Frank was my hood friend and mentor. He taught me to fight better shoot Better stab better train better and most important think better. Words of a great man Frank was good at being a man. And he was. Miss you brother.
Kevin I’m still processing that he passed so quickly after this interview. His friends all tell me this captured the essence of Frank’s outlook on life and how to live it. Sorry for your loss.
@@Prot3ctMedia it was a great interview. He and i spoke before he did interview he was unsure about doing it. But so glad he did cause his crew can visit him on here. Frank lives on in the knowledge he gave all of us. He s now one of the 10,000 hands. Thanks Tim
Its always great to listen to “old timers” One thing we can teach the young guys is: How to survive to be an old guy... The lessons are invaluable and you learn at the feet of an older guy Listen And survive Keep on keeping on Heads up Eyes open No fear
A lot of us “old timers” are the old school craftsmen that fashion useful “tools” to use Thing is, us in our 60’s etc never had technology to aid us To get to a waypoint we had to use a map and compass in all weather and at night. There were no GPS To take down sentries at night you had to rely on stealth, skill and enough training to get it right- there were no night vision capabilities Most times carrying the 7,62 FN FAL you were carrying around 120 rounds with 5 water bottles (no filters to purify anything) and water tabs that tasted so bad you rather drank the water without it Food? 14 day mission with 3-5 days rat packs. Boom sticks, ammo, water and other essentials to stay alive took up space. Slept under the stars in a poncho. No sleep system If it was cold, one poncho on the ground and you slept back to back with your buddy under the other poncho Was not easy But these were guys that could do the 2,4 km fitness tests in boots, rifle and skeleton gear in 7-8 minutes average And hike 52 hours to engage without sleep Tough as nails But a forgotten generation A generation that is taunted in ques or shops by the younger because they are too slow - from too many injuries that catch up with you when you older Or swear at you when you fumble and drop your card or money - from neck and spine injuries from falling off cliffs and trucks being blown up A forgotten generation That has fought for the right and freedom of those behind us in the generations So what can we teach the younger? Just how to survive and get older...... Our training motto was : -train hard, fight easy! -dont train untill you get it right, train untill you cant get it wrong! Whats yours.....??? Most of us dont have channels so people can learn, or not Be grateful, or not Accept the advice, or sneer at experience In my 60’s, my advice is : Listen to Tim He has great advice Loads of experience if you know his story And can help you up your chances of survival Wish we had a Tim in the 70’s and 80’s when it was up close, personal and brutal We may not have had to bury so many of our brothers Wise words from a wise man Listen to Tim It may be your only chance
I was always a fan of the Fairbairn Sykes dagger as the ultimate combat knife. And I am pleased to hear someone who understands the importance of thrusting as I do. As it was explained to me, slashes are defensive in nature. Slashing with a knife is like suppressive fire with a gun, it is used to deny area and allow you to move, or to place your opponent on the defense. Slashes are used to create opportunities, but thrusting attacks are how you exploit those opportunities. Slashes are usually done in an arc, so they cover a wide area, but the quickest way between two points is a straight line, so linear thrusting attacks are the quickest way to take advantage of an opening a do fight stopping damage.
I am interested in and have always have wanted to ask a knife expert is why the stilletto, Fairburn Sykes type blade came and went, it does not seem relevant in the modern combatives, miltiary, self defence arena any longer, is this correct and if so, what where / are the issues of this blade design over what has replaced it?
Also wondered about the single edged spear point blade. Granted, this a close quarters quick accessible knife not a combat knife. Does a single edge determine the fighting style? Always liked the Gerber Mark I. Then, the non-professional operator pick sharpened point screwdriver brings back urban memories.
@@johannsmithe2570 What I was thinking is what was said, the fatal damage is done through thrust based technique, stabbing, something the Fairburn Sykes / Stilleto and as you said, common screwdriver are made for but if you look at the loadout of CQB professionals on the news etc, the knives carried are more like the Kabar, slashing type as apposed to puncturing tools like the Stilleto. There seems to be a reason the stilletto type blade is not the prefered blade, I just can't figure out why.
@@CoenradJMorgan Perhaps, as Frank Windle said "Targeting under pressure." It takes skill and practice to thrust in a fight. Similiar to a fist street fight people will wildly swing than aim for the carotid artery, temple or eye.
They didn't went, they are just not p.c. enough to be present on the market in large numbers. These dagger-shaped blades have very few but very clear functions. Nowadays millitary knives are more multipurpose tools and in civil use bushcraft knives sell better.
There's your answer, b apro's comment above. ... and, straight to the point (pun intended). The Fairbiarn/Sykes is a dagger blade tip. The multi-use master of none Ka-Bar is a clip point tip mostly if not drop point. Probably why Windle's blade is a single edge spear blade, for extra strength. The knife design is part of the overall 'system' discussed in the video.
Great info! I’d like to ask you to talk about blade length. 4 inch, 5 inch, 6 inch, etc. What does a different blade length represent. Let’s say I can carry from 3 to 5 inch. What should I go with and why? Thank you!
@@madisondaniel3061 That’s exactly what I was thinking, it’s just all of the modern self defense fix blades created by navy seals, spec ops and other military dudes are all 2 to 4 inches. They all emphasized on thrusting as more important than slashing but none of their blades have guards. The only blades that I found that make sense is from Lotar Combat, models Sicari and Beaufort. Sicari is advertised as 4” blade 8” overall and Beaufort advertised as 5.4” blade 10” overall. But Beaufort is serrated and I don’t like that. If you watch a lot of true crime investigations shows from Investigation Discovery, you know that a lot of times they find a stabber by his own blood, because grip can deteriorate during an altercation and fingers slip onto a blade. Also upon research of historical and modern blade combat I concluded that guards are necessary for a stabbing weapon. And all of a sudden all of these current fighting blades have no finger guards and some even look like fancy paring knives. By looking at the entire current defensive knife comeback is making me split between which tool is for a real purpose and which is a marketing marvel. Like I mentioned earlier, the only one that truly makes sense to me is Lotar Combat, Sicari.
I don't waste too much time fussing over knives, as local laws dictate what you will carry. In my town, we are allowed a three inch blade maximum. But my State is a Constitutional Carry state in which you don't need a permit to carry a concealed firearm. So, to sum up, you can legally carry a loaded .44 magnum concealed--but any knife you carry that is over three inches blade length can get you a jail sentence. Go figure.
Tim, Everything apart. In my opinion the thing that makes you win or lose is the amount of consideration that one denotes to one’s body , makes you win or lose the fight. The best fighter usually is the one who is just considering how he can hurt his opponent, without much thinking about what he could do to you. Now very few people will agree with me on this ; but when I come across a martial arts school putting heavy stress on defensive techniques, I straight away reject it. In my country the special forces only take those soldiers who when fighting are more into their opponents than defending themselves. Believe me the athleticism and body strength are considered secondary. In my personal experience: when the stakes are very high, the man who like a pit bull attacks his opponent with religious sincerity without considering the damage he sustains wins. Perhaps this is the reason that a pit bull wins over much bigger dogs. Please respond.
I am one of the few that agrees with you, defense just delays the inevitable. What has been proven in combat validates an offensive mind set. Now, in civilian applications the most important thing is to know how to discern social vs asocial , failing to tell the difference gets you killed or put in jail.
If you look at it closely it has a finger choil or guard built in. That along with the "gimping" or the small notches filed in to the spine and the thickness of the handle should keep your hand in the proper place.
Heads up, I'm definately not a knife fighter or, someone who knows jack about anything. Perhaps the front finger choil will help prevent hand slippage somewhat with a wet hand or the blade hitting a hard surface like a bone. The rear plummet 'choil' is deeper. Can't tell with the knife backlit but the belly, between the two choils, may be contoured to fit into the palm of the hand. The handle material, i.e. micarta, and texture, grooves, would be helpful. Frank's handle appears scalloped. The gimping other than giving a sense of where the top blade spline is, wonder why its there. This is not a bushcraft knife. Also, why not a double edge siletto blade? He did say he prefers a flat grind. Didn't mention if it was a scandi edge. Where's the knife's balance point? What is his opinion on blood grooves, diamond blade section to keep the wound from closing (similiar to a round shank screwdriver). Like the centered spear point. Assume the knife is full tang. Folding knives are user dangerous, fight or no flight. All the above is mute since Mr. Windle's knifes are made for operators, people who know what they're doing not beginners. So, slippage may not be a top issue. Plus, this talk is about knife fighting not knife anatomy. P.s. Look at Morakniv knifes. There's the traditional design for users who grew up with knifes and then there's the more recent novice design for slippage.
Looking forward to the rest,,just FYI UA-cam has age verified the mindset for a gunfight vid, wanting I'd or a cc so looks like their starting on you Tim
Yes. Exactly described my problem with most bjj schools and why I don’t fit in. They rarely drill for shit, and if you go in with a rigorous drill mentality they look at you like you’re an asshole. They need to get away from the groovy stoner culture if they’re ever going to be on a level with wrestling.
I just carry a $2 folding knife from Walmart, clipped in my pocket. It takes 3 seconds to get it out and ready to use. It's cheap and only a 3.5" blade that's mostly serrated but it can do some damage. I can easily put it through cardboard without it folding in on me, which is more resistant than skin. It's less imposing than a straight knife, and is not as noticeable to a potential attacker.
@@tatumergo3931 ooh ooh its like a game show! Ok ok let's see, do I get a life line? Wait wait I can do this..focus..ok I'll go with "It doesn't matter who said that because I'm not that stupid" Final answer! What do I win? Dang i knew I should have answered in the form of a question... Anyway thanks for playing..
@@tatumergo3931 Yeah I've seen it and it was good, as is most of Mr. Larkin's content. And I knew the answer you were looking for. But even before watching that video I knew better. Anyway I was being cheeky because I didn't really get what your comment had to do with my reply to the o.p. about needing backups for when his cheap knife broke.
Whish the older guys that are jacked with big arms and chest admit to using growth hormones or roids. Our testosterone starts dropping in our 30's. So when u see people like the rock u should have no doubt he's juicing.
He was only 47 yo when he passed away from COVID, what a loss... People please be COVID safe. There's no point in training ourselves from violence when we dont take the basic COVID precautions and succumb to the virus. Sad thing is that Frank seemed to be a fairly healthy man. RIP
Frank was my hood friend and mentor. He taught me to fight better shoot
Better stab better train better and most important think better. Words of a great man Frank was good at being a man. And he was. Miss you brother.
Kevin I’m still processing that he passed so quickly after this interview. His friends all tell me this captured the essence of Frank’s outlook on life and how to live it. Sorry for your loss.
@@Prot3ctMedia it was a great interview. He and i spoke before he did interview he was unsure about doing it. But so glad he did cause his crew can visit him on here.
Frank lives on in the knowledge he gave all of us. He s now one of the 10,000 hands. Thanks Tim
Every interview so far has been excellent
Another great guest and interview with info and insight not available anywhere else......MUCH THANKS!!
Tim and Frank, thank you. Kudos!
Hey y'all. Thanks for doing this.
Thank you Tim, I really appreciate your generosity and your "no BS" style to deliver your content.
Fascinating. Many thanks.
Its always great to listen to “old timers”
One thing we can teach the young guys is:
How to survive to be an old guy...
The lessons are invaluable and you learn at the feet of an older guy
Listen
And survive
Keep on keeping on
Heads up
Eyes open
No fear
A lot of us “old timers” are the old school craftsmen that fashion useful “tools” to use
Thing is, us in our 60’s etc never had technology to aid us
To get to a waypoint we had to use a map and compass in all weather and at night. There were no GPS
To take down sentries at night you had to rely on stealth, skill and enough training to get it right- there were no night vision capabilities
Most times carrying the 7,62 FN FAL you were carrying around 120 rounds with 5 water bottles (no filters to purify anything) and water tabs that tasted so bad you rather drank the water without it
Food?
14 day mission with 3-5 days rat packs. Boom sticks, ammo, water and other essentials to stay alive took up space.
Slept under the stars in a poncho. No sleep system
If it was cold, one poncho on the ground and you slept back to back with your buddy under the other poncho
Was not easy
But these were guys that could do the 2,4 km fitness tests in boots, rifle and skeleton gear in 7-8 minutes average
And hike 52 hours to engage without sleep
Tough as nails
But a forgotten generation
A generation that is taunted in ques or shops by the younger because they are too slow - from too many injuries that catch up with you when you older
Or swear at you when you fumble and drop your card or money - from neck and spine injuries from falling off cliffs and trucks being blown up
A forgotten generation
That has fought for the right and freedom of those behind us in the generations
So what can we teach the younger?
Just how to survive and get older......
Our training motto was :
-train hard, fight easy!
-dont train untill you get it right, train untill you cant get it wrong!
Whats yours.....???
Most of us dont have channels so people can learn, or not
Be grateful, or not
Accept the advice, or sneer at experience
In my 60’s, my advice is :
Listen to Tim
He has great advice
Loads of experience if you know his story
And can help you up your chances of survival
Wish we had a Tim in the 70’s and 80’s when it was up close, personal and brutal
We may not have had to bury so many of our brothers
Wise words from a wise man
Listen to Tim
It may be your only chance
outstanding thankss
good stuff thanks for doing this !!!
I was always a fan of the Fairbairn Sykes dagger as the ultimate combat knife. And I am pleased to hear someone who understands the importance of thrusting as I do. As it was explained to me, slashes are defensive in nature. Slashing with a knife is like suppressive fire with a gun, it is used to deny area and allow you to move, or to place your opponent on the defense. Slashes are used to create opportunities, but thrusting attacks are how you exploit those opportunities. Slashes are usually done in an arc, so they cover a wide area, but the quickest way between two points is a straight line, so linear thrusting attacks are the quickest way to take advantage of an opening a do fight stopping damage.
Well elicited interview with good information, thanks
Exceptional man!
I am interested in and have always have wanted to ask a knife expert is why the stilletto, Fairburn Sykes type blade came and went, it does not seem relevant in the modern combatives, miltiary, self defence arena any longer, is this correct and if so, what where / are the issues of this blade design over what has replaced it?
Also wondered about the single edged spear point blade.
Granted, this a close quarters quick accessible knife not a combat knife.
Does a single edge determine the fighting style?
Always liked the Gerber Mark I.
Then, the non-professional operator pick sharpened point screwdriver brings back urban memories.
@@johannsmithe2570 What I was thinking is what was said, the fatal damage is done through thrust based technique, stabbing, something the Fairburn Sykes / Stilleto and as you said, common screwdriver are made for but if you look at the loadout of CQB professionals on the news etc, the knives carried are more like the Kabar, slashing type as apposed to puncturing tools like the Stilleto. There seems to be a reason the stilletto type blade is not the prefered blade, I just can't figure out why.
@@CoenradJMorgan
Perhaps, as Frank Windle said
"Targeting under pressure."
It takes skill and practice to thrust in a fight.
Similiar to a fist street fight people will wildly swing than aim for the carotid artery, temple or eye.
They didn't went, they are just not p.c. enough to be present on the market in large numbers. These dagger-shaped blades have very few but very clear functions. Nowadays millitary knives are more multipurpose tools and in civil use bushcraft knives sell better.
There's your answer, b apro's comment above.
... and, straight to the point (pun intended).
The Fairbiarn/Sykes is a dagger blade tip. The multi-use master of none Ka-Bar is a clip point tip mostly if not drop point. Probably why Windle's blade is a single edge spear blade, for extra strength.
The knife design is part of the overall 'system' discussed in the video.
Good stuff. I like his thoughts on edged weapons design. Thanks for the upload.
Yes! I fully agree; you CAN learn to "target" under pressure. Great video.
Great info! I’d like to ask you to talk about blade length. 4 inch, 5 inch, 6 inch, etc. What does a different blade length represent. Let’s say I can carry from 3 to 5 inch. What should I go with and why? Thank you!
you should go with 5 inches. Because that's another 2 inches of damage done to tissue.
@@madisondaniel3061
That’s exactly what I was thinking, it’s just all of the modern self defense fix blades created by navy seals, spec ops and other military dudes are all 2 to 4 inches. They all emphasized on thrusting as more important than slashing but none of their blades have guards. The only blades that I found that make sense is from Lotar Combat, models Sicari and Beaufort. Sicari is advertised as 4” blade 8” overall and Beaufort advertised as 5.4” blade 10” overall. But Beaufort is serrated and I don’t like that. If you watch a lot of true crime investigations shows from Investigation Discovery, you know that a lot of times they find a stabber by his own blood, because grip can deteriorate during an altercation and fingers slip onto a blade. Also upon research of historical and modern blade combat I concluded that guards are necessary for a stabbing weapon. And all of a sudden all of these current fighting blades have no finger guards and some even look like fancy paring knives.
By looking at the entire current defensive knife comeback is making me split between which tool is for a real purpose and which is a marketing marvel. Like I mentioned earlier, the only one that truly makes sense to me is Lotar Combat, Sicari.
Cant imagine someone not liking this video.
I don't waste too much time fussing over knives, as local laws dictate what you will carry. In my town, we are allowed a three inch blade maximum. But my State is a Constitutional Carry state in which you don't need a permit to carry a concealed firearm. So, to sum up, you can legally carry a loaded .44 magnum concealed--but any knife you carry that is over three inches blade length can get you a jail sentence.
Go figure.
3 inches is actually more than you even need. People are starting to catch onto that, and this guy's blades are probably all close to 3.
@@Almosteasyese Definitely worth having a look. Thanks.
Are there any popular, reasonably priced products on the market that meet Mr. Windle's minimum standards?
Windle's obituary says he died from an illness, not a knife wound or anything else violent.
Tim, Everything apart. In my opinion the thing that makes you win or lose is the amount of consideration that one denotes to one’s body , makes you win or lose the fight. The best fighter usually is the one who is just considering how he can hurt his opponent, without much thinking about what he could do to you. Now very few people will agree with me on this ; but when I come across a martial arts school putting heavy stress on defensive techniques, I straight away reject it. In my country the special forces only take those soldiers who when fighting are more into their opponents than defending themselves. Believe me the athleticism and body strength are considered secondary. In my personal experience: when the stakes are very high, the man who like a pit bull attacks his opponent with religious sincerity without considering the damage he sustains wins. Perhaps this is the reason that a pit bull wins over much bigger dogs. Please respond.
I am one of the few that agrees with you, defense just delays the inevitable.
What has been proven in combat validates an offensive mind set.
Now, in civilian applications the most important thing is to know how to discern social vs asocial , failing to tell the difference gets you killed or put in jail.
with regard to the blade demonstrated, why would the hand not slide forward, onto the blade, during a thrust?
If you look at it closely it has a finger choil or guard built in. That along with the "gimping" or the small notches filed in to the spine and the thickness of the handle should keep your hand in the proper place.
Heads up, I'm definately not a knife fighter or, someone who knows jack about anything.
Perhaps the front finger choil will help prevent hand slippage somewhat with a wet hand or the blade hitting a hard surface like a bone. The rear plummet 'choil' is deeper. Can't tell with the knife backlit but the belly, between the two choils, may be contoured to fit into the palm of the hand.
The handle material, i.e. micarta, and texture, grooves, would be helpful. Frank's handle appears scalloped.
The gimping other than giving a sense of where the top blade spline is, wonder why its there. This is not a bushcraft knife.
Also, why not a double edge siletto blade? He did say he prefers a flat grind. Didn't mention if it was a scandi edge. Where's the knife's balance point?
What is his opinion on blood grooves, diamond blade section to keep the wound from closing (similiar to a round shank screwdriver). Like the centered spear point. Assume the knife is full tang. Folding knives are user dangerous, fight or no flight.
All the above is mute since Mr. Windle's knifes are made for operators, people who know what they're doing not beginners. So, slippage may not be a top issue.
Plus, this talk is about knife fighting not knife anatomy.
P.s. Look at Morakniv knifes. There's the traditional design for users who grew up with knifes and then there's the more recent novice design for slippage.
Looking forward to the rest,,just FYI UA-cam has age verified the mindset for a gunfight vid, wanting I'd or a cc so looks like their starting on you Tim
Yes. Exactly described my problem with most bjj schools and why I don’t fit in. They rarely drill for shit, and if you go in with a rigorous drill mentality they look at you like you’re an asshole. They need to get away from the groovy stoner culture if they’re ever going to be on a level with wrestling.
I just carry a $2 folding knife from Walmart, clipped in my pocket. It takes 3 seconds to get it out and ready to use. It's cheap and only a 3.5" blade that's mostly serrated but it can do some damage. I can easily put it through cardboard without it folding in on me, which is more resistant than skin.
It's less imposing than a straight knife, and is not as noticeable to a potential attacker.
Probably should have a couple of backups for when it breaks.
@@tatumergo3931 ooh ooh its like a game show! Ok ok let's see, do I get a life line? Wait wait I can do this..focus..ok I'll go with "It doesn't matter who said that because I'm not that stupid" Final answer! What do I win? Dang i knew I should have answered in the form of a question... Anyway thanks for playing..
@@tatumergo3931 Yeah I've seen it and it was good, as is most of Mr. Larkin's content. And I knew the answer you were looking for. But even before watching that video I knew better.
Anyway I was being cheeky because I didn't really get what your comment had to do with my reply to the o.p. about needing backups for when his cheap knife broke.
Whish the older guys that are jacked with big arms and chest admit to using growth hormones or roids. Our testosterone starts dropping in our 30's. So when u see people like the rock u should have no doubt he's juicing.
@@canadafree2087 yes I also eat meat and run goat farm and Im same age as Dwayne Johnson and we don't have same body structure lol
O dear .
From the empathetic vegan .
Get Paul Vunak on here!
He was only 47 yo when he passed away from COVID, what a loss...
People please be COVID safe. There's no point in training ourselves from violence when we dont take the basic COVID precautions and succumb to the virus. Sad thing is that Frank seemed to be a fairly healthy man. RIP
He died of a heart issue after covid. It was most likely a contributing factor but covid alone did not kill him