Great call to include Kevin Rudd. I am not a fan of Kevin Rudd. He consistently strikes me as a "China-expert" who ultimately just toes the anti-China neocon line. If one were to look at former Australian PM's, I much prefer Paul Keating's more reasonable positions on China.
Thank you Prof. Hsu and Bohan Lou for a great discussion. Regarding the quality of Chinese EVs one just needs to reach the CEO of Ford's recent discussion of Chinese EVs after he visited China. Very illuminating. 22:06 I have the personal opinion that the ill-conceived aggressive "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy was to a certain extent a reflection of Xi Jinping's political maneuvering to separate himself from the recent Chinese leaders in order to support his case for remaining in power beyond the two-term limit. He had to show himself and his policies as sufficiently different from Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao to justify breaking the term limits. Thankfully, Xi has tacitly acknowledged that the wolf warrior style of diplomacy was not serving China's best interest and has since reversed course and adopted a more traditional diplomatic approach.
Your understanding of Chinese politics here is quite shallow. The term 'Wolf Warrior' diplomacy was coined by the West; China itself does not have such a diplomacy policy. As Western accusations become more aggressive and absurd, what do you think is the appropriate way for China to respond? Xi Jinping made his stance clear at the beginning of his first term, focusing on eradicating corruption within the bureaucratic system. Mass corruption was an issue that developed and remained unresolved during the Jiang and Hu eras.
@@baruchlev2658 Thanks for your comments. Of course I'm using the western coined phrase "wolf warrior", as this is an English speaking forum. Even Chinese people in China refer to 战狼外交 amongst themselves. The South China Morning Post (widely acknowledged as the English language media outlet of the CPC) has the following headline dated 26 July 2023: "Chinese foreign minister exit: no change to Wolf Warrior diplomacy as Wang Yi replaces Qin Gang, but there is hope of policy stability". So clearly, even the CPC acknowledges wolf warrior diplomacy. Even such esteemed diplomats as Former Ambassador Chas A. Freeman (please look up his credentials if you are not familiar with him) has stated in numerous discussions that the aggressive diplomacy undertaken for a time under Xi Jingping was a mistake for China and resulted in pushback from other countries. The appropriate way for Xi Jinping to respond was NOT to implement such overly confrontational diplomacy, but to act as Chinese diplomats are acting NOW--firmly and resolutely stating Chinese positions, but in a more restrained manner. The fact that China has moderated the style of its diplomacy back to its more traditional style is clearly an acknowledgement that its experiment with very aggressive diplomacy was not achieving its foreign policy goals. Of course Xi Jinping has publicly made it a top priority to curb corruption, but my comments are focusing on foreign diplomacy, not corruption.
@@davidk6269 Why do you agree with the view that SCMP is a CPC media outlet? Come on, you can do better than that. I expected a higher level of critical thinking from those educated in the West. Since SCMP is in English, it often reflects Anglo-Saxon viewpoints or uses terms that resonate with English-speaking audiences. When their articles don’t align with those viewpoints, it could be because they are presenting reality or encouraging the West to consider China’s perspective. Does that make it pro-CPC?
@@baruchlev2658 It is widely accepted that the SCMP represents the message that the CPC wants the west to hear. That is actually the VALUE of having SCMP--it allows the CPC to signal to the western English speaking world (and the world outside China in general) its message. It is intentional. By the way, I have lived and worked for many years in both China and the US. I still have lots of family in China and my son was born in Beijing.
@@baruchlev2658 You seem to have not understood the value of the SCMP to the CPC. It is valuable for the CPC to have an English language outlet that will present its arguments to the non-Chinese speaking world in order to try and counter the US/Collective West's anti-China narrative. You naively seem to think that the SCMP being pro-CPC is a negative. Many people read the SCMP because they want to get a better feel for the CPC's position on various issues because they understand that if the SCMP is publishing something on an important topic to the CPC that it very likely it is representative of the CPC stance.
Credential shaming is the wrong approach, judging the individuals that make up the US govt just on the merit of their argument is enough. The biggest movers in tech in the US dropped out, many in finance studied conpletely unrelated things etc. Technical knowledge is good for society collectively but theres many project manager type roles and especially public sector roles where its a waste. If the US pivoted away from humanities toward STEM there'd just be a bunch of people jobless, which is what is happening with CS now
both of you should think about what could happen if China goes to war with yankistan. don't forget the japanese internment camps in ww2 and the china exclusion act wasn't repealed till 1965. if you think the country is different, think twice
@@wuhuiacademics yes. Even Chinese engineers in Pakistan have been targeted in certain attacks. I think average people more broadly will be OK, maybe those with ethnic or other connections to China in pivotal positions might want to think twice about their options.
Need more of this kind of content not something i come across regularly
Thanks for the insights again Steve!
another great episode
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Another guy I add to the list is Kevin Rudd.
doesn't Kevin Rudd speak fluent Mandarin?
Great call to include Kevin Rudd. I am not a fan of Kevin Rudd. He consistently strikes me as a "China-expert" who ultimately just toes the anti-China neocon line. If one were to look at former Australian PM's, I much prefer Paul Keating's more reasonable positions on China.
You say “you FI” more than I would like but, then again, I am probably a FI.
Thank you Prof. Hsu and Bohan Lou for a great discussion. Regarding the quality of Chinese EVs one just needs to reach the CEO of Ford's recent discussion of Chinese EVs after he visited China. Very illuminating. 22:06 I have the personal opinion that the ill-conceived aggressive "Wolf Warrior" diplomacy was to a certain extent a reflection of Xi Jinping's political maneuvering to separate himself from the recent Chinese leaders in order to support his case for remaining in power beyond the two-term limit. He had to show himself and his policies as sufficiently different from Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao to justify breaking the term limits. Thankfully, Xi has tacitly acknowledged that the wolf warrior style of diplomacy was not serving China's best interest and has since reversed course and adopted a more traditional diplomatic approach.
Your understanding of Chinese politics here is quite shallow. The term 'Wolf Warrior' diplomacy was coined by the West; China itself does not have such a diplomacy policy. As Western accusations become more aggressive and absurd, what do you think is the appropriate way for China to respond? Xi Jinping made his stance clear at the beginning of his first term, focusing on eradicating corruption within the bureaucratic system. Mass corruption was an issue that developed and remained unresolved during the Jiang and Hu eras.
@@baruchlev2658 Thanks for your comments. Of course I'm using the western coined phrase "wolf warrior", as this is an English speaking forum. Even Chinese people in China refer to 战狼外交 amongst themselves. The South China Morning Post (widely acknowledged as the English language media outlet of the CPC) has the following headline dated 26 July 2023: "Chinese foreign minister exit: no change to Wolf Warrior diplomacy as Wang Yi replaces Qin Gang, but there is hope of policy stability". So clearly, even the CPC acknowledges wolf warrior diplomacy. Even such esteemed diplomats as Former Ambassador Chas A. Freeman (please look up his credentials if you are not familiar with him) has stated in numerous discussions that the aggressive diplomacy undertaken for a time under Xi Jingping was a mistake for China and resulted in pushback from other countries. The appropriate way for Xi Jinping to respond was NOT to implement such overly confrontational diplomacy, but to act as Chinese diplomats are acting NOW--firmly and resolutely stating Chinese positions, but in a more restrained manner. The fact that China has moderated the style of its diplomacy back to its more traditional style is clearly an acknowledgement that its experiment with very aggressive diplomacy was not achieving its foreign policy goals. Of course Xi Jinping has publicly made it a top priority to curb corruption, but my comments are focusing on foreign diplomacy, not corruption.
@@davidk6269 Why do you agree with the view that SCMP is a CPC media outlet? Come on, you can do better than that. I expected a higher level of critical thinking from those educated in the West. Since SCMP is in English, it often reflects Anglo-Saxon viewpoints or uses terms that resonate with English-speaking audiences. When their articles don’t align with those viewpoints, it could be because they are presenting reality or encouraging the West to consider China’s perspective. Does that make it pro-CPC?
@@baruchlev2658 It is widely accepted that the SCMP represents the message that the CPC wants the west to hear. That is actually the VALUE of having SCMP--it allows the CPC to signal to the western English speaking world (and the world outside China in general) its message. It is intentional. By the way, I have lived and worked for many years in both China and the US. I still have lots of family in China and my son was born in Beijing.
@@baruchlev2658 You seem to have not understood the value of the SCMP to the CPC. It is valuable for the CPC to have an English language outlet that will present its arguments to the non-Chinese speaking world in order to try and counter the US/Collective West's anti-China narrative. You naively seem to think that the SCMP being pro-CPC is a negative. Many people read the SCMP because they want to get a better feel for the CPC's position on various issues because they understand that if the SCMP is publishing something on an important topic to the CPC that it very likely it is representative of the CPC stance.
Itd be great if the US prioritized STEM over finance and other service sector jobs unfortunately this will take generations to fix
@1:00:00 I wonder if there’s secret groups making sure to get smart babies…
Credential shaming is the wrong approach, judging the individuals that make up the US govt just on the merit of their argument is enough. The biggest movers in tech in the US dropped out, many in finance studied conpletely unrelated things etc. Technical knowledge is good for society collectively but theres many project manager type roles and especially public sector roles where its a waste. If the US pivoted away from humanities toward STEM there'd just be a bunch of people jobless, which is what is happening with CS now
When are you going to have Eric Weinstein?
both of you should think about what could happen if China goes to war with yankistan. don't forget the japanese internment camps in ww2 and the china exclusion act wasn't repealed till 1965. if you think the country is different, think twice
The next ten years is going to be rough for Chinese academics in US. Get out if you still can
@@wuhuiacademics yes. Even Chinese engineers in Pakistan have been targeted in certain attacks. I think average people more broadly will be OK, maybe those with ethnic or other connections to China in pivotal positions might want to think twice about their options.