Why The Last of Us 2 is Hated
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- In this video, I will explain why The Last of Us 2 is so hated by a lot of people. I will explain this with a few reasons and try to open a conversation between those who dislike this game and those who like it, so that we can have a civil discussion to understand, and appreciate the different points of views every person might have on the last of us 2.
Comment in the comment section down below your opinions on why this game is so hated and let me know if the hatred its justified in your opinion.
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Joel in trailer: “You think I’d let you go through with this on your own?”
Joel in game: Dead
Yeah they lied I went and rewatched the trailer just to be sure I actually saw it.
Tbf I guessed pretty quickly Joel would be dying in the first trailer. I assumed that scene was going to be a hallucination, and that Ellie would slowly become insane throughout the story.
I was expecting Joel to die, but not in the way he did. More of a self-sacrifice to save Ellie toward the end. But considering that they advertised the game as if Joel was going to go on this journey with her was blatant false advertising. I played the game once and never want to touch it again.
@@salempoor834 A self sacrifice definitely would’ve been way better personally. I also doubt I’ll play it again. Multiplayer will be a different boat entirely. Don’t think I’ll buy Abby’s DLC.
@@kugelblitzkrieg same, I thought Joel died between the games
You gotta be very young or very psychotic for wanting to kill a voice actor that doesn’t control there script or role lol.
Very young for sure
People are freaking strange.
There’s no proof this happened. Leftist propaganda stirring the pot to perpetuate the victim mentality
@@JB-mo8rs people sent death threats to CDPR when they delayed Cyberpunk in November. I wouldn’t put it past young kids and some sad and sick individuals to send death threats to Neil, despite how shit The Last of Us 2 was
@@spec_wasted Grow up then. People die. Get over it. "Oh no a character I like died. That means the whole game sucked." I'm also 15 and I am fucking fine. If it traumatized you, maybe you shouldn't be playing "big kid games." Hell, my 11 year old little sister played the game, and she loves it. She had no trauma.
You can hate the story all you want but sending death threats to the voice actors who just did their job is taking it way too far.
A couple of mentally ill people sending death threats is no excuse to deflect and dismiss TONS of valid criticism from perfectly rational people. That's weak, dishonest, cowardly propaganda. How much of the criticism involved no death threats at all? 99.999999999%?
Yeah doubt that actually happened it's just a common defense for them to use when people don't like the game
@@yourewrongabouteverything It actually happened what the fuck are you talking about. Laura Bailey is one of the most famous VA and would never lie over something like this.
@@yourewrongabouteverything You dont realise the power that the people have when they want to make their opinions heard
@@corporateoverlord8354 you are acting like this doesnt happen
I love this series. My main issue with this game is not getting to choose whether or not to kill Abby and having alternate endings. I hope that it serves a purpose for the plotline of the next instalment. Hopefully it all comes together beautifully.
But they can't do that bro, this franchise is like an interactive movie so we can't change it's plot
@@unbreakabledl I suppose you are correct, however, I still would have liked the option. I think this may have postponed many of the negative reactions until the next game revealed which timeline the series decided to go with. Anyway, I don't work for Naughty Dog & what's done is done
That ending is supposed to be ambiguous as to make you question who is really in the wrong in all of this
If you think TLOU should have player based choices, then you completely misunderstand the entire franchise and you completely misunderstand what Naughty Dog is about as a company. TLOU is not Telltale. There is intent to tell you the story they want to tell. It’s not about what you want. It’s about their characters. You’re supposed to feel disagreements with them because that’s humanity.
@@CorinthianIvory You don’t work for them because you clearly don’t understand them at all lol
All I know is Joel died a bunch of times in part 1 and always came back to life.
😅💀
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you're not wrong!!!
He broke the respawn button in part 2
@@Zora-_- Abby stole his "playable character priviliges"
But he decided to do a permadeath for this one, that was a wrong idea 😭
I feel so bad for the actor who played Abby, she actually did a dope job and did what they hired her to do. But damn, death threats? Too much for anyone.
i got death threats too in my life and nobody cared soo...why crying about it
@@ZERARCHIVE2023 Because you got death threats but "no one cared" , no one else does either? Projecting much?
10 losers on Twitter said im gonna kill you to her big deal.
Damn haha that shows how desensitized you guys are to this behavior. I mean I didn’t think it was crazy to feel remorse for someone haha
@@ZERARCHIVE2023 seriously? Dude that sucks, I would feel the same for you too if I knew you. You gotta surround yourself with better people dude
Amy Hennig & Bruce Straley are the ones who made TLOU1’s story great. They wrote Joel & Ellie. Amy was fired & Bruce left because of creative differences with Neil Druckmann. The writing talent left the studio for Part 2. That is why
Where did you get this info? Amy left cause of uncharted 4 bc of creative differences and then Bruce straley and Neil Druckmann took care of the uncharted 4 game lol. Neil was the writer of TLOU from the very beginning. But hey…If you have info saying that Amy was the one writing tlou…please share that info with me
@@apnerds You’re right Amy was fired during Uncharted 4 development- Which released 3 years after TLOU1. Amy was a core writer in Naughty Dog. Bruce Straley & Neil created TLOU1 together & Straley left in 2017, because him & Neil had conflicting creative visions-during the same period of development of TLOU2.
@@user-yh1sw8dm7zso ur telling me Neil Druckmann as the game director had like no role to the entire Tlou franchise and uncharted. Broski he’s the game director not a developer
@@architdewan6717 wouldn't be a surprise. I read about Kojima and Metal Gear Series something similiar. The first 3 parts were written by one of his employees which then left and Kojima took over and created MGS4 and 5 which were both horrible (MGS4 was more cutscene than game and MGS5 was just unfinished in many ways with a silly antagonist). In MGS4 he even wanted to kill Snake in the end and only after the team cried out he changed his mind. This seems like a similiar sickness like Neil Druckmann had to kill off the main character after the real writers went away. Maybe it's pure hatred about the success of another writers vision and their ego couldn't handle it and they had to crap on it.
@@zaris9598 ah yes now that you say that about MGS4 and 5 it makes you even look more stupid. Anyways have a good day
What people wanted: A new ellie and joel adventure in the last of us part 2
What we got:
I just finished playing and TLOU2, while enjoyable gameplay-wise, the story really was the weakest link.
I think if the story went into the possibility that there were other Fireflies at the other side of the country, and after Ellie learned the truth of what Joel did she set out to go to them as there's rumored to be another immunologist who could make the vaccine from her body. Little does she know, it was actually Abby who sent out that ruse to lure her in... then Joel learns about it later, and then take the story from there.
But that's just me.
What crybaby children who don’t like to be challenged and want the same crowd pleasing product over and over again wanted****
@@nightvisiongoggles for me i didnt like it because Joel was depicted as this kind of badass, strong character and lets be real Joel could have fought his way out of that even without a leg but they basically spit on his corpse and make ellie this ruthless character that doesnt even do what she wanted to do in the end.
If you still like it thats fine but i dont.
You wanted Cliche
@@Arise-22 Bro he's a human being lol. How tf could he fight with a gunshot to the knee? He's not Kratos or something
Sending death threats to voice actors is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. People definitely have issues.
Oh you are so right m8. Apparently the devs that created Cyberpunk 2077 were under threats by similar people, but who knows. I just think that these people need to relax a bit and grow up, its a game ffs lol, they need chill out man, maybe have a spliff or something to help em lol.
@@Nicinoo-lm7pl No kidding lol.
So dum 👍🏻
they’re just people living with their parents basement
@@Frayicz21 living with, or in????
Hating the story is one thing but verbally abusing one of the actors is wrong an should never happen
Yeah i hate the story wont be doing of nature to those who dont deserve it.
@Chad bad nuaghty dog.
@Chad bad Neil himself
@UnSet The ReSet what if they don't know?
@UnSet The ReSet while that is true to some extent. I wouldnt go so far with death threats despite how many years i have be waiting for this game.
I don’t even think Joel needed to die as a hero. It’s just the way he was killed off and how unlike him it was to just keep his guard down.
I personally think it would’ve been fine for me to see Joel get killed but in this way it just seemed bad for it’s story and characterization.
I mean isn't that sorta what getting old is? He lived in a community and made models for fun for years. His guard probably was down a bit. And even then he didn't really have any bearing on the situation when he died. I liked Joel but it makes sense story wise.
for me it was actually kinda okay how he died but I really wanted my revenge on Abby and the fact that I couldnt kill her was justs ooo frustrating :D
EXACTLY
Played it once I was gonna platinum the game as I did in the first game but I just couldn’t bring myself to play it so many times
I 100 agree with that
TLOU2 & Naughty Dog made us be the ones to take everything away from Ellie; her dad, her friends, her girl, her kid, her fucking fingers. Coming back to that house was literally heartbreaking and watching other gamers react similarly made me feel like I wasn’t alone in how I felt. And although I’ll probably never play this very traumatic game again lol, they really did a great job telling the eye for and eye story
Ya I agree coming back to that house empty broke me…you know you get reminded of that scene when she is playing with her baby in the farm and having good family time and then this…it’s a lot, I think the developers succeeded in that.
@@StrawberryCalcite I hear you. I have issues with the story line too. 1. How Tommy just freely gives Joel’s name to Abby. 2. How they don’t kill Ellie when she comes for Joel. 3. How one minute Tommy is like “don’t do anything” just to turn around and guilt trip Ellie into finding his killers. 4. How they force us to give a fuck about Abby and Lev as they essentially kill or try to kill everyone we’ve grown to love. 5. The fact that they didn’t give us a choice at the end on whether or not we wanted to end Abby. 6. If we killed everyone at the hospital end TLOU1 where the fuck was Abby?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a 10/10 for me. But despite the very lackluster story, it made everyone have feelings good or bad. I fucking raged quit after the scene with Joel and then it skips to Abby, and didn’t play for 3 months. I didn’t watch gameplays/reacts I didn’t even want to talk about it and when I finally did I cried the entire time. I was so angry and I still feel like the game is ruined (your 6/10 is very generous lol) But it’s still made most of feel the same about it and I’m glad I wasn’t alone in those dark moments.
I gave it a 2 out of 10 for the story. They tried too hard with the Revenge breeds Revenge, because the way they went about of achieving that is killing off all the good characters, leaving us with characters that are only good with making decisions that will get you killed instantly in every situation, but somehow keeping them alive because they had to make money off of a character that the additionally changed to make more favorable to gen Z and A. They should have took some advice from Adam Driver. It's not people critiquing the story that killed the character, it's the authors being woke that killed the character
no they didnt because abby's dad was originally black and abby didnt exist xD making the whole plot irrelevant
She also lost her mother's knife in the water while fighting Abby.
It's a really gloomy game. Choosing the game setting to be in Seattle (A place known for being rainy and gloomy) was a clever game development move imo.
Agreed
Yep
@@apnerds You are so biased. Yes this game does have an SJW agenda, yes this game did get rid of Joel because he was too masculine, and yes this game does make Ellie’s sexuality a central focus throughout the game and saying that it’s not is just self-denial. I mean just look at who killed Joel; do you really think that had nothing to do with SJW propaganda! Come on bro be real.
Made me dislike Seattle
@@gonzalez6073 I hate to break it to you bro but gay people exist. Ellie’s sexuality wasn’t a main focus, Dina and Ellie were simply in a relationship the entire game. They do this all the time with straight couples, but I don’t hear anyone talking about the “straight agenda” and how the game focuses on the characters sexuality. It’s not that big of a deal. Gay people aren’t an agenda. They’re literally people who love the same sex. It’s not that complicated.
All the ppl sending death threats to Laura Bailey are pretty dumb, because even she thinks Abby isn’t a good person
Yup
Lmao but ellie is? Why do people fail to see that abby lost a shit ton more for making the decision to kill Joel, she lost all her friends, her home, everything, because of ellie who single handedly killed more people abby loved than abby did to her, so I think it's about perspective, someone commented that if the first last of us started with abby and her dad on trips and all that for him to then die by Joel we would've hated joel and Ellie so like I said perspective
@@flextape7323 In the last of us universe there’s no such thing as a good person, just who you choose to like.
@@glopping1984 exactly they were both terrible people, however I believe in this story ellie did do more horrific things to abby, but neither of them are good like whatsoever
@@flextape7323 Be honest, you liked killing all those people as Ellie on your first playthrough, didn't you?
The day the game came out I played it, I was so full of excitement and joy. Then when Joel died, I remembered being heartbroken. And immediately hating Abby. I refused to continue playing the game for about two years when I finally decided to finish it. My views on the game changed tremendously. I no longer hated Abby as much as I did previously, and I love the game now. I still have a grudge towards Abby don’t get me wrong, but I can’t say I would have done differently if I were in her shoes.
It’s kind of scary how your experience is EXACTLY like mine. I started playing this game 2 years ago and was heartbroken about the Joel scene and refused to play but decided to play again and my ps4 died. (My ps4 sensed my anger lmao) 2 years later, I just finished the game today and it really changed my feelings. I still think they did Joel’s character dirty and his death feels like a betrayal to the fans…
My brother, you stopped playing a game for 2 years because a fictional character was killed, seems like you waited until your balls dropped to be able to finish it. Same goes to the guy who responded before me. You guys are the reason media changes their stories because of whiny fan outrage
exact same scenario for me , just finished it and i’m so glad i did , it was incredible
Yep. I hate how I saw where naughty dog was leading me and I was like "nope youll never make me feel bad for Abby I just want her dead" and against my will they made me not want her dead.
Agreed
I found myself agreeing with her more in the end I hate to say
It's a shame you failed to mention Joel's personality and perception shift. He was a cold/calculated killer in the first game. A man hardened from the death of his daughter and grey Converse weary from all strangers, going to a guy who randomly trusts a stranger he just met...
You also didn't mention the FAKE marketing that naughty dog used which featured Joel in parts of the campaign that took place way after his death. This wasn't marketing a year before release, no it was used just months before too.
Sup BlueMarvel, I talk in depth about Joel’s death in a video called: was Joel disrespected in the last of us 2. If you want, you can check it out.
P.S: I made a video discussing how reviewers claimed at the time that the plot leaks were not accurate. Only the footage leaked was legit. Great way of spreading misinformation about me as you’re so obsessed commenting in every the last of us video I’ve made LOL. Hope you find something better to do with your time than spending it on this. Have a good day 👍🏼
Yeah, it's almost like he had a character arc in the first game or something.
A man who then met a girl who became daughter like to him.
I really hate the fact that Ellie never learns that Joel killed Abby’s father. Abby never says it I would love to see how that small piece of information could possibly change Ellie perspective. I mean Ellie truly believes that the reason they came for Joel was because she could have been the cure. And that he stopped it. She has no idea that it was way more for Abby.
Maybe it was intentional?
@@juneyoon4432 because the guy he's killed wasn't her father
@@LIONPRINCE2001 it was her father bruh
@@LIONPRINCE2001 dude, did you play the game? wtf
he was literally going to kill ellie and he literally threatened to kill joel if he took her.
Here is my opinion, I am not a fan of the story, but I absolutely love the gameplay
@@anthonyhamlin16 no problem, it’s always ok to have disagreements :)
@@Schmacks ofc im glad you find the game entertaining regardless.
@@anthonyhamlin16 yeah lol, I’m a sucker for stealth games, and something about crawling through grass grabbing someone by gunpoint and silently killing them is super badass
I agree with you there I enjoyed playing the game but hated the events that happened. It made my brain hurt on why they killed Joel 🤦♂️
The graphics and maps were really good but the story is bad
I loved the father-daughter connection in part 1. And I kinda hoped he would magically appear in half the game. But the game is amazing by itself. Just wish Joel was there.
That’s how I feel, watching the show makes me sad cause of how good they cast Joel and he’s just gonna die in season 2 :/
@@JFred720 not necessarily, there’s 4 years between the first and second game, there are lots of potential stories to tell in that time period if the producers and writers want to go that route.
Go get some bitches
What you said at 5:30 to 6:02 I wish the entire world can hear. We are still out there! Thank you for that.
I just pretend ellie forgave joel she got to watch that movie with him and they still live in Jackson
Lol I pretend that ellie didn't get her 2 fingers bitin off
@@JessieorQuinn Yeah that's the main thing I'm really upset about, I hope they retcon that or somethin in the third game. If there is a third game
Good idea let's pretend! Part two is non canon in my eyes! "Not my Joel"
@@UnnamedChorf sure hope there is
Yep they’re watching Kurtis and viper 2 and never went out on patrol
I think the combat was incredible, absolutely brutal and vicious.
Agreed. Very much agreed.
Yet, I still didn't like the game as a whole.
Brutal
Bruh...have u ever played doom or mk?
@@theblacksky5645 Those games play brutality and gore for fun and laughs. TLOU2 makes you almost feel like you're actually killing people with how they die.
@@sirazazeloflowkey6424 Same with rdr2
@@sirazazeloflowkey6424 Perfectly said my friend 👍. Yes u are right the game as a whole im not the biggest fan of but the combat is beyond realistic and just ferocious.
I played the game a year later when the hype and drama died and I enjoyed it a lot. It was an unusual journey from start to end, and it doesn't care to please you. It's an overly violent and depressing game which made the experience conflicting but I think that was the point. We're not supposed to feel good nor happy playing it, and when I finished it I felt empty, if that was their goal, I say job well done, and thanks for giving me a different gaming experience.
Literally what I went through as well !
Thats like having sex with someone but instead of sex you just get your balls kicked in repeatably. Nd being like THAAAAAANK YOUUUUU
@@anaszakiri salat is better
true
Why would you want that? The sadness has to be poetic somehow look at the rdr2 story, it's tragic but better
Third "Last of Us 2" video I'm seeing on UA-cam and nobody has mentioned the sheer brutality of how Abby killed Joel and her deliberate torture to him.
It isn't just that Joel died but playing the character who really wanted Joel to suffer to the point where she tourniquets him to prevent a quick death was a dumb idea. Have no sympathy for Abby no matter what we saw from her story after seeing HOW she killed Joel. Ellie and Joel never showed that type of darkness and cruelty. They did things to survive. Abby could have killed Joel quick and she didn't. She took pleasure in making it slow.
In a way I understand why Joel died but I just didn't like how he died.
Thats what i love about the story.. in real life we dont like the way some people die either. Great story
@@anthonyhamlin16 Yea but it's not how he would act he would know what shit she was pulling
@@stevie_schillens9451 Take something that you're good at. Then don't do it for 4 years. The let's put you back into the position and demand that you preform at the highest of levels. Odds are you wouldn't be as efficient. That was Joel in a nutshell, except his mistake cost him his life. It happens. He's human.
@@anthonyhamlin16 There's a lot of shit in life that doesn't make for good story telling.
@@midasthestallion4105 I don't play some videogames for years but I'm still good when I come back.
Spoilers!
This video sums the points up nicely:
- play as abby for half the time
- joel dies early and doesnt get any pay off
- forced to fight ellie as abby
- kill a bunch of ppl for revenge just to not kill abby
@Mannen i den vita hatten completely agree, but then why make us go through such a journey, where she is murdering everyone to not kill the main person lol. Abby got to get her revenge early on with Joel, but then ellie never got hers. You can see the flaw in storytelling as well
because that's how she mourns. she does not think. blind revenge is a vicious circle. and they live in an apocalypse world.
@@loadshedding2532 because in her journey she finds out that in that very moment she is doing the same thing abby did to her... Its a cycle... When you play as abby you see ellie as trash and what joel did was very selfish.... We all know that, however when you experience it as a some outside his point of view... You see joel with the same eyes you saw abby. Its a cycle... At the end its just using a story to tell you about our greed... Greed not the bad aspect of it, but as something to keep us alive, a reason to live... And this behavior is all over last of us 1 and 2... Outside these circles of characters, everyone is experiencing this same cycle. The game is an amazing metaphor... However i get your point if you only focus on the political aspect and as characters that you developed an attachment... Basically making you feel like how ellie and abby felt. Beyond a game. (English is not my first language.)
@@loadshedding2532 You missed the entire point. It isn't about revenge.
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@@Chronorust lol what, how is it now about revenge? The whole game is centered about the idea that revenge doesn't solve anything, and can often be worse than what you imagined. I think you missed the whole point lol
If I'm being brutually honest, I don't think there was nothing wrong with part 2. Part 2 felt like 'part 3', it should have been 'part 3' really. Everyone that played the first game really wanted a sequel between Joel and Ellie, so they can go back to the father and daughter relationship and see what could have happened in this zombie post virus surival world. They could have made that game and explored the damaged relationship when Ellie finds out Joel lied. If that was the game of course with more story content to it, and then they release part 3 later where they kill Joel and Abby is introduced. Then Naughty Dog would have gotten a really good trilogy. But to add more salt to the wounds regarding the leaks and of course how social media and Naught Dog handled the backlash. It put everyone off, in return it failed because no one, or the mass audience had moved onto other games. Attacking fans and calling them bigots or sexist, racists and so on, didn't help the game or its future. It certainly didn't help ND, even if there is a part 3.. I doubt it will get the same response. Because everyone has moved onto other titles or free to play.
"virus"
Fungal infection
@@nightcrawler5409 shoot, you're right. Thanks for the correction. Completely forgot it was a fungal infection.
Im a fan enough... if they make a 3rd... and good one with ellie... ill give it a chance
100% this would of been much better being a part 3
I completely agree I was I thoroughly enjoyed this game I actually played it 3 times and it honestly got better each time. I really do think they should do a prequel where they show tommy and Joel’s experience before they meet Ellie cuz I honestly don’t know where they could go with this story
I think that if the last of us one was about love, and the last of us two was about hate, then the last of us three must be about acceptance.
Here's my theory:
The last of us three will start with ellie going to Jackson's, all alone and by herself. Then, in her way, she finds a girl, few yeas younger than her, that's also immune. As ellie goes around the country trying to find dina and j.j,(the baby), she will flashback to her youth and how this new girl(or boy) represent how ellie was. This will show ellie how much joel loved her, but instead of feeling sad and attacked by this flashbacks, shes now feels gratefull. This girl will recover ellie's humanity. they start trusting each other. Ellie tells the little girl/boy her journey with joel, including how she got bit and how she lost dina and the baby. However, the new group of fireflies will find this girl and start looking for her just to make a cure. Ellie and her start running away from the fireflies untill ellie is captured. Then the little girl will have to go in a search for her and in her way find dina and the baby. The girl will promise dina to bring ellie back home. She goes on looking for the fireflies untill she finds them and see's ellie surrounded by a bunch of doctors, (they were about to kill ellie to make the cure). At the end the little girl/boy makes a trade with the fireflies, her life for ellie's. The fireflies accept and free ellie, who was still unconscious. Now the little girl is kept in a room apart and is told that the operation is going to be made tomorrow,(they were going to make the curethenext day). The girl/boy sleeps during thenight peacefully untill abby enters the room the immmune kid is kept on and free's him/her. Abby takes the kid out of the building and gives her a map. There is a red dot that shows where ellie and dina are. Before the kid can ask why abby is doing this security shows up and abby tells the kid to run. The kid runs. Hes/shes now going around the country again to find the farm where dina and ellie where. Days pass, and the kid finally makes it to the farm, where she starts a life as part of ellies, dina's and jj's family. The kid tells ellie thestory of how abby helped her scape, for wich now ellie is gratefull, and all the hate she had for abby banished, forever.
TLOU2 is about forgiveness.
I also say this as respectfully as I can, but your idea for the story is some of the most horrendous I’ve ever read. Some of us like challenging dark stories, not everything has to be a Disney happy ending.
@@ItsSVO don't worry, I appreciate your opinion. It's true that the last of us 3 may not end as a happy ending, it's just my own opinion. Because the last of us 3 is probably going to be the last game( if naughty dog is infact going to make the game), it would make sense for them to end it in a happier way than the last of us part 2 did. However anything could happen. As the last of us part 2, the last of us part 3 may not end in a happy way as you said.
Thanks for the comment. I would love to hear your own theory about the last of us part three if you are okay to share.
The last of part 3 prequel
Find out all the messed up shit tommy and joel did to survive for 20 yrs
That would be an amazing idea
@@apnerds I think the last of us part 3 should give the player the ability to make decisions to change the game as they go
Yo this is legit
You dont know how much i want this, it would be so good, plus their dlc for 2 should be tommys pov
@@Teejay765 why not lol? Abby and ellies story is over, abby has nobody left except for lev in the ocean and ellie is presumably with dina and her kid... However theres a HUGE gap of story missing from tommy and Joel. It would be cool to see what they did to survive because we dont know
I'm just stuck on how Abby looked in the end like whoa 😳
It was a big shock for sure
She’d been getting abused for months
same i was like "wheres your muscles" 😂
That fakout when you think you found her, because you see a bulky person with braids. But then you realise you actually walked right past her. Clever misdirect.
@@TheRealHappyHuntsman true! I kept looking for any way to interact with her for minutes till I found out :D
I was always mixed about the ending of the game. Sure I would’ve loved to see Abby drown and Ellie kind of become the monster she was hunting, but I also think Ellie was beginning to realize she was losing her humanity through vengeance. Through Ellie’s eyes, she’s taking out many to take out the person who took her father figure, but we end up realizing Abby was trying to do the same thing. If Ellie killed Abby, the person Abby saved would’ve just repeated the cycle. I genuinely think Ellie wanted to end the cycle of revenge as for both characters, they lost so much and had nothing to go back to. They both in very dark ways got to start a new beginning
I agree with everything but i believe ellie didnt think about ending the cycle or not,she just kept that little humanity that was left in her in the end ,fursthermore she saw joel and herself in abby and lev thats why i think she let abby go. In the final moments where ellie knows she is able to kill abby all her thoughts run in her about losing the chance to forgive Joel and at that moment she realises and accepts that and finally letting abby go
While I agree with this sentiment, this story is such a mess that it doesn't feel like it. It just feels like a cop-out. Maybe if they had a different ending or 2 endings depending on how you go through the game, it would've worked...but the story is so jumbled and a mess, people who are going through the long game killing all these people and having the game telling you, "this is the way to do it", it just comes off as lazy writing. Like a start and then an abrupt halt.
The whole cycle of violence is a stupid excuse, given the kind of world the characters live in. Ellie could have killed both Abby and Lev. What kind of cycle of violence can we talk about if this is the norm for them?
I think a big part of why people hate Abby, outside of being a muscular lady, is that her introduction is, after Joel and Tommy save her and her friends from the zombies, she shoots Joel in the leg with a shotgun and then proceeds to brutally beat Joel to death with a golf club in front of his family as they plead for her to stop.
That already put her far into the irredeemable zone in a lot of people's eyes and it didn't help that the theater climax shows her shooting Tommy and killing Jesse then cuts to having us play as her. It just makes Abby look even more like a monster and makes the Abby segment feel like the writers are trying to sell us on her virtues when the past 10-ish hours were us stewing in our hatred of her then that sudden reinforcement with the theater confrontation of why she needs to die in Ellie's view. It made the whole thing fall flat, in my opinion
pregnant lady: PARKOUR
That made absolutely no sense why she would even be in a combat situation
@@henrytownshed5304agreed, and none of the quests make sense, because we saw what kind of comunity they have, any quest couldve been made by an army for safety, but noooo, 3 of us or 2, lets have a trip in a world full of scars and infected, at least they could have made a plot where you need to sneak out becouse no one aprooves your idea
I haven't been pregnant but I can honestly say that you wouldn't be doing parkour because on your period you just want to curl up with a hot water bottle
The whole game feels as stupid as that.
i hope the baby its okay
_How can you say that the ending is about nothing?_
_After the pre-final fight, Ellie began to live a peaceful life, leaving her revenge behind. But there is one problem: if you turn down this path, there will be no turning back._ _Ellie does not sleep, does not eat, she has nightmares and is haunted by one image._ _This image is Joel's disfigured face._ _From now on, she is mentally unhealthy and will no longer be the same._ _And so, Tommy appears, who instigates her and Ellie goes to finish what he started, leaving Dina and DD. Why did Tommy do this? FROM_
_lova: "Revenge is like poison. As soon as it takes possession of you, it will turn you into something nasty."_ _That's exactly what happened to Tommy. This path of revenge left a scar on his character, changing him for the worse._
_Before the last fight, Abby asks to stop this and says that she will not fight, but Ellie decides to complete her path of revenge. In the final fight, we see that before killing Abby, Ellie remembers Joel for a second and releases Abby. Why? Because in this way she atoned for her guilt before Joel and, most likely, got rid of the images that haunt her. Atonement through forgiveness. They forgave each other and let go of their suffering._
_In the final scene, Ellie returns home, but it is completely empty. She sits down to play the guitar and we see that she can no longer play without two fingers._ _Ellie remembers their last meeting in which Joel accepts her gay, which shows him as a wonderful father. Ellie says she's unlikely to ever forgive, but she will try._ _Joel thanks Ellie, to which she replies "see you tomorrow." A tear runs down his cheek._ _It flows down, because all these two years_ _Ellie hated him, how she found out the truth about the Cicadas and on this last night she gives him hope. But they won't see each other tomorrow_ ...
_Ellie is left all alone and loses the last one, which reminds of Joel - she will never be able to play the guitar again_
*_"Everything has a price" - Joel Miller._*
They are both a problem
@@lucasralphs1350 nothing at all but in this game it was just so fucking filled with a political agenda it just doesn't feel authentic especially in comparison to left behind.
Valve VAC-systemchecker how? we already know that ellie is gay so it makes sense that she will date dina.
@@Account2129 no they're not
I'm not gay but when I played TLOU2 I didn't have any problem with Ellie being in love with Dina. Actually I think if Ellie wasn't lesbian, it would harm the story.
As in the video said some people hate this game and they're trying to harm it in every possible way and when they do, it outbreaks like a cancer and you see everybody talking about it.
It's funny cuz Ellie was shown to be a lesbian in TLOU left behind and we all loved it but Ellie being lesbian in TLOU2 is a problem.
And we had many actual good games that the loved characters were killed in and we all praised them.
It doesn't make any sense.
@@user-ug7mq4zv9b that's so nuanced, the chemistry between Ellie and Dina was terrible, the scenes they had didn't feel authentic at all felt way to forced, the timing and pacing was all over the place where someone close to them dies and all you hear is Dina keeps shouting Bae bae bae bae it's just so off.
I can't speak for everyone, but what I hate about Abby's appearance is the fact that it's unrealistic in a mostly-grounded setting. For a person to have her musculature, she would need to consume amounts of protein, calories and other nutrients that would be comparably excessive in a post-apocalyptic scenario. Either she and her companions are absolutely prospering or she is repeatedly -- and visibly -- hoarding rations for herself, which shouldn't sit well with the people around her. The setting has no laws against executing hoarders and thieves anymore.
The saddest part about this game's story is that it could have been fantastic if it had just been told differently. Have the game start from Abby's perspective, introduce her as a new protagonist and pretend that the series is being presented as a sort of anthology of stories from the same setting but starring different characters. Have the same events play out with the revelation that Abby had been tracking Joel (surprise, you were playing as the villain all along! Assassin's Creed 3 did this pretty well, if you want an example of what I'm talking about). Alternatively, have Ellie meet them in a more friendly manner, spend some time getting to know them and growing attached to them, and inadvertently lead Joel to his death because she wanted to introduce them and didn't realize he was their target. *Give Joel a more respectable death.* (It's not that difficult. It doesn't have to be some glorious leap into Valhalla. Telltale's The Walking Dead did it with Lee Everett just fine.) Continue as Ellie afterward, have her hunt down Abby as before and (this is the important part) *let the player choose whether Abby lives or dies.* Instead, they established someone as a villain by having her kill off a beloved character, immediately expected us to grow to sympathize with her, and tried to play it off as something great *just* because it was unexpected. They went full Rian Johnson. Never go full Rian Johnson.
There are women with high testosterone production you know
@@The8BitPianist I also know that testosterone is only part of the equation. Abby would still need to be heavily nourished to sustain the amount of muscle mass she appears to possess, which doesn't make sense given the setting and circumstances she lived in.
In a game with fungus zombies, your problem is that a woman is muscular?
@@Circurose The thing is even if the premise is somewhat silly, the world still needs to adhere to the logic of our world in order for us to make reasonable assumptions about it. Game logic only functions when it is similar to reality in some ways. Applying some first aid after being shot 20 times is silly as well, but if characters could suddenly breathe underwater the immersion would be broken, for example.
I disagree though that being muscular is "unrealistic" or whatever. She has a high position in her group, thus probably access to all necessary resources, and does physical work and training all. the. time.
I just think people are salty because she doesn't adhere to stereotypical gender roles, which is based.
For me...this game was 75% a total piece of sh*t! The 1st part and those 25% of this 2nd one was amazing, but...man oh man! I couldn't have butchered a game in the way they've did with this game even if I've tried!
I can’t replay this game again the amount of emotions you go through is just exhausting
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@UnSet The ReSet found the racist
Yep
I can play the first one knowing that I'm going through a lot of emotion. The sequel, I just don't care for HALF THE GAME anymore.
there's she skip cinematic option
As a wise man said "a happy ending satisfies a few but a tragedy haunts everyone"
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Thats some real tea bitch
Who tf say this
Straight facts:0
I think Ellie should’ve killed her in he end and then she would realize she’s too far gone and goes to live in the wild instead of returning to jackson
I really enjoyed this one. right after the first a and e theater scene, i stopped playing for 2 weeks, then continued to play. this made me see the story with fresh eyes.
I couldn't stop playing, but this might have helped. My problem was that I ACTUALLY thought that the game was almost over there. And that those first scenes with Abby at the stadium were just an epilogue. When I started seeing collectibles and ammo and some enemies, I thought: "Are they actually pulling off a second game after Ellie? And do they actually have the nerve to make me play through this animal and see the story through her eyes? And then as time went on... I started to balance my love/hate between Ellie and Abby. And very close to the end, I hated Ellie more than I loved Abby. The developers of this game are psychotic geniuses.
@@RicardoZambrana it takes a certain level of maturity to achieve your point of view.
@@RicardoZambrana lol you thought the game was over after like 10 hrs? cmon man...
@@Pete_123 took me like 15 to get there. And for some reason, everything up to that point had been so intense that yes... if the game would have been over then, I would've been satisfied.
The two worst controlling parts of the game for me were not being involved when Joel was being killed and at least getting the chance to try and help him and taking a few of the main culprits out. It would have also been more believable if Tommy and Ellie had managed to escape to safety. It didn't make any sense at all that they would have left them alive to come back and take revenge, especially Tommy, Joel's brother.
Secondly not getting the chance to take Manny out later in the game , the arsehole who spat on Joel.
It's as though Druckmann deliberately went out of his way to piss off many of the fans who loved the first game so much..
Sadly everything that made the first game so great was abandoned and it just became a brutal revenge story like so many other games.
basically retard story
game critics:just ain’t for everyone
Love or hate the story, you can’t deny that this game looked gorgeous. Naughty Dog outdid themselves with the graphics in this one
Agree lmao I just liked the whole Killing spree stuff
Who gives a shit about the graphics? It's like cheering because you found a kernel of corn in a disgustingly soupy diarrhea puddle
So would you eat dog shit with sprinkles on it because it looks nice ? Didn’t think so
@@jeremyallen492 my guy it shows where revenge gets u
@@Gabe-og4vj It’s not that deep of a game. It sucks
Love or hate the game it gets the conversation going. This game won’t be forgotten
Facts
I love both games
Durand Peavley, I liked the first game, but I hated the second game.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr yeah i get it..i definitely prefer the 1st game over part 2, i 100% see why it turned alot of people off...but part 2 is right up there for me too. I still can't get it out of my head lol
Durand Peavley, God of War 2 & 3, Telltales Walking Dead Season 2-Finale, Batman Enemy Within, and Red Dead Redemption 2 are just a few games with better sequels than the Last of Us 2 in my opinion.
I know this video is quite old, but I feel I need to point something out:
This goes beyond people hating Abby just because she killed Joel. Sure, I didn't like she did that either.
The big part of why Abby is hated so much has much more to do with the fact that her segments are manipulative and play with your emotions. Sure, we see that flashback of her dad's death, but even so, we barely see any of her relationship with her dad aside from them rescuing a zebra - this was surface level at best saying, "Oh, look at what a good person Abby is because she saved a zebra with Dad" but her dad is pretty much a jerk in regards to wanting to sacrifice Ellie - he doesn't even think "We should give Ellie a choice or at least tell Joel" why should I be sad he died when he's willing to kill a little girl for a cure that's been tried and failed at multiple times? For all we know if the surgery with Ellie went through it would've been a failure and Ellie's life would've been taken for nothing, and you get the sense he wouldn't have given a crap if that happened; he would've found some other young child with that immunity and tried it again given the opportunity, I can guarantee you that. And on top of that he had no personality whatsoever.
And with Abby's character, I personally didn't see her showing any remorse for killing Joel - she did it with no second thought. Yes, she had one nightmare, but I always interpreted that as her having nightmares about her dad's death, but she never really has a moment where she sits and goes "Killing Joel has not brought me any peace." And her reasoning for saving Yara and Lev was arbitrary at best - it was clear early on in her campaign that she didn't see anything wrong with what the WLF was doing to the opposing faction nor did she speak out about how inhumanely they treated the Seraphites. And on top of that, she clearly relished in the idea of slitting Dina's throat even though Ellie begged and pleaded saying Dina was pregnant, she actually said, "Good." And that's supposed to make me feel anything but hate for her? And on top of that, the way her character was designed to be super muscular was designed with the full intention of being a controversy - to please Anita Sarkeesian - create a female character with barely any feminine qualities to her and have her beat the crap out of two smaller women one of which is pregnant; what do you suppose people were supposed to think of that? Abby was purely a plot device, she was barely a character, just a means to an end, given no real contextualization or characterization, and any characterization she might have is just so shallow and cheap. She as a character deserved better than this. And this is coming from someone who considers herself a feminist, who talked about this very thing with one of my best friends who also is a feminist, and she completely agrees that Abby's segment in The Last of Us Part II was just screwed up completely.
And I have to sincerely apologize to Laura Bailey for receiving the death threats that she received, nobody deserves that. I can have all the issues I have with Abby, but attacking her actress is just unnecessary.
All segments are manipulative and play with your emotions. That's what fictional storytelling is. Emotional manipulation. We see enough of Abby's relationship with her dad to know that it was positive and healthy. That's what matters. The game doesn't, however, frame Abby or her dad as good people in the sense you mean. We already know Abby is capable of committing atrocities, and her dad was shown to be a coward being unable to answer Marlene when she asked if he'd still do the surgery if it was Abby on the table rather than Ellie. They're complex characters just like everyone else important in the story. It's just important to recognize that they're not wholly evil. That's what really matters. I agree that Jerry is a jerk, though coward is a more accurate description. He didn't want to risk failure with Ellie or Joel opposing the surgery. He wanted to create the vaccine at any cost. But hold up tried and failed many times? Where is that coming from? Are you referring to their previous research on the monkeys at the university? Ellie is immune. They've never encountered immunity in a person before. It was the last thing they needed for a vaccine. Also, the story doesn't really work narratively if the vaccine wasn't going to work. Joel's arc needed him to choose Ellie over the world to truly demonstrate that he's conquered his fear of attachment. Also, Jerry did have personality, but of course it wasn't detailed as much as a character who's in most of the scenes of their respective games.
Her entire motivation for what she does in Seattle is based on remorse for killing Joel. She's extremely defensive about it, and outright tells Lev that she's helping him to alleviate the burden of her guilt. Killing Joel was what she thought would alleviate her grief over her dad's death, but it didn't work. It only made everything worse for her. The moment where she realizes that killing Joel didn't bring her piece was about 3 seconds after she killed Joel as she stares at his corpse waiting for a relief that never comes. She saves Yara and Lev because she's trying to do some good to make up for the atrocity she committed with Joel. To "lighten the load" as she explains when Lev asks. Abby wanted to kill a pregnant Dina as revenge for the murder of pregnant Mel. This was the old hateful and obsessive Abby creeping back in about to repeat the same mistake she made with Joel, but Lev stopped her. Lev, a representation of Abby's new commitment to doing good, kept her on the path and from returning to her old ways. See it works on multiple levels like that, which is why the writing is so brilliant. Oh stop with this Anita Sarkeesien stuff. Find a new boogeyman already. Gamergate was years ago now. Abby's physique is a manifestation of her obsession. We see in the aquarium flashback that she was prioritizing her training over her personal relationships, which ultimately led to her and Owen breaking up. She bulked up because all she cared about was killing a guy who wiped out an entire hospital. Also, Abby has human qualities to her. No need to gender it. You're supposed to be horrified by what Abby does to Dina and Ellie, but relieved that she lets them go. Breaking out of the way of thinking you held onto for 4 years is tough, but Abby did it even if it probably took longer than it should've. Abby has intensely detailed characterization to the point where she's more developed than Ellie was in the first game.
Why hated ? Because they kill one of the best game protagonist ever made...very bad decision ever made...
When you kill a whole hospital and people who can make vaccine, ofcourse you’re gonna die!!
No matter what,actions have consequences!
I will never understand or respect anyone who believes that making real life threats against actors or developers is acceptable, even if they follow it up with "just a prank bro." There's a huge difference between having an opinion and being unstable. People can argue amongst themselves about whatever meaningless nonsense they want, I couldn't care less, but being so troubled by a work of fiction not going the way you want it to that you seek to harm the creators is insane. The idea that everyone deserves respect regardless of what they believe is what empowered these lunatics to try and harm others in the first place.
I wonder if fighting and killing people through gaming has something to do with this aggression towards the actors and the developers...
@@nova4005 it has been repeatedly proven to have no impact.
@@mydogeatspuke how has it been "proven"?
@@nova4005 hundreds of medically reviewed studies? Decades of the same claims being repeatedly debunked? Keep up.
@@mydogeatspuke Have you read these studies yourself? I have a background in science and I'm used to reading studies (which takes 30 to 40 minutes per study), assessing the information of an individual study, as well as all the studies that make up the stated proof. Journalists who don't read studies very often misrepresent them, so it's important we read them ourselves.
Will you link to a few of them? 👍🏽
I don’t like the game, but why do most of the people who hate it got to act like Neil and Crew committed a terrorist attack? Seriously, it’s like these people never experienced fiction before or know what that is.
Also, if an FICTIONAL character is Gay, why does that mean we have to associate it with real life? Who the fuck cares? I’m surprised people act like that with this game, but the Game Of Thrones fan base dosent try to threaten to kill George RR Martin on this level.
Hahahaha 😂😂 great comment and I agree. Honestly, it feels like they committed a terrorist attack on the whole world. I’ve never seen anything like this before and how so many people justify all of this.
Because it got political, people called them out on it, gets even more political and then the chairs start flying. Bring up sensitive political issues at a large family gathering and there you go
@@BreeZieDoesiT how was it political?
@@BreeZieDoesiT its called "representation".
6:39 Only with anabolic steroids though. Even Abby's real life inspiration is a CrossFit athlete who does steroids. Women in the gym, bodybuilding, will not get that buff. It's just not how their muscles grow naturally.
I was banned from someone's twitch chat the other day because I jokingly asked if the settlement that offered Abbygator gym equipment and adequate amount of protein also offered her the roids required for those kinds of gains. (The chat was full of banter from both 'sides'). BOOM, banned. You are NOT allowed to ask the 'wrong' questions and joke around with the people who defend this game - they take it very seriously, and personally too it would seem.
@@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN Yeah. It's somehow seen as misogyny to imply that women who bodybuild don't look like that. In fact, the inverse happens. Women who do natural bodybuild look MORE feminine than women who don't, because they develop lower body musculature which enhances their curvature.
Those nerds have never been inside a gym.
I honestly believe that Naughty Dog was deceptive, they actively marketed this game towards fans of the first game, just to spit in their faces. However, nobody should be sending death threats to the actors involved, nor the creators, if you don't like a game, write a review, make a video commenting on *why* the game is bad, let people know *why* that you don't think the game is worth spending money on.
I’m so bummed out about Joel. If you played the first game you develop such a connection with him and to see what happens in the second game is just urgh. I can’t finish the game:/
I’d suggest finishing it.
@@idkjustaname6406 I’d suggest not , there’s no good message that comes
From it and in the end nothing really gets resolved and left me and I’d assume many others feeling empty and disappointed
@@instant_noodlez6992 While I agree that there wasn't any closure (and trust me, I was desperately clinging on to the first farm scene as closure and it just wasn't), I do recommend finishing the game. Sure, some aspects aren't the greatest (I, particularly didn't enjoy Abby's arc, though it isn't a bad one) and there will be a lot of loose ends, I still think the experience would be nice, and some questions may get answered, depending on where you stopped.
Plus, the fighting style in the game is pretty cool.
for me that's the thing why tlou1 was for me one of the best games before tlou2 released.Even if you know that Joel is a cold blooded,brutal individual you still love him.And for his decisions in tlou2 comes a bill to pay.
I would say at least get your money's worth from the game, even if you don't like the story. Playing as Abbey is a bitter pill to swallow I know, but there's some good gameplay to be had still.
You forgot to mention how Naughty Dog tried to cover up the leaks by initiating illegal copyright strikes on UA-cam and the false advertising with Joel. Those are 2 things that also pissed off fans.
@your face reminds me when I stepped on a burrito 3 me too they are acting like a 9 year old kid repeating the same stuff
@your face reminds me when I stepped on a burrito 3 🤣. I can see the truth is too much for you to handle. Go get upset at Naughty dog, they did it.
@@GoldenFalcon2 thanks for chiming in. A totally objective comment that should be uncontroversial, but this is the internet...
@your face reminds me when I stepped on a burrito 3 Dude (or dudette), it's not that serious. The author of the video literally asked at the end if he left out any other reasons people hated LOU 2.
@your face reminds me when I stepped on a burrito 3 The fuck? You like being lied to? Weird asf
WoW, first video that i watch from you and i already love the way you see the game and the facts that you say!
Congrats! Really mice video:)
They had us play as the character who killed our character lol I think that’s what pissed us off the most. I would of been happier playing as tommy and elle teaming up to get revenge
Yeah but you gotta think in abbys perspective, Joel killed her father and also took away the survival of humanity (which honestly wouldn't of worked but ofc these people believe it) so ofc she wants to kill Joel but later in the story she becomes exactly like Joel, go against the own people all for a kid which is why I soon started liking Abby and forgave her for killing joel
@@ydlkomorebe426 Abby's dad was a fucking idiot, bro threatened armed to the teeth Joel with a scalpel, tf did he think that would do? Even if the cure worked, the Fireflies will only provide immunity to their own at best.
They expected adults to be playing the game. You know, adults that understand context. Adults that can separate their emotions from logic.
Adults who can appreciate how fucking awesome the story is.
@@ydlkomorebe426 While true, this is just a poor storytelling approach in general. Think of every single action/adventure movie you've ever seen. The hero/heroine will take on dozens/hundreds of 'bad guys' in pursuit of their goal. Now if we stopped and asked "Did this henchman have a family?" "Was the stormtrooper a single father trying to make ends meet?" "Was the dude Indiana Jones blasted with his pistol actually a well-respected man of the community that saw all the commotion and just came to the aid of his people??" You could go down that route, with every single dispatched character, since the beginning of time, screw up established narratives, and think you've 'justified' it with backstory. TLOU2 would have been better if the Fireflies Doctor was an established character, or perhaps had some history/backstory shown during TLOU1, so that when Joel has to kill him, we're also ambivalent about it. LIke "wait, what? This guy? We're killing this nice doctor who just wants to save humanity for Ellie? Aww crap". But they didn't.
@@ydlkomorebe426 her father nearly murdered a child I'm pretty sure Joel had was in the right for killing him.
Joel's death made me cry like a baby
A pregnant female surgeon in the apocalypse: “I’m going to leave my highly protected sanctuary because....reasons.......now I’m dead”
And go to another highly protected sanctuary to work there as a medic. You left that part out.
Also, did you miss her reasons? She doesn't want to sit around doing nothing because of her strained relationship with Owen. He hasn't spoken to her much since Jackson, and she's jealous of Abby, and rightly so it turns out. She wants to distract herself with work.
@@jameslanier2510 that's cool and everything but she was cleared, like someone looked at her belly and said "yup, you're perfectly in condition to go out in the field." That shit makes no type of sense
@@bigblackjay900 To go to the FOB and work as an onsite medic, not go out in the field.
Yeah this was the most annoying story point imo
You do realize the reason she left was because of Abby right? She was jealous cause Owen still loved abby and clearly made abby his top priority over his woman and future kid. She wanted to be close as Owen as possible
I don't blame the actress who plays Abby, I just don't find Abby to be a likable character, even before she killed Joel. One of the mistakes the game made was having Abby kill Joel first before getting her whole story. In fact, the whole story wasn't written very well. This could have been a great story, and I probably would have loved it, but it just wasn't a good game. The biggest problem is that Abby isn't a well written character.
If the whole idea was to teach us about hatred, then let me introduce to you a movie called Troy. In it, we have two sides of a war going on, the Greeks and the Trojans. And representing each side are two characters, Achilles and Hector. We grow to love both characters, even understanding everyone involved. No one is big bad villain, they're just human characters we grow to love and care about. And when Achilles and Hector finally fight, we don't want either one to win or lose. Even when one kills the other out of hatred, we don't hate the survivor afterward.
The point is that Abby wasn't someone that many liked because she needed to be built up as someone to like, not because the plot or writers says we should. And having her kill Joel in the beginning was a major writing mistake to do. I'm not against the idea of Abby killing Joel, I'm against how it was handled, including her character.
for me i disliked it the same way i stopped watching the walking dead after glenn died. it felt like they had zero respect for the character they built up and everything the story has said through those characters becomes completely pointless.
and in the game and show both characters die in the worst way possible, skulls smashes into pieces by random characters that ur supposed to like but have no things to care about.
TLOU1 "When you're lost in darkness, look for the light"
TLOU2 "When you're lost in darkness, stay in the darkness"
The ending of TLOU 2 Is that "look for the light", letting go your hate and giving yourself the chance of recovering from trauma and constant hate for someone. As you grief, you accept the fact that someone you loves is gone, so you move on
@@DavidArgunov yeah,
Playing a game for revenge and then at the end not even getting a choice is a good game
@@iwillhelpdefeatjustiny.1640 When did he said tlou2 was a good game? Stop saying bs and learn to read
@@nmm7449 what do you seriously think he meant when he typed that reply?
@@nmm7449 learn how to right “say”
Just finished. Now processing.
I think the trouble was the pacing and how the story played out between playable characters.
If right after Ellie heads to Seattle, we saw a bit of Abby’s back story, then each day in Seattle revealed the goings on from each perspective, it would have felt a bit more even-keeled.
Playing the whole arc from one and then retreading the whole arc from the other was frustrating. It felt more jarring and I was just waiting to get back to the climactic point I had reached with Ellie.
I’d have had more empathy for Abby if each day showed me both sides of the story in smaller chunks, even though it likely would have wrecked gameplay.
I disagree. If the game was chopped up, yes, the story would flow better but the game play would suffer. I would have disliked having to switch gear setup each time, but you already know that. Plus I think we all wanted to play as Ellie the whole time so switching would have made the game feel worse. Idk, maybe the 10 hour break from Abby was needed to try to forget what she did in the beginning.Truth be told, I didn't mind the story all that much. I think it was good but not great. Now the game play was amazing and I think sacrificing the game play for a little better story telling would have been a huge mistake because then I would have definitely not played it.
I think they dug themselves in a hole when they decided Joel was going to die in the beginning. It would take a great story developer to pull it together. Unfortunately that didn't happen.
If by doing this they would've lost the value of the twist when you restart the timeline from Abbys pov. When you restart the Seattle timeline with Abby you start a relationship with the characters that Ellie, you, have without emotion killed. This is where you start to question your own decisions as Ellie because suddenly the characters you have killed now have a backstory and emotions and means something to Abby.
Thats is also why it is crucial for Joel to die within the first 2hours of gameplay, to set this story up. It is an amazing story laid out and the hurt all of us felt when Joel died in the beginning is proof of excellent storytelling.
@@jm860421 I'm sorry but that "twist" was a straight up retcon (look up the doctors face in TLOU1.) and so damn predictable to make it seem like the most brilliant plot connection between 1 and 2. Joel had the most pathetic poorly written death ever (they know how to survive and Tommy becomes a straight up monkey) and the direction was extremely wack/coincidental. Had those flashbacks with Joel and Ellie been put earlier to ease us into who they are now after the timeskip it would have had a much better impact. Not to mention the terrible decision to make you do all three days with Ellie and then Abby. If it had led up to a point where we knew Abby and then she killed Joel we would have had more understanding as to why she did what she did. Playing flashbacks into more flashbacks was just poor direction/pacing. I also hate the bias between Ellie and Abby. Ellie is put out as pure evil. While Abbys side is all look at these people Ellie killed, look at these dogs Ellie killed. Its just so damn bad at telling both perspectives evenly. Attack on titan does this SO much better.
I wish they had ended it after Seattle. I was okay with Joel's murder, I was okay with playing as Abby, and I felt that Ellie and Tommy's killing spree was enough of a revenge story to hit the themes and message the writers wanted to convey. They even could have ended it with Tommy telling Ellie he found Abby and leaving it open as to whether or not Ellie decided to go after her, similar as to what they did in Part 1 where you couldn't tell if Ellie believed Joel about the Fireflies or not.
But they tacked another two hours on it just to rob Ellie of any semblence of a happy ending and I feel like the story suffered for it. Part 1 didn't have a happy ending either, but it gave us a little bit of a pay off with Joel finding meaning in his life again. Ellie got exactly what she said she was terrified of in Part 1: being alone. It was bleak and depressing and all we got was Ellie sadly walking off into the woods. No payoff at all :(
I disagree as I think it was better to build up the player’s strong emotions against Abby while playing as Ellie and then playing as Abby till that climax for a great contrast in perspective and emotion. I was also upset playing as Abby in the beginning but seeing her story beginning to end like that really had me on equal side of the 2 characters because the writers/developers were showing us it’s just a cycle of hate due to consequences.
The biggest problem as a carry over from the previous game I had was that Jerry Anderson would have probably failed to create a vaccine from extracting a fungus from Ellie. I was hoping that would have been addressed, because that's not how vaccines work and we have no info on whether Jerry had ANY experience creating vaccines to begin with. He was literally just playing mad scientist. They get Ellie, run some tests and decided within a day or so, 'we gotta cut her apart'. Jerry was the only one who could create the vaccine? Based on what? What kind of doctor doesn't create any kind of research documentation? A Jerry who was going to fail from the start. 😂
Also, Cordycep infected exposed in winter climates and still fully functional? GTFO here with that malarky. Even The Walking Dead figured that plot hole out.
@@crazyinsane500 I get that at least some of the Fireflies are not good people when one of their foreguard headboops Joel while he's giving resuscitation to Ellie, but why would the Fireflies go through all that to fuck over FEDRA when they could just kill Ellie right from the start. Hell, at the beginning, a Firefly probably could have convinced Joel to do it. They spent a lot of resources just to say "FU Fedra". FEDRA would at least have someone from the CDC who would know to perform a spinal tap or plasma examination and keeping her alive would be the top priority. So hypothetically. they can find out that Ellie isn't immune but rather her mutation is latent for 5 years before activating. Since the Fireflies fast tracked that vaccine and now everyone has inoperable Cordycep infections. If their motive was to screw over FEDRA, she would be more valuable to them alive.
@@crazyinsane500 The Fireflies are not portrayed as incompetent terrorists at all. All the people who have bad views of the Fireflies are FEDRA and people who thought they crossed the line too much, the latter of which is valid. Part 2 even reinforces this by having Ellie go through what was basically a museum of Firefly war crimes at the end of the birthday flashback.
They were genuinely trying to make a vaccine though. Not only is that the right thing to do (create a vaccine, not killing a child for it to be clear), making a vaccine is also the best way to fight FEDRA.
The fundametal problem I have with this game is its dissonence. It rips you out of the story and world and to me made the entire experience tedious and boring expecially compared to the first game.
There is no dissonance, and it is intensely immersive not ripping you out of the story and world for even a single second.
@@krasmasov6852 It is literally the opposite
@@gaia7240 I didn't think people would still be so wrong a year later
@@krasmasov6852 how can you not see It?
@@gaia7240 Because it doesn't exist
Lol I’m playing the 1st last of us because I’m trying to play as Joel again
On what? I still have it on ps3 mint condition and ps4 remastered
Yep
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Too mature for a fortnite player
Did you play the second one? I know a lot of people hated it but "finding strings" is pretty cool for you guys who only liked number 1. Just Ellie and Joel fighting bloaters again
I absolutely loved the gameplay, the combat was amazing for me. One of the best things about the first one was how it got your heart racing in combat, this one does it even better for me the suspense was ridiculous.
@Jayne Wayne I totally agree, I really liked "finding strings" with Ellie and Joel too. That "rat King" thing was ridiculous I died so many times
I know I'm in the minority here but I would like another one, like maybe one going back to outbreak day but following the seraphites and that woman they worshipped.
@Jayne Wayne sounds like a really good idea, they could make endless chapters if they go that route, maybe even take it to other countries that would be pretty cool. Hopefully it will happen for ps5
@Jayne Wayne we can only hope, has there been anything from. Naughty dog about new games?
Did we play the same game?? The mechanics are decent but still very limited. There was one stealth kill animation..ONE, now granted a few of the executions were unique but at the same time not really game was pretty bare bones
@@reallyhimongod what are you comparing it to? I'm just talking about how much I was bothered whether I died or not.
So Ellie lets Abby go because revenge is bad but yet Abby gets off scott free for killing Joel for REVENGE from him killing her father.. man when i played the ending i was like what!? Left weighed and wanting.
Nah its not left, its just stupid.
The game just isn't good
To be fair, everyone close to Abby died. All of her friends except lev.
1. I didn't like Ellies reasoning for hating Joel
The fireflies didn't give her a choice either. They didn't brief her before the operation.
If they said "Hey this procedure will result in your death and the chances of developing a cure are low, but that possibility still exists. Are you willing to sacrifice yourself to give humanity a future?"
And if Ellie responded with yes, then I would understand why she would be angry. But they didn't tell her and that's why she asks Joel what happened at the end of the first game. Now she's reaping the benefits of that decision by living a happy life in a relatively safe community with a parental figure and a loving partner in toe. So this made Ellies character more unlikable
2. The portrayal of Joel's character and subsequent death.
Joel is a lot more passive and trusting unlike in the first game. He doesn't defend himself when Ellie blows up on him. He was acting too unguarded when surrounded by Abbie's group and readily tells them his real name. Which results in them attacking him and his subsequent death.
The death wasn't heroic in the least and Ellie gets captured and sees it all happen. Imagine what was going through Joel's mind. To fail at protecting one of the few people he cares about in the world.
3. The game then forces you to play as Abbie for 10 hours.
Why would I want to play as the character that killed Joel? I hate Abbie and no amount of exposition or perspective shift is going to change that.
I remember watching a compellation of a bunch of UA-cam Lets Players, letting Abbies character die when they encountered Elie. That should make it evident that the devs failed at making her character likable.
4. The ending was unsatisfying
Ellie goes on this massive revenge quest, murdering scores of people, and when she finally reaches Abbie. Instead of shooting her to end it all, she unties her from her bonds and puts down her backpack with all her weapons. In favour of using a knife. None of those decisions made sense in my opinion. Why put yourself in a disadvantageous position? She loses two fingers as a direct result of those choices. The player is not given the choice to kill Abbie either
5. Minor critiques
Abbie's character design looks unappealing and the sex scene was quite unnecessary.
The game forces you to kill a dog
Compared to the first game, the tone in Part 2 was a lot darker. Consistency is key in story telling.
In Ellie’s defense, that was a big shock to hear, and she did have a right to angry. You are right in stating that Joel shouldn’t have taken all of it, but he was the only one left to take it as all the fireflies were gone. I have no doubt Marlene wouldn’t gotten the same treatment if she were still around. Ellie had survivors guilt really bad from all that happened in the first game, even years later. She wished she had died to bring some meaning to all the trauma. All that said, she was coming around in the end, and I’ve no doubt they would’ve patched things up had they not taken Joel so damn soon…
Everything else you said, I pretty much agree with apart from not killing Abby. It wouldn’t have solved anything and Abby did demonstrate guilt by taking responsibility for the kid who was then reliant on her. Killing her would have put Ellie in the exact same position as Abby in removing a parent figure from a kids life. Abby and Ellie both lost nearly everything from all this. The damage was already done.
@@steveo7771286, I can understand your point of view. What your saying does make sense. But i still think the story was poorly executed.
Have you seen the analysis video by the youtube "The Closer Look"? He basically rewrites the story and its infinitly better.
I love revenge narratives but I hate it when the character backs out near the end or is presented with a holier than thou attitude and refuses to kill the antagonist due to their principles.
@@aniconomics Yeah, I just thought that when she had that flashback of Joel in the end, she thought to herself that if she killed Abby, she would be, in a sense, taking Lev’s Joel away, and I believe that’s why she let her go. In the scene that followed, it seemed to give her peace, so I guess in the end, that was what mattered.
I finished this game 30 hours ago, still in depression from the ending.
(Didn't expect to get this many likes! Most I've gotten so far. Thank you to all and overcome the depression☺☺)
Did you overcome it?
I was super depressed cause I played this game and it was such wasted potenetial.
I never overcame the depression from the ending and it’s been a month
I just completed it, I agree, It just left me sad and angry.
I finished 1st game 3 days ago... 2nd one I finished 24 h ago. I'm broken... I'd cry if I could, angry, depressed... so many mixed feelings. The ending didn't sit with me well but I guess that was ND intention. That's why this game franchise will always have a piece of my heart, even tho they shattered it and stomped it.
I still think it's one of the best games ever made... both 1st and 2nd one, each in own right.
The reason i hate this game is just the character, Abby is literally hypocritic with dealing people, like kind to Yara & Lev and so on, and mean to Ellie & other WLF people and they all kill each other. Why is Abby killing their beloved WLF friends who had relationships with her for years to save Yara & Lev who had just few days to meet each other? I just can’t sympathize with Abby.
This was a fabulous video. Great job!
Gameplay wise, TLoU 2 is fantastic. The story-telling is what turned people away, mostly how they handled Abby and Ellie. Both of their stories are driven by revenge, but for whatever reason, the developers felt that Abby is entitled to revenge but Ellie isn’t. Abby spent 5 years between games hunting down Joel to kill him, to the point where it basically became an obsession, and this is after Owen kept telling her to forget about it and move on. Then when she finally kills Joel, she gets confused and emotional that Ellie inevitably came after her and her friends died in the process. Was she really expecting no repercussions for killing Joel after hearing Ellie beg her to spare him? Did she really think Ellie wouldn’t come for her simply because “she let her live” after killing someone she cares about?
And then there’s the end to Ellie’s story. She finally gets to Abby but lets her live and in the process, Dina leaves her, she looses her switchblade and can never play guitar again, while Abby gets to live and build on her new friendship with Lev. Why did Ellie gets punished so heavily for seeking revenge? Why was Abby entitled to revenge but Ellie wasn’t? It’s like once the developers created Abby, they fell in love with her and tried to force the players to like her too while they got a hate-boner for Ellie for some reason
This^
We're not sure that Dina left Ellie. She had her bracelet when she came back and she didn't have it in California. And also she had no weapons on her. And Dina's not gonna leave her. She loves her very much.
@@Teejay765 if you wanted Ellie to pass up on her revenge you must of been part of the minority
@@Teejay765 you don't get to decide something is wrong with someone because they disagree with you.
Tbh i liked the story. It was the perfect balance of messed up that gave both sides thinking they were right when they're both wrong. I want stories like this where there is no good ending and only leads to chaos. I can see it being confusing and weird at points but it really comes together at the end.
First half-hour I played as Abby I purposely died a few times
Did you not like Abby at the end of the game?
No one cares
@@ggt4437 well at the end of the day Abby kinda won, killed Joel and took two fingers from Ellie and still lived lol
@@blazter1082 And? What's your point?
@@ggt4437 I think that you're being too defensive. Calm down. You're making us look bad.
I feel like a huge reason people don't like it is because they killed Joel. Which is a Is stupid reason, Joel isn't a hero and he deserved what happened to him
That’s todays generation sadly, they care about characters and not much for the actual story. They’d love the shittest fan fiction as long as their favourite character survives and gets a happy ending who cares. I can’t imagine how self involved and narrow minded you have to be to feel that way and I’m glad I don’t.
It literally retconned a ton of stuff from the first game
For me the point where it was most painful to watch isn't when Joel was killed (although any death of the character that you get to know better is painful). The most painful part and really got me to just not want to continue the story is when Ellie decided to leave her family to chase Abby...again.
Couldn’t agree more
and then ellie didn’t even finish the job
@@whats_tungsten9178 Because killing her will not help her anyway.
@@geaarmel6764 Sure but then again the people Ellie killed were way less worth killing than Abby since they didn't directly cause Joel's death and Abby's life isn't any more special than any of them, they've all gone through the rough reality of what their lives have become and they have also lost their loved ones just like both of the girls. Abby has gone through something very similar as Ellie but she's the one that gets to exact her revenge and it's okay but Ellie isn't after slaughtering so many people just like Abby has? You could argue that Ellie just became broken in the end and she was tired but it makes so little sense considering the events beforehand and the fact that other people had the same value. If anything I do strongly agree that if they gave the players 2 choices it would have worked out and it would break the format of the first game as well. The ending only speaks to me as a tool to make the different and subvert expectations just to try to not be "cliche" and unique just for the sake of it rather than it being a coherent ending that matched up with the motivations of the people in the story.
Although I like the idea of switching the opponents as playing characters, the back story of Abby's was too scrambled to root for her, unlike Ellie's relation with Joel was crafted so beautifully in the epic Lost Of Us Part I. Abby's characterization was so desperately wanting us to like her in short time. Her relationship with her father and boyfriend were very shallow and short living. I only started to gain interest after the introduction of Lev and Yara. The creators should have focused more on the two kids, portraying Abby more as a care taker like Joel himself which they only did near the climax. In a hind sight if these two stories were more intertwined, it would have been great. All said, the game was no short of excellence. Unfortunately the first part set such an high standard and expectations.
Whaaaaat? How can you possibly claim that Abby's relationship with Owen was shallow? I genuinely don't understand how you can even make that claim. Also, a majority of Abby's story is about her taking care of Lev and Yara. Sorry, but did you play the game? And the story's are thematically intertwined, which is what matters.
She meets the kids half way through Seattle day 1. Before that they fill out Manny and Mel and give us some flashbacks to Owen which are all pretty important to establish that she's struggling with where she is. Then she dreams of the kids that night and wakes up day 2 with a new found purpose. I would say it's practically her whole story.
I would say one thing. Abby's part wasn't short . You play as her for 10 hours . For context, the first part was 10 hours long.
>that being said, this game is nothing short of excellence, aand that's where i personally disagree, feel like people use the line in a more snarky manner but IMO as the quote from joel/the first goes "there was a sequel, wasn't as good." IMO. cool you liked it tho.
I really like Abby, Owen, Mel and Manny. I think Danny got shafted a bit and could’ve had a bit more done for him because he just gets killed by Owen but meh.
Doesn't actually go into why people hate it. Because if he did try to tackle the genuine criticism he would have nothing to show.
Shit story unrealistic characters Abby would never exist in real life. Do you need more you retard?
Gmaplay is soo soo good, but it was actually painful to play the story as I bought the game to see the dynamics between Joel and Ellie continue to grow. The trailers that lied to the fan base really didn’t help with either, I don’t think it’s some woke game but I do think the killing of Joel and making us play as the killer was obviously going to make people salty it’s not hard to see that
The issue i had was they didnt link the storylines well or make us empathise with abbey enough. If it showed how terrible her life was but her life was fine. Thats the problem
@@KABOOMANIMATIONS Abby showed zero remorse or realization that she murdered the guy for nothing, a guy who just saved her fucking life btw. And her killing off her WLF buddies to save Lev wreaked of desperation to make the audience like her.
@@TheKillaShow you are very right my friend
a possible reason so many people got worked up over joel dying was, well, grief. So many of us are so attached to Joel and Ellie, that when one of them dies, they can't handle it and they lash out.
It's amazing that a video game can incite this feelings in us.
Which is the whole point of the game. Grief drives Ellie to do the wrong thing, to pursue vengenance with such anger that it destroys her life.
Just as some of the fandom got so angry and grieved Joel so much they lashed out just as Ellie did, in some cases targeting the voice actress for Abby, in some cases Naughty Dog themselves.
A reaction which is unquestionably just as wrong as Ellie's quest for revenge.
The game dives into the 'us vs them' mentality, the way that we justify Ellie's violence because that's *our* side so she must be in the right.
It plays on that by then making us play as Abby and realise that from her perspective she was just as justified and in the right as Ellie.
It's incredible that the fandom personified the point of the game so much.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human Interesting points except Abby is not justified. She’s a piece of shit who doesn’t even feel bad for what she did even though she’s a “good” person
You make it sound so much better but it wasn't grief for me. It was the fact that Joel died in such a dumb way. It was so convenient for Abby and they dumb Joel down. Not only that, but Abby never explains who she is at all to him. Just tortures Joels.
Cool if you liked it but felt so cheap for me.
@@BoardWalkToke I mean, considering the context surrounding the scene, it actually makes a lot of sense for Joel to behave the way he did. Despite that, he was still pretty suspicious of Abby’s group.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human If there are people who hate Abby after finishing the game, clearly the part where Abby is “justified” wasn’t executed well. I’m not even a gamer but this whole debate is basically people expressing their thoughts on a game and then others trying to dictate how the game was “supposed” to make you feel. It really seems like there were great ideas for Abby and Naughty Dog could’ve done a better job with her
One thing I think they should’ve done is added some participation to Joel’s death if that makes sense. Forcing the player to make Ellie crawl towards Joel without any success in sheer desperation trying to fight keeping him alive. I don’t like how they did his death in general but the fact it was just a cutscene didn’t do it much justice
i agree
Ah, so you would like it to be a neir Automata's death scene, right ?
This sounds like shit writing, why they would let ellie crawl to joel lmao, its not a soap drama
@@ThatFuckinGame lmaooooooo
@@ThatFuckinGame the whole game feels like a tumblr fan fic tbh 😂😂
Setting up such a character to die and then base the rest of the game on the premise on revenge ,really has to end with at least the option to finish this quest in a way one sees fit. Having them pump us up for revenge and to just decide to let Abby live is the main reason for me, why the game is hated.
Amazing gameplay
Lamé story
The end
If Last of us part 1 tell us about Abby's perspective first, about how she living in a post apocalyptic life with her father, a hero figure for her, a doctor who is trying to save lives.. And suddenly some random stranger just rampaging on everything without a warning, killing her friends, her community, and her father in a blink of eye.. And after a long time training with tears and blood she finally meet the killer and managed to fulfill her revenge.. It will be harder for people to sympathize in Joey or Ellie perspective, even with the exact same story
It's rumored that TLOU1 is getting a complete remake, so maybe they'll do just that
@@LeeEverett1 Please no. the series has taken enough. Give it a rest for a few years.
I agree but I don’t think Joel killed her crew/ that clan. Unless im wrong im not sure
@@elliotdehart4302 joel killed her father if i remember who was the doctor we killed in the last level in the game who tried to kill us but joel easily countered him and stabbed him in the throat
Know what's reaaalll awkward is if you played like I did and just snuck by them all. xD Yikes. I mean yeah, you still kill her dad, but when Nora was like, "Think about what he did! How many people are dead because of him." I was like, "Only one. I didn't really kill anyone... :( Give me a break." Lmao
Idk if ur gonna read this but
My biggest issue is how the story felt dragged on for the extra hours
N how ut felt like it was meant to be 2 different stories rearanged into one
Yea. I 100% understand you. In My first play through, it was rough at certain points. I actually enjoyed it more playing the game a second and third time.
Bruh I got so burnt out when we get to space needle with lev, I was ready for something to end, climax, something!
Exactly, like the slave cult people at the end really didn’t need to be there.
You have to play the game multiple times it gets better the second and third time through
OMG thank you for this, this is such a great video. There are points that I get why some people may not like the game and that's okay (I myself love the game and still have a few aspects that I didn't like and would certainly change), but the hate tlou 2 receives is really exaggerated and I genuinely think that most of it's just fabricated hate, which is so sad because even with all the flaws the game is not that bad. It just became kinda of a trend to hate it. I honestly wished that every the last of us 2 hater could watch this, not for them to start liking the game but for them to understand that maybe it is just not a game for them, and not an awful and horrendous game as they like to perceive it.
I honestly believe that the way people reacted to the game proves the games point of being so angry you can't see the other perspective. Even the mob mentality hate for the game is like the WLF or Seraphites hating each other and wanting to kill each other with the most tribalistic attitude. At the same time it's understandable people hate the game because it killed such a beloved character. And it's easier to make critiques in something you despise.
@@D_Jilla The game is hated because of many things. Joyle's death is one of them. But there is also a lot of drama, illogical moments, the stupidity of the characters. And people are speaking out about it. But of course it's easier to say that the game is hated because of Joyle's death.
I think the major reason for people hating on the game, particular the story, and they probably don't even realize it is that people are inherently inclined to people/groups they know or they are more familiar with. This is rooted deeply in our psychology because thousands of years ago we had to stick/work together with our group in order to survive. The people we saw everyday in our tribe were something like our family, therefore it's completely normal to feel threatened or hate outsiders because most of the time outsiders would mean a rivalry for food or ambushes to steal goods or people. People always saw foreigners as enemies because most of the time they had to fight them off or be alerted. In modern times all these emotions that come up in the game might be a bit confusing but I personally couldn't really sympathize with Abby and her people at all, simply because I know Joel, Elli etc. way longer and considered them as part of my tribe, family. If you ask me, it all comes down to yourself and your view, if burglars come into my house and try to harm me or my family, I won't really care about their family or their reasons for their actions, it simply comes down to my tribe, my family, the rest comes after. I really loved the gameplay, but for the story, I thought that they had some cheap plot spots to induce some artificial manipulative feelings to the player, that were very obvious, felt a little cheap.
THIS!!!
All I got from the ending was that Ellie went all the way to California just to lose her two fingers.
I loved the game but the ending leaves you empty and depressed. Just finished it and I'm still reeling.
I think ND wants you to feel like that, because that how Ellie felt in the end: empty and depressed. She chose what Joel would have wanted her to do all along, go on and live her life, but she did the opposite and she lost everything in the end. The woman she loved is presumably left her and she lost the final legacy that Joel gave her, the acoustic guitar.
@@bluesyrupgc4224 what? joel killed a lot of people only to save ellie, imagine if someone killed her, he ould have beaten the hell out of the person who killed her, if it was him at the end instead of ellie he would brutaly killed abby.
and she did not lose everething in the end, she can still go to jackson, probably dina is there and ellie can go there as well
@@grayfox196 That is not the point. You have to look past the initial revenge and anger because in the end what are you left with? Most games are black and white, surface emotions. This game is going deeper and looking at long-term real-life consequences of violence. There is no winner, no matter how you slice it. Yes, the person is dead and you feel short-term satisfaction, but in long term, the act did not bring back your loved one nor it will mend your nightmares.
Also, Joel was at the end of his life, Ellie was still young and had a whole life in front of her. My understanding of eye for eye revenge in Islam is that if I kill your brother, you kill mine (or another member of my family) and that is it. Otherwise, you have endless "justified" killing until all family members are dead.
In this case, Joel killed Abby's father and in turn, she killed Joel. No one else. If Ellie would have all the facts in front, maybe she would not have gone on a rampage. But we rarely have all the facts and in real life, no one is all good or all bad. Life is messy and mostly in the gray. That's what I got out of this game.
@@bender75 You have to look past the initial revenge and anger because in the end what
are you left with?" well with abby dead? thats the point
"Most games are black and white, surface emotions." tell that to god of war 3, imagine
if kratos forgive the gods in the end, what a crap would it be.
"This game is going deeper and looking at long-term
real-life consequences of violence." no it's not
"Yes, the person is dead and you feel short-term satisfaction,
but in long term, the act did not bring back your loved one nor it
will mend your nightmares. " what person is dead man? and who the fuck
wants to bring back the dead peson back? ellie dont want to brink joel back
what the fuck is your problem? no one wants to brink back the dead
"If Ellie would have all the facts in front, maybe she would not have gone
on a rampage." if abby would have all the fact in front, she would not be on a
ranpage
@@grayfox196 It's a game... remember that
I get that people hate this game for what they did to Joel. I liked him, I liked Joel, I loved his character in the first game. But the death threats need to stop, its unacceptable in a society that strives to include everyone. It’s a shame that a franchise that is about bringing people together in the darkest of times drove so many people apart. :(
@9752matt agreed. The minority community for this game and pretty much every game is despicable in how it handles criticism and the negative feedback for a game franchise as beloved as Last of us
i now right i hate abby but that just taking it so far like what the fuck is wrong with us humans
@@lauravalenzuela3445 yeah I hated Abby at the start but felt kinda bad for her at the end. Either way people just hate her because she killed Joel which at this point is so overused.
I didn't feel shit for her at the beginning or end
Just saying
@@jugsofmalk9987 I can see why, the main reason I liked her at the end of the game was primarily because of Lev and the bond they share. However, I didn’t like Abbie prior to her meeting Lev and Yara.
ah yes, people don't like the game because they "lack perspective"
and not because it's an objectively bad story
Why is it a bad story pls explain
Your opinion isn’t factual. Don’t be so entitled
@@alisoyupak2730 1) "Unrealistic"/ far-fetched for killing the hero of the first part
2) Stupid deaths of heroes
3) The ending, which gives a feeling of incompleteness and meaninglessness of everything that is happening
@@pizza6092unrealistic? Lool a man to die in zombie apocalypse 🤣
@@alisoyupak2730 I mean, Joel is unlikely to trust strangers. It looks like the screenwriters didn't know how to get rid of him.
another reason people hated The last of Us part 2 is because they didn't want a sequel, they found out Bruce straley was not involved with the game and then they invited a HBO Hollywood writer to come and work on last of Us part 2 doubt started to sink in and then they played the sequel and they didn't like it
I don't think it's so much that he died. It's how he died. And I know you've mentioned that but the emphasis on that was lost and made it seem that the reason why people are mad is because he died.
Does the way in which he dies matter more than the impact the death has? I don't think anyone can argue in a serious way that his death doesn't have serious impact and people can argue that his death was poorly done (I would disagree) but I think that the scene accomplished what it was going for, to get you to hate Abby.
@@Inressa for me its how early he dies. We don't get any other character development from him and ellie besides an hour long flashback. And thats 1 hour out of a 25 hour game
@@Inressa That's exactly it. The game set us up to hate the "ending boss" just to let us down in the end, feeling like all that efforts was to accomplish nothing. The story isn't suited for a game, more of a movie/book kinda story
@@jacobmyers5846 i think there's enough of that throughout the flashbacks especially the last one.
@@Inressa His death was poorly done because it felt forced and was not genuine. Helping Abby isnt something Joel would do. In the first game, hes ready to drive by / run over people who are asking for help. And we know enough about this world - one with cannibals, army rats, cults - that it is foolish to trust random strangers. So the fact that he just helped Abby and then willingly went to her group was very unlike Joel, and made his death seem silly.
Yes, playing as Joel in the first game was the best story ever and having to see Joel die in the second game so easily still doesn’t make sense.
He wasn’t a superhero, he literally could have died slipping lol, some characters just cant be in the stories forever, but i get ya,
It was an issue about the first game Joel killed so many people without consequences. If makes perfect sense people would come after him.
@@lukeswan7776 You know what also would've made sense? If Joel just got off the hook for free and the game did a demonstration of "good things happen to bad people"
Considering the theme of the universe and how loved Joel is out of game, but disliked in game, it could've made sense and pleased fans.
@@mistermaxie6487 exactly the developers focused on pleasing themselves instead of the actual fan base
@@mistermaxie6487 that’s called fan service, not being to true to the core of the last of us.
Heres the thing, even after everything we saw from abby’s perspective shes just black and white evil. Its clear that joel means a lot to ellie and we can see that on ellie begging abby to stop (not to mention joel saved abby’s life just a bit prior? but you also have abby, when holding dina at knife point, then when ellie says stop she’s pregnant and abby says “good” and only stops because Lev is there??? Seriously? You want me to feel bad for that piece of shit? She said “good” and almost murdered a pregnant woman? HELL NO. Even so its still never ok to send death threats to an actor
She initially thought it'd be fair revenge for the murder of pregnant Mel, but she doesn't follow through. She's not evil.
@@krasmasov6852 yeah only because of mel if not she’d kill a pregnant woman, shes evil
@@floshjix02 No, she was going to kill in the name of Mel, but chose not to.
TLDW : "You guys just don't get it you meanie"
Saved you 13 minutes, you're welcome 🤷♂️
Joel dying is not the reason why people hate the game. In contrast, people love RDR2 yet Arthur Morgan dies in it. You have the option, by the decisions you make, to go out brutally fighting but with some dignity in the whole process. Rockstar didn't force you to like or play as Micah thereafter to go and kill the other members of the gang.
pretty much this. this guy just wanted to push his gamerz dont like geeeyz narrative
you can't compare both games, they both have contrasting themes
This game : *wins game of the year award*
Internet : *proceeds to turn into a battlefield*
Lol. Game of Thrones Season 8 won an Emmy.
@@ChrisKHensley Not even close to comparable but ok. Meanwhile TLOU2 has won over 300 GOTY awards, a third of which were fan-voted. "Divisive game" my ass...
To be fair though, it lost that one fan-voted The Game Awards one, but only because the TLOU2 subreddit (the one dedicated to hate, similar to Freefolk) and 4chan organized all votes to a single good-at-best game (that carries _a lot_ of the same messages BTW) in order to ensure that a game they disliked didn't win; their only counter to such pathetic behaviour being "well y'all are doing the same thing by organzing to vote for TLOU2 to ensure it wins lmao" was and still is hilarious. What, fans voting for games they love is strange now? 🤣🤣
@@lshe97 It's the exact same thing:
1. Amazing storyline, all fans loved it.
Switch to:
2. Terrible storyline. Great graphics.
And "iT hAs 300 AwArDs"...dude, you don't think GOT has a bunch of awards from places that don't matter, as well? I just mentioned the most popular one.
@@ChrisKHensley terrible storyline?..... How so? It had great storyline just not the storyline people assumed.
@@javierlandaverde4108 That storyline is only possible if you abandon the character development in TLOU.
It is an objectively bad storyline, if you like realism, TLOU 1 and continuance.
Joel doesn't just trust random people, that's not how he survived up to this point.
Nora doesn't lie to Ellie about Abby's exact location, when there would have been no bad consequence as she wouldn't have known until way later.
Abby beats Joel's brakes off with a golf club, and then even though she is living the power of vengeance, she decides to let Tommy and Ellie go. Lmao. Ellie said she was going to kill them ! 🤣
Ready for it...
Ellie sacrificed her family, dozens more lives (who had nothing to do with Joel), and went to a different state completely... all to beat Abbys brakes off and then spare her life... despite knowing that Abby might come back and give her the Joel treatment. It's bad.
I didn't assume a story line as you say, but yes I did expect the same people who brought us TLOU 1 to give us a decent story.
Here is how I would make the story:
-Joel and Abby had been friends for 4 years and Joel had already trusted Abby. Abby's reason to befriend Joel was so that she could gain his trust. So then, Abby finally kills Joel. (It makes more sense then just Joel saving Abby and then telling her his name a minute later)
-The players are given the option to either go to Santa Barbara and hunt down Abby or stay in the house. (if you stay in the house, Dina and JJ would stay with you and would not leave you)
-During the beach fight, the players are given the option to either: kill Abby and spare Lev, kill Lev and spare Abby, kill both Abby and Lev or spare both Abby and Lev.
-The game gave you the option to either spare Mel and Owen or kill Mel and Owen. (If you kill Mel and Owen, Abby would go to the theater and kill Dina, she would also cut her pregnant stomach, so JJ is dead.) (If you spare Mel and Owen Abby would NEVER enter the theater)
This sucks
@@milkyway9003 How? it makes more sense then the game we got
@@Gnhmnh doesn't mean it's better. Last of us never had choices why would they do it in part 2. Abby lives in seattle would be to far, so you're gonna change the entire story. The game is already good
@@Gnhmnh Yeah, I prefer what you wrote to what we got.
I played the first game after watching the show and loved it! I couldn’t believe how closely the series followed the game.
I was hesitant to play part 2 because I wasn’t sure if I wanted to know what was coming in season 2 of the show but I decided to play it regardless.
I’d heard from a few people about how divisive the game was but I didn’t know why, and luckily managed to avoid spoilers. That said, I had my suspicions about what was to come.
I loved it! Of course I can see why people were upset and I think you covered pretty much everything in this video, but as upsetting as it was to see Joel die, and at the hands of a character you control, I thought it was a natural path for the story. Like Ellie says in the game, “Joel crossed a lot of people.”
I thought the gameplay was outstanding, the visuals were superb, the story was one of the best I’ve known in a game, and the whole thing was so immersive that I felt like I was in a movie.
My only real criticism is that I was left feeling a bit cold by the ending. I get it of course, no one wins, even after exacting their revenge. Still, I finished the game and kind of sat there in silence for a few minutes trying to process everything. Despite my numbness though, it seemed a fitting ending to the story and I’m glad Ellie showed compassion in those final moments.
To sum up, I loved it but it took its role on me emotionally. But I guess that’s the point.
The cold empty feeling is exactly how I felt too, but that’s exactly what I want from a story like this, something emotionally challenging that really provokes thought in me about my own life etc. when a story makes you feel this way it is an incredibly well written story, I would urge you not to use that as a criticism because imo it should be the opposite.
Problem is the story’s writing. I figured Joel would die but at the start of the game was not smart. You wanted to see Ellie learn the truth and you do but the flash backs just don’t fit. Other than that gameplay and effects great but it’s to much of the same killing stealth gameplay. Abbys side characters are also pointless and you just don’t care.
Exactly.
How don't the flashbacks fit? They made sense to me? The stealth gameplay is a vast improvement on the original game in giving you options on how to get through an area. First time through I made the mistake of playing Ellie and Abby the same way. Ellie is designed to be stealthy, Abby is designed to be a tank. Second time through I played Abby much more aggressively and had a blast. It made a massive difference. The side characters matter to Abby which made them matter to me when I was playing as her because I was invested in her character.
I am curious to know why do you feel that flash backs just don’t fit.
You, ma’am, are full of shit
The Last of us that everyon wanted 👍👇
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The actual reason: remember when this game was about a girl’s immunity and the fate of what’s left of humanity? Now that’s just a minor subplot
well they mentioned that abby’s dad was the only one who knew how to make the cure and he’s dead so the story had to move on
Exactly Ellies immunity took a backseat to lesbian love, macho strong women, and saving trans kids 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@Kennethwells7594 so you would rather have them repeat the same storyline of joel and ellie travelling across the country to another group to find the cure? why not just replay the first game. we already know joel and ellies relation. this was the natural progression
@@CamilaCabeyo I thought the exact same. I think it would be boring to do the same formula again.
@@CamilaCabeyo No, I personally felt that they could have had a completely different story with Abby that didn’t need Joel or Ellie at all. Just like how some games like Dying Light 2 didn’t have the main character from its prequel.
I felt that the story fell really short compared to TLOU that I can write paragraphs of criticism about.
I came to this game late. I never played part 1 so I had no particular attachment to any of the characters. I admit I was not happy when I was forced to play as Abbey and I actually quit playing the game for a few weeks. I decided to give it a chance and I'm glad I did. The game is truly depressing but it allowed me to see that I really didn't like the Ellie character at the end. Her threatening to kill Lev in order to get Abbey to fight was despicable. I was glad to see Ellie end up alone at the end. I will give Naughty Dog credit for creating a game that actually made me feel one way or another about the characters. I don't think I've ever played a game where I felt anything about the characters. This game was also super intense in some of the boss battles. I am definitely in the camp of those that didn't hate the game, and I certainly didn't love the Ellie character either. During the final fight I was playing as Ellie but wishing there was a way to let Abbey win.
wait there are actually people who played part 2 before 1 💀
I actually loved playing Abbey. Joel's a dick lol
No really though it's exactly like this guy said in the video. There's no villain it's just a world where it's cruel and you do what you have to to survive
Anyone who plays part 2 alone will probably agree with you.
But at the end she did let Lev live. You never played part 1 and yet you have all this hate for Ellie's character lol... And when someone goes down the path as to tell me that Abby only went after one person as opposed to Ellie going after all. Ellie only went after those characters for info of Abbey's whereabouts. She would've let them go but of course they had to try and attack at last minute after giving up information... Ellie was justified.
I think the analysis of why some people hate the game is mostly correct but the issue for me wasn't that Joel died, it was the manner it happen. The uncharacteristic decisions he made and so forth.
I feel like if a game can invoke you to cry, get mad at a charecter, make you uncomfortable, it's a good game. It takes a special kind of writing to make you cry over someone not real ya know?
yeahh like imagine how boring of a story it WOULD have been if it turned out as everyone expected just killing zombies and calling it a day no one died
That’s with every game but this game did an effective but shit job at it. You’re meant to a hate a character in a game, not the game itself because of the character. You know why this is in TLOU2? Because they make you play as Abby. A person so poorly written that kills Joel just to say “oh, women are more powerful than men”. This game’s story is a horse’s ass and a bad horse. Why doesn’t Ellie kill Abby when she could drown her? Why did Ellie not kill Abby when she was walking through the door to see her killing Joel? This is the bad part of the story, YOU DONT LIKE ANYONE. Not Ellie, not Abby, not anyone. How do you like a game where the protagonist is unlikeable, the story has so much plot holes, where the developers destroy the entire story just to prove that revenge is bad, all because you got sad or mad? Fuck this game!
Oh by the way, Tess in TLOU1 was originally meant to be a side character helping Joel and Ellie with a revenge mission just like what happens in TLOU2. But they rejected that idea because they realized a post-apocalyptic revenge quest is too unrealistic. Funny, right? This proves the developers did destroy their own story.
I'm sorry people cry when watching movies, TV shows, reading story books, etc. Not the same here, dear!
@@Pheonix66256 you're complelty entitled to feel that way! I'm sorry you didnt really connect nor like how it turned out, and I hope you can find a game that you enjoy! :D
@@charmedcharmed3511 people cry over so so many things, videogames being one of many! No shame in feeling emotions :)