Thank you for creating and sharing these clips. I’ve seen the show this interview was conducted for, but seeing the extended material is a real joy. I know dad would have been humbled, honored and flattered at being remembered like this.
Thank you Caleb for what you have said. I know from the experience I had with your dad that he would be proud of this. In some ways it may have been his best interview. And now it lives on UA-cam essentially, hopefully, forever. David Hoffman filmmaker
@Caleb Oglesby your father seemed like an incredible man! He is able to describe his time and place in the turbulent 60’s like no one I’ve ever heard before. As a guy in his twenties who is politically active I feel like right now is so unique but listening to Vietnam and civil rights protestors talk about sixties reminds me that some things never change… I would have loved to sat down and spoken with him. Cheers
@@louisianapatriot5818 it's a shame because Dave has never gotten the credit that he deserves. Thankfully his channel is starting to change that some but I doubt that the industry will ever acknowledge him properly.
@@louisianapatriot5818 he's definitely ruffled some feathers but honestly he does it in a way that proves he's good at his craft....... I worked in the industry before getting married as a fixer and camera man and a few guys I knew showed me his work. But it was nearly impossible to find outside of his PBS work from when PBS was actually quite neutral....... I really miss working in the business though. But my wife at the time hated me spending so much time away in dangerous locations. Luckily she didn't stop me from working on the long way round with Russ Malkin. But I had to tum down the long way down because my first was due. But now that I'm single again and my girls are older I'm looking to get back into it because I miss the travel and adventure.
With all we have with historical information and perspective, why are we continually rinsing and repeating catastrophic failures while expecting different results without recognizing the insanity of it all?
We keep empowering the same scoundrels…however, I must say I think this November may offer a way out from under the Koch Heads holding us hostage and impeding progress in the name of big oil, big coal, big steel and big copper. Their jig may be up.
So grateful for this channel. At 62 my head is still always somewhere in those two critical decades, the 60s and 70s, and I see things everyday that have direct connection to the things that happened then. To what is left of my days until the end, I will continue to try to unravel the very many threads that wove the fabric of an incredibly complicated time. The youth also started the #NODAPL movement in 2016, and it was targeted and deceased children's moms that started BLM. We have to yell when people don't listen. 50 years later and they are still killing us. It's fcking tedious and I'm tired. We tried putting flowers in their gun barrels and look what happened. For me I think I've reached that burn out part, finally. Literally the cops ran me down in the street in 2011and now I'm forever in a wheel chair. That seems to be their MO nowdays, just run unfavorable pedestrians over with your car, out of nowhere, not even during a protest. No lawyer would touch the case lol I still do stuff online but it takes the wind out of your sails and my boots on the ground days are over. Now I'm the research and propaganda department lol You watch things march on as if none of our sacrifices had been made. Are you tired my dude? I'm so tired lol
"The youth also started the #NODAPL movement in 2016, and it was targeted and deceased children's moms that started BLM." Where are these founders now? Living in mansions funded with money donated to them to fight racism. The Civil Rights Movement has been taken over by grifters.
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What a great interview! I vividly remember the 60s, but you rarely hear it from this perspective. I was 12 in 1968 and very much into politics, out of necessity. My brother was in Vietnam at the time and I was convinced that I would be drafted and sent there at 17. The war was constantly escalating and I couldn't believe that it would ever end. I also remember the body count on the news every night. Because more Viet Cong were getting killed than Americans, they made us believe that we were winning. I remember the saying, "My country, right or wrong". I remember Nixon's promise to end the war during his re-election campaign, and his slogan, "Nixon, now more than ever", and I completely bought into it because I wanted this war to end. I also remember Watergate, and fully believed Nixon knew nothing about it. When he resigned was the exact moment I became clinical. I really wanted to join these protesters because I believed we had no business fighting someone else's war, and young American men shouldn't be dying for a country halfway around the world, and I didn't want my brother or myself to be one of them. But the violence during demonstrations was frustrating because I knew they wouldn't be winning anyone over that way. It was a confusing time and completely divided the country.
Sadly I was draftable. I went to college but dropped out to face the draft but not go to Vietnam. It has affected my life negatively everyday since. I am proud of my resistance but my soul is “filled with hope and despair alike to this day.”
I loved the nonviolent approach. I cut my hair and joined the workforce after I got my 4F. I didn’t believe in the violence of the Weathermen too. I joined a meditation cult. That didn’t work either. Then I became a conservative. Now I realize nothing will work. Humankind is beyond the pale of a decent world.
While stationed at Camp Pendleton in the Marines I witnessed a Gunnery Sergeant (E-7) get kicked out for not being aggressive or "Gung Ho" enough, smh'. This story is totally believable...
@@c.b.-11 thank u for your service and sacrifice 🙏 u have made ,I appreciated all of our veterans and may our Creator keep u safe and healthy ,,blessings to u and your family...
@@williampierce4513 Yeah', tell me about it. I was shocked when he told me that. I even read some of his "paperwork". This was around 1992-93 so obviously by now I don't remember every detail, but yeah'. Also, keep in mind the Marine Corps is the only branch that can and will discharge you from service strictly based on your "appearance". I know or sounds weird but it's a fact.
My gosh this was interesting! Through the years you've had such an impeccable eye for who to interview & exactly which questions to ask! It never ceases to amaze me just how good you are at this, with so many great interviews, this one is surely no exception, I really enjoyed it, I get totally enthralled with these kind of videos, thanks so much David! (Each of my "super thanks" are coming soon) ✌😎✌
I’m only 25 and watching your video is like finding a gem while walking down the street thank you for uploading these videos so they always stay in the world
Wow, another gem. These folks really offer a lot of insight that I think is still relevant. It would be interesting to hear what this man has to say about todays clusterfuck.
All wars are about money! The war mongers Bush & Cheney proved that by getting us into the war in the Middle East. And it looks like war monger Biden & his family have huge ties to China and Ukraine! Nancy Pelosi too! Crooked politicians get us into these wars. I hope people wake up! Otherwise America, the last free country, will be taken over by socialism. Socialism has never worked, and it never will!
One of my favorite interviews from one of my favorite UA-cam channels. This video and so many others in your catalogue have helped me to make some sense of the past sixty years of American politics, and for that I thank you. Keep doing what you’re doing!
It is possible Mr David H that your unique collected works are going to require there own section at the Smithsonian. Thank you for making the world better by showing it back to us as you do here. Thank you.
David, thanks for posting this. I miss dad everyday, and being able to hear him here is amazing. I’d give anything to listen to him talk about our current situation. -Caleb Oglesby
Again, extremely powerful content David. It’s incredible how many of your documentaries are directly intertwined with current events regarding youth movements, inner city struggle etc.
Thank you Yan for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that UA-cam is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts. David Hoffman filmmaker
I recall some of this interview from the PBS series Making Sense of the 60s. I was a wee lad in my single digits from 1960 to 1969. I knew about the American war in Vietnam. My dad was a journalist, so the b&w TV news was on every evening. Anyway thanks for this extended interview. I'll have to remain a subscriber for now. Still don't have credit, A house or indoor plumbing yet on my property. I am a part of the American experiment. God help us all
I was born in 55 and I grew up on the viet nam war! It was very personal to me as I had friends who were forced to go there. Some of he stories I heard were dreadful , and damaging to anyone who was there! War is ugly and we knew just how ugly! I was scared for every American ,not only who fought in that war , but their families that were damaged by it. So many losses!
My parents were Kennedy worshipers, as was the whole family. I watched Bobby get murdered live on tv. It really scared me. It was so shocking and I’m still a little shook when I think about it.
I think I'm beginning to understand the esteem you have for Carl Oglesby, Dave. Such a calm, razor sharp lens through which to look back on what happened in our brush with that cyclical "60s phenomenon" that Carl said just happens every few generations. And even though they probably irritated the calm and very serious-minded Carl with their outlandish pranks and their frivolous irreverence, the Yippies actually had a very similar view to Carl's on a great many of the things he most disliked in the SDS and in the wider movement. Especially violence. Some of the Yippies knew the Weathermen when their violence was still theoretical, but that was (and remains) the great fork in the road for all of us. What means justify what ends?
Wow Mr Hoffman that’s amazing because it’s so different from everything I thought about those protesting that war. Your written description of Mr Oglesby is equally thoughtful & insightful. You made him a complete human being who had reasonable views on other subjects & focused on the ending the war instead of a caricature of a hippie who thought he had all the answers on every issue that involved radically destroying & changing every aspect of our system. Oglesby was so reasonable & Eldridge Cleaver obviously respected him & saw his leadership abilities in a world where being reasonable was sometimes cast aside in favor of who yelled loudest. Mr Hoffman your talent & knowledge comes through in all of your work. Excellent interview that wouldn’t have been nearly as engaging but for you being involved. Thank you.
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The human potential has been held back by a select few whom want to remain disproportionately wealthier than the rest and will do absolutely anything to maintain that wealth.
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Hi David, I remember a few of these guys' testimonies on Ken Brurn's Vietnam. Did he use your films as a source? I love your content, the messages carry so much weight. The young people must be taught these stories. ✌️🙂
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO..... I am 74 years old, this man is absolutely eloquent in the description of the experiences and hopes of my generation. I wish this could go on Twitter and every 20, 30, 40 year old could start to think about the Real Reality of this government. We created the Environmental Protection Agency and here we are 60 Years later with polluted air, water, soil and our food supply is a disaster. When the jobs went to China and gutted the middle class I hoped for a real revolution, alas we got Trump and Jan. 06. Now we have Gates buying all the farmland with no commitment to producing food without chemicals and doing crop rotation. We desperately need a government that is not corrupted by capitalism. We need a capitalism that want to support the EPA, public education and cultural activities.
Fantastic as usual. I don't know about all his conjecture of "trying the electorate first" before turning to violence. I remember the history of Labor organization in the early part of the Twentieth Century (and much further back in our country and in others) that peaceful organization was always met with force and until blood was spilt not much (politically) could happen. Full disclosure: I'm not for violence, I'm just for realizing that history gives really good cues for the future. Also I'm no historian nor a Marxist dialecticist nor an economist but it sure does seem every grand movement/transformative uprising meets the its match in Capital/Status Quo/Traditionalism and it's a violent dance.
It was good to hear this man speak. I remember the movements, the feelings in all of them. Especially the "home made" elements of them. Thank you. Everything's more violent now, more fantasy-driven. Maybe our bunch was successful exposing the two faces of power, "the hand that mocked them and the heart that fed."
Well, certainly the police have become more violent - or is that we just have a new way to watch them that we didn't have back then? We are just watching them do what they always did, and when the internet came along and put a spotlight on their outrageous behavior, it made it that much harder for them to get away with it. Derek Chauvin would have gone free without the internet, bet on it.
"all-time independent filmmaker" all-time independent, is a rare thing in our times. I feel that somehow you have a bigger role in the www. Entertaining education, truthful, informative, factual, +INTERESTING, sane, violence-free, honest, clarity, and all the subjects are ever so necessary education, right now. You, the most INTERESTING filmmaker of our times. Have a mentioned you are a great teacher too? Make that, a professor, for your many fields!
YES! "We have to conduct our own affairs, or we will have those affairs conducted for us." Little did he know then, that the new masters would be called " algorithms."
clairvoyance without being clairvoyant. The ending sums it all up for what we are dealing with now. Too bad we sold out for convenience to neglect challenging power and holding their feet to the fire and we’re at the tipping point again. I wish we’d snap out of our bubble!
Bach in the 60s, I attended a local college chapter meeting, naively thinking it was an open discussion, asked a (to me) serious question for clarification. I was immeadiatly shut up on a procedural technicality and the basis that I was not already a member of the SDS and thus ineligible to participate in the meeting or discussion. The tone made it clear I was not welcome. I must say, I looked more like a republican John Bircher to them. I looked like "the enemy". It was one if many times I had been judged erroneously based upon surface appearances. The SDS was the victim of both it's inexperience and it's insularity. Two years later, I was in Viet Nam. (Not because I wanted to be there - few of us did) No, we weren't baby killers. Wars are started by arrogant old men who send the the young men and women to fight in it. One way or another, the people always pay the price for/of war.
Its incredible that how a humble social movement can flourish then as time marches, certain individuals want to take it to an extreme. I'm 24 yrs and participated in marches in the last 5 years. I can attest that there's internal fighting in movements all because a small handful want to amp up the environment that may result in risky actions and behavior.
I don't know if Carl is alive today. I wonder what he would think of our government today. I was twenty three when I left Vietnam and I protested against the war.
Looks like the same guy you had on before talking about the Vietnam war and the protest that was going on. Looks good but the the same video I think. Thanks for sharing this video David Hoffman film maker.👍👍🙂📸✌️
Interesting how, in his telling, LBJ just magically dropped his re-election bid in March of ‘68, “opening the way for Bobby Kennedy”. It was Eugene McCarthy’s lonely, gutsy, and shockingly strong challenge to the President in New Hampshire, starting in Dec. ‘67, that made LBJ drop out. And multiple contemporary accounts of those years make clear McCarthy only ran because RFK (and McGovern) wouldn’t. Given RFK’s undeniable talents and appeal, and his tragic end, it’s uncomfortable but necessary to point out that he doesn’t deserve to be put high on the white stallion he is retrospectively placed on. He didn’t have the guts to make the challenge when Lowenstein and others were begging him to, but was happy to swoop in once the “king” (LBJ) had been toppled by McCarthy and the opportunities clear for all to see. (And RFK actually acknowledged this, see Doris Kearns Goodwin’s An Unfinished Love Story among other sources… and DKG and her husband were definitely in the Kennedy camp.)
Enjoy both part 1 and part 2 of Carl Oglesby interview. as you know the 1960's were an extraordinary and turbulence times to be a live in Carl touch on some very interesting points of the antiwar movement. As you may remember The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, that ran on CBS from fall of 1967 to the spring of 1969 got the axe Tom and Dick were fired from CBS for being too controversial about the Vietnam War and other topics of the times. May Carl and his father be at peace with one another in the afterlife. Carl Oglesby July 30, 1935 - September 13, 2011, Thanks David Hoffman.
In an alternate universe they got an RFK Presidency with an MLK in the cabinet. Would have fixed a lot of social problems and set us on a far different trajectory. Brilliant interviewee. Thanks for the video.
Very interesting inside take on what was going on in the mid-late 60’s with the protests. I agree that Bobby Kennedy would have become president, and what’s interesting is that he would be considered a conservative right wing politician in today’s radical left political climate. I was in college when he was assassinated, and remember I being so distraught and feeling hopeless. Great interview and insight.
I was in middle to high school when all this was going on and I remember adults saying "What in the hell are those kids doing?" to both SDS and the Weathermen and i wasnt really paying attention to the news. At my age now I too question where were the a dults. Didn't anyone agree with the SDS?
This guy's assessment of progressivism in the 60s is near perfect. The biggest problem was that ours is a spoiled generation--thinking we could actually fix tragic human failings built into human nature and institutions since the dawn of time--especially that it could be done quickly. All the people who actually made a step forward in civilization realized change against gigantic forces takes generations and often entails total sacrifice (you know, gradualists such as MLK, Gandhi, Susan B. Anthony) and it also entails seeing your own mistakes. When your generation fails you MUSTN't just retreat--you need to learn from your own shortcomings and keep going. The perfect is not just the enemy of the possible--it generates backlash (the cultural attitudes that fuel such monstrosities as Trump).
I'm Gen X born 1971 to young boomers in California Bay Area. My dad was a conscientious objector, and my grandmother counselled thousands of young men about the draft, then about registering for the draft, over decades. This is fascinating. I'm interested in these topics that I feel are widely avoided by boomers. I have read and heard about the strongly misogynistic thread running through the antiwar and civil rights movements. Maybe you can point me to a film that addresses that. Sometimes there's discussion about the way the boomers were raised, which was a very new thing because of strong economy, the new phenomenon called "teenagers", that y'all were more sheltered and privileged than any previous generation in the US. Thus the innocence and naivety you describe. Nixon sure did show his ass with Watergate. I think it was made much clearer that politicians run their own agendas and railroad the people. I agree with his assessment of the impact of Watergate. Hippie/yippee/peacenik boomers have changed the culture in countless ways, and growing up in the shadows of that influence has kept me fascinated my whole life. Sometimes judgmental as well. I believe the romantic, the nostalgic, the whole idealistic view of those feelings of community have really tarnished your legacy. I went to see Across the Universe with a boomer, and he came out in tears, kept saying It was just like that! I had to disbelieve him because honestly, when is real life like a freaking musical? C'mon.
I am sorry that he did not get to see what is happening now to try to protect Democracy. He would be delighted, I hope. Carl Oglesby suggested that what happened in the 1860s happened again 100 years later in the 1960s and maybe would happen in another 100 years. It is indeed, albeit a few years earlier. As one great politician said: It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Thanks David for sharing this video . . . and many others.
I see some striking similarities between Vietnam war and todays war in Ukraine - especially when he said that majority of population didnt want the war but it was continuing anyway because the goverment wanted so... The reaction of american police to antiwar protests was pretty much same as what they do in Russia these days. Also the majority of russian population is just indifferent to the war or keep saying some jingoist explanation they learned from TV... The most interisting thing to me in this video was that the protests in 60s in America were held by students because adult/old people simply didnt care. Its always students who organize large protests like if the old people of certain age dont care about politics/democracy/ideologies and take interest only in their own everyday life, going to work tommorow, watching football after work...i guess thats the "grey majority".
I was a child. When the news came on, our parents insisted we go to our rooms. I overheard my father say to my mother, My God, they are defecating on the White House lawn. We would peek around the corner.....to watch the news.....
A thoughtful analysis, I love his perspective, his rejection of the Weathermen lunatics, etc. But he lost me at 10:00 "If the other side was going to destroy our legitimate leaders". So is he saying he believes RFK and MLK were assassinated by "the other side"? Or is he saying that's what some believe? I don't know, conspiracy lunacy leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. In any case he said he looks to the future. Well Carl, here we are on the precipice of yet another type of civil war, but it's the 2020s, didn't need to wait until the 2060s.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker im sorry mr. hoffman as i watched the video on the first place without ever reading the description, because was excited to listen to his explanation, after asking questions, I went through Google and read his article and i was a bit in tears, to know that he had passed away in 2011. he's a good man in my opinion.
His description is almost identical to what's going on today. People are extremely violent now and it could be a minor difference of opinion and the savagery comes out. One could argue its worse because of the internet.
I wonder what he would have\did think of two of the founders of the weathermen being instrumental in the springboarding of Obama into the presidency and becoming part of the establishment?
It seems the anti-war movement did not have the spiritual and ethical integrity the Civil Rights movement had. Though it was anti-war it was not non-violent.
Many of the anti-war people loathed the idea of being personally drafted/doing any kind of military service. So it was rooted in narcissism. Whereas the civil rights movement was about empathy for others.
Just like the original civil war ended and time for reconstruction to occur, where was this man? Once the revolutionary talk died down and the second reconstruction was in dire need of started suddenly all of the older generation became the people they hate. I see older people using l redhotic of the anti war movement to justify hate or even anti democratic behavior. Just like after the civil war, when reconstruction came and black peoples had at least a sliver social mobility and started moving north away from the lands that traumatized 3-6 generations where was the abolitionist? They were voting to end reconstruction cuz too many black people where moving north. Same thing happened after the 60’s except they never saw through. Bobby Kennedy was like Lincoln being shot in the ford. Now our generation is suck with the ugly decay of the 60’s but no candidates that represent us. It’s always some old person warped by time who can’t see why the world needs that reconstruction since they’re too comfortable with the way they grew up. This guy thought that he couldn’t do shit and left but he had the choice to be able to leave it alone. If you were gay black or trans that wasn’t the case. What what is the point of the civil rights moment after all that if the same group of people want to strip gay people of their rights and have left education in. Shambles and have advocated to the dismantling of American democracy. And now we lack the larger majority. The older generations suck in their ways if half baked solutions still out vote us. And when they don’t they gerrymander us or they use social media to fill us with propaganda or they defend equations so the poor are too uneducated to understand what is going on. Clearly the Institutions at play y’all’s were rigging against just rebranded thenselfs as the Republican Party once y’all got complacent and the movement to fight them was a joke of its former self. Now we got compliment old men who can’t see why we still need that reconstruction on the left and the same old insinuations y’all were fighting in the first place in the right. We don’t have a MLK or a civil rights leader. Y’all were handed the torch after all this work and snuffed it out when y’all got too scared. That’s how you know y’all lost.
Anyone else feel like the Overton window has moved so much that this conservative from the 60s sounds like the liberals who claim to be the left today?
Thank you for creating and sharing these clips. I’ve seen the show this interview was conducted for, but seeing the extended material is a real joy.
I know dad would have been humbled, honored and flattered at being remembered like this.
You come from good stock, what a blessing!
Thank you Caleb for what you have said. I know from the experience I had with your dad that he would be proud of this. In some ways it may have been his best interview. And now it lives on UA-cam essentially, hopefully, forever.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker David it would be great if you pined Caleb Oglesby comment to the top of the comment section. 😊
@@drewpall2598 Done. Thank you. Great idea.
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@Caleb Oglesby your father seemed like an incredible man! He is able to describe his time and place in the turbulent 60’s like no one I’ve ever heard before. As a guy in his twenties who is politically active I feel like right now is so unique but listening to Vietnam and civil rights protestors talk about sixties reminds me that some things never change… I would have loved to sat down and spoken with him.
Cheers
Without people like this man, the world is a dangerous place.
I'm sure glad I found your channel. These interviews are truly a window into the past.
It doesn't blur into the present for you? lol now i feel REALLY old lol
@@louisianapatriot5818 it's a shame because Dave has never gotten the credit that he deserves. Thankfully his channel is starting to change that some but I doubt that the industry will ever acknowledge him properly.
@@louisianapatriot5818 he's definitely ruffled some feathers but honestly he does it in a way that proves he's good at his craft....... I worked in the industry before getting married as a fixer and camera man and a few guys I knew showed me his work. But it was nearly impossible to find outside of his PBS work from when PBS was actually quite neutral....... I really miss working in the business though. But my wife at the time hated me spending so much time away in dangerous locations. Luckily she didn't stop me from working on the long way round with Russ Malkin. But I had to tum down the long way down because my first was due. But now that I'm single again and my girls are older I'm looking to get back into it because I miss the travel and adventure.
With all we have with historical information and perspective, why are we continually rinsing and repeating catastrophic failures while expecting different results without recognizing the insanity of it all?
We keep empowering the same scoundrels…however, I must say I think this November may offer a way out from under the Koch Heads holding us hostage and impeding progress in the name of big oil, big coal, big steel and big copper. Their jig may be up.
Money. The ones that want power and to make money.
So grateful for this channel. At 62 my head is still always somewhere in those two critical decades, the 60s and 70s, and I see things everyday that have direct connection to the things that happened then. To what is left of my days until the end, I will continue to try to unravel the very many threads that wove the fabric of an incredibly complicated time.
The youth also started the #NODAPL movement in 2016, and it was targeted and deceased children's moms that started BLM. We have to yell when people don't listen. 50 years later and they are still killing us. It's fcking tedious and I'm tired. We tried putting flowers in their gun barrels and look what happened.
For me I think I've reached that burn out part, finally. Literally the cops ran me down in the street in 2011and now I'm forever in a wheel chair. That seems to be their MO nowdays, just run unfavorable pedestrians over with your car, out of nowhere, not even during a protest. No lawyer would touch the case lol
I still do stuff online but it takes the wind out of your sails and my boots on the ground days are over. Now I'm the research and propaganda department lol You watch things march on as if none of our sacrifices had been made. Are you tired my dude? I'm so tired lol
"The youth also started the #NODAPL movement in 2016, and it was targeted and deceased children's moms that started BLM."
Where are these founders now? Living in mansions funded with money donated to them to fight racism.
The Civil Rights Movement has been taken over by grifters.
Read Deeply: I am not tired. Contemporary experiences are fascinating and I am happy to be alive and an American at this time.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Bless your heart sir.
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@@websurfer5772 Aw you made my day, thank you!
What a great interview! I vividly remember the 60s, but you rarely hear it from this perspective. I was 12 in 1968 and very much into politics, out of necessity. My brother was in Vietnam at the time and I was convinced that I would be drafted and sent there at 17. The war was constantly escalating and I couldn't believe that it would ever end.
I also remember the body count on the news every night. Because more Viet Cong were getting killed than Americans, they made us believe that we were winning. I remember the saying, "My country, right or wrong". I remember Nixon's promise to end the war during his re-election campaign, and his slogan, "Nixon, now more than ever", and I completely bought into it because I wanted this war to end. I also remember Watergate, and fully believed Nixon knew nothing about it. When he resigned was the exact moment I became clinical.
I really wanted to join these protesters because I believed we had no business fighting someone else's war, and young American men shouldn't be dying for a country halfway around the world, and I didn't want my brother or myself to be one of them. But the violence during demonstrations was frustrating because I knew they wouldn't be winning anyone over that way. It was a confusing time and completely divided the country.
Thank you for sharing your story.
Sadly I was draftable. I went to college but dropped out to face the draft but not go to Vietnam. It has affected my life negatively everyday since. I am proud of my resistance but my soul is “filled with hope and despair alike to this day.”
I loved the nonviolent approach. I cut my hair and joined the workforce after I got my 4F. I didn’t believe in the violence of the Weathermen too. I joined a meditation cult. That didn’t work either. Then I became a conservative. Now I realize nothing will work. Humankind is beyond the pale of a decent world.
Thanks!
Thank you for the support that statement of confidence.
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While stationed at Camp Pendleton in the Marines I witnessed a Gunnery Sergeant (E-7) get kicked out for not being aggressive or "Gung Ho" enough, smh'. This story is totally believable...
Thank u for your service and sacrifice 🙏 ❤ im one that appreciate all my military members!!! 🪖 thank our Creator u made it home alive ❤
@@c.b.-11 Yes, of course..
@@c.b.-11 thank u for your service and sacrifice 🙏 u have made ,I appreciated all of our veterans and may our Creator keep u safe and healthy ,,blessings to u and your family...
why would he get kicked out for that? doesn't add up..
@@williampierce4513 Yeah', tell me about it. I was shocked when he told me that. I even read some of his "paperwork". This was around 1992-93 so obviously by now I don't remember every detail, but yeah'. Also, keep in mind the Marine Corps is the only branch that can and will discharge you from service strictly based on your "appearance". I know or sounds weird but it's a fact.
My gosh this was interesting! Through the years you've had such an impeccable eye for who to interview & exactly which questions to ask! It never ceases to amaze me just how good you are at this, with so many great interviews, this one is surely no exception, I really enjoyed it, I get totally enthralled with these kind of videos, thanks so much David! (Each of my "super thanks" are coming soon) ✌😎✌
I’m only 25 and watching your video is like finding a gem while walking down the street thank you for uploading these videos so they always stay in the world
He is such a good speaker. I can feel his coming of age, and it’s deeply sad.
Hello 👋 how are you doing?.
Thanks
Thank you Gary.
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Thank you for putting up this video, David. I really appreciate it. I love the '60s. ☮
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Wow, another gem. These folks really offer a lot of insight that I think is still relevant. It would be interesting to hear what this man has to say about todays clusterfuck.
*David Hoffman during (Vietnam protest 1960's Carl Oglesby was kicked out) appreciate your videos Listening 🌟 from Mass USA TYVM 💙*
I would have loved to hear what Oglesby thought of the last ten years.
David, what date was this recorded? Searching around ...
1989
I believe the war , which is part of my history , was all about MONEY ........ 1 Huey - $250000, etc.
It was absolutely a con to funnel taxpayer money into the defense industry. For no good purpose except racketeering.
And still is
Dammit, should've scrolled.
It’s always about $$$$$$..
All wars are about money! The war mongers Bush & Cheney proved that by getting us into the war in the Middle East.
And it looks like war monger Biden & his family have huge ties to China and Ukraine! Nancy Pelosi too! Crooked politicians get us into these wars. I hope people wake up! Otherwise America, the last free country, will be taken over by socialism. Socialism has never worked, and it never will!
One of my favorite interviews from one of my favorite UA-cam channels. This video and so many others in your catalogue have helped me to make some sense of the past sixty years of American politics, and for that I thank you. Keep doing what you’re doing!
I appreciate the support Jack.
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It is possible Mr David H that your unique collected works are going to require there own section at the Smithsonian.
Thank you for making the world better by showing it back to us as you do here. Thank you.
David, thanks for posting this. I miss dad everyday, and being able to hear him here is amazing. I’d give anything to listen to him talk about our current situation.
-Caleb Oglesby
You are welcome Caleb and thank you for commenting.
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OMG Caleb, he would have hated trump/
Incredible interview & conversation, thank you.
That was great, Mr. Hoffman. Thank you so much.
This man is unbelievably eloquent, the way he described the 60s as this turbulent civil war-like experience was eye opening.
Finally, we get a channel on UA-cam that is worth watching.. not pranking videos.
Could listen all day. Thanks, David.
What an incredible interview.
Again, extremely powerful content David. It’s incredible how many of your documentaries are directly intertwined with current events regarding youth movements, inner city struggle etc.
Hi Mr. Hoffman just wanted t say that your works in UA-cam are absolute priceless. Thank you very much for your work!
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Another amazing piece of footage! As relevant today as ever.
I recall some of this interview from the PBS series Making Sense of the 60s.
I was a wee lad in my single digits from 1960 to 1969.
I knew about the American war in Vietnam. My dad was a journalist, so the b&w TV news was on every evening.
Anyway thanks for this extended interview.
I'll have to remain a subscriber for now.
Still don't have credit,
A house or indoor plumbing yet on my property.
I am a part of the American experiment.
God help us all
This guy is so thoughtful - thanks so much for uploading.
Keep sharing!
Thank you Kris. Will do.
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I was born in 55 and I grew up on the viet nam war! It was very personal to me as I had friends who were forced to go there. Some of he stories I heard were dreadful , and damaging to anyone who was there! War is ugly and we knew just how ugly! I was scared for every American ,not only who fought in that war , but their families that were damaged by it. So many losses!
My parents were Kennedy worshipers, as was the whole family. I watched Bobby get murdered live on tv. It really scared me. It was so shocking and I’m still a little shook when I think about it.
I think I'm beginning to understand the esteem you have for Carl Oglesby, Dave. Such a calm, razor sharp lens through which to look back on what happened in our brush with that cyclical "60s phenomenon" that Carl said just happens every few generations.
And even though they probably irritated the calm and very serious-minded Carl with their outlandish pranks and their frivolous irreverence, the Yippies actually had a very similar view to Carl's on a great many of the things he most disliked in the SDS and in the wider movement. Especially violence. Some of the Yippies knew the Weathermen when their violence was still theoretical, but that was (and remains) the great fork in the road for all of us. What means justify what ends?
He admired the Yippies.
@@Klung1 That's cool. Me too.
Wow Mr Hoffman that’s amazing because it’s so different from everything I thought about those protesting that war. Your written description of Mr Oglesby is equally thoughtful & insightful. You made him a complete human being who had reasonable views on other subjects & focused on the ending the war instead of a caricature of a hippie who thought he had all the answers on every issue that involved radically destroying & changing every aspect of our system.
Oglesby was so reasonable & Eldridge Cleaver obviously respected him & saw his leadership abilities in a world where being reasonable was sometimes cast aside in favor of who yelled loudest.
Mr Hoffman your talent & knowledge comes through in all of your work. Excellent interview that wouldn’t have been nearly as engaging but for you being involved. Thank you.
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Thank you for sharing this..
The human potential has been held back by a select few whom want to remain disproportionately wealthier than the rest and will do absolutely anything to maintain that wealth.
True
I absolutely love your channel!! Thank you so much for sharing your work with us! I’m hooked on David Hoffman ♥️♥️ you’re brilliant!
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Hi David, I remember a few of these guys' testimonies on Ken Brurn's Vietnam. Did he use your films as a source? I love your content, the messages carry so much weight. The young people must be taught these stories. ✌️🙂
In some cases, Ken did, in other cases, he didn't. He did not interview this incredible character.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker That's awesome
a new clip of my favorite era, thank you !
Thank you for this.
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO..... I am 74 years old, this man is absolutely eloquent in the description of the experiences and hopes of my generation. I wish this could go on Twitter and every 20, 30, 40 year old could start to think about the Real Reality of this government. We created the Environmental Protection Agency and here we are 60 Years later with polluted air, water, soil and our food supply is a disaster. When the jobs went to China and gutted the middle class I hoped for a real revolution, alas we got Trump and Jan. 06. Now we have Gates buying all the farmland with no commitment to producing food without chemicals and doing crop rotation. We desperately need a government that is not corrupted by capitalism. We need a capitalism that want to support the EPA, public education and cultural activities.
Fantastic as usual.
I don't know about all his conjecture of "trying the electorate first" before turning to violence. I remember the history of Labor organization in the early part of the Twentieth Century (and much further back in our country and in others) that peaceful organization was always met with force and until blood was spilt not much (politically) could happen.
Full disclosure: I'm not for violence, I'm just for realizing that history gives really good cues for the future. Also I'm no historian nor a Marxist dialecticist nor an economist but it sure does seem every grand movement/transformative uprising meets the its match in Capital/Status Quo/Traditionalism and it's a violent dance.
It was good to hear this man speak. I remember the movements, the feelings in all of them. Especially the "home made" elements of them. Thank you. Everything's more violent now, more fantasy-driven. Maybe our bunch was successful exposing the two faces of power, "the hand that mocked them and the heart that fed."
Well, certainly the police have become more violent - or is that we just have a new way to watch them that we didn't have back then? We are just watching them do what they always did, and when the internet came along and put a spotlight on their outrageous behavior, it made it that much harder for them to get away with it. Derek Chauvin would have gone free without the internet, bet on it.
Very interesting video. Especially during these times
Carl was one of my dearest friends from 1973 until his death.
"all-time independent filmmaker" all-time independent, is a rare thing in our times. I feel that somehow you have a bigger role in the www. Entertaining education, truthful, informative, factual, +INTERESTING, sane, violence-free, honest, clarity, and all the subjects are ever so necessary education, right now. You, the most INTERESTING filmmaker of our times. Have a mentioned you are a great teacher too? Make that, a professor, for your many fields!
Great analogy..great opening!
You have the BEST videos Dave!
Thank you William
OMG! This is one of the saddest, most depressing things I've seen in a long time, and that in a period not short of sad depressing things to watch! 😥
Wow, this was great.
The Vietnam Protest group was anti-war but not anti-violence. Well, that's ironic.
YES! "We have to conduct our own affairs, or we will have those affairs conducted for us." Little did he know then, that the new masters would be called " algorithms."
clairvoyance without being clairvoyant. The ending sums it all up for what we are dealing with now. Too bad we sold out for convenience to neglect challenging power and holding their feet to the fire and we’re at the tipping point again. I wish we’d snap out of our bubble!
Bach in the 60s, I attended a local college chapter meeting, naively thinking it was an open discussion, asked a (to me) serious question for clarification. I was immeadiatly shut up on a procedural technicality and the basis that I was not already a member of the SDS and thus ineligible to participate in the meeting or discussion. The tone made it clear I was not welcome. I must say, I looked more like a republican John Bircher to them. I looked like "the enemy". It was one if many times I had been judged erroneously based upon surface appearances. The SDS was the victim of both it's inexperience and it's insularity.
Two years later, I was in Viet Nam. (Not because I wanted to be there - few of us did)
No, we weren't baby killers.
Wars are started by arrogant old men who send the the young men and women to fight in it. One way or another, the people always pay the price for/of war.
Sounds familiar
Its incredible that how a humble social movement can flourish then as time marches, certain individuals want to take it to an extreme. I'm 24 yrs and participated in marches in the last 5 years. I can attest that there's internal fighting in movements all because a small handful want to amp up the environment that may result in risky actions and behavior.
Thank you for marching for our rights! 🌟
His eyes look 😭 😞 so sad
I don't know if Carl is alive today. I wonder what he would think of our government today. I was twenty three when I left Vietnam and I protested against the war.
Read my description. It presents when he died.
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Looks like the same guy you had on before talking about the Vietnam war and the protest that was going on. Looks good but the the same video I think. Thanks for sharing this video David Hoffman film maker.👍👍🙂📸✌️
i would love to hear this guys opinions on whats going on today
Me too. But I’m biased. (He’s my dad)
I love these history lessons.
Me too.
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I watch these videos all the time. I wish everybody did.
I wish everybody did as well.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Agreed !
One of the best.
Interesting how, in his telling, LBJ just magically dropped his re-election bid in March of ‘68, “opening the way for Bobby Kennedy”. It was Eugene McCarthy’s lonely, gutsy, and shockingly strong challenge to the President in New Hampshire, starting in Dec. ‘67, that made LBJ drop out. And multiple contemporary accounts of those years make clear McCarthy only ran because RFK (and McGovern) wouldn’t. Given RFK’s undeniable talents and appeal, and his tragic end, it’s uncomfortable but necessary to point out that he doesn’t deserve to be put high on the white stallion he is retrospectively placed on. He didn’t have the guts to make the challenge when Lowenstein and others were begging him to, but was happy to swoop in once the “king” (LBJ) had been toppled by McCarthy and the opportunities clear for all to see. (And RFK actually acknowledged this, see Doris Kearns Goodwin’s An Unfinished Love Story among other sources… and DKG and her husband were definitely in the Kennedy camp.)
Enjoy both part 1 and part 2 of Carl Oglesby interview. as you know the 1960's were an extraordinary and turbulence times to be a live in Carl touch on some very interesting points of the antiwar movement. As you may remember The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, that ran on CBS from fall of 1967 to the spring of 1969 got the axe Tom and Dick were fired from CBS for being too controversial about the Vietnam War and other topics of the times. May Carl and his father be at peace with one another in the afterlife. Carl Oglesby July 30, 1935 - September 13, 2011, Thanks David Hoffman.
In an alternate universe they got an RFK Presidency with an MLK in the cabinet. Would have fixed a lot of social problems and set us on a far different trajectory. Brilliant interviewee. Thanks for the video.
That's tear-jerky for me. Thanks. 😥
wonder what what he would have said about our current age (2020-the present) ... same? different? we can only guess. thanks, david!
Love how younger David sounds like present David sped up.
If this sounds familiar to people who otherwise weren’t alive then, it should.
I wonder what he thinks about the situation today.
It would be fascinating to hear him examine today's situation.
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All the history you’re never taught in school.
Very interesting inside take on what was going on in the mid-late 60’s with the protests. I agree that Bobby Kennedy would have become president, and what’s interesting is that he would be considered a conservative right wing politician in today’s radical left political climate. I was in college when he was assassinated, and remember I being so distraught and feeling hopeless. Great interview and insight.
Seeing this film makes me understand more of who l am at 72
I was in middle to high school when all this was going on and I remember adults saying "What in the hell are those kids doing?" to both SDS and the Weathermen and i wasnt really paying attention to the news. At my age now I too question where were the a
dults. Didn't anyone agree with the SDS?
Karyn: a tiny group of the baby boom generation ever supported SDS.
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Is it possible that the grown ups just weren't prepared for modern protest and revolution, the youth also had nothing to lose,just a road of adventure
Why does he look like George Lucas' more reasonable twin?
Wonder what he'd have to say about the state of our government now days.
Amazing
This guy's assessment of progressivism in the 60s is near perfect. The biggest problem was that ours is a spoiled generation--thinking we could actually fix tragic human failings built into human nature and institutions since the dawn of time--especially that it could be done quickly. All the people who actually made a step forward in civilization realized change against gigantic forces takes generations and often entails total sacrifice (you know, gradualists such as MLK, Gandhi, Susan B. Anthony) and it also entails seeing your own mistakes. When your generation fails you MUSTN't just retreat--you need to learn from your own shortcomings and keep going. The perfect is not just the enemy of the possible--it generates backlash (the cultural attitudes that fuel such monstrosities as Trump).
I'm Gen X born 1971 to young boomers in California Bay Area. My dad was a conscientious objector, and my grandmother counselled thousands of young men about the draft, then about registering for the draft, over decades.
This is fascinating. I'm interested in these topics that I feel are widely avoided by boomers.
I have read and heard about the strongly misogynistic thread running through the antiwar and civil rights movements. Maybe you can point me to a film that addresses that.
Sometimes there's discussion about the way the boomers were raised, which was a very new thing because of strong economy, the new phenomenon called "teenagers", that y'all were more sheltered and privileged than any previous generation in the US. Thus the innocence and naivety you describe.
Nixon sure did show his ass with Watergate. I think it was made much clearer that politicians run their own agendas and railroad the people. I agree with his assessment of the impact of Watergate.
Hippie/yippee/peacenik boomers have changed the culture in countless ways, and growing up in the shadows of that influence has kept me fascinated my whole life. Sometimes judgmental as well. I believe the romantic, the nostalgic, the whole idealistic view of those feelings of community have really tarnished your legacy. I went to see Across the Universe with a boomer, and he came out in tears, kept saying It was just like that! I had to disbelieve him because honestly, when is real life like a freaking musical? C'mon.
Thank you for sharing your story. I appreciate what your grandmother and father were doing.
I am sorry that he did not get to see what is happening now to try to protect Democracy. He would be delighted, I hope. Carl Oglesby suggested that what happened in the 1860s happened again 100 years later in the 1960s and maybe would happen in another 100 years. It is indeed, albeit a few years earlier. As one great politician said:
It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Thanks David for sharing this video . . . and many others.
I see some striking similarities between Vietnam war and todays war in Ukraine - especially when he said that majority of population didnt want the war but it was continuing anyway because the goverment wanted so... The reaction of american police to antiwar protests was pretty much same as what they do in Russia these days. Also the majority of russian population is just indifferent to the war or keep saying some jingoist explanation they learned from TV... The most interisting thing to me in this video was that the protests in 60s in America were held by students because adult/old people simply didnt care. Its always students who organize large protests like if the old people of certain age dont care about politics/democracy/ideologies and take interest only in their own everyday life, going to work tommorow, watching football after work...i guess thats the "grey majority".
@@k3D4rsi554maq i believe noone wanted the war but only the 1% of people really cared enough to say it loudly
I was a child. When the news came on, our parents insisted we go to our rooms. I overheard my father say to my mother, My God, they are defecating on the White House lawn. We would peek around the corner.....to watch the news.....
That's hilarious Lola!
I need some David Hoffman this morning..
Thank you Roberta.
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A thoughtful analysis, I love his perspective, his rejection of the Weathermen lunatics, etc. But he lost me at 10:00 "If the other side was going to destroy our legitimate leaders". So is he saying he believes RFK and MLK were assassinated by "the other side"? Or is he saying that's what some believe? I don't know, conspiracy lunacy leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. In any case he said he looks to the future. Well Carl, here we are on the precipice of yet another type of civil war, but it's the 2020s, didn't need to wait until the 2060s.
is he still alive?
Tyler. Read my description please.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker im sorry mr. hoffman as i watched the video on the first place without ever reading the description, because was excited to listen to his explanation, after asking questions, I went through Google and read his article and i was a bit in tears, to know that he had passed away in 2011. he's a good man in my opinion.
His description is almost identical to what's going on today. People are extremely violent now and it could be a minor difference of opinion and the savagery comes out. One could argue its worse because of the internet.
I wonder what he would have\did think of two of the founders of the weathermen being instrumental in the springboarding of Obama into the presidency and becoming part of the establishment?
And now, Russia is the new Vietnam
It seems the anti-war movement did not have the spiritual and ethical integrity the Civil Rights movement had. Though it was anti-war it was not non-violent.
Many of the anti-war people loathed the idea of being personally drafted/doing any kind of military service. So it was rooted in narcissism. Whereas the civil rights movement was about empathy for others.
How’s the coffee?
I am smiling. I need this morning.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker these videos are a treasure!
Just like the original civil war ended and time for reconstruction to occur, where was this man? Once the revolutionary talk died down and the second reconstruction was in dire need of started suddenly all of the older generation became the people they hate. I see older people using l redhotic of the anti war movement to justify hate or even anti democratic behavior. Just like after the civil war, when reconstruction came and black peoples had at least a sliver social mobility and started moving north away from the lands that traumatized 3-6 generations where was the abolitionist? They were voting to end reconstruction cuz too many black people where moving north. Same thing happened after the 60’s except they never saw through. Bobby Kennedy was like Lincoln being shot in the ford. Now our generation is suck with the ugly decay of the 60’s but no candidates that represent us. It’s always some old person warped by time who can’t see why the world needs that reconstruction since they’re too comfortable with the way they grew up. This guy thought that he couldn’t do shit and left but he had the choice to be able to leave it alone. If you were gay black or trans that wasn’t the case. What what is the point of the civil rights moment after all that if the same group of people want to strip gay people of their rights and have left education in. Shambles and have advocated to the dismantling of American democracy. And now we lack the larger majority. The older generations suck in their ways if half baked solutions still out vote us. And when they don’t they gerrymander us or they use social media to fill us with propaganda or they defend equations so the poor are too uneducated to understand what is going on. Clearly the Institutions at play y’all’s were rigging against just rebranded thenselfs as the Republican Party once y’all got complacent and the movement to fight them was a joke of its former self. Now we got compliment old men who can’t see why we still need that reconstruction on the left and the same old insinuations y’all were fighting in the first place in the right. We don’t have a MLK or a civil rights leader. Y’all were handed the torch after all this work and snuffed it out when y’all got too scared. That’s how you know y’all lost.
Anyone else feel like the Overton window has moved so much that this conservative from the 60s sounds like the liberals who claim to be the left today?
sounds like our current administration
Maybe it’s moving away from One nation under God
It's not even a nation.
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this guy was MKUd or something his knowledge is a script
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God was with us. That's where our high expectations came from. Our faith wasn't strong enough to hold back the plans of the rulers of the evil matrix.