The documents he shows tell a different story to the one he is narrating. BBC attempting to get a cut of his film and merchandising, even though they have nothing to do with making it... BBC bullshit.
15:45 "Nation didn't want his creations being overshadowed by another villain" Many many years later: Daleks completely overshadow the Cybermen in 'Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday' and have a huge battle
This was my childhood - I was deeply involved in the shows - via both imagination and the fact that my Father worked on DrWho and Out of the Unknown. Indeed, I was almost in Out of the Unknown myself - but my heart wasn't loud enough so a special effect had to be used instead. I very clearly remember the Gun scene from "out', and the 'Out' robots in "who' but I never knew about the telephone door. Later, I worked at BBC Enterprises myself and edited the Mind Robber Ents release. I remembered the white horse from TX so well that i convinced the producer to let me use the full outro shots and the full intro shots of it - as they were different, the original plan was to lose one of them for tightness... but, my argument - that I remembered it so other fans would too - won the day. Great to se it in this video too. VERY well done. I love it.
16:15 flim clip of the Dalek trundling outside a shop with a bridge in the background was filmed in Uxbridge at the junction of Rockingham Road/Waterloo Road with the bridge wall to St. John's Rd in the background. The two houses and shop are still there and look the same, the building on the right has since been demolished.. The Dolphin pub (not in the film clip) is on the opposite side of the road). Just bunging this snippet of info here for future reference. Ta!
Can\t believe the BBC were willing to relinquish the Daleks. Imagine: no more Daleks on Dr. Who, and you can't even rewatch the old ones. Amazed the idea made it past the bin. . .
2:16 Considering how out of date "the most efficient computer in the universe" looks in 2022, I shudder to imagine how out of date it would be in the year 5000.
First time I had ever heard of the Out of the Unknown episode featuring the Daleks and Tardis! It's also fascinating to hear how close The Destroyers came to being made, arguably.
A real shame Destroyers wasn't made and picked up by ABC, back then, there was an automatic demand for any English media productions in the US. Many of us relied on PBS (Public Television) to watch Doctor Who and British comedy series.
You are filling an incredible nieche in dr who fan videos. And I hope so much that you continue this series for a long time to come. The amount of lore and trivia in these episodes that I've never heard of or had the slightest idea on is amazing to me!
This is such an exceptional series - the research is incredible and the way you have put it all together is just so enjoyable. Thank you SO much for producing them!
Fascinating. So Nation didn't own the props for ego or kitch reasons. There was a real money aspect. And that explains why he kept hiring them out for public events, to recoup some of his cost. It still boggles the mind why the BBC didn't buy the rights along with the original Dalek script.
Because they didn't realise they would be anything bigger or more popular than Any number of their other 'monsters' and in house creations. I should imagine that's the reason ? I find it hilarious that tony Hancock and Terry were friends and he used to go and sleep (without sleeping much) round Tony's and it was here he fleshed out his daleks with the help of tony Hancock who no doubt suggested the plunger ends and eye stalk...definitely nation who suggested upside down shuttlecock which Hancock found hilarious.
This video has a special place in my heart because I actually own a copy of The Dalek Outer Space Book which I found in a second hand bookshop when I was 14 (35 years ago)
Now that we appear to be at the end, can I just say what a wonderful exposition of truly obsessive Doctor Who fandom this has been. I consider myself a reasonably acquainted fan of both Classic and Nuwho, but even I look at the CSI forensics involved in this and go, "Oh, dude". But in a good way. This is obsession from love and I find something incredibly beautiful about it, even if I won't ever get to that level myself!
Ive been on a long search for the last 15 years for a short film shown on BBC2 in the last 80s and the 'Out of the Unknown' section reminded me to make a comment here in the hope someone knows what it is I am looking for! It was a short film, in BnW set on an island. There was a child who lived on a submarine (which looked a bit like the Nautilus from the Disney version of 20,000 LUTS). The child is friends with a Chewbacca looking type guy and a teenage pirate. They are on a quest to free the childs mother, who doesn't remember she has a son.
The BBC wiped a lot of children's shows and shorts in the 1990s under the assumption they had no commercial value. There is a possibility this was destroyed, but I hope not. Hope you find it!
Fascinating stuff. I wondered why Terry Nation would have bought those Daleks - other than for reasons of simple vanity - and now we have the answer! A fascinating and revealing video. And am I the only person who thinks that 'Get Off My Cloud' could be remade today and would be just as appropriate and popular as it was back in 1969... ?
Awesome research (as always). I thought I at least knew the existence of stuff even if I didn’t know details. Wow! How wrong I was. You guys are amazing. I had no idea of The Destroyers! And gotta love Terry sliding things into annuals. Crafty bugger. Thanks again for such an awesome deep-dive geekfest of Info 😁👍
Crazy how the Daleks appeared so frequently outside of Doctor Who. Have to think if the design wasn’t so great would Terry Nation really have such a viable product. He lucked out big time, could have just have easily been another monster of the week if it wasn’t for the iconic design.
The reason Daleks didn't appear until 72 brilliant series. Terry nation was in his own world with the daleks realy good research your detail is amazing Imagine if the BBC had gotten the movie daleks and tardis after finished with them I new phone panel changed for invasion now know why
@@Dalek6388 Hi, only from faded memories. I do clearly remember the main protagonist shooting the gun at the Dalek, as the Dalek was a manifestation of his childhood fears. I watched it in black and white as we didn't get our first colour set until 1970
Amazing work, this continues to be an incredibly professionally produced series. I knew only knew the basics of The Destroyers, not all the legal wrangling behind the scenes. Didn't know any of the Out of the Unknown stuff outside of the Mind Robber costumes.
I downloaded the Opening Night version of this as my internet was acting up and, in case it went out while I was watching it, I would still have it. So, it has been "saved" for future fans! LOL
So how were they planning to bring back Sara Kingdom, since she dies of old age at the end oc The Daleks' Master Plan? Was this intended to be a prequel? Would Nicholas Courtney have been involved?
@@Dalek6388 I remember there being one grey dalek on day we went, it was towards the end of the exhibition, although there was an operator in the dalek he appeared tired and didn't move about much, you couldn't get close due to crowds of other kids. The dome would swivel and the eye would point at a kid who would run away screaming. There was also an ice warrior and a yeti they appeared to have been stuffed and left in enclosures behind barriers. As an adult I made my own cyberman outfit, as a child we'd visited St Paul's Cathedral and walked down the steps at outside, seeing the cybermen invading a place I had already been to made an impression on me. My cyberman although not accurate is instantly recognised as a 1970's cyberman.
@@Dalek6388 Although my 9 yr old self was disappointed with the Dr Who exhibit at Olympia I can still remember it, I'm sure there were loads of other really interesting things to look at and do that day but I can't remember them. I already knew the difference between reality and fiction, to suspend disbelief we needed to be able to role play but there were just too may kids passing through the exhibit on too many days for the illusion to remain fresh. You didn't get the chance of a personal interaction with the dalek. Video games hadn't yet been invented but we didn't get the chance to hold ray guns or fly space ships.
The 1968 Boys and Girls Exhibition was reported on BBC SE Region magazine show Town & Around in the just after the 6pm News slot that would be occupied by Nationwide in 1969. They showed the Daleks and other Dr Who exhibits as well as other fun but forgotten stuff. The film was aimed at parents to take their children while encouraging children to pester them. I wonder if this infomercial still exists.
They needed more investors in North America to make this series, a true reality and we would have experience an earlier North American Dr. Who fandom in 1960s and the syndicated Dr. Who might have been rescued with all seasons intact.
Your channel is better than watching BBC 4 documentaries very factual and very interesting thank you very much did he ever want the daleks in Blake seven.?
Gosh, some really interesting stuff here, it's really strange to think what might have been if that Dalek series had been made. Even if it hadn't gone beyond the pilot it would be an interesting piece of curio to be able to watch. As would the OOTU episode if it were still in the archives, I hadn't heard about that before.
I can't believe how clueless Terry Nation was about how long it takes to get a production off the ground; especially when dealing with rights issues. It's like he has never worked in television or had anything to do with rights issues.
@@Nautilus1972 I know. The Daleks are my favourite baddie and Blake's 7 is better than all the Star Trek's apart from the original, which I think it's equal too.
I would also like to point out how it was a different time. Nowadays even authors who will never have a chance at writing for film or tv will ponder on what they will do with the movie rights of what they write, but we wouldn't have the history of rights battles if there weren't people to whom this stuff happened as the first precedent. And they didn't have the internet back then, researching that kind of stuff would have been tedious.
I've come across a top -secret document that explains why this show never made it to air " It Was secret actions of the Cybermen " There's more but can't get to ....... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!
Thoroughly entertaining and fascinating insight on display... Would love you to turn your talents to... Out of the unknown...there is very little appreciation of this seminal piece of science fiction and would love you to turn your hand to an in-depth analysis...🐾
As Im hearing the music Im getting a real portal vibe from it. I dunno if its featured somewhere else but Portal Stories Mel has a very similar soundtrack throughout most of the game.
@@Dalek6388Interestingly enough, it reminds me very much of "Eus Keus?" by Gwenno, from the "Le Kov" album. It was driving me nuts until I remembered...
I remember visiting the Dr. Who exhibition at Blackpool and there being some Daleks. Does anyone know where they came from and what happened to them? I remember at least one "speaking" and moving a little.
I suspect that the use of theDaleks in Out of the Unknown was because existing props would be much cheaper than enormous dragons. Also, could it be that another actress was lined up to play Sara Kingdom? Perhaps an American to give it a chance in the US market?
Excellent work, thank you. I really like the music at the begining and end of the video (starting at 40 seconds). Is this an original piece too? Is there anywhere it can be heard or downloaded please? Cheers :)
It’s the Death to the Daleks incidental music done in the style of Seven Nation Army by the white stripes. It was arranged and performed for us by Graeme Allen. He has some music from the series on his channel but I don’t think the theme is available separately as yet.
Hi, Doctor Who's Tardis. Was the Police box they use in Dixon of Dock Green. a TV show about a friendly Police man called Dixon solving crimes and helping people in his show. And he used a Police box to call the Police Station to have people he locked up in the Police box. Picked up. As Doctor Who was made on a budget. They found the Police Box. And got it for there show. Because Dixon of Dock Green had finished.
I really think the BBC should attempt making a new version of these abandoned scripts. A Dalek spin-off series would probably have proven more popular than Class.
I know that it isn't exactly PC to talk about it nowadays but do you know anything about the Daleks appearance on 'The Black and White Minstrel Show'? Yes, it's not exactly something that people want to have brought up in this day and age, but I can remember reading about it as a kind of 'Moon Shot' act in a book entitled ('Doctor Who From A to Z' which was written by an ex editor of DWM) which I used to own back in the day. Also, and I'll understand if you are unwilling to upload anything, due to the nature of the material but if you have any pictures or even footage from the said episode then could you please upload it.
Thanks for your help, as it stands I was more interested in seeing the Daleks themselves and how they were worked into the act rather than the actors in blackface more than anything else. I have seen, thanks to UA-cam, a few of the other acts that they did for their little show and while I am not racist I must admit to having a morbid fascination with such media (eg 'Tintin in the Congo') granted I may be somewhat desentised due to my repeated viewings of old films plus the fact it is seen as taboo does often draw me too that kind of media, but the historical context of the times it was made in has always interested me greatly plus the kind of thinking on the part of the original audiences of any era of which my interests would have been presented to interests me as well as I feel that understanding such things helps me enjoy old media a lot better. I would recommend such thinking to anyone who wants to lets say, watch an old horror film on its own merrits rather than see it as 'old rubbish'. Happy Times and Places!
To mark the 40th anniversary of DR Who - the ABC (Australian version of the BBC) showed every episode of DR Who from the first Bill story to the last one (minus stories which had missing parts). Also due to copyright fight with the Estate of Terry Nation and the BBC over the use of the Daleks. None of the dalek stories were also shown.
I was always told that The Destroyers was never meant to happen, as far as Terry was concerned, and that it was just a way to leverage 100% control and ownership of The Daleks, as well as get a £20,000 payday, as Terry was always strapped for cash. The whole thing, as it was explained to me, was a scam.
Your UA-cam post was unavailable suddenly yesterday mid-comment. Anyway - 1) I just find Nation's behaviour was outrageous, after all the BBC designed the Daleks, gave them their voices etc and the platform for their success! 2) I am amazed BBC 2 had any interest in The Destroyers , I can't see how it would fit their remit.
Delia Derbyshire's robot song from that Out of the Unknown episode "The Prophet" that featured the White Robots. ua-cam.com/video/jetzY-W78gg/v-deo.html
As a retired archivist , I am delighted to see the depth and value of archives being demonstrated so vividly.
The documents he shows tell a different story to the one he is narrating. BBC attempting to get a cut of his film and merchandising, even though they have nothing to do with making it... BBC bullshit.
10:48 Yeah, "you can't use the Daleks or even mention them ever again!" sounds like real 'good-faith'...
15:45 "Nation didn't want his creations being overshadowed by another villain"
Many many years later: Daleks completely overshadow the Cybermen in 'Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday' and have a huge battle
This was my childhood - I was deeply involved in the shows - via both imagination and the fact that my Father worked on DrWho and Out of the Unknown. Indeed, I was almost in Out of the Unknown myself - but my heart wasn't loud enough so a special effect had to be used instead.
I very clearly remember the Gun scene from "out', and the 'Out' robots in "who' but I never knew about the telephone door. Later, I worked at BBC Enterprises myself and edited the Mind Robber Ents release. I remembered the white horse from TX so well that i convinced the producer to let me use the full outro shots and the full intro shots of it - as they were different, the original plan was to lose one of them for tightness... but, my argument - that I remembered it so other fans would too - won the day. Great to se it in this video too. VERY well done. I love it.
Lovely story Simon! Thank you for sharing and thank you for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video.
16:15 flim clip of the Dalek trundling outside a shop with a bridge in the background was filmed in Uxbridge at the junction of Rockingham Road/Waterloo Road with the bridge wall to St. John's Rd in the background. The two houses and shop are still there and look the same, the building on the right has since been demolished..
The Dolphin pub (not in the film clip) is on the opposite side of the road). Just bunging this snippet of info here for future reference. Ta!
That’s right! And yards away from the Shawcraft workshop!
Might have to visit there someday next year.
Can\t believe the BBC were willing to relinquish the Daleks. Imagine: no more Daleks on Dr. Who, and you can't even rewatch the old ones. Amazed the idea made it past the bin. . .
A gun that can actually harm an alien menace. I bet the Brigadier would give anything for it!
I thought that too - on first transmission.
Once you realise that Terry Nation's agent is now Steven Moffat's mother in law...
Just like David Tennant's father in law is his former self.
Brad Phipps and david’s wife is the Doctor’s daughter, quite literally. Peter Davidson is her father.
@@anonymystical4413 mind blown
Is this true?
@@JD-rt8ym Yes - Vertue was Moffat's mother-in-law. She died in February this year.
2:16 Considering how out of date "the most efficient computer in the universe" looks in 2022, I shudder to imagine how out of date it would be in the year 5000.
First time I had ever heard of the Out of the Unknown episode featuring the Daleks and Tardis! It's also fascinating to hear how close The Destroyers came to being made, arguably.
A real shame Destroyers wasn't made and picked up by ABC, back then, there was an automatic demand for any English media productions in the US. Many of us relied on PBS (Public Television) to watch Doctor Who and British comedy series.
You are filling an incredible nieche in dr who fan videos. And I hope so much that you continue this series for a long time to come.
The amount of lore and trivia in these episodes that I've never heard of or had the slightest idea on is amazing to me!
Thank you! Yes we hope to be around for a good while yet and we have some great stuff coming up!
This is such an exceptional series - the research is incredible and the way you have put it all together is just so enjoyable. Thank you SO much for producing them!
Thank you Oliver! Glad you like them! 😀
Another astounding episode! Excellent never before known facts with the usual high level of research and presentation. Brilliant!
Fascinating. So Nation didn't own the props for ego or kitch reasons. There was a real money aspect. And that explains why he kept hiring them out for public events, to recoup some of his cost. It still boggles the mind why the BBC didn't buy the rights along with the original Dalek script.
Because they didn't realise they would be anything bigger or more popular than Any number of their other 'monsters' and in house creations. I should imagine that's the reason ? I find it hilarious that tony Hancock and Terry were friends and he used to go and sleep (without sleeping much) round Tony's and it was here he fleshed out his daleks with the help of tony Hancock who no doubt suggested the plunger ends and eye stalk...definitely nation who suggested upside down shuttlecock which Hancock found hilarious.
This video has a special place in my heart because I actually own a copy of The Dalek Outer Space Book which I found in a second hand bookshop when I was 14 (35 years ago)
Now that we appear to be at the end, can I just say what a wonderful exposition of truly obsessive Doctor Who fandom this has been.
I consider myself a reasonably acquainted fan of both Classic and Nuwho, but even I look at the CSI forensics involved in this and go, "Oh, dude".
But in a good way. This is obsession from love and I find something incredibly beautiful about it, even if I won't ever get to that level myself!
Thank you Richard that really is appreciated! Not quite the end yet though!
Ive been on a long search for the last 15 years for a short film shown on BBC2 in the last 80s and the 'Out of the Unknown' section reminded me to make a comment here in the hope someone knows what it is I am looking for!
It was a short film, in BnW set on an island. There was a child who lived on a submarine (which looked a bit like the Nautilus from the Disney version of 20,000 LUTS). The child is friends with a Chewbacca looking type guy and a teenage pirate. They are on a quest to free the childs mother, who doesn't remember she has a son.
The BBC wiped a lot of children's shows and shorts in the 1990s under the assumption they had no commercial value. There is a possibility this was destroyed, but I hope not. Hope you find it!
Fascinating stuff. I wondered why Terry Nation would have bought those Daleks - other than for reasons of simple vanity - and now we have the answer! A fascinating and revealing video. And am I the only person who thinks that 'Get Off My Cloud' could be remade today and would be just as appropriate and popular as it was back in 1969... ?
This series is absolutely top quality, really enjoying your work!
Thank you! :)
Fascinating stuff!
Glad I found you channel. Quality work!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Really interesting and fascinating - I never knew about any of this in all my years of fandom! Thank you!
Awesome research (as always). I thought I at least knew the existence of stuff even if I didn’t know details. Wow! How wrong I was. You guys are amazing. I had no idea of The Destroyers! And gotta love Terry sliding things into annuals. Crafty bugger.
Thanks again for such an awesome deep-dive geekfest of Info 😁👍
Well done - a very professionally created mini documentary
Thank you Paul!
Noticed that Ross Bugden does music for your vids - great music! I love his epic stuff! :)
Fascinating and well researched, thanks.
Thank you! 🙂
Crazy how the Daleks appeared so frequently outside of Doctor Who. Have to think if the design wasn’t so great would Terry Nation really have such a viable product. He lucked out big time, could have just have easily been another monster of the week if it wasn’t for the iconic design.
Ray Cusick deserves as much of the credit as Nation.
@@brianthesnape exactly, Nation lucked out because the design was so great.
Two videos in less than 24 hours. However do they manage it! (another thumbs up).
It's all relative...
The lost dream episode was basically the plot for 'Inception!' Incredible discovery 🏆
The reason Daleks didn't appear until 72 brilliant series. Terry nation was in his own world with the daleks realy good research your detail is amazing
Imagine if the BBC had gotten the movie daleks and tardis after finished with them
I new phone panel changed for invasion now know why
Absolutely fascinating. Love it!
Fascinating. I've never heard of the lost Out of the Unknown episode
Can you imagine what the series would have been like in colour and with a big budget, and made for adults.
"The monsters flanked Patrick Moore on The Sky at Night!" LOL
Even better watching the second time around. :)
I saw the Out of the Unkown episode when it was first broadcast.
Such a shame it was erased
Can you recall much about it?
@@Dalek6388 Hi, only from faded memories.
I do clearly remember the main protagonist shooting the gun at the Dalek, as the Dalek was a manifestation of his childhood fears.
I watched it in black and white as we didn't get our first colour set until 1970
I guess the nation estate overstretching their meal ticket isn’t just a modern thing 😂
That moment when you wanna just slap the 21 people who disliked this video...
Amazing work, this continues to be an incredibly professionally produced series. I knew only knew the basics of The Destroyers, not all the legal wrangling behind the scenes. Didn't know any of the Out of the Unknown stuff outside of the Mind Robber costumes.
I downloaded the Opening Night version of this as my internet was acting up and, in case it went out while I was watching it, I would still have it. So, it has been "saved" for future fans! LOL
We still have it too just in case. But it was only a few seconds of cuts.
This could genuinely be a BBC documentary.😀😀this is brilliant!😆
Thank you!
Yes, because it is all about how the BBC are the 'good guys'.
So how were they planning to bring back Sara Kingdom, since she dies of old age at the end oc The Daleks' Master Plan? Was this intended to be a prequel? Would Nicholas Courtney have been involved?
I really doubt they were interested in any sort of Doctor Who related continuity.
Maybe it would’ve been a prequel to her time on doctor who
I was at the 1968 Boys and Girls Exhibition at Olympia
What memories do you have of it? Can you recall how many Daleks they had there?
@@Dalek6388 I remember there being one grey dalek on day we went, it was towards the end of the exhibition, although there was an operator in the dalek he appeared tired and didn't move about much, you couldn't get close due to crowds of other kids. The dome would swivel and the eye would point at a kid who would run away screaming.
There was also an ice warrior and a yeti they appeared to have been stuffed and left in enclosures behind barriers.
As an adult I made my own cyberman outfit, as a child we'd visited St Paul's Cathedral and walked down the steps at outside, seeing the cybermen invading a place I had already been to made an impression on me. My cyberman although not accurate is instantly recognised as a 1970's cyberman.
Thanks! We love to hear memories of those old events! There is a little footage of the 1968 exhibition on UA-cam as well as the older show in 65
@@Dalek6388 Although my 9 yr old self was disappointed with the Dr Who exhibit at Olympia I can still remember it, I'm sure there were loads of other really interesting things to look at and do that day but I can't remember them.
I already knew the difference between reality and fiction, to suspend disbelief we needed to be able to role play but there were just too may kids passing through the exhibit on too many days for the illusion to remain fresh. You didn't get the chance of a personal interaction with the dalek. Video games hadn't yet been invented but we didn't get the chance to hold ray guns or fly space ships.
The 1968 Boys and Girls Exhibition was reported on BBC SE Region magazine show Town & Around in the just after the 6pm News slot that would be occupied by Nationwide in 1969.
They showed the Daleks and other Dr Who exhibits as well as other fun but forgotten stuff. The film was aimed at parents to take their children while encouraging children to pester them.
I wonder if this infomercial still exists.
Wow! I thought I knew everything about the Daleks' appearance outside Doctor Who.
I am a total n00b!
This is whole series is so well done, but this episode is my favorite!
They needed more investors in North America to make this series, a true reality and we would have experience an earlier North American Dr. Who fandom in 1960s and the syndicated Dr. Who might have been rescued with all seasons intact.
Your channel is better than watching BBC 4 documentaries very factual and very interesting thank you very much did he ever want the daleks in Blake seven.?
Thank you! I’m not 100% sure about the Blake 7 thing. I’ve heard it before but it would be something to look into.
Gosh, some really interesting stuff here, it's really strange to think what might have been if that Dalek series had been made. Even if it hadn't gone beyond the pilot it would be an interesting piece of curio to be able to watch. As would the OOTU episode if it were still in the archives, I hadn't heard about that before.
I hope all the cancelled stories of DOCTOR WHO were we will be constructed!
I can't believe how clueless Terry Nation was about how long it takes to get a production off the ground; especially when dealing with rights issues. It's like he has never worked in television or had anything to do with rights issues.
He's responsible for the Daleks and Blake's Seven. Give the genius a break.
@@Nautilus1972 I know. The Daleks are my favourite baddie and Blake's 7 is better than all the Star Trek's apart from the original, which I think it's equal too.
He might have worked on the basis of not knowing something is impossible, and therefore making it possible.
Many people in film or TV know next to zero about Production unless they are directly involved, trust me.
I would also like to point out how it was a different time.
Nowadays even authors who will never have a chance at writing for film or tv will ponder on what they will do with the movie rights of what they write, but we wouldn't have the history of rights battles if there weren't people to whom this stuff happened as the first precedent.
And they didn't have the internet back then, researching that kind of stuff would have been tedious.
So.... Copyright issues or UA-cam impenetrable objection issues?
I've come across a top -secret document that explains why this show never made it to air
" It Was secret actions of the Cybermen "
There's more but can't get to ....... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!
Cyberman: Delete... Delete
What did UA-cam have a problem with? I dont remember anything wrong...
UA-cam's gone to HELL since Google took over.
Thoroughly entertaining and fascinating insight on display... Would love you to turn your talents to... Out of the unknown...there is very little appreciation of this seminal piece of science fiction and would love you to turn your hand to an in-depth analysis...🐾
Thanks Alan! You should visit @BapVendor on Twitter for lots of great OOTU stuff!
Blame the Cybermen, it’s obvious
“delete, delete, delete”
As Im hearing the music Im getting a real portal vibe from it. I dunno if its featured somewhere else but Portal Stories Mel has a very similar soundtrack throughout most of the game.
Its some royalty free music that Gav found on YT.
@@Dalek6388Interestingly enough, it reminds me very much of "Eus Keus?" by Gwenno, from the "Le Kov" album. It was driving me nuts until I remembered...
The out of the unknown episode is like Doctor who meets inception
I remember visiting the Dr. Who exhibition at Blackpool and there being some Daleks. Does anyone know where they came from and what happened to them? I remember at least one "speaking" and moving a little.
Sorry, found the answer on your excellent website. Ta.
Glad you found it Eric! 🙂
I swear I watched this yesterday.
It was just a dream...
@@proudsnowtiger I also Dreamed this then, what happened youtube cant take the awesomeness
I watched it as well!
You showed pictures of the script of Get off my Cloud. Does the whole script exist online? Could I find it somewhere to read it?
Wow! Thank you!
I suspect that the use of theDaleks in Out of the Unknown was because existing props would be much cheaper than enormous dragons. Also, could it be that another actress was lined up to play Sara Kingdom? Perhaps an American to give it a chance in the US market?
@16:56 so the Daleks had Irises before their 1972 appearance in Day of the Daleks
Yes. First seen in Evil of the Daleks.
@@Dalek6388 They had Irises in Evil?
Yep. Check out our main website on the Evil page.
@@Dalek6388 Will do. I can't believe I didn't already know this about the Irises. Thanks
Sci-fi nerds make some interesting programmes. The Daleks were much scarier when first viewed on an old black and white tv.
ABC?! That's one of the big three here in the U.S.
Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
@@Nautilus1972 Ah ha.
ABC was the US studio that wanted the pilot, not the Australian BC.
ABC was called “Associated British Corporation” although American Broadcasting Company wanted the Pilot
interesting spin-off also an army of ghosts plot so early nice
Still brilliant!
Could you please upload the entire Wayne & Shuster Dalek sketch?
23:33 funny how they look like crude cybermen ;p
Yes, yes they do.
Where did you get the Colt 45 clips from?
Excellent work, thank you. I really like the music at the begining and end of the video (starting at 40 seconds). Is this an original piece too? Is there anywhere it can be heard or downloaded please? Cheers :)
It’s the Death to the Daleks incidental music done in the style of Seven Nation Army by the white stripes. It was arranged and performed for us by Graeme Allen. He has some music from the series on his channel but I don’t think the theme is available separately as yet.
@@Dalek6388 No no, that's not the piece I'm referring to. The music that starts at 40 second into the presentation, not the theme music :)
Ah sorry! I think Gav used some royalty free music for that. It’s available on UA-cam somewhere but I forget the name. I’ll see if I can find out
@@Dalek6388 Thanks I'd appreciate that. It sounds very WHO
How did I stumble across such a deep level of Doctor Who lore??
like I know I'm stoned as hell right now but I mean, damn
Also is it just me or was Terry Nation kind of a greedy asshole?? All this drama so he could make a few extra bucks? yikes
Thank goodness this never happened, we would have lost our Daleks here in the UK.
20:24 that plot was used in 𝘋𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘮𝘚𝘤𝘢𝘱𝘦
Hi, Doctor Who's Tardis. Was the Police box they use in Dixon of Dock Green. a TV show about a friendly Police man called Dixon solving crimes and helping people in his show. And he used a Police box to call the Police Station to have people he locked up in the Police box. Picked up. As Doctor Who was made on a budget. They found the Police Box. And got it for there show. Because Dixon of Dock Green had finished.
I think that may be a myth. I’m fairly sure that the DW box was made specially for the show.
I really think the BBC should attempt making a new version of these abandoned scripts. A Dalek spin-off series would probably have proven more popular than Class.
I agree - but, I enjoyed Class quite a bit. Too much blood though I thought - that damaged the show.
@@tortysoft I also loved Class, but a Dalek spin-off would definitely have been a wiser choice.
...I know this sounds like a crazy request, but where could I find a copy of the background music?
If its the music I'm thinking of then its royalty free music by Ross Bugden: ua-cam.com/video/Zuw_O5MU5CE/v-deo.html
@@Dalek6388 ... thank you so much!!...and I can't thank you enough for your videos... they are top notch!!!
Thank you. Glad you enjoy them. More to come soon!
I know that it isn't exactly PC to talk about it nowadays but do you know anything about the Daleks appearance on 'The Black and White Minstrel Show'?
Yes, it's not exactly something that people want to have brought up in this day and age, but I can remember reading about it as a kind of 'Moon Shot' act in a book entitled ('Doctor Who From A to Z' which was written by an ex editor of DWM) which I used to own back in the day.
Also, and I'll understand if you are unwilling to upload anything, due to the nature of the material but if you have any pictures or even footage from the said episode then could you please upload it.
I’m afraid we have nothing on it no and I’m not really sure I want to know more! I’d be intrigued to see pictures of the Daleks only though.
Thanks for your help, as it stands I was more interested in seeing the Daleks themselves and how they were worked into the act rather than the actors in blackface more than anything else.
I have seen, thanks to UA-cam, a few of the other acts that they did for their little show and while I am not racist I must admit to having a morbid fascination with such media (eg 'Tintin in the Congo') granted I may be somewhat desentised due to my repeated viewings of old films plus the fact it is seen as taboo does often draw me too that kind of media, but the historical context of the times it was made in has always interested me greatly plus the kind of thinking on the part of the original audiences of any era of which my interests would have been presented to interests me as well as I feel that understanding such things helps me enjoy old media a lot better.
I would recommend such thinking to anyone who wants to lets say, watch an old horror film on its own merrits rather than see it as 'old rubbish'.
Happy Times and Places!
Was Evil of The Daleks shown again on the BBC 2 years after its original screening ?
To mark the 40th anniversary of DR Who - the ABC (Australian version of the BBC) showed every episode of DR Who from the first Bill story to the last one (minus stories which had missing parts).
Also due to copyright fight with the Estate of Terry Nation and the BBC over the use of the Daleks. None of the dalek stories were also shown.
They ended up showing later ones. I distinctly remember seeing Tom Baker & Elisabeth Sladen era. I do remember not seeing any of the Dalek episodes.
Wow that's unbelievable!
This is absolutely fascinating. Do you have a website where we can read these letters, in order, in our own time? I'd love to read them properly
We do have a website at dalek6388.co.uk but unfortunately the letters are not posted there as we only have permission to use brief parts really.
I was always told that The Destroyers was never meant to happen, as far as Terry was concerned, and that it was just a way to leverage 100% control and ownership of The Daleks, as well as get a £20,000 payday, as Terry was always strapped for cash. The whole thing, as it was explained to me, was a scam.
I must ask how the hell did you get hold of the out of the unknown recordings.
So Terry Nation's agent was Steven Moffat's mother in law? Small World!
Rob Alexander that’s probably why the Dalek’s were overused when he was show runner
Well they do like to keep it in the family...
Where did the audio clips from 'Out of the Unknown' come from?
All thanks to Colin Cutler
Say, I feel that this is a repeat!
fascinating
Given Sara Kingdom's death in her only serial, that show would have presumably been a prequel, which is pretty bad-arse.
Well compare it with Dixon of Dock Green. The eponymous character first appeared in The Blue Lamp. By the end of the film he was dead!
*the chase dalek in the thumbnail has a dalek invasion of earth eyestalk.*
Yes there was a brief 'crossover' period where Dalek One had a silver eye in The Chase. It was eventually painted black.
just as great second time around....and third....
I wonder if this was re uploaded due to the rogue frame between a couple of shots?
Added to liked videos......again !
Bloody edited repeats it's getting like ITV 3+4 😁😁
I hope the episode is found someday.
The spin off that could have been
R.I.P Kevin Stoney
Your UA-cam post was unavailable suddenly yesterday mid-comment. Anyway - 1) I just find Nation's behaviour was outrageous, after all the BBC designed the Daleks, gave them their voices etc and the platform for their success! 2) I am amazed BBC 2 had any interest in The Destroyers , I can't see how it would fit their remit.
Delia Derbyshire's robot song from that Out of the Unknown episode "The Prophet" that featured the White Robots.
ua-cam.com/video/jetzY-W78gg/v-deo.html
Really. Forced to re-upload? UA-cam both sucks and blows.
Where can I find the Out of the Unknown audio clips?
1:01 what song is that in the background
Gav uses royalty free music generally and it may be by this chap but I can't be sure! ua-cam.com/channels/QKGLOK2FqmVgVwYferltKQ.html
@@Dalek6388 thanks dude
Unfortunately it is not in the background, it tramples over the dialog, spoiling this video.