Actual conversation: Wife: "What are you watching?" Me: "UA-cam video about shooting." 1 minute silence. Wife: "He needs a new coat. That one is all frayed and the seam is coming undone in the back. Probably because he sits on it." I laughed so hard - I would never have noticed that in a million years. It was the first thing she noticed - she could care less about guns and shooting.
Same video, same monitor, same time, different people and they see different things. Now *THAT* is a kind of diversity we can all benefit from having around. If everyone noticed and didn't noticed the same things, we would all loose out.
I've seen the same method used in answering questions during presentations in the military. "Your question was XXX", gives answer, "Des that answer your question". It's an effective way to make sure everyone is on the same page.
The ability to accurately select at will all the desired items from any garment’s endlessly capacious pockets was a skill particularly ascribed to Harrell, Tempestuous Óðinn’s wiser, calmer elder brother.
Is that a beretta 92 self loading semiautomatic pistol loaded with green and white box 115grain round nose in your pocket... or are you just pleased to see me?
I think after watching all of Paul’s videos to date, I’ve been conditioned to automatically be happy when hearing the intro theme. Thanks for the great content as always!
Hate to hear that for y'all. My area got rocked by Sally. She was a bitch of one and they got what she would do totally wrong. I live in Baldwin county so she went right over the top of us. Thankfully I only lost part of a shed and a lot of trees. Had power out for about a week. So we did lose all our food in the freezer and fridge. Hope you make it out ok.
Paul, paul, paul.. You've been in the game long enough. You've also established a reputation for being one of the only gun guys (if not the only) who knows how to create a detailed, educated, non-biased video for either reviewing or comparing two or more variables (guns, ammunition, and the like). Now, why haven't we seen an in-depth .45 acp vs 9mm comparo? I'm sure everyone would love to see a Paul Harrel approach on this topic i.e. educated, non-biased, and most importantly, non-toxic way of creating content about the comparison! :) Give this a thumbs up if you agree so Paul can see this comment and hopefully consider it!
He has said before that he has no interest in making videos on things that have been done to death by others. I agree with him on this. I really don’t know what revelations you could expect to get from one more comparison. 45 has more recoil, makes bigger holes, and the guns generally have lower capacity. 9 has less recoil, makes smaller holes, and the guns generally have higher capacity. There’s your comparison. Anything beyond that is something you could infer from that info, or anecdotal.
True he seems fair in his testing. After all he could use a tough steak for the meat target when shooting federal ammo then switch to a pile of raw hamberger when testing green and white box🤔
InRange has done some good stuff over the years using spinner targets as a combined test of impact and recoil disruption. The reality is that you get a big chart of advantages for anything, but everyone is going to score those out differently, so there is no one answer.
@@elgringosupremo I suppose you have a valid point. However, would I be wrong for simply wanting a perspective from Paul Harrel because of his interesting style of presentations and entertaining "part where he talks a lot"? You be the judge.
All I can say is: Thank you sir. Thanks for taking the time to educate me. Thank you for your service, and thanks for continuing to serve. I think its the other way around...Bill Shatner has Harrellesque pauses. Keep up the great work. -- the smitz
Great video, I can't wait to see the halloween special for this year. If its not too late, I remember you mentioning reading books about criminal profiling and statistics. I think that would make a great video. Anyway, thanks for this video!
Always interesting. The last video I watched was Paul cleaning guns. I rank that one a little higher. Why? Because Paul talked more. I did not get my fill of Shatner-like pauses this week.
Fine firearms all! However, I really admire your pair of Remington Nylon 66’s. The Nylon ‘66 brings back great memories. It was truly a rifle way ahead of its time. My only bittersweet memory involving my personal Nylon ‘66 was in trading mine away years ago while a young Marine for partial payment toward a first generation Colt AR rifle. ‘Semper Fi’. Joseph S.,100% Combat-related Disabled Veteran.
Matt Schmitt ... You’re welcome! Obviously, I didn’t pay the greatest price because I am still alive. However, I was virtually bed-ridden for nearly a decade. The God of Scripture along with Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) of Nazareth ultimately healed me and I am now able to enjoy life once again. The decade lost will remain lost. One of the reasons that I support DJT (as compared to the alternatives) is that he has promised to bring the US troops home from Afghanistan by the end-of-the-year. FYI, the war in Afghanistan is NOW our Nation’s longest war! With Osama bin Laden dead, we accomplished the principle purpose in our initial involvement. The lives and limbs lost by our service-members remain a permanent scar. Even if we stayed there 27 years (instead of 17) when we leave... Afghanistan will remain Afghanistan. It has NO impact to the direct security of our Nation, infrastructure, or our people. Politicians from BOTH parties have been complicit! Defend the homeland is DOD’s constitutional charter. Best Regards, Joseph S.
Thank you for your service, and all you have given for everyone, here and abroad. My first was a green Nylon 66 given to me by my dad when he first taught me how to shoot in the '60's. It was stolen from the family farm by a renter we took pity on. Twenty years later, I purchased my own brown 66, which I used to teach my daughter and son to shoot not long ago. It will not be going anywhere. Years after my dad died, my mother decided "it wouldn't be safe" for me to keep firearms as I had children in the house. She gave away his Snub-nosed 38 Police Special, a 22 auto, and other weapons I had been promised. My kids were more knowledgeable and trustworthy around firearms than she ever was!
Clinton R , Thank-you for those kind words! It really means more to me than words can ever express. The Department of Defense (DOD) serves little real purpose were it not for a citizenry that is truly worth protecting, such as yourself! Finally, may you continue to be blessed by the wisdom you have shown in teaching your children respect for tools that can either save lives or take lives. In doing so, you have supported our God-given 2A rights, shown them an enjoyable potential future hobby, and removed the mysticism surrounding forbidden objects. Best regards, Joseph S.
2:29 Before you fire a shot... The answer, in my experience is "Yes, but..." In my collection I have 3 S&W J frame revolvers, all with 1-7/8" barrel, a Model 40, a Model 640 and a Model 642. I also had (now passed on to two sons) two identical Ruger Model 77 RSI rifles in .243 both with 18.5" barrels and I have two Kimber Ultra .45s an Ultra Carry II and an Ultra CDP II, both with 3" barrels. I have 2 identical Colt Officer's Model Match Revolvers both with 6" barrels. I also have 4 .357 revolvers with 4" barrels but they are different makes or models. I have several O/U shotguns but have never tried the chrono test with them, or, for that matter any of my other shotguns. In ALL of them, identical ammunition fired over my PACT Model 1 Chronograph result in different velocity averages...and in the case of the Ruger rifles, one of them shoots consistently "faster" with any load I have tried through them. BUT...the velocity averages, while different, almost always fall within the "extreme spread" of the two guns. Meaning that individual shots from the same gun can, and do, result in variances as great, or greater, than the average difference between two different guns. So...YES, but the difference is negligible, IMO. Back to the video...your J frames had an average velocity difference of 46 fps but extreme spreads of 96 and 84 fps respectively. Your tests with the other guns confirmed that. So your results were consistent with what I have found. Different...BUT negligible.
Me and my mother recently got kinda similar handguns as far as polymer striker fired pistols go and I was actually curious how different our two guns did when it came to the same ammunition. Hers is a glock 17 Gen 5 with 4.49" barrel and my Walther PDP with 4.5" barrel and when it came to anything 115g our results were practically identical at muzzle, very little difference at 7 yards but once we started stepping up the weight of bullet we started seeing significant differences, especially with "nicer" ammunition as far as whatever nicer can define when it's in a fmj. Norma 124g fmj gave me an average of over 60fps increased results yet when we switched to a heavier 147g federal fmj my gun actually LOST around 30-40fps on average which is much more significant since the heavier rounds already produce quite a bit less velocity compared to a 124 or 115. I really wanted to try and see the differences in velocity at a much further rate like 15-25 yards but I'm too damn scared of slamming my chrono with my shaky aim at those distances. What gave us the funniest results were federal classic 147g hollowpoint. It was pretty much pointless to even try comparing because they both were off at such random rates where they would take turns being significantly faster or slower on average. P.S. - Both guns were practically brand new at this point, less that 300 rounds each so any kind of difference in cleaning habits didn't interfere.... But to anyone that isn't bored to tears and reads through this.... Get a chronograph! I seriously can't go to the range without it now... I've become almost obsessed at what each of my rifle rounds do out of them.
The answer is in the difference in metallurgy. Tool steel creates more drag on the projectile than stainless. The chrome mixture in stainless makes for a slicker barrel when compared to the high carbon tool steel. Another variable is tool fatigue. Hammer forged barrels are made on a mandrel. At the end of the life of the mandrel. The rifling, and barrel can be less desirable. A more accurate barrel is made at the beginning of the life of the mandrel. The better definition of rifling allows for the shooter to break in the rifle barrel into a sweet spot where the rifling, and round meet perfectly for better accuracy, or in the case of precision shooting. Where the barrel, and ammunition allows for consistent pressures leading to consistent accuracy.
Much respect for all the knowledge you have I really enjoy mechanical things and I got that passion with firearms unfortunately I was 8 at the time and couldn't interact with them I got into motorcycles and cars instead and am pretty knowledgeable at 19 I hope I can get nearly as knowledgeable about firearms as I am about cars and motorcycles.
Hey Paul! Just wanted to say hi and thanks for all the work you've put in to this channel and community throughout all these years. Hope to see you into the future.
So, I watched this video when it came out in October of 2020, and it popped up in my feed again in April of 2021. Paul has me so well conditioned, that even though I remembered it, I still clicked on it and watched it to the end. Thanks, Paul! It appears your training of us is highly successful. Your video shows up, we click and watch. Where that video is in the list of your videos makes no significant difference at all.
Thank you for another fascinating video exploring a topic of keen interest to us “gun minded” individuals. Paul and his friends have a fantastic collection of firearms.
Paul's videos are always worth the watch if you actually care about interesting facts and questions he's trying to bring clarity to. I can see this having a follow up video breaking down and explaining WHY there can be a difference between different firearms from different manufacturers that are similar in spec but achieving different velocities. In the case of revolvers, I suspect it has a lot to do with the cylinder gap and cylinder length possibly.
Ruger sells pairs of sequential revolvers for cowboy action shooting...but to get a pair simply by accident???????????? Truly a charmed man! Deservedly so, great video as always!
After watching a lot of your videos and hearing you discuss this topic a lot it took me a while to watch this. Such small differences can come from a multitude of different things. As always though, we can rely on you to put it to the test.
Don't mind those that do not speak/read English (American or other), complaining. The ability to communicate effectively through language and opposable thumbs are all that separate us from the poo-flingers.
That range has what we call in the UK "the zombie apocalypse bus." People in the US think of them as school buses, but we mainly see them with spikes on in zombie movies & games.
@@kennydoggins1712 Depends where you are in the country. Where I am at the moment they are lone single-deck smaller coaches due to small population. Where I grew up, a large rural catchment area, they ran a fleet of more than a dozen double-deckers.
Thank you Paul for this very enlightening video. You have answered a question I'm sure many have never thought about but can make a difference when selecting more than one firearm for a common ammunition. Also, I thought your were a very lucky individual when you held up two Remington Nylon 66 rifles, but when you pulled out two Ruger Vaqueros with consecutive serial numbers I realized you were truly blessed by the firearm gods. Take care, stay well and keep bringing us the good information on firearms and ammunition.
Paul, very informative as always. You're the go to guy for...complete information on pretty much anything related to firearms. You are very exacting with your facts and figures. That I appreciate very much.
I spent my teenage years hunting ground squirrels in Northeast Oregon, a couple friends, each with a couple 500 round boxes of .22 ammo and a lot of open ground. Great way to spend a Saturday.
Once again Paul brings us to school - " HEY " he even brought the bus ! The dislikes must be from the ones that didn't see the right length bus for them and FEEL left out .
posted 4 minutes ago and its 17 minutes long and already a down vote... well we know who it is at least and hes prolly trying to look cool with a revolver.
Jerry Mikulek had a video on this topic a while back. His sponsor gave him 2 identical revolvers, both had different muzzle velocities caused by bore diameters within the tolerance limits but on opposite ends of the tolerance limit - ie: one at the lowest acceptable bore diameter and the other at the highest acceptable bore diameter. It was a significant difference in velocity. I will try to go find the video and link to it in an edit to this post asap.
@@rogerwilco99 I believe it was Guns and Ammo years ago that pointed out 9MM started losing velocity in barrels of 16" or longer. That was standard velocity ammo; I might expect that +P would do better since both 357Mag and 44Mag both posted significant increases at that barrel length.
More performance, sure; is there really a debate on that? The cost is weight and maneuverability. A Beretta 92 with a 10” barrel will see higher velocities. Do you want to CC a 10” pistol?
"It's not enough difference to make a difference." Paul Harrell quote of 2020 to save us from violent political chaos. Don't let this year's madness rip us apart. War is hell
Given that the firearms tested are revolvers, is it possible that differences in the amount of cylinder gap provided varying pressures from the same ammunition, giving different velocities?
I appreciate this data as I would not be likely to run such a rigorous evaluation and comparison. Well done! As always Paul, you are a delight to watch. Wish we could find some 9 mm 115 grain Winchester FMJ white box ammo out there somewhere, right? What a time we are living. Thank you!!
One of the most interesting and also surprising videos yet ,Who would have thought that Two different manufacturers seemingly similar weapons would make the differences observed , probably more critical in smaller calibres when any loss of velocity and thus energy is even more significant and may even be critical . Thanks Paul , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
They say to “slug your bore” when hand loading for a new firearm to properly measure the exact bore diameter. Maybe the slight differences in bore diameters are causing the different results? I don’t know, just a thought. I’m new to hand loading and not any kind of expert.
Good if your casting your own bullets and want a perfect fit. If you want to measure exact chamber size. There is a quick melt metal you can use to cast your chamber. www.rotometals.com/chamber-casting-alloy-ingot-aka-low-158-190f/
2.5 moa with my reloads, so not terrible, but not great either. I’m still playing with load development. Right now I’m working with Hornady #3131 and Sierra #2315 174gr bullets. It took several attempts at cleaning the bore when I first got the rifle to get all the copper out of it. If nothing else, it’s just fun to go out and shoot the thing.
Slow barrel vs .Fast barrel. Drives handloaders crazy .I have heard accounts of 2.5 BBl having velocities greater than 4 BBl. with the same ammunition. Great video as always.
Thanks for the vid. I can see how different model revolvers might have different muzzle velocities based on differences in the gap between the cylinder and the bore. It might be interesting to run this type of test between two different semi autos (same caliber, same barrel length), but my guess is that in that scenario, there would be little to no difference in muzzle velocity.
Very interesting test. One specification that was not commented on was the difference in rifling twists for the pistols specifically. Another potential variation while it was not necessarily a huge factor but the variations in the round may be a contributor to the differences.
My theory is tolerances in the gun, if one gun has a better gas seal then the other it could build more pressure to propel the round at a higher velocity and variances in the rounds themselves due to primer burn and power burn. But as always, you be the judge.
I totally agree. If one firearm is shot a lot more than another, it will effect the tightness of the bullet in the barrel as well. A tighter barrel fit may sound like more friction, but more friction is better than some gas escaping around a bullet (too loose for the barrel). I have a Winchester 1873 made in 1888 that always keyholes. My guess is the barrel is way out of tolerance, thus allowing a lot of the gases to escape before the round is out of the barrel. But, it’s still fun to shot something made almost a century and a half ago.
Did Model 36 have significantly more rounds fired through it than Model 638 over its lifetime? I wonder if barrel wear was the key factor that caused the difference.
I absolutely love videos like this. Things I'd have never considered before I get that notification pop up "Paul Harrell has posted a new video." Thanks again for the very informative piece.
I ran statistically rigorous t-tests on your results. Your statistical intuition is on point! In the first test, the difference is statistically significant, the probability of the observed difference being due to pure chance is only 1/4 of a percent (for example picking better rounds by accident). Same in the second test, but even more significant, the p-value came in at roughly a sixth of a percent. None of the last three tests generated significant results, the variation observed is most likely to be due to pure chance. Interestingly enough, I did discover a significant difference in the variance itself between the last two tests. This means that one of the rifles/revolvers shoots with far more consistent speeds than the other one (roughly 60% difference in standard deviation in both tests). This usually happens in manufacturing, when keeping tolerances below a limit, some have tolerance close to the limit, and some have even better tolerances.
This might just be one of the most informative channels out there
This, plus Forgotten Weapons, and Mark Novak's Anvil are some of my favorites.
It’s no might, regardless of what the information is
This and Lucky Gunner have the most informative content. They just don't talk a bunch of crap.
and therapeutic too
It’s really is
Me: I should go to bed.
Paul Harrell: Permission Denied
Program Compliance dictates you must watch this video.
Same except there is a hurricane :/
Right! Lol
Spot on, was getting ready to shut down for the nite, then Paul pops up, dogs can wait for their 11pm MST outside business detail.
Same here. Must stay awake
Actual conversation:
Wife: "What are you watching?"
Me: "UA-cam video about shooting."
1 minute silence.
Wife: "He needs a new coat. That one is all frayed and the seam is coming undone in the back. Probably because he sits on it."
I laughed so hard - I would never have noticed that in a million years. It was the first thing she noticed - she could care less about guns and shooting.
Ah, but little did you know, she was hinting to you that you need to buy her a new coat.
Same video, same monitor, same time, different people and they see different things. Now *THAT* is a kind of diversity we can all benefit from having around. If everyone noticed and didn't noticed the same things, we would all loose out.
Nice couple. You shoot, she analyzes the crime scene.
I am surprised at the fray, people brainwashed from the military would use a lighter to burn them off and then line up for inspection.
To be fair I noticed it too but when one has a multi dimensional pocket garment like that it can be overlooked.
Paul's Wife: "why do you need 2 of the same gun Paul, it's getting ridiculous?"
Paul: *points to this video*
They are like earrings: they must be paired to assure maximum elegance.
Well he has a good head start on an old west gunslinger costume for Halloween.
Having a consecutive pair of Vaqueros in .45 Colt is a strong indicator that Paul or one of his friends is involved in Cowboy Action Shooting.
Don't be silly; Paul would never marry a woman who'd say that!
His and hers🤔
I like how he clearly identifies the question first, then thoroughly answers it.
Welcome to the channel haha!
If Paul's nothing else, he's clear and thorough.
I've seen the same method used in answering questions during presentations in the military. "Your question was XXX", gives answer, "Des that answer your question". It's an effective way to make sure everyone is on the same page.
I swear it never cease to amaze me when you just pulls out weapons out of the blue… I know there’s a Sherman tank somewhere in there…
He probably is a fan of the Marx brothers.
He has a jacket of holding.
For real!!!! Ya never know!
The ability to accurately select at will all the desired items from any garment’s endlessly capacious pockets was a skill particularly ascribed to Harrell, Tempestuous Óðinn’s wiser, calmer elder brother.
Plasma cannon in the 40 watt range.
Is that a beretta 92 self loading semiautomatic pistol loaded with green and white box 115grain round nose in your pocket... or are you just pleased to see me?
No, it's a Beretta M9 loaded with Remington green and white box 124 grain full metal jacket. :)
I'm just happy to see you.
"Can't it be both?"
Right or left pocket?
Left pocket is a banana.
You be the judge
I think after watching all of Paul’s videos to date, I’ve been conditioned to automatically be happy when hearing the intro theme.
Thanks for the great content as always!
Pavlov
That 70s porn music intro hahaha
Paul Hokinson Whatever..... it works!
@@peacems I love it
Paul actually doesn't use a shooting chronograph. He just hears the shot and knows its exact FPS !!! 🤣
A pretty awesome plot twist
@@ahuman2695 👍🤣😎
I thought he felt the change in air pressure since he constantly tells us he wears eye and ear pro.
I seriously could believe that. Some people are just that good! :)
I agree. We never actually see the results on the chronograph. Paul barks out the numbers and the chronograph is too afraid to say different.
I'm sad for all the Meat Targets that did not find a forever home in this episode.
I'm hungry.
Would have made a nice stew.
They have gone to live on a farm in Manchester.
Well now he’s gonna have to go back and make a new video!!!
the meat targets are recovered, made safe to eat and sent to a wolf sanctuary.
Great content Paul. This is the best informative gun channel on UA-cam.
It's an even better day when paul harrell uploads.
Fr!
All without taking his eye off the target.
It's an even even better day when he unloads... downrange.
Yeah I fucking love this channel I’d love to meet him irl lol
There might be a hurricane outside, but as long as I have power and Paul Harrell, I'm gonna be fine.
Godspeed. Shame it hit the same place twice
Stay safe and apologies but you’ll have to put up with a hurricane in the background
Hate to hear that for y'all. My area got rocked by Sally. She was a bitch of one and they got what she would do totally wrong. I live in Baldwin county so she went right over the top of us. Thankfully I only lost part of a shed and a lot of trees. Had power out for about a week. So we did lose all our food in the freezer and fridge.
Hope you make it out ok.
Same here. The wind is howling & the sky is angry in Baton Rouge but I’m safe & happy watching Paul Harrell videos.
God speed sir! I hope yall make it through it unscathed! Haha Paul is awesome!
Paul, paul, paul.. You've been in the game long enough. You've also established a reputation for being one of the only gun guys (if not the only) who knows how to create a detailed, educated, non-biased video for either reviewing or comparing two or more variables (guns, ammunition, and the like). Now, why haven't we seen an in-depth .45 acp vs 9mm comparo? I'm sure everyone would love to see a Paul Harrel approach on this topic i.e. educated, non-biased, and most importantly, non-toxic way of creating content about the comparison! :)
Give this a thumbs up if you agree so Paul can see this comment and hopefully consider it!
Fallen Pastabean almost $1.00 per round for 45acp these days. Just a thought.
He has said before that he has no interest in making videos on things that have been done to death by others. I agree with him on this.
I really don’t know what revelations you could expect to get from one more comparison. 45 has more recoil, makes bigger holes, and the guns generally have lower capacity. 9 has less recoil, makes smaller holes, and the guns generally have higher capacity. There’s your comparison. Anything beyond that is something you could infer from that info, or anecdotal.
True he seems fair in his testing. After all he could use a tough steak for the meat target when shooting federal ammo then switch to a pile of raw hamberger when testing green and white box🤔
InRange has done some good stuff over the years using spinner targets as a combined test of impact and recoil disruption. The reality is that you get a big chart of advantages for anything, but everyone is going to score those out differently, so there is no one answer.
@@elgringosupremo I suppose you have a valid point. However, would I be wrong for simply wanting a perspective from Paul Harrel because of his interesting style of presentations and entertaining "part where he talks a lot"? You be the judge.
Who else was waiting to see if he pulled that other .22 rifle out of his coat pocket?
He did, just didnt get it on camera
When he pulled out and held up the two nylon 66 mccandless moose poacher guns, i could see the muzzles were perfectly horizontal with eachother.
The double-barreled shotgun results were similar to a politician speaking out of each side of his or her mouth.
Now that smacks of alot of truth.
Are you implying the shotgun was full of crap? 😛
@@michaelblacktree
Maybe I'm implying that Nancy should have a 'full choke' installed...🤣
hehe
In doing that test, Paul made sure his home was safe. Joe Biden said that would work.
All I can say is: Thank you sir.
Thanks for taking the time to educate me.
Thank you for your service, and thanks for continuing to serve.
I think its the other way around...Bill Shatner has Harrellesque pauses.
Keep up the great work.
-- the smitz
Great video. Thanks Paul !
What a nice bit of land to play in.
Pretty soon a communist country.
@Pavel Manzhetov -- There is a serious effort to have the southern and western counties of Oregon become part of Idaho.
Looks like Missouri to me
Paul Harrell: "And the gun I'm using is stamped on the barrel...Marteen Amanetti FUBAR Spain. I'm probably pronouncing that wrong."
I think he pronounced "Spain" quite well.
a little problem with Eibar, Spain was fine
I like his brand of humor.
ROTFL
Was Just going to type FUBAR spain. LOL 😂 .
Great video, I can't wait to see the halloween special for this year. If its not too late, I remember you mentioning reading books about criminal profiling and statistics. I think that would make a great video. Anyway, thanks for this video!
I never thought about it, but that would make a great presentation!
Always interesting. The last video I watched was Paul cleaning guns. I rank that one a little higher. Why? Because Paul talked more. I did not get my fill of Shatner-like pauses this week.
I wish I could have Paul Harrell as my professor for all my classes. He manages to convey useful information in the most interesting manner possible.
Every professor and instructor needs to take lessons.
Aaaaand he never looked at the gun or speedloader when reloading. Caleb can't do that.
He's practicing what he teaches, and what better way than on video to show us.
@@alisterbh gun nuts media, see paul's "rebuttal" video
the chronograph started ptsd therapy from the constant mean mugging
Who is Caleb?
Haha, I remember that dude.
One of the smallest men I've ever seen.
Fine firearms all! However, I really admire your pair of Remington Nylon 66’s. The Nylon ‘66 brings back great memories. It was truly a rifle way ahead of its time. My only bittersweet memory involving my personal Nylon ‘66 was in trading mine away years ago while a young Marine for partial payment toward a first generation Colt AR rifle. ‘Semper Fi’. Joseph S.,100% Combat-related Disabled Veteran.
Matt Schmitt ... You’re welcome! Obviously, I didn’t pay the greatest price because I am still alive. However, I was virtually bed-ridden for nearly a decade. The God of Scripture along with Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) of Nazareth ultimately healed me and I am now able to enjoy life once again. The decade lost will remain lost. One of the reasons that I support DJT (as compared to the alternatives) is that he has promised to bring the US troops home from Afghanistan by the end-of-the-year. FYI, the war in Afghanistan is NOW our Nation’s longest war! With Osama bin Laden dead, we accomplished the principle purpose in our initial involvement. The lives and limbs lost by our service-members remain a permanent scar. Even if we stayed there 27 years (instead of 17) when we leave... Afghanistan will remain Afghanistan. It has NO impact to the direct security of our Nation, infrastructure, or our people. Politicians from BOTH parties have been complicit! Defend the homeland is DOD’s constitutional charter. Best Regards, Joseph S.
I traded my for a Browning Momad.
Thank you for your service, and all you have given for everyone, here and abroad.
My first was a green Nylon 66 given to me by my dad when he first taught me how to shoot in the '60's. It was stolen from the family farm by a renter we took pity on. Twenty years later, I purchased my own brown 66, which I used to teach my daughter and son to shoot not long ago. It will not be going anywhere.
Years after my dad died, my mother decided "it wouldn't be safe" for me to keep firearms as I had children in the house. She gave away his Snub-nosed 38 Police Special, a 22 auto, and other weapons I had been promised. My kids were more knowledgeable and trustworthy around firearms than she ever was!
Clinton R , Thank-you for those kind words! It really means more to me than words can ever express. The Department of Defense (DOD) serves little real purpose were it not for a citizenry that is truly worth protecting, such as yourself! Finally, may you continue to be blessed by the wisdom you have shown in teaching your children respect for tools that can either save lives or take lives. In doing so, you have supported our God-given 2A rights, shown them an enjoyable potential future hobby, and removed the mysticism surrounding forbidden objects. Best regards, Joseph S.
I still have a 66 tucked away from 1971........somewhere.
Been wondering about this video idea for a while now. Great timing Paul!
2:29 Before you fire a shot...
The answer, in my experience is "Yes, but..."
In my collection I have 3 S&W J frame revolvers, all with 1-7/8" barrel, a Model 40, a Model 640 and a Model 642.
I also had (now passed on to two sons) two identical Ruger Model 77 RSI rifles in .243 both with 18.5" barrels and I have two Kimber Ultra .45s an Ultra Carry II and an Ultra CDP II, both with 3" barrels. I have 2 identical Colt Officer's Model Match Revolvers both with 6" barrels. I also have 4 .357 revolvers with 4" barrels but they are different makes or models. I have several O/U shotguns but have never tried the chrono test with them, or, for that matter any of my other shotguns.
In ALL of them, identical ammunition fired over my PACT Model 1 Chronograph result in different velocity averages...and in the case of the Ruger rifles, one of them shoots consistently "faster" with any load I have tried through them.
BUT...the velocity averages, while different, almost always fall within the "extreme spread" of the two guns. Meaning that individual shots from the same gun can, and do, result in variances as great, or greater, than the average difference between two different guns.
So...YES, but the difference is negligible, IMO.
Back to the video...your J frames had an average velocity difference of 46 fps but extreme spreads of 96 and 84 fps respectively. Your tests with the other guns confirmed that. So your results were consistent with what I have found.
Different...BUT negligible.
I think there's more difference between two "identical rounds" than there is between two "identical firearms."
Fun Fact: The double-barreled shotgun velocities are the combination to Paul's enormous gun safe.
Scientist finally confirmed the universe could begin with a big bang turns out it was Paul learning how to shoot for the first time
Me and my mother recently got kinda similar handguns as far as polymer striker fired pistols go and I was actually curious how different our two guns did when it came to the same ammunition. Hers is a glock 17 Gen 5 with 4.49" barrel and my Walther PDP with 4.5" barrel and when it came to anything 115g our results were practically identical at muzzle, very little difference at 7 yards but once we started stepping up the weight of bullet we started seeing significant differences, especially with "nicer" ammunition as far as whatever nicer can define when it's in a fmj. Norma 124g fmj gave me an average of over 60fps increased results yet when we switched to a heavier 147g federal fmj my gun actually LOST around 30-40fps on average which is much more significant since the heavier rounds already produce quite a bit less velocity compared to a 124 or 115. I really wanted to try and see the differences in velocity at a much further rate like 15-25 yards but I'm too damn scared of slamming my chrono with my shaky aim at those distances. What gave us the funniest results were federal classic 147g hollowpoint. It was pretty much pointless to even try comparing because they both were off at such random rates where they would take turns being significantly faster or slower on average.
P.S. - Both guns were practically brand new at this point, less that 300 rounds each so any kind of difference in cleaning habits didn't interfere.... But to anyone that isn't bored to tears and reads through this.... Get a chronograph! I seriously can't go to the range without it now... I've become almost obsessed at what each of my rifle rounds do out of them.
The answer is in the difference in metallurgy.
Tool steel creates more drag on the projectile than stainless. The chrome mixture in stainless makes for a slicker barrel when compared to the high carbon tool steel.
Another variable is tool fatigue.
Hammer forged barrels are made on a mandrel. At the end of the life of the mandrel. The rifling, and barrel can be less desirable. A more accurate barrel is made at the beginning of the life of the mandrel. The better definition of rifling allows for the shooter to break in the rifle barrel into a sweet spot where the rifling, and round meet perfectly for better accuracy, or in the case of precision shooting. Where the barrel, and ammunition allows for consistent pressures leading to consistent accuracy.
There are also slight differences in bore tightness between manufacturers and even individual firearms.
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I added more information to my comment that addresses tool fatigue the leads to less desirable barrels, and rifling.
Need a stainless vs carbon steel barrels comparison video.
@@richardburnett-_ also melonite vs. blued vs. stainless. I have melonited barrel thats so slick that slugging it is incredibly easy.
Much respect for all the knowledge you have I really enjoy mechanical things and I got that passion with firearms unfortunately I was 8 at the time and couldn't interact with them I got into motorcycles and cars instead and am pretty knowledgeable at 19 I hope I can get nearly as knowledgeable about firearms as I am about cars and motorcycles.
Hey Paul! Just wanted to say hi and thanks for all the work you've put in to this channel and community throughout all these years. Hope to see you into the future.
I just finished watching several videos back to back, just to find one more new upload "15 minutes ago".
Thank you, sir!
Your patient, analytical and professional, you deserve more subscribers.
This man never looked down for any of his reloads. :) Thats someone who has done this a time or two. Keep up the great work paul
So, I watched this video when it came out in October of 2020, and it popped up in my feed again in April of 2021. Paul has me so well conditioned, that even though I remembered it, I still clicked on it and watched it to the end. Thanks, Paul! It appears your training of us is highly successful. Your video shows up, we click and watch. Where that video is in the list of your videos makes no significant difference at all.
Thank you for another fascinating video exploring a topic of keen interest to us “gun minded” individuals.
Paul and his friends have a fantastic collection of firearms.
And a good supply of ammo.
Paul's videos are always worth the watch if you actually care about interesting facts and questions he's trying to bring clarity to. I can see this having a follow up video breaking down and explaining WHY there can be a difference between different firearms from different manufacturers that are similar in spec but achieving different velocities. In the case of revolvers, I suspect it has a lot to do with the cylinder gap and cylinder length possibly.
"Fubar Spain" "I'm probably pronouncing that wrong"
Ruger sells pairs of sequential revolvers for cowboy action shooting...but to get a pair simply by accident???????????? Truly a charmed man! Deservedly so, great video as always!
Not gonna lie, seeing those Vaqueros being unholstered made me smile for no real reason other than aesthetics.
After watching a lot of your videos and hearing you discuss this topic a lot it took me a while to watch this. Such small differences can come from a multitude of different things. As always though, we can rely on you to put it to the test.
So happy there's someone who likes investigating banal (yet interesting) topics like this.
Don't mind those that do not speak/read English (American or other), complaining. The ability to communicate effectively through language and opposable thumbs are all that separate us from the poo-flingers.
This is the best asmr on UA-cam.
That range has what we call in the UK "the zombie apocalypse bus."
People in the US think of them as school buses, but we mainly see them with spikes on in zombie movies & games.
@@kennydoggins1712 Depends where you are in the country. Where I am at the moment they are lone single-deck smaller coaches due to small population. Where I grew up, a large rural catchment area, they ran a fleet of more than a dozen double-deckers.
Thank you Paul for this very enlightening video. You have answered a question I'm sure many have never thought about but can make a difference when selecting more than one firearm for a common ammunition. Also, I thought your were a very lucky individual when you held up two Remington Nylon 66 rifles, but when you pulled out two Ruger Vaqueros with consecutive serial numbers I realized you were truly blessed by the firearm gods. Take care, stay well and keep bringing us the good information on firearms and ammunition.
I know you like costumes. What about a poncho, wow brimmed sombrero, and a thick black mustache when you shoot the vaqueroes at the same time?
Wish Id thought of this comment.👍
Next you'll want him to impersonate Speedy Gonzales...
Mark H. Slowpoke Rodriguez.
@@jddrafts :)
Not 1970's enough...
as always, an excellent, well thought out and presented video
Dam, i want a training facility!
Paul, very informative as always. You're the go to guy for...complete information on pretty much anything related to firearms. You are very exacting with your facts and figures. That I appreciate very much.
I just love the little supersonic crack of the .22. Yeah I'm a geek.
Same here. It's pretty satisfying.
What a geek you are
Got to hear that just the day about a hundred times.
Very satisfying.
I spent my teenage years hunting ground squirrels in Northeast Oregon, a couple friends, each with a couple 500 round boxes of .22 ammo and a lot of open ground. Great way to spend a Saturday.
Another informative video Paul! Thanks for all you do, a great way to get start my day!
So distracted by the intro. Paul isn’t being attacked by the weather; either rain or snow.
Still one of my favorite channels!
Thanks for your work Mr. Harrell!
Once again Paul brings us to school - " HEY " he even brought the bus ! The dislikes must be from the ones that didn't see the right length bus for them and FEEL left out .
Very interesting results. Thanks for the video Paul
Just when you thought there are no more questions or mysteries in the universe that Paul can't answer for us...thanks again Paul!
Love how you get the revolver reloaded not looking at it. I also know you preach this type of operation during practice sessions. Great!
Ah, Nylon 66. First gun I ever fired, given to me by my father, and still hangs up in my bedroom. Such a nostalgic report too.
When you see the guns they used to make with quality and compare that to the company now it’s heartbreaking...
That was a great video. I just enjoyed you shooting various models and calibers. Thank you for this presentation.
posted 4 minutes ago and its 17 minutes long and already a down vote... well we know who it is at least and hes prolly trying to look cool with a revolver.
Give him a break, it's Friday, he's probably 8 whiskeys in by now
@@ImageLimestone what do you mean, 8?
I've seen him drink, and that's way low.
he's jealous of the rosewood grips and the sequential serial numbers.
Caleb naughty naughty
@@ScottKenny1978 8 pints
Jerry Mikulek had a video on this topic a while back. His sponsor gave him 2 identical revolvers, both had different muzzle velocities caused by bore diameters within the tolerance limits but on opposite ends of the tolerance limit - ie: one at the lowest acceptable bore diameter and the other at the highest acceptable bore diameter. It was a significant difference in velocity. I will try to go find the video and link to it in an edit to this post asap.
Would love to see this done with Glocks and 1911's.
Another great and informational video from Paul thank you my friend I appreciate the effort you put into teaching
Paul needs all the space inside the school bus when he empties the guns and ammo from his coat pockets.
You are awesome Paul. I really have learned a lot from you. Keep up the good thing you're doing for us.
"The longer the barrel, the better performance you get." - Paul Harrel
Case closed, Paul has put the eternal question to rest!
@@rogerwilco99 I believe it was Guns and Ammo years ago that pointed out 9MM started losing velocity in barrels of 16" or longer.
That was standard velocity ammo; I might expect that +P would do better since both 357Mag and 44Mag both posted significant increases at that barrel length.
More performance, sure; is there really a debate on that? The cost is weight and maneuverability. A Beretta 92 with a 10” barrel will see higher velocities. Do you want to CC a 10” pistol?
"Up to a point," he wisely added. (To make a long story short.)
@@rogerwilco99 : And he did specify, "velocity". (Not 'performance'.)
Sometimes caliber is more important than barrel length, but it's best to have plenty of both.😉
Awesome video with some great insights! Very interesting to see these differences
I was hoping to hear that Remington's ammunition division had been purchased by Paul Harrell. Oh well....
Good information as always. Thanks Paul!
"It's not enough difference to make a difference." Paul Harrell quote of 2020 to save us from violent political chaos. Don't let this year's madness rip us apart. War is hell
Amen brother
Almighty God, save us from chaos. Mother Mary and all Saints, pray for us
The emperor protects, but a loaded bolter doesn't hurt
@@commanderbeepo8066 My 92FS gives me enough warm fuzzies to sleep at night
Ah horseshoe theory at its worst.
Comparisons made here that few would think to make or have the equipment to make... Thanks, Paul, very interesting!
Given that the firearms tested are revolvers, is it possible that differences in the amount of cylinder gap provided varying pressures from the same ammunition, giving different velocities?
Forcing cone as well could be applied also I believe
Yup and these vary from sample to sample even in identical models.
@@ravissary79 what about barrel material
@@jorgesolis9468 pretty much any difference can cause a variance in velocity.
@@jorgesolis9468 but to be fair, Paul's example of this (his two nearly identical guns ie: same model) had the least variance.
Great Review 👍 Beretta M9 and Beretta M9A3 have a different velocity .
FUBAR Spain is such a beautiful place this time of year.
I appreciate this data as I would not be likely to run such a rigorous evaluation and comparison. Well done! As always Paul, you are a delight to watch. Wish we could find some 9 mm 115 grain Winchester FMJ white box ammo out there somewhere, right? What a time we are living. Thank you!!
What we learn from this man is priceless.
One of the most interesting and also surprising videos yet ,Who would have thought that Two different manufacturers seemingly similar weapons would make the differences observed , probably more critical in smaller calibres when any loss of velocity and thus energy is even more significant and may even be critical . Thanks Paul , Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
They say to “slug your bore” when hand loading for a new firearm to properly measure the exact bore diameter. Maybe the slight differences in bore diameters are causing the different results? I don’t know, just a thought. I’m new to hand loading and not any kind of expert.
Good if your casting your own bullets and want a perfect fit. If you want to measure exact chamber size. There is a quick melt metal you can use to cast your chamber. www.rotometals.com/chamber-casting-alloy-ingot-aka-low-158-190f/
I slugged my m44 to determine which bullet diameter to use. I can’t use the .308, have to use .311 or .312. My barrel averaged .3115.
@@WillFlyForTips What kind of accuracy are you getting? I love my mosins, but never considered them very accurate rifles.
2.5 moa with my reloads, so not terrible, but not great either. I’m still playing with load development. Right now I’m working with Hornady #3131 and Sierra #2315 174gr bullets. It took several attempts at cleaning the bore when I first got the rifle to get all the copper out of it. If nothing else, it’s just fun to go out and shoot the thing.
Yes, bore diameter can make a big difference in velocities.
Slow barrel vs .Fast barrel. Drives handloaders crazy .I have heard accounts of 2.5 BBl having velocities greater than 4 BBl. with the same ammunition. Great video as always.
Paul Harrel never actually has to pull the trigger of a gun. He just looked at the bullets and quietly says”RUN!”
Well - There goes the 'variability in velocity is somewhat related to the strength of the trigger-squeeze' hypothesis.
I just wanted to thank you for all the great info over the years Sir
You make pockets look good, Sir.
Thanks for the vid. I can see how different model revolvers might have different muzzle velocities based on differences in the gap between the cylinder and the bore. It might be interesting to run this type of test between two different semi autos (same caliber, same barrel length), but my guess is that in that scenario, there would be little to no difference in muzzle velocity.
For the revolvers I'd be interested to know the gap between the cylinder and barrel on the respective guns. You could use an automotive feeler gauge.
My thoughts exactly.
Very interesting test. One specification that was not commented on was the difference in rifling twists for the pistols specifically. Another potential variation while it was not necessarily a huge factor but the variations in the round may be a contributor to the differences.
Field trips have gotten more sophisticated since I was a kid.
Paul needs the space inside the school bus when he empties the guns and ammo from his coat pockets.
Awesome insight. Thanks Paul.
That man pulled a magician trick at 3:02
Wow, Paul, you've picked up some subs! I found you perhaps 3-ish years back when there were significantly less. Good for you, man...you deserve it.
My theory is tolerances in the gun, if one gun has a better gas seal then the other it could build more pressure to propel the round at a higher velocity and variances in the rounds themselves due to primer burn and power burn. But as always, you be the judge.
I totally agree. If one firearm is shot a lot more than another, it will effect the tightness of the bullet in the barrel as well. A tighter barrel fit may sound like more friction, but more friction is better than some gas escaping around a bullet (too loose for the barrel). I have a Winchester 1873 made in 1888 that always keyholes. My guess is the barrel is way out of tolerance, thus allowing a lot of the gases to escape before the round is out of the barrel. But, it’s still fun to shot something made almost a century and a half ago.
Conversely, if the seal was a little too tight it could cause extra friction which would slow down the bullet.
brazoon1 I have been told to “shoot in” a firearm with a few hundred rounds as soon as I get it. There opinion was: There is a sweet spot.
Ive seen variations in 45 acp.
You are the REAL DEAL and I appreciate your videos and your service sir!!
Did Model 36 have significantly more rounds fired through it than Model 638 over its lifetime? I wonder if barrel wear was the key factor that caused the difference.
As always well thought out well presented and fun to watch! Thank you for always being straightforward insightful and entertaining! You be the judge!
“I’m probably pronouncing that wrong.” 🤣😂 “Fubar”Spain must be shotgun headquarters over there
'Fubar Spain' was a malign side-effect of GCA 68.
I absolutely love videos like this. Things I'd have never considered before I get that notification pop up "Paul Harrell has posted a new video."
Thanks again for the very informative piece.
Paul's field jacket is older than some of his commentors.
I ran statistically rigorous t-tests on your results. Your statistical intuition is on point! In the first test, the difference is statistically significant, the probability of the observed difference being due to pure chance is only 1/4 of a percent (for example picking better rounds by accident). Same in the second test, but even more significant, the p-value came in at roughly a sixth of a percent. None of the last three tests generated significant results, the variation observed is most likely to be due to pure chance.
Interestingly enough, I did discover a significant difference in the variance itself between the last two tests. This means that one of the rifles/revolvers shoots with far more consistent speeds than the other one (roughly 60% difference in standard deviation in both tests). This usually happens in manufacturing, when keeping tolerances below a limit, some have tolerance close to the limit, and some have even better tolerances.
BZ. The only thing missing is the data tabulation on the cardboard easel.
But that's easely remedied next time.