You are my kind of radio friend 😎 !!! I ran one on the center of my trunk lid on a 1991 Honda Accord ! For all of my setups , past and present , I run the standard length full size spring , 19 feet and 6 and 3/4 inches of coax , mount in the center of a flat surface like a truck toolbox lid , center of the trunk , etc and the SWR is usually flat in the middle of the band . 👍. Every setup is a little different .
The best springs hands down are from those military whips. Usually you can find those at ham fests. The Hustler springs aren't near as good as they used to be. I had different masts on my van that I screwed together for 17 and 20 meters. 73
Awesome vid! Aint nothing beats a 102, only thing Id personally upgrade down the road is just barrel spring, from the regular spring like you used in the vid, keeps it a little more stable with higher speeds and taking sharp corners!! Lol
Remember the good old days when you could go to Radio Shack, Lafayette, and Olson Electronics, plunk down $9.95 plus tax and walk away with a 102" whip?
Wow I think you're the first person to get the music name right! Usually people think it's some kind of Windows XP thing. Tetris Max is my favorite game on the System 7 Macintosh!
Nice work on the antenna!. A couple of ideas for you: Dimond. Akes a motorized fold-over antenna mount you might look at to help avoid the antenna hitting things, and Hustler does make a colinear 10m antenna which is 5/8 over 5/8, and if you put a little longer top whip on it, it will drop right down into 11m. And its a bit shorter physically. But higher gain over the 102" quarter wave. Just some "food for thought". Good luck! And 73s 0576, Dustmaker, in Southern Michigan.
Can’t beat the whip!! I love my predator 10K, but the whip was a better performer for sure. Great video! I used a 6” riser shaft to get my whip to tune best on 27.205
@@DejaWiz I quite like the design of that spring, although I may have better luck with a longer one. The one I have now is the same length. I'd like to get one of those 6 inch long ones with the spring that's wider in the middle.
@@ScuffedRadio Roger that - just make sure that the spring you end up with is made from high quality stainless with thicker gauge coils...there are some barrel springs out there that are weaker than many non-barrel springs.
Looking great buddy! Can't beat that 102". Tuning and hitting trees can be tricky as you see. My initial video had it pulled back with string but I've been running it hinged back on my hinge mount and it's been working great. I've tried the barrel spring which is fat in the middle but my mount already adds some height so the nano VNA showed the SWR way to high. So out with the spring. But then I added a 1inch coupler as suggested from a subscriber, which you can find on amazon. Then that was too high as well. Hah. So just the bare 102" now. My 102" is also showing me a tight sweep like yours on the nano VNA. I always thought it was wide banded. But the top and bottom of the band are both 1.6-1.3 respectively, adjusted to favor ch33. My 2m/70 also lights up when I tx on CB as well and my CB meter jumps when I TX on 2m/70cm as well. Hah! Anyway, great project and editing as always. This is 404 Roadblock waving at you from NW GA! 73
Thanks for the info about your setup! It seems to be wideband enough to work well across the entire 11 meter band, I'd just prefer if I could get the center frequency on channel 20 so it's equal in all directions. May have to get an extender of some sort to do that! Thanks for watching!
@ScuffedRadio Yeah they have 1 inch couplers on amazon for sure. Also since our vehicles are similar I wanted know where you got that center console? Mine has a cassette player and a cd holder. So I'd like to rip it out and use that exact setup you have.
That's the center console that comes with the LT trim package. Some of the Escalade models had it too. It's easy enough to go to a junk yard and get one to swap in. You'll have to pull both the front seats out and take the bottom off the dash but it shouldn't be too difficult to mod in. With a little modification to the pockets it has you can fit a standard CB pretty nicely!
The 102 had its heyday on Baja Bugs and Pick-up trucks mounted on the rear quarter panel because of their height. At best they are a 1.2: 1 antenna and often a 1.5: 1 in most installations sitting still. Going down the road they run along at 2: 1 to 2.5:1 on average. For a pure sitting still mobile application, setting out ground radials and grounding to them will greatly improve performance! By the way: the 102's with the allen set screws are not what we had. Our 102 whips were brazed to the base nut and had a ball-hat on the tip. If you need a longer whip - buy one and cut it down in small increments to length.
Best to put a ball mount on a corner or side so you can tie it down quickly. At highway speeds, a 7 foot firestick does as well considering bending, swaying and static buildup.
I have a 102 whip mounted on top of my Yukon the 6in. Barrel spring is better. Also that other antenna is kinda acting like a reflector remove it and with the 6in. Barrel spring i bet the swr will be 1.0 or 1.1. enjoy the whip
Yeah i need a spring like that. I may take a trip down to Dodge City CB to get one soon Unfortunately I don't want to remove the hustler antenna so I'm just going to have to deal with whatever effect it has on SWR. Thankfully it's not a big impact.
The 102" needs a spring because it is too short for the 11 meter band by default. The spring adds electrical legnth which brings it into tune on the desired band. The device under my mirror is a radar detector. It detects cops running speed traps so I get an alert before they can get my speed.
Where did you find a 102" wip with adjustability ? I run a 7'+ Sirio on my suburban with a Zetagi amp on a rear hatch mount. My truck hits every drive thru height barrier
The whip itself did not have a base when I got it, so I had to get the little metal piece that has the set screws and threads separately. I purposely got a longer one and it still wasn't enough even with the spring. I just drive around the height barrier and the awnings never come out over more than half of the truck so the rest of the drive thru I go like normal.
@@chriskilga9708 I don't have the link since the mount I use was custom made. By a company called Breedlove Mounts. You can call him and request custom mounts which is what I did. Other than that there's a million springs available online and the set screw peice was a dime a dozen on eBay.
I noticed that when I run 10m ssb, it gives my Icom 8000 the fits also. I have a 5/8 wave vhf whip on my truck and I had to learn to “dodge” low lying tree limbs. Almost like learning how to drive again. Lol Sometimes I have to breakout the tree limb grease to keep from damaging the whip antenna. Y’all be good!
Im confused. You're a licensed general class operator, and dinkering with CB for a while. How was it a suprise that a 10m antenna had a low SWR in the 10m band? Not doggin on you (or at least im not trying to) just confused.
I beg to differ with you. Radio is radio. I've been on CB since 1970, ham since 1980, and I've been having a blast working the world on 10 meters with a castoff Siltronix 1011D and a $60 craigslist Penetrator.
I go by 120 junkyard dog im in east Limestone Alabama about 4 miles from Madison hospital hit me up on 31 am sometimes im always listening man. And every morning at 7 am cst 383 does a roll coll and prayer if you. Want to join man
Are you a licensed Amateur radio operator? I heard you mentioned 52 simplex? Did i hear you say you're running an amp on 11 meters? Just wanted to make sure if heard you correctly, as you should already know amps on 11 meters are illegal not to mention unnecessary. So just asking did i hear you correctly? Or missinderstand? Thanks.
I am a licensed extra class ham operator and do most of my radio on VHF. Yes I'm running an amp on 11 meters and I don't give the slightest crap about the legality. And yes amps are absolutely 10000% necessary. 4 watts is pathetic.
@@ScuffedRadio Thanks for clearing that up. I wanted to make sure I heard correctly. I will say that it concerns me that an amateur operator would not care about doing things right. And 4 watt's is way more than enough down there. C.b. wasn't intended to be a Dx band. I worked South Carolina on 5 Watts Side band and other places on the amateur bands all adding an amp to a CB does is pollute the spectrum with all kinds of spurious signals. Anyway thanks for hearing me out.
@@ke4ascLike it or not CB *is* now a DX band. Intention is irrelevant. 4 watts is pathetic and not useful for anything at all. You really are a perfect example of the typical ham guy stereotype 🤣
@@miker8379Hustler still makes them because there are a surprising number of services still using the 30-50 MHz band, and the 1/4 wave whip is still the best antenna for the band.
They deleted my first reply! There are a surprising number of people who are still using the 30-50 MHz band, and the 1/4 wave antenna is still a favorite.
You need the BIG fat Spring. Best setup ever. I been rockin the 102 and spring for 45 years now.
I'll probably need to stop by my local CB shop and get a big one
You are my kind of radio friend 😎 !!!
I ran one on the center of my trunk lid on a 1991 Honda Accord !
For all of my setups , past and present , I run the standard length full size spring , 19 feet and 6 and 3/4 inches of coax , mount in the center of a flat surface like a truck toolbox lid , center of the trunk , etc and the SWR is usually flat in the middle of the band . 👍. Every setup is a little different .
Awesome!
The best springs hands down are from those military whips. Usually you can find those at ham fests. The Hustler springs aren't near as good as they used to be. I had different masts on my van that I screwed together for 17 and 20 meters. 73
Awesome vid! Aint nothing beats a 102, only thing Id personally upgrade down the road is just barrel spring, from the regular spring like you used in the vid, keeps it a little more stable with higher speeds and taking sharp corners!! Lol
Remember the good old days when you could go to Radio Shack, Lafayette, and Olson Electronics, plunk down $9.95 plus tax and walk away with a 102" whip?
Nice CB setup!
Also... end song.. Peter Wangers - T-Maxx song! Sweet that its getting notice! :)
Wow I think you're the first person to get the music name right! Usually people think it's some kind of Windows XP thing. Tetris Max is my favorite game on the System 7 Macintosh!
@ScuffedRadio figured i would be!
Out of all the people, this guy calls it haha 😎
Badass video. Epic music. Love the whole vibe. Subbed!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
there is 6" adapter shaftes to add. i bought a 108" whip. no problem after trimming down 2
"
Nice work on the antenna!. A couple of ideas for you: Dimond. Akes a motorized fold-over antenna mount you might look at to help avoid the antenna hitting things, and Hustler does make a colinear 10m antenna which is 5/8 over 5/8, and if you put a little longer top whip on it, it will drop right down into 11m. And its a bit shorter physically. But higher gain over the 102" quarter wave.
Just some "food for thought". Good luck! And 73s
0576, Dustmaker, in Southern Michigan.
Thats what I run on my truck. Nothing beats a 102 inch whip. Good luck. Try it without the other antennas on.
Can’t beat the whip!! I love my predator 10K, but the whip was a better performer for sure. Great video! I used a 6” riser shaft to get my whip to tune best on 27.205
I think that's what I need, or a bigger longer spring
@@ScuffedRadiocheck out the Driver Extreme DX244/DRX2440 stainless spring...might be a viable option for you.
@@DejaWiz I quite like the design of that spring, although I may have better luck with a longer one. The one I have now is the same length. I'd like to get one of those 6 inch long ones with the spring that's wider in the middle.
@@ScuffedRadio Roger that - just make sure that the spring you end up with is made from high quality stainless with thicker gauge coils...there are some barrel springs out there that are weaker than many non-barrel springs.
Looking great buddy! Can't beat that 102". Tuning and hitting trees can be tricky as you see. My initial video had it pulled back with string but I've been running it hinged back on my hinge mount and it's been working great.
I've tried the barrel spring which is fat in the middle but my mount already adds some height so the nano VNA showed the SWR way to high. So out with the spring. But then I added a 1inch coupler as suggested from a subscriber, which you can find on amazon. Then that was too high as well. Hah. So just the bare 102" now.
My 102" is also showing me a tight sweep like yours on the nano VNA. I always thought it was wide banded. But the top and bottom of the band are both 1.6-1.3 respectively, adjusted to favor ch33.
My 2m/70 also lights up when I tx on CB as well and my CB meter jumps when I TX on 2m/70cm as well. Hah!
Anyway, great project and editing as always.
This is 404 Roadblock waving at you from NW GA!
73
Thanks for the info about your setup! It seems to be wideband enough to work well across the entire 11 meter band, I'd just prefer if I could get the center frequency on channel 20 so it's equal in all directions. May have to get an extender of some sort to do that! Thanks for watching!
@ScuffedRadio Yeah they have 1 inch couplers on amazon for sure. Also since our vehicles are similar I wanted know where you got that center console? Mine has a cassette player and a cd holder. So I'd like to rip it out and use that exact setup you have.
That's the center console that comes with the LT trim package. Some of the Escalade models had it too. It's easy enough to go to a junk yard and get one to swap in. You'll have to pull both the front seats out and take the bottom off the dash but it shouldn't be too difficult to mod in. With a little modification to the pockets it has you can fit a standard CB pretty nicely!
@ScuffedRadio that's what I'm talkin' about! I'm gonna be on the lookout now. Thanks, brother!
Those 102 whips are made for the UK cb band what is in the 10 meter band
The 102 had its heyday on Baja Bugs and Pick-up trucks mounted on the rear quarter panel because of their height. At best they are a 1.2: 1 antenna and often a 1.5: 1 in most installations sitting still. Going down the road they run along at 2: 1 to 2.5:1 on average. For a pure sitting still mobile application, setting out ground radials and grounding to them will greatly improve performance!
By the way: the 102's with the allen set screws are not what we had. Our 102 whips were brazed to the base nut and had a ball-hat on the tip. If you need a longer whip - buy one and cut it down in small increments to length.
good video!
Thank you!
Best to put a ball mount on a corner or side so you can tie it down quickly. At highway speeds, a 7 foot firestick does as well considering bending, swaying and static buildup.
No
There are some custom spacer units go in place of the spring if you’re gutsy.
Good luck in the key down contest
I have a 102 whip mounted on top of my Yukon the 6in. Barrel spring is better. Also that other antenna is kinda acting like a reflector remove it and with the 6in. Barrel spring i bet the swr will be 1.0 or 1.1. enjoy the whip
Yeah i need a spring like that. I may take a trip down to Dodge City CB to get one soon
Unfortunately I don't want to remove the hustler antenna so I'm just going to have to deal with whatever effect it has on SWR. Thankfully it's not a big impact.
Does the 102" need a spring and whats the purpose of the spring❓ What's that device on the rear view mirror❓
The 102" needs a spring because it is too short for the 11 meter band by default. The spring adds electrical legnth which brings it into tune on the desired band.
The device under my mirror is a radar detector. It detects cops running speed traps so I get an alert before they can get my speed.
Here’s my question, how do you get your SSB numbers, I’m just starting to get into this and I don’t quiet understand.
You need a Single Sideband capable radio to get SSB stuff. My radio in the video doesn't have those features.
Where did you find a 102" wip with adjustability ? I run a 7'+ Sirio on my suburban with a Zetagi amp on a rear hatch mount. My truck hits every drive thru height barrier
The whip itself did not have a base when I got it, so I had to get the little metal piece that has the set screws and threads separately. I purposely got a longer one and it still wasn't enough even with the spring.
I just drive around the height barrier and the awnings never come out over more than half of the truck so the rest of the drive thru I go like normal.
@@ScuffedRadio Could you please post a link to where you bought the pieces to build your setup. I think it may work for my Suburban hatch mount.
@@chriskilga9708 I don't have the link since the mount I use was custom made. By a company called Breedlove Mounts. You can call him and request custom mounts which is what I did. Other than that there's a million springs available online and the set screw peice was a dime a dozen on eBay.
I noticed that when I run 10m ssb, it gives my Icom 8000 the fits also.
I have a 5/8 wave vhf whip on my truck and I had to learn to “dodge” low lying tree limbs. Almost like learning how to drive again. Lol
Sometimes I have to breakout the tree limb grease to keep from damaging the whip antenna.
Y’all be good!
I call it "3D - driving"! 🤣
I had antenna that I forgot to take off for a valet.
He was hitting the ceiling of the parking garage.
@@jeffkardosjr.3825 LOL!
Noob here… thanks for an awesome vid
Glad you enjoyed it!
Last time I used a 102 whip I used 21ft of RG-213 and had a flat match on 11 meter band
They're great antennas
👍👍
Im confused. You're a licensed general class operator, and dinkering with CB for a while. How was it a suprise that a 10m antenna had a low SWR in the 10m band? Not doggin on you (or at least im not trying to) just confused.
I'm an extra class, and I wasn't really confused why it was tuning up too high, I just wanted to try it before adding a spring.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👍
Never did understand why they just didn’t make a 108 whip.
Apparently they do, but I've never seen one for sale in the US.
11m is a lot of fun, beats any VHF/UHF contact, I speak the world on a Cobra148GTL, and doing better than many hams who put thousands into their gear.
Hams think they're the smartest and best educated on how radio works. CB folk have way more fun though!
I beg to differ with you. Radio is radio. I've been on CB since 1970, ham since 1980, and I've been having a blast working the world on 10 meters with a castoff Siltronix 1011D and a $60 craigslist Penetrator.
I go by 120 junkyard dog im in east Limestone Alabama about 4 miles from Madison hospital hit me up on 31 am sometimes im always listening man. And every morning at 7 am cst 383 does a roll coll and prayer if you. Want to join man
Yep I've met 383 a few times, cool guy! I'm always on 31 during the day, I'll call out for you next time I'm in the area!
Are you a licensed Amateur radio operator? I heard you mentioned 52 simplex? Did i hear you say you're running an amp on 11 meters?
Just wanted to make sure if heard you correctly, as you should already know amps on 11 meters are illegal not to mention unnecessary. So just asking did i hear you correctly? Or missinderstand? Thanks.
I am a licensed extra class ham operator and do most of my radio on VHF. Yes I'm running an amp on 11 meters and I don't give the slightest crap about the legality. And yes amps are absolutely 10000% necessary. 4 watts is pathetic.
@@ScuffedRadio Thanks for clearing that up. I wanted to make sure I heard correctly. I will say that it concerns me that an amateur operator would not care about doing things right. And 4 watt's is way more than enough down there.
C.b. wasn't intended to be a Dx band.
I worked South Carolina on 5 Watts Side band and other places on the amateur bands all adding an amp to a CB does is pollute the spectrum with all kinds of spurious signals. Anyway thanks for hearing me out.
@@ke4ascLike it or not CB *is* now a DX band. Intention is irrelevant. 4 watts is pathetic and not useful for anything at all. You really are a perfect example of the typical ham guy stereotype 🤣
R U kidding? If you have been in the hobby for very long, u would know most people run some kind of power. Be it a high power radio or a linear.
@@ke4ascreport him to da furer
Maybe if you drive near an airport you can head some air traffic control
I can do that anywhere, the yaesu 8900 has airband am receiving.
@@ScuffedRadio can you hear Atlanta from there
@@quietq1631 Depends on the band or conditions but sometimes yes
The real spring is probably a inch longer.
Yeah that's what I'm realizing now
@@ScuffedRadio probably the biggest brand is Hustler. It’s about a inch longer bigger spring steel an fat in the middle
@@miker8379Hustler still makes them because there are a surprising number of services still using the 30-50 MHz band, and the 1/4 wave whip is still the best antenna for the band.
They deleted my first reply!
There are a surprising number of people who are still using the 30-50 MHz band, and the 1/4 wave antenna is still a favorite.
@@spaceflight1019 I didn't delete it, YT must be doing it's usual bullcrap again.
Replace the cobra with a Sideband Mobil Galaxy 959 or anytond 5555 you will talk world wide .
Yeah one day I'll get a Stryker 955
You need an SSB radio you’d be talking a lot farther🐍
Yeah for sure. One of these days I'll get a Stryker 955
102' is one hundred two feet..???????????