Mirella Freni & Cesare Siepi - Live in Concert

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  • @snoopenny
    @snoopenny 2 роки тому +13

    I was a crazy opera fan at the Old Metropolitan House from 1959 and still am. I saw all the great post-war singers. He was stupendous, great voice and incredible stage presence. I was so lucky to see all his role. What a time it was. It gradually fizzed at in the mid-seventies. There were marvelous singers then, but the Post-war greats were gone. Siepi was one of the giants. Freni was one of the newer crop and she was magnificent.

  • @paolopecchioli9793
    @paolopecchioli9793 Рік тому +5

    Il Mozart del grande Siepi è impareggiabile. Il migliore di sempre. Troppa classe.

  • @nicolafabiocaprio3549
    @nicolafabiocaprio3549 3 роки тому +11

    Eleganza, morbidezza, omogeneità, intonazione, dizione, fraseggio, espressione, intensità, ma dove stanno più questi bassi. Grandissimo artista il nostro Siepi.

  • @Shahrdad
    @Shahrdad 7 років тому +39

    Siepi was not just a great singer, but also a very very kind man.

    • @rodrigoorrego7866
      @rodrigoorrego7866 6 років тому +1

      Shahrdad 😂😂😂😂😂 you say that?

    • @Shahrdad
      @Shahrdad 5 років тому +25

      @@rodrigoorrego7866 His son was one of my good friends in college. I spent a few days with Mr. Siepi and his family, and they couldn't have been any kinder or more generous. A year or two later, I got a phone call and it was him, asking if I wanted to come and see him sing in San Francisco, which I did. His voice was absolutely huge, and when he went for the low notes, you thought the ceiling was going to cave in.

    • @lindsayolh
      @lindsayolh 5 років тому +3

      @@Shahrdad I had got the impression of a very decent man so it's nice to have direct confirmation. I envy that you heard him live too. It's nice to hear confirmation of his power too. That much seems pretty clear from recordings but I did once hear a great tenor live and his voice barely carried the middle of the hall. Thank you.

    • @justinbrasfield6417
      @justinbrasfield6417 4 роки тому +3

      I've heard great opera singers live, and all of them have unbelievable, almost unimaginable voices. This great tenor either had a bad night or maybe wasn't so great. Do you mind saying who it was? For instance Pavarotti didn't have a dramatic voice, but they say his voice carried very well. Same for Gigli.

    • @Matskbk
      @Matskbk 3 роки тому +4

      And he was an anti-fascist as well

  • @subtleflavor9108
    @subtleflavor9108 2 роки тому +6

    I do admire the amazing voice of Siepi, the greatest bass of the Italian Opera history.

  • @AlexanderArsov
    @AlexanderArsov 8 років тому +82

    0:59 Nicolai - The Merry Wives of Windsor - overture;
    11:05 Gounod - Philemon et Baucis - Berceuse of Jupiter;
    14:55 Boito - Mefistofele - Aria of Margherita;
    22:07 Verdi - Simon Boccanegra - Aria of Fiesco;
    27:17 Puccini - Tosca - Aria of Tosca;
    31:23 Puccini - Gianni Schicchi - Aria of Lauretta;
    34:31 Verdi - Don Carlo - Philip's soliloquy;
    44:28 Verdi - Don Carlo - Aria of Elisabetta;
    56:24 Mozart - Don Giovanni - Overture;
    1:03:34 Mozart - Don Giovanni - Aria of Leporello;
    1:09:43 Mozart - Don Giovanni - Duet of Don Giovanni and Zerlina.

    • @zazagagua6588
      @zazagagua6588 4 роки тому +1

      Thank you !

    • @pvmuskosming
      @pvmuskosming 4 роки тому +1

      *THANKS A LOT, MOLTO BENE!!!*
      🖖👽👍🛸🛸🛸

  • @nicolafabiocaprio3549
    @nicolafabiocaprio3549 3 роки тому +6

    Complimenti anche al direttore per i tempi di esecuzione e la maestria nell'accompagnamento.

  • @massimoiapichino2817
    @massimoiapichino2817 4 роки тому +9

    La tristezza sta nella consapevolezza che così non canta più nessuno oggi. Due dei dell'Olimpo della lirica. Concerto meraviglioso

  • @SwingShoes
    @SwingShoes Рік тому +5

    This is a fantastic concert from 1985. It is a testament to Siepi's incredible technique for an almost 40 year career.

  • @romalisan1
    @romalisan1 Рік тому +3

    I believe they are now being invited to sing at the birthday parties of the Blessed Virgin, in Heaven.

  • @HellasItalia4
    @HellasItalia4 4 роки тому +16

    Oggi abbiamo perso Mirella Freni... Rimarrà con noi tramite la sua arte! R.I.P

  • @paolopecchioli9793
    @paolopecchioli9793 Рік тому +3

    Bravissimi entrambi.

  • @BarlowPalminteri
    @BarlowPalminteri 2 роки тому +3

    Siepi jumped over walls in Don Giovanni. I saw it as a freshman standee in the New Met’s first season. My heart still races at the memory.

  • @diarmuidmccabe7873
    @diarmuidmccabe7873 Рік тому +4

    Two superb singers.

  • @brianmurphy8947
    @brianmurphy8947 8 років тому +25

    Siepi- Simply the greatest ever!

  • @brandobottom5721
    @brandobottom5721 6 років тому +10

    L'eleganza vocale e la classe di uomo di Siepi sono da manuale. Chapeau!

  • @achmedmohamed4708
    @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому +2

    At 26:51 NICOLAI GHIAUROV is to be seen.
    He is the man with the glasses left from the middle.
    Another man, also with glasses left from him, talks to Ghiaurov.
    Nicolai Ghiaurov "rented" his wife Mirella Freni to Cesare Siepi for this concert.

  • @petergraham8681
    @petergraham8681 2 роки тому +3

    I have the video cassette of this & I think it’s from the mid ´80s when Siepi was I believe in his mid sixties. He kept singing until around 1988 I think & still sounds terrific here. Most claim that he was born in 1923 but once I saw 1920 as his birthdate. He had early experience as a madrigal singer in his teens & made his opera debut (either at 18 or 21) as Sparafucile I think. In any case he had been singing opera for about 45 years at the time of this recital. Few bass voices were or are in comparable shape at this time in their career with Mark Reizen being one exception: singing GREMIN at the BOLSHOI on his 90th birthday. You tube may still have a video of this!

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому

      Peter Graham
      Siepi was born 1921.
      I know it from a banker from Macerata where he sang Don Carlo.
      He saw his passport when he sent the money into the Swiss.
      Since 1974 I traveled after Siepi wherever he sang in Europe and I had time to follow him in his European career, after the end at the Met.
      ua-cam.com/video/oHKqK6ctSdY/v-deo.html

    • @petergraham8681
      @petergraham8681 2 роки тому

      @@achmedmohamed4708

    • @petergraham8681
      @petergraham8681 2 роки тому

      Thanks for that bit of info about Siepi‘s birthdate. Hardly matters anyway whether he was 66, 65, or 63. He is still in fabulous shape in the concert with Freni. In 1984 Siepi was singing in LA SONNAMBULA in Seattle & I drove downtown just to hear him sing VI RAVISSO. Before then his chief competition in this music, IMO, had been Ezio Flagello but by 1984 the latter, although some 10 years younger than Siepi, was a bit past his best years. I am only talking about the period after the mid 1950‘s in making this comparison.

  • @brunoantony3218
    @brunoantony3218 4 роки тому +26

    What a delightful video, thank you ❤️ RIP Mirella 🎚🥀💐

  • @hectormanuelsalcedo
    @hectormanuelsalcedo 2 роки тому +4

    Este tipo me hace llorar, creo que es la voz masculina mas hermosa que ha existido...Cesare Siepi Bravo

  • @oscarjosemerlano7283
    @oscarjosemerlano7283 3 роки тому +2

    TANTISIMA BELLEZA !!!!!!! GRACIAS A DIOS POR DARNOS TANTA GRACIA

  • @Wolts1983
    @Wolts1983 4 роки тому +12

    Due artisti immensi! La Freni, al suo apice. Siepi, inesauribile bellezza vocale e signorilità inarrivabile.

  • @JuPiNi1
    @JuPiNi1 2 роки тому +2

    PORQUÉ SE INTERRUMPE EL VIDEO DE LA ACTUACIÓN CON PUBLICIDAD😩, no es posible poner la publicidad en otra parte? Uno está atendiendo lo que ve y escucha, y es adaptado por la publicidad 😬😡

  • @vincenzoporcelli3913
    @vincenzoporcelli3913 4 роки тому +3

    Dueartisti passati alla storia del canto,riascoltarli e sepre un pia ere,grazie di cuore.

  • @andromedadadada
    @andromedadadada Рік тому +1

    In meiner Studien Zeiten ,...als ich sie als Susana erlebt hatte,..war ich begeistert,..Heute als Tosca ,..na was,..? ,..Wenn eine Subrette eine dramatische Partie singen will,..so hört ist es an,..Der Siepi hat eine ganz andere Gesangskultur Technik als sie,..Bei seinem Gesang fühle ich mich wohl und entspannt,..

  • @mckavitt
    @mckavitt 6 років тому +20

    Siepi singing so well at this age! As handsome as he still is here, I hardly recognise him by his looks. But by his voice ah! There is no disguising that! As for the ever-adorable Madama Freni. Well, she is as shy & warm as ever, her voice still expressive of both the music & her inimitable personality. And she begins w perhaps the most difficult aria. And no tongue wagging, the voice & diaphragm as steady as ever. Bravi, tutti due.

  • @tww2002
    @tww2002 3 роки тому +3

    Excellent and Beautiful. Legends.

  • @paolopecchioli9793
    @paolopecchioli9793 Рік тому +2

    Che Don Carlos, una classe infinita!!

  • @jeaninemahieu5164
    @jeaninemahieu5164 Рік тому +1

    Superbe Cesare Siepi !!!

  • @puppetoz
    @puppetoz 4 роки тому +5

    Wow - incredible starting out with that fiendish Boito aria - Miss Freni was all class.

  • @mlcollins10
    @mlcollins10 8 років тому +33

    this is the greatest bass of our times or any times.

    • @mckavitt
      @mckavitt 6 років тому

      BassoProfundo20 Wow. You surprise me. And I like Kurt Moll v. much.

    • @mckavitt
      @mckavitt 6 років тому +1

      mlcollins10 Basso-baritono, a spinto. The best of his & perhaps of all time.

    • @mckavitt
      @mckavitt 5 років тому +1

      a1b2c3d4e5 f6g7h8i9j0 I beg to heartily disagree w you. I saw him Live at the Met as well as know him from his many recordings. I would list as basses: Ezio Pinza, Fernando Corena, Samuel Ramey, Kurt Moll, & René Pape. As basso profondo: Nicolai Ghiaruov, Franz Crass, Marti Talvela, Ivan Rebroff, Boris Christoff, Chaliapi, Gottlob Frick & ofc a few others, very few.

    • @zinam5795
      @zinam5795 4 роки тому

      He ' very good Artist...! C.Siepi 'voice remember me N.Gyaurov 's voice,too.... In Bolchoy Theatre ,in 60-th was great Bass Marc Reysen...spetially in "Spade Dame" by P.I.Tchaykovsky... It was very good idia to make the Concerto with Mirella...

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому

      @@mckavitt
      There leads no road from Siepi to Kurt Moll.

  • @zamirisrael
    @zamirisrael 3 роки тому +3

    A THOUSAND THANKS ARE NOT ENOUGH

  • @gerardmignon700
    @gerardmignon700 5 років тому +4

    Que d'émotion à entendre ces deux immenses artistes, ces monstres sacrés dont il serait vain de chercher l'équivalent maintenant, et quelle classe !

  • @ShirvanDevrishev
    @ShirvanDevrishev 3 роки тому +6

    In 1985 Cesare Siepi is 62, Mirella Freni is 50 years old.

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому

      Fatima Dewrischewa
      Siepi is 64 here.
      He ist 2 years older.
      I know it from a banker in Macerata, who saw his passport when he sent money to his conto for his singing of Don Carlo.

    • @emmanuelfullerton8612
      @emmanuelfullerton8612 8 місяців тому

      ​@@achmedmohamed4708 Quindi lui veramente è nato al 1921 e non 1923??

  • @IsakovRealtone
    @IsakovRealtone 4 роки тому +3

    Brava ! Bravo !! Bravi !!!

  • @davidsimmons654
    @davidsimmons654 4 роки тому +3

    Love these two!!!!!!!

  • @АлександрЯрков-ш2з
    @АлександрЯрков-ш2з 4 роки тому +3

    Bravo super

  • @Shahrdad
    @Shahrdad 5 років тому +32

    Mr. Siepi would have been pushing 70 here, and Freni isn't a young singer either. And yet, you never see a shaking tongue, a wobbling throat, or the jaw moving as if they were chewing, something you see today in young singers even at the start of their careers.

    • @raphaelpisano5462
      @raphaelpisano5462 5 років тому +2

      This concert was in 1985, Siepi was 62 and Freni 50 :-)

    • @g.m.forsythe9626
      @g.m.forsythe9626 4 роки тому +1

      @@raphaelpisano5462 Wikipedia says that his year of birth is debated. If he was born in 1919 (as some claim) he would have been 66.

    • @TheVaughan5
      @TheVaughan5 4 роки тому +5

      The sad case is that opera is a dead art, sure there’s a handful of very good singers around but the “golden age” is very much behind us now. Many so-called “stars” today would not have moved beyond the chorus in the 40’s, to the 70’s.

    • @robert13007
      @robert13007 4 роки тому +2

      @@TheVaughan5 Right you are. We would dream to hear young artists singing like the old ones ! There are no equivalent to these opera golden age singers.

  • @gabrielalonso6944
    @gabrielalonso6944 3 роки тому +2

    The best bass voice

  • @pilouetmissiou
    @pilouetmissiou 4 роки тому +2

    due grandi.....grazie di tutto

  • @mariezenaida
    @mariezenaida 5 років тому +10

    That Elisabetta aria is pure dynamite. 👏👏👏

  • @alpkunkar9471
    @alpkunkar9471 4 роки тому +3

    La classe non smentisce!

  • @brunopicaude3092
    @brunopicaude3092 4 роки тому +1

    Cesare Siepi a seulement 62 ans, ici. Il a l'air plus âgé mais le timbre de sa voix, après plus de quarante années de carrière, reste somptueux, en dépit d'un vibrato qui commence à s'élargir.

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому +1

      Bruno Picaude
      Siepi is 64 years here.
      I know it from a banker of Macerata who saw his passport.

    • @sylvainmagne158
      @sylvainmagne158 Рік тому

      @@achmedmohamed4708 So this concert is from 1987 ?

  • @rosamatto7481
    @rosamatto7481 4 роки тому +2

    Recién escucho un homenaje a MirellaFreni Freni quien murió hace pocos días a la edad de 70 años espero otros homenajes mas

    • @pabloperdomo5174
      @pabloperdomo5174 3 роки тому +1

      Mario a la edad e 84 anos, canto hasta los 70

    • @acitipo
      @acitipo Рік тому

      Es verdad murió después de 80 años…

  • @fredericgarcia9703
    @fredericgarcia9703 6 років тому +4

    Splendide

  • @yaelpalombo4093
    @yaelpalombo4093 4 місяці тому

    Immenso!!!!!

  • @giannagloriamanetti8795
    @giannagloriamanetti8795 5 місяців тому

    Mirella bella e buona, senza divismi né chiacchere, immensa artista che ha vissuto l' arte come impegno indomito
    Siepi un maestro assoluto
    Che schifo la pubblicità

  • @pekkaT13
    @pekkaT13 4 роки тому +3

    Maravillosas voces ... ♥ ♥

  • @JavierBorja-bs1dd
    @JavierBorja-bs1dd 2 місяці тому

    He visto a Siepi y a Freni en el Liceo, de Barcelona. Ambos fantasticos. En lo que respecta a Freni, su voz me parece mas bella que la de Maria Callas, a la cual no he visti en teatro. Freni tenia un buen volumen, proyeccion de la voz y linea de canto, esta ultima, para mi, mejor que Callas. Si esto es asi (quizas yo este equivocado), por que Callas es una diosa y Freni no ?. Alguien me lo podria explicar ?.
    Muchas gracias.

  • @stepaushi
    @stepaushi 3 роки тому +1

    It would be nice if you could put the information about the performance in the description of the video.

  • @DiomedesDioscuro
    @DiomedesDioscuro Рік тому +2

    Impecable Siepi a pesar de los años. Encantadora Freni, como siempre, pero eligió un repertorio para el que no le daba la voz ni entonces ni después.

  • @giovanniidono9706
    @giovanniidono9706 4 роки тому +4

    Is there anyone who knows what was Cesare Siepi doing to create those amazing and beautiful sounds ?
    Or are there some advices that Cesare Siepi left for us ? I am asking since I tried to find anything regarding his vocal technique but I didn t find a thing.

    • @justinbrasfield6417
      @justinbrasfield6417 4 роки тому +1

      Technique matters, but his great voice is a gift from above.

    • @celibidache1000
      @celibidache1000 4 роки тому +5

      He is using perfect bel canto technique. Always the perfect coordination of chest and falsetto on every note, the perfect pharyngeal resonance space for every vowel, sul fiato, from an extremely open throat. He's using his voice in the acoustically most efficient way.

    • @robertwbecker
      @robertwbecker 3 роки тому +2

      Yes, Cesare didn`t leave us much to read about him but left us his example of a Great, Great Singer and Human Being!

    • @almajeansmith3328
      @almajeansmith3328 3 роки тому +2

      He sings correctly

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому +1

      Giovanni Idono
      It is his "open" head his upper resonances in nose and head-holes.
      Hear his half-vocals m, n, l and w.

  • @helioprado7413
    @helioprado7413 Рік тому

    Bom.dia abençoado neste dia chamado hoje ?

  • @randallevans5141
    @randallevans5141 23 дні тому

    What city was this concert in? Much more interesting if we know city and year.

  • @Gennady622
    @Gennady622 7 років тому +6

    Мягко, нежно, очень вокально, сдержанно. Мастер. К сожалению, не указан год записи.

    • @camilapril6348
      @camilapril6348 6 років тому +2

      deux tres grandes voix toujours tres belles

    • @ILONKA2310
      @ILONKA2310 6 років тому +4

      Там выше написали, 1985-й

    • @voro5527
      @voro5527 Рік тому

      1985

  • @randallevans5141
    @randallevans5141 23 дні тому

    What year was this? It's always of interest to the listener to know this.

  • @bokewilhelm1452
    @bokewilhelm1452 4 роки тому +2

    ist halt weltklasse-alte schule

  • @bubffm
    @bubffm 4 роки тому +4

    Lugano, 1985

  • @steveseifer6784
    @steveseifer6784 3 роки тому +2

    I would have loved to hear Mr. Cesare Siepi sing "Some Enchanted Evening" like Ezio Pinza did.

  • @JairFerreira1947
    @JairFerreira1947 4 роки тому +4

    I will never buy a product that interrupts an aria with its advertising.

  • @ruima4155
    @ruima4155 8 років тому +4

  • @HellasItalia4
    @HellasItalia4 4 роки тому +6

    26:52 Il Sommo Ghiaurov applaude il Grandissimo Cesare Siepi !!!
    (Accanto Ghiaurov potrebbe essere Franco Corelli, viso occhiali ok, ma capelli hmmm non sono sicuro!!!)

  • @rogerpropes7129
    @rogerpropes7129 2 роки тому +1

    Freni was married to another great bass, Ghuiarov.

  • @ransomcoates546
    @ransomcoates546 4 роки тому +3

    Why did Siepi stop singing at the Met?

    • @NYCOPERAFAN
      @NYCOPERAFAN 3 роки тому +1

      The imbecile Schuyler Chapin - who took over the General Manager position in 1973 and was the most incompetent person who ever held that job - refused to rehire him.

    • @ransomcoates546
      @ransomcoates546 3 роки тому +1

      @@NYCOPERAFAN Thanks. He also managed to drive Tebaldi out. And people who were at that last ‘Otello’ tell me it was by no means disastrous.

    • @luigicorvi1661
      @luigicorvi1661 2 роки тому

      @@ransomcoates546 I HAVE TEBALDIS LAST DESDEMONA ON REEL TO REEL TAPE....1973 AT THE MET WITH MCCRACKEN ........THE VOICE SOUNDS SWEET ...SMOOTH...SUMPTUOUS EVERY BIT RECOGNISABLE AS HER..SEEMINGLY INTACT.
      ONLY TWO BREIF POINTS SHE SINGS SLIGHTLY FLAT ON THE LONG HELD PIANISSIMO IN THE DUET...AND THE FINAL NOTE OF THE AVE MARIA...IS SLIGHTLY UNDER........BUT THE REST....STUNNING......MCCRACKEN HERE IS TOTALLY OUTSUNG BY HER....HER HIGHNOTES ARE OVERWHELMING ......HER LEGATO NEVER SAGS...THE LINE SEEMS TO GO ON FOREVER......SHE USES GREAT DINAMICS THROUGHOUT...HER PIANO SINGING IS STILL HEAVENLY TO HEAR...AND HER VOICE DOMINATES AT ALL TIMES.....ESPECCIALLY ABOVE CHORUS AND ORCHESTRA..IN THE BIG CONCERTATO BEFORE THE LAST ACT.!

  • @elenagherman4419
    @elenagherman4419 6 років тому +1

    AMORE INFINITO!!!!

  • @wzw2k12
    @wzw2k12 7 років тому +8

    1985

  • @photo161
    @photo161 6 років тому +4

    What year is this? Siepi is unrecognizable, and yet Freni looks every bit herself.

    • @mckavitt
      @mckavitt 6 років тому +1

      eoselan7 I had exactly the same experience. Except for the voice, Siepi is unrecognisable, yet still handsome. Freni is still Freni. Both great artists, imo.

    • @smartspotkimo
      @smartspotkimo 6 років тому +1

      1985.
      www.prestoclassical.co.uk/classical/products/7983800--mirella-freni-cesare-siepi-in-concert-1985

    • @clefnoteproductions6695
      @clefnoteproductions6695 3 роки тому +3

      Ciepi is roughly 62 as he was born 1923, Freni is roughly 51, she was born in 1934.

    • @dougt3652
      @dougt3652 3 роки тому +1

      @@clefnoteproductions6695 Freni (and Pavarotti) born 1935 both in Modena.

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому +1

      @@clefnoteproductions6695
      Siepi was born 1921.
      I know it from a banker in Macerata who saw his passport.

  • @raynardi7243
    @raynardi7243 2 роки тому +1

    Ah.....................da svenimento

  • @uraniastern5755
    @uraniastern5755 3 роки тому

    Who is the conductor???

    • @annacwiekala6280
      @annacwiekala6280 3 роки тому +2

      Orchestra della Radiotelevisione della Svizzera Italiana, Brune Amaducci

  • @marksmith3947
    @marksmith3947 Рік тому

    I was just listening to some clips of Ghiaurov, and in my opinion Siepi was a better singer. His legato and his vowels are superior to Ghiaurov. Of course, Ghiaurov had a stupendous voice, no question

    • @randallevans5141
      @randallevans5141 23 дні тому +1

      Ghiaurov was Bulgarian, so not native Italian speaker.

  • @OscarLevant1
    @OscarLevant1 6 років тому

    all this reverb was added and it just muddies the voices. Post the original broadcast!!!!!!!!

  • @lyazidhamroune7990
    @lyazidhamroune7990 2 роки тому +1

    Un seul duo...Quel dommage! La classe de Siepi...Freni s'aventure dans un répertoire qui convient assez mal à sa voix de lirico mais la musicienne est impeccable. Les publicités au milieu du si b de Tosca, notamment, sont irritantes.

  • @lsmart
    @lsmart 3 роки тому

    All the Siepi fans commented about how fantastic he sounds here. Although I would place a number of singers above Siepi on the list of all-time basso greats, I too am a big fan of his. However, to my ears his voice here at age 62 is greatly diminished in the ring of its top notes and in its size and power throughout its range. One need only listen to this live recording from a 27-yr-old Siepi (ua-cam.com/video/4DNkWcS_QM4/v-deo.html) or this one at age 47 (ua-cam.com/video/ecn6VzaI-UQ/v-deo.html) to hear the difference.

    • @achmedmohamed4708
      @achmedmohamed4708 2 роки тому +1

      Leo Smart
      Siepi was born 1921 not 1923.
      I know this from a banker of Macerata.

    • @lsmart
      @lsmart 2 роки тому

      @@achmedmohamed4708 On Wikipedia it says: "Born in Milan (his year of birth is debated between 1919 and 1923, though 1923 is given as official)." Even if we are to assume that this banker more reliably knew his true birth year, 2 years should not make much of a difference in terms of voice.

  • @noracancellernestorsosa7795
    @noracancellernestorsosa7795 4 роки тому +1

    Nora canceller