Supreme Court Strikes Down Affirmative Action in Colleges But Keeps It for Military Academies
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- The conservative majority of the U.S. Supreme Court has declared race-conscious admissions policies at colleges and universities across the country to be unlawful, effectively ending affirmative action in education. The landmark 6-3 ruling was along ideological lines and strikes down decades of precedent, but stops short of banning legacy admissions and allows military academies to continue using affirmative action. Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, the first Black woman to serve on the court, assailed the majority's "let-them-eat-cake obliviousness" to questions of racism and equity. We host a roundtable discussion on the ruling and its impact with Wisdom Cole, national director of the NAACP Youth and College Division; Janelle Wong, director of Asian American studies and a professor of American studies and government and politics at the University of Maryland; and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Maria Hinojosa, founder of Futuro Media and host of the Latino USA podcast.
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They made sure not to touch the legacy admissions. God forbid the rich kids become affected.
Damn right, their parents worked hard.
@@david5544g AND they probably had TWO (as in 1+1=2) parents who raised them. There are way too many children born to unwed parents which is the root cause of much of the poverty and economic inequality in America. To solve a problem effectively, you must attack the source of the problem not the symptom. The failure of years (if not decades) of AA should be
proof of this.
@@david5544g
that sounds like you are in favour of leeching and handouts, instead of pulling yourself by your bootstraps.
@@billcarney829 100 Percent agree with everything you said... Take care Bill.
@@sabin97 In reality it doesn't sound like that at all, you just want to pick a fight.. Go away.
Sure keep it in the military, they want you to die for them
exactly, this is a joke
Attending a military academy is a personal choice. One of the best education's in this country. Highly selective.
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I don't understand excluding the military from this. Race should not be used to accept applicants. Blacks often see the military as their way to succeed even if it means to go up through the ranks. My daughter is a Commander in the Navy, my grand nephew and his wife met at the Air Force Academy. Colin Powell graduated from CCNY - not an Ivy League school.
Noone will be fighting for those positions I guess.
HBCU's for the win. I hope a lot of major talent goes there and makes their own instead of making certain people richer.
God! Wants his people to come together no matter what. 👊🏾
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Exactly, I am a graduate of the OLDEST HBCU, and it's named after British White Abolitionist!!!!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I agree! Most of our geniuses and inventors came from HBCUs. Those people did more to help Americans and humanity than Asians have.
I thought it was illegal to give a bribe for education so how is it that legacy admissions are not bribery 🤦🏾♀️
Of course Legacy Admission stay untouched because in America Money & Nepotism outweigh actual Merit.
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Well legacy admissions is not unconstitutional. Race based admissions is unconstitutional. So there's the difference. I'm not defending legacy admissions. In just telling you that's not the Court's job.
@@trickmuffinful Except that the court repeatedly has found affirmative action to be in alignment with the constitution. Just not this ridiculous court.
What can be expected in US? That court needs to be expanded, we need more common sense in SCOTUS, that Court is biased and miserable, Affirmative Action Programs costs money. In that court the majority of judges are filthy rich, and economically conservative.
This is should absolutely be abolished as well
Didn't Lori Loughlin go to prison for bribing a college admissions employee???
for like 1 week, the rich play by different rules. Indeed, eroding the rule of law
Yeah the one out of 10,000,000 who was caught.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
"prison" it was a country club basically
Yes for two months.
For a bunch of so-called “anti-racists”, the prospect of not being allowed to racially discriminate scares you people to death.
They need term limits, period.
I agree with you. They need term limits for justices who can't define what a woman is.
Btw, you won't be in favour of term limits if the supreme court was dominated by left winged justices. Don't act now that you are neutral
No term limits in the SCOTUS was by design... It slows things down to avoid a radical change in "an opinion of the day" that can no longer be reversed. And keeps one party from squashing another forever in a moment of dominance in the other two branches... "Separation of Powers" , Ever hear of it?
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357exactly 😂
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357same with congress
To make matters worse, AA was created because colleges DID use race and gender as factors to DENY admissions for decades, so that legacy crap is a double slap.
Absolutely! You're 💯 on point!
SO TRUE!!
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
NO MORE "TOKENS".
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
so glad to see this end. Now on to bio men competing in female sports.
Race is a non-issue in this day and age. I do agree that legacy admission should be outlawed, but so should affirmative action based on race. Based on income/wealth? Sure, but not based on race.
A lady told me that it was about time that we judge people on merit, as opposed to giving special treatment to minorities through Affirmative Action. I don't think that she realised that white women, by number, were the greatest beneficiaries of the policy.
🇺🇸 MERIT >> MELANIN 🇺🇸
Whites get everything
I had an older women mention to me about how Harvard, Yale, and the like, have the best and brightest. I had to break it to her that legacy and money come first
@@biancalord488Very true. Think of how mentally slow Bush Jr. (Yale) seems to be.
@@rapidrhinos2254 how about legacy admissions? Asking for a friend…
Interesting that they kept AA for the military because they need black bodies on the battlefield but they don’t want black minds in the classroom. The real issue is what what John Bolton described when discussing Clarence Thomas at Yale, the white students at these universities feel like they “deserve” to be there and other minorities (mainly black students) don’t deserve to occupy the same space. We all just watched the college admissions scandal a few years ago where wealthy white parents cheated and scammed their children into elite schools that they didn’t deserve to be at because they hadn’t earned admission on merit and grades. But yet these students will enroll in the Ivy League and then look down on the black students there. Or the white girl in Texas that sued a few years ago when she didn’t get into UT. Somehow it was an imaginary black person that “took her spot” instead of acknowledging that maybe she actually wasn’t smart enough to get in anyway. Some of the criticism regarding the Asian applicants is that many of them are not well rounded, they have amazing grades but sometimes lack other club activities, leadership, volunteering, etc. They too express resentment towards black students that they think took something that otherwise was suppose to go to them.
ALL of this!
So many people on this video struggling to grasp what AA is and is not, and to come to this conclusion you so eloquently wrote.
It's crazy how Thomas supports MLKs colorblindness and content of character, and how Jackson opposes MLK in favor of racial preferences
“@only1adrienne: Interesting that they kept AA for the military because they need black bodies on the battlefield but they don’t want black minds in the classroom.” Yes, I had the same thought yesterday. Excellent comment.
@priestbokmei1114 so you oppose MLK too? These racists would make MLK roll over in his grave. it's CONTENT OF CHARACTER, NOT skin color
Respectfully I have not seen Asians criticizing blacks as undeserving. If anything pitting minority groups against one another creates less progress for all minorities
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I’m all for nameless applications.
I like it, but I dont think it would work. Applicants would just make sure their resume was full of memberships in racial organizations and race-based courses.
@@dm0065 That’s reaching but sure 😂
And applications that don't ask a person's race or for people to check the box of race. That they won't do.
@thraxx8343 its reaching to think applicants will make sure their resume says stuff like "I was president of the LGBTQ Alliance club and treasure of the Black Lives Matter one"? Ok, I hope you're right.
@@thraxxxsd When I say Ice Hockey, Fencing, and Horseback riding... What race comes to mind?
This issue will be back in the courts before you know it
Nope.
HOPE SO, BUT I DOUBT IT THOUGH.
@@chrisx5127 Harvard is already being sued.
@@Muerice Yup, and good.
It’s amazing how Clarence Thomas benefited from Affirmative Action for YEARS and now he turns his back on the very policy that helped him be where he is today!!!
Doesn't make it right
Why you accused only Clarence Thomas, why not Kentanji Brown? Van Jones? Joy Reid, and Cuomo? Well, because Justice Thomas was appointed as Constitutional Justice, while others are lefty hacks and activists.
He is a horrible and corrupt human being.
Black men make it a point to remind the world time and time again that they are the weakest link.
It was a little different back in the days he applied for college. Today, affirmative action helps African immigrants and students from the Caribbean rather than black Americans from the hood.
This lady Wong is completely silly. The reason why no Asians can testify that they were discriminated against is because colleges do not explain to these students why they weren't accepted, they simply say sorry. The problem, which has been exposed through the facts of this case, is that Asians are penalized for being Asian, while blacks and Latinos are given bonus points for their race. It's clear cut discrimination and anyone who adheres to any basic ethical standards will readily admit so.
As far as military institutions and legacy admissions, the court just left them alone and didn't make any decision one way or the other because there was no plaintiff or lower court rulings for these cases. If someone filed a lawsuit and challenged them, then they would eventually make a ruling. If a black Harvard alumnus feels that his child was discriminated against compared to white alumni, then go and file a lawsuit! The Supreme Court doesn't make a ruling when there is no case.
I think African Americans should start exploring and excering education options in other countries as well as the U.S.
Embarrassing interviews for democracy now - not one person having an opposing view to all the pro affirmative action speakers
It was the right move to remove Affirmative Action.
You can make race invisible to the law, but not the streets or in public life in America 😡
Race is never invisible to the law. Y'all want to pretend that it is, but it's not.🙄
Yes it is, only wealth matters.
Woe is me.....😢
@@FASBLAQUEYou are confused between what is racism (typically has a hate element) versus personal bias (due to a lack or not understanding of another's culture or way of life). What most people learned about other ethnicities come from movies and shows, but these portrayals are not necessarily proper unless we walk in the other person's shoes. So, the existence of racism is due to your belief that it exists rather than look at others beyond skin colors. It starts with you. Let others do what they need to do. But try to control what's within your capacity to do so.
@mua
How can it be when the vast majority of the people judging prosecuting arrest are white & creating the laws are white or want to be for that matter! It’s like something is fried with some of you brains or something you can take two people one white one black same crime same wealth status same judge everything the same and the black person will always get the the worse outcome! It’s either you are just willfully ignorant or you’re just not living in reality as if life isn’t happening everyday on this planet! It’s so easy to talk that shit living in white skin! I always wondered how they hell can someone who has never been thru racism tell someone who lives thru it everyday what they are or are not going it’s really almost like you people are brain dead & crazy! Woe is me! You people think that is you keep saying something someone would care or be offended we are not like y’all get offended because you have white privilege call us what you want victim mentality all that weak silly childish talk like y’all haven’t fully matured or something! Stop creating victims if you don’t want none! Evil people! Your turn is coming!
That’s a society problem not a goverment problem
Now, ALONG with not having the right to ask what race you are, it should ALSO be ILLEGAL to ask for your gender on college admissions applications or any job application!
And age!
No race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, or age. None of it has anything to do with your ability to be successful in college.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5to
But it does hold you a paid spot.
Nor who your parents are. No names on those applications.
@@MysteryFaceX Can’t realistically enforce that one. All the parent has to do is pass off their kids application ID when they gather for tennis on Saturday. Or they’d devise some system of identifying legacies through the essay portion. A code of some kind. That’s how that circle works.
I wish I could even pretend to be surprised anymore.
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so unqualified kids get the place they earned!
We have a "token" on the Supreme Court, put their only because she's a black woman, while there are literally thousands of more qualified people! This nonsense has gone far enough!
Why? It’s surprising good things are actually being done lately.
@@autofocus4556Should the KKK continue to be legal or should we get rid of freedom of association for *private* institutions?
@@GenX-RadRat What does the KKK have to do with anything? The fact is that affirmative action is not fair and is not merit-based. If anything, it's racist in and of itself.
I find it hilarious that liberals want to filter people based on race, but not based on wealth/income, which would be far fairer.
@@GenX-RadRat yes it should be legal just like every other hate group is legal.
I didn't get selected for a special school program and I remember the white professor telling me the other candidates blackness is more important than my Latinoness.
Affirmative Action in a Nutshell.
Its funny that you interview only people who disagree with the court decision
Now, they will go after discrimination in employment.
As they should. Based on ability, not race. My sis had to proof read reports by her blk colleagues bc their writing ability was 7th grade level. She worked for DoD.
@@vallee7966I wish that wasn’t common but it is..
Now a fat old harry man can get a job at Hooters
@@vallee7966and then everyone clapped
@vallee7966 yeah. Because white colleagues don't need proof reading. Just say you and your sister are racist
All college applicants should be assigned a number. No names, no background information on the person at all. They should take a look at test scores and extra curricular activities then make a decision based solely on those 2 factors. Nothing more, nothing less. Problem solved.
@dnomyarakunawik38 I've worked at some of the poorest school districts in California. If the student works hard enough, there are always pathways to success. The problem is that most of these low-income students don't _choose_ to take the pathway to success.
@@Lp78Ch You're delusional. This fake world we live in was constructed to benefit white males. If every non-white male on the planet "worked hard" they would still fail because this society was constructed to benefit white males simply for being white males.
@dnomyarakunawik38 Literally said no background information. A first grader reads better than you.
@dnomyarakunawik38
Why that’s sick, you should want the best student by merit not because of influence or charity.
@dnomyarakunawik38 go to a more affordable school?
So Democracy now was really never about Democracy.
How very racist of her to assume that Black people won’t go into the fields she mentioned, because of the courts ruling on affirmative action. These people think we’re stupid. Why don’t you see the real African Americans complaining about this. It’s only us. The Black Americans. I don’t want any handouts. Grade me on my merits and nothing more. I can complete, I am not oppressed.
Do not serve their military, stop fighting their wars, and stop waiting for them to treat your equally. These ignorant ppl have shown hate towards us for centuries, stop thinking they will change and begin separating ourselves from them! It’s time to let them destroy themselves, by taking us out of the equation.
babyboi3 The black man loves their women, aka Clarence Thomas, they will die before they give them up.
Exactly
How many Asian Americans serve in the USA military?
@@avalimpanot much. They're too smart to sacrifice themselves for white supremacy
@@avalimpa Not that many.
But they sure wants the economic benefits of USA though.
When people are used to having special privileges, they feel oppressed when they are treated equally.
Does that explain white why whites whine when POC manage to get into things that only whites were once allowed into.
Well said
You are talking about blacks, because that’s who that really applies too.
Tell that to rich white people who think their kids DESERVE a place at Harvard because their parent went there, NOT because of their grades. They NEVER want to be treated like everyone else and the Supreme Court says their privilege should continue. DISGUSTING!!!
The REAL bottom line in all our controversial issues in this country IS the bottom line. It is not white , black, brown, yellow, or red; it is the persuit if the color green, and it's goal of power.
Facts, it has MOVED from black and white to green
NOT SO MUCH; IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE.
As a black women I’m glad! It never benefited us. We were better off as a people segregated!
Not gonna lie, it seems to me like the discussion on AA is entirely a duscussion on who gets into the most selective, ivy league schools in the country. California banned AA 25 years ago, college admissions for black and latino students actually went up as a whole afterwards. Only admissions at schools like stanford and berekely decreased, and over time there are almost back to where they were before 98. Also worth noting that typically only the very privalleged amoung us are the ones who go to these schools anyways, despite race. Class should be a priority.
Like is this our measure of racial justice in this country? Who gets access to the ivy league club, who gets the ticket to become the next wallstreet brokers, the political lobbyists, the old money bank executive clubs? The diversity of the bourgeoisie? I think we should be more focused on ensuring all disadvantaged people get a guarantee to a decent life and a higher education. We should start make community college free, end legacy admissions, and seriously improve k-12 education for all. I think these struggles are much more important than the struggle of ensuring harvard law has a more diverse graduating class.
Exactly. The requirements to get into most universities is not difficult anyway
I work for a UC. They have detailed strategies for still admitting based on race. They even sent out an email about it yesterday assuring us they would continue using those strategies that skirt the law and bragging about how they’ve managed to keep doing it.
And fuck Harvard if they are pumping out lawyers and others who go out and fuck everything up.
Absolutely, but haven’t we known this for decades? Then ask yourself why Democrats have made SO LITTLE PROGRESS in educational equality?
It’s not just Harvard Law. It’s a racist attack. Why should qualified students of color be concentrated in state schools and lower tier private colleges? This is what this decision will reinforce, and worse.
And yes, at the same time, we should continue to fight for those for these other demands you mention.
Excellent segment on the Supreme Court decision
Affirmative Action should be barred in military academies also.
Pasty white hands wrote this
While listening to this program, as well as the thousands of other interpretations of the decision, made by the Supreme Court, concerning affirmative action, i am profoundly disappointed in the rhetoric and the lack of faith being promoted! I am more saddened by this lack of faith in the American people than I am by the undoing of the affirmative action. Why do you assume that the institutions that have claimed their dedication to diversity would all of a sudden abandon that commitment? This is the moment where we demonstrate who we truly are. If we continue to push for equality, inclusion, and prosperity of all - without some law, telling us that we must - then wouldn’t this be the ultimate proof that we have grown and evolved past the primitive notions of the role race plays in our lives?
It is time to make a choice, as individuals as a community, and as a society, to either uphold the principles of racial equality we know to be true, or to abandon them for the sake of political duplicity that is being imposed on us. Stop telling horror stories about how we will fall into the depths of racial bias and segregation!!! Start promoting the thought that WE ARE ONE! Affirmative Action played its role in helping our society become more diverse. But it is our collective experience of sharing those classrooms, and work spaces, and neighborhoods that will inspire future generations to get past using “race” as means of defining one’s worth.
It's Funny how Uncle Thomas quoted The Independence document that was written during slavery 😅
Before anyone speaks in defense of Harvard or UNC, it is appropriate they start out with explicit disclaimer on their status as legacy admission or not.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
Why don’t you ask the supreme justices to apply the same principles to the military. Affirmative action is good when it comes to having minorities fighting in the military, and not when it comes to education. This is hypocrisy in this purest form.
Legacy admissions is a different story. They generate revenue, with more money colleges can provide more financial aid, afford better infrastructure, hire better professors and provide a better experience for everyone at the institution.
I am all for merit but it is a small price to pay for the vast majority of the college students whose parents did not make donations
@@larryabecid2819 The small price you speak of is 45% of all admissions at Harvard.
Will not happen
So, private/rich universities can go BACK to the beginning again.
IT IS NOT ABOUT BEING RICH SO MUCH AS IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE.
Thank God it has finally been realized how racist this legislation was!
Especially for Asians.
Clarence Thomas is the replacement for Thurgood Marshall, appointed by George W. Bush. Wow. I never knew how dumb GW Bush is until recently.
As for Clarence Thomas, I think he acts like a man with a lot of guilt, resentment and insecurity swimming around inside his head. Perhaos learning that he was 1 of 12 black students used to fulfill a quota @ Harvard was the culprit. Kind of can’t blame him if he felt unsure or upset, but he COULD choose to look at like this: it wasn’t his skin color that got him INTO Harvard; it was his skin color that got him CONSIDERED for Harvard. Once he was screened, then pooled with other black candidates, it was actually his merit, character, grades, test scores, essay response, etc. that were the TRUE determinants of his acceptance (in my estimation and opinion as a University Professor and Administrator of 15+ years). It’s too bad he seems to be so resentful of AffirmAction because he sure does act out on his frustrations. Sadly, he acts like he wants to be white. Nothing wrong with that except he wants to be a MAGA white moron. And not even a compassionate, empathic or morally sound white guy - he acts like he wants to be a white “supremacist” and just ignore the fact that he is black. I don’t just say this bc he’s a Republican, either. Nor is it bc I’m opposed to his rulings (with which a few I actually agree). It’s the way he handles and treats his position on the court and his attitude toward his own wife, his own behavior, his own political party, and his own mistakes. Thurgood Marshall is probably rolling over in his grave. Sorry GOP, but y’all make the DUMBEST decisions.
It's Funny how Uncle Thomas quoted The Independence document that was written during slavery 😅
WHITE SUPREMACIST IN BLACK FACE. HE IS MARRIED TO A WHITE WOMAN (THE SLAVE MASTERS DAUGHTER).
Please drop the pop psychology and try real arguments.
Finally! No more racial discrimination for college entrance! Good call, but should of included military & legacy.
Thank you, SCOTUS!
I’m surprised this racist law lasted as long as it did.
But keeps it for military academies ..smh
IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE AND THE CULLING OF THE BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY
Of course. Everyone is fair game when it comes time to die furthering the interests of the military industrial complex.
I’m so glad that we are moving closer to Martin Luther king Jr’s dream. I’d much rather be judged on merits, and not because I checked a box based on my skin color or genitalia. love and light to all and happy 4th ✌🏾
Ignorance is bliss in your case huh. ALOT of Black ppl do not get judged on their merits, but rather on their skin color so many do not get it, the only filled the quota that was required by law and with that quota they always chose very best students among blacks wo applied. Might I add that quota was VERY small btw. Now without that law in place, they can go back to NOT looking at Black ppl because of their color, REGARDLESS of their race. You really should get a clue. You would have atleast be judged on your merits if they had a say 6% of Blacks quota to fill. Now without that quota, guess what, they can avoid your ass as long as u r Black, your merits dnt matter coz u are less than human. But ofc this is me assuming u are Black based on ur profile pic. Who really knows what race u are while spouting your ignorance.
Please explain why legacy admissions are different or better than AA? All men are created equal except legacy admissions or military institution admissions?
I am a foreigner who paid nothing for my engineering degree. The catch is that I had to compete with 60,000 kids for 400 spots. Got the 6th place in the general exams of Rio de Janeiro in 1992. It was hard to study 12 hours a day for a year... but it worked out well to me. Today I would never be admitted on the same school, since I am 70% white. Maybe it would've been better, because my plan B would be to migrate the US and join the air force, maybe then I could have accomplished my original plan to become a airspace engineer, but instead I became a software engineer.
How the bleep can they say that Affirmative Action does not discriminate against Asian American students? That is exactly what is is designed and intended to do.
And even though Californians voted out AA in 1996, the UC and CSU campuses will continue to push the AA agenda in other, subtle ways.
Because it’s part of the false narrative/propaganda.
Would you mind explaining exactly how Affirmative Action was designed to discriminate against Asian American students?
What part of the policy excludes Asian American students?
@@menarentlogical I work for the UC system (University of California). The state voted out AA in 1996. So, instead, the geniuses at the UC Regents came up with this "holistic" approach to evaluate the whole student. The SAT requirement has been dropped. Black and Latino students with 2.8 GPA are now admitted to the lower-tier UC campuses like Riverside and Merced. UCLA and Berkeley would be 80% Asian if admissions were purely based on academics and nothing else.
@@menarentlogical I didn’t hear that it was designed to do that but that’s what it inadvertently did. There’s videos all over UA-cam showing the admission rates by race and showing that the mediocre black and brown kids were admitted at a higher rate than the very smart Asian kids.
I would support getting rid of AA in a post-racism world but we are VERY far from there.
Affirmative action creates a sense of unfairness at the point of admissions or job offers, and that is the wrong way to fix the problem. If we want to address the legacy of historical racism, then we should be giving more funding to poorer schools and neighborhoods, to get them up to par from the start.
@@cev12 Yes that needs to happen but it doesn't address the systemic racism that has woven itself into the fabric of the institutions that govern society ie police, universities and banks etc.
@@AcidOllie Neither does affirmative action… instead, it just creates a deep-seated sense of unfairness amongst others in the struggling lower-middle classes. And then you’ve got more racism.
@@cev12 Sorry I wasn't trying to imply AA is/was solving those problems either. The whole thing is a mess which will always get worse before it gets better. 1 step forward 2 steps back it feels like.
@@LewKnowsScience When I was a teenager I used to believe everyone on earth could all live happily together and everyone could get on but as I've grown older I feel more and more like this isn't possible.
They are controlled by wealthy billionaire Sugar Daddies who have them on short leashes. It's about GREED. They do NOT deserve the title, JUSTICE
There is a fear that by providing an education to a "Minority" would result in an astounding revelation to the fearful That given the same opportunities, these "Minorities are just as good as think they are! If "all men are created equal," then why can't all men enjoy the same opportunities.?
Yes, systemic racism exists! It's called affirmative action. There are plenty of state and community colleges that can provide good educations that are happy to accept anyone who qualifies through test scores and grades. And they're a lot less expensive. Double win.
Turn back the clock to 1920s that's what they want
nobody is removing anything: STUDY HARDER
Martin Luther King wasn't a fan of judging a person by the color of their skin ..... How is that not echoed. Until we treat people equal and see each other as equal...... We aren't going to be equal.
Legacy Admission = consideration to college applicants with a parent or other ancestor who's an alumnus.” In Short = WHO YOU KNOW WILL BE THE ONLY ONES " ALLOWED " Admission
Where is the other side of the argument??? 3 people all on the same side.
I still remember the days of Amy moderating Norman Finkelstein vs. Alan Dershowitz. It's kinda sad what's happened to NPR. Bob Boilen is the only bright spot left in this organization.
_Democracy Now!_ is sponsored by Pfizer, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and other globalist elites who aim to destroy America.
What argument? That coloured and Asian people are not worthy of an education?
@@michelekett8450 You're not very smart.
“Commit to diversity no matter what.” 🤮🤮🤮 Hell to the No! Commit to excellence! Commit to perseverance! Commit to merit!
" Who needs the best pilots, best engineers or best surgeons? " " The more you learn, the more you earn."
Asian Americans do academically quiet well. ( Who ever got their act together should get promoted )
No free lunch
Our leaders do not care about us youth. This country gets worse every decade.
Time for a second revolution.
@@cryptbeast3222 I'm ready
@@chi3fgri3fRevolution is for the failed art students like Hitler.
It is a cesspool..
Merit based and financial need base should be factors considered for acceptance .
I'm so happy that affirmative action is on its way out, hopefully completely for ever great job, Supreme Court.
Thank you for the great reporting.
The same ladder that Justice Thomas used to get where he is....he just pulled up.
I testify! My score was not high enough to get into UCLA, but I scored high enough if I was Black or Hispanic by a mile.
Did you get into a college?
That's not how that works so yeah you didn't get in. Affirmative action in college explained, 20 spots 21 applications 20 white candidates and 1 black. The first 19 are white and the last spot are one white guy and one black guy with the same scores. The black kid gets in because because all the other applicants are white. But sometimes the Black kid has the highest score out of all applicants and still doesn't get in because a Karen is making the selections, but he does get it if the government makes her.
You’re lying. The black students didn’t have lower grades who got in. Keep lying to yourself, if it makes you feel better, tho.
@@mytoesarecold5555 uhhh yes they did lol. They score over 150 points less on sats than asians, so they literally had worse marks than everyone else.
@@mytoesarecold5555 liar
Merit only peeps!!! Work hard and if you are not the best, make the best of it.
Meritocracy has ALWAYS been a myth in Amerikkka and you know that, COLONIZER!
Men get an LLC and protect your assets. Pay yourself minimum wage and do all transactions through your business. Give yourself a pay increase when support is no longer required. Spend your money on your kids when you have them only. Do not put it in her hands. Be savage when dealing with a savage.
Us Freedman and Geechie Black Americans are watching everyone else have the conversation around us as we celebrate 🍾 because we literally make up 2% of Affirmative Action. Those that are having the conversation and upset are white women and African immigrants which are the majority of AA recipients. We get zero appreciation for fighting for it like civil rights so that others can benefit like Latinos ect and instead we get nothing but hatred. I even seen Indians use Affirmative Action and pretend to be Black.
We're celebrating because we get 0 benefit from AA as it is not specific to us but we get all the blame, jealousy and hate.
The funny thing is that everyone thought the Gravy train was for us when it really was for all of you. When you see Black Americans still in Havard and Yale i wonder what excuses for the hate will be next...🙄
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS NOT JUST FOR BLACKS IT WAS FOR ALL NON WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST FOR BLACKS. IT ALSO SEEMS THAT ONE OR MORE NON WHITE GROUPS SEEM SLIGHTED BECAUSE OF IT.
0 benefit yet it's the black community who is the most upset about AA being eliminated from college admissions. Right... 😏🤣
Student selection should be based on academic record alone. I’m not sure color blindness is a bad thing but I think those millions for whom secondary education is out of reach financially is the real problem. If you create true equity by making college free and cost of living covered by stipend, as other countries do, then you open up higher education for everyone who is capable and qualifies to attend.
Most people don't like feeling unfairly treated and getting the balance right is hard. College is not just studying - it is learning to work with a more diverse group of people than the student is used to on projects. Most strategy theory recommends diverse teams to increase innovation and reduce group think where people roll in behind one person's idea rather than analysing options and then choosing. In the UK, leaders come from a small amount of elite schools and universities with crony capitalism and favoritism this brings. With a wider range of learning platforms, there should be more choice on different types of courses and fee levels however universities will try to keep barriers to entry and over- price if they can. Not everyone should go to college- there are alternative choices including apprenticeship schemes in financial services and healthcare as well as the trades.
95% of jobs don’t need a college degree. We need to end this idea that everyone should go to college. With today’s technology, anyone can learn almost anything online or at the local library. Only very technical fields like law, medicine, sciences really need to go to college to work in the field. The rest can be learned on the job through internships and apprenticeships. The reason college is so expensive is because 1) we told everyone they had to go to college to succeed and 2) we then handed out student loans. It was the perfect set up for colleges to raise tuition, create a bunch of ridiculous majors, and then admit as many people as they could. College is mostly a money making scam at this point. Most college grads aren’t learning anything useful and are leaving college in debt with no direction in life.
But the actual grade someone might recieve at a school isn't indicative of a grade they would recieve somewhere else. Someone could get all A's at one school, and be a C student in another. Private schools are notorious for inflating grades to make them seem like their students acedemic success is superior to local schools. And there's so many people with the perfect test scores, perfect extra-curriculars, and so many more factors that just choosing from that could mean essentially playing eenie-meanine-miney-mo with someones future because their qualifications match so many students, even if their character is poor.
You're absolutely correct! Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so unqualified kids get the place they earned!
@@NANA-su5ql AA forces teachers to "pass" unqualified AA students that can't keep up! End AA now, it discriminates against more qualified kids!
A majority of Republicans, independents, and even Democrats oppose race-based affirmative action, ie they understand that preference for one is prejudice against others. And they're right. This decision is consistent with the constitution, the Civil Rights Act, and with the American people. Well done.
They didn't expect Asians to speak out and I'm here for it✊🏾
Democracy is Hypocrisy ~Malcolm X.
People don't truly understand what affirmation action
Or how to finish a sentence.
Having different standards based on skin color….. think about this statement folks, think honestly what this could mean. There are other ways to insure fairness other than modifying standards based on skin color. Labeling everything as “white supremacy” is an overreach.
Thanks Ma'am have a good day for all those who watching
It’s weird how these discussions immediately skip over whether it’s true that it is unconstitutional or not and focus on everything but that.
Believe me, being the ONLY asian in your school comes with much bullying. It was not good. When I changed school with much more diversity. It gave me affirmation of existing, and significantly broadened my world view.
Yes, its a shame that they are now closing the doors on diversity with this law
I've been in schools with very high diversity, and every single ethnicity sticks to its own. It's absolutely sick. There's no integration with people befriending various ethnicities--they just hang out with and look out for their own.
Well you better talk to your people because from my experience, the majority of you are locked and "boot step" loyal to WS.
@@Infinitelyinfinite888 believe me I am very disgusted my "my people," although I don't appreciate your tone.
@@kaboyodaniel3630 No, they aren't. The ruling just makes it so race is much less of a factor when considering admissions. Why not have the best and brigthest regardless of who they are? To really end discrimination on the basis of race, we need to end discriminating on the basis of race. All it does is take issues of race out of the equation, and allows colleges and universities to make decisions on more than just one's appearance. I don't see how that in any way could be controversial.
F- affirmative action! It didn't exist anyways, because of my income, my black child did not qualify for any affirmative action. Thank God her grades and tests scores are amazing.
HAVE NO FEAR! PEACE&LUV
The price of a meritocracy is having to endure that you'll be judged on your merits and not on what level of percieved victimhood you can claim. AA may have been well-intended, but giving preferential treatment to less qualified applicants simply because of their race, while turning away more qualified applicants because of their "unwanted" race has always been morally wrong, and it's a wonder that it took so long for the courts to decide that it is in direct contravention of the 14th amendment.
What about legacy admissions, donor children, children of faculty, athletes? Not to mention that many of these colleges do AA based on gender for their majors and to balance out the incoming class. Why aren’t people talking about those? They play a much bigger part of AA.
There is no meritocracy in capitalism. This just means now, poor people and people of colour have less opportunity to get in. And yes, having other issues that make life harder, equally makes academic achievement harder. Those students aren’t dumber, just less opportunities.
Janelle and Maria are saying what we need to hear. Assess, organize, and keep it pushing.
The Black community plan is to separate. Nurture, build community, police community, educate and heal. There will be no voting for either party.
The black community plan for 2024 (election year) is burn loot and riot. It's being organized by white Marxist who are going to use the black community under the guise of social justice to push their agenda.
America is a very sad country.
A level playing field, where ones race is NOT a factor.
HOW DARE THEY?!
THE INJUSTICE!
In same logic as the journalist’s saying, the NBA should provide quota for white and Asian players too, otherwise it’s not sustainable!
There are not enough Asians in the NFL. We need 30 Dat Nguyens.
Not everyone wants concussions and broken bones.
Some of the best business leaders I’ve worked with are graduates of the Naval Academy and West Point. Once you serve your 5 payback years you have no debt, are a mid-level manager, made $80-100k per year during your payback period and have one of the best leadership experiences from one of the best liberal arts colleges in the country. Go to Annapolis or West Point! The best.
You need a high school diploma. Public schools... Enough said. D Shane..
I just want peace and to be with MY OWN people!!! Let the racists rott in hell!!!!
Finally racism in the form of affirmative action is declared unconstitutional! I just hope legacy admissions and military academies are soon changed also.
As a non-American, the concept of University legacy admissions is completely bizarre and would be a National scandal if it was ever found to be in place either formally or informally in my country
but out of our business if you don't understand our history.
In the US, greed always trumps grades.
The message seems to be, yes, we can look at a person's race as historically has been done since the birth of the nation and make decisions based on their race when it comes to denying them their rights but not when it comes to giving them the opportunities of advancement that historically have been denied to them.
Exactly
Two wrongs don’t make a right, it just makes people think of it as a zero sum game.
@@revolution94ful The class, completely aware of themselves as such, which benefits most from our societies riches, have deliberately angled to make it a zero sum game. From the foxhunts of the english elites to the cattle-guides of the midwest... the powerful favor their children by suppressing the possibilities and birthright of all other children. By the simple mechanism of power-worship... a mode of thought for every child; thus propagated by the infantilization of the entire citizenry... grants passover to these cultural throwbacks.
That's the thing "historically" maybe, however we are all equal and should be meritocraticly treated in advancement opportunities. Move ahead.
@@colorocko1 You mean, [ignore the past] ...because it suits you.
I speak as an 87 year old minority person who experienced racism in the past. I disagreed with affirmative action because it was excluding better candidates like Asians. If discrimination was bad for my people it is bad all around.
It wasn't Asians who filed the complaint. It was a guy called Edward Blum. Asians benefitted from affirmative action
Thank goodness the racism of Harvard has finally come to an end.
We need to get out of their system… period!
WE NEED DO FOR SELF AS NON WHITES JUST TO MAKE IT IN THIS COUNTRY. IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE.
please do
Two points: 1) This decision does not close the doors of academia to minorities (or people of color) and 2) The discussion here is not balanced. Not a single person who agrees with the decision is on the panel here. All three panelists have the same opinion.
What is wrong with meritocracy? Are you guys saying African Americans and Hispanic kids cannot match the intellectual vigor of the white, Chinese, and Indian students? If so, I disagree vehemently.
Why would it be ok for military? Shouldn't the government be the one particular held to this ruling? If it's not ok for other schools it can't be ok for the government
Education Full Stop Is Essential For Everyone!!!💯
Court ended discrimination based upon race.
A remedy of past discrimination is NOT discrimination, it's corrective
@@teresam5199 Purportedly that is what black people believed and white people said at the time AA was enacted in this country. However, it has always mystified me that white people believe that 50 years of affirmative action for black people is a remedy for the 250 years of slavery then another 100 of neoslavery and Jim Crow; how 5 Civil Rights Acts can correct the some 450,000 slave codes that were enacted. And that's just what AA was to remediate with resepct to black people. AA also corrects the treatment of Latinos and the Indigenous (did the plaintiffs as well as the pundits covering this story forget that AA includes Native Americans) in this country. But I'm black and don't understand white math.
Nothing will change. If Asians think more of them will get into Harvard now, they are gonna be sorely disappointed.
What about college sports? Should we just bump up more Asians into basketball?? Cuz playing college sports it’s a huge access to societal power (as in, huge on your resume, the network you build, and not to mention LEGACY ADMISSION FOR YOUR DESCENDANTS OOOOO). Or should sports be based solely on ability??
Sports should be based on ability as well, if you play well, doesnt matter which race you are, you should be admitted
@@suoercell lol of course I agree with you. Maybe I didn’t make my sarcasm clear, sorry.
It's very unfortunate that African American men and women have to put their lives on the line in the military just to be treated with equality and equity in America 2023...
I agree with the supreme court.