I don't understand excluding the military from this. Race should not be used to accept applicants. Blacks often see the military as their way to succeed even if it means to go up through the ranks. My daughter is a Commander in the Navy, my grand nephew and his wife met at the Air Force Academy. Colin Powell graduated from CCNY - not an Ivy League school.
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Well legacy admissions is not unconstitutional. Race based admissions is unconstitutional. So there's the difference. I'm not defending legacy admissions. In just telling you that's not the Court's job.
@@trickmuffinful Except that the court repeatedly has found affirmative action to be in alignment with the constitution. Just not this ridiculous court.
What can be expected in US? That court needs to be expanded, we need more common sense in SCOTUS, that Court is biased and miserable, Affirmative Action Programs costs money. In that court the majority of judges are filthy rich, and economically conservative.
@@joec5544g AND they probably had TWO (as in 1+1=2) parents who raised them. There are way too many children born to unwed parents which is the root cause of much of the poverty and economic inequality in America. To solve a problem effectively, you must attack the source of the problem not the symptom. The failure of years (if not decades) of AA should be proof of this.
A lady told me that it was about time that we judge people on merit, as opposed to giving special treatment to minorities through Affirmative Action. I don't think that she realised that white women, by number, were the greatest beneficiaries of the policy.
I had an older women mention to me about how Harvard, Yale, and the like, have the best and brightest. I had to break it to her that legacy and money come first
To make matters worse, AA was created because colleges DID use race and gender as factors to DENY admissions for decades, so that legacy crap is a double slap.
IT'S ABOUT TIME! NO MORE "TOKENS". Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
Race is a non-issue in this day and age. I do agree that legacy admission should be outlawed, but so should affirmative action based on race. Based on income/wealth? Sure, but not based on race.
Interesting that they kept AA for the military because they need black bodies on the battlefield but they don’t want black minds in the classroom. The real issue is what what John Bolton described when discussing Clarence Thomas at Yale, the white students at these universities feel like they “deserve” to be there and other minorities (mainly black students) don’t deserve to occupy the same space. We all just watched the college admissions scandal a few years ago where wealthy white parents cheated and scammed their children into elite schools that they didn’t deserve to be at because they hadn’t earned admission on merit and grades. But yet these students will enroll in the Ivy League and then look down on the black students there. Or the white girl in Texas that sued a few years ago when she didn’t get into UT. Somehow it was an imaginary black person that “took her spot” instead of acknowledging that maybe she actually wasn’t smart enough to get in anyway. Some of the criticism regarding the Asian applicants is that many of them are not well rounded, they have amazing grades but sometimes lack other club activities, leadership, volunteering, etc. They too express resentment towards black students that they think took something that otherwise was suppose to go to them.
“@only1adrienne: Interesting that they kept AA for the military because they need black bodies on the battlefield but they don’t want black minds in the classroom.” Yes, I had the same thought yesterday. Excellent comment.
Respectfully I have not seen Asians criticizing blacks as undeserving. If anything pitting minority groups against one another creates less progress for all minorities
IT'S ABOUT TIME! Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
It’s amazing how Clarence Thomas benefited from Affirmative Action for YEARS and now he turns his back on the very policy that helped him be where he is today!!!
Why you accused only Clarence Thomas, why not Kentanji Brown? Van Jones? Joy Reid, and Cuomo? Well, because Justice Thomas was appointed as Constitutional Justice, while others are lefty hacks and activists.
It was a little different back in the days he applied for college. Today, affirmative action helps African immigrants and students from the Caribbean rather than black Americans from the hood.
I like it, but I dont think it would work. Applicants would just make sure their resume was full of memberships in racial organizations and race-based courses.
@thraxx8343 its reaching to think applicants will make sure their resume says stuff like "I was president of the LGBTQ Alliance club and treasure of the Black Lives Matter one"? Ok, I hope you're right.
Now, ALONG with not having the right to ask what race you are, it should ALSO be ILLEGAL to ask for your gender on college admissions applications or any job application!
@@MysteryFaceX Can’t realistically enforce that one. All the parent has to do is pass off their kids application ID when they gather for tennis on Saturday. Or they’d devise some system of identifying legacies through the essay portion. A code of some kind. That’s how that circle works.
I didn't get selected for a special school program and I remember the white professor telling me the other candidates blackness is more important than my Latinoness.
How very racist of her to assume that Black people won’t go into the fields she mentioned, because of the courts ruling on affirmative action. These people think we’re stupid. Why don’t you see the real African Americans complaining about this. It’s only us. The Black Americans. I don’t want any handouts. Grade me on my merits and nothing more. I can complete, I am not oppressed.
All college applicants should be assigned a number. No names, no background information on the person at all. They should take a look at test scores and extra curricular activities then make a decision based solely on those 2 factors. Nothing more, nothing less. Problem solved.
@dnomyarakunawik38 I've worked at some of the poorest school districts in California. If the student works hard enough, there are always pathways to success. The problem is that most of these low-income students don't _choose_ to take the pathway to success.
@@Lp78Ch You're delusional. This fake world we live in was constructed to benefit white males. If every non-white male on the planet "worked hard" they would still fail because this society was constructed to benefit white males simply for being white males.
@@FASBLAQUEYou are confused between what is racism (typically has a hate element) versus personal bias (due to a lack or not understanding of another's culture or way of life). What most people learned about other ethnicities come from movies and shows, but these portrayals are not necessarily proper unless we walk in the other person's shoes. So, the existence of racism is due to your belief that it exists rather than look at others beyond skin colors. It starts with you. Let others do what they need to do. But try to control what's within your capacity to do so.
@mua How can it be when the vast majority of the people judging prosecuting arrest are white & creating the laws are white or want to be for that matter! It’s like something is fried with some of you brains or something you can take two people one white one black same crime same wealth status same judge everything the same and the black person will always get the the worse outcome! It’s either you are just willfully ignorant or you’re just not living in reality as if life isn’t happening everyday on this planet! It’s so easy to talk that shit living in white skin! I always wondered how they hell can someone who has never been thru racism tell someone who lives thru it everyday what they are or are not going it’s really almost like you people are brain dead & crazy! Woe is me! You people think that is you keep saying something someone would care or be offended we are not like y’all get offended because you have white privilege call us what you want victim mentality all that weak silly childish talk like y’all haven’t fully matured or something! Stop creating victims if you don’t want none! Evil people! Your turn is coming!
Not gonna lie, it seems to me like the discussion on AA is entirely a duscussion on who gets into the most selective, ivy league schools in the country. California banned AA 25 years ago, college admissions for black and latino students actually went up as a whole afterwards. Only admissions at schools like stanford and berekely decreased, and over time there are almost back to where they were before 98. Also worth noting that typically only the very privalleged amoung us are the ones who go to these schools anyways, despite race. Class should be a priority. Like is this our measure of racial justice in this country? Who gets access to the ivy league club, who gets the ticket to become the next wallstreet brokers, the political lobbyists, the old money bank executive clubs? The diversity of the bourgeoisie? I think we should be more focused on ensuring all disadvantaged people get a guarantee to a decent life and a higher education. We should start make community college free, end legacy admissions, and seriously improve k-12 education for all. I think these struggles are much more important than the struggle of ensuring harvard law has a more diverse graduating class.
I work for a UC. They have detailed strategies for still admitting based on race. They even sent out an email about it yesterday assuring us they would continue using those strategies that skirt the law and bragging about how they’ve managed to keep doing it.
It’s not just Harvard Law. It’s a racist attack. Why should qualified students of color be concentrated in state schools and lower tier private colleges? This is what this decision will reinforce, and worse. And yes, at the same time, we should continue to fight for those for these other demands you mention.
I agree with this ruling because it was quite literally a racist promotion. It was all black peoples acceptance with lower grades and scores. I grew up in St. Augustine, Florida when it was a bit smaller and went to the exact same Elementary, Middle and High schools as the black community. I went to Webster Elementary and Murray Middle Schools, which were directly in the black community, and all of those students were graduated to St. Augustine High School. And, I grew up in a mobile home community, so why were black students given better opportunities? They were honestly given better treatment based on the sole factor of being black. That is the definition of racism. I understand the concept of attaining an educational balance between races, but it shouldn’t create an unfair advantage. Which it literally did in my personal case. There were even black only scholarships then. You cannot fight racism with more racism, that is synonymous with fighting fire with fire. You just get a bigger fire…or more racism.
No term limits in the SCOTUS was by design... It slows things down to avoid a radical change in "an opinion of the day" that can no longer be reversed. And keeps one party from squashing another forever in a moment of dominance in the other two branches... "Separation of Powers" , Ever hear of it?
Do not serve their military, stop fighting their wars, and stop waiting for them to treat your equally. These ignorant ppl have shown hate towards us for centuries, stop thinking they will change and begin separating ourselves from them! It’s time to let them destroy themselves, by taking us out of the equation.
As they should. Based on ability, not race. My sis had to proof read reports by her blk colleagues bc their writing ability was 7th grade level. She worked for DoD.
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Before anyone speaks in defense of Harvard or UNC, it is appropriate they start out with explicit disclaimer on their status as legacy admission or not.
IT'S ABOUT TIME! Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
Why don’t you ask the supreme justices to apply the same principles to the military. Affirmative action is good when it comes to having minorities fighting in the military, and not when it comes to education. This is hypocrisy in this purest form.
Legacy admissions is a different story. They generate revenue, with more money colleges can provide more financial aid, afford better infrastructure, hire better professors and provide a better experience for everyone at the institution. I am all for merit but it is a small price to pay for the vast majority of the college students whose parents did not make donations
This lady Wong is completely silly. The reason why no Asians can testify that they were discriminated against is because colleges do not explain to these students why they weren't accepted, they simply say sorry. The problem, which has been exposed through the facts of this case, is that Asians are penalized for being Asian, while blacks and Latinos are given bonus points for their race. It's clear cut discrimination and anyone who adheres to any basic ethical standards will readily admit so. As far as military institutions and legacy admissions, the court just left them alone and didn't make any decision one way or the other because there was no plaintiff or lower court rulings for these cases. If someone filed a lawsuit and challenged them, then they would eventually make a ruling. If a black Harvard alumnus feels that his child was discriminated against compared to white alumni, then go and file a lawsuit! The Supreme Court doesn't make a ruling when there is no case.
Believe me, being the ONLY asian in your school comes with much bullying. It was not good. When I changed school with much more diversity. It gave me affirmation of existing, and significantly broadened my world view.
I've been in schools with very high diversity, and every single ethnicity sticks to its own. It's absolutely sick. There's no integration with people befriending various ethnicities--they just hang out with and look out for their own.
@@kaboyodaniel3630 No, they aren't. The ruling just makes it so race is much less of a factor when considering admissions. Why not have the best and brigthest regardless of who they are? To really end discrimination on the basis of race, we need to end discriminating on the basis of race. All it does is take issues of race out of the equation, and allows colleges and universities to make decisions on more than just one's appearance. I don't see how that in any way could be controversial.
F- affirmative action! It didn't exist anyways, because of my income, my black child did not qualify for any affirmative action. Thank God her grades and tests scores are amazing.
Tell that to rich white people who think their kids DESERVE a place at Harvard because their parent went there, NOT because of their grades. They NEVER want to be treated like everyone else and the Supreme Court says their privilege should continue. DISGUSTING!!!
Student selection should be based on academic record alone. I’m not sure color blindness is a bad thing but I think those millions for whom secondary education is out of reach financially is the real problem. If you create true equity by making college free and cost of living covered by stipend, as other countries do, then you open up higher education for everyone who is capable and qualifies to attend.
Most people don't like feeling unfairly treated and getting the balance right is hard. College is not just studying - it is learning to work with a more diverse group of people than the student is used to on projects. Most strategy theory recommends diverse teams to increase innovation and reduce group think where people roll in behind one person's idea rather than analysing options and then choosing. In the UK, leaders come from a small amount of elite schools and universities with crony capitalism and favoritism this brings. With a wider range of learning platforms, there should be more choice on different types of courses and fee levels however universities will try to keep barriers to entry and over- price if they can. Not everyone should go to college- there are alternative choices including apprenticeship schemes in financial services and healthcare as well as the trades.
95% of jobs don’t need a college degree. We need to end this idea that everyone should go to college. With today’s technology, anyone can learn almost anything online or at the local library. Only very technical fields like law, medicine, sciences really need to go to college to work in the field. The rest can be learned on the job through internships and apprenticeships. The reason college is so expensive is because 1) we told everyone they had to go to college to succeed and 2) we then handed out student loans. It was the perfect set up for colleges to raise tuition, create a bunch of ridiculous majors, and then admit as many people as they could. College is mostly a money making scam at this point. Most college grads aren’t learning anything useful and are leaving college in debt with no direction in life.
But the actual grade someone might recieve at a school isn't indicative of a grade they would recieve somewhere else. Someone could get all A's at one school, and be a C student in another. Private schools are notorious for inflating grades to make them seem like their students acedemic success is superior to local schools. And there's so many people with the perfect test scores, perfect extra-curriculars, and so many more factors that just choosing from that could mean essentially playing eenie-meanine-miney-mo with someones future because their qualifications match so many students, even if their character is poor.
You're absolutely correct! Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so unqualified kids get the place they earned!
I’m so glad that we are moving closer to Martin Luther king Jr’s dream. I’d much rather be judged on merits, and not because I checked a box based on my skin color or genitalia. love and light to all and happy 4th ✌🏾
Ignorance is bliss in your case huh. ALOT of Black ppl do not get judged on their merits, but rather on their skin color so many do not get it, the only filled the quota that was required by law and with that quota they always chose very best students among blacks wo applied. Might I add that quota was VERY small btw. Now without that law in place, they can go back to NOT looking at Black ppl because of their color, REGARDLESS of their race. You really should get a clue. You would have atleast be judged on your merits if they had a say 6% of Blacks quota to fill. Now without that quota, guess what, they can avoid your ass as long as u r Black, your merits dnt matter coz u are less than human. But ofc this is me assuming u are Black based on ur profile pic. Who really knows what race u are while spouting your ignorance.
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so unqualified kids get the place they earned! We have a "token" on the Supreme Court, put their only because she's a black woman, while there are literally thousands of more qualified people! This nonsense has gone far enough!
@@RadRat1978 What does the KKK have to do with anything? The fact is that affirmative action is not fair and is not merit-based. If anything, it's racist in and of itself. I find it hilarious that liberals want to filter people based on race, but not based on wealth/income, which would be far fairer.
No one is stopping blacks or anyone else to go to college. FYI, these "top" colleges are too expeand over-rated. You're better off going to state college.
Diversity means quota. The irony is Black students spend more time playing basketball, football, baseball, tennis, and golf because those sports make better money than going to college and become an average wage earner. Black students also spend more time on arts so they can become actors, singers, song writers, comedians, etc., also for making more money than college graduates. It's only when those tracks didn't pan out, will they try the fall back plan (go to college). Since they already spent time on sports, and art, they didn't spend enough time on science and math. Therefore they need affirmative action to get them into the top tier schools.
Clarence Thomas is the replacement for Thurgood Marshall, appointed by George W. Bush. Wow. I never knew how dumb GW Bush is until recently. As for Clarence Thomas, I think he acts like a man with a lot of guilt, resentment and insecurity swimming around inside his head. Perhaos learning that he was 1 of 12 black students used to fulfill a quota @ Harvard was the culprit. Kind of can’t blame him if he felt unsure or upset, but he COULD choose to look at like this: it wasn’t his skin color that got him INTO Harvard; it was his skin color that got him CONSIDERED for Harvard. Once he was screened, then pooled with other black candidates, it was actually his merit, character, grades, test scores, essay response, etc. that were the TRUE determinants of his acceptance (in my estimation and opinion as a University Professor and Administrator of 15+ years). It’s too bad he seems to be so resentful of AffirmAction because he sure does act out on his frustrations. Sadly, he acts like he wants to be white. Nothing wrong with that except he wants to be a MAGA white moron. And not even a compassionate, empathic or morally sound white guy - he acts like he wants to be a white “supremacist” and just ignore the fact that he is black. I don’t just say this bc he’s a Republican, either. Nor is it bc I’m opposed to his rulings (with which a few I actually agree). It’s the way he handles and treats his position on the court and his attitude toward his own wife, his own behavior, his own political party, and his own mistakes. Thurgood Marshall is probably rolling over in his grave. Sorry GOP, but y’all make the DUMBEST decisions.
Two points: 1) This decision does not close the doors of academia to minorities (or people of color) and 2) The discussion here is not balanced. Not a single person who agrees with the decision is on the panel here. All three panelists have the same opinion. What is wrong with meritocracy? Are you guys saying African Americans and Hispanic kids cannot match the intellectual vigor of the white, Chinese, and Indian students? If so, I disagree vehemently.
The message seems to be, yes, we can look at a person's race as historically has been done since the birth of the nation and make decisions based on their race when it comes to denying them their rights but not when it comes to giving them the opportunities of advancement that historically have been denied to them.
@@revolution94ful The class, completely aware of themselves as such, which benefits most from our societies riches, have deliberately angled to make it a zero sum game. From the foxhunts of the english elites to the cattle-guides of the midwest... the powerful favor their children by suppressing the possibilities and birthright of all other children. By the simple mechanism of power-worship... a mode of thought for every child; thus propagated by the infantilization of the entire citizenry... grants passover to these cultural throwbacks.
Affirmative action creates a sense of unfairness at the point of admissions or job offers, and that is the wrong way to fix the problem. If we want to address the legacy of historical racism, then we should be giving more funding to poorer schools and neighborhoods, to get them up to par from the start.
@@cev12 Yes that needs to happen but it doesn't address the systemic racism that has woven itself into the fabric of the institutions that govern society ie police, universities and banks etc.
@@AcidOllie Neither does affirmative action… instead, it just creates a deep-seated sense of unfairness amongst others in the struggling lower-middle classes. And then you’ve got more racism.
@@cev12 Sorry I wasn't trying to imply AA is/was solving those problems either. The whole thing is a mess which will always get worse before it gets better. 1 step forward 2 steps back it feels like.
@@LewKnowsScience When I was a teenager I used to believe everyone on earth could all live happily together and everyone could get on but as I've grown older I feel more and more like this isn't possible.
That the Supreme Court makes an exception for military academies is no coincidence. Integration is an important feature of the cohesion (hence effectiveness) of the US military machine.
It's also making the military the only escape for a society becoming increasingly hostile and backwards everywhere else. Notice how the military recently used a drag queen in recruitment videos as hostility towards queer people became more widespread? Not a coincidence. A solution for poor recruitment rates for years. Come to the military where social cohesion and some level of protection against discrimination is guaranteed.
This carve out for the military really got me as well. I guess I would have to read the decision to see how they legally support allowing diversity policies in one area but not in another.
There was no exception for the military academies - the court simply decided the academies were outside the scope of the decision. They decided not to decide. The court noted that no service academy was a party to the case, that service academies are not universities, and the application of AA to service academies had not yet been addressed by the lower courts. It is almost certain that given the current decision, a future case will be brought against some of the academies.
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Yes, systemic racism exists! It's called affirmative action. There are plenty of state and community colleges that can provide good educations that are happy to accept anyone who qualifies through test scores and grades. And they're a lot less expensive. Double win.
The REAL bottom line in all our controversial issues in this country IS the bottom line. It is not white , black, brown, yellow, or red; it is the persuit if the color green, and it's goal of power.
@@teresam5199 Purportedly that is what black people believed and white people said at the time AA was enacted in this country. However, it has always mystified me that white people believe that 50 years of affirmative action for black people is a remedy for the 250 years of slavery then another 100 of neoslavery and Jim Crow; how 5 Civil Rights Acts can correct the some 450,000 slave codes that were enacted. And that's just what AA was to remediate with resepct to black people. AA also corrects the treatment of Latinos and the Indigenous (did the plaintiffs as well as the pundits covering this story forget that AA includes Native Americans) in this country. But I'm black and don't understand white math.
How the bleep can they say that Affirmative Action does not discriminate against Asian American students? That is exactly what is is designed and intended to do.
Would you mind explaining exactly how Affirmative Action was designed to discriminate against Asian American students? What part of the policy excludes Asian American students?
@@menarentlogical I work for the UC system (University of California). The state voted out AA in 1996. So, instead, the geniuses at the UC Regents came up with this "holistic" approach to evaluate the whole student. The SAT requirement has been dropped. Black and Latino students with 2.8 GPA are now admitted to the lower-tier UC campuses like Riverside and Merced. UCLA and Berkeley would be 80% Asian if admissions were purely based on academics and nothing else.
@@menarentlogical I didn’t hear that it was designed to do that but that’s what it inadvertently did. There’s videos all over UA-cam showing the admission rates by race and showing that the mediocre black and brown kids were admitted at a higher rate than the very smart Asian kids.
Please explain why legacy admissions are different or better than AA? All men are created equal except legacy admissions or military institution admissions?
That's not how that works so yeah you didn't get in. Affirmative action in college explained, 20 spots 21 applications 20 white candidates and 1 black. The first 19 are white and the last spot are one white guy and one black guy with the same scores. The black kid gets in because because all the other applicants are white. But sometimes the Black kid has the highest score out of all applicants and still doesn't get in because a Karen is making the selections, but he does get it if the government makes her.
John Roberts, born into a comfortable life of White privilege--and educated at private schools prior to his entry into the rarified world of Harvard--has not evolved beyond his privileged White boy's understanding of society and the role of race in society. In this regard he remains provincial in his outlook, a worldview shaped by a sheltered life.
What about Justice Clarence Thomas who grew up in the segregated south (under actual oppression and legally enforced inequality) yet agrees with “the privileged white boy”? Your using as hominem attacks against people and weaponizing superficial identity characteristics to devalue their argument, when you should be evaluating the integrity and logic of their ideological position concerning Affirmative Action. Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Students who are not qualified academically or who are not the best fit for a college are not entitled to attend. There is nothing wrong with going to community college for a year or two to improve your grades or attending a less rigorous university and taking remedial classes. If you want to improve the trajectory of disadvantaged students, start at the elementary level by allowing school choice and improving educational programs so that kids will be prepared for the future instead of being stuck trying to play catch up learning basic Algebra in college while their peers are studying Calculus.
What about Justice Clarence Thomas who grew up in the segregated south (under actual oppression and legally enforced inequality) yet agrees with “the privileged white boy”? Your using as hominem attacks against people and weaponizing superficial identity characteristics to devalue their argument, when you should be evaluating the integrity and logic of their ideological position concerning Affirmative Action. Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Students who are not qualified academically or who are not the best fit for a college are not entitled to attend. There is nothing wrong with going to community college for a year or two to improve your grades or attending a less rigorous university and taking remedial classes. If you want to improve the trajectory of disadvantaged students, start at the elementary level by allowing school choice and improving educational programs so that kids will be prepared for the future instead of being stuck trying to play catch up learning basic Algebra in college while their peers are studying Calculus.
What about Justice Clarence Thomas who grew up in the segregated south (under actual oppression and legally enforced inequality) yet agrees with “the privileged white boy”? Your using as hominem attacks against people and weaponizing superficial identity characteristics to devalue their argument, when you should be evaluating the integrity and logic of their ideological position concerning Affirmative Action. Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Students who are not qualified academically or who are not the best fit for a college are not entitled to attend. There is nothing wrong with going to community college for a year or two to improve your grades or attending a less rigorous university and taking remedial classes. If you want to improve the trajectory of disadvantaged students, start at the elementary level by allowing school choice and improving educational programs so that kids will be prepared for the future instead of being stuck trying to play catch up learning basic Algebra in college while their peers are studying Calculus.
Where is the other side of the argument??? 3 people all on the same side. I still remember the days of Amy moderating Norman Finkelstein vs. Alan Dershowitz. It's kinda sad what's happened to NPR. Bob Boilen is the only bright spot left in this organization.
What about college sports? Should we just bump up more Asians into basketball?? Cuz playing college sports it’s a huge access to societal power (as in, huge on your resume, the network you build, and not to mention LEGACY ADMISSION FOR YOUR DESCENDANTS OOOOO). Or should sports be based solely on ability??
" Who needs the best pilots, best engineers or best surgeons? " " The more you learn, the more you earn." Asian Americans do academically quiet well. ( Who ever got their act together should get promoted ) No free lunch
While listening to this program, as well as the thousands of other interpretations of the decision, made by the Supreme Court, concerning affirmative action, i am profoundly disappointed in the rhetoric and the lack of faith being promoted! I am more saddened by this lack of faith in the American people than I am by the undoing of the affirmative action. Why do you assume that the institutions that have claimed their dedication to diversity would all of a sudden abandon that commitment? This is the moment where we demonstrate who we truly are. If we continue to push for equality, inclusion, and prosperity of all - without some law, telling us that we must - then wouldn’t this be the ultimate proof that we have grown and evolved past the primitive notions of the role race plays in our lives? It is time to make a choice, as individuals as a community, and as a society, to either uphold the principles of racial equality we know to be true, or to abandon them for the sake of political duplicity that is being imposed on us. Stop telling horror stories about how we will fall into the depths of racial bias and segregation!!! Start promoting the thought that WE ARE ONE! Affirmative Action played its role in helping our society become more diverse. But it is our collective experience of sharing those classrooms, and work spaces, and neighborhoods that will inspire future generations to get past using “race” as means of defining one’s worth.
liberals have actually been the ones fighting to end this for decades. but the left becamse so focused on race for everything that they lost actual liberals. but actual liberals still on the left want it gone too. 65% of the population wanted this to end. so unless you are saying 65% of the population are right wingers....
Woke Turds Woke Turds Of America. Look Whats Going On. According to the model of propaganda developed by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky, “The ‘societal purpose’ of the media is to inculcate and defend the economic, social, and political agenda of privileged groups that dominate the domestic society and the state.” The mass media are controlled by those who are able to pay for access to it. This situation is described by Edward Herman’s “power law of access” and the “inverse power law of truthfulness,” which can be summarized as the greater the economic and political power, the easier it is to gain access to the media and the more freedom is granted to tell complete lies. These pathetic mainstream media mud channels are doing that very same granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.
There is an alternative to lower your tuition costs. I went to a community college and then a 4-year University. It only took me less than 2 years to graduate with a B.A. in CJ. I think there is a misconception on community colleges, it doesn’t mean you aren’t intelligent or considered “poor” at all. I graduated with a high gpa and with summa cum laude. It’s doable for sure with a lot of hard work. Also, apply for as many scholarships!
lol I doubt you got that much credit for your community college work from a university. I used to be on the board of a community college and there was not a university in the country who would give you that much credit. Lastly this has nothing to do with scholarships but actual access to the college in the first place for POC
@@drwatsonca6945 I had enough credits transferred to Rutgers University…I’m not sure how they do things at your community college, maybe instead of having that victim mentality things would go better. I heard so many POC complain that they wouldn’t be accepted but yet there they were and some didn’t even take it seriously and took it for granted. Lastly, what most Universities do is pile up all of these elective courses. I could have graduated a bit sooner if it weren’t for electives. So, yes I did work hard and didn’t have anything handed to me. But as someone who claims to have worked in the board of a community college should know better.
There is a fear that by providing an education to a "Minority" would result in an astounding revelation to the fearful That given the same opportunities, these "Minorities are just as good as think they are! If "all men are created equal," then why can't all men enjoy the same opportunities.?
Duh, educational institutions shouldn't be able to discriminate based on race. Affirmative action was overrated for both sides. It was more a nominal gesture that doesn't change anything. You have to be able and willing to study and perform academically, no matter ones race.
Us Freedman and Geechie Black Americans are watching everyone else have the conversation around us as we celebrate 🍾 because we literally make up 2% of Affirmative Action. Those that are having the conversation and upset are white women and African immigrants which are the majority of AA recipients. We get zero appreciation for fighting for it like civil rights so that others can benefit like Latinos ect and instead we get nothing but hatred. I even seen Indians use Affirmative Action and pretend to be Black. We're celebrating because we get 0 benefit from AA as it is not specific to us but we get all the blame, jealousy and hate. The funny thing is that everyone thought the Gravy train was for us when it really was for all of you. When you see Black Americans still in Havard and Yale i wonder what excuses for the hate will be next...🙄
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS NOT JUST FOR BLACKS IT WAS FOR ALL NON WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST FOR BLACKS. IT ALSO SEEMS THAT ONE OR MORE NON WHITE GROUPS SEEM SLIGHTED BECAUSE OF IT.
I am a foreigner who paid nothing for my engineering degree. The catch is that I had to compete with 60,000 kids for 400 spots. Got the 6th place in the general exams of Rio de Janeiro in 1992. It was hard to study 12 hours a day for a year... but it worked out well to me. Today I would never be admitted on the same school, since I am 70% white. Maybe it would've been better, because my plan B would be to migrate the US and join the air force, maybe then I could have accomplished my original plan to become a airspace engineer, but instead I became a software engineer.
America needs to respect African Americans and minority populations, and stop assuming they need special treatment during college admissions. The problems in the USA are financial and opportunity based; focusing on race doesn't actually solve the issues of inequality. We need to look past race and identify actual problems people are facing.
@@teresam5199 How about the people that were bombed to shreds in Vietnam? I suggest we re-implement Affirmative Action and give it to the Iraqis, and Afghani Muslims that were bombed to shreds during the war on terror. Free tuition and preferred selection for the most recently brutalized.
Wow such ideological rhetoric. Not an iota of how AA is helpful for society. It can help an individual, but it cannot help society. You need to accept that by the time a student is applying for college or university, it is far to late to help minority students from continuing their education. You should have improved the minority students standing in elementary school, then you wouldn't need AA in university.
Martin Luther King wasn't a fan of judging a person by the color of their skin ..... How is that not echoed. Until we treat people equal and see each other as equal...... We aren't going to be equal.
systemically racist policies of the past do not justify systemically racist policies of the present. and none of that is a legal argument for the courts. scotus rules on the constitutionality of what is presented to them. their job is to uphold the constitution. and it violated it
As a non-American, the concept of University legacy admissions is completely bizarre and would be a National scandal if it was ever found to be in place either formally or informally in my country
Sure keep it in the military, they want you to die for them
exactly, this is a joke
Attending a military academy is a personal choice. One of the best education's in this country. Highly selective.
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I don't understand excluding the military from this. Race should not be used to accept applicants. Blacks often see the military as their way to succeed even if it means to go up through the ranks. My daughter is a Commander in the Navy, my grand nephew and his wife met at the Air Force Academy. Colin Powell graduated from CCNY - not an Ivy League school.
Noone will be fighting for those positions I guess.
Of course Legacy Admission stay untouched because in America Money & Nepotism outweigh actual Merit.
Woke Turds Woke Turds Of America. Look Whats Going On. According to the model of propaganda developed by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky, “The ‘societal
purpose’ of the media is to inculcate and defend the economic, social, and political agenda of privileged
groups that dominate the domestic society and the state.” The mass media are controlled by those who are
able to pay for access to it. This situation is described by Edward Herman’s “power law of access” and the
“inverse power law of truthfulness,” which can be summarized as the greater the economic and political
power, the easier it is to gain access to the media and the more freedom is granted to tell complete lies.
These pathetic mainstream media mud channels are doing that very same granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.
Well legacy admissions is not unconstitutional. Race based admissions is unconstitutional. So there's the difference. I'm not defending legacy admissions. In just telling you that's not the Court's job.
@@trickmuffinful Except that the court repeatedly has found affirmative action to be in alignment with the constitution. Just not this ridiculous court.
What can be expected in US? That court needs to be expanded, we need more common sense in SCOTUS, that Court is biased and miserable, Affirmative Action Programs costs money. In that court the majority of judges are filthy rich, and economically conservative.
This is should absolutely be abolished as well
HBCU's for the win. I hope a lot of major talent goes there and makes their own instead of making certain people richer.
God! Wants his people to come together no matter what. 👊🏾
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Exactly, I am a graduate of the OLDEST HBCU, and it's named after British White Abolitionist!!!!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
I agree! Most of our geniuses and inventors came from HBCUs. Those people did more to help Americans and humanity than Asians have.
They made sure not to touch the legacy admissions. God forbid the rich kids become affected.
Damn right, their parents worked hard.
@@joec5544g AND they probably had TWO (as in 1+1=2) parents who raised them. There are way too many children born to unwed parents which is the root cause of much of the poverty and economic inequality in America. To solve a problem effectively, you must attack the source of the problem not the symptom. The failure of years (if not decades) of AA should be
proof of this.
@@joec5544g
that sounds like you are in favour of leeching and handouts, instead of pulling yourself by your bootstraps.
@@billcarney829 100 Percent agree with everything you said... Take care Bill.
@@sabin97 In reality it doesn't sound like that at all, you just want to pick a fight.. Go away.
A lady told me that it was about time that we judge people on merit, as opposed to giving special treatment to minorities through Affirmative Action. I don't think that she realised that white women, by number, were the greatest beneficiaries of the policy.
🇺🇸 MERIT >> MELANIN 🇺🇸
Whites get everything
I had an older women mention to me about how Harvard, Yale, and the like, have the best and brightest. I had to break it to her that legacy and money come first
@@biancalord488Very true. Think of how mentally slow Bush Jr. (Yale) seems to be.
@@rapidrhinos2254 how about legacy admissions? Asking for a friend…
To make matters worse, AA was created because colleges DID use race and gender as factors to DENY admissions for decades, so that legacy crap is a double slap.
Absolutely! You're 💯 on point!
SO TRUE!!
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
NO MORE "TOKENS".
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
so glad to see this end. Now on to bio men competing in female sports.
Race is a non-issue in this day and age. I do agree that legacy admission should be outlawed, but so should affirmative action based on race. Based on income/wealth? Sure, but not based on race.
Interesting that they kept AA for the military because they need black bodies on the battlefield but they don’t want black minds in the classroom. The real issue is what what John Bolton described when discussing Clarence Thomas at Yale, the white students at these universities feel like they “deserve” to be there and other minorities (mainly black students) don’t deserve to occupy the same space. We all just watched the college admissions scandal a few years ago where wealthy white parents cheated and scammed their children into elite schools that they didn’t deserve to be at because they hadn’t earned admission on merit and grades. But yet these students will enroll in the Ivy League and then look down on the black students there. Or the white girl in Texas that sued a few years ago when she didn’t get into UT. Somehow it was an imaginary black person that “took her spot” instead of acknowledging that maybe she actually wasn’t smart enough to get in anyway. Some of the criticism regarding the Asian applicants is that many of them are not well rounded, they have amazing grades but sometimes lack other club activities, leadership, volunteering, etc. They too express resentment towards black students that they think took something that otherwise was suppose to go to them.
ALL of this!
So many people on this video struggling to grasp what AA is and is not, and to come to this conclusion you so eloquently wrote.
It's crazy how Thomas supports MLKs colorblindness and content of character, and how Jackson opposes MLK in favor of racial preferences
“@only1adrienne: Interesting that they kept AA for the military because they need black bodies on the battlefield but they don’t want black minds in the classroom.” Yes, I had the same thought yesterday. Excellent comment.
@priestbokmei1114 so you oppose MLK too? These racists would make MLK roll over in his grave. it's CONTENT OF CHARACTER, NOT skin color
Respectfully I have not seen Asians criticizing blacks as undeserving. If anything pitting minority groups against one another creates less progress for all minorities
Didn't Lori Loughlin go to prison for bribing a college admissions employee???
for like 1 week, the rich play by different rules. Indeed, eroding the rule of law
Yeah the one out of 10,000,000 who was caught.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
"prison" it was a country club basically
Yes for two months.
It’s amazing how Clarence Thomas benefited from Affirmative Action for YEARS and now he turns his back on the very policy that helped him be where he is today!!!
Doesn't make it right
Why you accused only Clarence Thomas, why not Kentanji Brown? Van Jones? Joy Reid, and Cuomo? Well, because Justice Thomas was appointed as Constitutional Justice, while others are lefty hacks and activists.
He is a horrible and corrupt human being.
Black men make it a point to remind the world time and time again that they are the weakest link.
It was a little different back in the days he applied for college. Today, affirmative action helps African immigrants and students from the Caribbean rather than black Americans from the hood.
I’m all for nameless applications.
I like it, but I dont think it would work. Applicants would just make sure their resume was full of memberships in racial organizations and race-based courses.
@@dm0065 That’s reaching but sure 😂
And applications that don't ask a person's race or for people to check the box of race. That they won't do.
@thraxx8343 its reaching to think applicants will make sure their resume says stuff like "I was president of the LGBTQ Alliance club and treasure of the Black Lives Matter one"? Ok, I hope you're right.
@@thraxxxsd When I say Ice Hockey, Fencing, and Horseback riding... What race comes to mind?
Now, ALONG with not having the right to ask what race you are, it should ALSO be ILLEGAL to ask for your gender on college admissions applications or any job application!
And age!
No race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, or age. None of it has anything to do with your ability to be successful in college.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5to
But it does hold you a paid spot.
Nor who your parents are. No names on those applications.
@@MysteryFaceX Can’t realistically enforce that one. All the parent has to do is pass off their kids application ID when they gather for tennis on Saturday. Or they’d devise some system of identifying legacies through the essay portion. A code of some kind. That’s how that circle works.
For a bunch of so-called “anti-racists”, the prospect of not being allowed to racially discriminate scares you people to death.
I didn't get selected for a special school program and I remember the white professor telling me the other candidates blackness is more important than my Latinoness.
Affirmative Action in a Nutshell.
How very racist of her to assume that Black people won’t go into the fields she mentioned, because of the courts ruling on affirmative action. These people think we’re stupid. Why don’t you see the real African Americans complaining about this. It’s only us. The Black Americans. I don’t want any handouts. Grade me on my merits and nothing more. I can complete, I am not oppressed.
Thank God it has finally been realized how racist this legislation was!
Especially for Asians.
All college applicants should be assigned a number. No names, no background information on the person at all. They should take a look at test scores and extra curricular activities then make a decision based solely on those 2 factors. Nothing more, nothing less. Problem solved.
@dnomyarakunawik38 I've worked at some of the poorest school districts in California. If the student works hard enough, there are always pathways to success. The problem is that most of these low-income students don't _choose_ to take the pathway to success.
@@Lp78Ch You're delusional. This fake world we live in was constructed to benefit white males. If every non-white male on the planet "worked hard" they would still fail because this society was constructed to benefit white males simply for being white males.
@dnomyarakunawik38 Literally said no background information. A first grader reads better than you.
@dnomyarakunawik38
Why that’s sick, you should want the best student by merit not because of influence or charity.
@dnomyarakunawik38 go to a more affordable school?
You can make race invisible to the law, but not the streets or in public life in America 😡
Race is never invisible to the law. Y'all want to pretend that it is, but it's not.🙄
Yes it is, only wealth matters.
Woe is me.....😢
@@FASBLAQUEYou are confused between what is racism (typically has a hate element) versus personal bias (due to a lack or not understanding of another's culture or way of life). What most people learned about other ethnicities come from movies and shows, but these portrayals are not necessarily proper unless we walk in the other person's shoes. So, the existence of racism is due to your belief that it exists rather than look at others beyond skin colors. It starts with you. Let others do what they need to do. But try to control what's within your capacity to do so.
@mua
How can it be when the vast majority of the people judging prosecuting arrest are white & creating the laws are white or want to be for that matter! It’s like something is fried with some of you brains or something you can take two people one white one black same crime same wealth status same judge everything the same and the black person will always get the the worse outcome! It’s either you are just willfully ignorant or you’re just not living in reality as if life isn’t happening everyday on this planet! It’s so easy to talk that shit living in white skin! I always wondered how they hell can someone who has never been thru racism tell someone who lives thru it everyday what they are or are not going it’s really almost like you people are brain dead & crazy! Woe is me! You people think that is you keep saying something someone would care or be offended we are not like y’all get offended because you have white privilege call us what you want victim mentality all that weak silly childish talk like y’all haven’t fully matured or something! Stop creating victims if you don’t want none! Evil people! Your turn is coming!
That’s a society problem not a goverment problem
Not gonna lie, it seems to me like the discussion on AA is entirely a duscussion on who gets into the most selective, ivy league schools in the country. California banned AA 25 years ago, college admissions for black and latino students actually went up as a whole afterwards. Only admissions at schools like stanford and berekely decreased, and over time there are almost back to where they were before 98. Also worth noting that typically only the very privalleged amoung us are the ones who go to these schools anyways, despite race. Class should be a priority.
Like is this our measure of racial justice in this country? Who gets access to the ivy league club, who gets the ticket to become the next wallstreet brokers, the political lobbyists, the old money bank executive clubs? The diversity of the bourgeoisie? I think we should be more focused on ensuring all disadvantaged people get a guarantee to a decent life and a higher education. We should start make community college free, end legacy admissions, and seriously improve k-12 education for all. I think these struggles are much more important than the struggle of ensuring harvard law has a more diverse graduating class.
Exactly. The requirements to get into most universities is not difficult anyway
I work for a UC. They have detailed strategies for still admitting based on race. They even sent out an email about it yesterday assuring us they would continue using those strategies that skirt the law and bragging about how they’ve managed to keep doing it.
And fuck Harvard if they are pumping out lawyers and others who go out and fuck everything up.
Absolutely, but haven’t we known this for decades? Then ask yourself why Democrats have made SO LITTLE PROGRESS in educational equality?
It’s not just Harvard Law. It’s a racist attack. Why should qualified students of color be concentrated in state schools and lower tier private colleges? This is what this decision will reinforce, and worse.
And yes, at the same time, we should continue to fight for those for these other demands you mention.
I agree with this ruling because it was quite literally a racist promotion. It was all black peoples acceptance with lower grades and scores. I grew up in St. Augustine, Florida when it was a bit smaller and went to the exact same Elementary, Middle and High schools as the black community. I went to Webster Elementary and Murray Middle Schools, which were directly in the black community, and all of those students were graduated to St. Augustine High School. And, I grew up in a mobile home community, so why were black students given better opportunities? They were honestly given better treatment based on the sole factor of being black. That is the definition of racism. I understand the concept of attaining an educational balance between races, but it shouldn’t create an unfair advantage. Which it literally did in my personal case. There were even black only scholarships then. You cannot fight racism with more racism, that is synonymous with fighting fire with fire. You just get a bigger fire…or more racism.
They need term limits, period.
I agree with you. They need term limits for justices who can't define what a woman is.
Btw, you won't be in favour of term limits if the supreme court was dominated by left winged justices. Don't act now that you are neutral
No term limits in the SCOTUS was by design... It slows things down to avoid a radical change in "an opinion of the day" that can no longer be reversed. And keeps one party from squashing another forever in a moment of dominance in the other two branches... "Separation of Powers" , Ever hear of it?
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357exactly 😂
@@abstraqtphilosophy7357same with congress
I think African Americans should start exploring and excering education options in other countries as well as the U.S.
Do not serve their military, stop fighting their wars, and stop waiting for them to treat your equally. These ignorant ppl have shown hate towards us for centuries, stop thinking they will change and begin separating ourselves from them! It’s time to let them destroy themselves, by taking us out of the equation.
babyboi3 The black man loves their women, aka Clarence Thomas, they will die before they give them up.
Exactly
How many Asian Americans serve in the USA military?
@@avalimpanot much. They're too smart to sacrifice themselves for white supremacy
@@avalimpa Not that many.
But they sure wants the economic benefits of USA though.
Now, they will go after discrimination in employment.
As they should. Based on ability, not race. My sis had to proof read reports by her blk colleagues bc their writing ability was 7th grade level. She worked for DoD.
@@vallee7966I wish that wasn’t common but it is..
Now a fat old harry man can get a job at Hooters
@@vallee7966and then everyone clapped
@vallee7966 yeah. Because white colleagues don't need proof reading. Just say you and your sister are racist
I thought it was illegal to give a bribe for education so how is it that legacy admissions are not bribery 🤦🏾♀️
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Before anyone speaks in defense of Harvard or UNC, it is appropriate they start out with explicit disclaimer on their status as legacy admission or not.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so FAR less qualified kids get the place they earned!
Why don’t you ask the supreme justices to apply the same principles to the military. Affirmative action is good when it comes to having minorities fighting in the military, and not when it comes to education. This is hypocrisy in this purest form.
Legacy admissions is a different story. They generate revenue, with more money colleges can provide more financial aid, afford better infrastructure, hire better professors and provide a better experience for everyone at the institution.
I am all for merit but it is a small price to pay for the vast majority of the college students whose parents did not make donations
@@larryabecid2819 The small price you speak of is 45% of all admissions at Harvard.
Will not happen
This lady Wong is completely silly. The reason why no Asians can testify that they were discriminated against is because colleges do not explain to these students why they weren't accepted, they simply say sorry. The problem, which has been exposed through the facts of this case, is that Asians are penalized for being Asian, while blacks and Latinos are given bonus points for their race. It's clear cut discrimination and anyone who adheres to any basic ethical standards will readily admit so.
As far as military institutions and legacy admissions, the court just left them alone and didn't make any decision one way or the other because there was no plaintiff or lower court rulings for these cases. If someone filed a lawsuit and challenged them, then they would eventually make a ruling. If a black Harvard alumnus feels that his child was discriminated against compared to white alumni, then go and file a lawsuit! The Supreme Court doesn't make a ruling when there is no case.
Believe me, being the ONLY asian in your school comes with much bullying. It was not good. When I changed school with much more diversity. It gave me affirmation of existing, and significantly broadened my world view.
Yes, its a shame that they are now closing the doors on diversity with this law
I've been in schools with very high diversity, and every single ethnicity sticks to its own. It's absolutely sick. There's no integration with people befriending various ethnicities--they just hang out with and look out for their own.
Well you better talk to your people because from my experience, the majority of you are locked and "boot step" loyal to WS.
@@Infinitelyinfinite888 believe me I am very disgusted my "my people," although I don't appreciate your tone.
@@kaboyodaniel3630 No, they aren't. The ruling just makes it so race is much less of a factor when considering admissions. Why not have the best and brigthest regardless of who they are? To really end discrimination on the basis of race, we need to end discriminating on the basis of race. All it does is take issues of race out of the equation, and allows colleges and universities to make decisions on more than just one's appearance. I don't see how that in any way could be controversial.
F- affirmative action! It didn't exist anyways, because of my income, my black child did not qualify for any affirmative action. Thank God her grades and tests scores are amazing.
I will not be voting Democrat from now on 💯‼️💯‼️💯
When people are used to having special privileges, they feel oppressed when they are treated equally.
Does that explain white why whites whine when POC manage to get into things that only whites were once allowed into.
Well said
You are talking about blacks, because that’s who that really applies too.
Tell that to rich white people who think their kids DESERVE a place at Harvard because their parent went there, NOT because of their grades. They NEVER want to be treated like everyone else and the Supreme Court says their privilege should continue. DISGUSTING!!!
This issue will be back in the courts before you know it
Nope.
HOPE SO, BUT I DOUBT IT THOUGH.
@@chrisx5127 Harvard is already being sued.
@@Muerice Yup, and good.
Student selection should be based on academic record alone. I’m not sure color blindness is a bad thing but I think those millions for whom secondary education is out of reach financially is the real problem. If you create true equity by making college free and cost of living covered by stipend, as other countries do, then you open up higher education for everyone who is capable and qualifies to attend.
Most people don't like feeling unfairly treated and getting the balance right is hard. College is not just studying - it is learning to work with a more diverse group of people than the student is used to on projects. Most strategy theory recommends diverse teams to increase innovation and reduce group think where people roll in behind one person's idea rather than analysing options and then choosing. In the UK, leaders come from a small amount of elite schools and universities with crony capitalism and favoritism this brings. With a wider range of learning platforms, there should be more choice on different types of courses and fee levels however universities will try to keep barriers to entry and over- price if they can. Not everyone should go to college- there are alternative choices including apprenticeship schemes in financial services and healthcare as well as the trades.
95% of jobs don’t need a college degree. We need to end this idea that everyone should go to college. With today’s technology, anyone can learn almost anything online or at the local library. Only very technical fields like law, medicine, sciences really need to go to college to work in the field. The rest can be learned on the job through internships and apprenticeships. The reason college is so expensive is because 1) we told everyone they had to go to college to succeed and 2) we then handed out student loans. It was the perfect set up for colleges to raise tuition, create a bunch of ridiculous majors, and then admit as many people as they could. College is mostly a money making scam at this point. Most college grads aren’t learning anything useful and are leaving college in debt with no direction in life.
But the actual grade someone might recieve at a school isn't indicative of a grade they would recieve somewhere else. Someone could get all A's at one school, and be a C student in another. Private schools are notorious for inflating grades to make them seem like their students acedemic success is superior to local schools. And there's so many people with the perfect test scores, perfect extra-curriculars, and so many more factors that just choosing from that could mean essentially playing eenie-meanine-miney-mo with someones future because their qualifications match so many students, even if their character is poor.
You're absolutely correct! Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so unqualified kids get the place they earned!
@@NANA-su5ql AA forces teachers to "pass" unqualified AA students that can't keep up! End AA now, it discriminates against more qualified kids!
Affirmative Action should be barred in military academies also.
Pasty white hands wrote this
It was the right move to remove Affirmative Action.
I’m so glad that we are moving closer to Martin Luther king Jr’s dream. I’d much rather be judged on merits, and not because I checked a box based on my skin color or genitalia. love and light to all and happy 4th ✌🏾
Ignorance is bliss in your case huh. ALOT of Black ppl do not get judged on their merits, but rather on their skin color so many do not get it, the only filled the quota that was required by law and with that quota they always chose very best students among blacks wo applied. Might I add that quota was VERY small btw. Now without that law in place, they can go back to NOT looking at Black ppl because of their color, REGARDLESS of their race. You really should get a clue. You would have atleast be judged on your merits if they had a say 6% of Blacks quota to fill. Now without that quota, guess what, they can avoid your ass as long as u r Black, your merits dnt matter coz u are less than human. But ofc this is me assuming u are Black based on ur profile pic. Who really knows what race u are while spouting your ignorance.
I wish I could even pretend to be surprised anymore.
Super smart and incredibly hardworking whites kids should not be discriminated against so unqualified kids get the place they earned!
We have a "token" on the Supreme Court, put their only because she's a black woman, while there are literally thousands of more qualified people! This nonsense has gone far enough!
Why? It’s surprising good things are actually being done lately.
@@autofocus4556Should the KKK continue to be legal or should we get rid of freedom of association for *private* institutions?
@@RadRat1978 What does the KKK have to do with anything? The fact is that affirmative action is not fair and is not merit-based. If anything, it's racist in and of itself.
I find it hilarious that liberals want to filter people based on race, but not based on wealth/income, which would be far fairer.
@@RadRat1978 yes it should be legal just like every other hate group is legal.
Turn back the clock to 1920s that's what they want
No one is stopping blacks or anyone else to go to college. FYI, these "top" colleges are too expeand over-rated. You're better off going to state college.
Diversity means quota. The irony is Black students spend more time playing basketball, football, baseball, tennis, and golf because those sports make better money than going to college and become an average wage earner. Black students also spend more time on arts so they can become actors, singers, song writers, comedians, etc., also for making more money than college graduates. It's only when those tracks didn't pan out, will they try the fall back plan (go to college). Since they already spent time on sports, and art, they didn't spend enough time on science and math. Therefore they need affirmative action to get them into the top tier schools.
Embarrassing interviews for democracy now - not one person having an opposing view to all the pro affirmative action speakers
Finally that horrible social engineering called AA has ended.
As a black man I want to be hired on merit and not what i look like
Affirmative action made hard for college to keep black men out of college
Sometimes, what you look like would be noticed instead of your merit. It's called discrimination, and it's the reason why you won't be hired.
Being black will keep you out no matter how much merit you have.
@@raykane2063 Victimhood is strong in this one.
@@hollowhammer3526 😅🤣😂 They programmed him well.
America is a very sad country.
Good riddance to affirmative action
Clarence Thomas is the replacement for Thurgood Marshall, appointed by George W. Bush. Wow. I never knew how dumb GW Bush is until recently.
As for Clarence Thomas, I think he acts like a man with a lot of guilt, resentment and insecurity swimming around inside his head. Perhaos learning that he was 1 of 12 black students used to fulfill a quota @ Harvard was the culprit. Kind of can’t blame him if he felt unsure or upset, but he COULD choose to look at like this: it wasn’t his skin color that got him INTO Harvard; it was his skin color that got him CONSIDERED for Harvard. Once he was screened, then pooled with other black candidates, it was actually his merit, character, grades, test scores, essay response, etc. that were the TRUE determinants of his acceptance (in my estimation and opinion as a University Professor and Administrator of 15+ years). It’s too bad he seems to be so resentful of AffirmAction because he sure does act out on his frustrations. Sadly, he acts like he wants to be white. Nothing wrong with that except he wants to be a MAGA white moron. And not even a compassionate, empathic or morally sound white guy - he acts like he wants to be a white “supremacist” and just ignore the fact that he is black. I don’t just say this bc he’s a Republican, either. Nor is it bc I’m opposed to his rulings (with which a few I actually agree). It’s the way he handles and treats his position on the court and his attitude toward his own wife, his own behavior, his own political party, and his own mistakes. Thurgood Marshall is probably rolling over in his grave. Sorry GOP, but y’all make the DUMBEST decisions.
It's Funny how Uncle Thomas quoted The Independence document that was written during slavery 😅
WHITE SUPREMACIST IN BLACK FACE. HE IS MARRIED TO A WHITE WOMAN (THE SLAVE MASTERS DAUGHTER).
Please drop the pop psychology and try real arguments.
Its funny that you interview only people who disagree with the court decision
Two points: 1) This decision does not close the doors of academia to minorities (or people of color) and 2) The discussion here is not balanced. Not a single person who agrees with the decision is on the panel here. All three panelists have the same opinion.
What is wrong with meritocracy? Are you guys saying African Americans and Hispanic kids cannot match the intellectual vigor of the white, Chinese, and Indian students? If so, I disagree vehemently.
Yea for Thomas Clarence a true American and
Non bigot
It's the Chinese who won't all the blackfolks rights!That's why I'm voting for Trump next time
The message seems to be, yes, we can look at a person's race as historically has been done since the birth of the nation and make decisions based on their race when it comes to denying them their rights but not when it comes to giving them the opportunities of advancement that historically have been denied to them.
Exactly
Two wrongs don’t make a right, it just makes people think of it as a zero sum game.
@@revolution94ful The class, completely aware of themselves as such, which benefits most from our societies riches, have deliberately angled to make it a zero sum game. From the foxhunts of the english elites to the cattle-guides of the midwest... the powerful favor their children by suppressing the possibilities and birthright of all other children. By the simple mechanism of power-worship... a mode of thought for every child; thus propagated by the infantilization of the entire citizenry... grants passover to these cultural throwbacks.
That's the thing "historically" maybe, however we are all equal and should be meritocraticly treated in advancement opportunities. Move ahead.
@@colorocko1 You mean, [ignore the past] ...because it suits you.
I would support getting rid of AA in a post-racism world but we are VERY far from there.
Affirmative action creates a sense of unfairness at the point of admissions or job offers, and that is the wrong way to fix the problem. If we want to address the legacy of historical racism, then we should be giving more funding to poorer schools and neighborhoods, to get them up to par from the start.
@@cev12 Yes that needs to happen but it doesn't address the systemic racism that has woven itself into the fabric of the institutions that govern society ie police, universities and banks etc.
@@AcidOllie Neither does affirmative action… instead, it just creates a deep-seated sense of unfairness amongst others in the struggling lower-middle classes. And then you’ve got more racism.
@@cev12 Sorry I wasn't trying to imply AA is/was solving those problems either. The whole thing is a mess which will always get worse before it gets better. 1 step forward 2 steps back it feels like.
@@LewKnowsScience When I was a teenager I used to believe everyone on earth could all live happily together and everyone could get on but as I've grown older I feel more and more like this isn't possible.
Legacy admissions hurts Asian students as well. Hope that will be the next lawsuit.
What’s unconstitutional about legacy admissions?
It gives special consideration to the relatives of past graduates whether deserved or not.
It won't.
It won't because Asians will be doing the legacy admissions and continue it.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toit primarily benefits wealthy white people. It’s inherently race based
Oops, so you mean Harvard will have to judge people based on merit, not skin color? What a concept....🤡
Diversity, it's this magical word that does magical things a bunch of clowns
So, private/rich universities can go BACK to the beginning again.
IT IS NOT ABOUT BEING RICH SO MUCH AS IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE.
That the Supreme Court makes an exception for military academies is no coincidence. Integration is an important feature of the cohesion (hence effectiveness) of the US military machine.
It's also making the military the only escape for a society becoming increasingly hostile and backwards everywhere else. Notice how the military recently used a drag queen in recruitment videos as hostility towards queer people became more widespread? Not a coincidence. A solution for poor recruitment rates for years. Come to the military where social cohesion and some level of protection against discrimination is guaranteed.
This carve out for the military really got me as well. I guess I would have to read the decision to see how they legally support allowing diversity policies in one area but not in another.
Integration is important in society as a whole too.
There was no exception for the military academies - the court simply decided the academies were outside the scope of the decision. They decided not to decide. The court noted that no service academy was a party to the case, that service academies are not universities, and the application of AA to service academies had not yet been addressed by the lower courts. It is almost certain that given the current decision, a future case will be brought against some of the academies.
@@humanbeing3337FACTS
The same ladder that Justice Thomas used to get where he is....he just pulled up.
Is it racist to admit based on race?
Men get an LLC and protect your assets. Pay yourself minimum wage and do all transactions through your business. Give yourself a pay increase when support is no longer required. Spend your money on your kids when you have them only. Do not put it in her hands. Be savage when dealing with a savage.
Yes, systemic racism exists! It's called affirmative action. There are plenty of state and community colleges that can provide good educations that are happy to accept anyone who qualifies through test scores and grades. And they're a lot less expensive. Double win.
The REAL bottom line in all our controversial issues in this country IS the bottom line. It is not white , black, brown, yellow, or red; it is the persuit if the color green, and it's goal of power.
Facts, it has MOVED from black and white to green
NOT SO MUCH; IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE.
Court ended discrimination based upon race.
A remedy of past discrimination is NOT discrimination, it's corrective
@@teresam5199 Purportedly that is what black people believed and white people said at the time AA was enacted in this country. However, it has always mystified me that white people believe that 50 years of affirmative action for black people is a remedy for the 250 years of slavery then another 100 of neoslavery and Jim Crow; how 5 Civil Rights Acts can correct the some 450,000 slave codes that were enacted. And that's just what AA was to remediate with resepct to black people. AA also corrects the treatment of Latinos and the Indigenous (did the plaintiffs as well as the pundits covering this story forget that AA includes Native Americans) in this country. But I'm black and don't understand white math.
Nothing will change. If Asians think more of them will get into Harvard now, they are gonna be sorely disappointed.
As a black women I’m glad! It never benefited us. We were better off as a people segregated!
Chinese Americans need 3 times the score to get into Harvard as any Black or Hispanic.
Liar
How the bleep can they say that Affirmative Action does not discriminate against Asian American students? That is exactly what is is designed and intended to do.
And even though Californians voted out AA in 1996, the UC and CSU campuses will continue to push the AA agenda in other, subtle ways.
Because it’s part of the false narrative/propaganda.
Would you mind explaining exactly how Affirmative Action was designed to discriminate against Asian American students?
What part of the policy excludes Asian American students?
@@menarentlogical I work for the UC system (University of California). The state voted out AA in 1996. So, instead, the geniuses at the UC Regents came up with this "holistic" approach to evaluate the whole student. The SAT requirement has been dropped. Black and Latino students with 2.8 GPA are now admitted to the lower-tier UC campuses like Riverside and Merced. UCLA and Berkeley would be 80% Asian if admissions were purely based on academics and nothing else.
@@menarentlogical I didn’t hear that it was designed to do that but that’s what it inadvertently did. There’s videos all over UA-cam showing the admission rates by race and showing that the mediocre black and brown kids were admitted at a higher rate than the very smart Asian kids.
Please explain why legacy admissions are different or better than AA? All men are created equal except legacy admissions or military institution admissions?
I testify! My score was not high enough to get into UCLA, but I scored high enough if I was Black or Hispanic by a mile.
Did you get into a college?
That's not how that works so yeah you didn't get in. Affirmative action in college explained, 20 spots 21 applications 20 white candidates and 1 black. The first 19 are white and the last spot are one white guy and one black guy with the same scores. The black kid gets in because because all the other applicants are white. But sometimes the Black kid has the highest score out of all applicants and still doesn't get in because a Karen is making the selections, but he does get it if the government makes her.
You’re lying. The black students didn’t have lower grades who got in. Keep lying to yourself, if it makes you feel better, tho.
@@mytoesarecold5555 uhhh yes they did lol. They score over 150 points less on sats than asians, so they literally had worse marks than everyone else.
@@mytoesarecold5555 liar
Oh well! Most people who benefit from it was WW!
So Democracy now was really never about Democracy.
John Roberts, born into a comfortable life of White privilege--and educated at private schools prior to his entry into the rarified world of Harvard--has not evolved beyond his privileged White boy's understanding of society and the role of race in society. In this regard he remains provincial in his outlook, a worldview shaped by a sheltered life.
stressed is just desserts spelled backwards
You are full of hate.
What about Justice Clarence Thomas who grew up in the segregated south (under actual oppression and legally enforced inequality) yet agrees with “the privileged white boy”?
Your using as hominem attacks against people and weaponizing superficial identity characteristics to devalue their argument, when you should be evaluating the integrity and logic of their ideological position concerning Affirmative Action.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Students who are not qualified academically or who are not the best fit for a college are not entitled to attend.
There is nothing wrong with going to community college for a year or two to improve your grades or attending a less rigorous university and taking remedial classes.
If you want to improve the trajectory of disadvantaged students, start at the elementary level by allowing school choice and improving educational programs so that kids will be prepared for the future instead of being stuck trying to play catch up learning basic Algebra in college while their peers are studying Calculus.
What about Justice Clarence Thomas who grew up in the segregated south (under actual oppression and legally enforced inequality) yet agrees with “the privileged white boy”?
Your using as hominem attacks against people and weaponizing superficial identity characteristics to devalue their argument, when you should be evaluating the integrity and logic of their ideological position concerning Affirmative Action.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Students who are not qualified academically or who are not the best fit for a college are not entitled to attend.
There is nothing wrong with going to community college for a year or two to improve your grades or attending a less rigorous university and taking remedial classes.
If you want to improve the trajectory of disadvantaged students, start at the elementary level by allowing school choice and improving educational programs so that kids will be prepared for the future instead of being stuck trying to play catch up learning basic Algebra in college while their peers are studying Calculus.
What about Justice Clarence Thomas who grew up in the segregated south (under actual oppression and legally enforced inequality) yet agrees with “the privileged white boy”?
Your using as hominem attacks against people and weaponizing superficial identity characteristics to devalue their argument, when you should be evaluating the integrity and logic of their ideological position concerning Affirmative Action.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination. Students who are not qualified academically or who are not the best fit for a college are not entitled to attend.
There is nothing wrong with going to community college for a year or two to improve your grades or attending a less rigorous university and taking remedial classes.
If you want to improve the trajectory of disadvantaged students, start at the elementary level by allowing school choice and improving educational programs so that kids will be prepared for the future instead of being stuck trying to play catch up learning basic Algebra in college while their peers are studying Calculus.
Our leaders do not care about us youth. This country gets worse every decade.
Time for a second revolution.
@@cryptbeast3222 I'm ready
@@chi3fgri3fRevolution is for the failed art students like Hitler.
It is a cesspool..
But keeps it for military academies ..smh
IT IS ALL ABOUT INSTATUTIONALIZED RACISM/INSTATUTIONALIZED WHITE SURPREMACY NEED I SAY MORE AND THE CULLING OF THE BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY
Of course. Everyone is fair game when it comes time to die furthering the interests of the military industrial complex.
FREE JULIAN ASSANGE FROM BELMARSH PRISON UK 🇬🇧
Where is the other side of the argument??? 3 people all on the same side.
I still remember the days of Amy moderating Norman Finkelstein vs. Alan Dershowitz. It's kinda sad what's happened to NPR. Bob Boilen is the only bright spot left in this organization.
_Democracy Now!_ is sponsored by Pfizer, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and other globalist elites who aim to destroy America.
What argument? That coloured and Asian people are not worthy of an education?
@@michelekett8450 You're not very smart.
What about college sports? Should we just bump up more Asians into basketball?? Cuz playing college sports it’s a huge access to societal power (as in, huge on your resume, the network you build, and not to mention LEGACY ADMISSION FOR YOUR DESCENDANTS OOOOO). Or should sports be based solely on ability??
Sports should be based on ability as well, if you play well, doesnt matter which race you are, you should be admitted
@@suoercell lol of course I agree with you. Maybe I didn’t make my sarcasm clear, sorry.
It's Funny how Uncle Thomas quoted The Independence document that was written during slavery 😅
" Who needs the best pilots, best engineers or best surgeons? " " The more you learn, the more you earn."
Asian Americans do academically quiet well. ( Who ever got their act together should get promoted )
No free lunch
While listening to this program, as well as the thousands of other interpretations of the decision, made by the Supreme Court, concerning affirmative action, i am profoundly disappointed in the rhetoric and the lack of faith being promoted! I am more saddened by this lack of faith in the American people than I am by the undoing of the affirmative action. Why do you assume that the institutions that have claimed their dedication to diversity would all of a sudden abandon that commitment? This is the moment where we demonstrate who we truly are. If we continue to push for equality, inclusion, and prosperity of all - without some law, telling us that we must - then wouldn’t this be the ultimate proof that we have grown and evolved past the primitive notions of the role race plays in our lives?
It is time to make a choice, as individuals as a community, and as a society, to either uphold the principles of racial equality we know to be true, or to abandon them for the sake of political duplicity that is being imposed on us. Stop telling horror stories about how we will fall into the depths of racial bias and segregation!!! Start promoting the thought that WE ARE ONE! Affirmative Action played its role in helping our society become more diverse. But it is our collective experience of sharing those classrooms, and work spaces, and neighborhoods that will inspire future generations to get past using “race” as means of defining one’s worth.
Right wingers have been seething to do this for decades. Makes me sick.
Loooong overdue. Applause.
Not just right wingers. Leftists too
liberals have actually been the ones fighting to end this for decades. but the left becamse so focused on race for everything that they lost actual liberals. but actual liberals still on the left want it gone too. 65% of the population wanted this to end. so unless you are saying 65% of the population are right wingers....
Finally! No more racial discrimination for college entrance! Good call, but should of included military & legacy.
So you NEVER again have to answer the question about what race you are on ANY APPLICATION for work or school!!!
Woke Turds Woke Turds Of America. Look Whats Going On. According to the model of propaganda developed by Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky, “The ‘societal
purpose’ of the media is to inculcate and defend the economic, social, and political agenda of privileged
groups that dominate the domestic society and the state.” The mass media are controlled by those who are
able to pay for access to it. This situation is described by Edward Herman’s “power law of access” and the
“inverse power law of truthfulness,” which can be summarized as the greater the economic and political
power, the easier it is to gain access to the media and the more freedom is granted to tell complete lies.
These pathetic mainstream media mud channels are doing that very same granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.granted to tell complete lies.
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They'll just throw out it based on names now
@@xibalbalon8668 but you can change your name.
@@whygohome172you can’t change what school you attended. Red lining which is still active today, will let them know all they need to know!
If you faver one group the other group looses
I’m surprised this racist law lasted as long as it did.
There is an alternative to lower your tuition costs. I went to a community college and then a 4-year University. It only took me less than 2 years to graduate with a B.A. in CJ. I think there is a misconception on community colleges, it doesn’t mean you aren’t intelligent or considered “poor” at all. I graduated with a high gpa and with summa cum laude. It’s doable for sure with a lot of hard work. Also, apply for as many scholarships!
lol I doubt you got that much credit for your community college work from a university. I used to be on the board of a community college and there was not a university in the country who would give you that much credit. Lastly this has nothing to do with scholarships but actual access to the college in the first place for POC
@@drwatsonca6945 I had enough credits transferred to Rutgers University…I’m not sure how they do things at your community college, maybe instead of having that victim mentality things would go better. I heard so many POC complain that they wouldn’t be accepted but yet there they were and some didn’t even take it seriously and took it for granted.
Lastly, what most Universities do is pile up all of these elective courses. I could have graduated a bit sooner if it weren’t for electives. So, yes I did work hard and didn’t have anything handed to me. But as someone who claims to have worked in the board of a community college should know better.
what's cj? carl's jr.?
@@sabin97 Criminal Justice...
@@TheTillmanSneakerReview oh.
People don't truly understand what affirmation action
Or how to finish a sentence.
There is a fear that by providing an education to a "Minority" would result in an astounding revelation to the fearful That given the same opportunities, these "Minorities are just as good as think they are! If "all men are created equal," then why can't all men enjoy the same opportunities.?
Duh, educational institutions shouldn't be able to discriminate based on race. Affirmative action was overrated for both sides. It was more a nominal gesture that doesn't change anything. You have to be able and willing to study and perform academically, no matter ones race.
Well, at least white people have Latinos to stand in solidarity with them based on the fact they can pass as white@21:49 she said it I didn't.
THAT IS WHY REPARATIONS ARE NECESSARY. HBCU’s will thrive because the previously impoverished will be able to support their OWN.
Us Freedman and Geechie Black Americans are watching everyone else have the conversation around us as we celebrate 🍾 because we literally make up 2% of Affirmative Action. Those that are having the conversation and upset are white women and African immigrants which are the majority of AA recipients. We get zero appreciation for fighting for it like civil rights so that others can benefit like Latinos ect and instead we get nothing but hatred. I even seen Indians use Affirmative Action and pretend to be Black.
We're celebrating because we get 0 benefit from AA as it is not specific to us but we get all the blame, jealousy and hate.
The funny thing is that everyone thought the Gravy train was for us when it really was for all of you. When you see Black Americans still in Havard and Yale i wonder what excuses for the hate will be next...🙄
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS NOT JUST FOR BLACKS IT WAS FOR ALL NON WHITES IN THIS COUNTRY. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST FOR BLACKS. IT ALSO SEEMS THAT ONE OR MORE NON WHITE GROUPS SEEM SLIGHTED BECAUSE OF IT.
0 benefit yet it's the black community who is the most upset about AA being eliminated from college admissions. Right... 😏🤣
Then remove where it say race on the application !
I am a foreigner who paid nothing for my engineering degree. The catch is that I had to compete with 60,000 kids for 400 spots. Got the 6th place in the general exams of Rio de Janeiro in 1992. It was hard to study 12 hours a day for a year... but it worked out well to me. Today I would never be admitted on the same school, since I am 70% white. Maybe it would've been better, because my plan B would be to migrate the US and join the air force, maybe then I could have accomplished my original plan to become a airspace engineer, but instead I became a software engineer.
America needs to respect African Americans and minority populations, and stop assuming they need special treatment during college admissions. The problems in the USA are financial and opportunity based; focusing on race doesn't actually solve the issues of inequality. We need to look past race and identify actual problems people are facing.
Attempting to remedy over a hundred years of denial of admissions to higher education institutions is NOT "special treatment"
@@teresam5199 How about the people that were bombed to shreds in Vietnam? I suggest we re-implement Affirmative Action and give it to the Iraqis, and Afghani Muslims that were bombed to shreds during the war on terror. Free tuition and preferred selection for the most recently brutalized.
@@teresam5199 yes it is
Excellent segment on the Supreme Court decision
Merit based and financial need base should be factors considered for acceptance .
Wow such ideological rhetoric. Not an iota of how AA is helpful for society. It can help an individual, but it cannot help society. You need to accept that by the time a student is applying for college or university, it is far to late to help minority students from continuing their education. You should have improved the minority students standing in elementary school, then you wouldn't need AA in university.
Martin Luther King wasn't a fan of judging a person by the color of their skin ..... How is that not echoed. Until we treat people equal and see each other as equal...... We aren't going to be equal.
The history of redlining and gerrymandering alone justify affirmative action.
systemically racist policies of the past do not justify systemically racist policies of the present. and none of that is a legal argument for the courts. scotus rules on the constitutionality of what is presented to them. their job is to uphold the constitution. and it violated it
As a non-American, the concept of University legacy admissions is completely bizarre and would be a National scandal if it was ever found to be in place either formally or informally in my country
but out of our business if you don't understand our history.
In the US, greed always trumps grades.