I don't even run a reservoir and I'm already thinking about this. You'll be the death of me yet Sir! Great work as always on all fronts, the build and video
Ha!! I super knew you would do this!! As it came up on the round table and more and more people in chat asked about it ...then you touched on the aquarium controllers ...I knew it was on!! You never disappoint sugar! 💚 3 minutes in and I can't wait to see how it goes! (Not to mention I'm totally enamored with the way you say peristaltic😍)
I do appreciate these types of videos that you post. I've already learned and applied a lot of the LED information you've shared before. The trust is there bro. This stuff just makes me want to #1 continue to to improve as a grower and #2 continue to spend more money on cool shit like this. Lol I love it
Good shit man its a great idea and its even better that u actually went on with the thought and mastered it and made a full professional looking and working build of it. Anyone thats got negative things to say about this vid are just making themselves look stupid. 100% man u got talent.
Brings me back! Had a similar setup when i was running an aeroflow 60, PH was constantly drifting up, dosing pump and Milwaukee controller did the trick.
super bad ass! in such a small test tank I'm surprised you got it to settle! I could imagine slowing down the pumps with lower voltage (essentially what diluting did) would help with control for some folks.
We love the torus hydro pod! Works awesome for keeping the pH at a steady range. Never spikes above 6.5. Suuuper efficient way of keeping RDWC and hydro systems regulated
Built the same one with identical parts and cost me about 350$ CAD total (Half the price of the Bluelab controller), just got it set up and doing a test run but so far so good. I opted for a 30:1 mixture because it was using so much of the 50:1 solution. Next step is setting up 5 gallon pales with PH up and PH down solutions and wiring up a float switch to shut off the controller when the solution runs out to prevent the pumps from burning out.
9 hours later and it's working perfectly, it kicks on once every 9 hours when the PH gets to 6.02 (high setting) and brings it back down to my low setting (5.81) in about 30 seconds without using much solution at all.
I don't do hydroponics at all but I still thought this was a great idea and it made a interesting video, I wouldn't have even thought that it would be possible to set something up like that
Using similar skills and components, you could make a flow battery for high energy backup storage.. pair it with some solar, wind or hydro power and you've got a complete energy solution. Not only would you have backup power, but you could take your entire operation off the grid.
Dude I love your work so much you're an inspiration. However i just don't have the skills required. What I'd love is for you to make a playlist of introductory tutorial videos....electronics 101....parts 101....tools to learn and practice projects 101...before i grow confident enough to attempt some of your insanely awesome projects.
Great vid, thank you. I just ordered all the goodies to build this. PH is the Bain of every hydro grower’s existence. I could not find a dual system anywhere.
Very well Ken. If I knew how to post a pic I would lol I tried a couple different ratios for both PH up and down and landed on 20:1 for both. I have a 75 gal res feeding 8 25 litre totes (ea holding approx 15 litres) RDWC. Works good but I wish there was a way to pause after a dosing to give the entire system a chance to adjust.
If someone could design and build an affordable system that doses ph up/down and ec that would be amazing. For EC you could have a target with a ratio mixture from 4 or 5 peristaltic pumps. For example if you were looking for an ec of say 1.2 it would dose the desired ratio ie 60% from peri 1, 20% peri 2, and so on. I think you have the know how to build this.
I built one very similar using the same controller. It is working perfectly! The only diff was I bought pre wired adjustable pumps...it was cheaper. Nice idea and TY.
Just an observation for what it's worth; Try putting the probe back on the other end of the tank and increase the sample rate of the controller. In process control of this type you generally don't need a PID, just a PI or a straight proportional control. But give the dose time to effect the whole tank and get mixed in by increasing your sample rate.
Great build nice and clean.. need to get a project box for my temp controller useing a old plastic box. great job on the trial and error on the solution ratio, hope this works out for u.. peace and blessings
Thankful for this video. Helpful in my research on building flower room aeroponic systems with off the shelf components. Aeroponics would for sure need some guy or gal checking the PH of reservoirs on a constant basis, unless you can PH automation. EC does not fluctuate as much as PH in hydro, so unless it is on a larger scale, I think a lot of DIY full flower aero set ups can run fine with just PH auto control. Eventually I want to have both, but I just don't operate on a large enough scale to make the EC auto control nearly as important as PH.
shaking ph solution isn't gonna matter. Its just phosphoric acid and potassium carbonate, they wont "settle out". Issue with the pinpoint controller in general is there isn't a adjustable delay. Those units were mainly designed for Co2. Making something like this out of arduino wouldn't be difficult, you would just have to source for some decent pH probes. You also have to keep in mind those probes have a limited life most of them are only rated for like a year of use.
bad ass GrowMou5! thank you so mush for this video! I hate PH'ing with a passion! I'm definitely going to build this even though Im swithing to super soil and eventually no-till, but I will probably play around with hydro. Thank you again for sharing the info. It helps out tremendously!
Many thanks and kudos Brothah Man ...being a bit geeky myself, I'm eating these vids of yours up !!! Keep up the great work...haters, as you know, are always gonna pick shit apart. Peace
Pheno Jack I appreciate it Jack. I get that this project isn't for everyone & living soil doesn't req this complication or expense. But sometimes a guy just wants to make something cool & show the world. Cheers brother!
Thanks for sharing dude! I've always been under the assumption that if you go too far one way to start over cause you don't wanna use both up and down. But either way this is definitely good info.
dam you make me want more stuff lmao. cool as all ways growmau5 and looks like the light from your last video is coming along. looking forward to that video hope northern refill stock soon so you can post
Really freaking cool! Could you do this in a cheaper manner if you were to get an arduino and get some kind of pH sensor with those same pumps and chop off a chunk of the price?
instead of giving it such a small window as the 5.9-6.1 would opening the window to around lets say 5.7-6.3 to turn the dosage pumps on less barely using any ph up? Or even better 5.5-6.1 as most waters in the states have high ph. The window for the 5.5 will allow enough ph down to be dumped without having the ph up kick on and fight each other. I noticed with my water the ph will drop to around 5.5-5.8ish then always rise to 6.0 just because it has to get fully mixed in. I believe when you further diluted the mixture its essentially "widening" the window but from the mixture as it has more time to gradually change the ph of the water saying within the (+-)1 rather than giving a larger window so it can fully mix in the res and give a "correct" ph value not the value of the "ph swing". Just some thoughts, I try and use the bare minimum of ph up/down cause it can through nute ratios off! Love the vid!
no till here, but definitely like the ingenuity tech of the mou5, good info 👍👍👍.. jebao is what was talked about friday on the round table as well, they have some pretty cost efficient stuff (dosing pumps and submersible ect) mou5 you still have a tank ?
Did you make a video while filming a live video? Videoception! Good stuff man. Also you really need to get yourself a set of punches and a set of transfer punches. You'll thank me in the long run when you don't have to redrill a hole due to it being off.
I think systems running this type of PH auto control should consider using small circulation pumps, in addition to air stones, for greater circulation of the up and down chemicals. I see that one of the issues in these tests is that the added up or down solution is not circulation fast enough.
And on the back was the power supply together with a dual pinpoint? How did you connect these pH dispensers to the device to automatically dispense pH-adjusting fluids?
+growmau5 step drill is a great tool for making circular holes in the project box... would you have any advice on cutting 'square' holes in the plastic project boxes for square switches etc? thanx in advance
If the aquarium your first test run was done in was straight RO water, could the rapid fluctuation be a result in the lack of anything to buffer the PH? My guess would be if you repeated the test using the nutes you would be running in your res, a more concentrated PH +/-, your readings would not be as rapid or variant.
How long do you think the tubing in those valves will last? I imagine having pH down running through there even at a diluted level could be acidic enough to cause damage over time. Simple enough to just pull and replace a pump though. Nice setup!
John Othic the tubing in those pumps should be silicone... pretty inert. if there is an issue (after a while the tubing does wear out from the squeezing motion) the pumps I've seen are operable and you can put a new length of tube in, essentially rebuilding it in comparison to a piston pump.
im sure white is meant to be live wire and black is neutral - doesnt matter for this setup but just a heads up btw really like all the tech you bring to your channel
and really like to know when you are gonna show some arduino automation - just started my self with arduino water automation :) and are you going to release your programming/sketch of the arduino project?
not sure how much they are but pH automation has been out for awhile now. either for public pool systems and hydroponics. unless it's just for learning and maybe money savings?
nice video. Are you aware that air bubblers raise ph levels naturally? Adding air to the water removes carbon dioxide or carbonic acid; water + carbon dioxide; effectively removing acid from the water increasing ph levels. If you use a more nontraditional method of aeration; water fall 12" or more, you will find you will only add ph once and th ph will not drift any further and your water will be aerated without loss of acid, saving money on ph up. I am also working on an automatic ph system using arduino. I have completed code, just not starting any testing yet. have you considered adding a third persistolic pump to add just water to your mix before adding to the tank?I I like the automatic ph systems. namaste
here is a link from some pool folks for further reading if you are interested, from the pool crowd. I learn from everyone that is what I do. www.troublefreepool.com/threads/17107-Why-does-aeration-cause-an-increase-in-ph
Avid Lerner I was just thinking about doing this using one of those. Did you test your code yet and is it on github? I am thinking about writing something similar.
bad ass.. being an ex electrical engineer now a state licensed grower I really dig this. great work. clean lines.
I don't even run a reservoir and I'm already thinking about this. You'll be the death of me yet Sir! Great work as always on all fronts, the build and video
Ha!! I super knew you would do this!! As it came up on the round table and more and more people in chat asked about it ...then you touched on the aquarium controllers ...I knew it was on!! You never disappoint sugar! 💚 3 minutes in and I can't wait to see how it goes! (Not to mention I'm totally enamored with the way you say peristaltic😍)
hey Hatty, !! thanks so much for stopping by and showing the luv. cheers
I do appreciate these types of videos that you post. I've already learned and applied a lot of the LED information you've shared before. The trust is there bro. This stuff just makes me want to #1 continue to to improve as a grower and #2 continue to spend more money on cool shit like this. Lol I love it
Good shit man its a great idea and its even better that u actually went on with the thought and mastered it and made a full professional looking and working build of it.
Anyone thats got negative things to say about this vid are just making themselves look stupid.
100% man u got talent.
The DIY GURU👍🏼 Great stuff, please keep these type of videos coming!
Brings me back! Had a similar setup when i was running an aeroflow 60, PH was constantly drifting up, dosing pump and Milwaukee controller did the trick.
super bad ass! in such a small test tank I'm surprised you got it to settle! I could imagine slowing down the pumps with lower voltage (essentially what diluting did) would help with control for some folks.
Recharge is so great. I have watched it work within 2 days noticeable. Love this auto water control too.
Love it. Once she stabilizes after your initial water change it should be smooth sailing. God i hate doing my ph. Great job man and keep rocking.
nice grow hack! that light is looking dope in the background as well
We love the torus hydro pod! Works awesome for keeping the pH at a steady range. Never spikes above 6.5. Suuuper efficient way of keeping RDWC and hydro systems regulated
Ty for the amazing video. You make smalltime growers like me happy with all these DYII projects that are amazing.
I love your stuff, it grows high-tech weed! To answer your question at the end, we just want more Growmau5!
Woody Woody moar anything?? Peace woody :)
ANYTHING! Peace high tech homie :)
I learn somthing new every time I watch ur vids mate ,I just wish I had your skills to recreate it lol ,growers love from the uk ✌️
You are the boss on the DIY tech stuff Growau5. Many thanks...
Sweet, seems like automation has been the theme around these parts last week or so, another great piece of info
Thanks
Built the same one with identical parts and cost me about 350$ CAD total (Half the price of the Bluelab controller), just got it set up and doing a test run but so far so good. I opted for a 30:1 mixture because it was using so much of the 50:1 solution. Next step is setting up 5 gallon pales with PH up and PH down solutions and wiring up a float switch to shut off the controller when the solution runs out to prevent the pumps from burning out.
9 hours later and it's working perfectly, it kicks on once every 9 hours when the PH gets to 6.02 (high setting) and brings it back down to my low setting (5.81) in about 30 seconds without using much solution at all.
always a pleasure watching you guys..all brilliant..
You are a gentleman and a scholar kind sir. Thank you for this info.
I don't do hydroponics at all but I still thought this was a great idea and it made a interesting video, I wouldn't have even thought that it would be possible to set something up like that
very clean and inspiring work. If I used flood and drain I would build one of these right away.
Using similar skills and components, you could make a flow battery for high energy backup storage.. pair it with some solar, wind or hydro power and you've got a complete energy solution. Not only would you have backup power, but you could take your entire operation off the grid.
Dude I love your work so much you're an inspiration. However i just don't have the skills required. What I'd love is for you to make a playlist of introductory tutorial videos....electronics 101....parts 101....tools to learn and practice projects 101...before i grow confident enough to attempt some of your insanely awesome projects.
Thank you for this video. I travel so I needed the automation and ... it works great! The plants are loving steady/stable pH!
Even if I never make this project, I had never heard of a "project box" before, thanks. Very cool, I've got a few projects that could use those.
As a student in automatisation I really like this video
Yup that's awesome love this kinda stuff your lights are amazing thank you
Great vid, thank you. I just ordered all the goodies to build this. PH is the Bain of every hydro grower’s existence. I could not find a dual system anywhere.
how did you make out?
Very well Ken. If I knew how to post a pic I would lol I tried a couple different ratios for both PH up and down and landed on 20:1 for both. I have a 75 gal res feeding 8 25 litre totes (ea holding approx 15 litres) RDWC. Works good but I wish there was a way to pause after a dosing to give the entire system a chance to adjust.
If someone could design and build an affordable system that doses ph up/down and ec that would be amazing. For EC you could have a target with a ratio mixture from 4 or 5 peristaltic pumps. For example if you were looking for an ec of say 1.2 it would dose the desired ratio ie 60% from peri 1, 20% peri 2, and so on. I think you have the know how to build this.
@@kencochrane1006 see comments below.
Holy, I like this guy more and more every video.
hostilesinbound 😍👍
I built one very similar using the same controller. It is working perfectly! The only diff was I bought pre wired adjustable pumps...it was cheaper. Nice idea and TY.
Love it man! Always breaking down all the details!
Was thinking of figuring out how to do the same thing, you did it and did it so well. Amazing
That's a great build,love the stickers to.
Really cool, never seen a DIY one before thanks for sharing brotha
Just an observation for what it's worth; Try putting the probe back on the other end of the tank and increase the sample rate of the controller. In process control of this type you generally don't need a PID, just a PI or a straight proportional control. But give the dose time to effect the whole tank and get mixed in by increasing your sample rate.
Enzyme Komplete, killer product, and will help stabilize the pH. Awesome how to, before u know it, everything will be DIY in your garden
Awsome job, love your channel! keep on growing XD
Great build nice and clean.. need to get a project box for my temp controller useing a old plastic box. great job on the trial and error on the solution ratio, hope this works out for u.. peace and blessings
you are a guru keep making these videos man
Thankful for this video. Helpful in my research on building flower room aeroponic systems with off the shelf components. Aeroponics would for sure need some guy or gal checking the PH of reservoirs on a constant basis, unless you can PH automation. EC does not fluctuate as much as PH in hydro, so unless it is on a larger scale, I think a lot of DIY full flower aero set ups can run fine with just PH auto control. Eventually I want to have both, but I just don't operate on a large enough scale to make the EC auto control nearly as important as PH.
You think you could work out a water level sensor? Alert for low and overflow?
shaking ph solution isn't gonna matter. Its just phosphoric acid and potassium carbonate, they wont "settle out". Issue with the pinpoint controller in general is there isn't a adjustable delay. Those units were mainly designed for Co2. Making something like this out of arduino wouldn't be difficult, you would just have to source for some decent pH probes. You also have to keep in mind those probes have a limited life most of them are only rated for like a year of use.
Maaaaaate. You are a dead set legend. This is awesome 👏🏻 thanks for sharing.
bad ass GrowMou5! thank you so mush for this video! I hate PH'ing with a passion! I'm definitely going to build this even though Im swithing to super soil and eventually no-till, but I will probably play around with hydro. Thank you again for sharing the info. It helps out tremendously!
Many thanks and kudos Brothah Man ...being a bit geeky myself, I'm eating these vids of yours up !!!
Keep up the great work...haters, as you know, are always gonna pick shit apart.
Peace
Pheno Jack I appreciate it Jack. I get that this project isn't for everyone & living soil doesn't req this complication or expense. But sometimes a guy just wants to make something cool & show the world. Cheers brother!
Thanks for sharing dude! I've always been under the assumption that if you go too far one way to start over cause you don't wanna use both up and down. But either way this is definitely good info.
sweet build dude!!
Going to build one for sure. Along site res temp control
dam you make me want more stuff lmao. cool as all ways growmau5 and looks like the light from your last video is coming along. looking forward to that video hope northern refill stock soon so you can post
chris coffey me too. !!
ADA tank, nice! If you have run fish tanks have you ever thought about UV filter in the res for your grow?
won't UV kill the good bacteria as well?
always good information.
Nice job like to see more 👍👍👍✌️👀✌️💨💨💨
that was a bad ass video!! keep them coming!!
Really freaking cool! Could you do this in a cheaper manner if you were to get an arduino and get some kind of pH sensor with those same pumps and chop off a chunk of the price?
absolutely, an arduino and 2 relays would do it soooo much cheaper.
instead of giving it such a small window as the 5.9-6.1 would opening the window to around lets say 5.7-6.3 to turn the dosage pumps on less barely using any ph up? Or even better 5.5-6.1 as most waters in the states have high ph. The window for the 5.5 will allow enough ph down to be dumped without having the ph up kick on and fight each other. I noticed with my water the ph will drop to around 5.5-5.8ish then always rise to 6.0 just because it has to get fully mixed in. I believe when you further diluted the mixture its essentially "widening" the window but from the mixture as it has more time to gradually change the ph of the water saying within the (+-)1 rather than giving a larger window so it can fully mix in the res and give a "correct" ph value not the value of the "ph swing". Just some thoughts, I try and use the bare minimum of ph up/down cause it can through nute ratios off! Love the vid!
you are absolutely right! just simply opening up the window to 5.8-6.2 made a world of difference & no more YOYO effect.
As usual very helpful information from growmau5.
Nice @Growmau5. Thanks for adding another project to my list! ;-)
sorry for adding to your work load, lololol. cheers
no till here, but definitely like the ingenuity tech of the mou5, good info 👍👍👍.. jebao is what was talked about friday on the round table as well, they have some pretty cost efficient stuff (dosing pumps and submersible ect) mou5 you still have a tank ?
you are a living Messiah of cannabis growers everywhere
that was so cool i had to watch it twice!
Did you make a video while filming a live video? Videoception! Good stuff man. Also you really need to get yourself a set of punches and a set of transfer punches. You'll thank me in the long run when you don't have to redrill a hole due to it being off.
VIDEOCEPTION!
Nice setup, I'm building my system out of arduino and atlas scientific pH/EC for both veg and bloom res
Are you planning to make a video about this project? Because I also think about some PH automatic control based on Arduino.
Thanks.
Sweet set up mau5!
Amazing build. Well explained. Just what I needed! Subscribed!
WISH I HAD A BRAIN LIKE YOURS,LOVE YOUR VIDS.
Epic. Thanks for the vid, man.
😎👍 automation like a boss
once again, knowledge is cool, thanks.
is there a way to shut off the controller for the flood cycle of a flood and drain system?
You could use a digital timer to shut off the controller without issue. As long as it can keep it's settings after a power outage.
Bad ass vide mau5. What controller would you look into if you didn't have one already?
awesome!!!! you definitely got me thinking.
A GroLab Doser Kit can do this and more, but we get the DIY ;) Nice Job mate!
bro you make my life better
I absolutely love this
I think systems running this type of PH auto control should consider using small circulation pumps, in addition to air stones, for greater circulation of the up and down chemicals. I see that one of the issues in these tests is that the added up or down solution is not circulation fast enough.
grow to the M with an o-u-s-e burnin up the diy. 👏👏👌👍 and one of these - 🖖
It's been a couple weeks, how's it holding up? Any issues?
Hey Mouse, love your builds!!! What's the price dif between a home brew and a store bought ??
well the single pump bluelab is like $375. so i think its a little savings.. and having 2 way ph control.
I've read that pH bottles are not the same as nutrients bottles and don't need shaking. Thoughts? Maybe I'll give GH a call.
I have the same pH controller just laying around too... Cheers!
I like it. In 10 years we'll have a completely automated seed-to-cure garden by Growmau5.
And on the back was the power supply together with a dual pinpoint? How did you connect these pH dispensers to the device to automatically dispense pH-adjusting fluids?
Was just thinking of setting one up....@growmau5 is not only a diy guru & ganja farmer, he's also psychic!!
+growmau5 step drill is a great tool for making circular holes in the project box... would you have any advice on cutting 'square' holes in the plastic project boxes for square switches etc? thanx in advance
I wish I had a tool for that. perhaps a large "rabbit" or mortise and tenon cutter...?
PiKasso MusiK there is a tool called a square rasp I believe. It's like the step drill but it is square and is simply pushed through.
If the aquarium your first test run was done in was straight RO water, could the rapid fluctuation be a result in the lack of anything to buffer the PH? My guess would be if you repeated the test using the nutes you would be running in your res, a more concentrated PH +/-, your readings would not be as rapid or variant.
How long do you think the tubing in those valves will last? I imagine having pH down running through there even at a diluted level could be acidic enough to cause damage over time. Simple enough to just pull and replace a pump though. Nice setup!
John Othic the tubing in those pumps should be silicone... pretty inert. if there is an issue (after a while the tubing does wear out from the squeezing motion) the pumps I've seen are operable and you can put a new length of tube in, essentially rebuilding it in comparison to a piston pump.
im sure white is meant to be live wire and black is neutral - doesnt matter for this setup but just a heads up
btw really like all the tech you bring to your channel
and really like to know when you are gonna show some arduino automation - just started my self with arduino water automation :) and are you going to release your programming/sketch of the arduino project?
not sure how much they are but pH automation has been out for awhile now. either for public pool systems and hydroponics. unless it's just for learning and maybe money savings?
I know this is for ph but I have looked into using this to have a water res. Periodically drop nuted water on soil to sort of have an auto pilot.
absolutely, these peristaltic pumps are very versatile.
legend wait for it dary
i see what you did there. now SUIT UP!.
what sort of LEDs are you rocking on the side of that quantum board yo..??!! 😮
Chronikool Growz doe b xpg three.
growmau5 Sorry...i know this wasnt a LED video yo.. :)
Great vid brother!
Awesome!! Nice to know. Keep em comin
Thanks.
so... building this for a 40 litre reservior tank. think i'll add a circulating pump to the ph up or down outlet as well to mix while dosing
Yeeeeeaaaaaa boyyyyy love all you do bro.
Awesome work!
nice video. Are you aware that air bubblers raise ph levels naturally? Adding air to the water removes carbon dioxide or carbonic acid; water + carbon dioxide; effectively removing acid from the water increasing ph levels. If you use a more nontraditional method of aeration; water fall 12" or more, you will find you will only add ph once and th ph will not drift any further and your water will be aerated without loss of acid, saving money on ph up. I am also working on an automatic ph system using arduino. I have completed code, just not starting any testing yet. have you considered adding a third persistolic pump to add just water to your mix before adding to the tank?I I like the automatic ph systems. namaste
right on brother. thank for the food for thought. cheers
here is a link from some pool folks for further reading if you are interested, from the pool crowd. I learn from everyone that is what I do. www.troublefreepool.com/threads/17107-Why-does-aeration-cause-an-increase-in-ph
Avid Lerner I was just thinking about doing this using one of those. Did you test your code yet and is it on github? I am thinking about writing something similar.
What CCT would you recommend for one of your four led kits for a complete grow?
ph down is potent af. 1 drop will drop 20 liters from 7 to 3.
I'd use lemon concentrate and baking soda.
And that very sparingly.
what u need is a window like ph up from 4.5 to 5.8 and ph down from 7 to 5.8.
And only once a day. Doesnt need to continuous.
+Jungles Bongles anyway excellent work mane