Yep, watch you guys all the way thru, Chappie. Your telling of rifle conversions from the late 1800's is both informative and entertaining, I enjoy the approach y'all give the subject matter! 😊
At the famous statue in La Défense business district in Paris, the French soldier is depicted armed with a Tabatière. But Wikipedia erroneously wrote it's a Chassepot.
The 2nd half of the 19th century is so mad when it come to guns (of all forms), in a few deccades weapons went from what would would not stand out on a 16th century battlefield to things we still use today, more then a century later.
Came from B&T a few Werks ago,Meeting the Chap on the stairs,got promised this Video ist about to come,was not disappointed as always 😊 you should Take Off the cleaning rod while shooting, it Slips out substancially and I think it shifts your point of impact
Good Lord, the ammunition looks colossal; if you dropped a round, the danger isn't that you could lose it, it's that it could break your toe or trip you up and twist an ankle.
Thanks Le Chap! And I was there to the end! Loved how the clearing rod wanted to go down range as you where shooting! 😆 (Watch on the app, still supporting you guys on the big P.)
Lovely work young Chap. Thank you. I am reminded of a period newspaper article with the journalist writing of seeing Garde Mobile soldiers frantically kicking their breechblocks open and/or their extractors with their boots. I suspect poor quality post Sedan ammunition and maybe similar conversions. I would love to see your take on the wartime Samain bolt action conversions. I have no such weapon to offer, although I did once have a shotgun post war Belgian conversion. It appears that the Samain made ones were quite adequate but small workshop ones were, shall we say, less so.
Salty Comment to feed the algorithm. Was a fun series on a maligned rifle. Which like many maligned French rifles, winds up that way not through a defect in the arm but by way of political defects.
Those bronze breechblocked conversions really look cool. It has a feel similar to the original 1866 Winchester. Were they any more prone towards wearing out compared to the proper conversions?
Hard to say, certainly not an issue over their service life and there are still plenty around in working condition as „zulus“ over a century later. The only thing I’ve noted is that cosmetically they are more prone to damage from knocks, bronze being softer than steel, so they tend to look more dinged and beat up on the outside but that doesn’t affect the function or safety.
Either they moved the sights (which you'd see from the stain left by the original brazing) or they will have used timed threads so that when torqued up the sights are vertical.
@BlokeontheRange thanks. Resoldering the sights makes sense. Would that have been done at one of the arsenals as good jigs would be needed? Timed threads would have be more problematic if farmed out to small small shops for tolerance issues. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Very well done! It's really entertaining to see the history of these early metallic cartridge rifles. Was this the last "second line" rifle until the Berthier?
Excellent. Be assured someone is always watching to the end... I wanted to see the Mad minute, and hear the history... Why does it have a bad reputation... It looks less fiddly than the Chassepot... Slower maybe, but so what?
Practically it’s a heavy rifle, there’s heavy ammunition to lug around, and it has relatively short range accuracy. The bad reputation however is more linked to the troops that yielded it. The Moblots were usually the dregs of society and generally a disreputable bunch.
Very interesting was the Germans did suffer a lot of casualties in every battle with the French. The problem with the German Dreyse infantry rifle was less reliable because of the long needle that would often break because of constant firing. These conversion rifles were better because of the less components and ease of cleaning under combat conditions. The Germans were attacking as a result of heavy casualties. The French lost because of their tactics and micromanagement of their subordinate units in combat. The Germans made use of their aggressive commanders initiative during combat to take on objectives that would justify their casualty figures. The 1867 Tabby rifle would have been effective if French commanders were not restrained by their command during the defense of France in 1870. The French a few years back were humiliated by the Mexicans during their brief occupation of Mexico which many incompetent unit leaders still in command in the French Army.
The germans states/mainly Prussia won because they had more and better trained reserves, in some battles the French were low in ammo at the end and always without any reinforcement and had to give up. Simplistic yes, but a I think that was the most important part plus Bazaine playing politics.
Germans suffered most casualties on first stage of war, when they attacked prepared defence positions of regular French army, armed mostly with Chassepot rifles,.But even if a French had a Dreyse rifles, and Germans have Chassepots, Germans also will be suffer heavy casualties from small arms fire - because trenches give the defenders cover from enemy small arms, and attackers must move on open space...
Yep, watch you guys all the way thru, Chappie. Your telling of rifle conversions from the late 1800's is both informative and entertaining, I enjoy the approach y'all give the subject matter! 😊
At the famous statue in La Défense business district in Paris, the French soldier is depicted armed with a Tabatière. But Wikipedia erroneously wrote it's a Chassepot.
Wikigringo
This is my favorite era of firearms. The weird, big bore single shots are so cool
The 2nd half of the 19th century is so mad when it come to guns (of all forms), in a few deccades weapons went from what would would not stand out on a 16th century battlefield to things we still use today, more then a century later.
You impress me with your historical knowledge.
Engineering skills.
Highly entertaining.
And lovin the mad minute.
Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent insights as always from you.
Came from B&T a few Werks ago,Meeting the Chap on the stairs,got promised this Video ist about to come,was not disappointed as always 😊 you should Take Off the cleaning rod while shooting, it Slips out substancially and I think it shifts your point of impact
In the range footage, it looked like you were about to launch the ram-rod! Hope that didn't occur, Chap!
No, but it’s common for rods to ride forward. Most rifles based on converted muskets only retain the rod in the channel just by friction.
always cool to see an old rifle brought back to life.
Good Lord, the ammunition looks colossal; if you dropped a round, the danger isn't that you could lose it, it's that it could break your toe or trip you up and twist an ankle.
Thanks Le Chap! And I was there to the end! Loved how the clearing rod wanted to go down range as you where shooting! 😆
(Watch on the app, still supporting you guys on the big P.)
Did like this one very much. Very much a fan of the chaps videos.
The whole series was well worth watching, well done!
Really impressive arms. Thanks Chap!
Steel plate sees the 18.4mm slug approaching and throws up its arms in horrific anticipation of what is about to happen...
Love to see a revolver made for this beast of a bullet 😄 great video 👍
Great video! I would love to see one on the Lindner conversion for the Podewils Gun.
Lovely work young Chap. Thank you. I am reminded of a period newspaper article with the journalist writing of seeing Garde Mobile soldiers frantically kicking their breechblocks open and/or their extractors with their boots. I suspect poor quality post Sedan ammunition and maybe similar conversions.
I would love to see your take on the wartime Samain bolt action conversions. I have no such weapon to offer, although I did once have a shotgun post war Belgian conversion. It appears that the Samain made ones were quite adequate but small workshop ones were, shall we say, less so.
I would love to get my hands on a Samain or Hurtu&Hautin conversion.
17:34 is that Bloke in the background or a doppelganger?
Salty Comment to feed the algorithm. Was a fun series on a maligned rifle. Which like many maligned French rifles, winds up that way not through a defect in the arm but by way of political defects.
Can you point me to a guide or example for removing the barrel safely please? Is it easy, and do you require special tools? Thanks!
Very nice presentation. Those cartridges look ludacris...until you think about getting hit by the bullet.
A fellow blue Coat?
Make your pillow forever be cool, my friend.
It’s just an old Swiss mil jacket I dyed blue. Maybe I should get a proper 1860s French tunic although I don’t have the waistline 😅
Those bronze breechblocked conversions really look cool. It has a feel similar to the original 1866 Winchester. Were they any more prone towards wearing out compared to the proper conversions?
Hard to say, certainly not an issue over their service life and there are still plenty around in working condition as „zulus“ over a century later. The only thing I’ve noted is that cosmetically they are more prone to damage from knocks, bronze being softer than steel, so they tend to look more dinged and beat up on the outside but that doesn’t affect the function or safety.
Always interested to know how they indexed breech firings conversions to the barrels with the sights. Or did they remove and religion the sights
Either they moved the sights (which you'd see from the stain left by the original brazing) or they will have used timed threads so that when torqued up the sights are vertical.
@BlokeontheRange thanks. Resoldering the sights makes sense. Would that have been done at one of the arsenals as good jigs would be needed? Timed threads would have be more problematic if farmed out to small small shops for tolerance issues. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
It's interesting that they chose to use a hollow based bullet, I assume it's just for velocity since the bore was larger than they wanted.
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Excellent video M. LeMec
Very well done! It's really entertaining to see the history of these early metallic cartridge rifles. Was this the last "second line" rifle until the Berthier?
Someone didn’t make it until the end 😜 23:00
"Good Enough for Government Work...."
Very much so 😂
how many rounds before you loose the cleaning rod
It's intended to strike the charging enemy automatically 😂
Excellent. Be assured someone is always watching to the end... I wanted to see the Mad minute, and hear the history... Why does it have a bad reputation... It looks less fiddly than the Chassepot... Slower maybe, but so what?
Practically it’s a heavy rifle, there’s heavy ammunition to lug around, and it has relatively short range accuracy. The bad reputation however is more linked to the troops that yielded it. The Moblots were usually the dregs of society and generally a disreputable bunch.
So it’s basically a single shot 12ga slug gun. Cool!
The daddy of all 12ga slug guns
@@thebotrchap more like the granddaddy! LOL I bet this thing packs a punch!
🤣🤣 Some things never change. Old military rifles don't retire, they get sold to the US of A.
Very interesting was the Germans did suffer a lot of casualties in every battle with the French. The problem with the German Dreyse infantry rifle was less reliable because of the long needle that would often break because of constant firing. These conversion rifles were better because of the less components and ease of cleaning under combat conditions. The Germans were attacking as a result of heavy casualties. The French lost because of their tactics and micromanagement of their subordinate units in combat. The Germans made use of their aggressive commanders initiative during combat to take on objectives that would justify their casualty figures. The 1867 Tabby rifle would have been effective if French commanders were not restrained by their command during the defense of France in 1870. The French a few years back were humiliated by the Mexicans during their brief occupation of Mexico which many incompetent unit leaders still in command in the French Army.
The germans states/mainly Prussia won because they had more and better trained reserves, in some battles the French were low in ammo at the end and always without any reinforcement and had to give up. Simplistic yes, but a I think that was the most important part plus Bazaine playing politics.
Germans suffered most casualties on first stage of war, when they attacked prepared defence positions of regular French army, armed mostly with Chassepot rifles,.But even if a French had a Dreyse rifles, and Germans have Chassepots, Germans also will be suffer heavy casualties from small arms fire - because trenches give the defenders cover from enemy small arms, and attackers must move on open space...
J’ai du bon tabac dans ma… tabatière ? 🤣
J'ai du bon tabac, tu n'en auras pas.
J'en ai du bon, du frais, du râpé,
Mais qui n'est pas pour ton vilain nez !
18,4 mm. Just short of being a canon.....
I hope nobody back in the day got killed because they couldn't judo chop their rifle fast enough during the reload
hi, to you ... ‼️
good video, i think this action is very weakest ... like infantry pattern weapon
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