Yes I did in the landing gear strut videos. I used the little Cool Speed spindle cartages. But this tool has a lot more power. Also they sell different size angle head and keyway cutters that can be mounted on the motor/shank.
That tool is a simple concept but remarkable in its execution; thank you for sharing what it can do in your hands - well, spindle - and the manufacture of a test piece that would make an interesting coffee table piece for the kind of people I want to hang out with.
It will never stop blowing my mind that the Mazak knows where the end of the tool is, to the precision required, when you consider the complexity of the geometry of all the movements, or how it can move such massive, heavy lumps of metal, so quickly, to such precision.
Hello One friend of mine who is keen on historical machines asked me several year ago to make this oiling grooves to several bronze bushings. I think ID from 30mm to 150mm. In those days I worked with DMG CTX 420 linear with C axis. I grinded shaping tool of HSS and without any CAM support only on machine contol panel Siemens with ShopTurn I created programs. I was succed. Only when bushing was long, developed shape of curve was too steep it was dificult reach/grind corect tool geometry, undergrinded enought. have a nice day :-)
I just selected this for a test of the tool. There are other ways on a CNC machine to do oil grooves. The job coming up is what I would normally do with a tool like this. Wait for the video on that. Thanks!
Hey, I run a Mazak E410 (smaller version of yours) and just finished my apprenticeship. Your videos have been a great watch for learning purposes and ideas, also for entertainment. Thanks for all you do. Hi from scotland!
We use this style and the driven ones at the shop I work at on my 650 H. Coolant powered ones aren’t quite as powerful as the driven tools in my experience but I’ve mostly just done very large internal oil grooves with 3/4 bullnose and ball nose endmills. Very cool tool. I like the overall length compared to others.
Made me super nervous just watching 😬😄 You nailed it on the 1st go-around👍 That could be a real handy tool to have for specific jobs that come along 👌 Thanks for taking the extra time to video all of this…..really appreciate it🙏😊
That's a cool piece of tooling options are many. It makes sence that they would send it to you given your recent right angle work. I haven't had the pleasure of running a Mazak for a very long time when I did half the guys in the shop were critical of the control but I loved it. It was a lathe that had a conversational side with g-code also and you could switch between the two at any point in programming. It was really fast to program at the control it was a job shop so it was perfectly suited I thought it was great. Thanks for another great video
Thanks for the video. Interesting setup example for oil groves cut instead of using a more simple geometry and use the normal broaching. The spiral shape will distribute the oil much better. Will be interesting to see what comes next. Love the way you explain things and take your time to show how to align and makes all the tool offsets.
CLEVER and spooky at the same time... but the advantage for this right angle tool, is pretty neat... looking it up now from the link you posted.... I wonder if I could chuck up a few small diameter stone wheels for grinding aspects... Thanks for showing this.
I keep the same TI calculator on my workbench. I completely forgot they could store numbers to memory...I'm sure I knew that 20 years ago in high school but good to remember now since I'm constantly subtracting offsets like that.
Back in late 90's we were developing a product. It required a high temp(800degC) heat exchanger that operated with 600psi nitrogen. The part was 3" in dia duplex 347 stainless steel if my memory serves me. The piece was machined like a thick walled cup so was blind. It had a 1 3/4" hole bored 3 1/2" deep and had a semi spherical end at bottom of hole. We needed to put max number if fins inside it. We ended up cutting 60 fins 1/4" deep about 3" deep in the hole. I made up a chain drive attachment and auto indexing fixture and adapted a cheap mill drill. The chain drive drove a fine toothed sllitting saw 1 3/4" dia x .020 wide. We're hss "tin" coated..plain saw broke very quickly. Tin coating worked much better. Also adapted an automotive oil pump to supply straight cutting oil at 200psi down to the slitting saw. It took some trial and error but went on to make thousands of parts. Saws lasted around one shift. Could cut nine parts a day. We ran double shifts. Necessity is the mother of invention. Was a nasty messy job with fine sharp scarf. Even the filtering of oil was an issue. We used same system to finely fin alum coolers but 180 internal slots but only 0.014 wide but these were not blind and could do two at a time with three saws stacked up. Only took 10min to do a pair. Interesting times. Enjoy your videos. Amazing what you can get off the shelf now.
My boss would be really excited to show that off to visitors. "Look what we can do for you!😁" He loves to show off the four axis taper wire EDM stuff. A different profile cut with each pair of axes.
love the videos man, im just a lathe guy but watching you work with mill turns still teaches me a lot of things that I can use or learn from, very helpful very informational, keep em coming much love from the fellow machining world.
8:58 It's amazing you didn't lose the tool there. That eject could have dropped. Man, that would have sucked. Well, that was your good luck for the day. ;) Great video. Neat solid tool.
It is possible to cut them on a CNC machine with a full radius grooving tool but not in this elliptical shape I'm doing here. Its more like a steep spiral going back and forth. Oil grooves aren't this deep either. The whole intention of this was just to test the angle head.
Do you have a way to monitor the pressure on the coolant? If so you could measure free spinning pressure, cutting pressure, and stall pressure though it might not change much since this isnt a positive displacement motor. You could also use a magnetic speed sensor to pick up the flats on the tool holder to check speed and monitor for stall. Just some simple ideas from a heavy equipment technician.
I believe the motor in this devise is a positive displacement motor. Their specs talk about volume = a certain RPM. That kind of looks like a positive displacement. They have the specs on their website. Link in the description.
If I were to buy one of these for regular jobs that required this sort of tool regularly... I'd like to pay extra for a rpm feedback of some sort that can alarm out the machine if it can't maintain rpm, just like if you stall out the main spindle. I would be too stressed out to run it in production otherwise lol
Wow very nice. How do you like Esprit? I have been looking to get it to program our okuma multis mill turn, very similar to your Mazak, so far I really like the demos I have been reviewing.
The total depth was .125”. So I subtracted .002 for the last pass (call it a finish pass). Then divided the remaining .123 by 12 to get .01025 per pass. As I said in the video. I was being very conservative with the cycle. I didn’t want to stall it. There is no real feedback as to what is happening. I think it could do more than this. They also sent a 5-1 gear box (I didn’t use in this video).
Edge Precision. About the last video with different kinds of surface speeds. Can you make a video about different kinds of cutting dephts for finishing?
10:52 every time you hit "=" the calculator stores the result in a variable called "Ans", you can access this variable by pressing the "Ans" button netxt to the "=" button. So instead of 4.6075 - B you type 4.6075 - Ans [2nd + (-)].
Yes I am aware of that. I just have a habit of storing things just in case I need to recheck the calculation. But I do, and have used that function. Thanks!
Good morning, my name is Leandro, I am from Argentina. I really like his videos, I admire his knowledge and the dedication with which he explains in the videos. I don't know if he depends on you but I wanted to ask him if he can put the videos so that they come out subtitled in Spanish, and thus be able to better understand the content of his videos Thanks a lot. greetings from Argentina.
This shape yes. But there are some videos on UA-cam of machining oil grooves manually. Look at this clever example.ua-cam.com/video/TJH2q5ylJXM/v-deo.html
As insane as it sounds, we threadmill with these things… the hardest part is that we do it largely on the mill which means the spindle can be a bit dodgy for alignment and rigidity. But for aluminum it works.
Yes you can make bushing oil grooves with a thread mill or a threading or grooving tool on a cnc lathe. I this video I was just testing the tool. I don't intend to make oil grooves with it. It was just a test program. That I described looking like oil grooves in a bushing, in the video. But the shape you are making (With a thread mill) is two helices intersecting each other. Or in effect a right and left thread (A steep one). In the video I was milling ellipses on the ID of the bore. This shape is not possible with a threading cycle because the pitch continually changes going around the ellipse. from no lead at its start to a steep lead then back to no lead for half of the ellipse than back the same way. I did show in the beginning of the video the cam software simulation. Its kind of small so you probably can't make it out but the tool path is going in perpendicular, at all times to the bore. Like I said I have a possible job coming up that has sort of a cam profile in a bore. This tool will be ideal for this. Thanks for your comment, and yes if I was making oil grooves. I would do it the way you suggest. This is way overkill and takes to long for that.
@@EdgePrecision Hello. I know that you have Mazak, I worked on this. I thought Andrew Paul was working on a 5 axis machine. But it turned out that he cuts such grooves with a thread cutter. We are now setting up an angular head on a five-axis machine, CAM sistem SolidCAM. It uses CYCLE800. There are problems when writing a postprocessor.
@@user-hf6qn2fc4w The software I use is Esprit TNG. I showed this very quickly in this video. But in Esprit it depends on how the adaptive item (The tool) is defined. In this case it is defined as having another spindle as the 90 degree head has. This works with my post in Esprit. As far as SolidCam goes, I cant help you with that. You will need to get with their support for that. Cutting these grooves was just a demonstration of the 90 degree head I would not cut oil grooves this way either. But just something for you to think about. With a threading or grooving tool, you cant cut grooves with the elliptical shape like I'm doing in this video. If you use a steep threading cycle you are really cutting a forward and backward helix. Not a ellipse. In the middle of the ellipse the tool would be traveling straight down the bore. Something a threading or grooving tool can' not do, but the ball mill in the 90 degree head can. That's why I chose this for the demonstration.
One thing you could do is run a similar program on the outside of a shaft, so you can see what it's doing and practice with a few feeds and speeds to dial it in better. (mainly only if you needed to make a bunch of these).
The problem is no mater inside or outside you really can’t see anything. There is to much coolant. And of course you can’t turn it off, or you would break the tool. The little ones I made in the landing gear strut videos you could kind of hear them cutting. Because the speed was so high. Around 60-70 thousand RPM. This is more like 5-6 thousand RPM.
How are you liking the multichannel TNG I'm using the 20XX version and my esprit deal is still telling me the TNG is still not ready for multichannel for my NTX2500
It is working for me. I will say this. If I do have a problem their support is very good. Sometimes I have my problem solved the very same day. Or by the next day max. I really like the simulation as you see a little in this video. I can simulate even this 90 degree head accurately. Check for colisión very accurately and visually correct. You do really need a accurately defined machine model. They provided me one for the Mazak and worked with me to get it the way I wanted. In this video I show a quick view of their machine builder software that comes with TNG. With it you can build simulations of your machine, fixturing and as I showed tooling. It works almost the same as normal Esprit. The learning curve is very quick if you know Esprit.
They work great for cutting keyways however I prefer the gear driven one for obvious reasons. The coolant driven head would limit depth of cuts and feed rates.
Yes it would be possible to get the same path on a 5 axis machine. But you would hit the shank if your depth was as deep as I’m going here. I did this just for a demonstration. It’s not something I was really making. There are much more complicated things this could do.
Я всегда проверяю программы, отрабатываю в безопасной зоне. Всегда возможна ошибка, человеческий фактор. Машина не ошибается, ошибается человек и это нормально.
I guess you'd just have to break some eggs to find out what the work envelope is for that little bugger, eh? If you could measure the coolant flow rate, maybe give you a start on calculating effective spindle power to figure a material removal rate limit.
With Peter's coolant system, hes got a little over two horsepower available with this tool. Enough to drill 1/2" holes in 4140 -Kirk Batten, Eltool Applications Engineer.
Hello from Germany! Thanks for the video, can you do me a favour? Please drill a hole may diameter 5 or 6 in stainless steel, i like to show this my boss. The backround is that we have now support in Europe about this tool. Thanks and your videos are great! Regards from Germany!
I plan to do more videos with this tool. I will keep that in mind. When they sent me this tool it came with a 5-1 reducing gear box. In this video I wasn't using it. With that I'm sure you could drill a 6mm hole in stainless without any problem. I will be showing that in a future video. The real part I have in mind is some kind of steel. I will probably need to use the gear reduction.
why did you take all the time to measure this tool in the machine when you have a tool presetter that could have got your tool geometry within a couple thousandths? Is there an advantage to doing this at on the machine?
It just the way I normally do it. The tool setter has a Cat 50 taper spindle and this machine has a Capto 8 spindle. I do have an adapter from Cat 50 to Capto 8 but it is being used right now on the Mitsubishi Horizontal.
According to their data it is volume that makes RPM. But the coolant on the Mazak can get up to above 1000 psi. But this does depend on the coolant hole size in the tool.
That's an extremely expensive way of doing an oil groove, I've made 1000's of spiral grooved bushes over the years, simple 50 dia button face mill in a vmc, 2mins each in a 35 year old Matsuura.
Didn't you make something similar. Such great, informative. clear and concise. Thanks for your time and effort put into these videos. great work Peter
Yes I did in the landing gear strut videos. I used the little Cool Speed spindle cartages. But this tool has a lot more power. Also they sell different size angle head and keyway cutters that can be mounted on the motor/shank.
That tool is a simple concept but remarkable in its execution; thank you for sharing what it can do in your hands - well, spindle - and the manufacture of a test piece that would make an interesting coffee table piece for the kind of people I want to hang out with.
I can't imagine how anybody's mind can work as well as designing a machine with that type of capability, incredible
It will never stop blowing my mind that the Mazak knows where the end of the tool is, to the precision required, when you consider the complexity of the geometry of all the movements, or how it can move such massive, heavy lumps of metal, so quickly, to such precision.
Hello
One friend of mine who is keen on historical machines asked me several year ago to make this oiling grooves to several bronze bushings. I think ID from 30mm to 150mm.
In those days I worked with DMG CTX 420 linear with C axis. I grinded shaping tool of HSS and without any CAM support only on machine contol panel Siemens with ShopTurn I created programs.
I was succed. Only when bushing was long, developed shape of curve was too steep it was dificult reach/grind corect tool geometry, undergrinded enought.
have a nice day :-)
I just selected this for a test of the tool. There are other ways on a CNC machine to do oil grooves. The job coming up is what I would normally do with a tool like this. Wait for the video on that. Thanks!
@@EdgePrecision Yes, :-)
It was clear that the piece is only for testing, or to show tool ability.
I am looking forward to next video
Hey, I run a Mazak E410 (smaller version of yours) and just finished my apprenticeship. Your videos have been a great watch for learning purposes and ideas, also for entertainment. Thanks for all you do. Hi from scotland!
We use this style and the driven ones at the shop I work at on my 650 H. Coolant powered ones aren’t quite as powerful as the driven tools in my experience but I’ve mostly just done very large internal oil grooves with 3/4 bullnose and ball nose endmills. Very cool tool. I like the overall length compared to others.
Made me super nervous just watching 😬😄 You nailed it on the 1st go-around👍 That could be a real handy tool to have for specific jobs that come along 👌 Thanks for taking the extra time to video all of this…..really appreciate it🙏😊
That's a cool piece of tooling options are many. It makes sence that they would send it to you given your recent right angle work. I haven't had the pleasure of running a Mazak for a very long time when I did half the guys in the shop were critical of the control but I loved it. It was a lathe that had a conversational side with g-code also and you could switch between the two at any point in programming. It was really fast to program at the control it was a job shop so it was perfectly suited I thought it was great. Thanks for another great video
That's awesome they sent you a tool to test with, that's got to feel pretty neat.
Hey Peter, that is a pretty impressive piece of kit. The finish is spectacular. Cheers Peter from OZ
Thanks for the video. Interesting setup example for oil groves cut instead of using a more simple geometry and use the normal broaching. The spiral shape will distribute the oil much better. Will be interesting to see what comes next. Love the way you explain things and take your time to show how to align and makes all the tool offsets.
wow that is amazing. i learn so much watching this channel.
CLEVER and spooky at the same time... but the advantage for this right angle tool, is pretty neat... looking it up now from the link you posted.... I wonder if I could chuck up a few small diameter stone wheels for grinding aspects... Thanks for showing this.
Truly beautiful and mesmerizing work to watch. You are a master of your craft sir
Excellence and precision to the edge.
Interesting and informative, as always, Peter. Thanks.
I keep the same TI calculator on my workbench. I completely forgot they could store numbers to memory...I'm sure I knew that 20 years ago in high school but good to remember now since I'm constantly subtracting offsets like that.
Nice work as always Pete
This is aerobatics! I've always dreamed of working on such a machine.
Hi Peter, What a great tool for bearing bushings, or anything requiring oilways, greasways or even internal keyways.
buen video peter..gracias por tu tiempo..un saludo desde españa
Thanks for the content it looks great.
That is pretty fancy for sure. Keep on keeping on.
Back in late 90's we were developing a product. It required a high temp(800degC) heat exchanger that operated with 600psi nitrogen. The part was 3" in dia duplex 347 stainless steel if my memory serves me. The piece was machined like a thick walled cup so was blind. It had a 1 3/4" hole bored 3 1/2" deep and had a semi spherical end at bottom of hole. We needed to put max number if fins inside it. We ended up cutting 60 fins 1/4" deep about 3" deep in the hole. I made up a chain drive attachment and auto indexing fixture and adapted a cheap mill drill. The chain drive drove a fine toothed sllitting saw 1 3/4" dia x .020 wide. We're hss "tin" coated..plain saw broke very quickly. Tin coating worked much better. Also adapted an automotive oil pump to supply straight cutting oil at 200psi down to the slitting saw. It took some trial and error but went on to make thousands of parts. Saws lasted around one shift. Could cut nine parts a day. We ran double shifts. Necessity is the mother of invention. Was a nasty messy job with fine sharp scarf. Even the filtering of oil was an issue. We used same system to finely fin alum coolers but 180 internal slots but only 0.014 wide but these were not blind and could do two at a time with three saws stacked up. Only took 10min to do a pair. Interesting times. Enjoy your videos. Amazing what you can get off the shelf now.
Would be awesome to see some pictures of that setup!
You should engrave the inside now with the same tool as well. Good show of what it can do. Thanks for the video mate.
That was awesome!
That’s so cool!
That is one cool tool cheers.
My boss would be really excited to show that off to visitors. "Look what we can do for you!😁"
He loves to show off the four axis taper wire EDM stuff. A different profile cut with each pair of axes.
great looking cuts
love the videos man, im just a lathe guy but watching you work with mill turns still teaches me a lot of things that I can use or learn from, very helpful very informational, keep em coming much love from the fellow machining world.
:-) Always interesting and entertaining.
8:58 It's amazing you didn't lose the tool there. That eject could have dropped. Man, that would have sucked. Well, that was your good luck for the day. ;)
Great video. Neat solid tool.
Very cool! that would make some great lubrication grooves.
I have done some Machining in the past but nothing even imaginable like this 😲
thank you . regards richard.
Dude, those internal grooves are something else 😎
They're fairly common on bushings and bearings. It allows oil or grease to flow through the grooves and keep it lubricated.
@@calholli yeah, I see them regularly on bronze ones. Just didn't know how they were made until now
@@TheDandyMann they probably aren't usually made like this. I guess they would be cast or formed somehow most of the time
It is possible to cut them on a CNC machine with a full radius grooving tool but not in this elliptical shape I'm doing here. Its more like a steep spiral going back and forth. Oil grooves aren't this deep either. The whole intention of this was just to test the angle head.
looks good
i really like the mazaks, your machine looks sweet. id really like to operate it. nice job on the video
very cool!
it would be interesting to see that on a external operation
太厉害了 想比较小的工厂只能车 不过螺距 导程非常的大 转数很慢速度都很快 而且尖角处也没有圆弧过渡
我不知道这一切意味着什么？ 但是没问题。
Cool tool👍
Do you have a way to monitor the pressure on the coolant? If so you could measure free spinning pressure, cutting pressure, and stall pressure though it might not change much since this isnt a positive displacement motor. You could also use a magnetic speed sensor to pick up the flats on the tool holder to check speed and monitor for stall. Just some simple ideas from a heavy equipment technician.
I believe the motor in this devise is a positive displacement motor. Their specs talk about volume = a certain RPM. That kind of looks like a positive displacement. They have the specs on their website. Link in the description.
Nice job
If I were to buy one of these for regular jobs that required this sort of tool regularly... I'd like to pay extra for a rpm feedback of some sort that can alarm out the machine if it can't maintain rpm, just like if you stall out the main spindle. I would be too stressed out to run it in production otherwise lol
Edge Precision always doing it better!
What computer do you run esprit on? If you don't mind me asking.
I use a Alienware m15 laptop with i9 processor 64 gigs of ram Nvida graphics and solid state drives.
Thank you for your time and experience! Is there a load calculation to estimate what the milling head is capable of cutting? Thanks
They do have some information on their website about power calculation in relation to coolant volume and pressure. The link is in the description.
Thank you sir
The motor used in this is the same type of motor used in the old Eaton hydrostatic tractor transmissions.
Interesting? It would have to be quite a bit larger.
Super nice oil grooves. M
Who are you?
Wow very nice. How do you like Esprit? I have been looking to get it to program our okuma multis mill turn, very similar to your Mazak, so far I really like the demos I have been reviewing.
I do like Esprit TNG for the Mazak. I also have had very good success with their support on TNG.
It always bugged me if I couldn't hear the tool working when I was running any CNC. The new tool you showed seemed to cut correctly.
Very Cool, just curious how many cuts did You program to get to full depth on each groove?
The total depth was .125”. So I subtracted .002 for the last pass (call it a finish pass). Then divided the remaining .123 by 12 to get .01025 per pass. As I said in the video. I was being very conservative with the cycle. I didn’t want to stall it. There is no real feedback as to what is happening. I think it could do more than this. They also sent a 5-1 gear box (I didn’t use in this video).
Edge Precision. About the last video with different kinds of surface speeds.
Can you make a video about different kinds of cutting dephts for finishing?
I will think about the way I could demonstrate that. Thanks!
Is it weird that my career as a heavy equipment mechanic that Im watching this and have no plans of becoming a machinist
Nice info and it does look pretty good although not knowing what it is actually doing in there is kind of scary...lol.
10:52 every time you hit "=" the calculator stores the result in a variable called "Ans", you can access this variable by pressing the "Ans" button netxt to the "=" button. So instead of 4.6075 - B you type 4.6075 - Ans [2nd + (-)].
Yes I am aware of that. I just have a habit of storing things just in case I need to recheck the calculation. But I do, and have used that function. Thanks!
This is why I use a typical graphing calculator. It gives me a large window, and thus a viewing history of about 4 equations.
Sooner nice oil grooves
Good morning, my name is Leandro, I am from Argentina.
I really like his videos, I admire his knowledge and the dedication with which he explains in the videos.
I don't know if he depends on you but I wanted to ask him if he can put the videos so that they come out subtitled in Spanish, and thus be able to better understand the content of his videos
Thanks a lot.
greetings from Argentina.
Did you try to get Google to auto generate them? I have very little experience with doing subtitles. But I will look into that. Thanks!
That piece looks perfect to me, but what do I know
LOL a little nervous? reminds me of my first time cutting a thread on an NC
so cool! imagine trying to machine this manually?
This shape yes. But there are some videos on UA-cam of machining oil grooves manually. Look at this clever example.ua-cam.com/video/TJH2q5ylJXM/v-deo.html
As insane as it sounds, we threadmill with these things… the hardest part is that we do it largely on the mill which means the spindle can be a bit dodgy for alignment and rigidity. But for aluminum it works.
Yes you can make bushing oil grooves with a thread mill or a threading or grooving tool on a cnc lathe. I this video I was just testing the tool. I don't intend to make oil grooves with it. It was just a test program. That I described looking like oil grooves in a bushing, in the video. But the shape you are making (With a thread mill) is two helices intersecting each other. Or in effect a right and left thread (A steep one). In the video I was milling ellipses on the ID of the bore. This shape is not possible with a threading cycle because the pitch continually changes going around the ellipse. from no lead at its start to a steep lead then back to no lead for half of the ellipse than back the same way. I did show in the beginning of the video the cam software simulation. Its kind of small so you probably can't make it out but the tool path is going in perpendicular, at all times to the bore. Like I said I have a possible job coming up that has sort of a cam profile in a bore. This tool will be ideal for this. Thanks for your comment, and yes if I was making oil grooves. I would do it the way you suggest. This is way overkill and takes to long for that.
Hello! tell me please, do you use an angle head on a five-axis milling machine? What stand do you have Siemens?
@@user-hf6qn2fc4w If you are asking what control this machine has? It has a Mazatrol 640m Pro. And yes it is a five axis machine.
@@EdgePrecision Hello. I know that you have Mazak, I worked on this. I thought Andrew Paul was working on a 5 axis machine. But it turned out that he cuts such grooves with a thread cutter. We are now setting up an angular head on a five-axis machine, CAM sistem SolidCAM. It uses CYCLE800. There are problems when writing a postprocessor.
@@user-hf6qn2fc4w The software I use is Esprit TNG. I showed this very quickly in this video. But in Esprit it depends on how the adaptive item (The tool) is defined. In this case it is defined as having another spindle as the 90 degree head has. This works with my post in Esprit. As far as SolidCam goes, I cant help you with that. You will need to get with their support for that. Cutting these grooves was just a demonstration of the 90 degree head I would not cut oil grooves this way either. But just something for you to think about. With a threading or grooving tool, you cant cut grooves with the elliptical shape like I'm doing in this video. If you use a steep threading cycle you are really cutting a forward and backward helix. Not a ellipse. In the middle of the ellipse the tool would be traveling straight down the bore. Something a threading or grooving tool can' not do, but the ball mill in the 90 degree head can. That's why I chose this for the demonstration.
Do you have any control over coolant volume and pressure?
There is a screw to restrict the flow. I also have a 5-1 gear reducer they sent with it. In the next video I plan to show more about these things.
Да классно получилос. 👍👍
pretty damn trick
Do they give you any kind of anticipated horsepower based on how much coolant pressure?
There is data on their website. The link is in the description.
Peter's coolant system allows the tool to have a little over 2 horsepower. -Kirk Batten, Eltool Applications Engineer.
👍👍👍👍👍
I'd be curious how it handles steel with low feeds
They also sent a 5-1 gear reducing box that mounts between the angle head and the motor/shank.
One thing you could do is run a similar program on the outside of a shaft, so you can see what it's doing and practice with a few feeds and speeds to dial it in better. (mainly only if you needed to make a bunch of these).
The problem is no mater inside or outside you really can’t see anything. There is to much coolant. And of course you can’t turn it off, or you would break the tool. The little ones I made in the landing gear strut videos you could kind of hear them cutting. Because the speed was so high. Around 60-70 thousand RPM. This is more like 5-6 thousand RPM.
@@EdgePrecision Oh I see what you mean. It's driven by the coolant, and it just keeps you in the dark the whole time. (70k RPM is nuts. lol)
How are you liking the multichannel TNG I'm using the 20XX version and my esprit deal is still telling me the TNG is still not ready for multichannel for my NTX2500
It is working for me. I will say this. If I do have a problem their support is very good. Sometimes I have my problem solved the very same day. Or by the next day max. I really like the simulation as you see a little in this video. I can simulate even this 90 degree head accurately. Check for colisión very accurately and visually correct. You do really need a accurately defined machine model. They provided me one for the Mazak and worked with me to get it the way I wanted. In this video I show a quick view of their machine builder software that comes with TNG. With it you can build simulations of your machine, fixturing and as I showed tooling. It works almost the same as normal Esprit. The learning curve is very quick if you know Esprit.
Thanks that's helpful I'm using tng for my NLX2500 just not the NTX but I soon will Thanks again
Is this the company that you were trying to get for the strut?
I did show their tools in those videos. But for those parts I decided to make my own.
@@EdgePrecision I recall that you made your own. I just couldn't remember the name of the prospective vendor.
Thanks!
@@mattmanyam I think he used Coolspeed for those parts, the ones where he had a slip fit with 2 bearings.
Do you think this would be a viable tool for cutting keyways?
I put the link in the description. Go to their site. They make a tool for cutting internal keyways.
They work great for cutting keyways however I prefer the gear driven one for obvious reasons. The coolant driven head would limit depth of cuts and feed rates.
There is another advantage to gear driven ones. It is possible to tap with them, not with this coolant driven one.
Ahhhh that’s right! Thanks for that fyi I can see that coming in handy.
I program and run a few Mazak Variaxis machines. I think I could have done this With a Harvey lollypop tool Tilted on an angle. What do you think?
Yes it would be possible to get the same path on a 5 axis machine. But you would hit the shank if your depth was as deep as I’m going here. I did this just for a demonstration. It’s not something I was really making. There are much more complicated things this could do.
The lack of feedback from the cutter must be strange.
You sort of just let it run and hope for the best.
Я всегда проверяю программы, отрабатываю в безопасной зоне. Всегда возможна ошибка, человеческий фактор. Машина не ошибается, ошибается человек и это нормально.
Да это правда. Спасибо!
When did you update the control system on the Intregrex?
I have never made any changes to the control on the Mazak Integrex.
@@EdgePrecision ok, for some reason I thought it looked different. Perhaps I'm confusing it with the control on the horizontal...
Hiya Peter
I guess you'd just have to break some eggs to find out what the work envelope is for that little bugger, eh? If you could measure the coolant flow rate, maybe give you a start on calculating effective spindle power to figure a material removal rate limit.
With Peter's coolant system, hes got a little over two horsepower available with this tool. Enough to drill 1/2" holes in 4140 -Kirk Batten, Eltool Applications Engineer.
Hello from Germany!
Thanks for the video, can you do me a favour?
Please drill a hole may diameter 5 or 6 in stainless steel, i like to show this my boss.
The backround is that we have now support in Europe about this tool.
Thanks and your videos are great!
Regards from Germany!
I plan to do more videos with this tool. I will keep that in mind. When they sent me this tool it came with a 5-1 reducing gear box. In this video I wasn't using it. With that I'm sure you could drill a 6mm hole in stainless without any problem. I will be showing that in a future video. The real part I have in mind is some kind of steel. I will probably need to use the gear reduction.
@@EdgePrecision
Thanks for fast feedback, i hope we can order it to use it in Germany.I just little scare about support, we will see.
Thanks !
You can get Eltool corner heads from us, also specials and product support. We have delivered more than 30 Eltool angle heads to central Europe.
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why did you take all the time to measure this tool in the machine when you have a tool presetter that could have got your tool geometry within a couple thousandths? Is there an advantage to doing this at on the machine?
It just the way I normally do it. The tool setter has a Cat 50 taper spindle and this machine has a Capto 8 spindle. I do have an adapter from Cat 50 to Capto 8 but it is being used right now on the Mitsubishi Horizontal.
What pressure do you need to run that tool?
According to their data it is volume that makes RPM. But the coolant on the Mazak can get up to above 1000 psi. But this does depend on the coolant hole size in the tool.
interface looks like windows 95
Windows 2000.
haha .. I was confused when I see your hand .. your voice sound like ur 20ish .. but your hand look alot older :D
I am 68 years old.
@@EdgePrecision to run a machine like that it needs someone with alot of experience.. the last thing you wanna do is crash :)
That's an extremely expensive way of doing an oil groove, I've made 1000's of spiral grooved bushes over the years, simple 50 dia button face mill in a vmc, 2mins each in a 35 year old Matsuura.
It’s just a test of the tool. As I said in the video. It resembles oil grooves in a bushing.
You have that already.
You used it on the air plane strut. M
No those were different one that I built.
Сделай так руками, а не на чпу!)
What esprit cycle did you use for this?
Wrapped contour cycle.
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