Flamethrower: just last week a UK General was talking about battles in Mosul and Raqqa. His observation: bombs dropped by planes pancaked the upper floors of buildings. But many times the lower floors remained...basically...intact. He claimed they actually put a request in for flamethrowers but there were none in inventory. His argument was...considering future war could be concentrated in Mega-cities, the man-portable flamethrower should be revisited. Food for thought. I don’t have an opinion on the notion one way or the other. Marky
I would also watch on other platforms, but if channel in on youtube this is the easyest way for me to get it. And untill I can do it I won't move, sorry for that. I think that most of the viewers are like me.
I'm hoping PeerTube takes off someday with the general populace, as it seems to align with Karl's philosophy of keeping the web free (as in freedom). :)
On the topic if AR-10’s, at a trauma class I recently took we were located in a conference room with a ton of neat precision and hunting rifles on the walls. But one rifle stood out, it was an original AR-10, serial number 2. Not sure what it’s country of origin was but the shop manager was really proud of it
I have to add going deaf is not the worst damage caused by exposing your hearing to damaging noise, tinnitus is much much worse because you are left with a lifetime of never having a quiet moment and the torture of constant ringing. I would trade going completely deaf to get rid of the ringing given the choice but because of the way tinnitus works even if you had yourself surgically deafened the ringing would still be there. Wear your ear pro for anything that is loud enough to damage your hearing.
CCW1911 cheap disposable earplugs actually seem to make my tinitus worse. The biggest advantage of electronic ear pro is that you can hear enough of what's going on around you that the ringing is nowhere near as noticeable.
Not sure I understand your comment. If you have tinnitus anything blocking your hearing, even covering your ears with your hands for instance, will make the ringing more apparent but it won't make the medical condition of tinnitus worse. The ringing will seem louder because of the lack of back ground noise. Electronic hearing pro is good but it generally isn't as effective, so using plugs with electronic muffs is a good practice for really loud guns.
I have four 5.45 AK's and I love the platform but your observation of the poor consistency of the available ammo is spot on. My next firearm purchase will be a 5.56 AK, possibly a GAP556SB or Galil ACE rifle in 5.56.
The fact that Carl wants a Mataeba because of Ghost in the Shell is absolutely awesome. Favorite anime series ever, and I want a Mataeba for the exact same reason.
US Army basic training used to include a "battle march & shoot". It was a 1-mile run followed by a rifle range. Not all that fun, but a good challenge. One could arrange it to start and end with a shoot, or break it up into a few shoots over a one-mile course. For non-military shooting, there are all kinds of obstacles to that kind of stage: range space, other stages running concurrently, time constraints, safety, and more.
I think the other issue with lasers/plasma/rail guns is heat. Anything using that much power generates a ton of heat that has to be dumped somewhere. The Navy can mount lasers and such an their ships because they can just use the ocean as a heat sink, but an infantryman or even a tank cant dump heat as well in the air. Plus, on any IR viewing system, you're going be about as bright as the sun using a weapon like that. Plus, lithium ion (assuming thats what we'd use) batteries aren't exactly known for their stability when punctured or damage, so in a combat zone, a solider could face the very real possibility of their "ammo" catching fire or exploding. You can shoot a box of 5.56 and most likely it wont do anything, but shoot a lithium ion battery and you have a massive fire at best. Something with enough energy to power a lethal laser would be very dangerous if compromised, effectively becoming a large grenade if it were to explode. I could see tanks being armed with magnetically accelerated rounds become a thing relatively soon (within 20ish years), but a man portable system will take longer. And, railgun would have horrific recoil, or at least one powerful enough to damage anything much more durable than a person. If a railgun is as powerful (in terms of kinetic energy at least) as say a .50 or even a 20mm, its going to have equivalent recoil. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, the idea that railguns have no recoil is very much a myth (not saying that you believe that, just pointing out). So long comment made short, I think we could see the railgun become the new anti tank weapon, but it, and the laser are very impractical for infantry use until we have a major leap in power and cooling technology. Hope this wasn't too rambley/ranty
Idk about the heat issue (I mean, gunpowder already creates a fair bit of heat.. Is the heat of a railgun significantly more than the heat of an equivalently powerful 5.56?), but I tend to think that railguns would be a fairly serious contender for the "next" service rifle. The big issue of course is batteries and energy storage. What you say about "horrific recoil" is irrelevant IMO.. Like you said, a railgun with equivalent energy to a .50 would have equivalent recoil.. But what about this: A railgun with equivalent muzzle energy to a 5.56? Recoil would be equivalent to a 5.56, and therefore be completely manageable. I don't think a railgun would need to be super powerful. A "next generation" rifle would likely be something akin to a .20-.30 cal projectile, launched at somewhere between 2000-3500 FPS, with ~1500 ft-lbs of energy (too much power = too much recoil). With current tech, we're primarily looking at rimless brass cased stuff that doesn't offer significant enough advantages over 5.56 to be viable. (Thinking .300 BLK or 6.5 Grendel, etc. They may have advantages, but largely aren't so much better to really care much.) These other cartridges are perfectly fine (I have a .300BLK AR, it's fun), but they're not so significantly better than a standard 5.56 that it's worth the change. Other rifles (SCAR-L, ACR, "pmag-adapters", etc) might offer other 'advantages' over a standard AR, but again, not worth enough for the army to bother switching over and re-training everyone. The main thing I'm thinking about with railguns is magazine capacity. If you look at a current magazine, a huge portion of it is taken up by case and gunpowder. If you had a sci-fi style battery (thinking Tony Stark arc reactor, i.e. literal magic) for an electromagnetic launching system, you would need to make a magazine that holds only the bullets. How many 5.56 bullets (minus case/powder) could you fit in a standard AR mag? ~150, depending on how you stack them? I'll reiterate, the big question is when we get sci-fi style magically awesome batteries. It seems like it would be an interesting situation if an army started issuing 150-rd capacity assault rifles to everyone. I doubt that they'd run any hotter than a standard gunpowder AR, and you wouldn't have as much of the massive noise of muzzle blast. I'd think that would be a pretty compelling weapon.. Oh, and you can get rid of the ejection port (no case to eject), and thereby remove a huge dust-ingress point.
The heat comes from the power source. The amount of energy needed to use a laser/railgun would be huge, so the energy source (whatever that may be) would generate a ton of heat under continuous fire. Think of how much heat a laptop generates, and then scale that up to something that fires a projectile or laser. And maybe you get 150 rounds in a mag, but how much weight do you actually save with a railgun? The batteries or whatever would have to be light enough to justify switching, and that kind of tech is pretty far off. But for the sake of argument, lets say we have some arc reactor tech that generates basically infinite power and can magically cool itself, yeah its a no brainer, railguns rock. But until we have that, its going to be a huge question of pro verses con
RE: Fricken LAZER beams, directed energy, ect. The issue isn't batteries. Ian is correct that energy storage is the problem, but batteries (as we know them) will *_never_* be capable of supplying that demand. Mainly because batteries can not supply enough energy fast enough. But that's okay, because we're currently researching the application of "super" capacitors. Basically, things like graphene and carbon nanotubes are able to storage ridiculous amounts of energy far in excess of what we can do now and, better yet, *_they can discharge energy faster as well._* (By that same merit, they can charge faster. If your cellphone battery was a graphene battery that was the same size, it'd have multitudes more storage capacity and it'd charge within minutes.) That's what's needed for things like railguns/gauss guns/coil guns (which are essentially more capacitor banks than guns). Lasers also benefit from capacitors, but it's more long term use of power that is an issue there. And, yes, lasers do suffer from diffraction, especially in atmosphere. But the biggest problem with making lasers a viable weapon is heat. The waste heat of lasers is... extreme. Lasers are incredibly inefficient. A lot of that energy becomes waste heat and the more powerful the laser (which makes it more useful as a weapon) means even more heat you have to dissipate. Energy issues can be worked around if you're willing to have a static weapon and we can just keep adding more power and capacitor banks, but that also just ups the heat. Lasers, realistically, are a pretty crappy weapon in atmosphere. In space? Different answer altogether. There's also an issue with rail/guass/coil guns - usually whatever you could do with them would be just as effective or easier with chemical propulsion. During the 1980s with increasing Soviet armor threats, the U.S. Army/DoD started looking into ways to up tank cannon firepower even more. They started researching a concept called *_"Electrothermal-chemical technology."_* If you guys want a field day of reading and fantasizing about the implications of that technology, you definitely need to check that out. Basically, what happened was with just their prototype, the XM291, which was essentially a slightly modified (larger breech, mainly) M256 that could fit in an M1 Abrams turret that output velocities in excess of a 140mm cannon and energies to match a 140mm cannon in something the size of a regular 120mm. It was so successful and so adaptable and cheap it's a wonder why it never went on. The Cold War was winding down, but this is one of those technologies that makes me wonder if someone in the Pentagon canned it simply because they didn't want the Kremlin to also make their own versions or otherwise pay attention to the technology.
Honestly I believe electromechanical/spring powered bb gun type guns (imagine super souped up electric airsoft gun), are the actual future of anything close to an "energy"weapon. Spring powered projection velocities can far exceed those propelled by chemical reactions, and at a fraction of the energy cost when compared to lasers/electromagnetic systems. Ammo can literally be as simply as bbs of applicable size, or in the extreme: handfuls of rocks or gravel. I have yet to see a real mechanical attempt at such a thing, but with modern batteries/electric motors/gearing/springs it should be not difficult given some proper machining
I watch on UA-cam because it is the central hub for all of the content I entertain myself with. But if you guys put a place holder for a video on full-30, I’ll go watch it there.
Oh for sure, but I personally carry a CZ P07 (updated 75) and two spare magazines. I'm also a bit of a prepper, so I don't assume I only have one engagement to plan for, but I also have a friend get attacked by two guys with guns and he burned through the first mag so fast he was surprised when it went "click". He was a Detroit police officer (off duty) at the time. So I'm also of the opinion that you should carry as much as you are able.
Mr. Kasarda, Mr. McCullom, I'd like to touch on your last question. A while ago, I followed a UA-cam content creator ( Medical, not firearms ) to VidMe. Then VidMe went Tango Uniform. Rest assured, that if that awful day came and YT, lost their collective mind, and shut down InRange TV, or Forgotten Weapons. I would find your content on other platforms. I really like the fact that your content is mentally stimulating. Keep up the great work. I'm still catching up on your backlog of content. Which is a real treat. I will probably never attempt to compete in a 2 gun match since I doubt that my Guide Dog would appreciate the noise.
Stuff in regards to energy/magnetic weapons: Laser weapons are probably the more viable considering small arms. Focus and power issues aside, they (theoretically) bring greater range, accuracy, and power to the table. Additionally, considering the way that they 'dump' energy into a target and that current body armor is not specifically hardened against such an action, they do bring the potential to outdate all previous defenses in one move. Magnetic weapons are less likely to end up as small arms. Aside from the energy requirements, both rail and coil systems have some fundamental issues. Firstly, rails: all current rail systems involve a sabot and projectile, and the rails are quite prone to damage from firing. The maintenance, weight, and difficulty for rapid fire all work against their favor. Coils, on the other hand mostly have a weight issue, as copper (or similar) coils are quite heavy. Additionally, when considering acceleration of a projectile, they require that the projectile be moving in the first place in order to keep efficiency in a reasonable place; requiring some kind of secondary propellant to help it.
Ian how about this: Up a scramble net over a 25 ft barrier then into a shaker platform moving rapidly in 3 dimensions while being sprayed with a hose, then run 50 yards and up a 30 foot pile of dirt (or up and down the been and back). Your pistol is bolstered and rifle unloaded and slung. Now you engage the first stage .
in reference to a thing you discussed: I bought a 5.56 AK the DAY the Assault Weapons Ban was started. It was the last AK at my local gun shop. He didn't have time to run the price up because he was mobbed by guys buying. That Day he sold a dozen. (btw this was Ron Petersen's in Albuquerque, for reference). Anyway I put over 10k rounds through it (I reload A LOT! ) and ended up selling it for more then I paid for it. FINE weapon.
Had a German MP 38/40 det out of battery... still have the brass casing, round got lodged in the barrel, got a few cuts, couldn’t see for a few minutes... good times
Karl's groan when he remembered the rim on the .37 magnum is why I love this channel. I own a P90 (okay, okay -- PS90), and a .30 round in that would be... hmm... not be useful for the original purpose of the weapon (punching through 80s-era Soviet flak vests), but would be perfect for the kind of anti-insurgent, one-operator-versus-ten-unarmored-insurgents-with-mixed-small-arms scenarios that are currently salient. Imagine, say, a Scott Helvenston scenario -- convoy guard, in and out of vehicles, large crowds of hostiles that are unarmored... a P-90 in .30 would be a better choice than either the existing P-90 or an AR.
On the subject of hearing pro, my dad was a Marine M2 .50cal gunner in Vietnam and from boot camp to wounding never issued hearing pro. Then transferred to Army NG in Arty. Yes he is deaf as a post.
44:42 The short answer: It was a cartridge made for it's time. Longer answer: I have mentioned among friends and The Gun Collective that a P90 in 10mm would be amazing. Even if it was single stack, that is a lot of "BEGONE!" in a tight package. .30 Carbine...not so much, but I ADORE the .30 Carbine Thompson prototype.
I would have thought 7.62x25 (7.62mm Tokarev) would have been a better fit for the P90, as it is about 5mm shorter in overall length than 5.7x28mm and has pretty good penetration for a pistol round. At least there would be a chance of getting large quantities of ammo to feed it with, without spending vast amounts of money. I'm not so sure that .30 Carbine could be squeezed into a P90 design, as it's 1.5mm longer in overall length than 5.7x28mm and would require much more engineering work than a new magazine and barrel, that shorter rounds would need.
@Jacob Farley Heard of it, the M4 and Mk.18 have filled the niche that the MARS would have. @Landon Wiebe IV8888, for the most part, makes videos about guns to sell them. That's just the bottom line. They are in the business of selling firearms and accessories. But yes, I am familiar with the Vector in 10mm, that would be the highest competition for a P90 in 10mm to beat. @Why Jay You could look further back at the GUU-4/P of the USAF, it used a .221 Remington Fireball, which the 5.56x30mm was very similar to. The Bushmaster ARM pistol is based upon the GUU-4/P. As such, I will include the .221 Fireball in the comparison, because 5.56x30mm is a moonrock in terms of rarity today. .30 Carbine: Neck diameter 8.41 mm (0.331 in) Base diameter 8.99 mm (0.354 in) Rim diameter 9.14 mm (0.360 in) .221 Remington Fireball: Shoulder diameter .361 in (9.2 mm) Base diameter .376 in (9.6 mm) Rim diameter .378 in (9.6 mm) 10mm Auto: Neck diameter 10.74 mm (0.423 in) Base diameter 10.80 mm (0.425 in) Rim diameter 10.80 mm (0.425 in) My point in posting those is to illustrate the taper that the rounds have which will have a significant impact on the magazined functioning rightly. The 10mm shows only 0.002"difference between case neck to case base and rim diameter, which makes magazine pitches more appealing to a manufacturer because it's easier to design than having them figure out how the rounds must stack up and curve to make the magazine efficient.
Oh man a p90 in 10mm is an excellent idea. Just throwing it out there how about that new 7.5 round from that interesting newish Czech pistol. Run that past the gun collective and see what they think.
Gentlemen, regarding "specialized content for other than youtube." Please follow with Carl's idea of a place holder. I do most of my watching on youtube because it prompts me daily with new content. It's no problem at all to see the place holder and relay to somewhere else.
In precision rifle competition, the highest level competitors are using bolt guns, and are not moving to auto loaders. "Gas guns" are often (if not always) separated from bolt guns, into their own class, because they are not competitive with the bolt guns. While the raw precision of a gas gun 'may' be able to equal that of a bolt gun- it takes much more skill to shoot one well. While autoloaders may be taking over the high power circuit (and I do not know this is the case) practical tactical matches (Precision Rifle Series, etc) are dominated (and will continue to be dominated) by bolt action precision rifles.
I would disagree about bolt actions being obsolete and the clip fed rifles being obsolescent. I'd say that the M1 *is* obsolete because the advantages of the newer weapons outweighs the disadvantages and other weapons are always preferred on the modern battlefield. The 7.62x39 is obsolescent because the advantages of SCHV rounds are recognized, but the older intermediate round hasn't become a large enough disadvantage under 300 to be completely abandoned. The full power, select fire battle rifle is also obscolescent because purpose built, accurized rifles are preferred to extend fireteams' effective range over the select fire 7.62 NATO rifles but are being pressed into the role without a major disadvantage. And, bear with me... full power bolt action service rifles are also obsolescent instead of obsolete. The bolt action rifles are still issued to some irregular troops in modern militaries. The Sirius Sled Patrol of the Kingdom of Denmark issues M1903 rifles and the Canadian Rangers recently commissioned Tikka rifles because semi-auto and full auto rifles aren't capable of functioning reliably in the Arctic climate and intermediate calibers aren't as capable of defense against bears as needed. Round nose ammo *is* obsolete for military service, but that's reaching *very* far back. (Just my two cents, I'd love to hear opposing points.)
Karl, ive seen Session 9 and i too liked it a lot. Ian, have you read the book Gone to Texas that The Outlaw Josey Wales is based on? I have and its great along with the sequel.
I'm on your side with the .30 Carbine round being used, Ian. It's a cartridge that needs more attention. I don't get why Ruger doesn't load it in their PC Carbine or Mini's. It deserves a shot at having an AR lower made for it.
Would an SKS be not obsolescent if you had a lot of the duckbill detachable mags? Or does it have other shortcomings? Or do those mags suck so bad as to be a detriment and not an improvement?
A mountain hike 2g match sounds interesting for a shooting match. Finding the location likely wouldn't be simple. Or maybe a match at ~7000ft elevation. High altitude would definitely make any strenuous activity intense.
When it comes to youtube vs. other platforms, for me (others have mentioned it as well) it is mostly convenience. If I'm on youtube anyways for other stuff that is not available elsewhere, why go to e.g. full30 to watch your videos? I did that for a while out of principle, then stopped due to laziness and youtube being a bit more user friendly. Occasionally, I also had the impression that some videos where missing on full30. Just now I couldn't find the Finnish Armor video on full30, for example . . . Please keep doing what you're doing, I'll watch it wherever it'll be available.
I do think electric arm (most likely projectile based) will eventually happen, but they are a great ways off. There are a lot of people working toward much higher energy density batteries for all sorts of applications, but as you pointed out, they have a very long way to go.
For the garand obselecence piece could we see some form of timed comparison between the M14 (M1a) and an M1. It would appear that the advantage of loading from a box magazine is useful for fire and manoeuvre but in simple rate of fire terms (especially is magazine retention is a concern) then the M1 may well have an advantage.
and yeah WW1 you went deaf. My dad said he went squirrel hunting with his great uncle who was in WW1 artillery and he was stone deaf. My dad was like 8( he was born in 1949) and he said he'd listen for the squirrels and then point into the general direction he heard and his great uncle- who still had damn good eyes, would look to where dad pointed and bullseye the squirrels and let my dad have all the squirrels
You mean the UN that was co-founded by the US, established in the US and is currently housed in the US, with the US being a large contributor not just in the security council but also in other fields such as UNESCO?
Oh hey my question (m1/sks) got answered! One of the reasons I asked was because I remembered y’all saying that if you gave a Marine squad M1’s they would still do ok. Was it y’all who said that or am I remembering wrong?
mavmanish I wonder what their thoughts would be of a M1 with modern optics as a DMR. Not as versatile as a M14 or SR25 but for the initial 8 rounds every bit as effective IMO.
I think them bringing up Vietnam is good, although they said AK was predominant, that's not actually true. The SKS was in viet cong hands 10:1. How much difference did that make in hit and run tactics the Viets used? Who knows, but yugos loved their SKS over the AK, and they used hit and run tactics. The vietcong with a Russian AK is a Hollywood thing. The average Viet had a Russian SKS and the AKs where generally Chinese.
44:49 the role for the .30 carbine can be for countries that don't allow the possession of "military" rifles. One example, here in Brazil, was the (crappy) FAMAE/Taurus CT-30, sold to some Brazilian LE agencies to fit its requirements
On the issue of the SKS in a modern setting. Do you think with some of the modifications on the market to day, detachable mags, polymer stocks, optics mounts etc., it could compete with modern arms?
There's other guns/equipment that has myths attributed to it either horrible or incredible that don't deserve it. Ian and Othais/C&Rsenal has a good number of guns to show what they really are and what they're made for what scenario.
I use the subscriber tab on UA-cam to keep up, but if you included a little “we recorded some non UA-cam content” at the end of a video, I would certainly go keep up with it from full30 or Patreon or wherever I have to go
I'm surprised Ian doesn't like the 5.7, considering he more or less said 5.56 was too powerful in the series on the L85. Personally, having seen some ballistics gel testing of 5.7 has changed my tune somewhat. It probably won't do well through barriers compared to heavier calibers, but for a direct shot or armored target it does well. It's also lighter, softer recoiling, and has reasonably sized 30 round magazines. Not saying it's the ultimate carry weapon, but if you care about weight and repeat shots more than barrier penetration, and want to carry a full size pistol, you could probably do much worse.
I agree that the odds of needing a backup and one or two spare mags are astronomical but it's not that much more effort to throw a mag pouch on your belt if you're already carrying a G19 or something and a small revolver or mouse pistol in your pocket. But a FAK is far more likely to be needed.
Several comments: Those who train younger people on shooting are now correctly mandating ear protection. As far as 5.56mm AKs, there were some Chinese variations imported in US prior to '89 ban The SKS is still a viable platform, when other factors considered such as governments not wanting to arm their police, reserves, militias, or even designated civilians with full auto, 30 shot AKs. Having a fixed mag, 10shot, semi-auto SKSs in these settings a preferable option with their mindset, hence offers a non obvious advantage.
One carry gun and 1 spare mag seems like a good balance. One extra mag is not much extra to carry, more so if it's a smaller single stack or hellcat/365 mag. And more so for fixing malfunctions due to mag issues (for some reason this usually reliable mag is being picky so just try a fresh one ) Anything more than a carry gun and one spare mag is kinda extra in my opinion.
Goddamnit why did you have to talk about a p90 in 30 carbine, now that's all I can think about... It doesn't matter how many guns I shoot - m1 carbine will always be my favorite to go out and pop steel with. A beauty and a joy to shoot forever.
Love your guys content. Regarding Karl lamenting the limitations of 5.45 ammo, I say stop buying Tula. Tula sucks and consistently groups the worst out of all my rifles. Spend a few more bucks and get some Golden Tiger or Wolf Mil Spec from SGammo.
The brazilian police uses a .30 carbine...carbine called the taurus CT30. I believe it's a licensed produced version of the chilean FAMAE carbines but I'm not sure, you guys should look it up.
A p90 in 30cal carbine would be neat. I’d even take an AR in 30...... the mag would be short and light... but I think if keltec made a carbine in 30 kinda like the pm30 thing but not 22mag. They’re crazy enough to do it I think
Harking back to your "Dangerous things are dangerous" video, wouldn't a backup medkit be preferable to a backup gun? And will you do more follow-up to that video?
Exactly. Your main weapon should be good enough to do the job by itself. If you or someone else is hit, you may be able to actually save lives when the shooting stops:)
Pump storage water tank for solar, convert solar into potential energy and drain through a turbine at night...... You obviously need a decent elevation differential. No batteries needed.
Mechanical reliability of turbine generators is mediocre. All of my neighbors who put up wind turbines have abandoned them for that reason. Plus the multiple losses in a multi-part system like that are killer. Sounds interesting on paper; impractical in reality.
Forgotten Weapons - it’s how the UK deals with instant demand when everyone puts the kettle on after Eastenders. Lol. Wind turbine is rubbish agreed, however, the water pumped potential energy storage is known and viable tech.
Don't be too discouraged, guys about losing viewers if UA-cam goes Orwellien on you. Most watch on YT simply because it's convenient, we'll follow to any platform we have to. I'm sure even many of the non-patreon folks would, nevertheless we who are.
Makes me sad that you think people wouldn’t follow you guys if UA-cam kicked you off or something. I would just watch all your content on full30 instead. Inrange and Forgotten Weapons are easily my two favorite channels, I think your viewer loyalty may surprise you if UA-cam ever pulls any shenanigans.
Rock climbers have similar problems with access to public areas. I used to attend a climbing competition in which the entrance fee was a garbage sack full of trash picked up in the climbing area before the competition. I think that would be a good model for shooters. Very publicly clean up public shooting areas both as good stewardship and good public relations.
.30 carbine in a P90 is an interesting idea it takes up almost exactly as much magazine space as a 5.7mm but has a lot more energy. You would probably need to slow the P90 down some so it might defeat the purpose.
You should look up Explosively Pumped Flux Compression Generators, they can generate TerraWatts of energy in a very short time, these could potentially be used for EMP weapons or powering electricly powered weaponry. Ofcourse, it's more likely we'll see a combo of conventional weaponry and some of this cool stuff first. Probably for space stuff or other special purposes.
I'm surprised y'all called out the M95 Carbines; I get the small factor compared to a full size cartridge, but I really enjoy shooting mine, and feel that something like the G3 is much more punishing to shoot. Perhaps it's just a matter of ammo availability, in that I can only afford to put 10 or 20 rounds through my M95 whereas I'll shoot an entire match with the 308
Flamethrower: just last week a UK General was talking about battles in Mosul and Raqqa.
His observation: bombs dropped by planes pancaked the upper floors of buildings. But many times the lower floors remained...basically...intact.
He claimed they actually put a request in for flamethrowers but there were none in inventory.
His argument was...considering future war could be concentrated in Mega-cities, the man-portable flamethrower should be revisited.
Food for thought. I don’t have an opinion on the notion one way or the other.
Marky
Not a bad idea. It’s actually suffocation that kills them rather than the actual flames contrary to popular belief
I will watch wherever u guys go... that’s why I’m a patreon
I would also watch on other platforms, but if channel in on youtube this is the easyest way for me to get it. And untill I can do it I won't move, sorry for that. I think that most of the viewers are like me.
I'm hoping PeerTube takes off someday with the general populace, as it seems to align with Karl's philosophy of keeping the web free (as in freedom). :)
On the topic if AR-10’s, at a trauma class I recently took we were located in a conference room with a ton of neat precision and hunting rifles on the walls. But one rifle stood out, it was an original AR-10, serial number 2. Not sure what it’s country of origin was but the shop manager was really proud of it
Yeah well I have SN#1 (not really TT)
MrBman956 It was at McMillan / Surgeon so idk who the individual owner was
I have to add going deaf is not the worst damage caused by exposing your hearing to damaging noise, tinnitus is much much worse because you are left with a lifetime of never having a quiet moment and the torture of constant ringing. I would trade going completely deaf to get rid of the ringing given the choice but because of the way tinnitus works even if you had yourself surgically deafened the ringing would still be there. Wear your ear pro for anything that is loud enough to damage your hearing.
CCW1911 cheap disposable earplugs actually seem to make my tinitus worse. The biggest advantage of electronic ear pro is that you can hear enough of what's going on around you that the ringing is nowhere near as noticeable.
Not sure I understand your comment. If you have tinnitus anything blocking your hearing, even covering your ears with your hands for instance, will make the ringing more apparent but it won't make the medical condition of tinnitus worse. The ringing will seem louder because of the lack of back ground noise. Electronic hearing pro is good but it generally isn't as effective, so using plugs with electronic muffs is a good practice for really loud guns.
CCW1911 Totally agree, tinnitus is fucking awful.
dbmail545 Exactly, electronic ear pro makes tinnitus so much less miserable when shooting
As someone with tinitus, I'll take it over being deaf...
Had itfor as long as I can remember. Pisses me off, I sleep with a fan to block it out.
John Moses Browning is the answer to "Who would you invite".
James Paris Lee. ABSOLUTE MADLAD
Chuck Gibson Only if you think drinking coffee with a Mormon is a hoot!
Baker Tankersley One of the greatest unremembered gun designers. I wonder what he and John M. thought of each other?
Can we make the dog the official third member of Inrange?
The second video with Ian today with dogs. Best - day - ever!
I have four 5.45 AK's and I love the platform but your observation of the poor consistency of the available ammo is spot on. My next firearm purchase will be a 5.56 AK, possibly a GAP556SB or Galil ACE rifle in 5.56.
dbmail545 I hear Palmetto State Armory is realizing a 556 AK that takes M4's mags
Illya Lypyak I would love to see it but I have to admit that I would like to see one from a manufacturer with a better reputation.
Can we please see more of the vz58 please. The new vz958 is sweet
The fact that Carl wants a Mataeba because of Ghost in the Shell is absolutely awesome. Favorite anime series ever, and I want a Mataeba for the exact same reason.
Ghost in the shell is so awesome......I think you should buy a Jericho 941r too, for space cowboying
Your Q&As (and InRange and FW videos in general) are the highest quality content a gun person can find on UA-cam, keep up the great work guys!
There is a reason why the russians replaced flamethrowers with thermobaric rockets.. (Which they still call flamethrowers)
Yup, alot more effective and you don't need a man on the ground.
US Army basic training used to include a "battle march & shoot". It was a 1-mile run followed by a rifle range. Not all that fun, but a good challenge. One could arrange it to start and end with a shoot, or break it up into a few shoots over a one-mile course.
For non-military shooting, there are all kinds of obstacles to that kind of stage: range space, other stages running concurrently, time constraints, safety, and more.
I think the other issue with lasers/plasma/rail guns is heat. Anything using that much power generates a ton of heat that has to be dumped somewhere. The Navy can mount lasers and such an their ships because they can just use the ocean as a heat sink, but an infantryman or even a tank cant dump heat as well in the air. Plus, on any IR viewing system, you're going be about as bright as the sun using a weapon like that.
Plus, lithium ion (assuming thats what we'd use) batteries aren't exactly known for their stability when punctured or damage, so in a combat zone, a solider could face the very real possibility of their "ammo" catching fire or exploding. You can shoot a box of 5.56 and most likely it wont do anything, but shoot a lithium ion battery and you have a massive fire at best. Something with enough energy to power a lethal laser would be very dangerous if compromised, effectively becoming a large grenade if it were to explode.
I could see tanks being armed with magnetically accelerated rounds become a thing relatively soon (within 20ish years), but a man portable system will take longer. And, railgun would have horrific recoil, or at least one powerful enough to damage anything much more durable than a person. If a railgun is as powerful (in terms of kinetic energy at least) as say a .50 or even a 20mm, its going to have equivalent recoil. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, the idea that railguns have no recoil is very much a myth (not saying that you believe that, just pointing out).
So long comment made short, I think we could see the railgun become the new anti tank weapon, but it, and the laser are very impractical for infantry use until we have a major leap in power and cooling technology.
Hope this wasn't too rambley/ranty
Lasers are dangerous because they cause a steam explosion out of your flesh, it's not pretty
Idk about the heat issue (I mean, gunpowder already creates a fair bit of heat.. Is the heat of a railgun significantly more than the heat of an equivalently powerful 5.56?), but I tend to think that railguns would be a fairly serious contender for the "next" service rifle.
The big issue of course is batteries and energy storage.
What you say about "horrific recoil" is irrelevant IMO.. Like you said, a railgun with equivalent energy to a .50 would have equivalent recoil.. But what about this: A railgun with equivalent muzzle energy to a 5.56? Recoil would be equivalent to a 5.56, and therefore be completely manageable.
I don't think a railgun would need to be super powerful. A "next generation" rifle would likely be something akin to a .20-.30 cal projectile, launched at somewhere between 2000-3500 FPS, with ~1500 ft-lbs of energy (too much power = too much recoil). With current tech, we're primarily looking at rimless brass cased stuff that doesn't offer significant enough advantages over 5.56 to be viable. (Thinking .300 BLK or 6.5 Grendel, etc. They may have advantages, but largely aren't so much better to really care much.) These other cartridges are perfectly fine (I have a .300BLK AR, it's fun), but they're not so significantly better than a standard 5.56 that it's worth the change. Other rifles (SCAR-L, ACR, "pmag-adapters", etc) might offer other 'advantages' over a standard AR, but again, not worth enough for the army to bother switching over and re-training everyone.
The main thing I'm thinking about with railguns is magazine capacity. If you look at a current magazine, a huge portion of it is taken up by case and gunpowder. If you had a sci-fi style battery (thinking Tony Stark arc reactor, i.e. literal magic) for an electromagnetic launching system, you would need to make a magazine that holds only the bullets.
How many 5.56 bullets (minus case/powder) could you fit in a standard AR mag?
~150, depending on how you stack them?
I'll reiterate, the big question is when we get sci-fi style magically awesome batteries.
It seems like it would be an interesting situation if an army started issuing 150-rd capacity assault rifles to everyone. I doubt that they'd run any hotter than a standard gunpowder AR, and you wouldn't have as much of the massive noise of muzzle blast. I'd think that would be a pretty compelling weapon..
Oh, and you can get rid of the ejection port (no case to eject), and thereby remove a huge dust-ingress point.
The heat comes from the power source. The amount of energy needed to use a laser/railgun would be huge, so the energy source (whatever that may be) would generate a ton of heat under continuous fire. Think of how much heat a laptop generates, and then scale that up to something that fires a projectile or laser.
And maybe you get 150 rounds in a mag, but how much weight do you actually save with a railgun? The batteries or whatever would have to be light enough to justify switching, and that kind of tech is pretty far off.
But for the sake of argument, lets say we have some arc reactor tech that generates basically infinite power and can magically cool itself, yeah its a no brainer, railguns rock. But until we have that, its going to be a huge question of pro verses con
RE: Fricken LAZER beams, directed energy, ect.
The issue isn't batteries. Ian is correct that energy storage is the problem, but batteries (as we know them) will *_never_* be capable of supplying that demand. Mainly because batteries can not supply enough energy fast enough. But that's okay, because we're currently researching the application of "super" capacitors. Basically, things like graphene and carbon nanotubes are able to storage ridiculous amounts of energy far in excess of what we can do now and, better yet, *_they can discharge energy faster as well._* (By that same merit, they can charge faster. If your cellphone battery was a graphene battery that was the same size, it'd have multitudes more storage capacity and it'd charge within minutes.) That's what's needed for things like railguns/gauss guns/coil guns (which are essentially more capacitor banks than guns). Lasers also benefit from capacitors, but it's more long term use of power that is an issue there.
And, yes, lasers do suffer from diffraction, especially in atmosphere. But the biggest problem with making lasers a viable weapon is heat. The waste heat of lasers is... extreme. Lasers are incredibly inefficient. A lot of that energy becomes waste heat and the more powerful the laser (which makes it more useful as a weapon) means even more heat you have to dissipate. Energy issues can be worked around if you're willing to have a static weapon and we can just keep adding more power and capacitor banks, but that also just ups the heat. Lasers, realistically, are a pretty crappy weapon in atmosphere. In space? Different answer altogether.
There's also an issue with rail/guass/coil guns - usually whatever you could do with them would be just as effective or easier with chemical propulsion. During the 1980s with increasing Soviet armor threats, the U.S. Army/DoD started looking into ways to up tank cannon firepower even more. They started researching a concept called *_"Electrothermal-chemical technology."_* If you guys want a field day of reading and fantasizing about the implications of that technology, you definitely need to check that out. Basically, what happened was with just their prototype, the XM291, which was essentially a slightly modified (larger breech, mainly) M256 that could fit in an M1 Abrams turret that output velocities in excess of a 140mm cannon and energies to match a 140mm cannon in something the size of a regular 120mm.
It was so successful and so adaptable and cheap it's a wonder why it never went on. The Cold War was winding down, but this is one of those technologies that makes me wonder if someone in the Pentagon canned it simply because they didn't want the Kremlin to also make their own versions or otherwise pay attention to the technology.
Honestly I believe electromechanical/spring powered bb gun type guns (imagine super souped up electric airsoft gun), are the actual future of anything close to an "energy"weapon.
Spring powered projection velocities can far exceed those propelled by chemical reactions, and at a fraction of the energy cost when compared to lasers/electromagnetic systems.
Ammo can literally be as simply as bbs of applicable size, or in the extreme: handfuls of rocks or gravel.
I have yet to see a real mechanical attempt at such a thing, but with modern batteries/electric motors/gearing/springs it should be not difficult given some proper machining
"The outlaw Josey Wales"..My classic too
I watch on UA-cam because it is the central hub for all of the content I entertain myself with. But if you guys put a place holder for a video on full-30, I’ll go watch it there.
Definitely going to start using "Maximum derp factor" more often, thanks Ian.
I would think carrying an extra mag is more applicable if you're carrying a small single stack with limited capacity vs a g19 or the like.
PleaseDontWatchThese I'm not saying you will, I'm just saying there's a difference in having 13 rounds total vs over 30.
With how small the mags are for most micro 380s why not just toss the spare in your pocket
Oh for sure, but I personally carry a CZ P07 (updated 75) and two spare magazines. I'm also a bit of a prepper, so I don't assume I only have one engagement to plan for, but I also have a friend get attacked by two guys with guns and he burned through the first mag so fast he was surprised when it went "click". He was a Detroit police officer (off duty) at the time. So I'm also of the opinion that you should carry as much as you are able.
Mr. Kasarda, Mr. McCullom,
I'd like to touch on your last question.
A while ago, I followed a UA-cam content creator ( Medical, not firearms ) to VidMe. Then VidMe went Tango Uniform.
Rest assured, that if that awful day came and YT, lost their collective mind, and shut down InRange TV, or Forgotten Weapons. I would find your content on other platforms.
I really like the fact that your content is mentally stimulating.
Keep up the great work.
I'm still catching up on your backlog of content. Which is a real treat.
I will probably never attempt to compete in a 2 gun match since I doubt that my Guide Dog would appreciate the noise.
Facebook-exclusive content would not be a bad thing for you guys. The community you have there is thriving.
Karl and Ian for an hour = best way to spend a Saturday.
I will say I watch on Full30 and often on YT - both. Mainly to show my viewer support. Keep it coming guys! Luv the content
Stuff in regards to energy/magnetic weapons:
Laser weapons are probably the more viable considering small arms. Focus and power issues aside, they (theoretically) bring greater range, accuracy, and power to the table. Additionally, considering the way that they 'dump' energy into a target and that current body armor is not specifically hardened against such an action, they do bring the potential to outdate all previous defenses in one move.
Magnetic weapons are less likely to end up as small arms. Aside from the energy requirements, both rail and coil systems have some fundamental issues. Firstly, rails: all current rail systems involve a sabot and projectile, and the rails are quite prone to damage from firing. The maintenance, weight, and difficulty for rapid fire all work against their favor. Coils, on the other hand mostly have a weight issue, as copper (or similar) coils are quite heavy. Additionally, when considering acceleration of a projectile, they require that the projectile be moving in the first place in order to keep efficiency in a reasonable place; requiring some kind of secondary propellant to help it.
Ian how about this: Up a scramble net over a 25 ft barrier then into a shaker platform moving rapidly in 3 dimensions while being sprayed with a hose, then run 50 yards and up a 30 foot pile of dirt (or up and down the been and back). Your pistol is bolstered and rifle unloaded and slung. Now you engage the first stage .
Yay 'Session 9' - I live in the weak and the wounded, Karl.
“ it is dogshit “ caught me off guard
in reference to a thing you discussed: I bought a 5.56 AK the DAY the Assault Weapons Ban was started. It was the last AK at my local gun shop. He didn't have time to run the price up because he was mobbed by guys buying. That Day he sold a dozen. (btw this was Ron Petersen's in Albuquerque, for reference). Anyway I put over 10k rounds through it (I reload A LOT! ) and ended up selling it for more then I paid for it. FINE weapon.
53:30 Excellent taste Karl with a Mateba and Ghost in the Shell.
I like the idea of exploring the .30 carbine round, the P90 sounds cool! Or maybe in .327 Fed Mag?
Had a German MP 38/40 det out of battery... still have the brass casing, round got lodged in the barrel, got a few cuts, couldn’t see for a few minutes... good times
That doggo stared so deeply into my soul that I am now a changed man
Karl's groan when he remembered the rim on the .37 magnum is why I love this channel. I own a P90 (okay, okay -- PS90), and a .30 round in that would be... hmm... not be useful for the original purpose of the weapon (punching through 80s-era Soviet flak vests), but would be perfect for the kind of anti-insurgent, one-operator-versus-ten-unarmored-insurgents-with-mixed-small-arms scenarios that are currently salient. Imagine, say, a Scott Helvenston scenario -- convoy guard, in and out of vehicles, large crowds of hostiles that are unarmored... a P-90 in .30 would be a better choice than either the existing P-90 or an AR.
On the subject of hearing pro, my dad was a Marine M2 .50cal gunner in Vietnam and from boot camp to wounding never issued hearing pro. Then transferred to Army NG in Arty. Yes he is deaf as a post.
44:42
The short answer: It was a cartridge made for it's time.
Longer answer: I have mentioned among friends and The Gun Collective that a P90 in 10mm would be amazing. Even if it was single stack, that is a lot of "BEGONE!" in a tight package. .30 Carbine...not so much, but I ADORE the .30 Carbine Thompson prototype.
Iraqveteran8888 did a range video on the new Kriss Vector prototype in 10mm.
What about something like the Colt MARS concept in .30 carbine?
I would have thought 7.62x25 (7.62mm Tokarev) would have been a better fit for the P90, as it is about 5mm shorter in overall length than 5.7x28mm and has pretty good penetration for a pistol round.
At least there would be a chance of getting large quantities of ammo to feed it with, without spending vast amounts of money.
I'm not so sure that .30 Carbine could be squeezed into a P90 design, as it's 1.5mm longer in overall length than 5.7x28mm and would require much more engineering work than a new magazine and barrel, that shorter rounds would need.
@Jacob Farley
Heard of it, the M4 and Mk.18 have filled the niche that the MARS would have.
@Landon Wiebe
IV8888, for the most part, makes videos about guns to sell them. That's just the bottom line. They are in the business of selling firearms and accessories. But yes, I am familiar with the Vector in 10mm, that would be the highest competition for a P90 in 10mm to beat.
@Why Jay
You could look further back at the GUU-4/P of the USAF, it used a .221 Remington Fireball, which the 5.56x30mm was very similar to. The Bushmaster ARM pistol is based upon the GUU-4/P. As such, I will include the .221 Fireball in the comparison, because 5.56x30mm is a moonrock in terms of rarity today.
.30 Carbine:
Neck diameter 8.41 mm (0.331 in)
Base diameter 8.99 mm (0.354 in)
Rim diameter 9.14 mm (0.360 in)
.221 Remington Fireball:
Shoulder diameter .361 in (9.2 mm)
Base diameter .376 in (9.6 mm)
Rim diameter .378 in (9.6 mm)
10mm Auto:
Neck diameter 10.74 mm (0.423 in)
Base diameter 10.80 mm (0.425 in)
Rim diameter 10.80 mm (0.425 in)
My point in posting those is to illustrate the taper that the rounds have which will have a significant impact on the magazined functioning rightly. The 10mm shows only 0.002"difference between case neck to case base and rim diameter, which makes magazine pitches more appealing to a manufacturer because it's easier to design than having them figure out how the rounds must stack up and curve to make the magazine efficient.
Oh man a p90 in 10mm is an excellent idea. Just throwing it out there how about that new 7.5 round from that interesting newish Czech pistol. Run that past the gun collective and see what they think.
Gentlemen, regarding "specialized content for other than youtube." Please follow with Carl's idea of a place holder. I do most of my watching on youtube because it prompts me daily with new content. It's no problem at all to see the place holder and relay to somewhere else.
Best gun channel ever. Keep it up.
In precision rifle competition, the highest level competitors are using bolt guns, and are not moving to auto loaders. "Gas guns" are often (if not always) separated from bolt guns, into their own class, because they are not competitive with the bolt guns. While the raw precision of a gas gun 'may' be able to equal that of a bolt gun- it takes much more skill to shoot one well. While autoloaders may be taking over the high power circuit (and I do not know this is the case) practical tactical matches (Precision Rifle Series, etc) are dominated (and will continue to be dominated) by bolt action precision rifles.
On the subject of lever action vs bolt action I'd say that my .223 Browning BLR modified to use Mini14 magazines is way better than a bolt action.
I would disagree about bolt actions being obsolete and the clip fed rifles being obsolescent. I'd say that the M1 *is* obsolete because the advantages of the newer weapons outweighs the disadvantages and other weapons are always preferred on the modern battlefield. The 7.62x39 is obsolescent because the advantages of SCHV rounds are recognized, but the older intermediate round hasn't become a large enough disadvantage under 300 to be completely abandoned. The full power, select fire battle rifle is also obscolescent because purpose built, accurized rifles are preferred to extend fireteams' effective range over the select fire 7.62 NATO rifles but are being pressed into the role without a major disadvantage. And, bear with me... full power bolt action service rifles are also obsolescent instead of obsolete. The bolt action rifles are still issued to some irregular troops in modern militaries. The Sirius Sled Patrol of the Kingdom of Denmark issues M1903 rifles and the Canadian Rangers recently commissioned Tikka rifles because semi-auto and full auto rifles aren't capable of functioning reliably in the Arctic climate and intermediate calibers aren't as capable of defense against bears as needed. Round nose ammo *is* obsolete for military service, but that's reaching *very* far back. (Just my two cents, I'd love to hear opposing points.)
I pictured ian and karls excellent adventure lol when you were talking about earp shooting 2 gun
braxton b I would pay to watch that movie
Karl, ive seen Session 9 and i too liked it a lot. Ian, have you read the book Gone to Texas that The Outlaw Josey Wales is based on? I have and its great along with the sequel.
I'm on your side with the .30 Carbine round being used, Ian. It's a cartridge that needs more attention. I don't get why Ruger doesn't load it in their PC Carbine or Mini's. It deserves a shot at having an AR lower made for it.
Would an SKS be not obsolescent if you had a lot of the duckbill detachable mags? Or does it have other shortcomings? Or do those mags suck so bad as to be a detriment and not an improvement?
A mountain hike 2g match sounds interesting for a shooting match. Finding the location likely wouldn't be simple. Or maybe a match at ~7000ft elevation. High altitude would definitely make any strenuous activity intense.
When it comes to youtube vs. other platforms, for me (others have mentioned it as well) it is mostly convenience. If I'm on youtube anyways for other stuff that is not available elsewhere, why go to e.g. full30 to watch your videos? I did that for a while out of principle, then stopped due to laziness and youtube being a bit more user friendly. Occasionally, I also had the impression that some videos where missing on full30. Just now I couldn't find the Finnish Armor video on full30, for example . . .
Please keep doing what you're doing, I'll watch it wherever it'll be available.
I do think electric arm (most likely projectile based) will eventually happen, but they are a great ways off. There are a lot of people working toward much higher energy density batteries for all sorts of applications, but as you pointed out, they have a very long way to go.
Session 9 was awesome! right there with you guys on Aliens and Outlaw Josey Whales too! Great Q and A!
For the garand obselecence piece could we see some form of timed comparison between the M14 (M1a) and an M1. It would appear that the advantage of loading from a box magazine is useful for fire and manoeuvre but in simple rate of fire terms (especially is magazine retention is a concern) then the M1 may well have an advantage.
and yeah WW1 you went deaf. My dad said he went squirrel hunting with his great uncle who was in WW1 artillery and he was stone deaf. My dad was like 8( he was born in 1949) and he said he'd listen for the squirrels and then point into the general direction he heard and his great uncle- who still had damn good eyes, would look to where dad pointed and bullseye the squirrels and let my dad have all the squirrels
35:27 Karls hand movements keep me watching :)
I've never wanted a P90, ever. But now I want one in .30 Carbine more than anything else.
First time I hear Session 9 referenced by anyone. Awesome movie
A digital bill of rights is a difficult thing because the internet is truely international.
Toastmaster1990 yeah, the UN bill of human rights covers it though
Toastmaster1990 i wouldnt say toothless, impotent but not toothless. It has its worth independent to the UN as a whole
Alistair Shaw the UN only exists to oppose America. We should kick it out.
Ralph Reagan thats bollocks and you know it.
You mean the UN that was co-founded by the US, established in the US and is currently housed in the US, with the US being a large contributor not just in the security council but also in other fields such as UNESCO?
Oh hey my question (m1/sks) got answered! One of the reasons I asked was because I remembered y’all saying that if you gave a Marine squad M1’s they would still do ok. Was it y’all who said that or am I remembering wrong?
mavmanish I wonder what their thoughts would be of a M1 with modern optics as a DMR.
Not as versatile as a M14 or SR25 but for the initial 8 rounds every bit as effective IMO.
Your question and the one on .30 carbine makes me wonder where the M1 Carbine falls on the M1 Rifle vs AR-15 vs Bolt Gun spectrum.
I think them bringing up Vietnam is good, although they said AK was predominant, that's not actually true. The SKS was in viet cong hands 10:1. How much difference did that make in hit and run tactics the Viets used? Who knows, but yugos loved their SKS over the AK, and they used hit and run tactics.
The vietcong with a Russian AK is a Hollywood thing. The average Viet had a Russian SKS and the AKs where generally Chinese.
44:49 the role for the .30 carbine can be for countries that don't allow the possession of "military" rifles. One example, here in Brazil, was the (crappy) FAMAE/Taurus CT-30, sold to some Brazilian LE agencies to fit its requirements
Very interesting favorite movies, Jose Wales, and The Great Santini
IT'S A PUPPY!
Sorry I lost my composure for a second there. carry on gentlemen.
Session 9 Karl! Hell yes. That movie was creepy especially the crematorium scene.
On the issue of the SKS in a modern setting. Do you think with some of the modifications on the market to day, detachable mags, polymer stocks, optics mounts etc., it could compete with modern arms?
Point towards lasers, if you shorten the pulse length you can make the target turn to plasma and explode
I had to watch this one on UA-cam, it wasn't posted to Full 30. There was another recent InRange video that didn't get put on Full 30 either.
„the days of push-button, thing-explodes-far-away“, damnit Karl I near damn spit my tea all over my screen :D
Mountain bike biathlon sounds awesome. More so than skiing.
Does anyone else fee that Ian has made the Chauchat cool AF
Ian dispelled all the myths around that gun for me, which is a good thing ,also all the nonsense surrounding Japanese firearms.
There's other guns/equipment that has myths attributed to it either horrible or incredible that don't deserve it. Ian and Othais/C&Rsenal has a good number of guns to show what they really are and what they're made for what scenario.
I use the subscriber tab on UA-cam to keep up, but if you included a little “we recorded some non UA-cam content” at the end of a video, I would certainly go keep up with it from full30 or Patreon or wherever I have to go
I think a 2gun match garand/1911 vs sks/tok(or mak) would be interesting.
I'm surprised Ian doesn't like the 5.7, considering he more or less said 5.56 was too powerful in the series on the L85. Personally, having seen some ballistics gel testing of 5.7 has changed my tune somewhat. It probably won't do well through barriers compared to heavier calibers, but for a direct shot or armored target it does well. It's also lighter, softer recoiling, and has reasonably sized 30 round magazines. Not saying it's the ultimate carry weapon, but if you care about weight and repeat shots more than barrier penetration, and want to carry a full size pistol, you could probably do much worse.
I agree that the odds of needing a backup and one or two spare mags are astronomical but it's not that much more effort to throw a mag pouch on your belt if you're already carrying a G19 or something and a small revolver or mouse pistol in your pocket. But a FAK is far more likely to be needed.
Several comments:
Those who train younger people on shooting are now correctly mandating ear protection.
As far as 5.56mm AKs, there were some Chinese variations imported in US prior to '89 ban
The SKS is still a viable platform, when other factors considered such as governments not wanting to arm their police, reserves, militias, or even designated civilians with full auto, 30 shot AKs. Having a fixed mag, 10shot, semi-auto SKSs in these settings a preferable option with their mindset, hence offers a non obvious advantage.
One carry gun and 1 spare mag seems like a good balance. One extra mag is not much extra to carry, more so if it's a smaller single stack or hellcat/365 mag. And more so for fixing malfunctions due to mag issues (for some reason this usually reliable mag is being picky so just try a fresh one )
Anything more than a carry gun and one spare mag is kinda extra in my opinion.
Woot woot for session 9! "What happened in Lowell?"
Lead acid batteries go back way further than 100 years. If you are really interested you can look up "Baghdad battery"
1 flamethrower per platoon was standard in the Royal Hungarian Army during WWII, so they wernt as rare as you suggest.
I would argue that power tools are more pushing the battery issue. Way more of a market there then cars, and use is very weight dependent.
As for the battery question, check out Iron Edison.
Goddamnit why did you have to talk about a p90 in 30 carbine, now that's all I can think about...
It doesn't matter how many guns I shoot - m1 carbine will always be my favorite to go out and pop steel with. A beauty and a joy to shoot forever.
Love your guys content. Regarding Karl lamenting the limitations of 5.45 ammo, I say stop buying Tula. Tula sucks and consistently groups the worst out of all my rifles. Spend a few more bucks and get some Golden Tiger or Wolf Mil Spec from SGammo.
The odds of ever needing your carry gun are slim to none. The odds of needing a backup are even less, to the point of not being the hassle
Session 9, excellent movie. David Caruso looked so young.
The brazilian police uses a .30 carbine...carbine called the taurus CT30. I believe it's a licensed produced version of the chilean FAMAE carbines but I'm not sure, you guys should look it up.
A p90 in 30cal carbine would be neat. I’d even take an AR in 30...... the mag would be short and light... but I think if keltec made a carbine in 30 kinda like the pm30 thing but not 22mag. They’re crazy enough to do it I think
I would totally want a .45 Luger Carbine! PCC’s are my favorite guns.
Harking back to your "Dangerous things are dangerous" video, wouldn't a backup medkit be preferable to a backup gun? And will you do more follow-up to that video?
Exactly. Your main weapon should be good enough to do the job by itself. If you or someone else is hit, you may be able to actually save lives when the shooting stops:)
Lars Petter Simonsen plus a medical kit could be useful in any number of non shooting situation.
Indeed.
I'm with not needing an extra mag if you live a non high risk job/place.
I think everyone should carry what they are comfortable with. I'm pretty safe, but I carry two spare mags because I can and want to.
Pump storage water tank for solar, convert solar into potential energy and drain through a turbine at night...... You obviously need a decent elevation differential. No batteries needed.
Mechanical reliability of turbine generators is mediocre. All of my neighbors who put up wind turbines have abandoned them for that reason. Plus the multiple losses in a multi-part system like that are killer. Sounds interesting on paper; impractical in reality.
Sounds good. Doesn't work.
Forgotten Weapons - it’s how the UK deals with instant demand when everyone puts the kettle on after Eastenders. Lol. Wind turbine is rubbish agreed, however, the water pumped potential energy storage is known and viable tech.
Don't be too discouraged, guys about losing viewers if UA-cam goes Orwellien on you. Most watch on YT simply because it's convenient, we'll follow to any platform we have to. I'm sure even many of the non-patreon folks would, nevertheless we who are.
Generally flame weapons kill by sucking O2 out of the target structure not by burning.
Hell yea solar power!!
Would love to see you guys do more american/"wild west" history.
Makes me sad that you think people wouldn’t follow you guys if UA-cam kicked you off or something. I would just watch all your content on full30 instead. Inrange and Forgotten Weapons are easily my two favorite channels, I think your viewer loyalty may surprise you if UA-cam ever pulls any shenanigans.
Unless you can use the detachable ATI mags for an SKS.
Hell ya outlaw Jose Wales is so badass
Tough Mudder combined with 2GACM, i wonder if that would work for Ian?
Rock climbers have similar problems with access to public areas. I used to attend a climbing competition in which the entrance fee was a garbage sack full of trash picked up in the climbing area before the competition. I think that would be a good model for shooters. Very publicly clean up public shooting areas both as good stewardship and good public relations.
.30 carbine in a P90 is an interesting idea it takes up almost exactly as much magazine space as a 5.7mm but has a lot more energy. You would probably need to slow the P90 down some so it might defeat the purpose.
You should look up Explosively Pumped Flux Compression Generators, they can generate TerraWatts of energy in a very short time, these could potentially be used for EMP weapons or powering electricly powered weaponry.
Ofcourse, it's more likely we'll see a combo of conventional weaponry and some of this cool stuff first.
Probably for space stuff or other special purposes.
Doggo looks perfectly fine soaking up the luvin
Those original AR10 are awesome.
Isn't the H&K MP7 basically a .30 carbine P90?
I'm surprised y'all called out the M95 Carbines; I get the small factor compared to a full size cartridge, but I really enjoy shooting mine, and feel that something like the G3 is much more punishing to shoot. Perhaps it's just a matter of ammo availability, in that I can only afford to put 10 or 20 rounds through my M95 whereas I'll shoot an entire match with the 308