Don't Call off the Search Too Early
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- A discussion addressing the urge to realise the truth and end seeking.
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I think I trust this man more on self realization then just about anybody else out there. I find a lot of speakers have a new age interpretation of this stuff all sprinkled with pixie dust and purple love aliens from a higher dimensional plain. It can be full of agenda and often seems very much like a cult or even a business. Not handling this subject well can put a lot of people off from taking the first steps to start the process of questioning what the self is...
Rupert is always very direct and clear and I thank him for that :)
I agree, he is more personal with us who seek spiritual fulfillment, others are too over the top. I felt some peace amazing thank you.
I agree. Rupert is very "skeptic" friendly. The clarity in his teachings are undeniable.
JPS JPS I absolutely agree. I wasted years of my life reading all kinds of unhelpful bastards who like to beat around the bush and act all Superman-like and advanced
Cool, then why are you here exactly?
+Floyd Interesting. Regardless of whether that is true, would it make a difference concerning the validity of his message? You can defame the individual, but if the message is true, it might not matter.
I'll be sticking with Rupert for a while I think. I trust and highly value his insights! I just want to be happy and I wish all suffering beings happiness.
The only thing that is appearing to stop you from enlightenment/self-realization/eternal life/knowing yourself to be unconditional love is identification with thoughts, emotions, sensations, perceptions and experiences instead of being aware of being aware and knowing yourself to be that unconditional love pure consciousness in which all thoughts, emotions, sensations, perceptions and experiences appear but are not inherently one with you; they are an expression of unconditional love; you are that infinite that is expressing itself as suffering/pleasure but inherently you are neither; you are that nothing/unconditional love/pure consciousness in which they are appear and by which they are perceived;
Suffering/pleasure comes and goes; there is an awareness that is aware of them coming and going; that you are; remember and know what you are; never identify with anything that is appearing within you; since it appears within you; it can't be you; you are that in which it appears. When you abide as that in which it appears instead of identifying; nothing has a grip on you; if anything comes; it quickly goes; like clouds passing; only if you identify as a cloud then it will appear as if the cloud is here for longer than it is originally supposed to; if you simply rest as the awareness and do not identify; it will quickly dissolve; be unconditional love by being aware of being aware; this is the highest; this is what you are seeking in absolutely everything else; you are seeking yourself; you are seeking unconditional love; but you are looking outside of yourself; instead of being aware that you already are unconditional love. Love love
Your verdict?
This video is absolute gold! There is so much here that I will be listening over and over again to take it in. Here are some notes I took while watching:
I am that which is aware of my experience. The nature of awareness is imperturbable peace. Questions to ask yourself:
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Do I, awareness, need anything from experience?
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In this moment, am I , awareness, incomplete?
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In this moment, is there anything in experience that could diminish my fullness?
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Is there anything in experience that could disturb my innate peace?
Contemplate awareness until its innate qualities of peace and fulfillment come to you, emerge in your experience. It starts with who am I? Inquiring about the nature of who I am. I moves to self-abidance, self-remembering, self -resting, being aware of being aware, resting the mind in its source, in its essence. In this resting, the innate qualities of awareness begins to make its presence felt.
The mind doesn't have to become completely still. There is no such thing as a still mind. Mind is the activity of awareness. There isn't a thing called the mind. Mind is the activity of awareness. The only entity present in mind is awareness or consciousness. The goal is not to have a still mind but rather to have a mind that is infused with the innate peace of awareness. The idea is for the activity of the mind to be informed by the peace of awareness so that the activities of the mind express the qualities of awareness - peace, fulfillment, love. Do you want a silent mind, or do you want to be happy? Its nice to use your mind. Its nice for there to be activities, relationships, etc.
So, this is a gradual reconditioning of the mind, all of the layers of the mind. The conditioning of the mind has deep roots, including feelings in the body. And, it takes time for the qualities of awareness to permeate all of the layers. Awareness moves from something that is no longer just in the background of your mind, your mind begins to be permeated by the qualities of awareness. The qualities of awareness gradually infiltrate your mind. There is more peace. That is then expressed in your life, in your activities, your relationships. Relationships become more intimate, more friendly, more loving.
Even Nisargadatta said at the end of his life that he just continues to get happier and happier. So awareness was continuing to permeate his mind more and more, even then. First the journey to God, then the journey in God.
Thank you for taking the time to share the road map to the process of awareness and abiding happiness. I really appreciate his perspective that conditioning of the mind was a slow process and is deeply rooted. It helps me understand why it’s going to take some time. I didn’t get this entrenched with misperceptions in a short time and reconditioning my mind with God’s help, teachers, fellow travelers and my consent to process the moments with a better ability will take some practice. What great revelations. Thanks 🙏
There is some confusion or misunderstanding with the teaching saying that "mind gets permeated with awareness" ...
If you think that you exist as body and mind which is permeated with consciousness ... Then it is not what this teaching is saying and this teaching says - that there are no objects that exist, only existence itself that appears as objects, including mind ...
So mind as an object does not exist to be "permeated" with consciousness. Mind is what awareness appears to be, it is the activity of consciousness ...
In Spira's words analogy:
It is like screen, what you see on the screen is only a screen that displays but all there is - is a screen.
Without screen you would not be able to see anything,
in the same way all your experiences take place in awareness. But there is no experience or mind that is permeated with consciousness, just as there is no such thing as screen permeated media ...
Good luck to all seekers.
"first the journey to God.. then the journey in God.." thanks, Rupert.
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Excelent! :)
Yeah in the fire and joy of gradual melting off ,bit by bit dissolving and then dissapering altogether in the source , so blessed to be chosen to be melted of , ah, all grace
Such a beautiful teaching
That statement by Rupert caught my attention at once and made an immediate understanding upon me (and others obviously).
Many probable visions occurred not the least of which the idea of going against the flow in a fast moving river vs turning around and going with the flow. Resistance vs allowing. The journey to God (from separation) to living in God (awareness of Oneness).
One more great spontaneous insight of Rupert “Happiness is the test of spiritual understanding”
Do not try to become "enlightened". Just do everything which makes takes you close to independent happiness. I think Rupert is spot on that for most of us finding "self realization" is a work in progress. However, do not see it as a path because that would only take you away from your goal by strenghtening the rol of a seeker. Love you, Rupert.
Love Rupert's patient demeanor. It points me toward what it means to be fully in the present, with no need to get anywhere, no need for the others to achieve anything, just total agreement with the present moment.
This is a goalless practice.
Beautifully articulated questions.
7:22 "what question could i ask to ..." try this one, it helped me "what am i not understanding, misunderstanding, what am i not seeing???" Ask yourself this sincerely and let it go. Newfound understandings will pour in flowing to you like waterfalls.. try it..
wow:)
@@zain4019 wow its great
I have such gratitude for Rupert’s teachings.
Dear Rupert, that is such a wonderful piece of wisdom. I'm grateful
18:15: = Even Nisargadatta,at the end of his life,when asked,said: "I just get happier and happier"
Finding companionship or a deepening of the search for Non Dual Realization on Facebook, for me, has been a failed experiment. For me personally it is a distraction and worse, a moving out of stillness, not into.
Several years ago I made a conscious decision to not get involved with a local Zen temple. I spoke a few time with the Roshi there and came to the conclusion, for myself, it too would be a distraction. I wanted it for the wrong reasons, I realized. I wanted to share the journey. To make friends and hang with a group of people who shared my dreams and goals. Who is it that has these dreams and goals? Who is it that wants to get lost in the story of friendship and worship? For me, for the past few years, there has been an intense a drive to go inward. A frustration with all that brings me out into the world. I am not talking about a celibate life or a life of "prayer and meditation". To my mind all that is also a distraction. I am talking about the practice of being aware of being aware. Of a self investigation so consuming that there seems to be death itself. It is more than just a practice, it is a sort of incineration of the self. A moth so attracted to the flame it has no choice but to surrender to it.
Most of the facebook non dual websites are a constant scrolling of sweet daily Non Dual Hallmark moments little digital placards with non dual tidbits, quotes etc. Some groups are filled with intellectuals some authentic and some want to be's whose only interest is to prove they know more than the next person. I find both catagories of thinkers equally challenging to my peace of mind. Ultimately we have Stillness, (Silence, Peace, Presence, Awareness) and I will make my stand there ( as Rupert Spira says). That is where Freedom will be found and no where else. I simply needed to see that the only way for me was to except my utter aloneness. There is free falling into the emptiness of nothing for no one. I just need to continue to surrender.
Yep.
Thank you for sharing this..
Love this! "... just needed to accept my utter aloneness."
@@BrianHealy666 whats next after the trip is over?
You speak from my heart!
❤🙏Thank you so much Rupert🙏❤️
"... permeated by the peace of God's infinite being." Wow! Mind-blowing, and beautiful. Thank you Rupert.
Man, Rupert never ceases to amaze. His clarification on Ramana Maharshi’s self inquiry method is so clear.
Also, the mind is not an entity, the mind is an activity.
Rupert is head and shoulders above 99.999% teachers out there.
So true he is a blessing
Please explain, if the mind is activity of consciousness, than who is doing self inquiry, is consciousness doing that?
mark rosinski the main point there is just to see how the mind and the self (small self) aren’t fixed. We think of them that way but it’s really just a constant narration that comes in after the fact to take credit for life that is really just happening. The brain is a thing. The mind is a verb. The self is a verb
mark rosinski The good news is... because self is a verb, it can be stopped.
@@markrosinski4814 I will share with you my method of realizing oneself. If practiced constantly you will reach the goal. When under the influence of any feeling, emotion, you must try to feel the I who is hurt. This is the most important. Observe until you can feel it clearly. This is difficult. While observing dont try to stop the feeling of hurt. Then continue observing the I without resisting the feeling of hurt. You will discover that this I is something focused or localized inside. Continue observation. You will find out that this I exist because you identified yourself with hurt. The hurt became alive. You became the hurt. If you continue investigation, you will discover that you are not the hurt, not this I, but this I is inside you. You will be aware of yourself as borderless something (i cannot find a word for that) and this focused I at the same time. And with your will you can stop the identification and the feeling will be stopped also.
Just listening to Rupert Sir, brings soo much of peace and urge to be better self.
Thankyou so much Rupert you are simply the best teacher of non- duality
you are patient kind and express the nature of peace contentment happiness, our true essential being so perfectly 🙏
Thank you Rupert for reminding me that self-realization is a journey, not a destination. I am just beginning to experience the impeturbable peace of which you speak. Not surprisingly, after each such encounter my mind brings me back to my 75 year concept of reality which is to be distracted by the multiplicity and diversity of objects. But, now Iam becoming increasingly aware of that "reaction" which is a wonderful sign to me that I am beginning to realize that there is a mental state within me that contains the perfect peace and happiness for which I have always sought.
Certainly enlightened compassion. Fortunate to have this ONE. Otherwise maybe lost in dogma and trying to decipher ancient scriptures that are a bit too complex for this generation.
So beautiful, so helpful,thank you!
The sign of a good teacher is how he can aid somebody in seeing things clearly. As Nisargadatta Maharaj has said: “the guru wants only one thing, clarity”. This is much more helpful than an intellectual expose using terms like Brahman, … (although it can help to offer some framework but it is never enough). Practical advice like Rupert gives is very valuable. The thing that stood out for me in this video is Rupert saying something to the likes of “don’t stop searching until you are fully satisfied”. It’s so simple to be fooled to think one is close to realization, one might get close to it, only to be challenged again and again by a (small) setback. The path to enlightenment is about courage, about perseverance to break the identification reflex with the mind/thoughts (and feelings). To me, Rupert’s words truly possess strength, because some of his words really enter at a level of understanding that I call, beyond the (intellectual) mind. Our true convictions are - to me - inexpressible and beyond expression, beyond mind. That is where some of the words can sometimes briefly hit me/convince me/teach me. I personally have these hits the most with listening or reading Nisargadatta Maharaj, but Rupert Spira is his own kind of teacher and he is able to penetrate my mental wall quite often. I definitely need to buy a book from him. Any recommendation is welcome :-)
Rupert is brilliant.
I think you're right. Doh!
yes, but it shouldnt even be felt. because feeling will stop you in the I Am. which is observed too. It should be just KNOWN. that's it, the recognition of that ends the search.
I think semantics are important. A bad word might stop you in your tracks and many get stuck on them.
"Feel" implies an action. "Knowing" or "Being" is better but of course not perfect too. No words are.
i find it so amazing how SOME PEOPLE love to impress upon others that HEY GOYZ I GOT IT AND YOU HAVENT by regurgitating something they heard from some dude who figured something out to imply that they are like them and not you stupid normal people! am i right Jimbo??
even more amazing how someone can think they have it and express such a passive aggresive attitude towards others, clearly demonstrating how little understanding they have and that they are still identifying with ego! what a funny world we live in!
Sri Ramakrishna: “There is a sign of perfect Knowledge. One stops reasoning. Just as I said that butter, when heated, crackles until it is thoroughly boiled”.
Ramakrishna was just a seeker. Nothing more
ramakrishna,rupert,rakesh sai,ramana,or krishna...seeker or no seekers...more or less...
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rakesh sai RAMAKRISHNA WAS THE GREATEST AVATAR, Dont fool yourself
⚡"Brilliant"⚡ can be said enough...
Such great questions! Thanks
I would like so much to ask Rupert so many question that discomforts me when I listen to him even as I drink in his every word.
So grateful for these videos. It is leading to salvation, so to speak. ❤
Thank you Brother !
Excellent topic and very nice explanation. Thanks for posting the vedio
Thank You so much for this question and this answer, it seems that Consciousness always knows what this poor I ist needing now. In Love ...
Rupert the real universal deal spira 👑
Seeking seems as necessary suffering. And, as Rupert teaches elsewhere, suffering is a message from Awareness or Grace that we are looking in the wrong places. So it is good for the searching and suffering to continue until the message is received...
nice way to start our Friday
Instead "I am awareness", the Buddha would said "This is awareness". Rupert has great wisdom and clear teaching.
Great great teachlngs...thanks Master...Namaste.✌
7:40 - Do I, awareness, need anything from experience? In this moment, am I, awareness, incomplete?
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19:33 - First, the journey *_TO_* god, then the journey *_IN_* god. Goosebumps. Thank you.
Call off the search but continue to dwell within the Longing . The longing in the is case is not an individual desire that is chased to improve the Story but a desire for freedom without relative physical or mental acquisition .
The longing is the most fundamental aspect of desire . It is desire without direction.
Now to the mans seeming dilemma. I believe he is asking how to become free when one realizes it cannot be accomplished via understanding .
This is where Satsang comes in. Satsang is NOT about what the master/teacher/ person in the front of the room is saying but a transmission of Freedom from self to Self , from Here to Here. Without this lively Transmission by the teacher , one remains in the minds belief that it can achieve freedom through understanding . Just one more insight , just one final “ i get it” .
"Do I awareness need anything from experience?
In this moment am I (awareness) incomplete?
In this moment is there anything that can diminsh my fullness?
Is there anything in my experience that can disturb my innate peace?"
What I seek is seeking me too🤗
To me, there is something so exquisitely perfect about this expression...another Rupert Masterpiece! In Deep Gratitude.
love these messages
11:00: = "Who am I ?" gives way to Self Enquiry which gives way to self abidance which is atma vichara
Gerard Grimardia my favorite part as well
Thank You so much.. for explaining the Now very clearly. You wont guide but places in place-less.. ''The entire novel is in the Present but mind needs time to read'' this one Your statement made the thinking machine disappear .. and then what Happens/not happens that who else knows better than YOU........__/\__
Secret is. There is constant unconsious, automatic identification with feelings, emotions and thoughts. This is the state called ignorance or sleep. You must be able to be aware of this identification. When you watch this constant automatic process you can feel your real self for a moment. Which is awareness. Constantly doing this you will be established in Chit. Awareness. But to be able to watch, feel requires sensitivity, pureness of mind etc. These are attained during long yogic processes.
Thank you for sharing this truth. The automatic process of reaction requires hesitation in order to move out of that conditioning. Cultivating increased sensitivity is a wonderful consequence to this next step of giving one additional space and appreciation of the layer that has formed. Deeply rooted like Rupert explained. It all makes such sense and is so practical to become an observer instead of a reactor. Next comes processing with different filters than I am used to using. So grateful to be on this journey with those who share wisdom of the inner journey. Thanks again.
Once we realise 'who we really are?' then is it necessary to ask this question again. I don't think so. Maybe just to remind ourselves but the enquiry does not have to be repeatative.
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Life only cares for feelings, wants to be felt.
If the feelings are deep, not just pleasurable, then there is deep understanding, where mind and heart are united. One thing cannot be divorced from the other. I would even say that understanding is first... and it is all.
9:20/ = Ramana Maharshi never taugh to repeat "Who am I ?"
Learnt something new, that the peace and happiness gets deeper and deeper
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Eckhart says Peace is the ultimate goal not happiness. Happiness for eckhart is a high from which we crash to sadness.
When you discover the obvious I am (awareness) inside you. That which is self fulfilled, lacks nothing and that which is within everything and has created everything. Just remember that that is just an image of the true I Am (God). Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. It was a wonderful yet scary experience discovering the true self. Btw God has already said who He is and cannot share His name with its creation.(Exodus 3:14 And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.)
Lucifer understood this and so did one third of all the angels. Be humbled and accepted that you are a beautiful creation.
I imagine my being as a crystal ball, the images and concepts, sensations, feelings etc, can pass through it and yet the ball remains completely unaffected.
Consciousness is a great puppeteer, pulling the strings and the puppet believes that it is the one alive and moving without strings.
Guys , i have experinced this peace of awareness Rubert is talking about like i know i am that but i dont really feel it during the day, i dont abide there. What to do?
Go there when you remember it and stay as long as you can. It is normal to go in and out of it.
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I've never heard a liberated speaker say give up the search. Total misunderstanding of adviata.
Northern Ireland Foot & Ankle Clinic agreed. I think it can be quite frustrating in the beginning when you find those teachers (who I won’t name here) that seem to point to this (“there’s nothing to do”), more than anything else. It is not helpful and is a hindrance
That audience member is challenging my inner peace.
The experience of the audiance member is appearing within you and therefor you challange your own inner peace.
But the continued dualistic language lends itself to confusion. There is no "body" and there is no "mind". There are just the so-called feelings, sensations, thoughts, etc, that are not "located" or "owned", and that emanate from and as a "program", which is essentially a software program.
There is no time for awareness
Sorry Rupert I already called off the search
What are you doing here, then... If I may ask?
I almost did as well, until I remembered who I really am in the moment. Pure I am awareness, just “ being”
Seeking can never be fully satisfied. Seeking is a hamster wheel that takes us nowhere. What we are seeking for us something that can not be lost, but we must ignore and resist it n order to seek after it.
I agree. Seeking is searching objectively. Searching for a future out come or goal.
I am the present moment, I can’t be in the past or future.
i am that which is aware of my thoughts... i can't name it but my mind thinks that the" i" in i am is an object, a material being who has a name, friends and family, a job perhaps (not in my case). that sense of awareness who has identified itself with that material being is actually "wrong" because nobody can experience my thoughts so nobody can experience me... it's impossible to be something material but at the same time it is. The mind is stil identified with something material and i guess that enlightenment is when you truly live your true being, that "nothingness" which has no name. is that correct?
What a piti. Nobody asnwers
Yes no thingness has no name, it’s an experience of “being” and just “knowing’
It can not be understood by the mind. It goes beyond the mind.
When your mind identifies you as your body and the material world it is the ego.
The mind and thoughts tell you that Your identity is you life story, your human experience.
Spiritual beings ( I am knowing awareness ) having a human experience.
I don't know how, but i briefly found myself in the space between two thoughts . How do i abide there? Something keeps pulling me back.....
You can't force it, as soon as you try, you lose it. It's a matter of practice and perseverance - but good to hear that you do recognise that empty space between thoughts. That's about where I am myself.
Keep going.. and see that the space you mention is the “screen” on which all thoughts appear and disappear. It doesn’t actually leave when a thought arises. So don’t think that a thought is taking you away from it :)
Thank you for your helpful insights...
But awareness is not there all the time. It comes and goes. I'm not always aware of awareness just as I am not always aware of thoughts etc. But Rupert says this is what you are because this is what is always there. This confuses me.
When you are firmly established it wont go. You are awareness. It goes because you are in sleep. You are Sat chit ananda. Awareness is chit.
Awareness appears to come and go because it’s over looked, particularly when you are engrossed in an objective experience or when you resist something that is happening now.
I try and always remember who I really am. I’m always here
Have you ever had an experience which you weren’t aware of? That would be impossible. All thoughts, feelings, sensations, and perceptions are possible only through being aware of them. Putting your attention on the awareness may come and go, but to say awareness comes and goes would be to claim you go through life sometimes consciously acting and sometimes blacking out and yet still acting. Hope that helps :)
What is I am? Lol as if that could not be known..
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