Sam Altman CEO of OpenAI | Podcast | In Good Company | Norges Bank Investment Management
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- ChatGPT, Future of AI, AGI, and China.
How does Sam envision a world where humans and AI coexist?
How far into the future can he see, and when will AI completely change the way we live? Sam Altman, Founder and CEO of OpenAI, provides unique insights into how AI will impact the world going forward.
Sam’s book recommendation: The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch.
In this episode, Sam Altman, share his unique insights and experiences with Nicolai Tangen, CEO of Norges Bank Investment Management.
The podcast In Good Company is part of Norges Bank Investment Management , a podcast about our investments. We are transparent about how the fund is invested. In this podcast, you to get a deeper insight into the companies the fund is invested in.
Our CEO, Nicolai Tangen, has in-depth interviews with the leaders of some of the largest companies in the world. You will get insight into their leadership principles, the company’s strategy and how they are dealing with a large investor like us. You will also learn more about our role as an owner of the companies.
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This is probably the best interview with Sam I've ever seen. What a good host!
So humbled by that, thank you so much!
That's exactly what I thought 5 minutes in - wow, and I've seen a lot of podcasts :)
Yes, same thought. The interview with Dario was pretty good too.
A remarkably concise interview, delivered with a staccato precision that gets straight to the essential points.
Thank you so much for the kind words! 😃
Yeah, could not agree more
Very well done. Great questions and even after so many interviews done by Sam Altman there was some nice bits of information here .
More investment managers like you should do more podcasts and ask questions that matter
Fantastic to hear, so greatful for this feedback! Thank you!
You asked such great questions. This was an insightful interview. Sam's confidence on achieving AGI is astonishing. Also I never thought of how AGI should be actually distributed among countries. So thanks for bringing up that part up from Sam. Will think more about that.
Really appreciate this great feedback, thank you!
Norges probably own %1-3 of google. I think it is time for youtube to do a favour to major stakeholder and make this channel promoted way more free of charge just because Nicolai is doing real community work with his interviews.
Awesome as usual
These are really good questions. It's a breath of fresh air and wish other interviewers had a similar line of questioning.
Super excited to hear that, thanks a million!
Yes, I've watched pretty much EVERYTHING all the smart people have said about AI and this interview was almost completely new questions. Super interesting.
How cool of you to say that,@@sopwafel, thank you so much!
This is one of the best interviewers I've ever seen. Thanks for such straight and insightful questions.
Incredibly honoured to hear that, thank you so much for the kind words!
Great interview Nicolai. I really enjoyed the way you let your guest speak without interrupting him. I saw you in a podcast last week and I have been hooked ever since. Keep up the great work, and greetings from Kristiansand!
Host does an amazing job to draw out the truth from the interviewee. Really insightful and amazing to watch. I’ve watched 3 interviews of Sam and finally get a sense of who he is.
Several super useful insights. About research in Silicon Valley. About decision making. About Sam “super powers”. About what he reads. Loved his thoughts about fusion
I read the Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch while traveling around New Zealand and it inspired me to pursue a CS degree and become a software engineer. Great book!
How does this have so few views? At first I was checking to make sure it wasn't an AI-generated Sam.
Thanks for leaving a comment, it helps drive engagement and it might get more views in the future 👍
All the best,
Halvor
It was a fantastic interview, kudos to the interviewer and Sam both. Thanks for posting it.
Amazingly good interview. Love the probing follow up questions! Fearless interviewer!
Thank you very much! Nicolai not only hosts the podcast, he's the CEO of the fund too!
Great interview, inspirational.
David Deutsch - I started typing 'D" in search and the AI in my phone filled in his name. I was thinking that he is the author of 'The Beginning of Infinity". The AI in this phone is pretty smart. Just the letter 'D" provided the answer to the question I hadn't yet asked in response to dialogue in the video
Thanks so much for the feedback!
The book that Sam recommended is
"The Beginning of Infinity" by David Deutsch
Correct 👍
Best use of time: listen to this excellent conversation. To see someone so smart be so humble it's inspiring. Sam reminds me a lot of Bill Gates. AGI and Fusion -- > UBI? Only if we force governments to invest taxes instead of SPENDING them. Fusion will be invented long before that happens, I fear! 😅
Thanks for being an avid listener!
Very different and engaging style of interview. The interviewer gave Sam the time and space to think and respond. Loved it!
A nice and serius interview with the tematic and features onboard, where Sam Altman was thinking many times long to give a response!!😮
This interview is just amazing. Sam is an incredible human and you are a very good host. Amazing Job you did there.
Fantastic to hear, thank you so much for this! 😊
Love his interview but wish it was segmented by topic/question for better navigation (i did see someone posted their own version which I appreciate!)
Thanks a lot, and for the feedback. We’ll look into this 😊✅
The least deflection of any Altman interview I've seen - well done.
Thank you!
The interviewer was on point in mostly asking questions Altman could plausibly answer without deflecting, while staying away from questions he obviously can't. Some things like the cost of the models is a common question he can't answer in any more details and has to dodge, but it's a question everyone wants asked and know is "a lot". There was a lot of creative and on point questions in Altman's insights into how to do things or his key insights and views on company and career things that he could share a lot on without compromising company secrets.
it's a rare thing to see Sam smiling during the interview. Good job ^^ Many people see Sam as a very robotic person, similar to Marc Zuckerberg. I think that they don't really understand the amount of thinking that Sam does to answer a question.
Thanks for your kind comment 😊
- Halvor
Excellent interviewer, and Sam is always a good subject.
Thank you so, so much for the great feedback!
Great interview. Lots of substantive questions well framed, and a nice amount of more trivia and context sprinkled in. Compared to other podcasts and interviews of AI related thought leaders, this would rank very near or at the top for information and insight density, even though there was a lot of total thinking time without talking. Time well spent watching if you care about these things. Also, the style and conciseness of both people here made me reflect on how not concise most people are.
These questions were exceptional. More like this please.
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This would benefit from better marketing. Really great conversation
Thank you so much! Share and spread the word! We hope to see more of you on this and other podcasts as well - so like, comment and subscribe as they say 😊
Great interview, every question was in focus.
Happy to hear you liked it, thank you!
Solid interview. Great questions and let time to breathe, rather than interrupting. Cheers! 💯
Greatly appreciated feedback, thank you! 😊
I'm a fan of Sam's, but I'm glad you challenged him how you did. If only people were as straightforwardly questioning but fair with elected officials. 😅
This feedback means a lot, thank you! 👏
This conversation has a high value-per-word ratio
Thanks a lot for the kind feedback! :D
Very good interviewer. I like your direct questions.
A million thanks! 😊
Thank you for such an amazing interview! Brilliant
Thank you SO much! ☺
I am super duper excited to see what GPT-5 offers. 4 is already bringing in Dalle-3 for Pro users, and that just makes an already good deal much sweeter. There is no doubt 5 will be much 'smarter' than 4...but will they increase the token count? I think if these companies purposefully hold back content creation by forcing a token count much lower than possible, well that will be annoying to say the least. I know Anthropic is all about increasing token count. I'm just wondering if these companies are going to hold token count just out of reach on purpose.
Good use of pauses. Would be great to hear you talk to more leading AI labs - perhaps in particular with GPT 5 type models.
Fascinating to hear that ChatGPT usage still going up a lot. Makes sense given how useful it is.
Understandable for distinction of OpenAI AGI definition vs personal one, given AGI reportedly part of the definition in relation to Microsoft investment etc agreements.
Thank you for the feedback!
One of the most interesting interviews.
Wow, fantastic to hear! Thank you!
can you please ask the book question more often? thanks
what an amazing conversation thank you so much for posting this hope to see more of this type of content
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this was great...the best parts were from 38:28 to 44:44 when he had him on the ropes starting with the Elon Question, which had him on the ropes. perhaps the interviewer could start with more vulnerable questions like that in the beginning of interviews so we get better answers over the course of the interview. here are a few of sam's vulnerabilities
1. he is really quite insecure about his utility and unsure of the accuracy of his analysis- he especially hates not being able to explain "why"
2. he hits back at this when he is insecure by turning the question around at 41:36- its clear because of his later comments; because he answers his own question later on if it wasn't for his insecurity he would've hit with that first rather than lashing out.
overall great interview good job Nicolai
Why Nicolai keep looking bottom in this vid, he seems sick.
Thanks for paying so close attention to the podcast and being an avid listener!
Much appreciated!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:57 🌐 Sam Altman emphasizes the importance of empirical data over philosophizing when envisioning a world where humans and AI coexist.
02:37 🛠️ OpenAI's focus has shifted from technological breakthroughs to observing how people adapt and find utility in existing models, despite their limitations.
04:34 📈 ChatGPT is being used in diverse applications, from developers improving their workflow to small business owners like laundromat operators using it for various tasks.
07:12 🤝 Sam Altman is optimistic about solving the technical alignment problem but acknowledges the social challenges, such as deciding whose values to align with and how to distribute the benefits.
16:00 🌍 OpenAI aims for global democratization of its technology, despite geopolitical uncertainties and competition, including from China.
24:54 🏛️ Self-regulation in AI is a starting point, but government intervention is inevitable and necessary.
26:23 🤖 Disclosure requirements for AI usage, such as identifying bots, are considered reasonable regulations by Sam Altman.
27:34 🌍 Global regulation of AI is likely but will be focused on the most powerful systems capable of causing global harm.
28:23 📈 AI is expected to significantly boost productivity, but the exact metrics are still up for debate.
44:53 ⚛️ Fusion energy and AI are seen as the two key technologies for achieving global abundance.
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AI chapters 😍 thanks a lot 👏
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻, What an amazing interview! Sam Altman just has such an amazing mind...
We are really excited to get to do this podcast too 😊
sam knows something we dont know..i mean obviously but he looks so excited
He always looks worried-forcing-optimism. So weird.
Sam.... You inspire me.
Great interview..honest insights
Great interview. You gained a new subscriber!
How awesome, thanks a lot!😄
Great interviewer.
Really happy to hear that, thanks a million!
Wonderful interview
Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the kind feedback :)
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- Halvor
Great interview.
So cool to hear, thank you! 🙌
It'a great moment seeing them on the show
Nicolai Tangen, AI solutions are amazing at the same time as they are all kids, founders and technologies.
With his experience in business management, human relations, who was
1) John Sculley in San's life?
2) Could Sculley be right this time?
3) A score of 1 to 3 for Sculley 2023.
4) A rating from 1 to 3 for Sam.
5) A grade for you from 1 to 3 after NIMB lost US$174 billion with inflation, worsened after the crazy people blew up Nordstream
6) Sculley asked for his head on the NIMB board?
7) How did he survive?
8) Ai impact to valuation NIMB 2021, 2023, 2031?
Thanks
Solid interviewer, Sam.
Thanks a lot!
Absolutely. Tight machine-gunning, good chill humor, and more. No that being said Sam has got to be one of the best interviewees on the planet right now the guys got a killer personality and a story that makes you stop.
But yeah really nice job thank you so much for doing that. One of the best ones yet actually I’ve watched probably all of them. yours is like the insider version....
This podcast episode is about Sam Altman's thoughts on the future of AI, AGI, China, and the coexistence of humans and AI. He also recommends a book, The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch.
Here are some key points from the podcast:
* Sam Altman believes that AI will have a profound impact on the world in the coming decades. He sees the potential for AI to be used to solve some of the world's most pressing problems, such as climate change and poverty.
* Altman also believes that AI poses some risks, such as the risk of job displacement and the risk of AI being used for malicious purposes. He believes that it is important to develop AI responsibly and to ensure that it is used for good.
* Altman believes that China is a major player in the AI race. He believes that China is making significant investments in AI research and development, and that it is possible that China could become the world leader in AI.
* Altman believes that it is important for humans and AI to coexist peacefully. He believes that humans can learn to work with AI to create a better future for all.
* Altman is optimistic about the future of AI. He believes that AI has the potential to make the world a better place. He encourages people to be open-minded about AI and to embrace the opportunities that it offers.
I believe that Sam Altman is a wise and insightful thinker on the future of AI. I appreciate his optimism and his commitment to using AI for good. I also agree with his recommendation of The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch. This book is a classic of science writing, and it provides a deep and thought-provoking exploration of the nature of reality and the possibilities of the future.
I encourage everyone to listen to this podcast episode and to read The Beginning of Infinity. These are two important resources for understanding the future of AI.
Was this written with an LLM?
48:00 "It's the most inspiring... You can do anything, you can solve any problem, and it's important to go and do that." >
That's _exactly_ the point of Yudkowsky's HPMOR! So many people brush it off as "another Harry Potter fanfiction for girls", but honestly, I saw in it the Faustian Spirit of Yuri Gagarin. These people chosen as AI company CEOs seem like a cool bunch, even though ideologically we may be different. - Adûnâi
best one yet!!
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words! 😊
Fantastic questions and answers. So much value, thank you.
Super happy to hear, thanks so much! 🥰
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Sam Altman is a hero
This interviewer is incredible.
Would love to see him interview Elon Musk.
Thanks a million!
Stay subscribed, you never know
great interviewer
Thank you very much! 😊
The fund manager who rightly loves his job is interviewing the guy who's trying / going to make him redundant -
Not just fund managers, although they are in the front line for sure. All the high earning professionals are definitely going to experience a very humbling few years.
That's not their aim. It's just a by product of technology. Everyone is going to have access to these models. Tbh at that point jobs aren't really what you should be thinking about. Once we have models that can fully automate an expert the world would be vastly different
@@collins4359 it's a fascinating discussion, but I'm most concerned about how we're going to survive the great transition... In an ideal world, we wouldn't just cut off the income to all those BMW drivers with huge mortgages to pay... We would give them a nurses uniform or a shovel and have them continue working. J/K a little, we have interesting times ahead!
This fund manager already takes a loss by doing the job he does. He's probably fine with being made redundant :)
Я тебя не буду терять Сэмми ❤❤
As a student one big observation that I’ve made is that 2/3s of the students at my university stop reading for answers to questions and use AI
Good stuff!
Thanks a million!
He said bringing the cost of intelligence and energy down are the two most important things. I would like to add reversing biological aging to that list, because it is one of our biggest constraints and sources of suffering.
Productivity improvement typically has physical limitations. Most of this discussion is about things that don’t have those limitations.
For example having a baby in one month.
Annealing steel faster than physical and thermodynamics allows.
😂 love the ending when he talks about how online training and certain things are delayed. Not because i dont want to see him be successful and his team. 😂but more i think its funny because that wht ppl literally do not pay attention. I agree that having the tools is necessary to mmbe more successful. But you cant be bogged down by a cell phone or technology while trying to strive for improvement so good luck guyz!
Fusion - next big stuff
It's strange to hear Sam downplaying the nature of LLMs... They're not weak, they're extremely strong but poorly understood... just like a super tool we haven't learned how to use fully yet. I have buttons in my car I still don't know what they do because I know how to drive.
Well, they do touch upon GPT-4 in cars at around 17:00
I love working too I love business so much I have so much to give to the world but we have to all come together now we have no I wish there was a person I could share all my handwritten plans with that will help so many people I can't believe what they are doing to me there is only one thing that thing they can do
🔥
Я тебя ялюблю Сэмми❤❤
I like somene whos not afraid to answer honestly "i dont know".
9:00
Is it really him or is it an image created by ChatGPT?
Truly is him! 😊
Hope he is foreseing fusion around the corner in a lab nearby him and not expecting ITER to deliver...
At 44:53 we talk about fusion 👍
Gpt 10?
Сэмми ты оченькрасивый мужчина ты меня любишь ❤❤
R&D requires financial support without a product destination. That’s undoable now. For the reason there’s no trustable pensions due to the requirement for a stable, benevolent fiduciary.
What Silicon Valley company even has enough runway to do real R&D?
Добрый ден сэмии❤❤
There were plenty of times when he brought up the new things that they'll be releasing in the next 12 months or something like that. Wish he was asked when GPT5 or the next big release would happen. Great interview otherwise.
Greatly appreciate your feedback, thank you!
😂 thought police type answers. Gonna be a great time to live
One year there was overcrowding in schools and in the next year airside schools down what are all the churches were open the next year they're all closed down, gangs are all then they're all gone houses in mansions not available then they're all available all over what do you think happened in 2014
Altman is not transparent on the rate of progress
, я тебя жду я уже переболел ❤❤❤
did sam altman dye his hair or did he just age 10 years in the last 1 year
I can't help but feel like I'm being lied to... No "holy shit" moments recently? C'mon man, don't tell me you're not working on another model when everyone else is trying to race ahead of you. Sounds do disingenuous
I don't pick that up - I detect that he's had a lot of "holy shit" moments in the past and is bored with them. But I am not the greatest psychologist.
I want to pass out all my plans programs and events so we can all grow strong together they're all based on all the reports that I've already read we have to work together now absolutely nobody set has came out with plans since January 2nd 2022 when I quote unquote went on strike with the federal government I have all the downloaded information on my phone and paper files there's absolutely nobody in this country will be able to debate me on who can change everything for the better
A the ist?
Мне другой ненужен Сэмми ❤❤
Дорогой хватит там сидеть уже много времени прошло надо уже купить квартиру одну жить❤❤
Excellent interview but Sam always answers like he’s being interrogated. Anyone else find this suspicious?
he could be forced to answer like everything is ok while secretly working on our demise
@@elon-69-musk I suspect there’s tremendous capabilities or risks already in play but for legal reasons he has to tiptoe around answers
Thank you for calling it an excellent interview :) Much appreciated!
Sam had to, it's his investor interrogating him
it will help poor the most? yeah right XD
Didn't teach me anything I didn't already know. C'mon Sam.
Am I the only one annoyed at how elusive most of Sam's non-answers are?
The reason he can come up with half the answers is cuz he waits for me to come up with Sam and Elon are rich because of me I wish they would come in front of me and stop ignoring me except
?
He can keep his worldcoin. Nobody wants it
I don’t trust him
The real competition will now have better AI, more power and data. But the cage of AI will let you run on the hamster wheel of progress. OpenAI wants regulation because Microsoft pays the bill and wants locked contracts in the future protected by government issued purchasing rules. While Google is mad because they are rigging the AI on words like "neger" using ADL and SPLC. With AI I can code in 10 languages at the same time. But it effectively just teaches me about data corruption, technical baggage and buffering overhead. Which can become just a massive distraction. But I can basically write a product in two days. Europe is behind the US on startups because everything is about pretending that women pay their own bills. In reality two men pay for one woman, then she makes one child and illegal immigration is then used as a solution. Which is catastrophically bad financial management that also gives jobs to lots of useless women.
This is a weird video…..
Please, tell us what's on your mind - so we can look into possible adjustments for future episodes :)
Sam Say Gpt 10@@norgesbankinvestmentmanagement
host no 🧠
This dude doesn't give a shit about humans as a race. "I would love a device that can read my mind" he says... Then what? Upload it to a simulator? Record all thoughts in one's lifetime and then play them back and try different outcomes? What is the goal here?
You think he strongly believes his thoughts will not be read and abused by other people, when it happens?
It doesn't matter tbh. The idea that a human being can be boiled down to zeros and ones is a travesty. When asked about God Elon Musk said maybe we are in a simulation. Their understanding of the human existence can very well be just some file on a hard drive... And this is dangerous because it strips away everything that makes humans special. Forget nukes. It's bs like this that could seriously destroy mankind. @@MiyangChoi
Look up BCI, brain-controlled interfaces. If you're having trouble imagining it, besides being able to communicate with people in completely new ways, how about people with locked-in syndrome?
Technology can and will be used for good and bad. @@jeffreysoto4068
@@jeffreysoto4068 Brain signal can control other human's brain too? That sounds not impossible, true dystopia.
When will people come to realise just how dangerous this man is, when will they start to see just how little he thinks of people and humanity? He is like his company, closed and devious with one thing on his egotistical mind, to become a god.
bro what?