the worst thing this show did was how it completely breezed through Bucky's confession to killing his friend's son. A scene which should have shaped Bucky going forward. It's like Bucky himself directed that scene.
I noticed the same problem in some episodes : the camera is way too close, so we can't see much of the action.. That's unfortunate when the fights choreography seems great :/
I think that was a choice from the DP and Cinematography team to use close-up camera angles to make you feel as uncomfortable and in your face as a visual storytelling tool. Doesn't explain it for all of the episodes/scenes, but I know that visual storytelling was something they were focused on with this series
@@useyourimaginasean but the camera even shakes in normal conversations ,,like when zemo show turkeys candys..or during sam speech...i guess they forgot to buy a tripod
@@FULANODETAL yeah it definitely isn't stable in certain scenes where I would just appreciate more angles, or lock it off on a tripod. Like you said, the shaky cam is in scenes that it is reaching for artistic expression i.e. zemo and the candies/ Sam's speech. When a camera is handheld, the shakiness is supposed to make the viewer feel uneasy/unsettled or like it's a POV in regard to visual storytelling techniques so I kind of see what they were trying to do but it can also ruin the immersion once you pick up on it or if it is distracting
I would have HATED to see Sam get the super serum in this show- I really think it would have gone against the message of this series and I am so glad they didn't go that route
I wish the show had connected the dots about how EVERYONE has been chasing the Captain America super serum since WWII. Zeno could have used the Hulk to make his point
I feel like a huge problem with Marvel's hand to hand combat is that the editors don't really seem to trust the actors choreography. If you look at the BTS of any movie or show, you'll see that the actors seem more than capable of pulling these stunts but once we go to the editing, its all chopped and shaky almost like they want to add a sense of uneasiness but the truth is that's not really the case. Movies like John Wick and even some DC films have proved that long action takes are not only possible, but far more enjoyable than shaky cam and quick edits.
I think part of the problem is how harsh people can be when nitpicking movies. Look at the throne room fight from The Last Jedi, which was almost entirely performed by Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver themselves, who put in a TON of work. But because there were a handful of little errors, people proclaimed it the worst thing ever and still harp on it. But if you do the Taken/Bourne shakycam thing, then no one can claim continuity errors because there is basically no continuity. (*taps forehead*)
@@jasonblalock4429 i didn't think about this. But honestly i completely understand it from their point of view but still the praise they get from those scenes as well is the people who will pay them more for that and for longer than the other ones who will nitpick it. Captain America 3 gets it criticism but like the scene of Bucky and steve fighting iron man, I believe is unanimously loved. Not to mention the airport scene which also has it's issues as well
@@jasonblalock4429 harsh... nitpicking... that scene simply doesn't work. You might not see it that way, but I've always enjoyed good, clear action scenes so watching it wasn't really enjoyable for me. I've seen how many times they should have died and didn't and it was annoying. The build up is great, then the action starts and there is just 6 guys doing some fancy dancing . Later, it splits the characters and it actually watchable, because you can do the "oh, that guy did this, but she did that, so this happened". You just cannot do it with the first action scene. Like at all. And the problem is that it was supposed to be the "money shot of the whole scene".
Bucky is the definition of when you fight the character vs when you get the character. In winter soldier, he could match up to Steve. Since then, he seemingly has lost all skill
@@alexmote6779 they may be super soldiers but they both still have limits. Cap struggled to stop a helicopter which only weighs 1 ton. Bucky got overpowered by Panther who at best can only lift like 2 tons. And yeah cap does have a vibranium shield so I give him that but there is absolutely no way bucky should of damaged iron man even with his metal arm considering he could not beat cap with it and fit overpowered by tchalla of all people. As for iron man not lifting a tank yeah your right war machine did that in a mcu comic. static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11139/111390482/6989849-screenshot%202019-07-02%20at%2012.09.54%20pm.png Iron man should scale to This because they were dead even when they fought in iron man 2 tho which is why I brought that up. This is before civil war btw as you can tell by the picture. Anyway iron man should murder bucky or cap hand to hand with neither being able to damage iron man through fist who has tanked missile fire with no issue. Cap can only hurt iron man with his vibranium shield otherwise his punches should do nothing.
It's honestly a crime how severely underused bucky is even in the series with his name literally in it. it's almost like the title was The Falcon and the ᵂᶦⁿᵗᵉʳ ˢᵒˡᵈᶦᵉʳ
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 that the point bra he doesn't want to fight he was op b/c he was a brainwashed assassin who killed for years and years he's trying to move past that so why tf would he still be as brutal as the winter soldier and he showed he still is a strong when he had to act like he still was him with zemo and sam in the bar fight he is still powerful he is a super soldier he's not nerfed he's just not trying to fight anymore
I actually think Sharon's fight in the docks was the single best action sequence in the whole series - also the one I remember the *most* because I remember thinking at the time, this is the single best action sequence in the whole series. Well choreographed, well shot, well edited - didn't resort to cheap gimmicks, just well done.
so i had no idea that they promised "movie quality" so i expected tv quality and i got pretty good tv quality so I was never that disappointed with the later fight scenes, they didnt look as good as the opening but yeah really rings true to "no expectations = no disappointment"
@@Henlak- No , it was fitting according to his storytelling in FAWS . He hated his WS days, that brutality u saw in CAWS was him still under control of hydra so he was not holding back and was just killing machine and not human, whereas in FAWS he was trying to shed his WS persona and be human again . U really missed the point of FAWS.
Films don't make better action scenes than shows, compare Captain Marvel to Daredevil. It's just depend on how much time they allocate to each action scene.
Correct but generally, films have a higher budget and can spend more time on choreography and direction. You've just compared two things, that doesn't prove anything when you think about the bigger picture.
daredevil was perfection and I’m a bit apprehensive with how the MCU will spotlight Matt and how he fights (nothing has been said about him in the MCU) like I don’t believe they’ll do a good job compared the the masterpiece daredevil was (specifically seasons 1&2). I want him there but I already know it’ll fall a bit flat
I can't help but feel that the russos get way too much credit for their action sequences. Undoubtedly they play a huge part yes. But generally fight scenes are shot by the first AD. Watch the LOTR extended cut director's commentary, jackson is always giving his 1st and 2nd AD's shout outs on great action sequences that they directed. The final duel between aragorn and the archer orc in FOTR was shot by either the 1st or 2nd AD while jackson was shooting something else.
One of the biggest things in an action sequence is how much the audience care about the fighting sides. That's why Civil War's final battle is easily in top 5 fights for me - not because it's well choreographed; because it's heartbreaking And damn man, the Russos can make you care
the russos action sequences are not even that good. They seem to have good choreography and stunt work but its shot awfully and its edited to shit. Bunch of marvel fanboys are going to pissed by my comment
@@RyanSmith-qr7jg i respect your opinion, but I love the fight sequences in winter soldier they are beautiful, I must say in some scenes in civil war were cut to much like how when black panther took down Bucky there were 5 cuts for a 1 second take down, but most of it was good IMO, Russo brothers do a really good job on them for the most part but some flaws, but still my favorite
I just want to say I really appreciate how you critique things without malice. You're not saying we should hate this and it sucks. Just giving some valid criticism. Your videos are always a joy to watch, especially your videos on Captain America!
The Sharon Carter fight scene is definitely one I remember. I remember rewinding a part to see if a part was all one take (it wasn't), but the quality of the filmmaking did stand out to me.
yes the winter soldier is supposedly a living legend super soldier with a vibranium arm who can take down a country in one night with minimal people (explanation from civil war) and . . . . . he is limited to punching and kicking. tbh i was hoping the action are as good as captain america the winter soldier movie or at least as good as the punisher or daredevil but. . sadly that is not the case
Bucky isn’t the winter soldier in this show. He’s not operating by the same rules or the same creed. Besides, this series features “The Falcon” as the first name in the title. Most of the show should have been about Sam’s transition into Captain America. Bucky will most likely get some sort of focus in the coming fourth installment in the Captain America series. It might not be what we expected, but there was a lot weighing against this show- pandemic, rewrites forced by Disney, a later release date. Wait for the next movie, I have a feeling we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.
@@PhippsJonah yes bucky isnt the winter soldier anymore but he still got the memories of every mission he was in and obviously the memory of all of his conditioning and training to become winter soldier, like in madripoor scene when bucky pretending to be winter soldier and zemo pretend to control him, he was shown to be a force that you wont mess with but . . . . . the other fight scene of him just weak just like full fat videos said, i know studio meddle with a project ect but i was hoping the show would adopt good fight scene like in the movie or in daredevil or the punisher, all of the falcon aerial combat scene is good, even sharon fight scen is fantastic, but bucky fight scene just doesnt sell super soldier with metal arm with hand to hand, espionage, infiltration, assasination and etc training.
@@albioncia I agree cause Bucky, to use his training and skill doesn’t need to be winter soldier deadly but what the show did to deduce him to punching, kicking, and using heavy objects to fight fell flat rover and over again. I know, from a character standpoint he might not want to use what he learned when he as force to be the winter soldier, so the only thing I can hope for is that they show him separating how he fights and how he learned to
@@jasmine-tu2hq and in the last episode they use winter soldier scream from cap winter soldier movie maybe to indicate that bucky still can be unpredictable and can be a winter soldier again just feels lame and pathethic
I feel like the show was just laying the character development groundwork for Captain America 4, now they've got the character development sorted they can go full action in the movie. It makes sense as character development takes more time than action sequences and could slow the movie down if they're going for an all out action movie.
It doesn’t make sense though. Your reassuming doesn’t have anything to actually do with how the action shots were filmed. You could make the actions scenes the same length while having the cinematography of the action scene shot better. It wouldn’t be taking any time away from the character seems to move their development.
If I'm a director, I would do something similar as the Netflix Daredevil series, filmed in one shot and following the Main Characters as they fight. No need for quick cuts, nor close ups, and SCREW shaky cam.
For me, the worst aspect of the show by far was Karli. It really rubbed me the wrong way the way she was portrayed as this “fallen angel” with big puppy dog eyes and they still had her steal from the poor to feed the poor. Like, she genuinely believes it’s people’s own fault for dying, that it was ever okay to threaten Sam’s sister and nephews. I think they wanted to have her be like Killmonger but the difference was Black Panther never made excuses for his villainy, they dissected it. I actively rooted for the flag smashers to be stopped in the same way I wanted Aim or Hydra stopped, and I feel no shame whatsoever in referring to her as a terrorist. If the mask fits.....
i agree that the worst and most lazy aspect of the show was karli, though i have completely different reasons for why. in my opinion, they failed at making karli and the flag smashers actually compelling characters, to the point where i, an anarchist who was very on board with karli's ideas at first and excited to see how they'd deconstruct her ideology, was so sick of her by episode 5 that i was just waiting for her pretty-obviously-going-to-happen death. if i wanted to watch yet another villain with no nuance, whose actions are driven solely by what the plot needs in order for it to be a nicely wrapped up package for the audience, and who is the paragon of the tired cliche, 'has the right idea, but the wrong methods', then i would just pirate any other generic action movie instead of paying for disney plus to watch this otherwise fun show. there's this meme going around that marvel's next villain is going to be a guy called killworker who proclaims that all labourers must unite to rise against their oppressors, which he says as he slits a child's throat. reflecting on the way the mcu treats all of their antagonists who aren't disney villain level evil, i honestly would not be surprised if this actually happened.
I honestly really liked that Sam didn't take the serum. Sam is not Steve, and giving him the serum would be like saying "be more like Steve" and that's not the point, Sam doesn't want to be an imitation (that's literally why he didn't like John). He's going to be captain being himself, and him being a regular dude it's part of his charm.
Agreed, and we've all complained on Bucky's weird power scaling. He went from giving Steve and T'Challa a run for their money, to struggling against teens with SS running in their veins But those Winter Soldier scenes, both in flashbacks and when Zemo was "controlling" him, were BAD.ASS🦾🦾
For what it's worth, the FlagSmashers had the serum for what? A few weeks or months? Bucky's been fighting for multiple decades. Brute strength alone isn't going to match up to someone who has decades of experience.
Exactly. An experienced fighter will usually beat a stronger rookie. Experience counts for a great deal. Especially since Bucky was cryogenically frozen, so is still in his prime. It's not like he's slowing due to age. Karli is only what? Early twenties? She got a little experience as a brusier working as an enforcer for the Power Broker, but that doesn't compare to the extensive and brutal training HYDRA put Bucky through, plus his years of experience as an assassin and fighter.
An addendum about Bucky's experience though - he's had the serum for decades, but once he was trained, he was kept cryogenically frozen until he was needed. He was brought out for the really important, this-cannot-fail missions. He doesn't have decades of experience, despite having the serum for decades. Still should have won though. Karli isn't old enough to legally drink in the US, while Bucky was fighting a pitched battle against aliens a few months ago (from his perspective). Bucky has fought supersoldiers, demigods, aliens and monsters. Karli has fought 'the system'. Not really comparable levels of experience.
I didn't think the series had little action. If you see the series as an extended edition of an MCU movie, it has exactly the same amount of action. At least two smaller action scenes at the beginning and end of each chapter, and two big fight scenes, one in the middle and another one right at the end. It's just that the character development scenes are stretched out and take their time. Which I am perfectly fine with. I really liked the series
Bucky felt like a puppy following his master in the later episodes. He had something going on in the first few episodes and then suddenly his story just takes a break to follow sams, and never really links up
@@Rushking20 No, but the action that is there should still be good. It's not the audience fault that Marvel puts in at least one action scene per episode, they didn't have to do that.
I've only watched up to episode 2 before my sub ran out, but this was my feeling after watching that fight on top of the trucks. Movie Bucky would have wiped the floor with those amateurs.
the mcu does that all the time, if you actually look at power levels throughout the mcu, they are rarely consistent, characters get nerfed and buffed all the time depending on the film and its especially a problem now that a few characters are very overpowered. However its a good thing marvel didnt use the comic power levels cause characters like hulk, thor, drax, gamora, spiderman etc would be far stronger than they are in the films.
@@luke5930 I'm fine with fluctuating power levels, the problem is that they often make the nerfed character look completely incompetent against a new foe or compared to a new character. There are ways for our heroes to lose while still maintaining a sense of power and skill but that is difficult to do. So instead we get frustrating scenes like the truck one I mentioned where Bucky looks like a buffoon.
@@Tsukasa2727 that's the issue though with these movies, if Bucky fought someone who was also overpowered, it would make sense for him to lose but for the sake of the show, he had to lose against people he shouldn't lose against but then when you make villains overpowered, normal powered heroes become useless. Its just a big problem with comics in general, the only time it ever really works is when the hero and villain are either both overpowered or are both just normal humans. The MCU will continue to suffer from this, the characters are becoming a lot stronger now and some of them are insanely strong and there aren't really any villains that can beat them but you have to make the hero struggle somehow
It seems another problem is the over-reliance on "Super Soldiers". It meant something that Cap & Winter Soldier were the only ones. Even with their in-common enhanced abilities, they had enough diversity in how they fought that it made the action interesting. When EVERYONE'S (sans Falcon & The Dora Milaje) a super solider, unless you're doing the legwork to diversify in terms of fighting style and tactics everything blends together. Not to mention, also needing the right blocking and camera flow and editing to match as well.
if you remembered steve get like 6 injections of the serum in the capsule thingy but the flag smashers have 1 per person so theres gotta be a difference
We really missed out on some sweet Sam sheild action, but what I feel the most dissapointed about is that we didn't get any Bucky going full winter soldier on everybody's asses (except for the short scene in madripor I guess but that was so choppy and badly edited that I don't want to count it). I actually feel that we didn't get enough Bucky stuff in the show period. Even in his own show he felt like the sidekick.
I knew there was something with the show that wasn't clicking with me 100%. You sir, have put it very eloquently. For me, the were only 3 stand out action scenes in the entire series: Falcon's rescue mission in the first episode, Bucky's nightmare later in that same episode, and the 2 on 1 confrontation at the beginning of episode 5. I really wish episode 6 would've had the same level of quality as those previously mentioned scenes, specially because it was the climax of the show. It goes to show that pacing, editing and framing are just as important as choreography and emotional/story stakes when it comes to action in a series or movie.
Literal previous video, 3:27, "The show was also full of action and was awesome, so idk what to tell you" - Full Fat Videos The next video: "The lacking action of Falcon and the Winter Soldier" Um... Ok...???
I agree with most of the video until he says Falcon should have taken the serum. The whole point was he didn't need the serum to be cap. There also wasn't any serum left.
Sharon fighting the thugs is probably my favorite hand-to-hand combat fight. It makes sense considering that Derek Kolstad (John Wick films) wrote that particular episode.
Ahhh you make the best vids ! I was thinking about this during a few episodes but could not put my finger in it . You nailed it . It should be more consistent on the ass kicking levels . Bucky should have handled everyone by himself if you think about it 🤣
Here is my take on sam not taking the serum. I like the fact that he self-made himself. He was the one who grew stronger by working hard and not giving up. Also, he is used to not having that (lack of a better term) drug. The serum acts like steroids. It was one thing for steve to have it when they were testing it. It is another for others to use it. Also, he saw what it did to bucky? Who wants to have the added brainwashing along with the serum affecting your body. He saw what being a hired asassian did to Bucky and sam did not want to go down that path. Also, what I enjoyed is there can only be one captain America (bear with me here) just like there can only be one tony, one iron man. Sam os creating his own identity while fulfilling the legacy steve wanted for him. Taking the serum will affect that. Last thing, this why John Walker’s story is told. He copied steve down to the letter, but loved he can never be what steve was including taking the serum. I get that everyone is different and the serum acts like jim’s carey’s the mask depending on who takes it, but still, I like that sam’s first instinct was to not go down that route.
Did the villains have any training? Was they super agents? Even if they had superhumans strength and minimal training someone like Walker Bucky or Doramalaji would ve floored them in seconds. But i dont think it was explained. Or may he i missed it
I enjoyed the series, and I did noticed the inconsistencies . It was ambitious to take on this project in a tv series format and all an all they hit a home run. The two hour films are just going to be more polished. That’s why I’m so excited for Cap 4. I hope Batrock comes back!
My least favorite thing is that the serum went from “Good becomes great, bad becomes worse” now it is oh super hero serum, whatever it does not matter what person you are the serum won’t make a difference.
But I mean, didn’t he already have those issues? And we never see Karli doing anything super crazy. What I mean is that nobody has any crazy changes like what happened to Red Skull, Cap, or Buckey.
I noticed the same problem in the madripore bar scene. Bucky was unleashing his inner winter soldier and i was so excited for that scene, but i could hardly see let alone understand how he was fighting and what he was basically doing. Too many cuts scrambled my brain
Exactly, you don’t need 13 different cut to show how he kicked someone into a support beam. That scenes is so unnecessary hard to understand, a few shots mostly following him would have been perfect
I think that there is an answer to why the show slowly declined in quality of action has to go directly to the pandemic, in the BTS the pandemic hit right at the first okay action scene, then they only get worst from there, I feel that they had the first half of the series including the training montage filmed before the pandemic, where they could spend multiple days on it, and then the second half of the series and the truck fight during the pandemic where they didn’t get as many days as they wanted on it
I’m not giving any benefit of the drought due to the pandemic cause they were very obviously able to film them they should have just (1) shot them better and (2) edited it them better. Most of the action scenes (for me at least) felt like they we supposed to bring more shock value than anything else...
Why are so many people disliking the video before it is even out? Are people that insecure that criticism of a show they enjoy is grounds for hatred? You haven’t even heard the man talk yet. There’s plenty to criticise about FATWS, doesn’t mean there is anything wrong about liking it. I might not have been keen on the show, but I loved Wandavision, and there’s plenty to criticise there too. No need to be so childish.
weird how I have the exact opposite take on Lammar and the new cap. The shit writing keeps telling us we should hate Walker and Lammar, but they are likable and genuinely good guys all along until one of them is murdered and the other loses his shit againt a super soldier who 5 seconds ealier threw a 1 ton marble fountain at him
The reason Sam doesn't have the serum, and shouldn't, is his speech at the end of the show. He is in every way not the image of Cpt America; he isn't white, doesn't have blonde hair or blue eyes, and possibly most importantly, doesn't have the super serum. The whole point of him taking up the mantle is the idea that _anyone_ can be Cpt America, and it isn't restricted to what "America" wants it to be. If he had the serum, it would be easy for people to accept him as Cap in spite of his race with the idea of "Well, he's a super soldier. Cap's gotta be a super soldier, and we don't got many other candidates so I _guess_ he can be Cap". Additionally, if Sam had both the tech route in addition to the super soldier route, you'd basically be diminishing him by saying Sam needs tech in addition to the other stuff Steve had to be Cap.
Sincerely hope this Bucky nerf doesn't last any longer past this show. Though I guess now that he's not A) trying viciously to kill anyone or B) defending himself from a wild Iron Man for being Steve plot fodder, I can't realistically hold out on any hope. I'm happy for Bucky's character but damn if I don't want to watch more Winter Soldier-level action.
If they leave him as is, they shouldn't keep "winter soldier" as his name. White Wolf or just Bucky Barnes would do. (I know White Wolf is a well-designed character in the comics, but Marvel has taken liberties before.)
The worst part of the whole show was when the entire city of Madripoor was trying to kill Sam/Bucky, yet they had time to just talk loudly in an alleyway with Sharon while everyone randomly stopped going after them. Killed the immersion, same shit in Wandavision when Woo loudly beats up like 4 armed guards right in front of other guards and they dont even notice, its stupid
I really loved the assassination scene, the Madripoor scene and the warehouse fight and all the ways they used Sam's wings innovatively in the show and would've loved more solid action like that but I absolutely loved the character development moments in the show so I'm not complaining about the lack of action. Love the show anyways
Even though this is TV, there’s no excuse for action as poorly shot and edited as this. Each episode had a budget of $25 million and had 1 or 2 action sequences. John Wick bad a budget of about $20 million for an entire film and it had way more action.
More action isn't neccessarily the answer, I'd be happy if the show had 3 fight scenes in total if they were as good as John Wick's, or the Daredevil Netflix show. Quality over quantity. It's the rare gem like John Wick which has quantity of quality.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I said it had more action to illustrate the point that it did more with less money. FatWS shouldn’t have had more action. The action it did have should’ve been better. And because you brought up Daredevil, that show had an even lower budget than both of those and had better action than FatWS (except for a good chunk of season 2).
@@FullFatVideos Or because in the last video you literally said it was full of action and awesome, and now you're saying it's lacking, with no buffer of videos between the two, so some people find it slightly hypocritical. Just a guess.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the Flag Smashers and John aren't experienced super soldiers. They just have super strength. Steve and Bucky are both heavily trained in comparison. It's not like the military trained John to do combat like SHIELD/Hydra would. In addition to that point, a large amount of untrained super soldiers would still overpower one well-trained one based on brute force.
Between the 5th and 6th episodes I thought I missed an episode and then by the end all I thought was, “that’s it?”. Honestly, this should have just been a movie because it was mainly just uninteresting bloat. I skipped all of Karli’s dumb scenes. So awful.
You are totally right about the first action scene and the fight with Sharon. They definitely felt A grade and a lot more impressive and intense. Also the super soldiers were definitely nerfed and it was very frustrating to watch. If you watched Captain America 2 and then this series you would be either laughing or very confused.
I fully agree, the action wasn't bad by any means, but the slight problem I've had with mcu action is really amplified with some of the action here. It's just to many quick cuts to understand what's going on. It didn't really pull me out of the story in the moment, but now looking back I can see some issues with it.
The cutting is easily the biggest problem with most MCU action sequences. Black Panther vs Bucky in Civil War easily shows how bad editing can kill good choreography.
I feel like this show would’ve been way nicer to watch if it had a better director. It wasn’t a bad show by any means, but the camera directing was so awkward with the frequent extreme closeups and constant cuts
THANK YOU! I couldn't agree more. This is definitely my biggest issue with the show as well (referring to the lacklustre action scenes). I also agree that the episode 1 aerial combat and the Sharon Carter fight are an exception, but otherwise each and every action scene left me with a feeling of "Wait.. that's it??"
I don't really agree with everything in the video. The real biggest issue is that it treats super soldiers as a big deal, when in the context of the wider MCU, they really aren't.
Your criticisms are valid. The super soldiers being lacking is a valid narrative point, you can't just manufacture Steve Rogers. We sympathized with the character, not his power set. He was comparatively underpowered since 2012 but we still loved the character. In the last 10 years we have seen how little a super soldier really can do in comparison to the heroes out there now.
Yeah I hate over-edited fights. The action in this show wasn’t completely bad but you are correct. These shows and movies need to take notes out of some martial arts movies. Where we can clearly see the action from certain angles, and there’s very LITTLE editing. Hopefully the upcoming Shang-Chi will be able to fix that.
I agree with your general thesis, but I think the title of the video is a bit inaccurate. It's not that the show 'lacks' action...it just wasn't up to the cinematography and editing of the movies. "Lack" implies to me that there wasn't enough quantity.
Yeah I did feel a few times after an action scene I was like “wait what happened there?” which isn’t great. I did like the show but as you said it’s the meaning of the action that makes it good but the action on its own is a bit hit or miss.
Walker did nothing wrong. He earned his swagger as a proven decorated soldier. The WANTED TERRORIST he killed "who didn't even do it" (as you so stupidly put it) was an accessory to the murder of an American soldier, fleeing the scene, and had just blew up a building full of civilians in the last episode. Rogers killed a lot of bad guys too. BuT hE sUrReNdErEd, maybe that guy who go sucked out of the airplane in Tunisia would have surrendered too if Falcon didn't go in guns blazing!
A terrorist who abated in the death of 13 people and plotted to kill thousands more. People just mad because he used the shield. Would they been okay if he used a gun? Probably
@@truepotential206 my guy once someone is on the ground and there hands are up they are no longer a threat which means that you can arrest and John did not kill him for any of those things
@@yourboyg3o818 the guy is a supper soilder. Very dangerous. The guy did not indicate any surrender. He threw a rock at John seconds before he was knocked to the ground and tried to get back up twice
I’m debating whether or not to even bother with this video. I’ll stipulate that not every action scene in FaWS was brilliant. But since the six episodes exist, as per usual for Marvel, as a character piece, it feels to me like critiques of the action scenes are basically beside the point.
I agree, the show didn't blow me away (should add wanda vision made me lower my expectations going in) but the opening fight scene and the Sharon Carter fight satisfied me enough in terms of action, I liked the childish dynamic with Sam and Bucky in the first episodes, absolutely loved zemo, everything else was very meh, I don't think the series warrants any video essays much less one focusing on the action.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Did you read what I said? Or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to a few of the words you saw when you skimmed it? I only ask because I specifically state that critiques of the actions scenes are besides the point of the show.
@@josuepena269 Personally, I thought that most of the action serviced the story pretty well, which is what’s most important. My favorite action scene, and one that VERY MUCH serviced the story, was the John/Sam/Bucky fight. It was VERY good, too. But nothing stood out as truly bad, and since everything did what it’s supposed to do, SERVICE the STORY and CHARACTERS, I’m good with it all, and won’t be watching THIS video.
@@jakethet3206 "I specifically state that critiques of the actions scenes are besides the point of the show." And with that you're saying that people shouldn't be criticize the action (in an action superhero show) because it's not what's most important. Well, that is a really dumb argument. If the action sucks, then the action sucks. It doesn't matter if it's not the shows main focus; if the action scenes are bad then it effects the overall quality of the show. You're saying that critiquing the action is basically pointless, but at the same time you're making arguments for why the action was good: "it's serviced the story well" and "nothing stood out as truly bad." You're even stating that a particular action scene was "VERY good" (it's not by way, Bucky being disabled by hitting an electrical cable is really dumb.) Yes, the story IS the most important part and everything else should be in service of it, but if the action is terrible, it does NOT service story well, it is actively doing the story a disservice. Terminator 2 has amazing action scenes, but it's still a character piece. "I’m good with it all, and won’t be watching THIS video." Then why even click on the video then, dumbass. Maybe if you actually watched the video, you wouldn't think that the Sam/Bucky vs. Walker fight is good anymore, because the video proved to you why it's bad. Feel to me like you're afraid of having your opinions on something that you like challenged. Your original comment is very condescending towards the maker of this video, basically telling him that the video that he probably worked really hard on, is pointless and doesn't matter. Well, I've got news for you... it DOES matter. The story was already bad to begin with and the action being lacking just makes it even worse.
Would love to see a discussion/debate between you (who liked this show) and the Critical Drinker (who did not). Especially your takes on John Walker - they’re completely different.
YESSS!!!! I’ve been saying this forever, BUT BUCKY WAS SO FUCKING WEAK IN TFATWS!!!! I WAS SO UPSET ahhhhh. He was so fucking cool going against iron man in civil war and captain America in cap and winter solider. Thank u I feel so validated lol
I completely agree that this show served to make super soldiers much less super. With power creep into the likes of Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch, the idea of a Captain America without the serum seems somewhat futile. How is he meant to compete on a galactic stage when he struggles with a single human goon?
Honestly super soldiers were never as super as people have made them out to be, they are pretty weak compare to an Iron Man armour or even someone like Spider-man. Cap just tended to plot armour his way through characters much stronger than him (not bashing Cap for that, because more often than not it worked from a dramatic standpoint). And that's the biggest problem with the show, it treats recreating the super soldier formula as some golden goose, when in reality they are all pretty low level on the power scale.
@@TeamTowers1 Yeah it’s more of a golden goose to normal humans, a way to get yourself on the tier without sacrificing much in terms of humanity (i.e. all the other radical ways to gain super powers)
I first episode we hear the premise of the show, there super soldiers on the loose, the show has bucky, falcon, us agent and 8 super soldiers, sharon Carter to fill black widow void and Zemo ...imagine the action potential of this series...just with three super soldiers russos made a amazing chase sequence...
the worst thing this show did was how it completely breezed through Bucky's confession to killing his friend's son. A scene which should have shaped Bucky going forward. It's like Bucky himself directed that scene.
Something we’d been waiting for the whole season and they just cut it away.
i dont know
i dont want to be that guy, but it does feel like this show was.."the falcon....plus some winter soldier"
@krxtos it wasn't any good after episode 3
@@emberpowertcg7692 took the words out of my mouth
@krxtos It didn’t happen until the end of the finale????
I noticed the same problem in some episodes : the camera is way too close, so we can't see much of the action..
That's unfortunate when the fights choreography seems great :/
i notice that too also the CAMERA shakes a lot even during sam speech..they forgot to buy a tripod?
I think that was a choice from the DP and Cinematography team to use close-up camera angles to make you feel as uncomfortable and in your face as a visual storytelling tool. Doesn't explain it for all of the episodes/scenes, but I know that visual storytelling was something they were focused on with this series
@@useyourimaginasean but the camera even shakes in normal conversations ,,like when zemo show turkeys candys..or during sam speech...i guess they forgot to buy a tripod
@@FULANODETAL yeah it definitely isn't stable in certain scenes where I would just appreciate more angles, or lock it off on a tripod. Like you said, the shaky cam is in scenes that it is reaching for artistic expression i.e. zemo and the candies/ Sam's speech. When a camera is handheld, the shakiness is supposed to make the viewer feel uneasy/unsettled or like it's a POV in regard to visual storytelling techniques so I kind of see what they were trying to do but it can also ruin the immersion once you pick up on it or if it is distracting
@@useyourimaginasean but then you can barley tell what’s going on or see what’s happening.
I would have HATED to see Sam get the super serum in this show- I really think it would have gone against the message of this series and I am so glad they didn't go that route
And against Sam’s character, he never wanted the serum. Which is why I don’t like the complaint of him not taking it
Exactly. I agreed with everything in the video besides that one thing.
I would have liked that, in future appearances he could’ve taken more hits
Me too.
I wish the show had connected the dots about how EVERYONE has been chasing the Captain America super serum since WWII. Zeno could have used the Hulk to make his point
I feel like a huge problem with Marvel's hand to hand combat is that the editors don't really seem to trust the actors choreography. If you look at the BTS of any movie or show, you'll see that the actors seem more than capable of pulling these stunts but once we go to the editing, its all chopped and shaky almost like they want to add a sense of uneasiness but the truth is that's not really the case. Movies like John Wick and even some DC films have proved that long action takes are not only possible, but far more enjoyable than shaky cam and quick edits.
Yeah the Russos honestly were the only ones that truly got action sequences right. Their captain america films are just exemplary pieces of action
The Raid 1 and 2 have the best action sequences. They had the balance between fantastic actors choreography and proper editing.
I think part of the problem is how harsh people can be when nitpicking movies. Look at the throne room fight from The Last Jedi, which was almost entirely performed by Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver themselves, who put in a TON of work. But because there were a handful of little errors, people proclaimed it the worst thing ever and still harp on it. But if you do the Taken/Bourne shakycam thing, then no one can claim continuity errors because there is basically no continuity. (*taps forehead*)
@@jasonblalock4429 i didn't think about this. But honestly i completely understand it from their point of view but still the praise they get from those scenes as well is the people who will pay them more for that and for longer than the other ones who will nitpick it. Captain America 3 gets it criticism but like the scene of Bucky and steve fighting iron man, I believe is unanimously loved. Not to mention the airport scene which also has it's issues as well
@@jasonblalock4429 harsh... nitpicking... that scene simply doesn't work. You might not see it that way, but I've always enjoyed good, clear action scenes so watching it wasn't really enjoyable for me. I've seen how many times they should have died and didn't and it was annoying. The build up is great, then the action starts and there is just 6 guys doing some fancy dancing . Later, it splits the characters and it actually watchable, because you can do the "oh, that guy did this, but she did that, so this happened". You just cannot do it with the first action scene. Like at all. And the problem is that it was supposed to be the "money shot of the whole scene".
Bucky is the definition of when you fight the character vs when you get the character. In winter soldier, he could match up to Steve. Since then, he seemingly has lost all skill
Honestly Bucky and Steve being able to fight Iron Man was always kind of nonsense.
@@TeamTowers1 how?
@@TeamTowers1 How? XD
@@alexmote6779 iron man is able to lift 60 ton tanks. Cap can barely hold down a 1 ton helicopter.
It makes no sense cap or bucky could fight him
@@alexmote6779 they may be super soldiers but they both still have limits.
Cap struggled to stop a helicopter which only weighs 1 ton.
Bucky got overpowered by Panther who at best can only lift like 2 tons.
And yeah cap does have a vibranium shield so I give him that but there is absolutely no way bucky should of damaged iron man even with his metal arm considering he could not beat cap with it and fit overpowered by tchalla of all people.
As for iron man not lifting a tank yeah your right war machine did that in a mcu comic.
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Iron man should scale to This because they were dead even when they fought in iron man 2 tho which is why I brought that up.
This is before civil war btw as you can tell by the picture.
Anyway iron man should murder bucky or cap hand to hand with neither being able to damage iron man through fist who has tanked missile fire with no issue. Cap can only hurt iron man with his vibranium shield otherwise his punches should do nothing.
It's honestly a crime how severely underused bucky is even in the series with his name literally in it. it's almost like the title was The Falcon and the ᵂᶦⁿᵗᵉʳ ˢᵒˡᵈᶦᵉʳ
My man got shafted hard he became a supporting character when his name is in the title smh
And underpowered, he's so weak compared to what he should be.
"Weiner Soldier"
Because he wasn't black.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 that the point bra he doesn't want to fight he was op b/c he was a brainwashed assassin who killed for years and years he's trying to move past that so why tf would he still be as brutal as the winter soldier and he showed he still is a strong when he had to act like he still was him with zemo and sam in the bar fight he is still powerful he is a super soldier he's not nerfed he's just not trying to fight anymore
I actually think Sharon's fight in the docks was the single best action sequence in the whole series - also the one I remember the *most* because I remember thinking at the time, this is the single best action sequence in the whole series. Well choreographed, well shot, well edited - didn't resort to cheap gimmicks, just well done.
That episode was written by Derek Kolstad (John Wick films). Probably why you felt that way.
so i had no idea that they promised "movie quality" so i expected tv quality and i got pretty good tv quality so I was never that disappointed with the later fight scenes, they didnt look as good as the opening but yeah really rings true to "no expectations = no disappointment"
Amen brother, exactly how i felt 👍🏿
i agree
I mean I still expected movie quality, but I felt the show was really great. I don't have a single negative thing to say about how they made the show
I felt a lil guilty having reservations about the action of the finale, because the series was so great. But good to know I wasnt alone.
Nah
@@anomalous5549 🤣
I just kept thinking of the Winter solider highway fight from CATWS and thought this failed in comparison
@@Henlak- No , it was fitting according to his storytelling in FAWS .
He hated his WS days, that brutality u saw in CAWS was him still under control of hydra so he was not holding back and was just killing machine and not human, whereas in FAWS he was trying to shed his WS persona and be human again .
U really missed the point of FAWS.
Yeah I feel bucky shouldn't struggle as much in fights considering he was once the most infamous assassin in the mcu
@Mr7Reality developing a conscience really fucked him
@Mr7Reality yeah it is kinda like he's just still there
Films don't make better action scenes than shows, compare Captain Marvel to Daredevil. It's just depend on how much time they allocate to each action scene.
Correct but generally, films have a higher budget and can spend more time on choreography and direction. You've just compared two things, that doesn't prove anything when you think about the bigger picture.
they can spend more time on previs, story boards and such with movies.
Daredevil is more like a miniseries which is why its a higher quality.
@@Niop_Tres sure
The ELEPHANT in the rooom ,,Daredevil hallways fights still the best fist fights of the mcu
daredevil was perfection and I’m a bit apprehensive with how the MCU will spotlight Matt and how he fights (nothing has been said about him in the MCU) like I don’t believe they’ll do a good job compared the the masterpiece daredevil was (specifically seasons 1&2). I want him there but I already know it’ll fall a bit flat
Not rlly mcu
Not Mcu
@@213riteshvig2 it literally is
@@BryantheArchivist it’s not canon
The Russos action sequence > Kari Skogland action sequence
I can't help but feel that the russos get way too much credit for their action sequences. Undoubtedly they play a huge part yes. But generally fight scenes are shot by the first AD. Watch the LOTR extended cut director's commentary, jackson is always giving his 1st and 2nd AD's shout outs on great action sequences that they directed. The final duel between aragorn and the archer orc in FOTR was shot by either the 1st or 2nd AD while jackson was shooting something else.
One of the biggest things in an action sequence is how much the audience care about the fighting sides. That's why Civil War's final battle is easily in top 5 fights for me - not because it's well choreographed; because it's heartbreaking
And damn man, the Russos can make you care
the russos action sequences are not even that good. They seem to have good choreography and stunt work but its shot awfully and its edited to shit. Bunch of marvel fanboys are going to pissed by my comment
@@RyanSmith-qr7jg Weird. I had no problems following action in WS, CW, IW and EG.
@@RyanSmith-qr7jg i respect your opinion, but I love the fight sequences in winter soldier they are beautiful, I must say in some scenes in civil war were cut to much like how when black panther took down Bucky there were 5 cuts for a 1 second take down, but most of it was good IMO, Russo brothers do a really good job on them for the most part but some flaws, but still my favorite
I hope he mentiones how in every "fight" scene there was like 20 different camera cuts. Completly unnecessary.
Yeah I couldn’t tell what was happening bc the camera wouldn’t stay still and there are 50 cuts per second
He did it
@@enderdude7902 Haha Yes!
I just want to say I really appreciate how you critique things without malice. You're not saying we should hate this and it sucks. Just giving some valid criticism. Your videos are always a joy to watch, especially your videos on Captain America!
It’s funny how he barely talks about the winter soldier in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier
Bucky is so underused in this series
Buckys scenes were ok not good but just ok I'm pretty sure he's stronger than the rest of the super soldiers but they made him seem weaker
Yeah, now he gets beat by normal people with spears. Shame
@@throwbackthursday680 “normal” people. sure. the dora milaje are NORMAL people guys.
Are they not? What is their power? Buckey has been killing people longer than they have been alive.
The Sharon Carter fight scene is definitely one I remember. I remember rewinding a part to see if a part was all one take (it wasn't), but the quality of the filmmaking did stand out to me.
Yes that fight was brutal, got civil war flashbacks. I don't mind shaky cam.
I was hoping for some action from bucky on the level of the highway fight scene from WS. And I am really disappointed😞
yes the winter soldier is supposedly a living legend super soldier with a vibranium arm who can take down a country in one night with minimal people (explanation from civil war) and . . . . . he is limited to punching and kicking. tbh i was hoping the action are as good as captain america the winter soldier movie or at least as good as the punisher or daredevil but. . sadly that is not the case
Bucky isn’t the winter soldier in this show. He’s not operating by the same rules or the same creed. Besides, this series features “The Falcon” as the first name in the title. Most of the show should have been about Sam’s transition into Captain America. Bucky will most likely get some sort of focus in the coming fourth installment in the Captain America series. It might not be what we expected, but there was a lot weighing against this show- pandemic, rewrites forced by Disney, a later release date. Wait for the next movie, I have a feeling we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.
@@PhippsJonah yes bucky isnt the winter soldier anymore but he still got the memories of every mission he was in and obviously the memory of all of his conditioning and training to become winter soldier, like in madripoor scene when bucky pretending to be winter soldier and zemo pretend to control him, he was shown to be a force that you wont mess with but . . . . . the other fight scene of him just weak just like full fat videos said, i know studio meddle with a project ect but i was hoping the show would adopt good fight scene like in the movie or in daredevil or the punisher, all of the falcon aerial combat scene is good, even sharon fight scen is fantastic, but bucky fight scene just doesnt sell super soldier with metal arm with hand to hand, espionage, infiltration, assasination and etc training.
@@albioncia I agree cause Bucky, to use his training and skill doesn’t need to be winter soldier deadly but what the show did to deduce him to punching, kicking, and using heavy objects to fight fell flat rover and over again. I know, from a character standpoint he might not want to use what he learned when he as force to be the winter soldier, so the only thing I can hope for is that they show him separating how he fights and how he learned to
@@jasmine-tu2hq and in the last episode they use winter soldier scream from cap winter soldier movie maybe to indicate that bucky still can be unpredictable and can be a winter soldier again just feels lame and pathethic
I feel like the show was just laying the character development groundwork for Captain America 4, now they've got the character development sorted they can go full action in the movie. It makes sense as character development takes more time than action sequences and could slow the movie down if they're going for an all out action movie.
Hopefully you’re right
It doesn’t make sense though. Your reassuming doesn’t have anything to actually do with how the action shots were filmed. You could make the actions scenes the same length while having the cinematography of the action scene shot better. It wouldn’t be taking any time away from the character seems to move their development.
yea bra this show isn't suppose to be a action packed block buster they're trying to tell a story not make an action movie
If I'm a director, I would do something similar as the Netflix Daredevil series, filmed in one shot and following the Main Characters as they fight. No need for quick cuts, nor close ups, and SCREW shaky cam.
Russo brothers handled shaky cam really well with action in the winter soldier and civil war. That’s what they trying to replicate
God just get the guys who did the fight choreography for the first season on Daredevil do everything. Fucking fantastic stuff there
There was only 1 long one take in each season of daredevil. And only the one in the 3rd season is a true long one take and its breathtaking.
And since the Russo Brothers are the huge fans of “The Raid”, they should’ve hired the one who design a choreography in the Raid as well.
Have you watched Extraction In Netflix? That over 10min long shot was awesome
The only problem I had with the action is that I wanted Bucky's arm to to have some special features like Klaue's
That'd have been neat
That’s way too much.
For me, the worst aspect of the show by far was Karli. It really rubbed me the wrong way the way she was portrayed as this “fallen angel” with big puppy dog eyes and they still had her steal from the poor to feed the poor. Like, she genuinely believes it’s people’s own fault for dying, that it was ever okay to threaten Sam’s sister and nephews. I think they wanted to have her be like Killmonger but the difference was Black Panther never made excuses for his villainy, they dissected it. I actively rooted for the flag smashers to be stopped in the same way I wanted Aim or Hydra stopped, and I feel no shame whatsoever in referring to her as a terrorist. If the mask fits.....
It didn't help that no one else in the flag smashers was actually a character
i agree that the worst and most lazy aspect of the show was karli, though i have completely different reasons for why. in my opinion, they failed at making karli and the flag smashers actually compelling characters, to the point where i, an anarchist who was very on board with karli's ideas at first and excited to see how they'd deconstruct her ideology, was so sick of her by episode 5 that i was just waiting for her pretty-obviously-going-to-happen death. if i wanted to watch yet another villain with no nuance, whose actions are driven solely by what the plot needs in order for it to be a nicely wrapped up package for the audience, and who is the paragon of the tired cliche, 'has the right idea, but the wrong methods', then i would just pirate any other generic action movie instead of paying for disney plus to watch this otherwise fun show. there's this meme going around that marvel's next villain is going to be a guy called killworker who proclaims that all labourers must unite to rise against their oppressors, which he says as he slits a child's throat. reflecting on the way the mcu treats all of their antagonists who aren't disney villain level evil, i honestly would not be surprised if this actually happened.
Worst villains in the MCU by far.
I honestly really liked that Sam didn't take the serum. Sam is not Steve, and giving him the serum would be like saying "be more like Steve" and that's not the point, Sam doesn't want to be an imitation (that's literally why he didn't like John). He's going to be captain being himself, and him being a regular dude it's part of his charm.
Thank you for putting feelings I had into cohesive thoughts. Your video highlights the inconsistencies I was grappling with.
You're so welcome.
I finally understand why my partner who has ADHD struggled to understand what was going on. Appreciate this
I noticed that you never talked about the Winter Soldier flashback in the hotel.
Agreed, and we've all complained on Bucky's weird power scaling. He went from giving Steve and T'Challa a run for their money, to struggling against teens with SS running in their veins
But those Winter Soldier scenes, both in flashbacks and when Zemo was "controlling" him, were BAD.ASS🦾🦾
the way they power scaled all these serums too
@@AqwDragulum agreed, here's hoping Cap 4 has some of that first episode choreography, or from Cap's last two movies.
14:20 One of the most powerful weapon on Earth, the one that can withstand Mjolnir, was taken down easily by a chair.
yep.
Urm the shield isn't "one of the most powerful weapons on Earth". It's just a very durable object
For what it's worth, the FlagSmashers had the serum for what? A few weeks or months? Bucky's been fighting for multiple decades. Brute strength alone isn't going to match up to someone who has decades of experience.
Exactly. An experienced fighter will usually beat a stronger rookie. Experience counts for a great deal.
Especially since Bucky was cryogenically frozen, so is still in his prime. It's not like he's slowing due to age.
Karli is only what? Early twenties? She got a little experience as a brusier working as an enforcer for the Power Broker, but that doesn't compare to the extensive and brutal training HYDRA put Bucky through, plus his years of experience as an assassin and fighter.
An addendum about Bucky's experience though - he's had the serum for decades, but once he was trained, he was kept cryogenically frozen until he was needed. He was brought out for the really important, this-cannot-fail missions. He doesn't have decades of experience, despite having the serum for decades.
Still should have won though. Karli isn't old enough to legally drink in the US, while Bucky was fighting a pitched battle against aliens a few months ago (from his perspective). Bucky has fought supersoldiers, demigods, aliens and monsters. Karli has fought 'the system'. Not really comparable levels of experience.
I didn't think the series had little action. If you see the series as an extended edition of an MCU movie, it has exactly the same amount of action. At least two smaller action scenes at the beginning and end of each chapter, and two big fight scenes, one in the middle and another one right at the end.
It's just that the character development scenes are stretched out and take their time. Which I am perfectly fine with. I really liked the series
Bucky felt like a puppy following his master in the later episodes. He had something going on in the first few episodes and then suddenly his story just takes a break to follow sams, and never really links up
Yeah, like after fixed a boat, they suddenly become best friends after hating each other for 5 episodes.
I kind of wanted to ignore this discussion of the shows action, but it needs to be had.
How lol we only watching these for action now?
@@Rushking20 for real
First it was that marvel is all action and no substance
@@sidecharacter3193 so iron man had no development sure....
@@thejoker194 I never said that
I said that people made the dumb claim that marvel was action and substance
And now they’re saying the opposite
@@Rushking20 No, but the action that is there should still be good. It's not the audience fault that Marvel puts in at least one action scene per episode, they didn't have to do that.
My brother pointed out that he didn't like that Bucky was quite nerfed in this show compared to the films.
I've only watched up to episode 2 before my sub ran out, but this was my feeling after watching that fight on top of the trucks. Movie Bucky would have wiped the floor with those amateurs.
the mcu does that all the time, if you actually look at power levels throughout the mcu, they are rarely consistent, characters get nerfed and buffed all the time depending on the film and its especially a problem now that a few characters are very overpowered. However its a good thing marvel didnt use the comic power levels cause characters like hulk, thor, drax, gamora, spiderman etc would be far stronger than they are in the films.
@@luke5930 I'm fine with fluctuating power levels, the problem is that they often make the nerfed character look completely incompetent against a new foe or compared to a new character. There are ways for our heroes to lose while still maintaining a sense of power and skill but that is difficult to do. So instead we get frustrating scenes like the truck one I mentioned where Bucky looks like a buffoon.
@@Tsukasa2727 that's the issue though with these movies, if Bucky fought someone who was also overpowered, it would make sense for him to lose but for the sake of the show, he had to lose against people he shouldn't lose against but then when you make villains overpowered, normal powered heroes become useless. Its just a big problem with comics in general, the only time it ever really works is when the hero and villain are either both overpowered or are both just normal humans. The MCU will continue to suffer from this, the characters are becoming a lot stronger now and some of them are insanely strong and there aren't really any villains that can beat them but you have to make the hero struggle somehow
That's why Marvel works and DC doesn't. They give their heroes vulnerability
It seems another problem is the over-reliance on "Super Soldiers". It meant something that Cap & Winter Soldier were the only ones. Even with their in-common enhanced abilities, they had enough diversity in how they fought that it made the action interesting. When EVERYONE'S (sans Falcon & The Dora Milaje) a super solider, unless you're doing the legwork to diversify in terms of fighting style and tactics everything blends together. Not to mention, also needing the right blocking and camera flow and editing to match as well.
if you remembered steve get like 6 injections of the serum in the capsule thingy but the flag smashers have 1 per person so theres gotta be a difference
They really should make bucky strong again (as he should be), and lean more on the jetpacks of falcon to compensate (like the iron man 3 scene).
We really missed out on some sweet Sam sheild action, but what I feel the most dissapointed about is that we didn't get any Bucky going full winter soldier on everybody's asses (except for the short scene in madripor I guess but that was so choppy and badly edited that I don't want to count it). I actually feel that we didn't get enough Bucky stuff in the show period. Even in his own show he felt like the sidekick.
I'm hoping the next season focuses more on him
@@jessicaable5095 what next season
We haven't gotten the poison of quick cuts out of our action movies yet. We need more treatment.
I don't know who decided that shaky camera was a good idea. This is an action show not the Office lmao.
One of the Wandavision episodes took cues from the Office lol.
@@bighand1530 LMAO, forgot about that
Really liked the show but felt myself tuning out during the action. This video did a really good job pointing out why. Great job.
I knew there was something with the show that wasn't clicking with me 100%. You sir, have put it very eloquently. For me, the were only 3 stand out action scenes in the entire series: Falcon's rescue mission in the first episode, Bucky's nightmare later in that same episode, and the 2 on 1 confrontation at the beginning of episode 5. I really wish episode 6 would've had the same level of quality as those previously mentioned scenes, specially because it was the climax of the show. It goes to show that pacing, editing and framing are just as important as choreography and emotional/story stakes when it comes to action in a series or movie.
Literal previous video, 3:27, "The show was also full of action and was awesome, so idk what to tell you"
- Full Fat Videos
The next video:
"The lacking action of Falcon and the Winter Soldier"
Um... Ok...???
maybe the title will lead onto something that makes more sense, let's wait for the video to release before we assume he contradicts himself xD
Opinions can change over time, it’s entirely normal and healthy.
At first he was like: yoo this is fire
then after post nut clarity: no..
I know, right? Hypocrite much.
@@byronharris2900 your opinion on a tv show changed?? Hypocrite!
I agree with most of the video until he says Falcon should have taken the serum. The whole point was he didn't need the serum to be cap. There also wasn't any serum left.
Sharon fighting the thugs is probably my favorite hand-to-hand combat fight. It makes sense considering that Derek Kolstad (John Wick films) wrote that particular episode.
Ahhh you make the best vids ! I was thinking about this during a few episodes but could not put my finger in it . You nailed it . It should be more consistent on the ass kicking levels . Bucky should have handled everyone by himself if you think about it 🤣
Here is my take on sam not taking the serum. I like the fact that he self-made himself. He was the one who grew stronger by working hard and not giving up. Also, he is used to not having that (lack of a better term) drug. The serum acts like steroids. It was one thing for steve to have it when they were testing it. It is another for others to use it. Also, he saw what it did to bucky? Who wants to have the added brainwashing along with the serum affecting your body. He saw what being a hired asassian did to Bucky and sam did not want to go down that path.
Also, what I enjoyed is there can only be one captain America (bear with me here) just like there can only be one tony, one iron man. Sam os creating his own identity while fulfilling the legacy steve wanted for him. Taking the serum will affect that.
Last thing, this why John Walker’s story is told. He copied steve down to the letter, but loved he can never be what steve was including taking the serum.
I get that everyone is different and the serum acts like jim’s carey’s the mask depending on who takes it, but still, I like that sam’s first instinct was to not go down that route.
Did the villains have any training? Was they super agents? Even if they had superhumans strength and minimal training someone like Walker Bucky or Doramalaji would ve floored them in seconds. But i dont think it was explained. Or may he i missed it
I enjoyed the series, and I did noticed the inconsistencies . It was ambitious to take on this project in a tv series format and all an all they hit a home run. The two hour films are just going to be more polished. That’s why I’m so excited for Cap 4. I hope Batrock comes back!
wasn't he shot dead in the finale?
My least favorite thing is that the serum went from “Good becomes great, bad becomes worse” now it is oh super hero serum, whatever it does not matter what person you are the serum won’t make a difference.
Considering what it did to Walker and Karli, the serums effects seem pretty much the same.
did you not see the effects it had on Walker and Karli
Walker took the serum and it fucked him up mentally
But I mean, didn’t he already have those issues? And we never see Karli doing anything super crazy. What I mean is that nobody has any crazy changes like what happened to Red Skull, Cap, or Buckey.
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Karli over the series got more dangerous and lethal with her tactics
I noticed the same problem in the madripore bar scene. Bucky was unleashing his inner winter soldier and i was so excited for that scene, but i could hardly see let alone understand how he was fighting and what he was basically doing. Too many cuts scrambled my brain
Exactly, you don’t need 13 different cut to show how he kicked someone into a support beam. That scenes is so unnecessary hard to understand, a few shots mostly following him would have been perfect
I think that there is an answer to why the show slowly declined in quality of action has to go directly to the pandemic, in the BTS the pandemic hit right at the first okay action scene, then they only get worst from there, I feel that they had the first half of the series including the training montage filmed before the pandemic, where they could spend multiple days on it, and then the second half of the series and the truck fight during the pandemic where they didn’t get as many days as they wanted on it
I’m not giving any benefit of the drought due to the pandemic cause they were very obviously able to film them they should have just (1) shot them better and (2) edited it them better. Most of the action scenes (for me at least) felt like they we supposed to bring more shock value than anything else...
Excellent video. I struggled with Bucky's fluctuating power throughout this series
Thank you Colin!
Why are so many people disliking the video before it is even out? Are people that insecure that criticism of a show they enjoy is grounds for hatred? You haven’t even heard the man talk yet.
There’s plenty to criticise about FATWS, doesn’t mean there is anything wrong about liking it. I might not have been keen on the show, but I loved Wandavision, and there’s plenty to criticise there too. No need to be so childish.
Totally honest: people whining about less than 20 dislikes on a video is about as childish
@@kaicreech7336 and you’re whining about the comment?
@@Mirrorcomics24 and _your_ whining _about_ the whining _of_ the whining--
Oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed
@@kaicreech7336 because your comment was a bit idiotic
I thought I was the only one that thought I couldn't see anything cuz the camera was too close and there were WAYYY too many cuts during the fights
weird how I have the exact opposite take on Lammar and the new cap.
The shit writing keeps telling us we should hate Walker and Lammar, but they are likable and genuinely good guys all along until one of them is murdered and the other loses his shit againt a super soldier who 5 seconds ealier threw a 1 ton marble fountain at him
Totally agree
The reason Sam doesn't have the serum, and shouldn't, is his speech at the end of the show. He is in every way not the image of Cpt America; he isn't white, doesn't have blonde hair or blue eyes, and possibly most importantly, doesn't have the super serum. The whole point of him taking up the mantle is the idea that _anyone_ can be Cpt America, and it isn't restricted to what "America" wants it to be. If he had the serum, it would be easy for people to accept him as Cap in spite of his race with the idea of "Well, he's a super soldier. Cap's gotta be a super soldier, and we don't got many other candidates so I _guess_ he can be Cap".
Additionally, if Sam had both the tech route in addition to the super soldier route, you'd basically be diminishing him by saying Sam needs tech in addition to the other stuff Steve had to be Cap.
Sincerely hope this Bucky nerf doesn't last any longer past this show. Though I guess now that he's not A) trying viciously to kill anyone or B) defending himself from a wild Iron Man for being Steve plot fodder, I can't realistically hold out on any hope. I'm happy for Bucky's character but damn if I don't want to watch more Winter Soldier-level action.
Yes. And don’t just let him stand over there with a long distance rifle. We want hand to hand!
If they leave him as is, they shouldn't keep "winter soldier" as his name. White Wolf or just Bucky Barnes would do.
(I know White Wolf is a well-designed character in the comics, but Marvel has taken liberties before.)
Agreed!!
they chose the wrong time to make the strength of the soldier serum comic accurate
he's been in the mcu for 10 years, how long exactly do you expect it will take to see anything better? this is the most you'll get.
The worst part of the whole show was when the entire city of Madripoor was trying to kill Sam/Bucky, yet they had time to just talk loudly in an alleyway with Sharon while everyone randomly stopped going after them. Killed the immersion, same shit in Wandavision when Woo loudly beats up like 4 armed guards right in front of other guards and they dont even notice, its stupid
I really loved the assassination scene, the Madripoor scene and the warehouse fight and all the ways they used Sam's wings innovatively in the show and would've loved more solid action like that but I absolutely loved the character development moments in the show so I'm not complaining about the lack of action. Love the show anyways
Using GSP’s “I’m not impressed with your performance” clip my good sir? UA-cam content of the highest quality *chefs kiss*
Even though this is TV, there’s no excuse for action as poorly shot and edited as this. Each episode had a budget of $25 million and had 1 or 2 action sequences. John Wick bad a budget of about $20 million for an entire film and it had way more action.
More action isn't neccessarily the answer, I'd be happy if the show had 3 fight scenes in total if they were as good as John Wick's, or the Daredevil Netflix show.
Quality over quantity. It's the rare gem like John Wick which has quantity of quality.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I said it had more action to illustrate the point that it did more with less money. FatWS shouldn’t have had more action. The action it did have should’ve been better. And because you brought up Daredevil, that show had an even lower budget than both of those and had better action than FatWS (except for a good chunk of season 2).
0:01 to be fair there was gonna be a sequel to Logan that focused on Laura but Disney canceled it when they bought Fox.
The excellent edit at the end really drove your point home. Amazing video.
Thank you!
Why dislike something before watching it?
because criticism is a shitty subject apparently?
@@FullFatVideos Or because in the last video you literally said it was full of action and awesome, and now you're saying it's lacking, with no buffer of videos between the two, so some people find it slightly hypocritical. Just a guess.
@@GothAtheist or just wait an hour, hear out what they have to say then make your decision?
@@GothAtheist or maybe because you’re judging a book by it’s cover?
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but the Flag Smashers and John aren't experienced super soldiers. They just have super strength. Steve and Bucky are both heavily trained in comparison. It's not like the military trained John to do combat like SHIELD/Hydra would. In addition to that point, a large amount of untrained super soldiers would still overpower one well-trained one based on brute force.
i dont know honestly, but
i dont want to be that guy, but it does feel like this show was.."the falcon....plus some winter soldier"
In the same way that wandavison was really just about wanda. With some vision.
So excited for this
That 5th episode fight in terms of hits, stakes and choreography is a masterpiece, I'm annoyed by the camera that undercuts this.
the shaky cam in every single shot makes me want to claw my own eyes out with gardening shears
Between the 5th and 6th episodes I thought I missed an episode and then by the end all I thought was, “that’s it?”. Honestly, this should have just been a movie because it was mainly just uninteresting bloat. I skipped all of Karli’s dumb scenes. So awful.
Including the great GSPs literal only attempt at a call out is the best thing you've ever done!
Hahaah this comment made it worth it!
How much of the old marvel tv shows have you seen? Just wondering
You are totally right about the first action scene and the fight with Sharon. They definitely felt A grade and a lot more impressive and intense. Also the super soldiers were definitely nerfed and it was very frustrating to watch. If you watched Captain America 2 and then this series you would be either laughing or very confused.
I feel like this show should be the final nail in the coffin for shaky cam in action sequences
The shield should have like broken both Batrok’s firearms right?
I fully agree, the action wasn't bad by any means, but the slight problem I've had with mcu action is really amplified with some of the action here. It's just to many quick cuts to understand what's going on. It didn't really pull me out of the story in the moment, but now looking back I can see some issues with it.
The cutting is easily the biggest problem with most MCU action sequences. Black Panther vs Bucky in Civil War easily shows how bad editing can kill good choreography.
I feel like this show would’ve been way nicer to watch if it had a better director. It wasn’t a bad show by any means, but the camera directing was so awkward with the frequent extreme closeups and constant cuts
THANK YOU! I couldn't agree more. This is definitely my biggest issue with the show as well (referring to the lacklustre action scenes). I also agree that the episode 1 aerial combat and the Sharon Carter fight are an exception, but otherwise each and every action scene left me with a feeling of "Wait.. that's it??"
I don't really agree with everything in the video. The real biggest issue is that it treats super soldiers as a big deal, when in the context of the wider MCU, they really aren't.
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Your criticisms are valid. The super soldiers being lacking is a valid narrative point, you can't just manufacture Steve Rogers. We sympathized with the character, not his power set. He was comparatively underpowered since 2012 but we still loved the character. In the last 10 years we have seen how little a super soldier really can do in comparison to the heroes out there now.
Yeah I hate over-edited fights. The action in this show wasn’t completely bad but you are correct. These shows and movies need to take notes out of some martial arts movies. Where we can clearly see the action from certain angles, and there’s very LITTLE editing. Hopefully the upcoming Shang-Chi will be able to fix that.
I agree with your general thesis, but I think the title of the video is a bit inaccurate. It's not that the show 'lacks' action...it just wasn't up to the cinematography and editing of the movies. "Lack" implies to me that there wasn't enough quantity.
They really nerfed Bucky for the good of the show huh. Winter Soldier was a fucking beast
Yeah I did feel a few times after an action scene I was like “wait what happened there?” which isn’t great. I did like the show but as you said it’s the meaning of the action that makes it good but the action on its own is a bit hit or miss.
Walker did nothing wrong. He earned his swagger as a proven decorated soldier. The WANTED TERRORIST he killed "who didn't even do it" (as you so stupidly put it) was an accessory to the murder of an American soldier, fleeing the scene, and had just blew up a building full of civilians in the last episode. Rogers killed a lot of bad guys too. BuT hE sUrReNdErEd, maybe that guy who go sucked out of the airplane in Tunisia would have surrendered too if Falcon didn't go in guns blazing!
I'm liking this already
11:40 But Bucky taking on Iron Man was kind of BS.
I’m so glad you pointed out that the super humans didn’t seem so super at all in strength or ability. Was very lacking
Shooting angle changes instantly every bloody frame
Walker killed a guy who was literally plotting to kill him.
A terrorist who abated in the death of 13 people and plotted to kill thousands more. People just mad because he used the shield. Would they been okay if he used a gun? Probably
@@truepotential206 my guy once someone is on the ground and there hands are up they are no longer a threat which means that you can arrest and John did not kill him for any of those things
@@yourboyg3o818 his hands were not in the air trying to surrender. They were flailing at John trying to block his shield
@@tinfoilhatmaniac6924 you know damn well that’s not true
@@yourboyg3o818 the guy is a supper soilder. Very dangerous. The guy did not indicate any surrender. He threw a rock at John seconds before he was knocked to the ground and tried to get back up twice
you didn't play the audio, but I heard Isaiah say "they put my ass in jail" in my head, clear as a bell
Usually if you set the comments to the newest first,you’ll get the salt that you want
I’m debating whether or not to even bother with this video. I’ll stipulate that not every action scene in FaWS was brilliant. But since the six episodes exist, as per usual for Marvel, as a character piece, it feels to me like critiques of the action scenes are basically beside the point.
I agree, the show didn't blow me away (should add wanda vision made me lower my expectations going in) but the opening fight scene and the Sharon Carter fight satisfied me enough in terms of action, I liked the childish dynamic with Sam and Bucky in the first episodes, absolutely loved zemo, everything else was very meh, I don't think the series warrants any video essays much less one focusing on the action.
But this video is specifically ABOUT the action scenes
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Did you read what I said? Or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to a few of the words you saw when you skimmed it? I only ask because I specifically state that critiques of the actions scenes are besides the point of the show.
@@josuepena269 Personally, I thought that most of the action serviced the story pretty well, which is what’s most important. My favorite action scene, and one that VERY MUCH serviced the story, was the John/Sam/Bucky fight. It was VERY good, too. But nothing stood out as truly bad, and since everything did what it’s supposed to do, SERVICE the STORY and CHARACTERS, I’m good with it all, and won’t be watching THIS video.
@@jakethet3206 "I specifically state that critiques of the actions scenes are besides the point of the show." And with that you're saying that people shouldn't be criticize the action (in an action superhero show) because it's not what's most important. Well, that is a really dumb argument. If the action sucks, then the action sucks. It doesn't matter if it's not the shows main focus; if the action scenes are bad then it effects the overall quality of the show.
You're saying that critiquing the action is basically pointless, but at the same time you're making arguments for why the action was good: "it's serviced the story well" and "nothing stood out as truly bad." You're even stating that a particular action scene was "VERY good" (it's not by way, Bucky being disabled by hitting an electrical cable is really dumb.)
Yes, the story IS the most important part and everything else should be in service of it, but if the action is terrible, it does NOT service story well, it is actively doing the story a disservice. Terminator 2 has amazing action scenes, but it's still a character piece.
"I’m good with it all, and won’t be watching THIS video." Then why even click on the video then, dumbass. Maybe if you actually watched the video, you wouldn't think that the Sam/Bucky vs. Walker fight is good anymore, because the video proved to you why it's bad. Feel to me like you're afraid of having your opinions on something that you like challenged. Your original comment is very condescending towards the maker of this video, basically telling him that the video that he probably worked really hard on, is pointless and doesn't matter. Well, I've got news for you... it DOES matter. The story was already bad to begin with and the action being lacking just makes it even worse.
Yeah, I totally felt Bucky was... very nerfed.
Would love to see a discussion/debate between you (who liked this show) and the Critical Drinker (who did not). Especially your takes on John Walker - they’re completely different.
To sooo strange considering they literally had the best MMA fighter of all time in gsp on set, the fights should have been so much better
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YESSS!!!! I’ve been saying this forever, BUT BUCKY WAS SO FUCKING WEAK IN TFATWS!!!! I WAS SO UPSET ahhhhh. He was so fucking cool going against iron man in civil war and captain America in cap and winter solider. Thank u I feel so validated lol
You know what would be funny? If the crew had deliberately lesser action scenes whenever Walker is fighting.
I completely agree that this show served to make super soldiers much less super. With power creep into the likes of Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch, the idea of a Captain America without the serum seems somewhat futile. How is he meant to compete on a galactic stage when he struggles with a single human goon?
Honestly super soldiers were never as super as people have made them out to be, they are pretty weak compare to an Iron Man armour or even someone like Spider-man. Cap just tended to plot armour his way through characters much stronger than him (not bashing Cap for that, because more often than not it worked from a dramatic standpoint).
And that's the biggest problem with the show, it treats recreating the super soldier formula as some golden goose, when in reality they are all pretty low level on the power scale.
@@TeamTowers1 Yeah it’s more of a golden goose to normal humans, a way to get yourself on the tier without sacrificing much in terms of humanity (i.e. all the other radical ways to gain super powers)
I first episode we hear the premise of the show, there super soldiers on the loose, the show has bucky, falcon, us agent and 8 super soldiers, sharon Carter to fill black widow void and Zemo ...imagine the action potential of this series...just with three super soldiers russos made a amazing chase sequence...