fundamental Christian beliefs - not just IBLP - were all fostering abusers, which made my jaw hit the floor. That was such a sweeping statement and it doesn't make people who watch it treat Christian families too well.
The answer for the abuse shouldn't be turning completely intolerant towards conservative Christians or suggesting they ought to all be suspected of being abusers or looked at with suspicion if they get into public life. Should we look at Muslim families that way and kick the women with headscarves out of positions in Congress because "they want to take over the world"?
So yes, I believe there were hit piece elements worked into the documentary.
Thank you.
I was never home schooled but went to a handful of different Christian schools and eventually back to public school. Very different experiences in each one. One of our family friends went his entire junior high and high school to one of the same Christian schools my family attended. He and his brothers turned out to be men of God and one a great pastor. One of the other Christian schools I went to Falls squarely into the category of extremely troubling. Today, I have friends that homeschool and others who teach specific subjects to high schoolers' classes.
Attacking home schools is dishonest and unwarranted.
Wow. That train of thought went sideways and is pretty scary.
She's delusional and sounds exactly like Michelle Duggar. Anyone who has escaped a cult knows it's a lifetime of unravelling the damage and just when you think you're all good, a memory hits out of the blue. Her attitude is very damaging
There is a book from the 90's that has been rereleased called A Matter of Basic Principles Bill Gothard and His Cultish Teachings.
This book exposes the fallacy of Gothard's doctrine (by Christians), Gothard's complete unwillingness to submit to authority or critique (even though his authoritarian teaching ruined generations of lives and caused skewed understanding of Scripture because he was pretty much never in context), and the all out sliminess of his hide and deflect mechanism.
The book is well written from a Christian perspective. It's super helpful to deconstruct or disentangle Gothardism. The rerelease has a forward By Jinger Duggar Vuolo and multiple well respected Christians.
The forward is written by THE Dr. John Cornish.
The authors Don and Joy Veinot, and Ron Henzel absolutely offer an honest look at the IBLP/ATI from a Christian context with Scripture in context.
YES! John mentioned it to me and I still need to check it out along with Jill and Jinger’s book
That guy's picture in the background is the Daily Wire newscaster Matt Walsh. He calls his watchers his, " sweet baby gang." Fyi
The bearded pic on the background looks like Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire.
Giver. Don’t forget the giver as one of the gifts🙄
I’m so glad I don’t remember all the spiritual gifts 😂
I think that little plushie dude in her background might be matt walsh? Not 100% sure but it looks a lot to me like some kind of matt walsh merch
definitely Matt Walsh
Rant forthcoming... I could hardly keep watching before typing!
I realize she is entitled to her opinion & fortunately for her, apparently nothing traumatic has happened to her or her family as a result of their religion. That's peachy, but I'm about to gouge both of my eardrums with an ice pick, from just her voice alone.
The following is only my opinion, based on my experiences with being raised Southern Baptist, & my parents attending two Bill Gothard seminars way back when it was called IBYC.
Guess why sexual assault victims in general (& especially children) don't come forward? Because they are subjected to shame, fear, threats, disbelief that anything happened, minimization of the abuse, & covering it up if someone actually realizes the truth. Nicely done with the victim blaming, lady. 😡
Her whataboutism argument concerning bad behavior of people in general is the kind of bs I was surrounded with as a child. It doesn't matter if you're IBLP, Christian, Atheist, Satanist, or Nothing, abuse is wrong, wrong, wrong. But. Evangelical Christians spend a great deal of time & effort convincing their children to trust & obey & to avoid evil, separating themselves from the evil world, & yes, promoting an "overactive conscience," regarding one's own daily accountability to God for their sins, blah blah blah.
In the end, when the evil lives under your umbrella or within your church & the call is coming from inside the house, so to speak, & the same person teaching you about Jesus becomes your abuser, the effects are devastating & so difficult to deconstruct, because it's nearly impossible to untangle the abuse from your "religion." It basically defiles your belief system in God, parents, people in the church, yourself, & the ability to trust in general, all in one fell swoop. As a child or someone raised in a strict, sheltered environment, you don't even have the words or concepts to express what happened. Nor do you have the right to tell anyone. And then, if you do muster up the courage to say something later, you are met with these kinds of attitudes, where people are much more concerned about keeping you quiet than dealing with the predator. That's why everything's dealt with "in house," so that appearances are kept up. Even in prison, amongst criminals, they don't tolerate child abusers. Not so, with The Church. Everything is hushed up & the predators continue to abuse in other churches. I know this from my own experience as well as the reported experiences of others. The fact that it happens elsewhere in the "secular world" as well means nothing in particular, other than the world is a grooming-ground of predatory assholes, regardless of religious affiliation. Churches (& churchy cults) are set up to teach children to trust in God, & by default the ones doing the teaching are seen as authority figures, whether they are called pastors, Sunday School teachers, youth directors, or prophets.
There is a major problem, when it's more important to protect the reputation of the church, or the church-attending predator, than whomever was abused. Think about it, if some already known "unchurchy, worldly" child predator or rapist, suddenly showed up at church, I'm sure the congregation would have quite alot to say about it. But there ARE people you already know & trust in your church (or sometimes in your family) that show up every Sunday, who unbeknownst to you (or perhaps known & hidden) are doing exactly the same things. If it gets brought to your attention, you need to do something about it, no matter who it is. If you report within the church hierarchy & nothing is done, please report to authorities outside the church. If you let it go & move on, they will continue to abuse more victims. If the discussion ends with them having a chat with someone in the church & then asking for forgiveness, they will continue to abuse more victims.
Predators hide in plain sight. It's what they do. BTK, the serial killer & rapist was an animal control officer, a cub scout leader, & a church deacon, & got caught because he was toying with the police & used a computer disk that they traced to his church computer. (Then he was mad at investigators for lying to him about a floppy disk being untraceable. 🙄) This horrid excuse for a human considers himself a lifelong church going Christian who occasionally conveniently got taken over by a demon, when it suited his narcissistic, sick evil fantasy. His family was as shocked as the rest of country. No one expects their friend, father, husband, youth director, priest, or "prophet" to be a sexual predator, but sometimes they just are.
Sorry for the tangent... I've been dealing with this shit my entire life & I get fed up. Believe me, I am well aware of my own faults & mistakes. More than once I thought I could no longer live with wearing the shame & guilt from the sins of others, but thankfully I am still here. So yes, a great deal of my trauma came from my religion & at the hands of religious people, including my mother & father. I am accountable for my own "sins," but I refuse to keep being blamed for theirs.
This was such an eloquent “rant” 😂😂 and I’m glad you’re still here and using your voice to validate other victims and promote recovery 🙏🏻❤️
Why can’t I find your comedy tour schedule???
Ok. No matter how well you may know someone at best you might know their movie poster or movie trailer of their life. Only really really close people get to know the movie. And maybe 1-2 know the book of your life. It sounds like she only knew the in the cults movie trailer
Good point.
The bearded guy bulldog thing is Matt Walsh from The Daily Wire.
Yesss that’s what they were saying in the live chat!
Brice: "I don't know what she's talking about."
No, Brice, SHE doesn't know what she's talking about.
Btw, dissonance is a lack of harmony or a clash of 2 ideas/behaviors. I don't believe she is correctly using the word. I am experiencing dissonance between my belief in respecting all people and my reaction to her.
You don't need to respect all people. You can respect their basic human rights, and you can be respectful, but you don't need to respect them. Just like you can respect someone's right to an opinion and still not respect their opinion.
This had the makings of an interesting discussion. Unfortunately, Davey is too enamored with listening to his own voice. I would have loved to hear more, much more, on this subject from Brice. Davey so often interrupted him, and spoke over him, that Brice couldn’t even finish a comment or elaborate on his point. Davey said little that added to the subject; for the most part he reiterated how outraged he was or tried to complete Brice’s thoughts. My first time watching, and I’m sorry I couldn’t listen to much more than half of it. The video would be much improved if Davey spent the majority of his time listening and thinking and considerably less time interjecting and interrupting.
Thank you for putting my sense of discomfort into a coherent thought.
I didn't think what she had to say was all that bad. In fact a few things she said we're just fine. His response could have been something like okay, fair enough. I disagree moving on.
Instead, he goes on long rants about how he knows exactly what she's thinking or feeling when she doesn't say the things that he says she is thinking.
He is determined to paint her as a nutcase or much worse. In very similar fashion to how the supposed IBYC cult paints everyone who degrees disagrees with them as being in rebellion to god and demonic.
He may be free from the cult, but he is still practicing what they preached.
Ya’ll it’s Davey’s podcast. I think it would go without saying that he can and does state how he feels as he feels it. Glad you don’t listen to the whole thing so your whole day wasn’t ruined.
Good grief.
Love watching your videos, but boy sometimes I'm raging at the content, wow this woman my gosh!!!!
Thank you and I’m 1000% on board…it was taking everything in me to not go on a full blown rage/rant/roast 😂😂
I think that bull dog look is Matt Walsh
Yeppp! Figured it out from the live chat
Hey all, did you know that hobby lobby gives millions to this organization?
Lol this is my Aunt. Shes a member of The Restoration Branch of LDS.
Her sister is April Lajune on UA-cam and other social media platforms.
She has no rational. She's just found this information and ran with it because of focus on the family.
I have 9 cousins
Wait she’s Mormon?! Would love to understand a little more feel free to DM me on IG @daveyjax
The background dude looks like Matt Walsh maybe? 🤔 1:10:17
Doors open this way too! Interview for the documentary? 😊👍🏻
Yeah… I find this whole thing unsettling, especially because of the rhetorical tricks and loopy logic combined with music that says “move right along, everything is fine here.”
I will personally take the time to crochet a Bryce if that keeps you from supporting Walsh…
It seems she is only giving the authority principle a caveat is because she's not a man/husband and she's using the behavior exception so she has excuse to take control herself.
The plush is Matt Walsh as a man baby.
Pretty sure that's Matt Walsh in the background
This lady is crazy dude. She got crazy eyes
This was an unfortunate video that really revealed more about Davey than the woman.
She apparently bumped up against tte outside of this movement while Dave and his co-host seem to have been coerced or forced to go through the mill.
She took a take it or leave it approach to the IBYC materials and these men were subjects of the hammermill compliance method. And obviously it was ugly.
I didn't think what she had to say was all that bad. In fact a few things she said we're just fine. His response could have been a simple "obviously her experience with them was not anywhere near as deep or damaging as mine. She did not see or live what i lived."
Instead, he goes on long rants about how he knows exactly what she's thinking or feeling when she doesn't say the things that he says she is thinking. She must be dishonest or is abusing her husband, we all know who is in charge in that house. Right!? You do?
His name calling and attempted character assassination was unnecessary.
He is determined to paint her as a nutcase or much worse. In very similar fashion to how the supposed IBYC cult paints everyone who disagrees with them as being in rebellion to god and demonic.
He may be free from the cults control, but he is still practicing what they preached.
Saddest part is i would venture to say both of these men's continued pain is that they both wanted to be good. As kids they needed the approval of those running what they now see as a serious schit show. And they were put through some heinous stuff for their troubles while trying to measure up in a system run by the inmates instead of competent adults.
Hopefully for them and anyone else trying to recover they find real comfort and healing. I have to believe its still possible.
Wow. That is a diagnosis out of some serious ignorance and lack of compassion and empathy to what these two endured.
I don’t think the human race will ever stop baffling me when it comes to people sharing their trauma and pain.
@thecultchronicles I used to go to Bill Gothard Basic Youth conflicts seminars every year when they were held in Portland, Oregon. My entire church was involved in these meetings and promoting his teachings. We never got beyond the seminars and some related materials the church could take home and study. The basic seminar was probably instrumental in keeping my parents from getting divorced. They learned to understand each other and were able to work together instead of budding heads all the time. His general teaching greatly improved our family relationships. His larger books are still somewhere in my parents' home.
That being said, my experience predates when things went off the rails by a few years.
Up until watching this and other videos on the subject, I had no idea all of the weird painful things that happened with the people who went to live in his commune. They obviously went sideways big time.
As to these two men, their parents failed them. This group obviously abused the authority they had in their lives.
But they are also not all better now that they have escaped and gotten free from that group. He explains how the authorities over them manipulated everything they said and did to meet The Narrative they were pushing against these two teenagers. The short version of the leadership's accusation was either you agree with us and obey or you are bad.
In the video, it appears to me that these two are doing the exact same thing when discussing this woman as was done to them. Because she had a different experience and doesn't wholeheartedly condemn the group as they do, she is either a loonie or she is just plain evil. They seem very comfortable applying the same practices against her as they were applied against themselves. The group sat in judgment against these young men, and now they are passing judgment against her.
I believe everyone myself included not just these two can get stuck and do not know how to get truly healed & free.
Pain unforgiveness and bitterness poison every heart until there can be repentance and forgiveness. I believe that Jesus, through the power of the Holy Spirit, can make us whole healing every heart. My previous comment and this one is not just to these men but to anyone who still finds themselves still slimed by the sins of others against them in the past.
I have found a measure of freedom from the horrors I endured in the past through active repentance and forgiveness by the ministry of the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus. My hope is that others will find the same and even more freedom.
@@leodwinak Glad you have found what works for you. What works for you may not work for everyone else, even if you choose believe it will. As for Mrs. Mclean, she has stepped off the deep end and choose to publicize her disgustingly inaccurate, skewed and bias defensiveness. I believe SHP struck a nerve in her and instead of self reflecting, she decided to become exactly the title of her project. Slanderous. She is not a journalist, she is not a lawyer, she does not know what we all went through and she is speaking with people's abusers and/or enablers of abuse. It is gross what she is doing and I fail to see how it is christian. At. All.
Davey is a comedian at his core so if you are here on this page, then you are accepting that he will throw down hilarious jokes. No one is "safe". lol heck he throws jokes at me and I don't take offense. Levity helps people to move through difficult experiences.
Fundie stock footage! Let me help! Lots of zooming in on knees and hands pulling skirts down to the proper level. Lots of dramatic side-eye while holding a covered dish.
Lots of ducking heads and averting glances when a male authority figure walks in the room
I think her purpose is to vindicate the Dugger Family...Her family friend was probably Jim Bob
She might be being paid to say what she is saying.
The overactive conscience is actually an ocd adherence to religious practices. 5 hour prayer, long, unhealthy, fasts....
Interview this woman’s children to find the truth.
You can sprinkle chocolate chips on a pile of poo, it will still leave a poopy taste in your mouth
What is the name of Holly’s UA-cam channel?
I find she just says the same thing over and over again, but really does not really say anything at all. Its like someone who needs to defend people who are criminals. Like they were go people but ...
Yeah she just talked herself in circles and invalidated a bunch of her own arguments