NOTE: Those claiming the date on the CPU being 2023 proves that it's fake are wrong. My Ryzen 7900X that was released September 2022 has 2021 on it. Plus, he shared the picture of the box, etc. SECOND: I can't believe I didn't think to mention it, but the 9900X has 2 6 core CCDs, while the 7800X3D has1 8 core. So that might explain the performance discrepancy. Though the 7900X is faster than the 7700X, so I'm not sure.
*I want to know what ram support there is for the 9000 series from AMD. I hope it is higher than 5,200 MHz. At LEAST 5,600MHz.* *That way, we can use 6,800 MHz ram on AMD rigs.*
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 It's up to DDR5 8000 according to AMD from their event I attended. The sweet spot is still 6000 because of the infinity fabric though.
But notice that it says "Made in CHINA" ... that means this is supposed to be released in China, (and a few maybe a few surrounding countries) for the REST OF THE WORLD it would say "Made in TAIWAN" (and probably also "Diffused in Malaysia" like previous generation) and that is because the CCP is a bunch of INSECURE EVIL BULLIES and WILL NOT allow ANYTHING to say "Made in Taiwan" to be sold in China because the CCP considers Taiwan to be part of China even though Taiwan is it's OWN INDEPENDENT DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY and the CCP has NEVER RULED TAIWAN !!!!! - DOWN WITH CCP!!!! DOWN WITH XINNIE THE POOH!!!!
I pray for the consumer GPU market AMD is very aggressive. I think the $550 USD 7900GRE is good example. Attack the upper mid range as the top sku with a vey aggressive price. Own the middle of the market and pick up volume. Let green have the 2k 5090.
@@MrSyphon28 I remember seeing the 7900 XTX for 699 a few weeks ago. This is an insane price I would have gotten if my system could handle it lmao. Many consumers are drooling for that kind of power at normalish prices. Two thousand for a singular part that's redundant in a few years is not something that looks nice to most people that play games and stuff (great for producers and workloads though.)
@7:10 Now this is how you communicate with your customers. "Hey, we discovered some problems. We need more time to make it right" Easy. Everyone understands that making processors is hard. What pissed people off about Intel is their silence.
For a non 3D chip to almost hit the same gaming speeds as a 3D chip is actually very impressive. Not sure why they are painting it in a negative view, very impressive speed from a 9900x NON 3D chip, and its not even overclocked.
This might be a more widespread version of the situation that happened recently with AMD's chip review from Linus Tech Tips. It was close enough for even AMD to say "Seems about right" but still low enough for everyone involved to scratch their heads. Perhaps the review samples they sent out might've been slightly defective, or unstable at higher voltages which would end up giving bad overclocking results. We know most people buying AMD intend to overclock, weather that's day 1, or years down the road: AMD is the tinker toy, always has been.
@@bogartwilley AMD hasn't really been good for CPU overclocking since ryzen came out. I own all ryzen gens, none of them OC very well. My 5950x will run at 5.15ghz, up from like 4.9ghz, 7950x will do 5.8ghz and 5.2 under load at very best. Now the old FX chips you could get some wild performance gains with memory/HT overclocking, phenom II could get 30% or more at the same clocks by FSB overclocking which put it ahead of the early i7s.
but AMD did say that their 9700x is almost at par with the 7800x3d... that's why... 9900x should be in fact higher than the 7800x3d because of that.... at least in my opinion.
They have no idea what they're talking about because they haven't even tested any chips yet. It's all speculation and hearsay because talking bad about Intel gets views. AMD people are so bloodthirsty for some reason that any bad news they eat it up. Intel already said there may be some oxidation issues with an early batch in 2023. So they're not hiding anything.
a little more insight from Gamers Nexus: this *should* only apply to 13th Gen, with 14th Gen being released after the oxidation issue was solved, but 14th Gen is still dealing with the voltage issues -which hopefully fixed by UEFI update + microcode fix from intel in mid-late august but is still a massive screw up nonetheless
I have a feeling it's actually because now they have a WHOLE LOT OF COMPANIES replacing their 13/14th gen with 9000 Ryzen's and THEY COME FIRST so WE have to wait 2 extra weeks
I am quite pleased that I just went with an R7-5800X3D because I get to skip all of this drama. Instead of buying new RAM and a new motherboard, I just bought 64GB of DDR4-3600.
Intel's statement is oxidised vias caused increased voltage, and therefore crosstalk stability issues - not an over voltage issue causing permanent damage.
I seem to recall the 5800X3D beating the 7900X in gaming performance. That just shows that the extra cache, in applications that can use it (such as gaming), makes a big difference.
Information on Intel's instability problem. Let me preface this by stating I have a 13700k on a gigabyte aero z790 motherboard. I did some testing on my own by testing various bios revisions from gigabyte. I found that the recent bios updates, shoot my voltage up to 1.5v in some instances, causing my cores to thermal throttle at 100c. The lower bios revisions, (f9 and f10) for the z790 aero , do not exhibit this behavior. So I believe this is a multi-pronged issue. It's both Intel's microcode and the motherboard manufacturers bios. I simply reverted back to the most recent bios which doesn't exhibit this behavior and left the settings at stock. Now my 13700k peaks at 70C to 72C while under a gaming load. Test your bios and revert back until Intel releases new updates mid August.
I'm happy with a 7950x3d and continue using it both for gaming and work. My next upgrade will be the last fastest AM5 CPU when it comes out in the coming years, then I will be good to go with that for another 4-5 years or so. Big jump will be the 16-Core per CCD with massive cache which is still future music. If you are gaming mostly, rather invest into a better GPU.
@@benpedi6645 Let's not forget X3D sees large benefits in certain titles, but little to none in others - the results you have are going to clearly depend on which games you test. We shouldn't be surprised if generic Ryzen 9000 cleanly beats 7000X3D in esport titles, which are usually the most popular amongst the public - these aren't CPU intensive as a rule.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 I think you have it reversed. Esports titles are almost always CPU bound. According to that Italian youtube the 7800x3d is ~10% faster in Fortnite and CS2. Compared to regular ryzen 7000x, last gen x3d chips were significantly faster in Dota, but even in League. And sure, esports are the most popular, but **MOST** people are not going to go out and buy bleeding edge hardware to play games that can run fine on ryzen 3000 and a 2060.
Any idea about the 9000 series price? Just ballpark guessing. I am so hyped about this new series, so trying to save some money for it. However, i have no clue about possible prices for 9000 series X3D CPUs. Same with the X870E motherboards. Wanna upgrade my AM4 system to AM5. Just very excited :D So, feel free to guess :)
I'm hoping you'll read my comment this time, being as it's the third time that I've posted it across different videos. Kopite 7Kimi is pronounced KOP ITE, not KO PITE. For your information, a kopite is a nickname for a Liverpool football club fan. The home end of Anfield football ground (where Liverpool play their home games) is called the Kop, hence a kopite is a Liverpool supporter. I know Americans sometimes have real trouble with pronunciation but I'm happy to help you out on this one....
This is the exact anti-consumer practices Intel had when they dominated before Ryzen back to Core 2 Duo. We can't allow AMD to do that without consequence. It just hurts the consumer.
I could really use the 60+% performance uplift of the Titan card over the 4090. My card struggles running games on my simrig. But Im scared that the price will also increase by 60+%... It sure will!
I already knew the 9k series could have issues, similar to how the 7k series had issues before. I also knew no point in upgrading from 7k to 9k, cause gpu limited... at 4k 9k series cant do anything more then the 7k series can do.
@@bal7ha2ar My guess is that there's nothing really wrong with the chips themselves ... AMD is probably buying time to tweak bios profiles for better performance (they can't recall the millions of chips and re-produce them in two weeks), waiting for Intel to release a performance crippling microcode update, so they can launch with even a greater performance gap between them and Intel. More a marketing move than anything.
Exactly my though. The A6000 is really tempting to me. The VRAM is much more interesting (Won't be, it would kill the a6000 too soon. I expect a middle man here)
I'm waiting for the 6090 to come out before I give Nvidia any money. The way I see it, is that if this 5000 series release really does have those ranges of improvement, then waiting one more generation for the power cable fiasco to settle out and not be a problem anymore will probably be for the best in the long run. That 6000 series should still be a 10-20% improvement bare minimum between the 90 models for that new generation. Possibly more, but don't wanna say more since improvements are often incremental nowadays. But if the 5000 series is really bringing it in, then the 6000 series will be icing on the cake for those of us who have been using AMD for a while now; but kind of want to get a 'final GPU' so to speak. It probably won't truly be the last one, but will be used like it is for a long time. That kind of usage requires a monster of a card.
Called it. I’ve been telling people for months that it looked like a Titan was going to be made using mcm and the 5090 might also be mcm and a cut down version of that.
nvidia working on performance targets instead of power targets again we need optimized cards within the 70W limit, these can really rip most of games to shreds easily anyway and the efficiency would be divine
AMD delaying the release by only about two weeks is really no big deal at all compared to shipping defective units. I'm looking forward to the 9000 series CPUs for my next PC build!
Replacing my 4090 with either 5090 or Titan if it comes. Huge upgrade if these numbers add up. And the more vram is always welcome when gaming in 4k with mulitple monitors ect Will however likely wait for the 9950x3d since the regular 9950x will barely if any be an upgrade over my 7950x3d
With the GPU quality going down hill, I'll not upgrade my 4090 to 5090. The 12 pin connectors killed many GPUs and still waiting on it on mine. My 1080ti outlasted my 3090 under a year barely used. I won't spend more on a block that doesn't cover warranty. If anything it is better to go with AMD for gaming, Nvidia too expensive.
My dude, tons of people use RTX GPUs for training AI models. A Titan "AI" card isn't a marketing gimmick, it's targeting people that train AI models on their desktop. Anyone who buys a Titan card with 32 GB of vram to play video games is an incredible sucker.
Biw W for amd, I'm glad they're holding back because of quality. When I eventually upgrade to amd5 and zen5 I don't won't qualityissues and like most people we won't upgrade straight away because we don't want the first batches for these reasons exactly. Can't wait honestly it going to be 10 year upgrade, and we gamers haven't had that upgrade gap for a long long time
I don't want to wait any longer, should I just say screw it and get a PC now? Or wait for the RTX 5000 series? I'm the only one who can answer that. So glad I haven't gotten one yet regardless though, as I know not to get Intel despite my familiarity with the platform.
@@commandershepard9920 I can get by with 2k but man, seeing all the cpu scores and then knowing that I game stuff like X4 etc. XD I am so tempted to go out and just buy a cpu as some of those tests show around 2.5x performance.
@@ashamahee Sounds like you're doing it right, 4k is too expensive, its just my TV is an OLED and I love the colors on it so I try to make do. But as you can imagine, with 2xxx series cards, I'm capped at 60 fps at 4K anyway due to HDMI 2.0 💀. Sticking to last gen games I can usually hit close to it, but, argh.
I don't like how 4090 is so much faster than the 4080 and the gap between 90 and 80 class will be widening. I would like it to be like it moves the class down every generation (6080 = 5090) but the flagship is about 25% more powerful than the second best. But whatever
You can’t trust that review, especially considering AMD has officially delayed shipment and reviews for a reported bug they’re addressing. They’re also recalling those chips shipped and are replacing them with new certified chips.
GamerMeld, just to let you know, blacking out or blocking out names is preffered over blur, blurs can be reversed pretty easily now if someone really wanted to do some harm, just letting you know.
Wait unless you just get an awesome deal on a high end one lol. Every company is coming out with new GPUs towards the end of the year. Intel, AMD, and Nvidia are all dropping cards. Battlemages, 8000s, and RTX 5000s are all coming out lol. But I'm very partial towards 7900 GREs. Great cards for a little over 500 most of the time and can be overclocked up to almost a 7900 XT. Slaughters 1440p and has a breath of power in every other degree. They'll age a lot better than most of Nvidia's cheaper cards too. If you do go green though, 70 Ti Super at least.
@@cuteAvancer I have an ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080TI. Would my gpu still be good to keep using with the new cpu or is it not doing the new cpu’s justice and it’s worth upgrading gpu’s too?
@Rayeo01 It's usually infinitely better to be gpu bound than cpu bound in my opinion. If what you have is struggling; going to one of the newer Ryzens will be great and be able to handle if you ever get a new GPU in the future lol. Having a struggling cpu and a overkill gpu just bottlenecks everything, ruins your frame timing, and makes your room very hot lol.
I have a 4090 strix and there's no point in something stronger right now. when a AAA game won't play @60 fps then maybe it'll be worth upgrading. but I don't see that happening for a while...
48% uplift for the 90 and only 29% for the 80? So both an even bigger gap, and the 5080 to be a step down from the 4090? And what does this mean for the low end of the stack this time? 5060 to pioneer being outright lower performance than the 4060? x900 AMD CPUs will never be ideal for gaming as long as they have that issue with two 6 core CCDs. It must be another generation of processing units coming out. I mean, a new wave of anti consumer things from terrible duopolies to gripe about.
So the 5090 will cost two grand and the new Titan probably at least $3500..... nah. I'd have been willing to go up to $2K for the top card, but any higher than that... forget it.
😅 When the particular game fully uses that cache, it will pull ahead and esspecially in the lows. In some games the zen5 will win. IPC vs Cache. I believe that the architecture of zen5 is cache starved in some games.. so it will have a massive uplift with the cache. Zen5 will get +20% where the 7800x3d got +15%.
If Nvidia increases prices, the whole next gen will be a big letdown. If my maths is correct, looking at the %increase in generation. The 5070 is slower than the 4080 and the 5080 is slower than the 4090. Also i bet the 5080 is not going to have 24gb of ram either. I would have really liked to see a full teir up in perf compared to last gen.
Not sure how a 25-30% performance increase is impressive, the TDP ain't really cut down as well, in fact it was increased. This generation is just another super version of the 4000 series super. The 5080 is just 29% faster than 4080 super, putting in the ballpark of 4090 performance. The 5070 Ti is probably just as fast as 5080 super and so on.
Well, here, lemme give you a history lesson. Intel screwed us for a decade with 5-10% increases. AMD came in with Ryzen and brought anywhere from 15 to 30% and more each gen.
@@tracesmith3572 that is in cpu space, if it happen in GPU i expect AMD to save the day with 3x more performance increase per gen just like in CPU space.
Nvidia proceeds to buff up by 48% an already ridiculous 4090 and give a 26% and 29% increase in the other models. It's like mocking you on your face because it clearly can buff up the lesser cards way more but chooses not to because they like money and another 26% increase will come next year with the 6080 and 6070...Am I being unreasonable?
It would seem by the leaks the RTX 5070 will be +26% more performant than the RTX 4070 Super. That could mean the RTX 4070 TI Super will match the RTX 5070?
@@lgoif1346 That doesn't make it invalid at all. For one, I'm literally the one who discussed that in the video, so it's not like I'm hiding it. But we have no clue what's wrong with them. It could be anything, and I highly doubt there's some big performance difference. They can't fix that in two weeks.
Nobody knows why AMD exactly took the first batch out, but there are always some "enligthened" YT commenters who know better. Or at least claim. Intel fanboi much?
"we found the cause with the cpu stability, it is the operating voltage".... wrong, that's the symptom, not the cause... the cause is deeper within your mess of a processor, also the fab might be an accomplice to this issue.
Well Yes I do Use a lot of AI tools and a Monters Card with extra VRAM is most defenatly most definitely a tool I would like in my arsenal. Especially if the price is around 2K.
A moment of silence for future incompetent second hand buyers who think Intel is the best and are buying 13th and 14th gen intel thinking it s a "good deal".
*I want to know what ram support there is for the 9000 series from AMD. I hope it is higher than 5,200 MHz. At LEAST 5,600MHz.* *That way, we can use 6,800 MHz ram on AMD rigs.*
It's hilarious how you always react to "AI" mentions. Personally, the entire reason I follow this channel, and developments in "gaming" hardware is because I use it for AI. Some of us (hobbyists) can't afford the NVIDIA and AMD data-center class kit and have to use consumer/gaming gear for AI. 🙂
i think, there is coming a another update for the new ryzen chips and then looking at the scores is better. prolly they breaks the performance intentionlly.
NOTE: Those claiming the date on the CPU being 2023 proves that it's fake are wrong. My Ryzen 7900X that was released September 2022 has 2021 on it. Plus, he shared the picture of the box, etc.
SECOND: I can't believe I didn't think to mention it, but the 9900X has 2 6 core CCDs, while the 7800X3D has1 8 core. So that might explain the performance discrepancy. Though the 7900X is faster than the 7700X, so I'm not sure.
Yes the date is when the DESIGN WAS CREATED (with exception to the steppings)
*I want to know what ram support there is for the 9000 series from AMD. I hope it is higher than 5,200 MHz. At LEAST 5,600MHz.*
*That way, we can use 6,800 MHz ram on AMD rigs.*
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 It's up to DDR5 8000 according to AMD from their event I attended. The sweet spot is still 6000 because of the infinity fabric though.
But notice that it says "Made in CHINA" ... that means this is supposed to be released in China, (and a few maybe a few surrounding countries) for the REST OF THE WORLD it would say "Made in TAIWAN" (and probably also "Diffused in Malaysia" like previous generation) and that is because the CCP is a bunch of INSECURE EVIL BULLIES and WILL NOT allow ANYTHING to say "Made in Taiwan" to be sold in China because the CCP considers Taiwan to be part of China even though Taiwan is it's OWN INDEPENDENT DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY and the CCP has NEVER RULED TAIWAN !!!!! - DOWN WITH CCP!!!! DOWN WITH XINNIE THE POOH!!!!
you are a trash clickbait
Those Nvidia percentage gains will also apply to MSRP 💀
price is double the % gain.
I pray for the consumer GPU market AMD is very aggressive. I think the $550 USD 7900GRE is good example. Attack the upper mid range as the top sku with a vey aggressive price. Own the middle of the market and pick up volume. Let green have the 2k 5090.
@@MrSyphon28 I remember seeing the 7900 XTX for 699 a few weeks ago. This is an insane price I would have gotten if my system could handle it lmao.
Many consumers are drooling for that kind of power at normalish prices. Two thousand for a singular part that's redundant in a few years is not something that looks nice to most people that play games and stuff (great for producers and workloads though.)
And power consumption. Nvidia will soon need to add an external power jack.
What about KOPITE7KIMI? That guy is a hero.
I'm just hoping that the 9000 chips pushes the 7000 prices down.
They likely will.
They will but it will def be several months down the line.
I trust Wendell's opinion, and this is NOT the problem, or atleast the only problem, with intels 13th and 14th gen. They're full of it.
I agree there's definitely something else going on.
I don't trust his opinion, he doesn't even know what a vid table is.
@@DingleBerryschnapps That's ok, I don't trust your opinion.
@7:10 Now this is how you communicate with your customers. "Hey, we discovered some problems. We need more time to make it right" Easy. Everyone understands that making processors is hard. What pissed people off about Intel is their silence.
right, it's not that there is a problem but how they deal with it. my 13900kf maybe the last intel CPU I buy depending on how they deal with it.
Intel trying to cover their asses in a sloppy statement really. 😁
After they tried to blame it on their AIB partners.
For a non 3D chip to almost hit the same gaming speeds as a 3D chip is actually very impressive. Not sure why they are painting it in a negative view, very impressive speed from a 9900x NON 3D chip, and its not even overclocked.
This might be a more widespread version of the situation that happened recently with AMD's chip review from Linus Tech Tips. It was close enough for even AMD to say "Seems about right" but still low enough for everyone involved to scratch their heads. Perhaps the review samples they sent out might've been slightly defective, or unstable at higher voltages which would end up giving bad overclocking results. We know most people buying AMD intend to overclock, weather that's day 1, or years down the road: AMD is the tinker toy, always has been.
Yah , for gaming the average uplift with an X3d over the non-x3d CPUs is huge .
@@bogartwilley AMD hasn't really been good for CPU overclocking since ryzen came out. I own all ryzen gens, none of them OC very well. My 5950x will run at 5.15ghz, up from like 4.9ghz, 7950x will do 5.8ghz and 5.2 under load at very best. Now the old FX chips you could get some wild performance gains with memory/HT overclocking, phenom II could get 30% or more at the same clocks by FSB overclocking which put it ahead of the early i7s.
@@PineyJustice because its overclocked out of the box
but AMD did say that their 9700x is almost at par with the 7800x3d... that's why... 9900x should be in fact higher than the 7800x3d because of that.... at least in my opinion.
Gamers Nexus says the Voltage problem is just a red herring and the problem is caused by oxidation.
What type of budget cuts are those
Pretty sure Intel admitted there was oxidation problems
@@supertrexandroidx ya that they never told the public about... and was "fixed"
They have no idea what they're talking about because they haven't even tested any chips yet. It's all speculation and hearsay because talking bad about Intel gets views. AMD people are so bloodthirsty for some reason that any bad news they eat it up.
Intel already said there may be some oxidation issues with an early batch in 2023. So they're not hiding anything.
a little more insight from Gamers Nexus: this *should* only apply to 13th Gen, with 14th Gen being released after the oxidation issue was solved, but 14th Gen is still dealing with the voltage issues -which hopefully fixed by UEFI update + microcode fix from intel in mid-late august but is still a massive screw up nonetheless
The more I see, the more I'm glad I just bought a heavily discounted Ryzen 7000 CPU.
yep, 7800X3D for $220 was an absolute steal.
@@robmnfuwhy is it a steal? Isn't it the best CPU for the gaming?
@@rokos.1239bro he meant that it’s a good deal as if you steal the cpu
I'll buy a R5 7600 at black Friday for like 150€ it will be great 😂
I just ordered a new 7800x3d 2 days ago for $300 and I am so friggen stoked
AMD Delays Ryzen 9000: “Did Not Meet Quality Expectations”
Intel release 14900 series: "Did Not Meet Quality Expectations"
@@PjotrIIdont meet stabilty expectativas
@@PjotrII Intel release 14900: "Did meet quality Space Heater Qualifications"
I have a feeling it's actually because now they have a WHOLE LOT OF COMPANIES replacing their 13/14th gen with 9000 Ryzen's and THEY COME FIRST so WE have to wait 2 extra weeks
@@MikoYotsuya292L
Amd : ow intel is in trouble...time to push msrp higher
I am quite pleased that I just went with an R7-5800X3D because I get to skip all of this drama. Instead of buying new RAM and a new motherboard, I just bought 64GB of DDR4-3600.
Went with 7800X3D for my new gaming rig some months ago. One of the best decision I made in years.
Intel's statement is oxidised vias caused increased voltage, and therefore crosstalk stability issues - not an over voltage issue causing permanent damage.
I seem to recall the 5800X3D beating the 7900X in gaming performance. That just shows that the extra cache, in applications that can use it (such as gaming), makes a big difference.
Blurring isn't fully destructive, to hide info you need to mask it out.
Information on Intel's instability problem. Let me preface this by stating I have a 13700k on a gigabyte aero z790 motherboard. I did some testing on my own by testing various bios revisions from gigabyte. I found that the recent bios updates, shoot my voltage up to 1.5v in some instances, causing my cores to thermal throttle at 100c. The lower bios revisions, (f9 and f10) for the z790 aero , do not exhibit this behavior. So I believe this is a multi-pronged issue. It's both Intel's microcode and the motherboard manufacturers bios. I simply reverted back to the most recent bios which doesn't exhibit this behavior and left the settings at stock. Now my 13700k peaks at 70C to 72C while under a gaming load. Test your bios and revert back until Intel releases new updates mid August.
Can’t wait to get my 7800x3d and 7900xt prebuilt
this bodes so well for the 9700x 3d + the improvements they have made to the 3d cache
Ugh, of course Nvidia would call it that, they're leading the AGI charge with Trillions to spare.
I'm happy with a 7950x3d and continue using it both for gaming and work. My next upgrade will be the last fastest AM5 CPU when it comes out in the coming years, then I will be good to go with that for another 4-5 years or so.
Big jump will be the 16-Core per CCD with massive cache which is still future music.
If you are gaming mostly, rather invest into a better GPU.
AMD CPUs are fine... Their move its to put prices lower or higher after intel micro update to check performance
this is a joke, they are comparing the chip with a dual 6 core ccd setup, the worst for gaming against an 8 core single ccd x3d chip.
That is actually true to be honest. I'll make that note.
@@GamerMeld It is suboptimal, but it barely made a difference last gen. The 7700x and 7900x performed essentially the same
@@benpedi6645 Let's not forget X3D sees large benefits in certain titles, but little to none in others - the results you have are going to clearly depend on which games you test. We shouldn't be surprised if generic Ryzen 9000 cleanly beats 7000X3D in esport titles, which are usually the most popular amongst the public - these aren't CPU intensive as a rule.
@@benpedi6645 you should keep in mind that this is just gaming benchmark. Benchmarking whether a cpu is better or not has nothing to do with fps.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 I think you have it reversed. Esports titles are almost always CPU bound. According to that Italian youtube the 7800x3d is ~10% faster in Fortnite and CS2. Compared to regular ryzen 7000x, last gen x3d chips were significantly faster in Dota, but even in League. And sure, esports are the most popular, but **MOST** people are not going to go out and buy bleeding edge hardware to play games that can run fine on ryzen 3000 and a 2060.
Any idea about the 9000 series price? Just ballpark guessing. I am so hyped about this new series, so trying to save some money for it. However, i have no clue about possible prices for 9000 series X3D CPUs. Same with the X870E motherboards. Wanna upgrade my AM4 system to AM5. Just very excited :D
So, feel free to guess :)
The 2023 date refers to the copyright date, not when it was manufactured.
I'm hoping you'll read my comment this time, being as it's the third time that I've posted it across different videos.
Kopite 7Kimi is pronounced KOP ITE, not KO PITE.
For your information, a kopite is a nickname for a Liverpool football club fan.
The home end of Anfield football ground (where Liverpool play their home games) is called the Kop, hence a kopite is a Liverpool supporter.
I know Americans sometimes have real trouble with pronunciation but I'm happy to help you out on this one....
Funny thing is when I first saw it I read it as Kop Ite too
AMD can take all the time they need, Intel has nothing to compare with it for the forseable future.
This is the exact anti-consumer practices Intel had when they dominated before Ryzen back to Core 2 Duo.
We can't allow AMD to do that without consequence. It just hurts the consumer.
@@VanillaWahlberg Agree, hopefully i'm wrong. It could be they just want 9700X to not get whooped by 7800X3D.
I could really use the 60+% performance uplift of the Titan card over the 4090. My card struggles running games on my simrig. But Im scared that the price will also increase by 60+%... It sure will!
price increase by 200%
Lol, as an Italian I spotted a familiar face there. Apparently Saddytech said it's proper easy to find too
Saddy sta diventando famoso, fa piacere!
@@MrForsesss I was proper surprised, ngl XD
I already knew the 9k series could have issues, similar to how the 7k series had issues before. I also knew no point in upgrading from 7k to 9k, cause gpu limited... at 4k 9k series cant do anything more then the 7k series can do.
Just in time for AMD to recall all their Ryzen 9000 CPUs that were already shipped, due to quality concerns. Launch delayed to August now.
That’s unfortunate. Atleast they aren’t waiting 1-2 years for people to realize their CPUs are degrading lol.
It's a 2 week delay.
@@WaspMedia3D only 9 days in the case of the r5 and r7
@@bal7ha2ar My guess is that there's nothing really wrong with the chips themselves ... AMD is probably buying time to tweak bios profiles for better performance (they can't recall the millions of chips and re-produce them in two weeks), waiting for Intel to release a performance crippling microcode update, so they can launch with even a greater performance gap between them and Intel.
More a marketing move than anything.
If you're going to release a desktop gpu with ai in the title, it better have atleast 48gb of vram
Exactly my though.
The A6000 is really tempting to me.
The VRAM is much more interesting
(Won't be, it would kill the a6000 too soon.
I expect a middle man here)
I'm waiting for the 6090 to come out before I give Nvidia any money. The way I see it, is that if this 5000 series release really does have those ranges of improvement, then waiting one more generation for the power cable fiasco to settle out and not be a problem anymore will probably be for the best in the long run. That 6000 series should still be a 10-20% improvement bare minimum between the 90 models for that new generation. Possibly more, but don't wanna say more since improvements are often incremental nowadays. But if the 5000 series is really bringing it in, then the 6000 series will be icing on the cake for those of us who have been using AMD for a while now; but kind of want to get a 'final GPU' so to speak. It probably won't truly be the last one, but will be used like it is for a long time. That kind of usage requires a monster of a card.
Titan Super Tie AI Especial
Called it. I’ve been telling people for months that it looked like a Titan was going to be made using mcm and the 5090 might also be mcm and a cut down version of that.
8:52 Intels RTX 5000 GPU huh?
that's funny lol
LOL, i just heard that part 😁
Oops! My mistake. I actually corrected it in the footage but then didn't edit that one out. UGH.
At this point you probably have dreams with the words intel nvidia amd etc etc@@GamerMeld
Hello gamerMELD! u waiting for the 9950xtx3dAI to lay down a stack?
i mean really are they really waiting for me to get angry first like is that how you run business
you eat out of someone else hardship you even create yourself
nvidia working on performance targets instead of power targets again
we need optimized cards within the 70W limit, these can really rip most of games to shreds easily anyway and the efficiency would be divine
Guess they had "oxidation issues" as well 😂
So that 9900x review is probably invalid now that AMD is pushing the launch date by 2 weeks. Maybe Day 1 BIOS update is needed as well.
AMD delaying the release by only about two weeks is really no big deal at all compared to shipping defective units. I'm looking forward to the 9000 series CPUs for my next PC build!
Replacing my 4090 with either 5090 or Titan if it comes. Huge upgrade if these numbers add up. And the more vram is always welcome when gaming in 4k with mulitple monitors ect
Will however likely wait for the 9950x3d since the regular 9950x will barely if any be an upgrade over my 7950x3d
With the GPU quality going down hill, I'll not upgrade my 4090 to 5090. The 12 pin connectors killed many GPUs and still waiting on it on mine. My 1080ti outlasted my 3090 under a year barely used. I won't spend more on a block that doesn't cover warranty. If anything it is better to go with AMD for gaming, Nvidia too expensive.
@@NovaaGrind Had 2 4090s now, none of them failed or is even close. My 3090 also had 0 issues when i sold it for my first 4090
@@arcaneftwtv you are lucky I guess, I really should RMA my 3090
Titan AI 15% more performance than the 5090 probably 75% price hike
Better to delay it a little than what intels doing. Releasing it anyway, and ignoring problems when they occur.
I'm worried they are heavily focusing on AI Power instead of raw hardware power, but this looks like a good point to upgrade from my 2070 finally
My dude, tons of people use RTX GPUs for training AI models. A Titan "AI" card isn't a marketing gimmick, it's targeting people that train AI models on their desktop. Anyone who buys a Titan card with 32 GB of vram to play video games is an incredible sucker.
Biw W for amd, I'm glad they're holding back because of quality. When I eventually upgrade to amd5 and zen5 I don't won't qualityissues and like most people we won't upgrade straight away because we don't want the first batches for these reasons exactly. Can't wait honestly it going to be 10 year upgrade, and we gamers haven't had that upgrade gap for a long long time
6:13 ...... DON'T forget, that *AMD is SAND-BAGGING a lot* atm !
iam really torn just ot buy a X870 for the usb4 and just the 7800X3d since the performance doesnt be that much...and i game on 4k...
I don't want to wait any longer, should I just say screw it and get a PC now? Or wait for the RTX 5000 series? I'm the only one who can answer that. So glad I haven't gotten one yet regardless though, as I know not to get Intel despite my familiarity with the platform.
In a similar situation here, sporting a rtx2060super and an i9 9900k but everything is "just around the corner" 😅
@@ashamahee Right?! I'm on an RTX 2080 and 9700k on a 4K display, so it's uh... getting rough
@@commandershepard9920 I can get by with 2k but man, seeing all the cpu scores and then knowing that I game stuff like X4 etc. XD I am so tempted to go out and just buy a cpu as some of those tests show around 2.5x performance.
@@ashamahee Sounds like you're doing it right, 4k is too expensive, its just my TV is an OLED and I love the colors on it so I try to make do. But as you can imagine, with 2xxx series cards, I'm capped at 60 fps at 4K anyway due to HDMI 2.0 💀. Sticking to last gen games I can usually hit close to it, but, argh.
I don't like how 4090 is so much faster than the 4080 and the gap between 90 and 80 class will be widening. I would like it to be like it moves the class down every generation (6080 = 5090) but the flagship is about 25% more powerful than the second best. But whatever
The performance difference is unimportant. Very few people upgrade their CPUs every year.
Probably clock speed issues: Remember the bad PR when AMD CPUs were 0.1 to 0.2 GHz less that advertised.
You can’t trust that review, especially considering AMD has officially delayed shipment and reviews for a reported bug they’re addressing. They’re also recalling those chips shipped and are replacing them with new certified chips.
GamerMeld, just to let you know, blacking out or blocking out names is preffered over blur, blurs can be reversed pretty easily now if someone really wanted to do some harm, just letting you know.
Have a feeling if Titan AI is 10% over 5090, the price difference wont be just 10% LOL... I'll probably go for 5090. Nice upgrade to my 3080 OC :)
Do the 12th gen cpus have this instability issue?
Not that I have experienced, I have an i7-12700kf and it’s running just fine.
@@zachgates19 thx brother 😀😀
What is going to be a perfect gpu to go with this new ryzen cpu cause I’m finally wanting to upgrade?
Wait unless you just get an awesome deal on a high end one lol.
Every company is coming out with new GPUs towards the end of the year. Intel, AMD, and Nvidia are all dropping cards. Battlemages, 8000s, and RTX 5000s are all coming out lol.
But I'm very partial towards 7900 GREs. Great cards for a little over 500 most of the time and can be overclocked up to almost a 7900 XT. Slaughters 1440p and has a breath of power in every other degree. They'll age a lot better than most of Nvidia's cheaper cards too. If you do go green though, 70 Ti Super at least.
@@cuteAvancer I have an ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080TI. Would my gpu still be good to keep using with the new cpu or is it not doing the new cpu’s justice and it’s worth upgrading gpu’s too?
@Rayeo01 It's usually infinitely better to be gpu bound than cpu bound in my opinion. If what you have is struggling; going to one of the newer Ryzens will be great and be able to handle if you ever get a new GPU in the future lol.
Having a struggling cpu and a overkill gpu just bottlenecks everything, ruins your frame timing, and makes your room very hot lol.
@@cuteAvancer Thanks for the help I appreciate it🫶🏼
Well, doesn't look that big of a jump in performance for the 50 series but as you say time will tell more :p
I have a 4090 strix and there's no point in something stronger right now. when a AAA game won't play @60 fps then maybe it'll be worth upgrading. but I don't see that happening for a while...
The 5060 is about to get a 7% performance uplift over the 4060 💀
Please, lower the music gain, is way over your voice gain!
Alright I'll keep that in mind.
I just want the 9800X3D as it will pair nicely with a 4090 and then a 5090.
Oxidation issue was in 2022 to 13th gen only and corrected in early 2023. ZEN 5 is a joke just stay with 7000 series.
I'm still going to wait for the x3d models
48% uplift for the 90 and only 29% for the 80? So both an even bigger gap, and the 5080 to be a step down from the 4090? And what does this mean for the low end of the stack this time? 5060 to pioneer being outright lower performance than the 4060?
x900 AMD CPUs will never be ideal for gaming as long as they have that issue with two 6 core CCDs.
It must be another generation of processing units coming out. I mean, a new wave of anti consumer things from terrible duopolies to gripe about.
So the 5090 will cost two grand and the new Titan probably at least $3500..... nah. I'd have been willing to go up to $2K for the top card, but any higher than that... forget it.
THe AMD Chip in question was made in 2024 between June 10, 2024 June 16, 2024
I don't buy it. These CPU in servers do not have excessive voltage and my own had a .6 undervolt. Still won't out.
9000 series about to be released are none X3D parts, so expect X3D parts to best 7000 series X3D models.
Amd taking a play out of nvidias book and I couldn’t be prouder
😅 When the particular game fully uses that cache, it will pull ahead and esspecially in the lows. In some games the zen5 will win. IPC vs Cache. I believe that the architecture of zen5 is cache starved in some games.. so it will have a massive uplift with the cache. Zen5 will get +20% where the 7800x3d got +15%.
If Nvidia increases prices, the whole next gen will be a big letdown. If my maths is correct, looking at the %increase in generation. The 5070 is slower than the 4080 and the 5080 is slower than the 4090. Also i bet the 5080 is not going to have 24gb of ram either. I would have really liked to see a full teir up in perf compared to last gen.
Why do they call it Titan and not just 5090ti? Even 5090ti super would be ok. Or is there some special reason to call it Titan?
Not sure how a 25-30% performance increase is impressive, the TDP ain't really cut down as well, in fact it was increased.
This generation is just another super version of the 4000 series super. The 5080 is just 29% faster than 4080 super, putting in the ballpark of 4090 performance. The 5070 Ti is probably just as fast as 5080 super and so on.
Well, here, lemme give you a history lesson. Intel screwed us for a decade with 5-10% increases. AMD came in with Ryzen and brought anywhere from 15 to 30% and more each gen.
@@tracesmith3572 that is in cpu space, if it happen in GPU i expect AMD to save the day with 3x more performance increase per gen just like in CPU space.
Unfortunately, new processors are being recalled due to problems.
Nvidia proceeds to buff up by 48% an already ridiculous 4090 and give a 26% and 29% increase in the other models. It's like mocking you on your face because it clearly can buff up the lesser cards way more but chooses not to because they like money and another 26% increase will come next year with the 6080 and 6070...Am I being unreasonable?
Its fully possible Nvidia has 128gbvram and stuff and simply keeps quiet
Doesn’t seem like that much of a difference between the 9900x and 7800x3d. I rather go with the 9900x to have an overall faster CPU.
You all are waiting for 9950X but I am waiting for 9950X3D.
The worst thing that has ever happened 😢
It would seem by the leaks the RTX 5070 will be +26% more performant than the RTX 4070 Super.
That could mean the RTX 4070 TI Super will match the RTX 5070?
Yeah but then the rtx 4070 ti super duper will be even better again!!
no lol, the 4070ti super is only about 10% faster than the 4070super, meaning that the 5070 is at least 15% faster if not more (if leaks are true)
That ryzen 9000 review can't be valid
Cuz ryzen 9000 got delayed
Yeah but gamer meld always make titles so that people click, he knew and we know that the benchmark is not valid as showed
@@lgoif1346 fucking clickbait titles man
@@lgoif1346 That doesn't make it invalid at all. For one, I'm literally the one who discussed that in the video, so it's not like I'm hiding it. But we have no clue what's wrong with them. It could be anything, and I highly doubt there's some big performance difference. They can't fix that in two weeks.
The testing process of AMD Ryzen 9000 CPU is flawed, so it must be recalled and retested before it can be released on the market
Nobody knows why AMD exactly took the first batch out, but there are always some "enligthened" YT commenters who know better. Or at least claim.
Intel fanboi much?
"we found the cause with the cpu stability, it is the operating voltage".... wrong, that's the symptom, not the cause... the cause is deeper within your mess of a processor, also the fab might be an accomplice to this issue.
They are not neck in neck, the 7800x3d it's faster. But it's fine, the 9800x3d it's gonna be another 15% increase over 7800x3d.
Ny guess is the ryzen 7800x3d is gonna be 4-6% faster on average compared to the 9000 series.
Intels next 5000 gpus lol. They havent released battlemage yet but now they are matching nvidias 5000 series lol
Idk but even before this ive never seen a reason to buy intel if youre mainly gaming
I just bought a 7800x3d for $280
Well Yes I do Use a lot of AI tools and a Monters Card with extra VRAM is most defenatly most definitely a tool I would like in my arsenal.
Especially if the price is around 2K.
If you are talking about the titan card I really doubt it will be around 2k considering the 4090 was anywhere between 1.2-2k.
From the start i didn’t like zen5 because amd always increase ipc and the clock speed but this time only ipc
A moment of silence for future incompetent second hand buyers who think Intel is the best and are buying 13th and 14th gen intel thinking it s a "good deal".
Why its always compared to X3D chips . Its only for gamers
give us a tldr. so the 9000 is not that much faster than 7000 in gaming? what a massive disappointment
My OCD and him Flapping
*I want to know what ram support there is for the 9000 series from AMD. I hope it is higher than 5,200 MHz. At LEAST 5,600MHz.*
*That way, we can use 6,800 MHz ram on AMD rigs.*
It's hilarious how you always react to "AI" mentions. Personally, the entire reason I follow this channel, and developments in "gaming" hardware is because I use it for AI. Some of us (hobbyists) can't afford the NVIDIA and AMD data-center class kit and have to use consumer/gaming gear for AI. 🙂
Dude no rig is getting 200 fps in 1440p on warhammer 3. Thosr numbers are incredibly sus
5080 - $1200. 5090 - $1800? Place your bets...
i think, there is coming a another update for the new ryzen chips and then looking at the scores is better. prolly they breaks the performance intentionlly.
not sure if real. At 5:55, his AMD CPU shot says "2023" at the bottom. Its weird.
@@Vialli100. Not sure, because AMD (and also every company) likes to stock up before releasing units, and AMD delayed Ryzen 9000 for quality problems.
@@justagamerhun2228 I don't think they would have 2023 date stamp on a 9000 chip though..
My 7700X that was sent to me says 2021, when it came out in September 2022. He also showed the box and everything.
@@Vialli100. My 7000 chips say 2021 on them. Just checked.
@@GamerMeld ohh thanks for the info. Did not know that.