I'm new in Learning draw stuff like faces an body autonomy... So my question is...does is important to learn Loomis drawing technich for everything about drawing cuz when I watch guys like Kim Jung Gi he sometimes draw with that technich an sometimes not... I'm lost right now... Some people on UA-cam draw without that technich an again some draw with that technich,Faces, body's etc etc What's you think?! Please help me... P.S.my English is bad I give my best to understand me... Thank you.
I'm so glad you've been collaborating with him lately. I've been studying his style and the way he approaches a portrait. Also like the size in which he draws portraits, it's fairly small and lately I've been doing the same. Soon I'll be doing upper body studies like the ones shown in this video, at about the same size.
I definitely don't think you neeeeed to know the names of everything to know what they are. A lot of visual thinkers just can't commit vocabulary to memory for the life of them. But certainly the more it's studied, the more likely the words are to stick. Great video, thanks guys!!
I'm a guitarist and composer, and it's amazing how much of this conversation has meaning to me musically. Sure, you can pick a bunch of notes and put them in sequence, but that is not likely to produce something as good as one that grows from organization and theory knowledge. Your better off learning the rules before you break them. Cheers.
One of the most important features I can comment is how he highlights the importance of names. Some artists ignore the names and spread the idea "it's crap", I mean, maybe you don't have to remember ALL names, but for me it's great to know and I think, as Stan said, once you understand the muscles, it's easier to name. The legs, for example, what really helped me beyond theory, practice and observation was to be able to name the muscles, see who was missing. The upper body is much less chaotic than the lower body, so names helped a ton.
"The upper body is much less chaotic than the lower body" The forearm: Hold my beer. The serratus external oblique pectoralis intersection: Hold my: Jug
@@Sky_TEC_Illustraition_Systems I mean the muscles of the legs can have chaotic intersections too. The forearm is indeed chaotic, but nothing like studying every muscle to make it easier! I don't find serratus as difficult as forearm tho.
Interesting! The reason I watched this was because of 2 names I like to watch - Stan Prokopanko and Stefen Bauman. What was of interest to me was what Steph/fen Bauman had to say about anatomy when I know him as a landscape artist. I am interested in figures. This is opening up new vocabulary for me - and, of course, more skill learning.
At 7:35 ,What kind of model is he referencing? It sounds interesting but I don't know how to spell it. Edit: Ok, after alot of Googling and guess work, it's Écorché if anyone else was wondering. lol
@@yvonneoy3124 well, the amount of information that is presented in the course is well worth the price. First, Proko teaches you the bone structure and its proportions. This is extremely important to understand the origin and insertion of muscles. By knowing this, you stop guessing whether a muscle goes "here or maybe there". Then he teaches you the general shape of then bones and how to draw them in 3d form. After this knowledge is acquired, you proceed to learn about the muscles, their shape, function, antagonist muscles, names, etc. Also, the amount of examples he provides allows you to see what a pro is like him is thinking when constructing the form. One of the things I love the most about this course is that it has allowed me to create characters with super cool anatomy. I started "bending" the rules and I am pretty happy with the results. On the other hand, this is NOT a beginners course. It can be very VERY frustrating. I for once didn't follow the course as it is intended. I jumped straight to the muscles only to realized that my proportion on the bone structure was really bad. I started again by following everything he says and saw great improvement. Like he says at the beginning of the course, anatomy takes years to master. Don't lose sight of your goal though, I dont know how "good" you are as an artist, but don't get discouraged nor impatient. This course will break you only to make you great at anatomy. I hope this helps :)
Great interview! I am working on Juliette Aristides' Figure Drawing Atelier and Stephen's work "Other Voices" featured in it is just beautiful. PS Also great to see a lot of Proko's work in it, of course😁
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I've seen a lot of Stephen's videos of late and this one was very intriguing. I was taught drawing at art school using observation methods that included shape recognition, proportion and relative position and so on, but not by using anatomy and I admit it doesn't interest me much and I don't feel I draw less well for it. Nonetheless Stephen obviously excels using this approach. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
About proportions in perspective that you guys talked about in 15:00. There's an artist called "Krenz" who uses an interesting method.First he do a 2d,front and side diagram using head units to measure the proportions.And then he uses simple forms to adapt those same proportions,but with perspective applied. I tried it many times and it helped me a lot to visualize models into perspective,while also having good proportions. I think if you do that while also using some techniques from perspective books like the Scott Robertson one or Marcos Mateu Mestre,you can get very accurate results.
If the artist is great it became amazing it doesn't matter it is cheap or premium quality pencil It teaches us that we don't need expensive materials for drawing.. Am I right....Sir ??
Boa tarde, Proko. Você poderia fazer um vídeo falando sobre essas estatuetas usadas para praticar desenhos e como compramos também. Parabéns pelo canal.
I also saw your videos on the anatomy of the facial features, so I was thinking, could you make a video on the anatomy of other creatures like a dog or cat?
Artistic anatomy, Paul Richer (the book that Stephen Bauman recommends in this interview) archive.org/details/artisticanatomy0000rich Figure drawing desing and invention, Michael Hampton archive.org/details/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-an Drawing Course, Charles Bargue archive.org/details/C.BargueDrawingCourse The human figure, John Henry Vanderpoel archive.org/details/humanfigure00vanduoft Complete Guide to Drawing from Life, George Brigman archive.org/details/pdfy-72f-FzW7wYN_r0ny Der nackte Mensch, Gottfried Bammes archive.org/details/GottfriedBammesDerNackteMensch Struttura Uomo Manuale Di Anatomia Artistica Vol 1 archive.org/details/StrutturaUomoManualeDiAnatomiaArtisticaVol1, Neri Pozza Struttura Uomo Manuale Di Anatomia Artistica Vol w archive.org/details/StrutturaUomoManualeDiAnatomiaArtisticaVol2, Neri Pozza
I’m an amateur artist but a learning expert. Rote memorization (in this case, of the names of body parts) is the FIST step in the FASTEST route to a THOROUGH understanding of a subject. The reason is that it is the framework you build upon which you will then immediately hang every new piece of information you acquire about that thing. Since that body part already exists in long term memory, it’s like having a shortcut to long term memory for every new fact; a place to anchor it.
Could we say the drawing approach of this kind of artist and cesar Santos too are the opposite of jung Gi Kim approach? Copying shapes from life to the canvas vs building 3d structure from imaginations... I've always wondered how good are the first ones in drawing from imagination...
Didn´t knew Sylar was such and incredible artist... but considering he use to steal peoples powers by open ther skulls it makes sense he is so into anatomy :)
@@yanis5746 Thank you! Idon't mean to flex my meaty comedic genius brain right but this is only about 3/10 of my true comedy splendor. Urrrgh, my brain juices will straight comedy genius, it h u r t s.
Like... if you like the video, like... you know, like... you enjoyed the content, like... if you’re interested in, like, drawing and, like, anatomy... please hit the thumb up button!
I disagree, the right displays more technical skill and effort to render in order to better resemble reality. And that's just a personal preference for style that I have :)
This interview is wonderful, but I actually asked a medical professional why this anatomical feature was not in all anatomical textbooks. He immediately provided a unique function and memories of examinations of it during dissection. He explained it is in textbooks. He was actually put off by the way Proko handled this comment in the interview. I was saddened to see that the artist I am passionate about is tarnished to a fellow artist because of a perceived us vs them thing between art and science. So if you're reading this Proko, here's a chance to address this. I know you don't actually believe you know anatomy better than an actual doctor or believe that doctors do not care about "important enough" features. Especially during a pandemic when medical professionals are laboring for our good, it is important to pay respect where it is due.
I´ve seen a lot of comments from spanish speaking countries that say they can´t understand so maybe I could translate, with this covid-19 I have nothing else to do lol... He visto muchos comentarios de gente de habla hispana que dicen que no entienden entonces igual y yo les puedo traducir, con este covid-19 no tengo otra cosa que hacer haha...
pero German que haces por aquí??? mira donde te encontré!!! también dibujas? que dibujas? yo sigo también a Why So Gurin, es buenísimo también pero mas dedicado al manga, saludos crack!!!
Jesus Christ, you gotta love that coracobrachialis....... wonder if anyone will even get that shitty reference or am i gonna be crucified in the comment section......XD wow its really obvious now, that was a classic ooo triple
knowledge of anatomy is cool but as for me the hardest is how to control material we use and methods of the expression i hate when i understand how it have to be, but ruin everything with one wrong move of brush, pen etc.
I have a really hard time with the names of the muscles. Yet i'm not that bad at drawing them from any angle by imagination. Maybe something is wrong with my brain😂😂😂
Silly question... looking for technique tip re your pencils... how do you Stan or Stephen (any of your viewers) sharpen your pencils with such a long piece of exposed lead to ensure the delicate touch when working on the drawing. I always break mine... very frustrating. Is there a better brand of pencil than another. Many pencils don't seen to be "glued" in their casing. Thanks.
I'm not Stan or Stephen, but yes, there can be a huge difference in quality of pencil as far as materials they are made from. I try to get artist quality ones that I can afford. Also, try not to drop them, as this can sometimes break the lead inside. Proko has a video on sharpening his pencils as well. Hope this helped.
Thank you so much! I absolutely love your videos. If you have a chance, please check out my new art-related channel, Art Awakening. Please continue to create your amazing content 😊 love and light-Jenna
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I want to learn drawing from zero experience. What order of your courses would you recomend?
I'm new in Learning draw stuff like faces an body autonomy...
So my question is...does is important to learn Loomis drawing technich for everything about drawing cuz when I watch guys like Kim Jung Gi he sometimes draw with that technich an sometimes not...
I'm lost right now...
Some people on UA-cam draw without that technich an again some draw with that technich,Faces, body's etc etc
What's you think?! Please help me...
P.S.my English is bad I give my best to understand me...
Thank you.
2 Art nerds talking about anatomy.
12,000 art nerds watching.
I'm so glad you've been collaborating with him lately. I've been studying his style and the way he approaches a portrait. Also like the size in which he draws portraits, it's fairly small and lately I've been doing the same. Soon I'll be doing upper body studies like the ones shown in this video, at about the same size.
This kind of deep and comfortable conversation about art is really valuable.
I definitely don't think you neeeeed to know the names of everything to know what they are. A lot of visual thinkers just can't commit vocabulary to memory for the life of them. But certainly the more it's studied, the more likely the words are to stick.
Great video, thanks guys!!
I'm a guitarist and composer, and it's amazing how much of this conversation has meaning to me musically. Sure, you can pick a bunch of notes and put them in sequence, but that is not likely to produce something as good as one that grows from organization and theory knowledge. Your better off learning the rules before you break them. Cheers.
One of the most important features I can comment is how he highlights the importance of names. Some artists ignore the names and spread the idea "it's crap", I mean, maybe you don't have to remember ALL names, but for me it's great to know and I think, as Stan said, once you understand the muscles, it's easier to name. The legs, for example, what really helped me beyond theory, practice and observation was to be able to name the muscles, see who was missing. The upper body is much less chaotic than the lower body, so names helped a ton.
"The upper body is much less chaotic than the lower body"
The forearm: Hold my beer.
The serratus external oblique pectoralis intersection:
Hold my: Jug
@@Sky_TEC_Illustraition_Systems I mean the muscles of the legs can have chaotic intersections too. The forearm is indeed chaotic, but nothing like studying every muscle to make it easier! I don't find serratus as difficult as forearm tho.
I love that you are helping people to draw and to draw in so many ways!
Please return with subtitles in Portuguese !!! Our content about drawing is very weak.
After listening to the opening song, my body is ready for Draftsmen Season 2 !!!
Those are some beautiful studies. It's really motivating.
Interesting! The reason I watched this was because of 2 names I like to watch - Stan Prokopanko and Stefen Bauman. What was of interest to me was what Steph/fen Bauman had to say about anatomy when I know him as a landscape artist. I am interested in figures. This is opening up new vocabulary for me - and, of course, more skill learning.
At 7:35 ,What kind of model is he referencing? It sounds interesting but I don't know how to spell it.
Edit: Ok, after alot of Googling and guess work, it's Écorché if anyone else was wondering. lol
Thank you
Well something is for sure, if you truly wanna master anatomy, Proko’s course is the way to go
Why? Please explain.
The reason I challenge you is that I've been contemplating taking the class.
@@yvonneoy3124 well, the amount of information that is presented in the course is well worth the price. First, Proko teaches you the bone structure and its proportions. This is extremely important to understand the origin and insertion of muscles. By knowing this, you stop guessing whether a muscle goes "here or maybe there". Then he teaches you the general shape of then bones and how to draw them in 3d form. After this knowledge is acquired, you proceed to learn about the muscles, their shape, function, antagonist muscles, names, etc. Also, the amount of examples he provides allows you to see what a pro is like him is thinking when constructing the form. One of the things I love the most about this course is that it has allowed me to create characters with super cool anatomy. I started "bending" the rules and I am pretty happy with the results.
On the other hand, this is NOT a beginners course. It can be very VERY frustrating. I for once didn't follow the course as it is intended. I jumped straight to the muscles only to realized that my proportion on the bone structure was really bad. I started again by following everything he says and saw great improvement. Like he says at the beginning of the course, anatomy takes years to master.
Don't lose sight of your goal though, I dont know how "good" you are as an artist, but don't get discouraged nor impatient. This course will break you only to make you great at anatomy. I hope this helps :)
But i am broke 😥
One is more modern the other classic but I could definitely live with both
Yes!
Me ha encantado cómo la punta del lápiz estaba super bien afilada...
Wow your drawings are amazing, thank you for sharing.
Amazing. Thank you.
Great interview! I am working on Juliette Aristides' Figure Drawing Atelier and Stephen's work "Other Voices" featured in it is just beautiful.
PS Also great to see a lot of Proko's work in it, of course😁
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I've seen a lot of Stephen's videos of late and this one was very intriguing. I was taught drawing at art school using observation methods that included shape recognition, proportion and relative position and so on, but not by using anatomy and I admit it doesn't interest me much and I don't feel I draw less well for it. Nonetheless Stephen obviously excels using this approach.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
About proportions in perspective that you guys talked about in 15:00.
There's an artist called "Krenz" who uses an interesting method.First he do a 2d,front and side diagram using head units to measure the proportions.And then he uses simple forms to adapt those same proportions,but with perspective applied.
I tried it many times and it helped me a lot to visualize models into perspective,while also having good proportions.
I think if you do that while also using some techniques from perspective books like the Scott Robertson one or Marcos Mateu Mestre,you can get very accurate results.
Glenn Keane didn't draw the anatomy overlay, they hired an anatomist to work on the project. I agree with the overall point though.
Holy cow what a great teacher 😱🤘
Cheers Steven!!
Great interview Stan and Stephen, Thank you for mentioning of the Robert Beverley Hale lectures, will look them up.
More more more more moooooore!
Enjoyed the pow wow. Wanted more pieces to talk over though. Hopefully the next 2 are have a few more pieces to see
OMG! I’ve beeeeeeen waiting for this!
If the artist is great it became amazing it doesn't matter it is cheap or premium quality pencil
It teaches us that we don't need expensive materials for drawing..
Am I right....Sir ??
So amazing ! I found a competent person
I subscribed to your channel 😊👍🏻
Thank you.
Today is day one for me. Where do I start from? I received all supplies you mentioned in previous videos.
El es fabuloso!!! gracias por esta joya!!
! ¡Proko es increíble!
I like your job bro
Anatomy ♡
Your video's are really helpfull!
"This is my excited voice..."
Thanks
Boa tarde, Proko. Você poderia fazer um vídeo falando sobre essas estatuetas usadas para praticar desenhos e como compramos também. Parabéns pelo canal.
I also saw your videos on the anatomy of the facial features, so I was thinking, could you make a video on the anatomy of other creatures like a dog or cat?
Awesome insights. I'm now motivated to learn anatomy. Any good books out there or tutorials for absolute beginners? Thanks
yeah, this channel lol
This channel !
Artistic anatomy, Paul Richer (the book that Stephen Bauman recommends in this interview)
archive.org/details/artisticanatomy0000rich
Figure drawing desing and invention, Michael Hampton
archive.org/details/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-an
Drawing Course, Charles Bargue
archive.org/details/C.BargueDrawingCourse
The human figure, John Henry Vanderpoel
archive.org/details/humanfigure00vanduoft
Complete Guide to Drawing from Life, George Brigman
archive.org/details/pdfy-72f-FzW7wYN_r0ny
Der nackte Mensch, Gottfried Bammes
archive.org/details/GottfriedBammesDerNackteMensch
Struttura Uomo Manuale Di Anatomia Artistica Vol 1
archive.org/details/StrutturaUomoManualeDiAnatomiaArtisticaVol1, Neri Pozza
Struttura Uomo Manuale Di Anatomia Artistica Vol w
archive.org/details/StrutturaUomoManualeDiAnatomiaArtisticaVol2, Neri Pozza
Dear Stanislav Prokopenko can you please do more stuff with Karl Kopinski Thanks
I have issues with skulls. Do you maybe have any tips to help me develop my skills on this area?
Sir please make videos on fabric folds .....
Please please please
2:27 I like the drawing on the left more
hello! is Draftsmen coming out soon?
Fascinating... Thank you for mentioning Robert Beverly Hale, because he's like my Godfather of anatomical drawing.
Wow, that's so cool.~^^
Very nice
such a brilliant artist,, you inspired me alot, thats why also stared my small youtube art channel
I’m an amateur artist but a learning expert. Rote memorization (in this case, of the names of body parts) is the FIST step in the FASTEST route to a THOROUGH understanding of a subject. The reason is that it is the framework you build upon which you will then immediately hang every new piece of information you acquire about that thing. Since that body part already exists in long term memory, it’s like having a shortcut to long term memory for every new fact; a place to anchor it.
Wow
I don't know why but I really want to break the tip of that pencil
N O
Could we say the drawing approach of this kind of artist and cesar Santos too are the opposite of jung Gi Kim approach? Copying shapes from life to the canvas vs building 3d structure from imaginations... I've always wondered how good are the first ones in drawing from imagination...
Didn´t knew Sylar was such and incredible artist... but considering he use to steal peoples powers by open ther skulls it makes sense he is so into anatomy :)
Cool.
First comment ! Thank you Proko 🧡
I would love to know where in Sweden Stephen studied art?
Ikea
@@psionicape AHAHAHAAAHAHA
@@yanis5746 Thank you! Idon't mean to flex my meaty comedic genius brain right but this is only about 3/10 of my true comedy splendor. Urrrgh, my brain juices will straight comedy genius, it h u r t s.
I believe that Stephen studied at the Florence Academy in Italy, and then later was an instructor at the Florence Academy in Gothenburg/Mölndal.
What kind of paper was he using
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1:50 I don't know, but I find the left drawing way more appealing to me than the right one.
The left drawing is more appealing to me too.
Maybe because there is more action? The left seems more appealing to me too.
I disagree, the right displays more technical skill and effort to render in order to better resemble reality. And that's just a personal preference for style that I have :)
It was more appealing for me too. Way much better looking in my eye. Not only the form but the shades and everything.
2nd season of draftsmen show plsssss!!
This interview is wonderful, but I actually asked a medical professional why this anatomical feature was not in all anatomical textbooks. He immediately provided a unique function and memories of examinations of it during dissection. He explained it is in textbooks. He was actually put off by the way Proko handled this comment in the interview. I was saddened to see that the artist I am passionate about is tarnished to a fellow artist because of a perceived us vs them thing between art and science. So if you're reading this Proko, here's a chance to address this. I know you don't actually believe you know anatomy better than an actual doctor or believe that doctors do not care about "important enough" features. Especially during a pandemic when medical professionals are laboring for our good, it is important to pay respect where it is due.
I´ve seen a lot of comments from spanish speaking countries that say they can´t understand so maybe I could translate, with this covid-19 I have nothing else to do lol...
He visto muchos comentarios de gente de habla hispana que dicen que no entienden entonces igual y yo les puedo traducir, con este covid-19 no tengo otra cosa que hacer haha...
Aunque no entiendo lo que dices trato de guiarme con las imagenes
Amigo yo pertenezco a Costa Rica y le entiendo todo
pero German que haces por aquí??? mira donde te encontré!!! también dibujas? que dibujas? yo sigo también a Why So Gurin, es buenísimo también pero mas dedicado al manga, saludos crack!!!
@@melodiasinger ._.XD
Ponle subtítulos
hello i am begginer and which book do you advice me
I ship them
Jesus Christ, you gotta love that coracobrachialis....... wonder if anyone will even get that shitty reference or am i gonna be crucified in the comment section......XD wow its really obvious now, that was a classic ooo triple
Bookmark: 5:00
knowledge of anatomy is cool but as for me the hardest is how to control material we use and methods of the expression
i hate when i understand how it have to be, but ruin everything with one wrong move of brush, pen etc.
First be able to handle your materials then worry about anatomy.
Hm. 6:18 rendered arm I feel like the hand is well too small compared to the contour version and nature? idk maybe I'm seeing things
jazzlehazzle yeah, I see it too. I’m sure it’s foreshortening, and probably more obvious in real life.
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Did you forget we were here🤣🤣🤣
I have a really hard time with the names of the muscles. Yet i'm not that bad at drawing them from any angle by imagination. Maybe something is wrong with my brain😂😂😂
Our brains hahaha
You might be underestimating the difficulty of memorizing. Flash cards might help
Silly question... looking for technique tip re your pencils... how do you Stan or Stephen (any of your viewers) sharpen your pencils with such a long piece of exposed lead to ensure the delicate touch when working on the drawing. I always break mine... very frustrating. Is there a better brand of pencil than another. Many pencils don't seen to be "glued" in their casing. Thanks.
I'm not Stan or Stephen, but yes, there can be a huge difference in quality of pencil as far as materials they are made from. I try to get artist quality ones that I can afford. Also, try not to drop them, as this can sometimes break the lead inside. Proko has a video on sharpening his pencils as well. Hope this helped.
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شكراا اخي
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Not gonna lie i thought there was a huge johnson on the thumbnail lol
Hi
Thank you so much! I absolutely love your videos. If you have a chance, please check out my new art-related channel, Art Awakening.
Please continue to create your amazing content 😊 love and light-Jenna
How many times can you say the word
‘’Like’’ in one sentence ? My god.
please make a face expression video...
Hello sir
Why Realism?
Español please
Porko looks like Andy from The Shawshank Redemption.
Yo
What's his accent?
🌫❤🇮🇶
من الصعب جداً رسم جسم الرجال
This interview was informative and entertaining. Stan loose the chewing gum, please.
Great modeling. Outline too prominent.
No
কাঠামো?
You can get more followers if you translate your videos into Arabic
Stay home.
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Блин, вот жопой чувствую, что Прокопенко из наших, только доказательств кроме фамилии нет. По-английски даже без акцента говорит.