I drive a '18 fiesta 1.6 I4, it's got a little more than 100hp and it's fwd, but the feel of that car is unbelievable for a "normal" car. Don't know if it's just the i4 1.6 non-ST version, but the liftoff oversteer and driver feel is amazing, extraordinarily fun when you learn how to push it the right way
I drive a focus ST3 250bhp fwd and they have 2 traction control settings 1 keeps on stability and the second completely turns everything assistance wise completely off, most written off ST'S have traction completely off
@@BySixa My 2006 superb would not let me understeer under throttle, or oversteer at all. Even in a older car you have to really be stupid I tested it by rapidly steering left to right in the snow to induce oversteer at about 40mph. It just used the brakes to not let me, i had to go pretty fast and be really agressive to get it to slide with traction on Now i have an e46, so traction is mostly off. But i tested that too in the snow, and anybody could drive it
traction control is litterally a life saver. Ive lost traction at 80mph in the rain on MDM traction mode in my g80 m3 comp rwd and I went left, then right, then left, then right, then back to the middle all while keeping it in lane going 45 degrees sideways each time. Had I had DSC off I wouldve been sideways into the wall at 80 mph in the rain. Had I had full TC on I wouldnt have even began spinning at all.
I REALLY appreciate you staying on your lane as that is my biggest pet peeve, if people want to drive spirited then STAY IN YOUR LANE. Awesome video dude and nice to see a BMW driver indicating ;).
I mean, road positioning can include going into the opposing lane Aslong as you can clearly see ahead. If it’s a blind corner that’s just stupid for obvious reasons. But for certain country roads that don’t even have centre line markings it can be better for your corner exit to enter on the opposing side of the road. You just need to know what you are doing though, be respectful and know the road.
@syd9969 I respect people who stay on their side of the road as I consider them safer and more controlled drivers that can drive fast without needing to risk crossing the line, nearly been hit by bikers and cars plus yesterday a 7.5t lorry that came round a blind corner on my side of the road on a national speed limit road nearly unalived me.
@@johny79action yeh, like I said though, obviously doing that on blind corners is really stupid, irresponsible and is unskilled, so I do agree. Just certain corners that you get to know can be entered on the other side of the road for a cleaner exit. It’s hard to explain without an example but I never do go on the opposing lane in roads I don’t know unless you can clearly see everything ahead of you on an S shaped corner
It's really hard to kick out the rear of an stock MX-5, because modern UHP tyres have become extremely good and the 110 horses aren't enough to brake traction. The most "dangerous" thing you can do in an MX-5 is to abruptly take your foot off the gas when cornering fast.
Mk3 with BBR Stage Two - 308bhp. Even the traction control struggles. Lifted off by accident when an Amazon van pulled out on me .. was sideways for a moment ..
Amazing video. I wish I seen this last year. Exactly a year ago I got an M4 Comp for the weekend and that was one of my first experiences in an RWD based car. I felt really confident in MDM mode so I switched off every aid and went for it. It was all good for an hour but as you just said, it caught me off guard for a second and the back end broke loose out of a roundabout. I ended up in a wheat field. I didnt have enough experience and these advices are amazing for that. Thanks for the video mate.
For some reason my mind can't process him driving in the left lanes because my brain is used to see me driving in the right lanes because of my country. Its a interesting feeling tbh.
When I got my M235i I was incredibly surprised with how good traction control was... So much so I thought there was no way DSC off mode was much worse. Safe to say I was wrong 😂 lucky no problems and now I keep traction on at all times
4 year resurrection - bought an M235 about 8 months ago. Modded the hell out of it and it's a monster now. I've never once driven the car with dsc on. It's an incredible amount of fun being able to kick the rear out at just about any time. You just need to know and understand what to do with your hands and right foot, and be prepared to do those things at all times. If that's not something you're interesting in doing/knowing - I 100% agree - keep traction control and stability control active always. You definitely aren't going to learn what to do in a moment of surprise and panic - you need to spend time learning the car and how it operates at the limits. Track days and autocross are good for that, as are late night wet drives on open roads and parking lots. But again, if that's not your interest, keep em on and enjoy the car!
I'm so glad this video randomly came up on my feed, just bought a manual 617HP supercharged E90 M3 after owning a 230 HP automatic E46.... And it's my first time ever driving manual...
Bro , cool clip and the best thing about this video is at the end when you said go and practice, that's actually the most important bit ..take you rwd to track and practice as much as you can until you are confident and then all the fear goes away and you're in control..I got a 2014 Shelby GT500 and if you don't drive easy and practice until you can drive the way you want disaster can easily happen..mine for ex tc is just cutting the power off completely and if you don't know what's going on the majority will panick and lose control, with tc off the advanced tc is still on but (at least in mine ) if you keep the tc button pressed for.7-8.seconds it wil disable everything so it will be just you and the V8 , that's where the true skill comes in play that you'll have to train for if you want to be a badass rwd..best of all to you and everyone and drive safe .
Kick down is super terrifying in the auto G87. With TSC off and auto you could very easily send it off the road. Any ‘fast driving’ you have to keep it in sequential.
*watching his info about traction control knowing damn well my 87 supra with 450hp+ will not have any sort of concept of traction control* felt that it should be known it is not being bought this way. I bought it when almost completely stock a couple years ago and learned manual with it and am now rebuilding for more power. happy I learned when it only had 240 odd hp cause I gained valuable experience that would have been a deathly scenario with 400+ and no air bags
What I love about my 2020 BRZ , is that it has allegedly 200HP , dyno - 30 :) So when the backend steps a bit you giggle rather than screaming for dear life , a good platform to learn how RWD behavs
Yes... My friends Nissan Silvia s15 with around 300hp was a very nice car to drive in the winter on snow and ice, never gave you and surprises. And when the rear started to slide it was just fun with no drama.
"I shall demonstrate"😁 Yes, such occasions do teach us to be better gentle on the throttle and fully alert, even if the traction control does its best (learned myself this with 5.7 Hemi that has much more torque than the little V6). All your points shown and commented are truly spot on, very good to watch! Many thanks for this video
Agreed. You should try a GR86. I've driven a GT86, an M2 and a GR86. The GR86 is hands down the best of the three. Not as powerful as an M2, but dynamically superior. Yes you read that right, I'm glad I chose my Toyota over an M2. Most fun this side of a Porsche you can have on road and track.
@@michaeltarlowski9316 Mmm here it is not possible to find GT86 or GR86 that cost less then a Porsche Cayman... ;( So I am going for the Porsche Cayman :)
Just ordered a manual M3.. my first manual car! Super excited. Although my current daily is a huracan evo RWD, so I’m not overly concerned about handling the power 😜 Thanks for the video!
@@yesyes9943 lol I’ll post a vid of it for you if you want. I have a Tesla which was supposed to be my daily, but I never drive it because the Lambo is too much fun. And I decided to not care about resale
My very first fast car is a nissan silvia s15 (440whp) and weighs only 1250kg...no traction control etc. Only abs which seems to be disabled now after putting in a 1.5 way nismo lsd. I only drive it in the dry but can easily get it sideways. Makes me nervous every time I get in it but its a proper drivers car and I love it.
When I got the M2 I actually SERIOUSLY considered this exact car. There was an S15 with ~400bhp and all the right mods for sale near me. I wanted to get that+a boring daily. Unfortunately I live in the UK and the car would just rust away so in the end I didn't do it. One day,
A friend of mine had a Silvia S15 with around 300++ hp and it was a very nice car to drive in the winter. If it was slippery and you had to much gas or the turbo kicked in the rear would slide and all you had to do was let a little of the gas and counter steer and you was good to go. Never felt nervous or scary to drive that car, so maybe a little less HP is the way to go on the Silvia lol ;).
My 2018 340i is my first RWD car. I have it tuned Stage 2+ (about 460whp). I also live in a snowy climate (Buffalo NY). I have had some learning moments (and the BMW TCS definitely saved my ass as few times). I am sure there will be a lot more learning. The biggest thing so far was getting proper tires, it increased my confidence tenfold since the break away became much more progressive from the tires in all climate. The stock RFTs were harder, and more prone to sliding. The Michelin PS4S that I have now will start to complain and get lighter before fully ripping away. I had a 2013 Audi S4 before this and Quattro was easy mode. It was mainly understeer. I do feel like the 340i is making me a much better driver, whereas Quattro did all the heavy lifting in the Audi. It’s so much more rewarding. Thanks for the video!
@@M-POWER777 the 340i is a superior car. Lighter (by about 250lbs), faster, more tunable, better economy, better transmission (the DL501 is often what breaks on the S4 but the ZF8 is a masterclass), better handling (as I said the S4 has terrible understeer, the 340i has 51-49 balance compared to 57/43 in the S4), better brakes (4 piston fixed Brembo on the 340i vs single piston floating on the S4). The S4 had two things better going for it: better seats, and a stock LSD. The rest is 340i the whole way imo. And you can chance seats and an LSD if you want (the seat are fine just the S4 ones were better).
I’ve only had 4 FWD cars , Renault 5 GT Turbo , Nissan GTI , Alfa Sprint Veloce , Mini Cooper S Conv . All good fun but torque steer , under steer in all . I’m now 70 + and love my MX 5 , great fun in snow and wet roundabouts .
I had a 440i and I now have an F82 M4, I can’t just floor it now like I could in the 440i. I respect the additional power and certainly leave traction on when it’s wet. If I use MDM or DSC off I’ll always use sequential, UK roads terrible. I do want to book some track days though. Good video mate.
I drive an E36 325tds with a retune, which really isn't that powerful but it is torquey, and what I tend to find is that if your car has a bit of weight (and an open diff), you'll have a fun skid if you pull limiter on 1st and 2nd gear, but the car reliably goes back into itself. I thought it would be a nightmare, but its a very enjoyable (and often, predictable) experience. You hear absolute horror stories of RWD cars, I think its a case of people just overhyping. As an added note, my Honda Civic taught me to love driving (and how to drive a slow car fast), but the E36 taught me to love the machine. I hope everyone finds a car that makes you feel like that!
the most important piece of advice i like to give to beginner mustang drivers is straighten out the car before hitting the throttle, and if you go sideways, let go of the throttle and let the steering wheel spin on its own
@99minimev99 by letting go of the wheel when sliding the car will naturally countersteer for you. you never want to forcefully countersteer, that is going to lead to you spinning out completely.
that's the thing that beginners don't get. and good thing you're smart enough to ask. the car is smarter than you think. let go of the steering wheel and let the car handle it, once its straight catch and DO NOT throttle. once you get good then you start practicing throttle control. Trust throttle control is better to have than counter steer cause without it there's no point of counter steer.
Thank you both, obviously fingers crossed it doesn’t happen, but that bit of info might be the difference between causing a loss of control and a straightforward recovery of traction!
Ive never owned RWD till recently, when i got my self BMW E82 128i i was scared so much xD I thought it would step out all the time xD Its so scary when you never expirianced it.
Great video. My M140i was / is my first RWD car and almost 3 years later I'm still alive. Touch wood. However, many years ago I did crash my girlfriend's MG TF when I learned the hard way of what not to do with RWD! I drive my M140i with the traction control on most of the time if I'm honest. It's completely stock so no LSD and I don't fancy finding the limits of it's open diff the hard way like i did with that MG 😂
I really should have gone into the diff dilemma in the video I actually think that open diffs are a little more dangerous as they're unpredictable. With an LSD the car does the same thing every time and it's far easier to control. I'll drink to the fallen MG TF :)
Gone from a bam Leon 290bhp for 7 years to a e60 530d manual 2004 around 270/80, and I’m impressed big ol girl but power comes in nicely and rear wheel drive is challenging you have to respect it lol but it’s worth it , I drive with everything off to get to know the car, I’ve never had a rwd before 🤞3 months in, an no ditch yet 😂
very good video. just recently bought a 2020 f82 and was super worried about how to handle it. my first car which was the car before the f82 (2006 honda civic) was no where near the power of the bmw lol. glad i stumbled upon this video 👍🏼 respect, not fear
Buy as a side car, drift beater an e46, or e36 with welded diff. Will help you a lot. I have e34 200hp with an lsd, Now I guess I can manage any rear wheel drive car. Cuz this beamer has enough power to kill me especially in a wet weather while overtaking. Also, do not turn off traction while in trafic, only at some parkings. 400hp in a such light car can do anything. Be careful
its good to turn tc off and practice drifting in a forgiving spot. cause then it teach you how to control your car without traction, then it teach you how to break traction, then it teach you how to not break traction. all that is better than anything tc can give you especially if it rains cause you can drift slower and you have more time to think.
I had a stage 1 120d for 4 years and now have a 2016 m135i I’ve had over a year and I don’t get how people spin them out within a couple months owning rwd you just gotta be brave and know what you’re doing if things don’t go your way knowing what your car is capable off, traction helps a lot but if you wanna have some fun turn dsc off🤣
Subscribed! very impressed with your style of video... Kinda confirm what I already knew, but as someone whos never driven rear wheel, reassuring! Getting my X3M comp next month!!
4:21 this is exactly what killed my mx5 I know it’s not as powerful as an M2 but I came out of a roundabout with TC off and kick down dropped 2 gears, you can imagine what happened next
Not just traction control. Automatic stability control. Traction control can make power oversteer far worse. If the traction control cuts power to the wheels, weight is thrown onto the front (which grip more) and the rear becomes light - sometimes even leaving the surface of the road). The car then pivots around the front wheels. ASC has yaw sensors. If it feels the car drift or rotate, it can brake individual wheels and alter power delivery to the rear wheels, to try and bring the car back to "straight and level." You can see that if the traction control kicks in at the wrong time, the ASC can't operate, because there's no weight on the rear wheels and therefore no friction between the tyres and the road.
Absolutely hated the stability control on my moms Polo ;( All it did was make the car impossible to turn so instead of getting a easily controllable slide it would just go straight ahead if you had to much speed in a turn. Stability control on that car was a killer... That car was much safer to drive in the winter with stability control of.
@a64738 Good point. There are many drivers who haven't a clue what to do in a slide. For them, ASC, ABS, and traction control are safer options. I usually turn my driver aids off when I'm driving "spiritedly" but if I'm just on a gentle relaxed drive, I leave them on. My car has rear wheel drive, and it can bite aggressively if I stamp on the accelerator without being ready to put in opposite lock.
I got my driver's license in Volvo 940 (manual). ~150BHP on real wheels won't sound too crazy but considering middle of winter, surrounded by ice and snow. And traction control? Nope. So if something, it taught me to respect and use the power wisely.
@MickDrivesCars these are not educational driving videos; they're more like, "Mick talks out loud his thoughts whilst driving." Problem is, you're not qualified or experienced enough to be telling people how to drive, and I'm horrified to see people commenting like this.
@user-cz9zn6zq6w very good reason: we've got someone here encouraging terrible driving and influencing inexperienced drivers with no caveat that he has absolutely zero fast road driving qualifications. He needs to stop telling people how to drive, "spiritly" as if he knows what he's talking about. The least he could do is confess he's not a trained fast driving instructor and that his audience should be aware. The mind boggles at what these videos are encouraging. This guy is NOT a fast road driving instructor, and has no place doing these videos to a young driver audience without any caveat: which is that he is not trained. And this latest video on rear drive cars is nonsense. I hope noone ends up dead or killing anyone else after watching these.
I would be wary of trusting traction control too much. It's going to prevent power delivery but doesn't necessarily prevent slides. Depending on the situation it can actually make a slide worse. I would recommend learning to control cars with assists off in a safe place or simulator.
I had a unexpected slip with RWD is last summer, (and i casually had TCS off that day in my 86), i was going to join the dual carriage way and due to roadworks and good weather that previously happened, i slipped as i built up speed whilst turning from the roundabout, I didnt think much of it at first as im quite calm whilst driving, but i had a good 20-30 degrees on that as i was facing the barrier for a second, but as i was calm, all i had do do was re align with no power as its typically a really tame car to the point people question how can you crash one yourself. Oh, i also remember that i basically powerslid in front of a bus in the rain with my jag XE too, but that was just too much power and zero grip, so i kinda expected it that day, and i was doing like 12mph i just looked like a prat.
my first (drift) car is an '02 lexus is300. the traction control light is constantly blinking itself on and off. must be broken. I thought it was harmless until I went to take my first left turn on wet road surface and instantly went sideways. I drive an auto and my car has already been used and abused but still goes like factory new besides the traction control and ABS not functioning proudly
My dream car ❤️ Thanks so much for this. Too many people mack cars like this because they don’t know how to adapt their driving if all they’ve known is FWD/AWD.
hiya mate. great vid as per usual. how long do we have to wait before a review on how you're enjoying the car? would love to hear how it compares to the joys of the megane! all the best
I think you should've pointed out the difference between ESC and Traction control, because half of the time you actually meant ESC and not traction control.
@@EreZm1 in short: ESC blocks indiviual wheels of the car. Let's say you are turning right, but your car starts slipping forward not turning right and when the sensors detect that, the ESC will automatically block your let's say back right wheel so that your car can turn around it and make the right turn. ESC can also limit the power. Traction control basically controls spininnig. If the sensor detects when you press the gas pedal that the wheels are spinning too much, it would limit the power. ESC helps you go in the direction you want to go. Traction control prevents you from spinning, which could also make your car loose control.
@@EreZm1 in a way, yes, you could say so. ESC is mandotry in cars since 2011/2012 so by default it is always on unless a person chooses to turn it off. Sports cars have different levels of ESC depending on what you want to achive. For sport driving you want some slip and drifting to take a turn faster, but for everyday driving ESC has shown to save many lives over the years.
Great video Mick! By any chances, could You please share the gear You are filiming the POVs with and settings? I've seen the GoPro videos on your channel, but it seems the quality has very well improved since then :) I would be massively thankful, cheers!
Next week's video is actually a deep dive on exactly this! Highlights : I'm now using a DJI Action 4, 10-bit colour and a colour grade which lots of people have noticed and commented about!
Very engaging video as always. I need to try such a powerful car, especially a manual. Can you get the bigger ones as manual or only the 2 series? Most I've driven is around 200-220 bhp. I enjoyed my 1999 BMW 323i which if it had traction control it was useless. I also had 225s on the front and 255s at the rear and remember practically floating down a motorway at high speed in the rain. Lots of fun. I learned to control RWDs in a CLK 320 that had the traction control fault so it had none. Floored it out of a junction like the one you showed and went sideways. But when TC is working on old Mercs it's actually quite good at keeping the car gripping. I'm yet to drive any more modern RWD, let alone a powerful one. I think the newest I've driven that had more than 200 bhp or close to it was a 2006 E320 CDI.
MDM traction mode is amazing. It lets you push the engine like traction is off without much intervention and if your angle is crazy it controls it. Ive lost traction at 80 mph in the rain in my g80 comp rwd with MDM mode on and even with my lackluster drift skils and basic understanding of oversteer I was able to flick the car to the left 45 degrees, then the right, then left, then right, and finally back to the middle. I started sliding because I gassed it way too hard while switching lanes and all I did was slightly ease the throttle while being still on it and counter steering the slides. The MDM mode made it so that i didnt get past 45 degrees on either side. With DSC off I would have not had the skill necessary to counter steer. With MDM mode I managed to countersteer and drift at 80mph and make multiple smooth connections from left to right before making it back to middle despite having litterally 0 proper drift experience (only experience before I encountered the slide was doing donuts and basic slides). BMW engineering litterally makes this car just about idiot proof in all weather conditions. If I had DSC off completely the first time my tires spun I wouldve completely done a 180 on the highway but with MDM on the car drifted itself and adjusted itself based around my loosely informed inputs.
Can all this info can be applied to any and all rwd powerful cars? I plan to get my own rwd Camaro in about a month 2 months and i want to know if this applies to that kind of car as well? I do have about 2 years worth driving experience in my mothers awd Volkswagen but im sure the experience will be way different.
thats not traction control off on bmw. to fully disable it you have to press and hold the button for a few seconds, than you dont have any assistance it is YOLO mode :) only pressing the button like you did and said you still have minor assistance and dtc is on.
I can, it's just 10x easier if the car does it I did a short section in another video where I was like "here, just for the people that don't think I can heel-toe lol"
Great video. I do have a question. I've been struggling with taking off, the car jumps from in first and in second. Is my issue, too little power with too much clutch or too much power with too little clutch. I appreciate all feedback.
Thank you kindly! It's funny you say this - I've been working on my 1-2 shift a lot recently. It's the hardest one to get smooth... I think it's just a feel thing. Personally I'm trying everything until something clicks - doing it faster, slower, hard, gentle. Haven't found it yet. I did the most disgusting clutch drop going into 2nd when I was getting frustrated... never again.
Idk but there was nothing spirited in this driving, so of course it is safe and easy to drive such a car. I am having hard times with my 500hp stage 3 og m2 with 265 square setup if i am not careful. Time to try 265/295 staggered setup.
You find a bump in a fast corner you’re definitely gonna have a problem. Trust me I know this from experience, 60-70mph it will snap so quick you’re in for a hell of a ride.
my only concern is on these small roads i need to trust the other person doesn’t come out onto my side of the road especially in corners so I always drive slow on these roads lol.
If you only drive on dry tarmac with cars that have less then 200hp it will not make much difference if you drive RWD or FWD. But in winter on snow and ice the difference is like night and day... RWD is 1000 times more fun in the winter when you can drift around the corners :) And for me RWD is safer, i hate FWD in winter... Also if you go up in power at some point the FWD becomes useless because of wheel spin.
Don't buy rwd in winter if you new to rwd with power first month with my 370Z I had like 4 sketchy situations and I was just driving normally cuz I came from stockish mx5 and 200hp fwd Honda. Even if you are carefully they will catch you lacking. Keep in mind my first half a year with the car TC was always on unless I wanted to go sideways [which I did lol] after which I turned TC back on right after and it will still catch you lacking
It's weird seeing someone driving around Telford, are you from near there or just driving around there? edit: i'm from around Telford seeing familiar roads is odd on UA-cam
Im in canada, just crashed my 450ish hp (guessing no dyno) rwd non stock jaguar xkr 2007, i dont have smart tcs. It was very cold, tires werent warm, engine wasnt warm ( wasnt pushing it at all) caught a slow slide after hitting some gravel (construction) and couldnt save it (bc of tcs) so it lead to me panicking and hitting the brakes, front caught, did a 180, slammed the rear driver wheel. No rim, no control arm, no rotor, almost broke everything. It's expensive but im fixing it, out of pocket. needless to say, sometimes tcs will be a godsend, other times it will prevent from acitng out of instinct. remember when u have it on, when u have it off and how to act accordingly. In my case, best course of action is to let off throttle and let the car slide and spin out. DO NOT THROTTLE OUT W TCS ON, you will do exactly what i did or worse. it will not work. If its off and yk what ur doing, best of luck. Wish you all the best, dont be dumb, drive safe.
There are 3 steps of traction control, if you press nearly 10 seconds, you will have DSC Off completely, second level is what holds you at that sharp enter
I'd argue that powerful front wheel drive cars have their fair share of danger as well. If you floor it in a corner at the wrong time and the front wheel spin up, there's a good chance you're going straight into a hedge. My 210hp Saab is prone to torque steer and will spin the front tyres mid bend if you upset it.
“I don’t know what i’m doing and i didn’t die, which is quite nice 😊 “
-Mick 2024
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Me enjoying the video while driving a 100hp fwd
Man my first car was a 2009 mitsubishi eclipse spyder with fwd. i loved that thing. there’s a lot of enjoyment in less powerful cars that you can have
I drive a '18 fiesta 1.6 I4, it's got a little more than 100hp and it's fwd, but the feel of that car is unbelievable for a "normal" car. Don't know if it's just the i4 1.6 non-ST version, but the liftoff oversteer and driver feel is amazing, extraordinarily fun when you learn how to push it the right way
I drive a focus ST3 250bhp fwd and they have 2 traction control settings 1 keeps on stability and the second completely turns everything assistance wise completely off, most written off ST'S have traction completely off
Hahaha mine is a 72 bhp Renault Megan
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**explains dangerous thing that can happen when driving**
"I shall demonstrate"
this is the most english thing I've seen and I love it.
Ahahahah this comment made my day 😂
glad to hear it :)
Unless you have children. 😮
Another thing to keep in mind is that no traction control system can save you if you're really stupid, especially in bad conditions.
I'd caveat this by saying modern traction control systems. The early tech was pretty dreadful
I think it can save you from any rear-end slip...
It can't save you from entering a corner too fast or something like that though
@@MickDrivesCars It depends on the car, but yeah most modern cars are great for that. Older TC open differential cars can be very sketchy in the wet.
@@BySixa My 2006 superb would not let me understeer under throttle, or oversteer at all. Even in a older car you have to really be stupid
I tested it by rapidly steering left to right in the snow to induce oversteer at about 40mph. It just used the brakes to not let me, i had to go pretty fast and be really agressive to get it to slide with traction on
Now i have an e46, so traction is mostly off. But i tested that too in the snow, and anybody could drive it
traction control is litterally a life saver. Ive lost traction at 80mph in the rain on MDM traction mode in my g80 m3 comp rwd and I went left, then right, then left, then right, then back to the middle all while keeping it in lane going 45 degrees sideways each time. Had I had DSC off I wouldve been sideways into the wall at 80 mph in the rain. Had I had full TC on I wouldnt have even began spinning at all.
I REALLY appreciate you staying on your lane as that is my biggest pet peeve, if people want to drive spirited then STAY IN YOUR LANE. Awesome video dude and nice to see a BMW driver indicating ;).
I mean, road positioning can include going into the opposing lane Aslong as you can clearly see ahead. If it’s a blind corner that’s just stupid for obvious reasons. But for certain country roads that don’t even have centre line markings it can be better for your corner exit to enter on the opposing side of the road. You just need to know what you are doing though, be respectful and know the road.
@syd9969 I respect people who stay on their side of the road as I consider them safer and more controlled drivers that can drive fast without needing to risk crossing the line, nearly been hit by bikers and cars plus yesterday a 7.5t lorry that came round a blind corner on my side of the road on a national speed limit road nearly unalived me.
@@johny79action yeh, like I said though, obviously doing that on blind corners is really stupid, irresponsible and is unskilled, so I do agree. Just certain corners that you get to know can be entered on the other side of the road for a cleaner exit. It’s hard to explain without an example but I never do go on the opposing lane in roads I don’t know unless you can clearly see everything ahead of you on an S shaped corner
@@syd9969Don’t worry I get you. It’s basic physics that you can cut a turn at higher speeds than doing a heavy angle turn
It's really hard to kick out the rear of an stock MX-5, because modern UHP tyres have become extremely good and the 110 horses aren't enough to brake traction. The most "dangerous" thing you can do in an MX-5 is to abruptly take your foot off the gas when cornering fast.
Very true
Get a mk3
@@energeticpencil2645 Why? 😅
Mk3 with BBR Stage Two - 308bhp. Even the traction control struggles. Lifted off by accident when an Amazon van pulled out on me .. was sideways for a moment ..
Short wheelbase also helps
Amazing video. I wish I seen this last year. Exactly a year ago I got an M4 Comp for the weekend and that was one of my first experiences in an RWD based car. I felt really confident in MDM mode so I switched off every aid and went for it. It was all good for an hour but as you just said, it caught me off guard for a second and the back end broke loose out of a roundabout. I ended up in a wheat field. I didnt have enough experience and these advices are amazing for that. Thanks for the video mate.
I can assure you, you can break traction. Either with rain or some momentum and weight transfer
For some reason my mind can't process him driving in the left lanes because my brain is used to see me driving in the right lanes because of my country. Its a interesting feeling tbh.
Watch it in the mirror, you’ll be fine 😉
Every corner im like " someone will be in his lane "
When I got my M235i I was incredibly surprised with how good traction control was... So much so I thought there was no way DSC off mode was much worse. Safe to say I was wrong 😂 lucky no problems and now I keep traction on at all times
Haha yeah, you have to feel the difference to understand it
4 year resurrection - bought an M235 about 8 months ago. Modded the hell out of it and it's a monster now. I've never once driven the car with dsc on. It's an incredible amount of fun being able to kick the rear out at just about any time. You just need to know and understand what to do with your hands and right foot, and be prepared to do those things at all times. If that's not something you're interesting in doing/knowing - I 100% agree - keep traction control and stability control active always. You definitely aren't going to learn what to do in a moment of surprise and panic - you need to spend time learning the car and how it operates at the limits. Track days and autocross are good for that, as are late night wet drives on open roads and parking lots. But again, if that's not your interest, keep em on and enjoy the car!
I'm so glad this video randomly came up on my feed, just bought a manual 617HP supercharged E90 M3 after owning a 230 HP automatic E46.... And it's my first time ever driving manual...
Let's go! Be careful, sensible and have a ton of fun at the right time mate. You're going to love it.
plsss take that car to a track!!!
This is all very nice and useful, and I'm going to start applying it immediately to my Toyota Corolla daily driving. Thanks, mate!
here i am trying left foot brake in my 06 corrola 💀
Bro , cool clip and the best thing about this video is at the end when you said go and practice, that's actually the most important bit ..take you rwd to track and practice as much as you can until you are confident and then all the fear goes away and you're in control..I got a 2014 Shelby GT500 and if you don't drive easy and practice until you can drive the way you want disaster can easily happen..mine for ex tc is just cutting the power off completely and if you don't know what's going on the majority will panick and lose control, with tc off the advanced tc is still on but (at least in mine ) if you keep the tc button pressed for.7-8.seconds it wil disable everything so it will be just you and the V8 , that's where the true skill comes in play that you'll have to train for if you want to be a badass rwd..best of all to you and everyone and drive safe .
Kick down is super terrifying in the auto G87. With TSC off and auto you could very easily send it off the road. Any ‘fast driving’ you have to keep it in sequential.
*watching his info about traction control knowing damn well my 87 supra with 450hp+ will not have any sort of concept of traction control*
felt that it should be known it is not being bought this way. I bought it when almost completely stock a couple years ago and learned manual with it and am now rebuilding for more power. happy I learned when it only had 240 odd hp cause I gained valuable experience that would have been a deathly scenario with 400+ and no air bags
What I love about my 2020 BRZ , is that it has allegedly 200HP , dyno - 30 :)
So when the backend steps a bit you giggle rather than screaming for dear life , a good platform to learn how RWD behavs
Yes... My friends Nissan Silvia s15 with around 300hp was a very nice car to drive in the winter on snow and ice, never gave you and surprises. And when the rear started to slide it was just fun with no drama.
"I shall demonstrate"😁 Yes, such occasions do teach us to be better gentle on the throttle and fully alert, even if the traction control does its best (learned myself this with 5.7 Hemi that has much more torque than the little V6). All your points shown and commented are truly spot on, very good to watch! Many thanks for this video
My first rwd car was a GT86, such a fun car and safe due lack of power couldn't imagine what it would be like with more power 😂
Agreed. You should try a GR86. I've driven a GT86, an M2 and a GR86. The GR86 is hands down the best of the three. Not as powerful as an M2, but dynamically superior. Yes you read that right, I'm glad I chose my Toyota over an M2. Most fun this side of a Porsche you can have on road and track.
@@michaeltarlowski9316 Mmm here it is not possible to find GT86 or GR86 that cost less then a Porsche Cayman... ;( So I am going for the Porsche Cayman :)
I also had a 460hp rwd manual as well. Shit was fun
My mx5 was awesome for slides at under the speed limit. So fun and controllable.
Just ordered a manual M3.. my first manual car! Super excited. Although my current daily is a huracan evo RWD, so I’m not overly concerned about handling the power 😜 Thanks for the video!
Very nice!
Oh yeah for sure Jason
lambo as a daily
@@yesyes9943 lol I’ll post a vid of it for you if you want. I have a Tesla which was supposed to be my daily, but I never drive it because the Lambo is too much fun. And I decided to not care about resale
@@nadir7936 what’s wrong with a manual M3?
My very first fast car is a nissan silvia s15 (440whp) and weighs only 1250kg...no traction control etc. Only abs which seems to be disabled now after putting in a 1.5 way nismo lsd.
I only drive it in the dry but can easily get it sideways. Makes me nervous every time I get in it but its a proper drivers car and I love it.
Jeez, that insane tbh
When I got the M2 I actually SERIOUSLY considered this exact car. There was an S15 with ~400bhp and all the right mods for sale near me. I wanted to get that+a boring daily.
Unfortunately I live in the UK and the car would just rust away so in the end I didn't do it.
One day,
Same here. But i have twice less power and twice worse tires :)
A friend of mine had a Silvia S15 with around 300++ hp and it was a very nice car to drive in the winter. If it was slippery and you had to much gas or the turbo kicked in the rear would slide and all you had to do was let a little of the gas and counter steer and you was good to go. Never felt nervous or scary to drive that car, so maybe a little less HP is the way to go on the Silvia lol ;).
My 2018 340i is my first RWD car. I have it tuned Stage 2+ (about 460whp). I also live in a snowy climate (Buffalo NY). I have had some learning moments (and the BMW TCS definitely saved my ass as few times). I am sure there will be a lot more learning. The biggest thing so far was getting proper tires, it increased my confidence tenfold since the break away became much more progressive from the tires in all climate. The stock RFTs were harder, and more prone to sliding. The Michelin PS4S that I have now will start to complain and get lighter before fully ripping away. I had a 2013 Audi S4 before this and Quattro was easy mode. It was mainly understeer. I do feel like the 340i is making me a much better driver, whereas Quattro did all the heavy lifting in the Audi. It’s so much more rewarding.
Thanks for the video!
Don’t know if to pick the S4 Supercharger or the 340i which one is the beter car?
@@M-POWER777 the 340i is a superior car. Lighter (by about 250lbs), faster, more tunable, better economy, better transmission (the DL501 is often what breaks on the S4 but the ZF8 is a masterclass), better handling (as I said the S4 has terrible understeer, the 340i has 51-49 balance compared to 57/43 in the S4), better brakes (4 piston fixed Brembo on the 340i vs single piston floating on the S4).
The S4 had two things better going for it: better seats, and a stock LSD. The rest is 340i the whole way imo. And you can chance seats and an LSD if you want (the seat are fine just the S4 ones were better).
My car also has traction control. It's a 100hp FWD. It's designated as the "turn me off to make 1st gear smoother" button
I’ve only had 4 FWD cars , Renault 5 GT Turbo , Nissan GTI , Alfa Sprint Veloce , Mini Cooper S Conv . All good fun but torque steer , under steer in all . I’m now 70 + and love my MX 5 , great fun in snow and wet roundabouts .
I had a 440i and I now have an F82 M4, I can’t just floor it now like I could in the 440i. I respect the additional power and certainly leave traction on when it’s wet. If I use MDM or DSC off I’ll always use sequential, UK roads terrible. I do want to book some track days though.
Good video mate.
I drive an E36 325tds with a retune, which really isn't that powerful but it is torquey, and what I tend to find is that if your car has a bit of weight (and an open diff), you'll have a fun skid if you pull limiter on 1st and 2nd gear, but the car reliably goes back into itself. I thought it would be a nightmare, but its a very enjoyable (and often, predictable) experience. You hear absolute horror stories of RWD cars, I think its a case of people just overhyping.
As an added note, my Honda Civic taught me to love driving (and how to drive a slow car fast), but the E36 taught me to love the machine. I hope everyone finds a car that makes you feel like that!
This is perfect for my Mustang GT as a very inexperienced RWD driver - thank you!
the most important piece of advice i like to give to beginner mustang drivers is straighten out the car before hitting the throttle, and if you go sideways, let go of the throttle and let the steering wheel spin on its own
@@static7985 thank you! Is it not wise to countersteer when lifting off the throttle then?
@99minimev99 by letting go of the wheel when sliding the car will naturally countersteer for you. you never want to forcefully countersteer, that is going to lead to you spinning out completely.
that's the thing that beginners don't get. and good thing you're smart enough to ask. the car is smarter than you think. let go of the steering wheel and let the car handle it, once its straight catch and DO NOT throttle. once you get good then you start practicing throttle control. Trust throttle control is better to have than counter steer cause without it there's no point of counter steer.
Thank you both, obviously fingers crossed it doesn’t happen, but that bit of info might be the difference between causing a loss of control and a straightforward recovery of traction!
Ive never owned RWD till recently, when i got my self BMW E82 128i i was scared so much xD I thought it would step out all the time xD Its so scary when you never expirianced it.
Great video. My M140i was / is my first RWD car and almost 3 years later I'm still alive. Touch wood. However, many years ago I did crash my girlfriend's MG TF when I learned the hard way of what not to do with RWD! I drive my M140i with the traction control on most of the time if I'm honest. It's completely stock so no LSD and I don't fancy finding the limits of it's open diff the hard way like i did with that MG 😂
I really should have gone into the diff dilemma in the video
I actually think that open diffs are a little more dangerous as they're unpredictable. With an LSD the car does the same thing every time and it's far easier to control.
I'll drink to the fallen MG TF :)
@@MickDrivesCarsOpen diff is scary…noticed that in my mx5 when it rained. It just broke out randomly and sometimes very unpredictable
I’m getting a manual 2012 1 series does it have traction control?
Gone from a bam Leon 290bhp for 7 years to a e60 530d manual 2004 around 270/80, and I’m impressed big ol girl but power comes in nicely and rear wheel drive is challenging you have to respect it lol but it’s worth it , I drive with everything off to get to know the car, I’ve never had a rwd before 🤞3 months in, an no ditch yet 😂
very good video. just recently bought a 2020 f82 and was super worried about how to handle it. my first car which was the car before the f82 (2006 honda civic) was no where near the power of the bmw lol. glad i stumbled upon this video 👍🏼 respect, not fear
Buy as a side car, drift beater an e46, or e36 with welded diff. Will help you a lot.
I have e34 200hp with an lsd, Now I guess I can manage any rear wheel drive car. Cuz this beamer has enough power to kill me especially in a wet weather while overtaking.
Also, do not turn off traction while in trafic, only at some parkings. 400hp in a such light car can do anything. Be careful
I don't own a car and I found this video very entertaining to watch ❤
Just bought a AMG GTS and will take delivery in a few weeks. It's my first supercar. Any tips? :)
its good to turn tc off and practice drifting in a forgiving spot. cause then it teach you how to control your car without traction, then it teach you how to break traction, then it teach you how to not break traction. all that is better than anything tc can give you
especially if it rains cause you can drift slower and you have more time to think.
Great video !
I had a stage 1 120d for 4 years and now have a 2016 m135i I’ve had over a year and I don’t get how people spin them out within a couple months owning rwd you just gotta be brave and know what you’re doing if things don’t go your way knowing what your car is capable off, traction helps a lot but if you wanna have some fun turn dsc off🤣
Subscribed! very impressed with your style of video... Kinda confirm what I already knew, but as someone whos never driven rear wheel, reassuring! Getting my X3M comp next month!!
Awesome, thank you!
can't believe i'm so early, love your videos mick ❤ they help a lot!
4:21 this is exactly what killed my mx5 I know it’s not as powerful as an M2 but I came out of a roundabout with TC off and kick down dropped 2 gears, you can imagine what happened next
A nice drift around the roundabout? That is what I do with RWD cars in roundabouts lol ;)
Not just traction control. Automatic stability control. Traction control can make power oversteer far worse. If the traction control cuts power to the wheels, weight is thrown onto the front (which grip more) and the rear becomes light - sometimes even leaving the surface of the road). The car then pivots around the front wheels. ASC has yaw sensors. If it feels the car drift or rotate, it can brake individual wheels and alter power delivery to the rear wheels, to try and bring the car back to "straight and level." You can see that if the traction control kicks in at the wrong time, the ASC can't operate, because there's no weight on the rear wheels and therefore no friction between the tyres and the road.
Absolutely hated the stability control on my moms Polo ;( All it did was make the car impossible to turn so instead of getting a easily controllable slide it would just go straight ahead if you had to much speed in a turn. Stability control on that car was a killer... That car was much safer to drive in the winter with stability control of.
@a64738 Good point. There are many drivers who haven't a clue what to do in a slide. For them, ASC, ABS, and traction control are safer options. I usually turn my driver aids off when I'm driving "spiritedly" but if I'm just on a gentle relaxed drive, I leave them on. My car has rear wheel drive, and it can bite aggressively if I stamp on the accelerator without being ready to put in opposite lock.
Ive found that driving with paddles is better in wet weather as you can control the car much bettrr when it comes on boost
I got my driver's license in Volvo 940 (manual). ~150BHP on real wheels won't sound too crazy but considering middle of winter, surrounded by ice and snow. And traction control? Nope. So if something, it taught me to respect and use the power wisely.
Great execution and great drive done with safety always considered. Keep them coming Mick.
Fairly spirited video!
I was just watching all your educational videos to become a better driver. What a coincidence that when I finish all your old ones you post a new one
Don't.
This guy hasn't got a clue
Haha 😎
@MickDrivesCars these are not educational driving videos; they're more like, "Mick talks out loud his thoughts whilst driving."
Problem is, you're not qualified or experienced enough to be telling people how to drive, and I'm horrified to see people commenting like this.
@@alivekicking6247 bro is mad for no reason
@user-cz9zn6zq6w very good reason: we've got someone here encouraging terrible driving and influencing inexperienced drivers with no caveat that he has absolutely zero fast road driving qualifications.
He needs to stop telling people how to drive, "spiritly" as if he knows what he's talking about.
The least he could do is confess he's not a trained fast driving instructor and that his audience should be aware.
The mind boggles at what these videos are encouraging.
This guy is NOT a fast road driving instructor, and has no place doing these videos to a young driver audience without any caveat: which is that he is not trained.
And this latest video on rear drive cars is nonsense.
I hope noone ends up dead or killing anyone else after watching these.
I have the same car, short shift install made it so much better!
Actually the #1 thing I'm considering
I would be wary of trusting traction control too much. It's going to prevent power delivery but doesn't necessarily prevent slides. Depending on the situation it can actually make a slide worse. I would recommend learning to control cars with assists off in a safe place or simulator.
I had a unexpected slip with RWD is last summer, (and i casually had TCS off that day in my 86), i was going to join the dual carriage way and due to roadworks and good weather that previously happened, i slipped as i built up speed whilst turning from the roundabout, I didnt think much of it at first as im quite calm whilst driving, but i had a good 20-30 degrees on that as i was facing the barrier for a second, but as i was calm, all i had do do was re align with no power as its typically a really tame car to the point people question how can you crash one yourself.
Oh, i also remember that i basically powerslid in front of a bus in the rain with my jag XE too, but that was just too much power and zero grip, so i kinda expected it that day, and i was doing like 12mph i just looked like a prat.
Great vid!
my first (drift) car is an '02 lexus is300. the traction control light is constantly blinking itself on and off. must be broken. I thought it was harmless until I went to take my first left turn on wet road surface and instantly went sideways. I drive an auto and my car has already been used and abused but still goes like factory new besides the traction control and ABS not functioning proudly
My dream car ❤️ Thanks so much for this. Too many people mack cars like this because they don’t know how to adapt their driving if all they’ve known is FWD/AWD.
Wasn't that long ago I was throwing around an '03 Civic. You'll get there 👊
2:12 I always thought this is what Electronic Stability Control (ESC) does?
Exaclty, I just made a comment about it as well.
it also sharpens the throttle response :)
hiya mate. great vid as per usual. how long do we have to wait before a review on how you're enjoying the car? would love to hear how it compares to the joys of the megane! all the best
I'll be doing a full review 100%
But there's too many things I want to do first! Next video is all about the manual :)
@@MickDrivesCars sounds good man. thanks for the reply. take care and i'll be waiting for the next one :D
very useful for mustang owners👍
Mick what is your car’s specifications please
Take it to a track day at a skid pad, and then a track day for real. You'll upgrade the limiting factor, driving skill.
I think you should've pointed out the difference between ESC and Traction control, because half of the time you actually meant ESC and not traction control.
Can you point me out to good explanation?
@@EreZm1 in short: ESC blocks indiviual wheels of the car. Let's say you are turning right, but your car starts slipping forward not turning right and when the sensors detect that, the ESC will automatically block your let's say back right wheel so that your car can turn around it and make the right turn.
ESC can also limit the power.
Traction control basically controls spininnig. If the sensor detects when you press the gas pedal that the wheels are spinning too much, it would limit the power.
ESC helps you go in the direction you want to go.
Traction control prevents you from spinning, which could also make your car loose control.
@@milchomilchev853 thank you! These are the 2 options I have on my 2024 BRZ.
ESC basically is the opposite of welded differential?
@@EreZm1 in a way, yes, you could say so. ESC is mandotry in cars since 2011/2012 so by default it is always on unless a person chooses to turn it off. Sports cars have different levels of ESC depending on what you want to achive. For sport driving you want some slip and drifting to take a turn faster, but for everyday driving ESC has shown to save many lives over the years.
An MX5 is definitely a good introduction to RWD😁
Love the vid bro
This is telford??
Great video Mick! By any chances, could You please share the gear You are filiming the POVs with and settings?
I've seen the GoPro videos on your channel, but it seems the quality has very well improved since then :)
I would be massively thankful, cheers!
Next week's video is actually a deep dive on exactly this!
Highlights : I'm now using a DJI Action 4, 10-bit colour and a colour grade which lots of people have noticed and commented about!
7:43 this is called snap - oversteer
Can you make a video for front wheel drive🙏
Very engaging video as always. I need to try such a powerful car, especially a manual. Can you get the bigger ones as manual or only the 2 series? Most I've driven is around 200-220 bhp. I enjoyed my 1999 BMW 323i which if it had traction control it was useless. I also had 225s on the front and 255s at the rear and remember practically floating down a motorway at high speed in the rain. Lots of fun. I learned to control RWDs in a CLK 320 that had the traction control fault so it had none. Floored it out of a junction like the one you showed and went sideways. But when TC is working on old Mercs it's actually quite good at keeping the car gripping. I'm yet to drive any more modern RWD, let alone a powerful one. I think the newest I've driven that had more than 200 bhp or close to it was a 2006 E320 CDI.
You can get the M4 non-comp in manual I believe, but that's the biggest.
To be fair this gen of M2 is a LARGE car :)
bro i need to know what kind of mount and camera you use the view and the quality are crazy good. i am serious if someone knows please tell me :)
I have a video spelling it all out.
I honestly think it's the best POV guide on youtube
MDM traction mode is amazing. It lets you push the engine like traction is off without much intervention and if your angle is crazy it controls it. Ive lost traction at 80 mph in the rain in my g80 comp rwd with MDM mode on and even with my lackluster drift skils and basic understanding of oversteer I was able to flick the car to the left 45 degrees, then the right, then left, then right, and finally back to the middle. I started sliding because I gassed it way too hard while switching lanes and all I did was slightly ease the throttle while being still on it and counter steering the slides. The MDM mode made it so that i didnt get past 45 degrees on either side. With DSC off I would have not had the skill necessary to counter steer. With MDM mode I managed to countersteer and drift at 80mph and make multiple smooth connections from left to right before making it back to middle despite having litterally 0 proper drift experience (only experience before I encountered the slide was doing donuts and basic slides). BMW engineering litterally makes this car just about idiot proof in all weather conditions. If I had DSC off completely the first time my tires spun I wouldve completely done a 180 on the highway but with MDM on the car drifted itself and adjusted itself based around my loosely informed inputs.
Couldn't agree more!
I will say, once I'm on the motorway the driving mode generally goes back to comfort and TC goes to on
It is great to know your driving limits👏
Can all this info can be applied to any and all rwd powerful cars? I plan to get my own rwd Camaro in about a month 2 months and i want to know if this applies to that kind of car as well? I do have about 2 years worth driving experience in my mothers awd Volkswagen but im sure the experience will be way different.
thats not traction control off on bmw. to fully disable it you have to press and hold the button for a few seconds, than you dont have any assistance it is YOLO mode :) only pressing the button like you did and said you still have minor assistance and dtc is on.
My friend, why do you have gear shift assistant off? I have the ‘21 G80 M3 base and I blip my own gears..
I can, it's just 10x easier if the car does it
I did a short section in another video where I was like "here, just for the people that don't think I can heel-toe lol"
Great video. I do have a question. I've been struggling with taking off, the car jumps from in first and in second. Is my issue, too little power with too much clutch or too much power with too little clutch. I appreciate all feedback.
Thank you kindly!
It's funny you say this - I've been working on my 1-2 shift a lot recently. It's the hardest one to get smooth... I think it's just a feel thing. Personally I'm trying everything until something clicks - doing it faster, slower, hard, gentle. Haven't found it yet. I did the most disgusting clutch drop going into 2nd when I was getting frustrated... never again.
@@MickDrivesCars Thank you very much. I appreciate you taking the time to reply and share your experiences.
my plan is to import an c5 corvette from the us to europe by next summer, thats why im now getting an e36
Idk but there was nothing spirited in this driving, so of course it is safe and easy to drive such a car. I am having hard times with my 500hp stage 3 og m2 with 265 square setup if i am not careful. Time to try 265/295 staggered setup.
Thank you very much for your effort
We would like to see some drifting
I suck tho 😂
sick video as always man, love the videos, and appreciated you telling people get an mx5 ;)
You find a bump in a fast corner you’re definitely gonna have a problem. Trust me I know this from experience, 60-70mph it will snap so quick you’re in for a hell of a ride.
What camera are you using mate?
It's a DJI Action 4
You might like tomorrow's vid
hopefully my next car is also RWD. No hate on AWD or FWD. Would like to have all 3 styles in my life.
I'd skip FWD
Can you please do a video on how you are getting such a good POV angle? Thanks
It's actually already filmed! Lots of people have been asking for it. Should be out in about 2 weeks
@@MickDrivesCars thanks!
Coming tomorrow :)
Can you do a video about fast FWD or how to safely drive fast in a FWD smth like that…
2:38 BMW DSC is a little spicy.
my only concern is on these small roads i need to trust the other person doesn’t come out onto my side of the road especially in corners so I always drive slow on these roads lol.
Rev match into second made me snap oversteer twice in fast rwd xar. No dtc
what camera do you use?
DJI Action 4
Did they flip the camera or is it just me what was that guy actually driving on the wrong side of the road
Mick, can you explain the difference in feeling between a powerful FWD and a RWD with Traction Control? I mean, in the end, why buy a RWD?
If you only drive on dry tarmac with cars that have less then 200hp it will not make much difference if you drive RWD or FWD. But in winter on snow and ice the difference is like night and day... RWD is 1000 times more fun in the winter when you can drift around the corners :) And for me RWD is safer, i hate FWD in winter... Also if you go up in power at some point the FWD becomes useless because of wheel spin.
Don't buy rwd in winter if you new to rwd with power first month with my 370Z I had like 4 sketchy situations and I was just driving normally cuz I came from stockish mx5 and 200hp fwd Honda. Even if you are carefully they will catch you lacking. Keep in mind my first half a year with the car TC was always on unless I wanted to go sideways [which I did lol] after which I turned TC back on right after and it will still catch you lacking
10/10 video
Thanks dude
It's weird seeing someone driving around Telford, are you from near there or just driving around there?
edit: i'm from around Telford seeing familiar roads is odd on UA-cam
Yep, moved here end of last year :)
@@MickDrivesCars how you finding it? I've lived here all my life (only 18).
Im in canada, just crashed my 450ish hp (guessing no dyno) rwd non stock jaguar xkr 2007, i dont have smart tcs. It was very cold, tires werent warm, engine wasnt warm ( wasnt pushing it at all) caught a slow slide after hitting some gravel (construction) and couldnt save it (bc of tcs) so it lead to me panicking and hitting the brakes, front caught, did a 180, slammed the rear driver wheel. No rim, no control arm, no rotor, almost broke everything. It's expensive but im fixing it, out of pocket. needless to say, sometimes tcs will be a godsend, other times it will prevent from acitng out of instinct. remember when u have it on, when u have it off and how to act accordingly. In my case, best course of action is to let off throttle and let the car slide and spin out. DO NOT THROTTLE OUT W TCS ON, you will do exactly what i did or worse. it will not work. If its off and yk what ur doing, best of luck. Wish you all the best, dont be dumb, drive safe.
There are 3 steps of traction control, if you press nearly 10 seconds, you will have DSC Off completely, second level is what holds you at that sharp enter
Have an M3 comp and fully admit, I am worried to take it out of 4WD w DSC off. My first powerful car - period.
Yeah be careful, the full DSC off experience takes some skill
I would ease in with 2WD + MDM to start
Sounds you have far more money than driving skill.
Get a low powered Rwd car and lean how to drive.
@@jpldriver bought the car at 22, didn’t have time to learn
@@samiwasti8400 Didn't have time to learn.
It takes years to drive a car properly.,What's the rush?
Making a mistake could kill you!
Manual shifter?!♥️👍👍👍
I'd argue that powerful front wheel drive cars have their fair share of danger as well. If you floor it in a corner at the wrong time and the front wheel spin up, there's a good chance you're going straight into a hedge. My 210hp Saab is prone to torque steer and will spin the front tyres mid bend if you upset it.
Very fair.
It's a lot "safer" though. You can just lift and 99% of the time it'll regrip.
Do that in a rwd car and 'round you go 😂
My r34 GTT kicks out with traction on like anything. If the traction control is off it’s like driving on ice
my favorite car ❤
thank you very much i realy enjoy your knowledge please do a manula driving tips for begginers
down shift up shift stick shift .....
Next week's video :)
Me watching with 85hp suv which has FWD 🙃