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EVs replacing ICE cars is like quartz clocks replacing mechanical clocks or digital cameras replacing film cameras. It is happening now and no one can stop it.
yes, the toothpaste is out of the tube. no way back now 😁legacies are right now in full panic mode and try to figure out how to comply with the new reality .... until now they were just playing the "compliant" game at minima. but now they realized that BEVs are storming their business and customers will no more buy new ICEs soon or late this will now come sooner than expected by their linear lazy former market studies private customers are now afraid to buy a brand new ICE since they do not know how much they can resale it in 6 or 8 years ... better wait and see right now, or buy an EV for the ones who can afford it
@PhoonBucgeneMY PHEVs have ICE. Chinese don't want pure EVs they are buying PHEVs. This means gasoline will be required when we are supposed to stop burning stuff. Is just a joke. China does not care about the environment. They just want to increase manufacturing, which is increasing global emissions.
Absolutely astonishing! Here in the UK there is very little discussion, or awareness, of the emerging Chinese EV onslaught. These videos are mind blowing!
The UK is aware, but they're automotive consumers, no longer producers. Now that they're out of the EU, there's no economic difference between buying a Chinese NEV or a German one, as the revenue and profit still goes out of country. Therefore, it's to their advantage to buy the more affordable Chinese option, to support the British consumer.
That's because most have their heads in the sand. I've been talking about BYD for a couple of years, Nobody had ever heard of them. Even my mechanic/cars sales friends. Most still think EV's are a fad. Although I have noticed a difference in peoples questions about my EV. But there are still so many that think it takes 15hrs to charge them and they can only do 100 miles or they burst into flames.
That's the thing with analysts outside of China. They think that these Chinese EVs are competing against legacy auto. It is way past that. The Chinese are no longer looking at those legacy, they are competing against themselves.
I wonder why, anyone should be shocked. When analogue mobile phones changed, the internet and wide screen digital phones took over. All legacy analogue phones disappeared, including Nokia and Motorola. When digital phones took over the camera market....all legacy camera literally were caught with their pants down!! Kodak and Fuji disappeared almost. So there is no surprise in automotive industry too. Digitalized automotive will takeover....that is why the term "disruptive technology" is coined for a reason.
Digital phone technology had little down side. EV's on the other hand, poor resale value, charging/infrastructure issues, if you crash and you don't die instantly you will be treated with a fiery end. No thanks.
@chrisdanielson1219 You are talking with facts that are out of date. Infrastructure: is only unique to US that refuses to install chargers to save legacy auto. Resale: there are no issues outside of US. Batteries are now far more advanced heading toward 2 million KM life. Fire: there are hardly any issues with new battery technologies. Only US is talking about these outdated issues that have long be resolved. So I am sure you should be clinging onto your analogue non-internet phone!!! The world has move on ....
@@easternrazor3749 Not out of date. 7 people burnt to death over the holiday weekend in Tesla crashes. Battery density degrades over time. Fact. Don't forgot repair prices. Ugh! High center your car and your screwed. I'll just be patient, and wait till all the bugs are worked out on people who aren't. I'm all for tech that doesn't further complicate my life with little benefit. I still get where I need to go just fine. Yep, I'm at my desktop on my dial up modem. Lol
@chrisdanielson1219 Old Tesla? Well that is out of date. Even charging is out of date. By the way, how many have died in legacy car during the same period?
@chrisdanielson1219 Sorry, you patience is of no use...when your govt does not allow competition...everything will be at sail pace and there are few options.
@skywire5595 they became soft, complacent, and ignorantly useless. When 30-40% of their profits come from the Chinese market, they'd have to be absolute morons to not see this pricewar coming. Most of them don't even have a quality product to even compete with the chinese evs.
In my EU country the cheapest BYD Atto3 with a 60 kWh battery and 160 km/h v.max is priced at $69,445 AUD. From what I read it costs $29,808 AUD in Australia. So far for free markets, fair competition, transition to EVs and affordability. You don´t get what You pay for, when You must save the triple of what it costs in China and well more than double of its Australian price. 0,49 AUD per kWh for home charging, from 0,81 AUD upwards for public charging (max 22 KW or it is more expensive). 1 liter diesel fuel is at 2,89 AUD, now that it´s cheaper than in Summer.
To be fair, Australia is a LOT closer to the Chinese factories than any EU state, so the logistics are faster and less expensive. Plus, with Holden gone, Australia no longer has a domestic auto industry to support with ruinous subsidies. My understanding is that Australians are going with affordable Chinese rooftop solar to charge their EVs.
The ICE cars sitting on lots are some of the last ones to roll off the production lines. Within a few years no manufacturer will be producing ICE vehicles. The legacy auto manufacturers that committed to ICE and dragged their heals transitioning to EV's will all be gone.....
@@after_midnight9592 There won't be millions of vehicles deteriorating long term. There will be a steady rotation of stock but it might take 6 months until they lower prices to the point that people can afford them. It's not in their interest to keep vehicles longer than they need to as they are depreciating sitting there.
Landline switched analog telephones might be a better analogy. The transition to digital telephony started a few decades ago, but is now essentially complete with the removal of Quality of Service requirements in the US a few years ago. Sure, some landline analog phones still exist, but they're deprecated legacy equipment.
The diference is that EVs ar enor objectively better in every way, far from it, theres no clause for clean combustion fuels which should, and the government is handcaping the industry significantly in favor of their agenda.
@Ericwvb2 so youre just pulled the typo card on me kid? Really? Also youre delusional if you say so boudly its better in every way -longevity significantly bottlenecked by cold weather and enviroments with too much hillclimbs -fire safety much lower than combustion cars, and their fires much harder to pull out, so much so insurance companies are refusing to insure them and also people strongly advice to not park them underground. -cant keep full power at lower battery unlike ICs that no matter how low the fuel, the power is the same as long as theres still fuel. -while we're at it, many claim that EVs have a much steeper consumption of battery at high revs than what an IC car would also consume in gasoline reving higher. -EVs are heavier because batteries and motors manage to be more dense than forged steel engines and gasoline filled tanks, not to mention the ton of dead space full of metal EV manufacturers still shove in their cars instead of optimize building. -and even on an enviromental argument, you use rarer materials that require larger mining operations and dangerous chemicals that are harder to recicle the materials, we are still throwing batteries in the ocean while the recycling industry is not fully equipped to properly recicle all the current batteries we are using on cellphones and regular car batteries, and its gonna get worse if we have to scrap billions of cars because of this agenda of banning all IC cars by 2035 with no clean fuel clause. You think converting currently existing IC cars to electric is gonna be cheap and easy for the population? Guesed wrong. It never is with such things. Specially when theyre pushing so hard for sales of EVs so manufacturers arent kicked with absurd tariffs. And to top it all off, most of the world power grid is still fossil fuel. Wheres the pressure to change those? Wheres the nuclear power plant plans? Why are we still fearmongering those and thinking wind and solar will carry everything when they just cant? (Wind power super bad btw) -and on a less important but still a culture part of cars in general; EVs are boring, soulless and bring no joy of driving or even in the art of creating their powertrains as theyre all the same with no considerable diference, meaning sports and race cars lose everything that make them exciting other than pure speed which is not everything specially for sportscars.
you're right with one thing...and that is that the "gravytrain" ofVW is gonna hit the buffers pretty soon...one way or another....and other german car makers will be strongly affected too.....
When the first one collapses (VW?) it will remove a competitor for what is left standing (Peugeot, Renault, BMW, Daimler?), as there will remain some demand for ICE vehicles for the next few years. That will give those that remain a small breathing space to reconfigure their businesses. If they are competent enough to take it.
The environmental impact of mining and the challenges with recycling are big issues. Until there’s a better solution, it's hard to see EVs as the future.
EV battery recycling technology and factories already exist and the technology will become more mature in the next few years. Don't worry, where there is demand, there will be someone who will do it.
The environmental impact of drilling for oil and refining it, and the challenges of recycling the metal in ice vehicles are insurmountable, so it's clear that electric vehicles will take over completely.
Shanghai VW is the joint venture of SAIC and VW. SAIC has tree part of their business, joint venture with GM, Joint venture with VW, and their brands like Roewe and MG.
Hey Sam. We'd all like to see a video where you give your predictions as to which EV companies will survive the eventual shakeout in China and which ones won't.
The legacy car companies had to have known this was inevitable. Maybe the speed at which it happened was unexpected, but they had to have seen it coming from the beginning. The ccp wasn’t exactly concealing the plan. Every company in every industry in every country is about to experience the same thing if they haven’t already.
People need to realize what a scam buying a new car is. You lose 50% of its value in a few years, but still have to pay interest, if you don't pay everything up front.
Tariff on ev will make china the future while us and allies will lag behind in technology. This will be the first time since the dark age in Europe such a event is taking place. Once in a event in a millenium
if you are wondering why EU made electric cars have clunky software due to their crap OS systems .... this will open your eyes as to why .... they don't even have a sovereign OS system in their PC networks ..... you just have to shake your head in disbelief "The petitioner calls for the European Union to actively develop and implement a Linux-based operating system, termed ‘EU-Linux’, across public administrations in all EU Member States. This initiative aims to reduce dependency on Microsoft products, ensuring compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), and promoting transparency, sustainability, and digital sovereignty within the EU. "
Chinese Brands takes around 70% market share in Nov while those international brands ( vw,toyota,....) have only 30%. traditional brands is loosing the market share dramatically.
Interesting data. Legacy automakers look boring. Like, hey, let's take our ICE car and put a battery in it, that seems like a doom loop. I love the little $4,000 sub compact. If somebody made a $12,000 EV in the US and it qualified for the $7,500 tax incentive, it would fly off the shelves. Sure, margins are low, but you'd make good volume profits. Sam is wrong on one think. He says China is going to kick legacy EV makers out of the country. He's the GOAT on EVs but not well-schooled in geopolitics. China will Definitely Not forcibly remove those JV partners. Declining sales may cause them to withdraw, but they won't be kicked out! It would take too long to explain why. I'm hoping he just misspoke.
Correct. Chinese consumers who stop buying will cause legacy OEMs to exit the Chinese market. That said, China's government can accelerate this by advancing climate goals to permanently ban ICE imports starting 2025.
Time for any EV company to start selling to Canada With the tariffs there is a huge shortage of EV for sale in Canada . Car lots in many cases have 1 or 2 cars on the lot to look at .
Yes I know bad timing I was about to buy a BYD . I wanted one ASAP . Before Trump took power and perhaps PP in Canada . He is pro oil so we will never see one
Wuling is less than 5% of SGMW. The business is a subsidiary of GM with SAIC and Wuling having a slient investment of 50% of the company. Shanghai-VW is a joint company of SAIC and VW. SAIC is again a silent investor, with this being basically a VW subsidiary. The reason the local investment exists is to comply with Chinese law that demands 50% local ownership. SAIC Holdings, which owns Nanjing (MG) and LDV, is a 50/50 holding with GM. All the vehicles it produces are GM designs made under licence. The ICE engines are supplied by GM China, a nomiinal subsidiary of SAIC Holdings which is 100% owned by GM. As for electric, they use Chinese batteries, but all the designs, systems and switchgear is made under licence or supplied by GM.
This is mostly incorrect. I once did a corporate chart of SAIC Group and you can find it at Carnewschina / The Big Read - SAIC part 2 - The bigger the better. SAIC Group is mostly owned by the city of Shanghai and a little by the city of Nanjing. About 25% of the shares are freely traded on the Shanghai stock exchange. SAIC-GM is the major joint venture between SAIC Group and GM (50% each). They make Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac. SAIC-GM-Wuling is a SAIC Group subsidiary (they own 50,1%) and consolidated in the books of SAIC Group. SAIC Group bought the Wuling passenger car production (but not the Wuling Company, that still exists independently as Guangxi Automobile) around 2000, with GM as additional investor. SGMW later introduced Baojun, which was basically GM Korea (former Daewoo) products made in China. A Baojun rejuvenation a few years ago failed and now it's being rebranded as "upmarket Wuling". SAIC Passenger Vehicles is a branch of SAIC Group and makes the MG, Roewe and Rising brands. SAIC Maxus is wholly owned by SAIC Group. PATAC (Pan Asia Technology Automotive Centre) is a joint venture between SAIC Group and GM (50/50) and basically the entire group's R&D centre. PATAC develops cars and technology for SAIC Passenger Vehicles, SAIC Maxus, SAIC-GM, SGMW and for GM as well, even some models or tech for the North American market. They also do ICE technology. Initially lots of it was based on GM Korea designs, but most of this tech has been replaced with upgraded, jointly developed (and owned) designs.
He’s not against EVs but he knows American consumers want to be able to choose when vehicle they want to drive. There should not be any government purposely trying to tax gas cars for the sake of wanting people to go all electric like they’re doing in California or subsidizing the sale of Electric cars to make them seem more affordable to consumers or just straight up CCP subsidized brands that can produce cars at a loss because they’re backed by their government which gives them an unfair advantage to other western carmakers who play by traditional business roles and allowing the products to sell themselves and make money off them if they’re any good.
You act like hes gonna order the military to take things away from people when the current zero emission zealotry was closer to forcebly take away IC vehicles at gunpoint from people.
Seems so, but just like gas station infrastructure followed with the ICE cars, whole new generation of nuclear powerplants and grid infrastructure needs to be developed to support mass of EVs. With robust electric grid powered by next gen nuclear powerplants and development in battery tech, there will be less and less obstacles for mass adoption.
I think Sam means BYD techs are older/worse than other Chinese EV companies such as Zeekr, Xpeng, Nio, Li, Avatr, etc. (They are also more premium level than BYD.)
Yeah only BYD is not better tech than Tesla. What the fuck are you talking about? Seen any independent reviews of kwh/km of BYD seal Vs Tesla 3 Highland? There is literally more or less a 2:1 advantage in range per electron on the Tesla. Tesla M3 Highland literally has a comparable efficiency at negative 24 degree average than a BYD seal in the norweigian summer ua-cam.com/video/oAiJ8GezlGc/v-deo.html They are so far apart they do not meaningfully compare. BYD make fine batteries, but the software suite and efficiency tech is inferior to Tesla, let alone VW for that matter. Try compare the efficiency of ID7 to BYD seal. ID7 wins by a wide margin. Now, that VW cannot make EVs efficiently and earn money is another matter, and one that will ultimately lead to VWs downfall. But vehicle for vehicle, BYDs are not the best.
I have a very interesting question relating to EV charging. In sub-zero weather countries (Northern Hemisphere); what happens when you charge an EV in very cold weather and then drive home to park the EV in a heated garage? Does the fact that a great temperature difference in the BMS ( which would undoubtedly now read a much higher charge in the battery bank) not cause this scenario to create a dangerous situation? Since batteries perform less efficiently in cold weather, I believe that conditions in which you charge an EV in that cold temperature and then enter a heated garage might explain why some batteries may overheat (even when not charging).
You'd have to ask an experienced battery engineer because all batteries are different. Some early ones (Bolt) were crap and shorted out into thermal runaway. Your garage is not going to be very warm if it's subzero outside, either. Just above freezing melts the snow off, anyway.
@@jamesvandamme7786 The biggest thermal cycle issues aren't in northern Europe, they're in the middle east. Cars are kept in air-conditioned garages, then go out onto blazing hot pavement where the high temps rapidly degrade battery life without active battery cooling systems.
EVs without swap is a bad solution. If the battery dies year 9 you need to purchase a new battery + pay up to $3k for the work. That does usually not make economical sense, hence the car is scrap. With a NIO / Onvo with swap and battery as a service, the economic life of the car is not determined by the battery. That is a huge reduction in risk. Have fun buying a second hand Tesla that can turn wortless over night when (not if) the battery fails. EVs with swap are a better solution.
Because EV battery technology is developing very quickly, it is possible that the price of batteries used in EVs will drop by 20-25% in the next 8-10 years.
@@Balance1973 Swap makes EVs more different (better) from ICE. An ICE is too complex to automatically swap in 3 minutes. Maybe prices will drop a bit...but a car today is probably the same price in purchasing power as 1970...
@@agusedyanto3324 Maybe, buy even with a 20 % drop, at what second hand car value is manually changing a battery out of the question? A good new computer today is about €2k. A good computer 20 years ago was...? It was about the same in terms of purchasing power. I.e. a meaningful price drop with regard to my narrative is not a given...it is rather unlikely. I mean, even if batteries drop by 50% it is still a significant sum to spend on an old car. Plus the labour cost if the EV does not have battery swap.
I am not going to swap the brand new battery in my brand new car for a second hand used battery. A battery failure in an old EV would be no different that an engine failure in an old ICE
In previous videos, you have pointed out that citizens in China need a permit to buy a new car. Could it be that the Chinese government is reducing legacy car sales, by refusing or delaying the permits needed to buy them?
Chinese citizens do not need a special "permit" to buy a new car. In China, purchasing a new car requires following a certain process and regulations, including providing identity proof, purchase invoice, vehicle qualification certificate, insurance certificate, tax payment proof, and other documents for vehicle registration. In some major cities, such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen, due to vehicle purchase restrictions, citizens need to register and participate in a lottery to obtain a car purchase quota before they can buy a car. This is not a "permit" process, but rather an allocation process for car purchase quotas. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that Chinese citizens need a "permit" to buy a new car. In fact, they need to follow the regulations and procedures for vehicle registration and licensing.
yep, but just in mega city, oil cars will make air pollution problem, you know there are 240K population city, but other city, you can also buy oil car as usual.
Only a few cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen are subject to this restriction because there are too many people. There are over a hundred cities and vast rural areas in China, so feel free to buy.
the 'permit' is car plate, it isn't to target legacy cars. it is to reduce carbon emision. so they ease the car plate for EV. all EV in china get easier car plate, include VW, BMW, TESLA, etc.
Sam, enjoy the channel. Except for one thing. You include a ton of statictics but they are not consistent. You talk about BYD making lots of EVs but later drop the fact that you have included hybrids. You talk about hybrids and plug-in hybrids but I never know which one you mean. IMHO you should only use the term EV for pure battery cars.
BYD's Dual Mode vehicles are EVs with all-electric range that generally exceeds the 1st gen battery EVs like the Nissan Leaf, so they should be counted as EVs with range extenders.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Anything that completes full trips entirely on battery is an EV. An EREV that is 100% battery for errands and daily drives is an EV. If every car had 20-miles / 30 kms all-electric range, that could cover something like 80-90% of all trips. Big Oil is the one pushing for only counting BEVs as "EVs" because they are very well aware that PHEVs and EREVs would completely decimate them.
Electric car problems I’m not even considering this change to EV now at all due to the obvious disadvantages but was mindful of the possible cost savings on petrol. However now I realise these savings would be negated by charging point installation and purchase and apparently my house and car insurance cost increase. Furthermore I hear that more and more hospitals etc and now possible car parks are going to refuse entry to EV’s due to increased weight/fire risk…really? BTW way I think you may be like marmite. Whilst I love your quirkiness and content my wife does not. Should I consider a divorce? Legislation introduced to limit manufacturers to only be able to charge their own vehicles only EV’s are now require vehicle tax Congestion charge will be brought in for EV’s Ridiculously high repair costs Here’s some of my thoughts on EV’s. Not comprehensive but hoping it’s not misinformation. You tell me. I Can’t think of any positives so perhaps you out there can help there too. Apparently they’re nippy off the mark for boy racers I’m told but that drains the battery faster. I’m no Luddite nor am I anti EV really as I lease but surely there is some truth in the following that by far outweighs the benefits: Governments prosperous EV mandate. EV companies collapsing monthly. High cost of repairs Limited charging infrastructure. Broken charging infrastructure Range anxiety Lack of fast chargers High charging costs Higher risk of fire with EV’s Higher risk of injuries in accidents They’re not that good in cold weather There weight may mean a future ban in older multi story car parks No mandate for new home build charger installations No faith in governments that told us to buy diesels Hospitals and other public service buildings are increasingly banning EV’s There throw away like mobiles and ironically are harming the environment. The poor people who have to mine the lithium, cobalt etc We have to import most of our power/fossil fuel to charge EV’s et al. People who are stuck with EV’s having lost half there value and more in two years telling us how great they are. Diesel powered chargers and batteries charging EV’s nonsense Lack of spare parts Extreme depreciation People seem to be going back to ICE in big numbers…… Increased tyre wear Technology being outdated so quickly What will happen when we get more power cuts House and car insurance costs going sky high People who can’t use home chargers Red tape using car Ferry’s People who can can’t afford high cost of purchase and installation of home EV chargers High maintenance costs Small number of approved SME maintenance and repair garages that includes a lack dedicated dealership service network All subsidies are slowly being removed Apparently Quentin Willson was labelled a t**t and should be ignored Just a few off the top of my head. All this gained from my research and not cut and pasted. None of this is from the fully charged nor the BBC.
At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that is never addressed that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, (google it) increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage. Learn the truth here: ua-cam.com/video/hQt_I-RvGF4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/s3Tfxiuo-oM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/tcyQS4uz4rc/v-deo.html
@@dylanthomas12321 Our annual emissions equate to no more than a couple of extra CO2 molecules per tree leaf on the planet. Consider that every living thing on the planet on the land, in the sea and in the air is composed of carbon compounds that were once in the air as CO2. The claim that it is only our "emissions" that remain in the air and accumulate year on year, nature cannot cope with our contribution or that the carbon cycle was somehow magically in perfect equilibrium before we started to burn coal and oil is a complete fairy tale designed to fool the gullible. And here you are.
What does trap heat then? Something traps enough heat to keep our planet at a temperature that supports human life. That has been found to be what we call Greenhouse Gasses. How? Energy from the sun reaches this planet in a broad spectrum of frequencies. When it enters our atmosphere it warms the ground and the oceans. As the Earth rotates those parts facing the sun and already warmed now become hotter than space and would normally return all that heat energy back to space very quickly, resulting in a frozen planet. But that energy is no longer broad spectrum. Instead the Earth emits this low energy heat as Infra Red. CO2 allows in a broad spectrum of energy. But it tends to block Infra Red, keeping out planet warm, warmer than the frozen wastes of Space. Without that small amount of CO2 (200ppm+) in the atmosphere we could not have survived. But in a mere couple of hundred years we humans had increased CO2 by 50%. 50% is an enormous increase in a delicately balanced system. Small amounts of substances can have outsized effects. Think of vitamins. Or poisons.
@@mikemalone9678 Dr Markus Ott explains 'greenhouse' theory, why it is garbage and presents a more plausible explanation of the planet's temperature: ua-cam.com/video/Bj6ORbRBZ2s/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/JXKHfL55G2A/v-deo.html Only common sense and logic needed for comprehension, No PHD required. There is no 'greenhouse effect', therefore no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas'. Other videos in the series at: ua-cam.com/play/PL89cj_OtPeenkOm6CMmDLxO1SXONul2c7.html
The world changed a little starting in 2016 with Trump. Then Covid shut the lid , and now Trump again just hammered the last nail in the coffin The planet will never be the same again
EV's have as much personality as most (not all) who would buy one. The Dunning-Kruger effect has infected the world. It is no surprise a controlled and compliant society is churning out the most vehicles of this type.
I want a car that gets me where I want to go, when I want to go. Every time. I leave "personality" to those who don't mind being stranded by the side of the road because they buy into brand marketing, and pay over the odds for that.
@@mikemalone9678 I want a car with no transmission or complicated engine. Most EVs besides Tesla look fine to me. As for noise, smell, and vibration, I don't need that kind of "personality".
I've a Kia EV6, it's every bit as enjoyable to drive and my previous hot hatches, Astra GTE(1990 mk2 owned 30 years ago) , Almera SRi, Mondeo ST24, Subaru impreza, Focus ST, Fiesta ST (2019 MK8 owned up to last year). It drives differently but is just as much fun and having no noise means you can drive enthusiastically without drawing attention ;-)
@@beyondfossil Don't worry, those child laborers will continue to mine your cobalt so that you can comfortably delude yourself that there is no environmental downside to your choices. Dunning-Kruger- it was stated with purpose.
Try repairing a Tesla or other EV. The low volumes have almost no spares. We looked at the Chevy Volt and Bolt, and there are no controllers or replacement packs available.
@@jamesvandamme7786EVs are not less complicated the only difference is unlike an ice vehicle powertrain there’s thousands of moving parts but in an EV all the complexity lies in the battery
@@JDMSwervo2001 Many of the ICE parts are unique and they are mechanically wearing. And a failure of 1 part incapacitates an engine. Batteries are made with replicating assemblies, are electronic instead of mechanical, and redundant. You can argue philosophy all you want but what matters is actual reliability figures. Motors are better than engines plus transmissions.
If China had favorable demographics they would be unstoppable. But I predict they will peak at a GDP per capita of around $20,000 while the continent of Europe's will fall to an average of around $25,000 to $30,000 as they lose most industries to China. The US will continue to grow and remain dominant.
@@WillieFungo Defense isn't a big enough component of GDP that it would make a huge difference. We're not fighting any wars now, and giving a bunch of old stuff to Ukraine to use up. Bringing back advanced semiconductors through the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act will do a lot for USA industry.
Luckily the "Electric Viking" will give an honest review about the Chinese economy soon as well..I mean other "honest commentators" don't think it's doing very well... honestly. Apparently their EV's are good though.
Great video. Don’t say “you know.” It adds NOTHING to the sentence or the video. Plus, you’re talking to a camera, not a person. Learn to distinguish. It takes some effort yes, but you will be a better speaker once you put that effort in.
Hi electric Viking Can you do a video on the reliability based on how these Chinese cars are doing in China. I have seen some brands having problems deploying airbags driverless systems failing catching fire etc which brands will survive the transition etc Understand Chinese will force Chinese to buy Chinese however which brand is the most likely to survive and not be worthless in 5 years
@@ala-hc4rxMy MG Cyberster and other MG EV models in Thailand come with a "LIFETIME" warranty on the controllers, motors, and battery. No details in the warranty agreement so not sure how "LIFETIME" is defined
What you talked about is the Japanese hybrids, which are ice-based technology with less than 10km battery range, while Chinese hybrids are battery-based technology, which usually have 100 km battery range or more. Toyota is getting the Byd hybrid license.
again you are full of crap,only 15% of NEV sales are pure EV the rest are hybrid and still ice cars,also total NEV sales represent 51% of new cars sold in China the other 49% are still gas powered cars.
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EVs replacing ICE cars is like quartz clocks replacing mechanical clocks or digital cameras replacing film cameras. It is happening now and no one can stop it.
The majority of the EVs sold are hybrids with ICE.
EV hybrid are different than ICE hybrid. Different design philosophy
yes, the toothpaste is out of the tube. no way back now 😁legacies are right now in full panic mode and try to figure out how to comply with the new reality ....
until now they were just playing the "compliant" game at minima. but now they realized that BEVs are storming their business and customers will no more buy new ICEs soon or late this will now come sooner than expected by their linear lazy former market studies
private customers are now afraid to buy a brand new ICE since they do not know how much they can resale it in 6 or 8 years ... better wait and see right now, or buy an EV for the ones who can afford it
@PhoonBucgeneMY PHEVs have ICE. Chinese don't want pure EVs they are buying PHEVs. This means gasoline will be required when we are supposed to stop burning stuff. Is just a joke. China does not care about the environment. They just want to increase manufacturing, which is increasing global emissions.
@@neildolan7177 No, BEVs dominated the plugins with 56% of the sales if you listened to the facts presented by Viking.
Absolutely astonishing!
Here in the UK there is very little discussion, or awareness, of the emerging Chinese EV onslaught. These videos are mind blowing!
There’s lots of discussion, you’re just not reading/watching the right sites!
The UK is aware, but they're automotive consumers, no longer producers. Now that they're out of the EU, there's no economic difference between buying a Chinese NEV or a German one, as the revenue and profit still goes out of country. Therefore, it's to their advantage to buy the more affordable Chinese option, to support the British consumer.
That's because most have their heads in the sand. I've been talking about BYD for a couple of years, Nobody had ever heard of them. Even my mechanic/cars sales friends. Most still think EV's are a fad. Although I have noticed a difference in peoples questions about my EV. But there are still so many that think it takes 15hrs to charge them and they can only do 100 miles or they burst into flames.
When they discuss them, Chinese EVs will already flood the world.
@@Lemming1970 That's what they've been told by the oil industry propaganda outlets.
The Chinese automakers are going to slowly strangle the legacy automakers out of business.
That's the thing with analysts outside of China. They think that these Chinese EVs are competing against legacy auto. It is way past that. The Chinese are no longer looking at those legacy, they are competing against themselves.
Not so fast. Trump is a tariff maniac and even the EU is tariffing China.
What legacy auto are you referring too?😉
Thankfully there are lots of pro-democratic car buyers whose do not buy chinese pro-terroruzzian dictator-cars 😊
Most of the legacy automakers are in the business of selling absurdly overpriced combustion engine vehicles.
I wonder why, anyone should be shocked.
When analogue mobile phones changed, the internet and wide screen digital phones took over. All legacy analogue phones disappeared, including Nokia and Motorola.
When digital phones took over the camera market....all legacy camera literally were caught with their pants down!! Kodak and Fuji disappeared almost.
So there is no surprise in automotive industry too. Digitalized automotive will takeover....that is why the term "disruptive technology" is coined for a reason.
Digital phone technology had little down side.
EV's on the other hand, poor resale value, charging/infrastructure issues, if you crash and you don't die instantly you will be treated with a fiery end.
No thanks.
@chrisdanielson1219 You are talking with facts that are out of date.
Infrastructure: is only unique to US that refuses to install chargers to save legacy auto.
Resale: there are no issues outside of US. Batteries are now far more advanced heading toward 2 million KM life.
Fire: there are hardly any issues with new battery technologies. Only US is talking about these outdated issues that have long be resolved.
So I am sure you should be clinging onto your analogue non-internet phone!!!
The world has move on ....
@@easternrazor3749 Not out of date.
7 people burnt to death over the holiday weekend in Tesla crashes.
Battery density degrades over time. Fact.
Don't forgot repair prices. Ugh!
High center your car and your screwed.
I'll just be patient, and wait till all the bugs are worked out on people who aren't.
I'm all for tech that doesn't further complicate my life with little benefit.
I still get where I need to go just fine.
Yep, I'm at my desktop on my dial up modem. Lol
@chrisdanielson1219 Old Tesla?
Well that is out of date.
Even charging is out of date.
By the way, how many have died in legacy car during the same period?
@chrisdanielson1219 Sorry, you patience is of no use...when your govt does not allow competition...everything will be at sail pace and there are few options.
BYD bao 8 will sale very good in middle east, me personally I want buy one
Pure ev or hybrid?
@@felixlaupc hybrid definitely, Oil is very cheap those regions
I'll stic to my diesel Mercedes.
Viking used to compare volumes between tesla and BYD... not anymore
Geely group now.
viking is tesla fan boy
@xiaojiucaidaiwan imagine if mary Barra was for cutting ev tax credits how many videos he would make
@@jameswilliams5921She is for cutting the EV tax credit
He literally compares the volumes in this video
35.75% sold are pure electric in China, amazing!
Legacy auto also present in China for so long they must rest on their laurel , underestimate the competition from Chinese auto makers.
@skywire5595 they became soft, complacent, and ignorantly useless. When 30-40% of their profits come from the Chinese market, they'd have to be absolute morons to not see this pricewar coming. Most of them don't even have a quality product to even compete with the chinese evs.
In my EU country the cheapest BYD Atto3 with a 60 kWh battery and 160 km/h v.max is priced at $69,445 AUD. From what I read it costs $29,808 AUD in Australia. So far for free markets, fair competition, transition to EVs and affordability. You don´t get what You pay for, when You must save the triple of what it costs in China and well more than double of its Australian price. 0,49 AUD per kWh for home charging, from 0,81 AUD upwards for public charging (max 22 KW or it is more expensive). 1 liter diesel fuel is at 2,89 AUD, now that it´s cheaper than in Summer.
To be fair, Australia is a LOT closer to the Chinese factories than any EU state, so the logistics are faster and less expensive. Plus, with Holden gone, Australia no longer has a domestic auto industry to support with ruinous subsidies. My understanding is that Australians are going with affordable Chinese rooftop solar to charge their EVs.
Waiting for my BYD Shark here in Australia. Who knows.. in 5 or 10 years BYD might just take the crown from Toyota.
Depends if Toyota gets their act together. They've been fooling with solid state batteries for years.
Hope Aussies could take the lead in the EV trend to have both the healthier environment and the better economy .🎉
The reality verses the propaganda: ua-cam.com/video/tXZqrTORdho/v-deo.htmlsi=5sv9ikRg6hRAQdwT
GM has 44% share of the tri-venture, Shanghai Volkswagen is SAIC + VW.
The ICE cars sitting on lots are some of the last ones to roll off the production lines. Within a few years no manufacturer will be producing ICE vehicles.
The legacy auto manufacturers that committed to ICE and dragged their heals transitioning to EV's will all be gone.....
I think they're waiting for all the battery plants to come on line, and for their engineers to retrain. They're ten years behind.
When millions of unsold ICE and EV rot on the parking lots because people can't afford new car, how's that good for the environment?
@@after_midnight9592 There won't be millions of vehicles deteriorating long term. There will be a steady rotation of stock but it might take 6 months until they lower prices to the point that people can afford them. It's not in their interest to keep vehicles longer than they need to as they are depreciating sitting there.
Legacy cars will follow the same way as legacy horse-drawn carriages.
Landline switched analog telephones might be a better analogy. The transition to digital telephony started a few decades ago, but is now essentially complete with the removal of Quality of Service requirements in the US a few years ago. Sure, some landline analog phones still exist, but they're deprecated legacy equipment.
Some of them converted to horseless carriages.
The diference is that EVs ar enor objectively better in every way, far from it, theres no clause for clean combustion fuels which should, and the government is handcaping the industry significantly in favor of their agenda.
@@unkindled6410 "the diference is that EVs ar enor objectively"
@Ericwvb2 so youre just pulled the typo card on me kid? Really? Also youre delusional if you say so boudly its better in every way
-longevity significantly bottlenecked by cold weather and enviroments with too much hillclimbs
-fire safety much lower than combustion cars, and their fires much harder to pull out, so much so insurance companies are refusing to insure them and also people strongly advice to not park them underground.
-cant keep full power at lower battery unlike ICs that no matter how low the fuel, the power is the same as long as theres still fuel.
-while we're at it, many claim that EVs have a much steeper consumption of battery at high revs than what an IC car would also consume in gasoline reving higher.
-EVs are heavier because batteries and motors manage to be more dense than forged steel engines and gasoline filled tanks, not to mention the ton of dead space full of metal EV manufacturers still shove in their cars instead of optimize building.
-and even on an enviromental argument, you use rarer materials that require larger mining operations and dangerous chemicals that are harder to recicle the materials, we are still throwing batteries in the ocean while the recycling industry is not fully equipped to properly recicle all the current batteries we are using on cellphones and regular car batteries, and its gonna get worse if we have to scrap billions of cars because of this agenda of banning all IC cars by 2035 with no clean fuel clause. You think converting currently existing IC cars to electric is gonna be cheap and easy for the population? Guesed wrong. It never is with such things. Specially when theyre pushing so hard for sales of EVs so manufacturers arent kicked with absurd tariffs. And to top it all off, most of the world power grid is still fossil fuel. Wheres the pressure to change those? Wheres the nuclear power plant plans? Why are we still fearmongering those and thinking wind and solar will carry everything when they just cant? (Wind power super bad btw)
-and on a less important but still a culture part of cars in general; EVs are boring, soulless and bring no joy of driving or even in the art of creating their powertrains as theyre all the same with no considerable diference, meaning sports and race cars lose everything that make them exciting other than pure speed which is not everything specially for sportscars.
you're right with one thing...and that is that the "gravytrain" ofVW is gonna hit the buffers pretty soon...one way or another....and other german car makers will be strongly affected too.....
When the first one collapses (VW?) it will remove a competitor for what is left standing (Peugeot, Renault, BMW, Daimler?), as there will remain some demand for ICE vehicles for the next few years.
That will give those that remain a small breathing space to reconfigure their businesses.
If they are competent enough to take it.
never seen toyota and honda so low in sales record
because the list is for plug-in cars (EV and PHEV) only
The only American name even on the list is Tesla. And Japan has fallen to "non issue" status.
@@frankcoffey SAIC-GM is join venture of GM and Saic
@@undisclosedthai no, this is total cars sold in china during november, include ICE.
shanghai-VW= SAIC-VW
The funny thing is, legacy thinks they can recapture their past sales glory in the Chinese market
They have made billions upon billions off of China. If they never sale another car in China they still win
Thanks!
The environmental impact of mining and the challenges with recycling are big issues. Until there’s a better solution, it's hard to see EVs as the future.
EV battery recycling technology and factories already exist and the technology will become more mature in the next few years. Don't worry, where there is demand, there will be someone who will do it.
The environmental impact of drilling for oil and refining it, and the challenges of recycling the metal in ice vehicles are insurmountable, so it's clear that electric vehicles will take over completely.
If anything in the ground is worth money, it will be mined. No matter what it's for.
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Sam - NEWS: Lucid Gravity SUV production has officially begun and the first unit has rolled of the production line.
At least they will have 1 sale in December 😆
When will the facelifted byd seal come to aus?
Shanghai VW is the joint venture of SAIC and VW. SAIC has tree part of their business, joint venture with GM, Joint venture with VW, and their brands like Roewe and MG.
in USA market all Camry's hybrids with ICE.
Don't want a car with a tailpipe.
Hey Sam. We'd all like to see a video where you give your predictions as to which EV companies will survive the eventual shakeout in China and which ones won't.
Thanks for the vid. That was interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it
TOO MANY CAR BRANDS THEY MUST AND WILL CONSOLIDATE.
Should consider all of Geely's brands together as a consolidated figure.
Viking when are you moving to China you have already visited there twice?
The legacy car companies had to have known this was inevitable. Maybe the speed at which it happened was unexpected, but they had to have seen it coming from the beginning. The ccp wasn’t exactly concealing the plan. Every company in every industry in every country is about to experience the same thing if they haven’t already.
@steadysmv isnt tesla legacy ev.
BYD sales in Europe close to zero, facts & figures Viking 😂
Toyota Faw had 38% plus in China in november......inderdaad. facts and figures mr Viking
People need to realize what a scam buying a new car is. You lose 50% of its value in a few years, but still have to pay interest, if you don't pay everything up front.
I tried the new Aion hatchback/ It a good car for the money - the highest spec car has decent autonomous driving too.
Decent video
Im investing in (ZK) stock, they will take the previous highs in 2025
Tariff on ev will make china the future while us and allies will lag behind in technology. This will be the first time since the dark age in Europe such a event is taking place. Once in a event in a millenium
America will look like Cuba, nursing along decades old vehicles because it's disconnected from the technology of the markets around it.
Trump will fix it! Breed horses! .
if you are wondering why EU made electric cars have clunky software due to their crap OS systems .... this will open your eyes as to why .... they don't even have a sovereign OS system in their PC networks ..... you just have to shake your head in disbelief
"The petitioner calls for the European Union to actively develop and implement a Linux-based operating system, termed ‘EU-Linux’, across public administrations in all EU Member States.
This initiative aims to reduce dependency on Microsoft products, ensuring compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), and promoting transparency, sustainability, and digital sovereignty within the EU. "
How many software engineers has the entire EU compared to China?
most of these smaller Chinese companies mill merge or get acquired by bigger companies in order stay alive. its not only bad for legacy automakers.
that is true.. Germany/Japan automakers will be getting worse, no more mechanical parts required. and expensive maintenance
Sam forgot his name because he's exhausted from coverage of VW's impending doom 😂
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@zes3813 wr to you too my good sir
Can you tell me if any other petrol cars are being sold in China?
China is now around 45% petrol only / 55% new energy vehicles (mostly BEV, also EREV)
Putting your skate board in frame is lame af.
My next car will definitely be a Chinese EV! Who in the right mind will still want to buy a new ICE car? Used ICE car i can understand.
Who would still want to buy any kind of new car? Depreciation and payment on interest is horrible, you lose twice. Buying new car is a huge scam imo.
Chinese Brands takes around 70% market share in Nov while those international brands ( vw,toyota,....) have only 30%. traditional brands is loosing the market share dramatically.
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Interesting data. Legacy automakers look boring. Like, hey, let's take our ICE car and put a battery in it, that seems like a doom loop. I love the little $4,000 sub compact. If somebody made a $12,000 EV in the US and it qualified for the $7,500 tax incentive, it would fly off the shelves. Sure, margins are low, but you'd make good volume profits. Sam is wrong on one think. He says China is going to kick legacy EV makers out of the country. He's the GOAT on EVs but not well-schooled in geopolitics. China will Definitely Not forcibly remove those JV partners. Declining sales may cause them to withdraw, but they won't be kicked out! It would take too long to explain why. I'm hoping he just misspoke.
Correct. Chinese consumers who stop buying will cause legacy OEMs to exit the Chinese market. That said, China's government can accelerate this by advancing climate goals to permanently ban ICE imports starting 2025.
Time for any EV company to start selling to Canada
With the tariffs there is a huge shortage of EV for sale in Canada . Car lots in many cases have 1 or 2 cars on the lot to look at .
Thank America for your lack of EVs. Mexico, OTOH, is awash in affordable Chinese EVs.
100% tariff!
Yes I know bad timing I was about to buy a BYD . I wanted one ASAP . Before Trump took power and perhaps PP in Canada . He is pro oil so we will never see one
Many of these cars have a one day registration. Cars not sold n China are all over the Place
Shanghai Volkswagen is a joint venture with SAIC (Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation). It is called this way for easier distinction 😅
Wuling is less than 5% of SGMW. The business is a subsidiary of GM with SAIC and Wuling having a slient investment of 50% of the company.
Shanghai-VW is a joint company of SAIC and VW. SAIC is again a silent investor, with this being basically a VW subsidiary.
The reason the local investment exists is to comply with Chinese law that demands 50% local ownership.
SAIC Holdings, which owns Nanjing (MG) and LDV, is a 50/50 holding with GM. All the vehicles it produces are GM designs made under licence. The ICE engines are supplied by GM China, a nomiinal subsidiary of SAIC Holdings which is 100% owned by GM. As for electric, they use Chinese batteries, but all the designs, systems and switchgear is made under licence or supplied by GM.
This is mostly incorrect. I once did a corporate chart of SAIC Group and you can find it at Carnewschina / The Big Read - SAIC part 2 - The bigger the better.
SAIC Group is mostly owned by the city of Shanghai and a little by the city of Nanjing. About 25% of the shares are freely traded on the Shanghai stock exchange.
SAIC-GM is the major joint venture between SAIC Group and GM (50% each). They make Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac.
SAIC-GM-Wuling is a SAIC Group subsidiary (they own 50,1%) and consolidated in the books of SAIC Group. SAIC Group bought the Wuling passenger car production (but not the Wuling Company, that still exists independently as Guangxi Automobile) around 2000, with GM as additional investor. SGMW later introduced Baojun, which was basically GM Korea (former Daewoo) products made in China. A Baojun rejuvenation a few years ago failed and now it's being rebranded as "upmarket Wuling".
SAIC Passenger Vehicles is a branch of SAIC Group and makes the MG, Roewe and Rising brands.
SAIC Maxus is wholly owned by SAIC Group.
PATAC (Pan Asia Technology Automotive Centre) is a joint venture between SAIC Group and GM (50/50) and basically the entire group's R&D centre. PATAC develops cars and technology for SAIC Passenger Vehicles, SAIC Maxus, SAIC-GM, SGMW and for GM as well, even some models or tech for the North American market. They also do ICE technology. Initially lots of it was based on GM Korea designs, but most of this tech has been replaced with upgraded, jointly developed (and owned) designs.
Interesting that Tesla is only 5th on that list
I just want to be able to buy a Wuling Cloud EV here in Australia, India and Indonesia get them and they are both right hand drive countries.
Well in America Trump is not your ev friend.
We will be lucky to keep what we have running
He might be now he's best buds with Elon.
He’s not against EVs but he knows American consumers want to be able to choose when vehicle they want to drive. There should not be any government purposely trying to tax gas cars for the sake of wanting people to go all electric like they’re doing in California or subsidizing the sale of Electric cars to make them seem more affordable to consumers or just straight up CCP subsidized brands that can produce cars at a loss because they’re backed by their government which gives them an unfair advantage to other western carmakers who play by traditional business roles and allowing the products to sell themselves and make money off them if they’re any good.
@@JDMSwervo2001 t rump is for what makes him and his friends the most money
You act like hes gonna order the military to take things away from people when the current zero emission zealotry was closer to forcebly take away IC vehicles at gunpoint from people.
EV's are the future,, unfortunately this is the present. In about a decade ( +/-) you will have a safer longer range product.
The BYDs available in Australia have a 5 star NCAP rating. I love my BYD Dolphin.
EVs are gradually getting better, and more people are buying them as they make sense to them. Someday you'll decide that the time is right for you.
Seems so, but just like gas station infrastructure followed with the ICE cars, whole new generation of nuclear powerplants and grid infrastructure needs to be developed to support mass of EVs. With robust electric grid powered by next gen nuclear powerplants and development in battery tech, there will be less and less obstacles for mass adoption.
BYD technology is far better than Tesla. Tesla also look very old fashioned and tired.
I think Sam means BYD techs are older/worse than other Chinese EV companies such as Zeekr, Xpeng, Nio, Li, Avatr, etc. (They are also more premium level than BYD.)
Yeah only BYD is not better tech than Tesla. What the fuck are you talking about? Seen any independent reviews of kwh/km of BYD seal Vs Tesla 3 Highland? There is literally more or less a 2:1 advantage in range per electron on the Tesla.
Tesla M3 Highland literally has a comparable efficiency at negative 24 degree average than a BYD seal in the norweigian summer ua-cam.com/video/oAiJ8GezlGc/v-deo.html
They are so far apart they do not meaningfully compare. BYD make fine batteries, but the software suite and efficiency tech is inferior to Tesla, let alone VW for that matter. Try compare the efficiency of ID7 to BYD seal. ID7 wins by a wide margin.
Now, that VW cannot make EVs efficiently and earn money is another matter, and one that will ultimately lead to VWs downfall. But vehicle for vehicle, BYDs are not the best.
We can't buy Communist cars in the USA, so Kia is the technology leader here.
I have a very interesting question relating to EV charging. In sub-zero weather countries (Northern Hemisphere); what happens when you charge an EV in very cold weather and then drive home to park the EV in a heated garage? Does the fact that a great temperature difference in the BMS ( which would undoubtedly now read a much higher charge in the battery bank) not cause this scenario to create a dangerous situation? Since batteries perform less efficiently in cold weather, I believe that conditions in which you charge an EV in that cold temperature and then enter a heated garage might explain why some batteries may overheat (even when not charging).
Finland has been running lots of EVs without overheating problem. Sodium batteries work fine in cold weather.
You'd have to ask an experienced battery engineer because all batteries are different. Some early ones (Bolt) were crap and shorted out into thermal runaway. Your garage is not going to be very warm if it's subzero outside, either. Just above freezing melts the snow off, anyway.
@@jamesvandamme7786 The biggest thermal cycle issues aren't in northern Europe, they're in the middle east. Cars are kept in air-conditioned garages, then go out onto blazing hot pavement where the high temps rapidly degrade battery life without active battery cooling systems.
What happened to Polestar? Are all owners of the $ having software problems?
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Objective, analytical and very good research
Are you sure the 'wholesale' part of the sales chart isn't somthering the results?
Sam. Can you do a video on the effect of an EMP on EVs being sold today?
It'll be the same as the effect on modern computerized ICE vehicles sold today. Unlike 50 years ago, there aren't any pure analog cars left.
@@ZweiZwolf EVs might be better shielded because of the inverter noise.
To be fair, China makes it extra difficult for people to buy ICEs.
Not really. Chinese EVs forced ICEs to reduce the price, making it easy & cheaper to buy an ICE.
EVs without swap is a bad solution. If the battery dies year 9 you need to purchase a new battery + pay up to $3k for the work.
That does usually not make economical sense, hence the car is scrap.
With a NIO / Onvo with swap and battery as a service, the economic life of the car is not determined by the battery.
That is a huge reduction in risk. Have fun buying a second hand Tesla that can turn wortless over night when (not if) the battery fails. EVs with swap are a better solution.
How is that different from an ICE? Also - battery prices are droppping and will continue to drop.
Because EV battery technology is developing very quickly, it is possible that the price of batteries used in EVs will drop by 20-25% in the next 8-10 years.
@@Balance1973 Swap makes EVs more different (better) from ICE. An ICE is too complex to automatically swap in 3 minutes. Maybe prices will drop a bit...but a car today is probably the same price in purchasing power as 1970...
@@agusedyanto3324 Maybe, buy even with a 20 % drop, at what second hand car value is manually changing a battery out of the question? A good new computer today is about €2k. A good computer 20 years ago was...? It was about the same in terms of purchasing power.
I.e. a meaningful price drop with regard to my narrative is not a given...it is rather unlikely. I mean, even if batteries drop by 50% it is still a significant sum to spend on an old car.
Plus the labour cost if the EV does not have battery swap.
I am not going to swap the brand new battery in my brand new car for a second hand used battery.
A battery failure in an old EV would be no different that an engine failure in an old ICE
A bit repetitive…
In previous videos, you have pointed out that citizens in China need a permit to buy a new car. Could it be that the Chinese government is reducing legacy car sales, by refusing or delaying the permits needed to buy them?
Chinese citizens do not need a special "permit" to buy a new car. In China, purchasing a new car requires following a certain process and regulations, including providing identity proof, purchase invoice, vehicle qualification certificate, insurance certificate, tax payment proof, and other documents for vehicle registration. In some major cities, such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen, due to vehicle purchase restrictions, citizens need to register and participate in a lottery to obtain a car purchase quota before they can buy a car. This is not a "permit" process, but rather an allocation process for car purchase quotas. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say that Chinese citizens need a "permit" to buy a new car. In fact, they need to follow the regulations and procedures for vehicle registration and licensing.
yep, but just in mega city, oil cars will make air pollution problem, you know there are 240K population city, but other city, you can also buy oil car as usual.
no, 24000k, not 240k, lol~
Only a few cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen are subject to this restriction because there are too many people. There are over a hundred cities and vast rural areas in China, so feel free to buy.
the 'permit' is car plate, it isn't to target legacy cars. it is to reduce carbon emision. so they ease the car plate for EV. all EV in china get easier car plate, include VW, BMW, TESLA, etc.
Sam, enjoy the channel. Except for one thing. You include a ton of statictics but they are not consistent. You talk about BYD making lots of EVs but later drop the fact that you have included hybrids. You talk about hybrids and plug-in hybrids but I never know which one you mean. IMHO you should only use the term EV for pure battery cars.
BYD's Dual Mode vehicles are EVs with all-electric range that generally exceeds the 1st gen battery EVs like the Nissan Leaf, so they should be counted as EVs with range extenders.
@@ZweiZwolf Anything with a tailpipe should not be counted as an EV. But BYD doesn't break them out in sales numbers.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Anything that completes full trips entirely on battery is an EV. An EREV that is 100% battery for errands and daily drives is an EV. If every car had 20-miles / 30 kms all-electric range, that could cover something like 80-90% of all trips. Big Oil is the one pushing for only counting BEVs as "EVs" because they are very well aware that PHEVs and EREVs would completely decimate them.
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Electric car problems
I’m not even considering this change to EV now at all due to the obvious disadvantages but was mindful of the possible cost savings on petrol. However now I realise these savings would be negated by charging point installation and purchase and apparently my house and car insurance cost increase. Furthermore I hear that more and more hospitals etc and now possible car parks are going to refuse entry to EV’s due to increased weight/fire risk…really? BTW way I think you may be like marmite. Whilst I love your quirkiness and content my wife does not. Should I consider a divorce?
Legislation introduced to limit manufacturers to only be able to charge their own vehicles only
EV’s are now require vehicle tax
Congestion charge
will be brought in for EV’s
Ridiculously high repair costs
Here’s some of my thoughts on EV’s. Not comprehensive but hoping it’s not misinformation. You tell me. I Can’t think of any positives so perhaps you out there can help there too. Apparently they’re nippy off the mark for boy racers I’m told but that drains the battery faster. I’m no Luddite nor am I anti EV really as I lease but surely there is some truth in the following that by far outweighs the benefits:
Governments prosperous EV mandate.
EV companies collapsing monthly.
High cost of repairs
Limited charging infrastructure.
Broken charging infrastructure
Range anxiety
Lack of fast chargers
High charging costs
Higher risk of fire with EV’s
Higher risk of injuries in accidents
They’re not that good in cold weather
There weight may mean a future ban in older multi story car parks
No mandate for new home build charger installations
No faith in governments that told us to buy diesels
Hospitals and other public service buildings are increasingly banning EV’s
There throw away like mobiles and ironically are harming the environment.
The poor people who have to mine the lithium, cobalt etc
We have to import most of our power/fossil fuel to charge EV’s et al.
People who are stuck with EV’s having lost half there value and more in two years telling us how great they are.
Diesel powered chargers and batteries charging EV’s nonsense
Lack of spare parts
Extreme depreciation
People seem to be going back to ICE in big numbers……
Increased tyre wear
Technology being outdated so quickly
What will happen when we get more power cuts House and car insurance costs going sky high
People who can’t use
home chargers
Red tape using car Ferry’s
People who can can’t afford high cost of purchase and installation of home EV chargers
High maintenance costs
Small number of approved SME maintenance and repair garages that includes a lack dedicated dealership service network
All subsidies are slowly being removed
Apparently Quentin Willson was labelled a t**t and should be ignored
Just a few off the top of my head. All this gained from my research and not cut and pasted. None of this is from the fully charged nor the BBC.
At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that is never addressed that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, (google it) increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage. Learn the truth here:
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Good to see you anti-science deniers are still hanging on. It's so amusing.
@@dylanthomas12321 Our annual emissions equate to no more than a couple of extra CO2 molecules per tree leaf on the planet. Consider that every living thing on the planet on the land, in the sea and in the air is composed of carbon compounds that were once in the air as CO2. The claim that it is only our "emissions" that remain in the air and accumulate year on year, nature cannot cope with our contribution or that the carbon cycle was somehow magically in perfect equilibrium before we started to burn coal and oil is a complete fairy tale designed to fool the gullible. And here you are.
What does trap heat then?
Something traps enough heat to keep our planet at a temperature that supports human life.
That has been found to be what we call Greenhouse Gasses.
How?
Energy from the sun reaches this planet in a broad spectrum of frequencies.
When it enters our atmosphere it warms the ground and the oceans.
As the Earth rotates those parts facing the sun and already warmed now become hotter than space and would normally return all that heat energy back to space very quickly, resulting in a frozen planet.
But that energy is no longer broad spectrum. Instead the Earth emits this low energy heat as Infra Red.
CO2 allows in a broad spectrum of energy. But it tends to block Infra Red, keeping out planet warm, warmer than the frozen wastes of Space.
Without that small amount of CO2 (200ppm+) in the atmosphere we could not have survived.
But in a mere couple of hundred years we humans had increased CO2 by 50%.
50% is an enormous increase in a delicately balanced system.
Small amounts of substances can have outsized effects.
Think of vitamins.
Or poisons.
Oh dear, they’re out of the basement again!
@@mikemalone9678 Dr Markus Ott explains 'greenhouse' theory, why it is garbage and presents a more plausible explanation of the planet's temperature:
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Only common sense and logic needed for comprehension, No PHD required. There is no 'greenhouse effect', therefore no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas'.
Other videos in the series at:
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The world changed a little starting in 2016 with Trump. Then Covid shut the lid , and now Trump again just hammered the last nail in the coffin
The planet will never be the same again
EV's have as much personality as most (not all) who would buy one. The Dunning-Kruger effect has infected the world. It is no surprise a controlled and compliant society is churning out the most vehicles of this type.
I want a car that gets me where I want to go, when I want to go.
Every time.
I leave "personality" to those who don't mind being stranded by the side of the road because they buy into brand marketing, and pay over the odds for that.
You've been sniffing your exhaust a bit too much
@@mikemalone9678 I want a car with no transmission or complicated engine. Most EVs besides Tesla look fine to me. As for noise, smell, and vibration, I don't need that kind of "personality".
I've a Kia EV6, it's every bit as enjoyable to drive and my previous hot hatches, Astra GTE(1990 mk2 owned 30 years ago) , Almera SRi, Mondeo ST24, Subaru impreza, Focus ST, Fiesta ST (2019 MK8 owned up to last year). It drives differently but is just as much fun and having no noise means you can drive enthusiastically without drawing attention ;-)
@@beyondfossil Don't worry, those child laborers will continue to mine your cobalt so that you can comfortably delude yourself that there is no environmental downside to your choices. Dunning-Kruger- it was stated with purpose.
Derisking is now happening.
EV? Nah pass
Strange that you would come onto the comments section of an EV UA-cam channel to post this. I wonder why? 😂
@ o sorry , I beg permission to bow into your direction!
Why?
Nobody ever explains.
Faw Toyota had a very good november month in China, plus 38%....... that must be painful for mr Viking.
Cherry-picking a single data point are you? Like a freak April snowfall in the US eliminates all concerns of climate warming…
@paulb6736 don't be dumb.
@@avdp9095 ok. Then don’t make dumb comments
FYI the ZEEKR is a sounds a lot like word 'dick' in Malay, so we don't import that model to Malaysia.
Car company...NOT... 100% Chinese government!
There are many private car companies in China such as Xiaomi and GWM.
@@agusedyanto3324 Fantasy statement
None of Musk's companies would survive without huge US government funds, in one form or another.
@@mikemalone9678 Nor would the oil companies.
The ability to repair these Chinese EVs is very difficult because of a lack of spare parts. You may have to wait a long long time.
Try repairing a Tesla or other EV. The low volumes have almost no spares. We looked at the Chevy Volt and Bolt, and there are no controllers or replacement packs available.
Why would they be different from ICE cars? Except they are much less complicated.
@@jamesvandamme7786EVs are not less complicated the only difference is unlike an ice vehicle powertrain there’s thousands of moving parts but in an EV all the complexity lies in the battery
@@JDMSwervo2001 Many of the ICE parts are unique and they are mechanically wearing. And a failure of 1 part incapacitates an engine.
Batteries are made with replicating assemblies, are electronic instead of mechanical, and redundant.
You can argue philosophy all you want but what matters is actual reliability figures. Motors are better than engines plus transmissions.
If China had favorable demographics they would be unstoppable. But I predict they will peak at a GDP per capita of around $20,000 while the continent of Europe's will fall to an average of around $25,000 to $30,000 as they lose most industries to China. The US will continue to grow and remain dominant.
What will continue to grow in the US are its debt levels, protectionism and inflation 😂
@@agusedyanto3324 US debt levels can be brought under control by not playing global policeman.
The US only plays global policeman to protect the interests of its corporations.
@@WillieFungo Defense isn't a big enough component of GDP that it would make a huge difference. We're not fighting any wars now, and giving a bunch of old stuff to Ukraine to use up.
Bringing back advanced semiconductors through the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act will do a lot for USA industry.
@@jamesvandamme7786 I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm saying spending $800 billion annually on defense is causing the US debt problems.
Luckily the "Electric Viking" will give an honest review about the Chinese economy soon as well..I mean other "honest commentators" don't think it's doing very well... honestly. Apparently their EV's are good though.
Driving an EV has economic payback for the consumer.
The chinese govt is loving it
@@kenbehrens5778it actually does lol
Great video. Don’t say “you know.” It adds NOTHING to the sentence or the video. Plus, you’re talking to a camera, not a person. Learn to distinguish.
It takes some effort yes, but you will be a better speaker once you put that effort in.
Hi electric Viking
Can you do a video on the reliability based on how these Chinese cars are doing in China.
I have seen some brands having problems deploying airbags driverless systems failing catching fire etc which brands will survive the transition etc
Understand Chinese will force Chinese to buy Chinese however which brand is the most likely to survive and not be worthless in 5 years
I wonder will these cars do 10 years -200,000 miles? I doubt it
Only time will tell. There's no reason to think they won't. Lithium ion batteries are expected to last 10 to 20 years
The new Chinese cars come with 10 yr guarantee and most with 1 million miles warranty!!
@@ala-hc4rxMy MG Cyberster and other MG EV models in Thailand come with a "LIFETIME" warranty on the controllers, motors, and battery. No details in the warranty agreement so not sure how "LIFETIME" is defined
@@mauriceflowers3639 Lots of ICE auto's can't either
LOL
Plug IN hybrids aren’t real EVs 😂
Doesn’t matter legacy auto still cooked
What you talked about is the Japanese hybrids, which are ice-based technology with less than 10km battery range, while Chinese hybrids are battery-based technology, which usually have 100 km battery range or more. Toyota is getting the Byd hybrid license.
.......and Tesla auto.
keep on posting your daily lies ah ah.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What the hell is this person on about. I have watched a couple of his posts and it's the same shyte with different titles.
If that’s true why are you watching?
@ISuperTed why are you, but they do say ignorance is bliss!!!!!!!!!
again you are full of crap,only 15% of NEV sales are pure EV the rest are hybrid and still ice cars,also total NEV sales represent 51% of new cars sold in China the other 49% are still gas powered cars.
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