'I was wrong about Shamima Begum' Andrew Drury on SpectatorTV
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2023
- Kate Andrews speaks to Andrew Drury, an extreme tourist who visits some of the most dangerous parts of the world. He spent a year and a half getting to know the ISIS bride. Now Andrew has changed his mind about Shamima Begum
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Shamima Begum presents to me as a female narcissist (I'm a mental health care provider in USA); she uses people for what she can get from them (insecure, self centered), blames everyone around her for her present misfortunes, minimizes/denies reality, etc. One of the primary experiences I had recently with a female narcissi ex-boss of mine, was that she knew cognitively what she should say or do in a given situation, but when she responded it just did not connect emotionally. She knew the right words, but there was nothing beneath it. This is probably the thing that caught my attention with Shamima: she says the words (at times she just blunders around an interview) that she thinks she's supposed to say, but there is absolutely no actual human presence to accompany her words. This flatness is very likely part of a trauma reaction, but might also NOT be; depends on if she was like this prior to her 'freedom fighting' days. Her request of a hug from this journalist is key: she was testing him, because it was really about her and her perceived power to control, the guy failed when he hugged her and she grew in her misguided confidence that she has something valuable to say. Leave her in Syria, it suits her.
It's also telling that she claims to be smarter than "us". (I'm a psyche nurse). And, yes, the crying was just narcisstic manipulation. She got you to touch her, so that the hug would be more emotionally impactful to the guy, who she knew was going to be her publicty agent.
Ask the yazidis what she’s like. Also if she did come back and face trial she’d probably get a light sentence, then she’ll be on everything, strictly, bake off, who do you think you are, her own show. Keep her where she is.
LOL YOU ARE RIGHT 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
True nd in jail she gets free food nd home
Just because she was groomed doesn't mean she isn't a psychopath who wanted to be part of a sadistic bloodthirsty xtremist movement
She was incredibly cold and emotionless in the BBC documentary.
And she was part of the morality police. Meaning she has more than likely beaten and killed people.
She may well be a psychopath or sociopath, a narcissist or just foolish, but she was 15; she was a child when she went. If she's responsible, then any 15 year old girl raped by any of the many Pakistani grooming gangs throughout Britain's cities is also responsible for their poor decisions, and ultimately their fate.
I think Shamima's treatment has shown the UK to be a cruel and callous country. I am quite ashamed; we should be better than that.
She did WHAT! she went over to another country to fight in a war that was none of her business. She's British to the core. Welcome her back with open arms. She should work for the UK government or become a spy for the US.
@@cnrspiller3549 she should've come back at 16 then, rather than have stayed till the end. When she was an adult.
And since she made the adult decision to stay, that was her decision to make.
Explain that?
Extereme tourism and its promotion is not cool. There's a reason that the foriegn office advises against travel to these areas. Think about the people who will have to bail you out if you get in trouble. You'd be putting people's lives at risk, incurring huge cost at the taxpayers expense and causing more instability in already volatile areas.
I note that the BBC and liberal elites are now sponsoring Shamima Begum's campaign to return to the UK by arguing that she's nothing to be afraid of and that any oposition to thier goal is based on her being a danger to the public. Of course she's not dangerous. She's just a silly little girl. We all know that. What's dangerous is the message it gives to others that it's ok to take up arms against your country and if you do we are so weak that you will be forgiven. Shamima Begum and her kind are traitors. They do not belong in this country.
Do I need to say this? Remember the suffering of the victims of the Manchester bombing.Who would take the responsibility of allowing a “Manchurian Candidate” back into the country?
Agree. All our problems are just SYMPTOMS of our own Liberalism.
We let in thousands every month. Why is this one giving everyone a justice boner? Immigrants have r£ped and murdered all over the UK. But oh noes, Shamina might er, do something. Better let in hundreds of thousands of totally anonymous muslims instead.
She explained her words later with being watched in camp by others and any wrong statement could lead to severe problems with other inmates.
but she was in Syria in that time, how can she be responsible for what happened in Manch?
@@ujfalusik1 Manchuria?
I just found Begum incredibly cold and emotionless in the BBC documentary.
Just because she isn't like you would her to be doesn't mean she is an evil person. She went through a lot of trauma and that can cut you off your emotions for sure.
I doubt the grand narcissist really feels suicidal - pissed off at not being able to manipulate the system but not suicidal. I stronly dissagre about what citizeship means and just being born in a country dose not make you a citizen. On that basis she should be tried for treason along with all the other crimes she was a party to. Ultimately it should send a clear message to all the other anti British, "British" passport holders.
Sounds as though she’s still an active risk.
There are people living in other countries than the UK. Shamima has Bangladeshi nationality, so presumably she can go and live there. With the (free) education she received in the UK, she could do quite well, no reason for feeling suicidal there, but if she does, she could spare a thought for people she sowed in with the bombs.
What make you think she has Bangladeshi citizenship?
@@adtastic1533 who cares!
@@adtastic1533 Begum also holds Bangladeshi citizenship through her parents, under section 5 of the Citizenship Act, 1951
I wouldn't care if she is left stateless. As a Brit the very prospect of people like her being giving a sympathetic platform disgusts me. ISIS has killed to many of our people for me to give a damn about a traitor like her.Her being stateless in a refugee hellhole is a fitting punishment for her.
What if Bangladesh stripped her of her citizenship? She was born and raised in the uk...
A thoughtful and interesting insight. However, to me she chose a hostile foreign state ( whether we recognise that claim of statehood or not ) and chose to side with one of the most evil and despicable groups in the world and has no right to come back. If our legal system wasn't such a global joke and she would serve a realistic sentence for its full term I doubt she would even want to. She is still playing us. If we can't even protect children in this country, I don't expect justice can be relied upon and clearly she knows that.
Fragile hostile state. ? Its americas mess. Syria & Damascus is 6000 years old . Fragile? That’s the problem. No one understands history or Americas foreign policy . It’s the age of dumb
Andrew Drury wants to hit the mainstream. He has used Shamima Begum to further his career.
Yeah he's fuckin smarmy isn't he
And here we are watching it.
What possible benefit to Britain is she? I can't try think of one, leave her on the path *she chose.*
Cats can be born in a stable, it does not make them horses.
She's as British as you.
@@Narcjus No.
@@amandaJ7449 She is. Face it.
Good one!!! Very true
She considers herself a Muslim. She doesn’t care about Britain. Her loyalty is not with her birth country but with her fanatic Islamic State. Nothing will ever change that. It amazes me that we went through a 20 year war with these people and western society still cannot understand their very simple mindset that only death will change. Osama Bin Laden ( hate that man) summed it up when he said” the West will never understand that the west dies to live but Muslims live to die. Until we understand that concept we will never understand Islamic terrorist.
Even before watching this video, based on previous videos, my view is that she killed her own children. The reason why I think so is that in all the deaths of her 3 children, she was present when they died. She said her 2 children died suddenly at night without being sick. In the morning they were not alive anymore without being sick. Who was with the children? Herself. When her younger child died in the hospital, who was present? Herself. Is she incapable of killing her children or she did it to unburden herself?
She had children in Syria. It appears that they died of ''malnutrition''. Looking at her face, she has pretty round cheeks and is in good shape. What really happened to them ? We will never know.
Very dangerous.
My mum and our whole family experienced trauma and I can affirm to you that my mother and siblings we cry are always broken as if it happened yesterday 💔 still grieving its a heavy burden like a rock bloke on the throat.
Huh?
Her husband said, "She is a manipulator."
He would tho.
what husband? the father of her children. why did she go?.
Absolutely pathetic. This guy sums up the state of Britain at the moment.
Liberalism has destroyed our brains.
Do yo mean bleeding hearts happy to relentlessly increase the weapons to Ukraine?
Two replies to your comment and I can't see either of them! That's YT for you 🤦
Weird how we never see her baby’s face, just looks like she’s holding a blanket
Or doll in blanket.
Labour will definitely let her run as a councillor followed by a MP. You will see
How gullible can one man be???
@Martin Harnett true words.
I understand she was born her, but I consider being British as also being a privilege. She left our country to join them, I don’t care how old you are. She knew what she was getting into
BS. A 15 year old knows squat. They think they know, but they haven't a clue. If you had any teenage kids that would be clear as day to you.
@@chickenlover657 some things you would know, especially that isis is a death-murdering cult
U reap what u sow she chose this life she must stay where she is
It appears the UK intelligence services know more than we do about her. She will never return. Her legal team would be better trying to get another country to accept her rather than appealing the courts decision.
The legal team are in it for the fees and act of subversion.
She is married to a Dutchman so she could try going down that route
Don't the British love their country?
He doesn’t seem a terribly erudite man, I was surprised that he writes or is a filmmaker….I’ve never heard of ‘extreme tourism’, it sounds a little shabby and voyeuristic.
And attention seeking...something Andrew and Shamima have in common
Are you saying that bcs he doesn't have the 'right' accent to be considered educated??
Why because he is at odds with mainstream media that has an agenda and no longer possess journalistic integrity.
Those days are gone.
I'll trust the words of those who aren't paid to stick to a narrative.
He was a travel journalist. Get over it.
Why doesn't he just go on holiday in Tuscany or Disneyland?
I agree with the UK’s decision but I think her child should be given a chance and be adopted by a loving family.
All three of her children died under her care.
She'll be back under the next Labour government.
Minister for Refugees ?
I really think we should ask her victims what we should do?
They can't say--they're headless...
Begum should never be allow back in the UK.
JUDGING FROM HER BEHAVIOR HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT SHE DID NOT STAGE THE DEATH OF THE HER CHILDREN
It’s not hard to imagine that babies die in unsanitary conditions without adequate nutrition. When babies are weaned they can become sick from unclean water. Inadequate nutrition in the mother means the babies aren’t healthy to begin with.
A nobody talking to a nobody about a nobody.
...and being commented on by a nobody
@@altcoin8327 and replied to by a nobody.
Nah..they have a bit more intelligence than the subject of their comment
We let Tareena Shakil who was 24 years old back in the country and she did only 3 years in prison but we wont let back a 15 year old child who was groomed and I think many forget that! Many who speak about her prior to leaving will tell you in the space of 12 months she went from not being religious to flying out to ISIS! She was a child groomed by predators and also her best friend went there before and fed her lies about life out there.
Going somewhere like that when you are only 15 and seeing the things she has seen and experiencing the things she has there will be a level of separation and I imagine many of things she says she had not seen she very well could have blocked it out due to PTSD.
I am by no means saying she should be bought back to roam the streets but IMO she should be allowed back and serve an indefinate jail sentence and only released when it is deemed she is not a danger to the public. We have terroists who are released back into the UK after jail sentences and they are still free to roam the streets and these are men in their 30's and not a child of 15
"Indefinite" is a very dangerous label.
How did she lose her 3 children?
Begum's newborn son, who was named after her firstborn, [Jarrah, a name she previously identified as an isis fighter], died in March 2019, in a Syrian refugee camp, an official said.The baby, who was less than three weeks old, died of pneumonia, according to a medical certificate. She had previously told reporters that she lost two other children to malnutrition and disease. The Sun online 15.9.21 [apart from the info in the brackets].
She had children in Syria. It appears that they died of ''malnutrition''. Looking at her face, she has pretty round cheeks and is in good shape. What really happened to them ? We will never know.
She'll be back 100% ... the passage of time and the drip drip impact of docus/articles of this type will see to that
Andrew Drury has zero understanding of trauma
THE IDEA OF RUNNING AROUND WITH OUT BAGGAGE'S AS SHE CAN EASILY DISMISSED THE CHILD'S DEATH " IM OVER IT "
I could not get to the end of this interview. Not my cup of tea.
How is this guy funding his extreme holidays when he claims to receive no payments?
They should put her on Love Island
Love Islamd
@@Robert-Downey-Syndrome ah hahaha
@@Robert-Downey-Syndrome and then drop some orange agent over it
shes baddi always asking me stat de ried stat de ried 🤣
Not convinced
Let's hope the government don't get a taste for cancelling citizenship eh? I mean, I trust a politician to make a completely neutral decision any time, without any fear of corruption or self interest. So, what could go wrong. I've said some pretty mean things myself, If I leave the country, who knows?
@@MarkJones-gt2qd I read that between 1973 and 2006 there was zero cases of people losing British citizenship. Since then it's increased (stealth). The sooner the Conservative government is gone, the better. It's disturbing.
@@Narcjus I guess stupidity is dependable. Every step they take is an incremental removal of some rights. Lockdown was a complete disgrace, but it was popular with the sheep, because they imagined it helped. It didn't help. But it was temporarily popular, and never mind the idea of curfew being a martial law. Now it's done, we conceded, and they will do it again, with impunity. That they got us to pay for it all is the cherry on the top. I'm glad you can see the danger with Shamina, personally I don't care about her, and she's hardly "a danger". I don't like her, but I don't like the government far far more.
@@MarkJones-gt2qd At least 373 people have lost British citizenship since 2006.
I remember seeing this guy on TV being supportive of her, I remember thinking "another useful idiot". Glad to see that hes proved me wrong.
I found a part of this hilarious. You don’t have to be a fanatical supporter of anything to go off someone who appeared to support the death penalty/ hanging for you. Anyone in the world would possibly change their attitude! That’s no confirmation of anything. 😫😫😫🤣🤣
A hug just makes everything ok? She’s not your daughter, dude. If she is allowed to come back, it will send a message to every girl that they can go try the Taliban in for size and come back if they don’t like it. Do that enough times and eventually one will commit heinous acts. But, carry on, cheerio
Money, I have no doubt there is an #Hawala Banking system in the camp. The Brothers and Sisters no doubt top it up monthly...
Taxpayer shouldn’t be paying for her to be in prison eat everyday . Taxpayer shouldn’t be paying her court fees
Come into the sunshine
What about watching men being beheaded and smiling .why do you think she asked you for a hug to get you on her side
She was very manipulative to all three interviews and she might have been trying to manipulative you as well to get you on her side.Suicides thoughts are horrible horrible I saw it on my mum more than five times she was flat down weeping uncontrollably as one mourning for some one who has passed away and locked in her bedroom. I think my mum is alive bcoz she is my only carer.
Citizenship is an INALIENABLE right that nobody has the power to remove! Politicians are behaving immorally and illegally when they take this power unto themselves. Nobody is empowered to give any politician that right.
What, it's inalienable because you've declared it so? In all caps, no less?
@@Zidana123 It's international law. Begun will take the UK Govt to the Hague and she will win
@@adtastic1533 Fascinating. What other predictions have you got there in your crystal ball?
There are no inalienable rights in the UK. It is a parliamentary democracy based on parliamentary legislative supremacy. This means that legislation is the highest form of law in the UK.”
This means parliament can create or scrap any law, including a right to free movement.
Fundamental rights and freedoms in the United Kingdom are outlined in the Human Rights Act 1998, which incorporated principles of the European Convention on Human Rights
It's laughable that you think the Hague can have any say in UK law.
Effect of Brexit on EU law in the UK
As of that point, directly applicable EU law ceased to apply to the UK under the EU Treaties and the UK ceased to be bound by the obligations under those treaties, which require EU Member States to ensure that their domestic legislation meets the EU obligations set out in EU laws.Oct 9, 2022
Exactly. If they will do it to "them," they will eventually do it to us. This is why the Shamima Begum story is so scary.
Some people just don't hear the word NO Once again why is this still a point of discussion 🤔
Why not discussed at UN,shame on these type of individual never take them back HOME THEY WILL BE CELEBRITIES THE WILL WILL FAMOUS AND RICH
Beta boy male. Adopt her if you want and she can live with you and or your family. Just hope you sleep well and keep your doors locked😎 P.S hide the kitchen knives.
Andrew i love you so much 😘😘 at first i thought you was a man taken in by a pretty face but you are truth
She is a hard person her facial and stance tell you all you need to know.
I dont want to say much u tube will block me again
It’s interesting that a lot of non British in this country want to bring it down. If it is so bad in the U.K. then they are free to go, please. I am sick of this constant rhetoric about racism, white people are racists to each other. Learn to deal with life, be proud of who you are. Shamima should not be allowed to come back.
Andrew is sick of Stockholm Syndrome. She is very clever and well trained Jehaadin. She says one of video she didn’t faze while watching beheading. She didn’t show her real face to him. It’s part Jehaad Training. She is ticketing Bomb.
Andrew needs counselling from psychiatric.
ONCE A MOSLEM ALWAYS A MOSLEM
She is a dangerous person.
Is she really a victim ??? She choose freely to go to Syria, all by herself. She has been trained to used arms and explosives vest. Besides playing the victim online... what else can she do in UK...? Maybe to prepare the site for other terrorist attacks ? It's not safe for anyone in UK having her around. She had children in Syria. It appears that they died of malnutrition. Looking at her face, she has pretty round cheeks and is in good shape. What really happened to them ? We will never know.
This guy got a little too close. Maybe WAY too close.
Passports dont make you british.
Shemima Begum who!
Why not send her to Rwanda?
They do not want criminals - only failed asylum seekers.
She can come to my country
Take a shower, brush your teeth, use deodorant--maybe you can get a real date.
@@sagrammyfour 🤣😂🤣
Lol brits debating over a bangladesi immigrant who somehow become a citizen... Package her to bangladesh problem solved... She not gonna be a model citizen or contribute to your society😅😅
Piers, you need to allow your interviewee to complete their sentence and coach them beforehand to reciprocate. I was seeking a considered debate and exchange of ideas and what I saw was a single word ping pong interruptathon with minimal listening. It was unwatchable.
Ok boomer 😅
@@hhorror GenX actually.../.but what has age got to do with a desire to hear reasoned discourse....actually scratch that.
Is she gonna blow up parliament
She was groomed by her parents. And the community around them.
I don't like the interviewer
I don't like the interviewer or the reporter.
An understandable human reaction, but was he manipulated?
Honestly, the country, where former prime minister Tony Blair, an adult man and experienced politician, believed and got misleaded and manipulated by his advicers and by intelligence units and by American allies to join the war against Iraq - the very samy country is now judging a girl, who was 15 years old when she got brainwashed and manipulated by islamic fundamentalist head hunters?Who could she ask, who could she speak to? Nobody in the society was prepared fot this, nobody even anticipated, that such things could happen.. How should she know, when Tony Blair did not know. I mean, I hate Daesh (the so called Islamic state), it is a barbaric, satanic ideology, but come on, are we really going to sacrifice some black sheep just to please our need of revenge? Maybe she is psychopatic, or just influenced by the whole atmosphere in her family, and in the society and in the world, things happen because of circusmtances that we did not choose - that can be veryx difficult for a young unexperienced person to handle....that would explain a lot, but doctors must check it first and judge needs to see what they found...In my opinion, she should be a study case, but not necesarily a future prisoner... Did they tell her to help the suicide bombers to set up the explosive system? Maybe they told her. And she did it, because since the begining when she joined the mission, she was told it was a great thing, the greatest in the world to do such things and that God will her send to Paradise and that it is her duty, not free will, but duty... When I see her family, the background that she came ftom, they are all just very ordinary people, just pawns on the chessboard, conservative, religious, humble people. The only probles of their daughter is, that she was not ignorant, nor lazy, that she showed interest in something else than fashion and music and typical girly things and that she was in the age, when people believe they can make big things, that they need to serve to big ideas.If she were an English middle class girl protestant or atheist, Royalist, labourist or Tory, does not matter, whe would have been indoctrinated by typical mainstream what is good and not good, and her only ambition would be to work in London City, to become a teacher, get married, have children and istead of going to Rakka, she would go for holidays in Spain, where she would get probably sunburned the first day. But no, this girl grew up differently and the world around her looked also different. As Christians, we should give her 2nd chance in life. Not abandon her because somebody else influenced her more systematically, than we did. We are bigger than that, I believe.
Why does she not just become an illegal refugee. She should make it to France and across the channel and then present herself as a refugee. As someone who is stateless there would not be state to return her too. That is the first legal argument she could use. Secondly, she would then start a new legal argument around her legal status as a UK citizen and do the courts have the right to strip her of this.
Here is a legal argument she could use, Archie (mad dog) McCafferty who moved to Australia from Scotland at the age of 10 and never returned, went onto murdered 4 people in that country. He was then allowed to return to Scotland once his 25 years in prison was complete. At no time did the UK Government seek to deny he was not a UK citizen despite him living 42 years in Australia and committing multiple murders whilst living in another country. If the UK Gov had no legal right to strip McCafferty of his citizenship, why is a different legal status being applied to Begum?
Bring her back to face a trial?? what is the safty of people after she is released? Dont you think to murder anyone, for someone like Shamima who has no emotion, feelings wouldnt be that hard?
Someone who cheers for Manchester bombing.
We all want to do good things but to not for any ISIS member...never mind what other countries are doing for their murderes trolls.
Bangladesh should step up and give her citizenship. Then she can go live in Bangladesh with her father. It's a Muslim country so she should fit right in.
And why should they? She has never been there and doesn't speak the language very well. Stop putting British issues on other countries.
Another biased liberal interviewer.
But a coutry is responsible for its citizens both in good and bad terms. UK just can not leave her in Syria, what should Syria do with her? Moreover the camp is organized by another states- who have no relation to her- and will not exist anymore. I think Britain should treat this woman the same way like Germany treated the wifes of SS man and the women who collaborated with the nazis. I think she did not kill anybody with her hands, nor she organized any terror. She was wife of a religious revolutionarist, she gave birth to their 3 babies. And she married a bad guy when she was 15, not mature and they told her it is a right thing to do it, to become a worthy servant of God. I am sorry, but you really think you can take a citizenship from a person or put that person in a prison for many years for marrying a bad guy, giving birth in such low age to 3 children and taking care for them? Really, somebody thinks, that a mother of 3 babies had time for being a terrorist between the time when she put them to bed for sleep, breeded them and took care for them and in between time her belly was big like a baloon because of being constantly pregnant? I think the only possible thing to do is to bring her back to Britain, put her to special court, put her under psychiatric examination and decide if and how many years she should spend in jail. And after she gets released, she will be watched and monitored for most of her life. Yes, maybe she is psychopatic, maybe she is not, that is one problem, another problem is how much we know about how religious indoctrination affects people and we shoud also realise that the headhunters, the recruiters use for their work a highly efficient system of brainwashing that specialises on identifying and targeting of a specific type of people - intelligent, extremely devoted to be important, famous, or simply be the best believer, the reflection of God - and that this system has been elaborated for 14 centuries, the methods of using guilt and giving chance for good life really exist and are in practise. If this young woman is left in Syria, out of British control, what do you think will happen? She will become loyal to the first person/intelligence unit/terrorist comando who will give her chance for a new life. and yes, they will for sure use her again and who knows. maybe this time she will really become a terrorist. Why? They can promise her money and new identity if she does, what they need. She will accept. Because if not, they will kill her, put to jail or sell her to slavery. she will do it, because she will believe that afterwards she will be free, and maybe even financially stable... Is that what you, British, really want? and last thing: do not forget, that people do not live in vacuum. she was also part of a society, that did not manage asimilate families like hers into the society. so there is also a failure in this system. If British government allows Imams to spread their devilish views of islam among people -and we all know what conservatives/orthodox fundamentalists regardless what religion are able to do, then we can not be surprised. Britain should develop their own, British and to the UK loyal Imams, sort of British Islam teachers and give no space to any of those evils from the past to brainwash the citizens.
She was born in the UK.come home
Away an beil yir heed ya numpty
This lier just makes me sick
Lie after lie after lie
He is literally making lies as he talks
Shehhhh
Can’t you ever stop lying !!