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Hey Chisgule, I've had a question that's been bugging me. Since a recent update surrounded marches show "All damage taken increased" debuff. I've been curious if the troops actually take more damage or if this is supposed to mean that they are taking damage from more than one source. Would be glad to see if you know the answer or if you are interested in testing it out.
This is how you save some Money in Open field use T4s If you put 900K troops into hospital divided equally between Inf, Cav and Archers: If they are T5 it would cost 192 Mil Food, 192 Mil Wood, 144 Mil Stone and 144 Mil Gold ($700 USD cost in resource reserve packs) If they are T4 it would cost 72 Mil Food, 72 Mil Wood, 54 Mil Stone and 7.2 Mil Gold ($35 USD cost in resource reserve packs) 300k of each think how much better trade you need too go even
Btw Alex's 4th skill also works like Charles' active skill in the sense that the defense buff will be up for 4 seconds, even if the shield isn't active anymore, at least that' what I've observed
Thanks for the vid. I actually like to stick to the very basic explanation of stats made by the game. „Attack: A units ability to cause damage. Increase attack to eliminate your enemy faster“ „Defense: A unit‘s ability to resist enemy attacks. Increase defense to stay in the fight longer“ „Health: A unit‘s ability to withstand damage. Increase health to survive battles more effectively“ Which basically means if you‘re all in for trades, focus on health. While attack and defense play a bigger role when it comes to rallying situations. I want my rally to have the most attack to deal a lot of damage so the enemy garrison will lose troops fast so the target will be occupied much sooner before they can send reinforcements. And as a garrison I want defense if I want to last a long time (possibly vs multiple rallies) and have enough time to get reinforcements into the garrison so the garrison won‘t lose the battle. And as for amount of severely wounded units it‘s [(enemy attack/own defense) / own health] as a ratio, making health the most important to get good trades. So I would make the argument if you want to be very successful (especially as a kingdom) and you come into a multi rally situation, that you just bring the guys with the highest attack rally options and just see the garrison melt (to the cost of better trades). This is particularly interesting because it means that as a garrison you would want to have 1) health 2) attack 3) defense in this order IF you are in a super active kingdom where the garrison never drops below 80% health. Also for counter rallies you will want to have full attack rallies to get the target down asap. For open field I would just say go take whatever health you can get but more stats = better overall. It‘s too commander specific to give a clear advice. A combination like Constantine Martel probably don‘t get a benefit over the shield and should rather take a Sakura Fubuki compared to Guan Yu & Alex who don‘t have a ton of health already.
I think the confusion with the silencing effect comes from the one turn difference seperating the activation of the skill and the effect of the skill taking place. When a commander reaches 1000 rage, his icon kind of inflates, showing that his skill will fire off, but you will notice that the skill only fires off on the next turn. In conclusion, the activation of the skill takes place one turn before its shown in the battle log, and silence can only be effective if its applied before the skill activates. Other conclusion, silence does indeed take effect on the turn right after the skill fires off. The difference between the skill activation and the skill firing off also explains why the first skill cycle is always at least one turn late compared to all subsequent ones (even when taking into consideration the Rejuvenate talent or when its not even present). People have been trying to explain this problem by saying that the skill in and of itself generates rage and that normal attacks generate 91 rage and not 100. If what I say is correct, then the answer is much simpler.
Great video. Really well broken down. Thank you. What I am seeing is that whilst health performs best overall, it assumes a fight to the death, whereas attack traditionally gets you more kills faster. So I wonder where the tipping points are. i.e. are you better with attack in the ruins and then recharge at 50% health? Complex stuff that makes the game great
I need to explain why 1 turn is right. In this game EVERYTHING starts 1 turn later. And I really mean that. Let's say you get 1000 rage turn 11. The turn is already over, you can't cast on it. You DECLARE your casting on turn 11. Turn 12 you CAST the skill and any effects of the skill are ACTIVE on the next turn. Turn 13 the effects trigger. Which means a Guan DOES indeed silence ONE turn after he casts, but TWO turns after he declares casting. EDIT: Silences work the same way, they prevent DECLARATION of skill, but not CASTING of skill
If you remember your marches "HP" is actually the number of uninjured troops. Add to that if both you and you opponent have a rage gen talent based on getting attacked: the loosing player is getting attacked by more individual troops and as such generates rage faster. Only a game mechanic theory but you can test this by fighting with 2 City Keepers. Give 1 lvl 2 Undying Fury and give the other lvl 3 Burning Blood. Both will generate plus 6 rage CK 1 by attacking CK 2 by getting attacked). After studying the battle reports see what happens when CK 1 starts the battle 5000 more troops. Next test what happens when CK 2 starts the battle with 5,000 more troops. Hopefully you can think of a more scientific way to augment this test but I think this will give you the game mechanic answer you are looking for.
ngl, this is still one of the most unique games out there. I just can't handle the pressure and the need to spend money on this. Lilith did a phenomenal job.
Great analysis as always Chis. This is the kind of content that sets you apart from the rest! Optimization is important and you do the testing and grunt work so we dont have to. I appreciate it. Although now I am second guessing my decision to craft the full legendary infantry set for my guan. I am 5/6 pieces done and only have the boots left. Unfortunately the set is VERY heavy on attack so may not have been my greatest decision ever haha. Keep up the great work man!
So from both OV king Sloudi John Wick testing (both of them had 2 formula on stats) as well as Chisgul, we had the following general fact: HP helps and improved the fighting the most. (not to consider aoe or extra factors)
I don't understand how it took until Guan Yu for player to realize that debuffs only begin its effects after the skill itself lands and not immediately after the skill was cast.. I was only using Cao when I found out about it.. which then makes it look like the debuff only applied 2 turns later when in reality it takes about 2 turns before a skill even lands because of the animations..
I figured this our when trying to test how Theodora can cleanse silence effect (not only Guan's) (as per her description). The result was (correct as ~ 3 months ago): 1. Guan activated his skill at 10th turn 2. If, and only if theodora activate her 1st skill at 11th turn, she can cleanse the silence effect. 3. If Theodora activate her 1st skill at 10th turn, the silence will be applied on 12th turn 4. If Theodora activate her 1st skill at 12th turn... there is no way ... as she will be silenced at that point. Just sharing my past experiments.
Thanks for the great video Chis. I'm looking forward to when I can use my Guan. But at the moment that's a long time from now. I'll reference this video in a few months.😉
I think if you wanted to test which stat is better for Guan Yu / Alex, you would want to reduce randomness in the march you are facing to get more consistent results and reduce outliers? Maybe just pit them up against Dragon Lancer or City Keeper? You would obviously win by a lot, but maybe it would change how much you win by, depending on which stats you are using on your Guan Yu / Alex?
funny enough I did Guan/Alex tests yesterday with the horn & feral nature to figure out if the horn helps cross paths with guan's expertise skill. The horn doesn't help in the beginning but guan's active skill fires off 4 turns after alex's. It did cross paths but it only got 1 turn of 15% increase.
You can flip the scenario though, if you have a march that buffs the 2nd skill such as Zenobia/YSG where you boost the YSG skill with Zenobia expertise... maybe this is partially why Guan is doing better against Zenobia that expected
You guys dont get the point that infantry equpment is mostly attack .. i mean we do have a weapon that gives 25% 20% 13% attack but no such weapon gives such amount of health or deffense ..so comparing 36.5 hp def n atk isn't rlly fair .u need to campare the maximum health , attack and defense equipment available which will help us know where to put our materilas in and thx for the great content anyways🙏
Feral nature stat a must have, because you are talking about one vs one situation. However guan alex are monsters in murder balls and massive fights, we need feral nature to proc their skills as much as possible. In one versus one maybe it’s different but one versus one never happens 😁
I looked it the battle log after battling a barb and the silence comes 1 turn after his active skill... Maybe this is just in the case of battling another Guan that it comes 2 turns after?
Artemisia - wonder if the self-silence with right commander can create a broken skill damage. Timing tricky. I also wonder if El Cid/Hermann popular rally swarmer in ark could actually make the rally perform better.
Hey chisgule, food for thought, say you have an Art Tomy vs Guan Alex... realising Guan's delayed silence.... would a Tomy Art be better pairing than Art Tomy to stack more poison as a counter....? Not sure how it all works but potentially worth a looking into? Thanks for another rocking video chis!
Hi! Please advice how is it even possible to reach 36% health bonus? There is only 2-3 infantry items with main health bonus, like Karuak legs and blue shield, so how did u do it for tests?
For me it would bring up a question. Did you test the atk stuff with the legend gear and the health with gear which gives you health? My guess here would be, that the high amount of materials you need for legend stuff are not worth it compared to the cheaper once... Would be nice to known or tested.
The only way I could see to test attack, defense, and health is to attack a different commander than guan (attila/takeda maybe?). And maybe do all the same equipment except change gatekeepers shield vs sakura kabuki to see what works better
It is not that silence takes 2 turns to have effect but the active skill actual activation is determined 1 turn before its effect is cast. The silence has to disturb that activation turn or else it won't stop active skill even if silence is present when active is cast next turn. The new battle logs have more details that you can refer to.
13:50 at Avg Units Remaining you have Atk -5,111, you said in the video that those results are calculated with 35% more stats than the person you are testing with... does this mean u are actually losing more troops if u have same def/hp but only a bonus of 35% extra attack. Sorry if i didn’t got it right and thank you for your time.
Hey Chisgule, i really need your help to explain something. How do i make the best use of Guan's expertised skill, if I don't have Leo? Does this pairing of Guan primary with Alex secondary actually give Guan the additional skill damage due to the shield? I remember you said in another video that it is not guaranteed Alex's shield would give Guan the bonus skill damage boost.
Chis this is really a GREAT video, thank you so much for this interesting info, you deserve a big fat thumb up!! .. Speaking of equipment, I wonder what would you pick between a karuak's humility and eternal night? Of course they are different tiers of equip, just would like to know if you think that 12% defense is better than 8% health.. Thank you!
Is there any correlation between the losing side generate more rage with AoO rules that losing side generate more skill bars? Do openfield battle (not in AoO map) have same phenomenon? Curious But nice video Chis and Cortex, really appreciate your hardworks
Great vid Welp, guess I’m gonna have to rework my gear again😂 We also need a bit more of a range for epic equipment for commanders (different stats like health and def) we have enough attack stat equipment
I am a very low spender you might as well say free to play player, as such I only really focus on one type of troop generals. I’ve almost maxed out Constantine , my next choice will be Guan yu or herald. Would love to know which commander you you think I should pick ?
It’s not that weird that when you’re losing a fight you generate more rage. Think about it as if you were on the battlefield personally soldiers form a brotherhood these soldiers that died are just as close to them as their own personal family . so when you see your brothers falling all around you , you’re naturally going to get in raged and more angry therefore generating more rage . So it makes sense to generate more rage as more of your brothers are being killed.
@@EfrenGarcia that is completely true but a lot of game designers tried to replicate a lot of what happens in life into their games it makes it more relatable for the game players. My cousin is a game designer and he wants explain this to me this is one of the reasons why Sims was such a huge game
What i Want to ask you if Health is the best statt for infantry why should someone make an effort and craft legnd set because there is Not a Single piece in it with Health and also the set Bonus there is on Health! Any thoughts?
I think the best for open field is just to power what your march have for example guan yu alex is very strong skill damage march so i would say to increase thier attack not just health why? Because in field you aren't making 1v1 you are attacking someone but he don't have to be attacking you back and attack will make you do a crazy amount of damage to him and melt him down but in other situation when someone attacking you like in 1v1 health and defence will help you more But a tanky march that doesn't do damage ofc just stack more health and defence cause it's job is just tanking but nuking marches is doing damage you drag and drop don't leave it get smashed .. hope you understand what I mean haha ty
Well usually guan+alex 1vs1 isn't happening much . But this is important information . Wuzetian if she silence the guan+alex combo in the right time might help him too ... I was confused with silence , now i am not confused with that , but still the game is complicated . Keep up finding things cause we might have garisson commanders with more silence effect and guan 3 sec is mind blowing effect . The only thing I don't get is the rage thing .... Very good video overall 😊 . Also i am thinking pairing guan+Julius for extra survivability
It would maybe be a good idea to SHOW the turns where you claim, that being the losing march gain more rage. If Feral Nature did not proc a single time it could be much smaller things deciding why it works like this. Might even have an idea why ;-)
Chisgule, does this test basically mean that if we want to prevent this from happening, and we want to go "hard" on rage generation, we should make sure we have enough rage to go 2 turns before their active skill, or else it's bad?
This definitely used to be the case in ark but I believe this got removed as Gekko was busy training loads of t1 troops to sacrifice and said he could now stop doing that.
Actually I don't think the dmg is much greater when Guan fires off during shield because he loses the 40 attack buff from Alex's skill for not being shielded. I've compared troops lost from the two scenarios in the past and it really isn't much. Unless it is strictly a severely wounded thing which you can't see in the log
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Hey Chisgule, I've had a question that's been bugging me. Since a recent update surrounded marches show "All damage taken increased" debuff. I've been curious if the troops actually take more damage or if this is supposed to mean that they are taking damage from more than one source. Would be glad to see if you know the answer or if you are interested in testing it out.
You need to do a test with a a mix of stats, as you will never have gear that’s all attack or def
Most people’s jobs take massive effort it’s called life
This is how you save some Money in Open field use T4s If you put 900K troops into hospital divided equally between Inf, Cav and Archers:
If they are T5 it would cost 192 Mil Food, 192 Mil Wood, 144 Mil Stone and 144 Mil Gold ($700 USD cost in resource reserve packs)
If they are T4 it would cost 72 Mil Food, 72 Mil Wood, 54 Mil Stone and 7.2 Mil Gold ($35 USD cost in resource reserve packs) 300k of each think how much better trade you need too go even
As guan alex is currently my literally best and most used march, this completely blows my mind! Thank you very much for pointing this out!!
Wish I had leonidas tho. But my Guan Alex is pretty sweet. 😎
Btw Alex's 4th skill also works like Charles' active skill in the sense that the defense buff will be up for 4 seconds, even if the shield isn't active anymore, at least that' what I've observed
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Thanks for the vid. I actually like to stick to the very basic explanation of stats made by the game.
„Attack: A units ability to cause damage. Increase attack to eliminate your enemy faster“
„Defense: A unit‘s ability to resist enemy attacks. Increase defense to stay in the fight longer“
„Health: A unit‘s ability to withstand damage. Increase health to survive battles more effectively“
Which basically means if you‘re all in for trades, focus on health. While attack and defense play a bigger role when it comes to rallying situations. I want my rally to have the most attack to deal a lot of damage so the enemy garrison will lose troops fast so the target will be occupied much sooner before they can send reinforcements. And as a garrison I want defense if I want to last a long time (possibly vs multiple rallies) and have enough time to get reinforcements into the garrison so the garrison won‘t lose the battle.
And as for amount of severely wounded units it‘s [(enemy attack/own defense) / own health] as a ratio, making health the most important to get good trades.
So I would make the argument if you want to be very successful (especially as a kingdom) and you come into a multi rally situation, that you just bring the guys with the highest attack rally options and just see the garrison melt (to the cost of better trades).
This is particularly interesting because it means that as a garrison you would want to have 1) health 2) attack 3) defense in this order IF you are in a super active kingdom where the garrison never drops below 80% health.
Also for counter rallies you will want to have full attack rallies to get the target down asap.
For open field I would just say go take whatever health you can get but more stats = better overall. It‘s too commander specific to give a clear advice. A combination like Constantine Martel probably don‘t get a benefit over the shield and should rather take a Sakura Fubuki compared to Guan Yu & Alex who don‘t have a ton of health already.
Thanks😊🙏
A wild legend rhony appears at 17:21
Good day to you sir. Your notification pulled me away from another vid. I’m ready for some knowledge to be dropped!
AFTER KNOWING THIS... I NEED TO MAX HIM NOW!
My mind is ready to be saturated
Nobody can Silence me - Only I can silence anyone and everyone even Guan.
This was an amazing level of detail. I look forward to using it when I finally get either commander.
I think the confusion with the silencing effect comes from the one turn difference seperating the activation of the skill and the effect of the skill taking place. When a commander reaches 1000 rage, his icon kind of inflates, showing that his skill will fire off, but you will notice that the skill only fires off on the next turn. In conclusion, the activation of the skill takes place one turn before its shown in the battle log, and silence can only be effective if its applied before the skill activates. Other conclusion, silence does indeed take effect on the turn right after the skill fires off.
The difference between the skill activation and the skill firing off also explains why the first skill cycle is always at least one turn late compared to all subsequent ones (even when taking into consideration the Rejuvenate talent or when its not even present). People have been trying to explain this problem by saying that the skill in and of itself generates rage and that normal attacks generate 91 rage and not 100. If what I say is correct, then the answer is much simpler.
Great video. Really well broken down. Thank you. What I am seeing is that whilst health performs best overall, it assumes a fight to the death, whereas attack traditionally gets you more kills faster. So I wonder where the tipping points are. i.e. are you better with attack in the ruins and then recharge at 50% health? Complex stuff that makes the game great
in group fight it hardly matters though. you'll never be able to time it right when another guan alex could be joining the fight at any turn.
I need to explain why 1 turn is right.
In this game EVERYTHING starts 1 turn later.
And I really mean that.
Let's say you get 1000 rage turn 11. The turn is already over, you can't cast on it. You DECLARE your casting on turn 11.
Turn 12 you CAST the skill and any effects of the skill are ACTIVE on the next turn.
Turn 13 the effects trigger.
Which means a Guan DOES indeed silence ONE turn after he casts, but TWO turns after he declares casting.
EDIT:
Silences work the same way, they prevent DECLARATION of skill, but not CASTING of skill
I think you took it too seriously
If you remember your marches "HP" is actually the number of uninjured troops. Add to that if both you and you opponent have a rage gen talent based on getting attacked: the loosing player is getting attacked by more individual troops and as such generates rage faster.
Only a game mechanic theory but you can test this by fighting with 2 City Keepers. Give 1 lvl 2 Undying Fury and give the other lvl 3 Burning Blood. Both will generate plus 6 rage CK 1 by attacking CK 2 by getting attacked).
After studying the battle reports see what happens when CK 1 starts the battle 5000 more troops. Next test what happens when CK 2 starts the battle with 5,000 more troops.
Hopefully you can think of a more scientific way to augment this test but I think this will give you the game mechanic answer you are looking for.
Hey Chisgule, can you compare Guan&Alex vs Guan&Leonidas?
ngl, this is still one of the most unique games out there. I just can't handle the pressure and the need to spend money on this.
Lilith did a phenomenal job.
Pair Guan with Leo and do testing against Guan/Alex
It will get burned lol.
This needs to happen
Already tested with maxed commanders. Guan/Leo defeats guan/Alex :)
@@marcho2697 Alex/William beats a non maxed guan and maxed Alex .
@@marcho2697 is it in every situation, items and builds?
Great analysis as always Chis. This is the kind of content that sets you apart from the rest! Optimization is important and you do the testing and grunt work so we dont have to. I appreciate it. Although now I am second guessing my decision to craft the full legendary infantry set for my guan. I am 5/6 pieces done and only have the boots left. Unfortunately the set is VERY heavy on attack so may not have been my greatest decision ever haha. Keep up the great work man!
I want to see you make a video testing Guan Yu + Alex with Lucky coin & Horn of fury
So from both OV king Sloudi John Wick testing (both of them had 2 formula on stats) as well as Chisgul, we had the following general fact: HP helps and improved the fighting the most. (not to consider aoe or extra factors)
I don't understand how it took until Guan Yu for player to realize that debuffs only begin its effects after the skill itself lands and not immediately after the skill was cast.. I was only using Cao when I found out about it.. which then makes it look like the debuff only applied 2 turns later when in reality it takes about 2 turns before a skill even lands because of the animations..
I figured this our when trying to test how Theodora can cleanse silence effect (not only Guan's) (as per her description). The result was (correct as ~ 3 months ago):
1. Guan activated his skill at 10th turn
2. If, and only if theodora activate her 1st skill at 11th turn, she can cleanse the silence effect.
3. If Theodora activate her 1st skill at 10th turn, the silence will be applied on 12th turn
4. If Theodora activate her 1st skill at 12th turn... there is no way ... as she will be silenced at that point.
Just sharing my past experiments.
merci pour votre travail, quel est le meilleur arbre pour Guan en bataille sur le terrain ? merci a vous
Thanks for the great video Chis. I'm looking forward to when I can use my Guan. But at the moment that's a long time from now. I'll reference this video in a few months.😉
I think if you wanted to test which stat is better for Guan Yu / Alex, you would want to reduce randomness in the march you are facing to get more consistent results and reduce outliers? Maybe just pit them up against Dragon Lancer or City Keeper? You would obviously win by a lot, but maybe it would change how much you win by, depending on which stats you are using on your Guan Yu / Alex?
funny enough I did Guan/Alex tests yesterday with the horn & feral nature to figure out if the horn helps cross paths with guan's expertise skill. The horn doesn't help in the beginning but guan's active skill fires off 4 turns after alex's. It did cross paths but it only got 1 turn of 15% increase.
Damn gd analysis... Appreciated
You can flip the scenario though, if you have a march that buffs the 2nd skill such as Zenobia/YSG where you boost the YSG skill with Zenobia expertise... maybe this is partially why Guan is doing better against Zenobia that expected
You guys dont get the point that infantry equpment is mostly attack .. i mean we do have a weapon that gives 25% 20% 13% attack but no such weapon gives such amount of health or deffense ..so comparing 36.5 hp def n atk isn't rlly fair .u need to campare the maximum health , attack and defense equipment available which will help us know where to put our materilas in and thx for the great content anyways🙏
This is amazing and so helpful. Thanks!!
How am I gonna keep playing this game if you keep revealing my secrets? :(
What secret? 🤭
Victoria's secret 😱
love your vids keep up the good work
This more Rage while u loosing is so weird I want more info about that!
Thank you so much for helping us
and thanks to Cortex
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Sooo good. Love this detailed info.
Really interested in seeing if the results are comparable with another 2nd commander, like CM, R1 or even Sun Tzu
Feral nature stat a must have, because you are talking about one vs one situation. However guan alex are monsters in murder balls and massive fights, we need feral nature to proc their skills as much as possible. In one versus one maybe it’s different but one versus one never happens 😁
Great video. Thank you, Chis!
5:42, He might have used a “horn of fury”
Lilith removed 5 min speeds from barb reward pool. RIP barbs
These suckers !
That’s the explanation I needed, 🙏🏽
Which accessory is best for Zeno to go with my ST currently I’m thinking about the coin as it would shield the garrison.
Hey chis my man i really love your videos can you make a video of guan yu and leonidas
Chisgule did you ever figure out if fernal nature is good to have or if its not good to have?
This was an amazing video
Hello. Do u have any idea when will skill lock and reset will come out?
I looked it the battle log after battling a barb and the silence comes 1 turn after his active skill... Maybe this is just in the case of battling another Guan that it comes 2 turns after?
Has anyone had gems be taken from them randomly cuz I went from 4.9k to 900 gems and no I didn’t spend or miss click
None of my equipment has the boost stats, how many times do you need to forge to get the extra boost.
Luck
100
It's all based on luck. Which is bananas as getting a lot of those gold tier blueprints is not an easy task to get a lot of.
Artemisia - wonder if the self-silence with right commander can create a broken skill damage. Timing tricky. I also wonder if El Cid/Hermann popular rally swarmer in ark could actually make the rally perform better.
Hey chisgule, food for thought, say you have an Art Tomy vs Guan Alex... realising Guan's delayed silence.... would a Tomy Art be better pairing than Art Tomy to stack more poison as a counter....? Not sure how it all works but potentially worth a looking into? Thanks for another rocking video chis!
Great work keep it up bud
Hi! Please advice how is it even possible to reach 36% health bonus? There is only 2-3 infantry items with main health bonus, like Karuak legs and blue shield, so how did u do it for tests?
For me it would bring up a question.
Did you test the atk stuff with the legend gear and the health with gear which gives you health?
My guess here would be, that the high amount of materials you need for legend stuff are not worth it compared to the cheaper once...
Would be nice to known or tested.
I can't find it, but I thought that in game somewhere it showed that damage received caused rage generation.
The only way I could see to test attack, defense, and health is to attack a different commander than guan (attila/takeda maybe?). And maybe do all the same equipment except change gatekeepers shield vs sakura kabuki to see what works better
I would do it except my guan is 5 1 😂
It is not that silence takes 2 turns to have effect but the active skill actual activation is determined 1 turn before its effect is cast. The silence has to disturb that activation turn or else it won't stop active skill even if silence is present when active is cast next turn.
The new battle logs have more details that you can refer to.
13:50 at Avg Units Remaining you have Atk -5,111, you said in the video that those results are calculated with 35% more stats than the person you are testing with... does this mean u are actually losing more troops if u have same def/hp but only a bonus of 35% extra attack. Sorry if i didn’t got it right and thank you for your time.
Guans extra skill damage is a chance to which is some times the extra damage
So what happens if you use silent trial perhaps that may help by split seconds
Keep up the good work Chis, much love
Great vid dude, more like this! ;)
one question and i need a simple answer , does feral nature suck and if so , what's the best talent built for guan if i don't have the horn ?
So if you don't have horn, should I take feral nature talents and put elsewhere? Moment or triumph.?
Hey Chisgule, i really need your help to explain something. How do i make the best use of Guan's expertised skill, if I don't have Leo? Does this pairing of Guan primary with Alex secondary actually give Guan the additional skill damage due to the shield? I remember you said in another video that it is not guaranteed Alex's shield would give Guan the bonus skill damage boost.
wow this video was crazy inside details
Chis this is really a GREAT video, thank you so much for this interesting info, you deserve a big fat thumb up!! .. Speaking of equipment, I wonder what would you pick between a karuak's humility and eternal night? Of course they are different tiers of equip, just would like to know if you think that 12% defense is better than 8% health.. Thank you!
Is there any correlation between the losing side generate more rage with AoO rules that losing side generate more skill bars?
Do openfield battle (not in AoO map) have same phenomenon? Curious
But nice video Chis and Cortex, really appreciate your hardworks
How does this work with Leonidas, Leo doesn’t get the 50% extra damage now right?
Wasn't it in one of the previous video telling us that health gave you more wounded troops?
More total troops wounded, but also a BETTER trade overall. Does that help clarify?
Alex debuff effect on enemy by his shield last for 4s or just during his shield on?
so this vid make guan/leo even better on paper. cause leo give health and he does some decent skills dmg that go well with guan silence
But i use guan/leo,i don't getting any heal 🤔
Great vid
Welp, guess I’m gonna have to rework my gear again😂
We also need a bit more of a range for epic equipment for commanders (different stats like health and def) we have enough attack stat equipment
Do you think that the kvk buff +40% damage changes the conclusion on the stats?
So which tallent tree is best for Guan Yu, Boss. I see you and your friend have different tallent tree?
I am a very low spender you might as well say free to play player, as such I only really focus on one type of troop generals. I’ve almost maxed out Constantine , my next choice will be Guan yu or herald. Would love to know which commander you you think I should pick ?
It’s not that weird that when you’re losing a fight you generate more rage. Think about it as if you were on the battlefield personally soldiers form a brotherhood these soldiers that died are just as close to them as their own personal family . so when you see your brothers falling all around you , you’re naturally going to get in raged and more angry therefore generating more rage . So it makes sense to generate more rage as more of your brothers are being killed.
This is a game not real life
@@EfrenGarcia that is completely true but a lot of game designers tried to replicate a lot of what happens in life into their games it makes it more relatable for the game players. My cousin is a game designer and he wants explain this to me this is one of the reasons why Sims was such a huge game
What i Want to ask you if Health is the best statt for infantry why should someone make an effort and craft legnd set because there is Not a Single piece in it with Health and also the set Bonus there is on Health! Any thoughts?
Hi can you show whats the best build for guan alex???
So should we use your talent tree that you show us in this video?
In the stream u told me to watch the video so im doing it now lol
LOVE these videos Chis 🤙🤙
have u already tried all attack equipment guan v all health guan. I wanna watch it if u have
Chis, can you test on richard? i have a felling that richard do a better job with attack than pthers, because he can heal!
Video idea. In depth examination on how rage works. I spent too long thinking generate 100 rage then skill goes off.
Well, instead of raising your health stat, would lowering opponents stat work the same way? I mean by using the consealed dagger
Yes - concealed dagger both is highly valuable for reducing health, and also makes the health bonuses they have even more valuable
Eeeej goodday, do you know why i cant type anymore with my keyboard on my ipad only on ROK ? So anoying to use the screen now again
I think the best for open field is just to power what your march have for example guan yu alex is very strong skill damage march so i would say to increase thier attack not just health why?
Because in field you aren't making 1v1 you are attacking someone but he don't have to be attacking you back and attack will make you do a crazy amount of damage to him and melt him down but in other situation when someone attacking you like in 1v1 health and defence will help you more
But a tanky march that doesn't do damage ofc just stack more health and defence cause it's job is just tanking but nuking marches is doing damage you drag and drop don't leave it get smashed .. hope you understand what I mean haha ty
So how to apply this knowledge in field fighting?
So does that mean we should keep alex primary and guan secondary?
Well usually guan+alex 1vs1 isn't happening much . But this is important information . Wuzetian if she silence the guan+alex combo in the right time might help him too ... I was confused with silence , now i am not confused with that , but still the game is complicated . Keep up finding things cause we might have garisson commanders with more silence effect and guan 3 sec is mind blowing effect . The only thing I don't get is the rage thing .... Very good video overall 😊 . Also i am thinking pairing guan+Julius for extra survivability
But you didn't said which is the best talent for him
hey, does anyone know a good rage engine that I could pair with osmann? (I just started KvK 1 so I don't have any KvK commanders)
It would maybe be a good idea to SHOW the turns where you claim, that being the losing march gain more rage.
If Feral Nature did not proc a single time it could be much smaller things deciding why it works like this.
Might even have an idea why ;-)
Chisgule, does this test basically mean that if we want to prevent this from happening, and we want to go "hard" on rage generation, we should make sure we have enough rage to go 2 turns before their active skill, or else it's bad?
Potentially, it’s going to depend on the combo you’re up against!
Maybe the ark change has trickled into main game, didn't they introduce if your loosing you get buffed?
This definitely used to be the case in ark but I believe this got removed as Gekko was busy training loads of t1 troops to sacrifice and said he could now stop doing that.
I was on the verge of crafting the legendary set weapon which gives attack, now im not sure im doing that LOL.
Actually I don't think the dmg is much greater when Guan fires off during shield because he loses the 40 attack buff from Alex's skill for not being shielded. I've compared troops lost from the two scenarios in the past and it really isn't much. Unless it is strictly a severely wounded thing which you can't see in the log