you saying that makes it all worth while!! The one were launching today is w/ Doug Messenger who was the producer that called Templeman down to the Starwood that night in 77' to hear VH
This is the reason the internet was invented. Sharing information that we need to know. This whole VH Sunset Studios stuff is pure gold, thanks so much for sharing
Finally someone to discuss Alex. Edward was amazing but it was his brother that helped in that process. Everybody talks about John Bonham but I think people forgot about Alex Van Halen!!!
11:34 - EVH borrowed Chris Holmes’ Ibanez Destroyer for the recording of 1980 W&CF. For VH1 Ed had his own Destroyer, which he had painted white (or silver?) and hacked before the promo videos were filmed and the tour began. 14:51 - Quadrant 4 from Billy Cobham’s 1973 album Spectrum. 16:44 - In his biography Ted Templeman recounts (p. 321) that the band wanted to make a mini movie and needed a soundtrack for it. They hoped it would buy them some time-off from making another album. They recorded Pretty Woman as the single, Happy Trails as the b-side, and Intruder to fill the spare time in the movie. After it became a hit, they had to make an album (Diver Down) to capitalize on the momentum of the single ... and got no hiatus.
I always thought it was interesting that he said that the mods to the destroyer wrecked the tone seeing as he still played it quite a bit live and apparently used it on vhii for "out of love" and "light up the sky"
Their manager's book also talked about Diver Down. Said Warner Bros considered Fair Warning a bit of a failure because it had no hit single. Pretty Woman was released by Warner Bros within a week of it being recorded. Then pressured them to put together enough music to release an album. The manager speculated that if they had been able to take some time off after the Fair Warning tour that the band probably wouldn't have broken up as soon as they did.
It was painted white during the sessions. Afterward he sawed out the bottom of the guitar to the “Shark” shape and painted it with the red and silver-grey/white color. But there are many close up color photos of the guitar between ‘75-‘77 in pure white. It was originally in the stock Ibanez amber epoxy finish before that.
@@matthias5163 He definitely used it for “Outta Love Again” and it possibly may have been used for the main track of “Women In Love” and possibly “Bottoms Up”, but “Light Up The Sky” has lots of standard Fender tremolo work...it was definitely the black and white iteration of the Frankenstein for that one.
There’s an interview with Chris Holmes that just came out within the last 3 weeks or so. He explains that he was laid up in the hospital with a broken leg when Eddie asked to borrow his guitar. Chris said “Sure, just go to my house and tell my mom I said it was okay for you to pick it up.” What a trip! Chris, Eddie and Al were all living at home with their folks at the time. And DLR was living with his dad!
Does Brian or any of you guys know if Ed used the Schaffer Wireless in the studio? seen pics but would love to know if he did. Great round table discussion. Enjoyed it immensely
@@ryanmcinnis8190 I get a little boost when I use my Samson wireless. It's one bonus that I can hear cause I don't use very often. I would imagine they would cable any electric guitar in a recording session.
@@mattkaustickomments I consider this minutia it was me I'd go out and buy one what ever it starting to sound like BLACK MAGIC on this damn guitar tone. It didn't have vibrato to boot. Hold on did they say this was the exact one used on the ALBUM COVER photo. I was confused was it a destroyer or an explorer?
EVH wasn't just breaking new ground, he reinvented the guitar, rock music, and the whole world of guitar manufacturing and amplifiers with it. His singular effect on all of it, world wide, can never be fully appreciated or overestimated. Think about it, he changed everything.
This is like the first time I ever subscribed to a channel on purpose. It is rare indeed for me even to comment. THEESE guys bring a lot to the table about THOSE guys. Hats off to the Round Table format and overall presentation including the Q&A. To me as a humble 61 year old musician, the authenticity of your statements/opinions weigh in with me and the truth is all I seek. PS thank you for taking the time to share this information and I encourage you all to share more of your insights on Van Halen or any other. Thank You All
Brian is THE MAN. Not just good info, great insight. Great video. Please do more of these with other bands, producers, runners, dealers, drummer wives etc.
Fair Warning is my favorite album. Hard to have favorites but that album is such an excellent sledge hammer of Van Halen!!! Thank you SO MUCH for doing this series!!! So incredible!!!
Brian Kehew is clearly wicked smart and very articulate. I'm soaking up every word here & loving it. The sole reason I picked up a guitar and started playing was because of Eddie. Still listen to all those VH albums and never get tired of or bored with that music. Inspiring!
Ed's live Eruption solo didn't even have tapping until 1977 before that it was just string noises and Echoplex repeats. I think Ed took the descending tapping theme from Ace Frehley's live Shock Me unaccompanied solo
... a walk down memory lane. This is great, along with parts 1 & 2. So much info that could’ve gone missing! We need more of these “get togethers” where everyone can weigh in on the ins and outs of our favorite groups and personalities... I’ve watched these twice! Good stuff! Thanks for all the memories and hard work!
As a VanHalen fan of 30 years and guitar player I think these shows are incredible. Thanks to Sunset Studios for this. Also I love the Realistic shirt.. that's Radio Shack brand from back in the 80s!
Thank you so much to Sunset Sound and Brian Kehew for putting this Round Table format and overall presentation including the Q&A together, very informative, very much appreciated indeed! For myself a humble hobbyist drummer/musician, the sheer volume of knowledge contained within these three segments was simply outstanding! Statements made, sometimes for the very first time, your opinions counterbalance all of the rumors that have been floating around for decades. You've brought forth the truth about the first Lp and demo sessions we have all been thirsting for for so many years. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart, so very much appreciated indeed! One suggestion if I might, if you follow up on this maybe could you expand upon and or share more insight into the recording of Alex's drums?
What a nice and relax and accurate chat. I love when history gets complete by making the people reunite for the first time (why this didn t happen before?)
Everything in this series has been top-notch. Seen quite a variety of people and topics covered and they're all my favorite. Finding a great podcast is like finding a great band. Thanks for posting.
These videos are just so awesome. I really hope we'll get more VH material in the coming years. Seems like there's much more than even the 5150 wall of tapes.
This BRIAN guy has dropped information Ive waited for. Man oh man ❤️ and yes those 2 Montrose albums are the best!!!! I think they are as cool as any VH
I’ve watched this so many times and love every moment. Please get more people to chat about VH and EVH. Doug M. was Also a great guest and Peggy M. was pretty good but Brian is the best and so knowledgeable
Well thanks a lot guys you ruined my whole day since I had so much to do around the house .Instead I am riveted to my computer watching all of these videos from Sunset Sound.. I've been in there btw when I used to work for Jamo
Absolutely agree about out of love again with Alex's drum track is amazing there's Parts in it where he's actually following Eddie's guitar riffs on the leads Alex is definitely a great drummer
The brief discussion of Fair Warning was cool. Overshadowed by a couple of other classic tracks, I think "Hear About It Later" is seriously overlooked - songwriting, arrangement, performance, recording, mix, and Ed just being Ed. It's an amazing listen on every level ... maybe their best. Sunset Sound should be tremendously proud to have made these recorded moments possible.
A great big thank you sunset and Brian & company, this is music to my ears, love to hear this kind of info, you're the man, 💯🤘 much love from the East coast
"Feelin' Groovy" by the Harpers Bizarre was on the air at Boss Radio KHJ-Los Ángeles on February 10, 1967. It was on the KHJ Boss 30 survey "Hitbound" for the survey February 15, 1967. There is an aircheck were Boss Radio Jock, Humble Harve plays it on his show! So Ted Templeman had to have been in early 1967 or as late 1966 at Sunset Sound!
Don Landee must have purposely avoided media of any kind his entire career. To this day you Google him and you get the same two pictures, the one with him and Eddie and a group photo with Steve Rosen, Eddie, and Les Paul. I’ve never found any video footage of him being interviewed and there is very little print interviews to find. The guy is a total fucking enigma.
@@mikea4015 It's a shame. This music is historic and we need everyone involved to get on record about how it was down before they all die. One tragedy (beside Ed's death) is that no one got Edward to discuss the dual JBL/Celestian speaker set up before he died. No one got Ed to play all of this classic riffs on camera so we could see how he did it. Even 40 years later much of it is a mystery, though many guitarists have figured much of it out. But, having had Ed show us would have been gold.
This is so awesome!!!... I watched part 1 yesterday and now I'm watching this video. I'm hanging onto every word that's being said. So memorizing! ... Thank you to all that made this possible! 👏👍👏👍
Have a few notes from Donn Landee about the UA/Bushnell 5150 console. The console was sold several years ago and is in Canada. UA2100 and UA2100SC strips of course. All compressor pulled out and pan pots added.
Wasn’t it parceled out by Brent Averill a few years ago? There was a “Van Halen” console that he turned into sets of rackmount pre-amps. Example here: preampchannelstrip.net/rare_vintage_universal_audio_brent_averill_1108_dual_channel_mic_pres.htm
Those are 1108’s of course, the 5150 desk had a few when Donn could get them. I have an email from Donn where he explains a few things that were changed as it was modded. I do have a picture of the console when it was pulled out of a warehouse and the studio it went to. I was trying my best to purchase it...but was too late. It was posted on eBay and Gearslutz too. But I don’t doubt a few 1108’s ended up at Brents. Richard Kaplan (Indigo Ranch) told me he purchased the 1 of 2 UA desks from United Western..Eddie ended up with the other for his 5150 studio.
@@deandydek433 Here is an old GearSlutz thread where Avedis Kifedjian explains what he did. Reportedly Brent Averill got all the modules from the 5150 consoles, and Avedis racked them up for retail. I recall the frame going for sale completely unloaded (~10 year ago?). www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/68725-bret-averill-universal-audio-urei-1108-a.html Both boards would arguably be of equal VH importance as just about everything from the Roth era was done on one and/or the other.
@@ThemFuzzyMonsters Here is another thread about the 5150 console, "EvilW" in the thread was the person I was talking to about purchasing it. www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/546752-5150-studios.html#post6623792 Going back my emails with EW, he shared a conversation between Dave Gordon and Donn Landee, you're right as Brent did rack the 1108's from that desk. But EW states it wasnt parted out. This was back on 4/2008. Interesting...I may post their exchange.. Let me gather it all.
It is also really cool that back in the day, everything was done on one console with limited outboard gear. It keeps you more focused on the music and the writing over the gear.
So much cool Eddie info and insights here. As far as the Floyd Trem springs goes, I’ve seen photos where when he started using the fat brass block where the springs attach, he used 2 springs in a V with the claw screwed in tight to the body. He was constantly experimenting.
My friends and I at the time LOVED Fair Warning…we lived it as part of the soundtrack to our lives….and to me, I’ve always thought it was one of their best albums, musically.
Hey guys, So here's my unwanted opinion.... - I frickin LOVE all of these posts, BEYOND EXCELLENT WORK. - You could have gotten "Nerdier" for MY personal taste. I've been a Van Halen/ Alex Van Halen fan since 1979.(By "Nerdier" I mean I wish that you would have spoken about what were Alex's EXACT drum kit set ups for EACH individual.albums.) - it's been stated that Eddie always plays bass guitar on at least one track of every album and for YEARS I've ALWAYS believed that that's him on bass guitar on "Dirty Movie's" from Fair Warning. From beginning to end it has ALL the tellings of Eddie and NOT my FOREVER #1 Rock bass player of all time Mr. Michael Anthony. - Also, I really would have appreciated MORE in depth discussion on the phenomenal three-part harmony backup vocals. Like how DLR would sometimes overdub a backup vocal part to make the back up vocals "richer" And did Alex ever contribute his vocals to ANY tracks on ANY albums? - I appreciate you guys so much with these posts. They REALLY helped me so much during my grieving process. Sometimes I still can't believe that he's gone. Thanks again, God bless ALL of you guys ALWAYS!!!
That ripley guitar Brian mentions is what Ed used on the recording of Top Jimmy. Listen close & you'll hear that some strings are panned left and some are panned right. It's a very subtle but cool sound. Every pole in the pickups of that guitar are wired individually through pan pots that send the signal to one of two output jacks (or varying amounts of both).
Most likely influenced by quadrant 4 billy cobham or space boogie Jeff beck, but that Trevor rabin track sounds like it too. Thx, never heard before. Great stuff
The Trevor Rabin track is most obvious... that little drum break (very HFT), the rhythm...not so much Quadrant 4. If Edward discovered Holdsworth he may have easily heard the Rabin album.
Edwards ability to piece together a usable guitar on first attempt is mind blowing. To the average person this would be against all odds. If his biggest challenge at the end of the day was the need to wd40 the nut periodically on his pre-Floyd Rose system, Eddie absolutely far exceeded all expectations. Great stuff, Thanks 🎸
I left Rochester N.Y. on Dec, 31,1966 got on a plane to L.A. Arrive at LAX Jan. 1, 1967. Stayed at the Hollywood Sunset Hotel ,and the Colonial West both on Sunset . A different world in those those days . The others staying there Peter Asher, P.F. Sloan, Little Richard , Harper’s Bizarre and others I can’t recall. I got to know a couple of guys in HB quite well Ted Templeman being one. -I was a staff writer,and session player - Everyone would cross paths in the elevator ,lounge or restaurant everyday. In April or May 1967 I think it was Asher Benjamin - a great writer - said he saw McCartney in a limo down on Santa Monica Blvd. a few days later the Harper’s manager invited Benjamin ,and me up to his room to hear something with the other guys in HB, we didn’t have a clue. We go up smoked a joint ,and he pulls out a 1/4 in tape ,and threads it. It was “ A Day In the Life “ . Needless to say it blew everyone away. Ted was a nice guy that looked more like a guy going to prep school than a guy i a light rock band. “ Feelin Groovy “ was a hit at the time . Fast forward to July 1967 . I was in Rochester doing an interview at a radio station WBBF - had a regional hit in summer of 65 - as I’m leaving the elevator door opens ,and the Harper’s get off. None of us could believe it. We talked for a few minutes,and I went with them for an interview they were doing. Ted was a good shit - upstate lingo for a good guy - . I was blown away years later when I heard his name as a producer , I can’t recall which album it was, maybe Van Halen. I do remember it was a total disconnect for me. Ted was the singer in HB ,and would be the last person I would have thought would still be in the music biz. Not only still in but a monumental influence as a producer. Success couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
11:34 - I could swear that when I was reading YEARS ago about how Ed would tear apart and rebuild or modify guitars, he had borrowed a guitar from Chris Holmes, and cut a chunk out of it to make it look cooler, which ended up changing the sound of the guitar for the worse, so he had to buy Chris a new guitar. At 24:56, in regard to the Gene Simmons-produced demo, "No one has the original tape..." And 26:59, "Maybe Gene Simmons has his tapes..." Actually, it's probably at 5150. EDWARD has the tapes. Everyone knows the story about the brothers backing Gene on three songs he demoed for KISS (two were on "Love Gun," and one ended up on his 1978 solo album). Gene wanted to put those on the 2001 KISS box set, but couldn't get the approval from Ed and Al. Forward to Gene's "Vault" box set of demos dating back to the 1960s which he put out a few years ago. The demos with the brothers are on there, and to get permission from them to include them, he agreed to give them the master tapes from the demos he produced for them. So, there you go. Who has the Gene Simmons tapes? They're at Ed's place. And as for demos pre-dating even those, I know they were recording demos as far back as 1973. Roth played some on his show before. You can find stuff like "Glitter," "Angel Eyes," and "Gentlemen of Leisure" on UA-cam. Those might have even been recorded with Mark Stone on bass.
I think Fair Warning is underrated. There is so much innovation on songs other than Mean Street. Push Comes to shove and One foot out the door, are so clean. I don’t hear any over dubs, just mic’d instruments and an ambient mic.
Evh said in a 1982 interview that’s on UA-cam that it was Dave’s idea to put out pretty woman just as a new fun single to start the year. It became a hit single and Warner brothers told the band they need a album to go along with it
I saw Billy or I should say Tales play at the Worlly Drive-in ,way way back be for Billy Shean broke out wow my ears are still ring after all this time.....
I hoping somewhere out there is a properly recorded version of “I wanna be your lover”. I don’t know if that was ever done at SSR, but if it ever was it would be amazing to hear. I’d buy it!
Outta Love Again is my #2 all time fave VH tune(after On Fire). I believe that Alex played part of Outta Love Again in his solo n the latter part of the 93 tour.
Love your show! If you bring Donn Landee on that would be like Christmas. If you get him together with Ted Templeman that would be Christmas and New Year's Eve at the same time! 🥂🤘💥
The stereo reverb explanation from Brian is a major revelation to me and most who, as Brian said, always thought the reverb was panned to one side and the guitar was panned to the other...Not so!
AVH snare drum sound has been discussed many times. First 3 records he used Ludwig Supraphonic 6.5x14 standard issue. First record was most likely a taped up black dot batter head. Second record was most likely ambassador head lightly taped, that's why he got that nice crack. Third record back to probably a more taped up ambassador. I agree that VH II has absolutely the best snare and overall drum sound of any VH record of any era. From FW through 5150 AVH used a Tama Rosewood 6.5x14 snare with what sounds like a tightly wound black dot with minimal taping. It sounds like from OU812 forward it was back to a Ludwig snare. The only tour I saw VH on was F.U.C.K. and Alex used I think a 10x14 Ludwig marching snare that he had to modify a conventional snare stand for. Black dot on that drum and it was like a cannon up in the nose bleed section !
Comments at 9:37 are so true. With what's been gained with ProTools, DAWs, etc., the homogeneity's been lost. Great to have the luxury of endless plugins of pres and verbs on hand for each channel, but does it serve the whole track sonically?
What you guys are doing is so historically important, every word is fascinating!
you saying that makes it all worth while!! The one were launching today is w/ Doug Messenger who was the producer that called Templeman down to the Starwood that night in 77' to hear VH
Agreed 👍🏼
Agreed. I could watch this forever and never get bored.
This is the reason the internet was invented. Sharing information that we need to know.
This whole VH Sunset Studios stuff is pure gold, thanks so much for sharing
Thanks for watching. Appreciate the support.
Finally someone to discuss Alex. Edward was amazing but it was his brother that helped in that process. Everybody talks about John Bonham but I think people forgot about Alex Van Halen!!!
Alex has always been my favorite. Best snaresound I love love love IT...And MADE IN HOLLAND..
Chris Holmes is in Nice, France. Married, sober and rocking. He's a legend in his own right too and a true survivor.
11:34 - EVH borrowed Chris Holmes’ Ibanez Destroyer for the recording of 1980 W&CF.
For VH1 Ed had his own Destroyer, which he had painted white (or silver?) and hacked before the promo videos were filmed and the tour began.
14:51 - Quadrant 4 from Billy Cobham’s 1973 album Spectrum.
16:44 - In his biography Ted Templeman recounts (p. 321) that the band wanted to make a mini movie and needed a soundtrack for it. They hoped it would buy them some time-off from making another album. They recorded Pretty Woman as the single, Happy Trails as the b-side, and Intruder to fill the spare time in the movie. After it became a hit, they had to make an album (Diver Down) to capitalize on the momentum of the single ... and got no hiatus.
Dude you know your shit
I always thought it was interesting that he said that the mods to the destroyer wrecked the tone seeing as he still played it quite a bit live and apparently used it on vhii for "out of love" and "light up the sky"
Their manager's book also talked about Diver Down. Said Warner Bros considered Fair Warning a bit of a failure because it had no hit single. Pretty Woman was released by Warner Bros within a week of it being recorded. Then pressured them to put together enough music to release an album. The manager speculated that if they had been able to take some time off after the Fair Warning tour that the band probably wouldn't have broken up as soon as they did.
It was painted white during the sessions. Afterward he sawed out the bottom of the guitar to the “Shark” shape and painted it with the red and silver-grey/white color. But there are many close up color photos of the guitar between ‘75-‘77 in pure white. It was originally in the stock Ibanez amber epoxy finish before that.
@@matthias5163 He definitely used it for “Outta Love Again” and it possibly may have been used for the main track of “Women In Love” and possibly “Bottoms Up”, but “Light Up The Sky” has lots of standard Fender tremolo work...it was definitely the black and white iteration of the Frankenstein for that one.
There’s an interview with Chris Holmes that just came out within the last 3 weeks or so. He explains that he was laid up in the hospital with a broken leg when Eddie asked to borrow his guitar. Chris said “Sure, just go to my house and tell my mom I said it was okay for you to pick it up.” What a trip! Chris, Eddie and Al were all living at home with their folks at the time. And DLR was living with his dad!
Does Brian or any of you guys know if Ed used the Schaffer Wireless in the studio? seen pics but would love to know if he did. Great round table discussion. Enjoyed it immensely
@@ryanmcinnis8190 I get a little boost when I use my Samson wireless. It's one bonus that I can hear cause I don't use very often. I would imagine they would cable any electric guitar in a recording session.
This is amazing. Eddy v Halen couldn't afford to buy a second guitar. You got to be kidding. It's part of the EvH myth now.
@@markr.devereux3385 It might have been EVH just liked that particular guitar and/or thought it would be the perfect one for the song(s).
@@mattkaustickomments I consider this minutia it was me I'd go out and buy one what ever it starting to sound like BLACK MAGIC on this damn guitar tone. It didn't have vibrato to boot. Hold on did they say this was the exact one used on the ALBUM COVER photo. I was confused was it a destroyer or an explorer?
Thank God these work orders still exist. Let's hope the music resurfaces.
EVH wasn't just breaking new ground, he reinvented the guitar, rock music, and the whole world of guitar manufacturing and amplifiers with it. His singular effect on all of it, world wide, can never be fully appreciated or overestimated. Think about it, he changed everything.
This is GOLD, Jerry!
This is like the first time I ever subscribed to a channel on purpose. It is rare indeed for me even to comment. THEESE guys bring a lot to the table about THOSE guys. Hats off to the Round Table format and overall presentation including the Q&A. To me as a humble 61 year old musician, the authenticity of your statements/opinions weigh in with me and the truth is all I seek. PS thank you for taking the time to share this information and I encourage you all to share more of your insights on Van Halen or any other. Thank You All
That’s awesome!!!
Brian is THE MAN. Not just good info, great insight. Great video. Please do more of these with other bands, producers, runners, dealers, drummer wives etc.
Fair Warning is my favorite album. Hard to have favorites but that album is such an excellent sledge hammer of Van Halen!!! Thank you SO MUCH for doing this series!!! So incredible!!!
When I think of Ed's piano playing, the first song that comes to mind every time is Right Now. Love that piece.
Brian Kehew is clearly wicked smart and very articulate. I'm soaking up every word here & loving it. The sole reason I picked up a guitar and started playing was because of Eddie. Still listen to all those VH albums and never get tired of or bored with that music. Inspiring!
Can you guys get Ted and Don to talk at the round table discussion about the VH albums?
Yes, this would be amazing!
That should be next! 🎯
the Schlitz beer can makes the Intruder intro
Ed's live Eruption solo didn't even have tapping until 1977 before that it was just string noises and Echoplex repeats. I think Ed took the descending tapping theme from Ace Frehley's live Shock Me unaccompanied solo
@@BillDerBerg not only on the album there was no tapping period until 1977
... a walk down memory lane.
This is great, along with parts 1 & 2. So much info that could’ve gone missing!
We need more of these “get togethers” where everyone can weigh in on the ins and outs of our favorite groups and personalities... I’ve watched these twice! Good stuff!
Thanks for all the memories and hard work!
It was sad to see Edward pass, but it's fun to see how it brings out the Fan Boy in all of us.
As a VanHalen fan of 30 years and guitar player I think these shows are incredible. Thanks to Sunset Studios for this. Also I love the Realistic shirt.. that's Radio Shack brand from back in the 80s!
Since at least 1969...
Good stuff I want more! Everybody wants some
Thank you so much to Sunset Sound and Brian Kehew for putting this Round Table format and overall presentation including the Q&A together, very informative, very much appreciated indeed! For myself a humble hobbyist drummer/musician, the sheer volume of knowledge contained within these three segments was simply outstanding! Statements made, sometimes for the very first time, your opinions counterbalance all of the rumors that have been floating around for decades. You've brought forth the truth about the first Lp and demo sessions we have all been thirsting for for so many years. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart, so very much appreciated indeed!
One suggestion if I might, if you follow up on this maybe could you expand upon and or share more insight into the recording of Alex's drums?
This is history. Music Theory for our time. Thanks for putting all this together.
What a nice and relax and accurate chat. I love when history gets complete by making the people reunite for the first time (why this didn t happen before?)
Thanks for the stereo reverb insight, honestly I find it easier to just send everything I want to my chamber bus. Sounds much more organic.
Everything in this series has been top-notch. Seen quite a variety of people and topics covered and they're all my favorite. Finding a great podcast is like finding a great band. Thanks for posting.
Glad you like them!
These videos are just so awesome. I really hope we'll get more VH material in the coming years. Seems like there's much more than even the 5150 wall of tapes.
Bring on the NERD STUFF! lol My wife and I love this stuff! Thank u so much!
This BRIAN guy has dropped information Ive waited for. Man oh man ❤️ and yes those 2 Montrose albums are the best!!!! I think they are as cool as any VH
Thanks for putting out such a long 3 videos. The between takes speaking is so cool. Thank you Sunset keep it up!
Keep going . ua-cam.com/video/WCswxx3ewsI/v-deo.html
I’ve watched this so many times and love every moment. Please get more people to chat about VH and EVH. Doug M. was Also a great guest and Peggy M. was pretty good but Brian is the best and so knowledgeable
Love this series! Thank you for sharing the insights into the creation of these classics, both musically and technically!
Well thanks a lot guys you ruined my whole day since I had so much to do around the house .Instead I am riveted to my computer watching all of these videos from Sunset Sound.. I've been in there btw when I used to work for Jamo
Thank you for putting this video together. Wonderful stuff! History we all enjoying getting to learn about! Thank you again!!
Absolutely agree about out of love again with Alex's drum track is amazing there's Parts in it where he's actually following Eddie's guitar riffs on the leads Alex is definitely a great drummer
Wow….such great information and history….and yes….Alex is one of the most underrated drummers ever!
Alex Rules!
Good table talk. I used to ponder the thoughts of conversations like this. Look to hear more.
Thank you sooooo much for this! Brian's input is huge.
Thanks for doing - and sharing - that. Makey my day.
Man this is epic. Thank you so much. I have been working on the metro forums and building my 68 plexi to nail eddies tone and this is gold..
Pure gold! I could listen to this stuff all day long. Hopefully there will be more, thank you for doing this.
Great stuff, and for the record- YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO NERDY. 💜
Amen
We really need a Van Halen Movie....
The brief discussion of Fair Warning was cool. Overshadowed by a couple of other classic tracks, I think "Hear About It Later" is seriously overlooked - songwriting, arrangement, performance, recording, mix, and Ed just being Ed. It's an amazing listen on every level ... maybe their best. Sunset Sound should be tremendously proud to have made these recorded moments possible.
A great big thank you sunset and Brian & company, this is music to my ears, love to hear this kind of info, you're the man, 💯🤘 much love from the East coast
Oh man that was awesome!!!!
"Feelin' Groovy" by the Harpers Bizarre was on the air at Boss Radio KHJ-Los Ángeles on February 10, 1967. It was on the KHJ Boss 30 survey "Hitbound" for the survey February 15, 1967. There is an aircheck were Boss Radio Jock, Humble Harve plays it on his show! So Ted Templeman had to have been in early 1967 or as late 1966 at Sunset Sound!
Very informative! ty so much!
Thank you for asking my question if an original recording of the MiniMoog later used on Dancing In The Streets existed.
Another great episode Love the Roundtable
More insightful info here, thanks for posting this!
I could listen to these stories all day! The info here is unlike anything you would get anywhere. To be in the know one had to be there!
Fantastic stuff guys 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I can nerd out on thus all day😂😂
Yes! Please get Donn Landee in for a video. That would be great.
Don Landee must have purposely avoided media of any kind his entire career. To this day you Google him and you get the same two pictures, the one with him and Eddie and a group photo with Steve Rosen, Eddie, and Les Paul. I’ve never found any video footage of him being interviewed and there is very little print interviews to find. The guy is a total fucking enigma.
@@mikea4015 It's a shame. This music is historic and we need everyone involved to get on record about how it was down before they all die. One tragedy (beside Ed's death) is that no one got Edward to discuss the dual JBL/Celestian speaker set up before he died. No one got Ed to play all of this classic riffs on camera so we could see how he did it. Even 40 years later much of it is a mystery, though many guitarists have figured much of it out. But, having had Ed show us would have been gold.
Listening to this series was GOLD!!! Thank you! Looking forward to more, subscribed.
These are killer! I love hearing the stories of how it got done.
Excellent Video : Vanhalen Absolutely Beautifu!l
This is so awesome!!!... I watched part 1 yesterday and now I'm watching this video. I'm hanging onto every word that's being said. So memorizing! ... Thank you to all that made this possible! 👏👍👏👍
Great stuff, I could listen to this VH stuff all day. Thank you so much for this.
Hat's off to these gentlemen who brought us this amazing information. Thank you all @Sunset Sound Recorders.
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That was REALLY interestingThanks!
I love these interviews. Thanks for putting them up!
Have a few notes from Donn Landee about the UA/Bushnell 5150 console. The console was sold several years ago and is in Canada. UA2100 and UA2100SC strips of course. All compressor pulled out and pan pots added.
Wasn’t it parceled out by Brent Averill a few years ago? There was a “Van Halen” console that he turned into sets of rackmount pre-amps.
Example here:
preampchannelstrip.net/rare_vintage_universal_audio_brent_averill_1108_dual_channel_mic_pres.htm
Those are 1108’s of course, the 5150 desk had a few when Donn could get them. I have an email from Donn where he explains a few things that were changed as it was modded. I do have a picture of the console when it was pulled out of a warehouse and the studio it went to. I was trying my best to purchase it...but was too late.
It was posted on eBay and Gearslutz too. But I don’t doubt a few 1108’s ended up at Brents.
Richard Kaplan (Indigo Ranch) told me he purchased the 1 of 2 UA desks from United Western..Eddie ended up with the other for his 5150 studio.
@@deandydek433
Here is an old GearSlutz thread where Avedis Kifedjian explains what he did. Reportedly Brent Averill got all the modules from the 5150 consoles, and Avedis racked them up for retail.
I recall the frame going for sale completely unloaded (~10 year ago?).
www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/68725-bret-averill-universal-audio-urei-1108-a.html
Both boards would arguably be of equal VH importance as just about everything from the Roth era was done on one and/or the other.
@@ThemFuzzyMonsters Here is another thread about the 5150 console,
"EvilW" in the thread was the person I was talking to about purchasing it.
www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/546752-5150-studios.html#post6623792
Going back my emails with EW, he shared a conversation between Dave Gordon and Donn Landee, you're right as Brent did rack the 1108's from that desk. But EW states it wasnt parted out. This was back on 4/2008.
Interesting...I may post their exchange.. Let me gather it all.
It is also really cool that back in the day, everything was done on one console with limited outboard gear. It keeps you more focused on the music and the writing over the gear.
Love this!
Thanks for doing this. Amazing!
So much cool Eddie info and insights here. As far as the Floyd Trem springs goes, I’ve seen photos where when he started using the fat brass block where the springs attach, he used 2 springs in a V with the claw screwed in tight to the body. He was constantly experimenting.
My friends and I at the time LOVED Fair Warning…we lived it as part of the soundtrack to our lives….and to me, I’ve always thought it was one of their best albums, musically.
It's a Masterpiece!
Best VH tour in 81 as well
Hey guys,
So here's my unwanted opinion....
- I frickin LOVE all of these posts, BEYOND EXCELLENT WORK.
- You could have gotten "Nerdier" for MY personal taste. I've been a Van Halen/ Alex Van Halen fan since 1979.(By "Nerdier" I mean I wish that you would have spoken about what were Alex's EXACT drum kit set ups for EACH individual.albums.)
- it's been stated that Eddie always plays bass guitar on at least one track of every album and for YEARS I've ALWAYS believed that that's him on bass guitar on "Dirty Movie's" from Fair Warning. From beginning to end it has ALL the tellings of Eddie and NOT my FOREVER #1 Rock bass player of all time Mr. Michael Anthony.
- Also, I really would have appreciated MORE in depth discussion on the phenomenal three-part harmony backup vocals.
Like how DLR would sometimes overdub a backup vocal part to make the back up vocals "richer"
And did Alex ever contribute his vocals to ANY tracks on ANY albums?
- I appreciate you guys so much with these posts. They REALLY helped me so much during my grieving process. Sometimes I still can't believe that he's gone. Thanks again, God bless ALL of you guys ALWAYS!!!
That ripley guitar Brian mentions is what Ed used on the recording of Top Jimmy. Listen close & you'll hear that some strings are panned left and some are panned right. It's a very subtle but cool sound. Every pole in the pickups of that guitar are wired individually through pan pots that send the signal to one of two output jacks (or varying amounts of both).
Bartoloni stereo pickup
I thoroughly enjoyed this series. So good. Thanks.
Lot more to come
The Hot For Teacher intro that sounds borrowed, is the drums from Trevor Rabin's song Looking For A Lady(wolfman), from the 1981 album Wolf.
Most likely influenced by quadrant 4 billy cobham or space boogie Jeff beck, but that Trevor rabin track sounds like it too. Thx, never heard before. Great stuff
It’s 100% “Quadrant 4” from Spectrum.
The Trevor Rabin track is most obvious... that little drum break (very HFT), the rhythm...not so much Quadrant 4. If Edward discovered Holdsworth he may have easily heard the Rabin album.
I could listen to him talk about Van Halen all day.
Edwards ability to piece together a usable guitar on first attempt is mind blowing. To the average person this would be against all odds. If his biggest challenge at the end of the day was the need to wd40 the nut periodically on his pre-Floyd Rose system, Eddie absolutely far exceeded all expectations. Great stuff, Thanks 🎸
Appreciate these!
There's very subtle keyboards on So this is love.
Yep, Wurlitzer electric piano...I couldn’t hear it until I listened to the isolated tracks.
Thank you
I left Rochester N.Y. on Dec, 31,1966 got on a plane to L.A.
Arrive at LAX Jan. 1, 1967.
Stayed at the Hollywood Sunset Hotel ,and the Colonial West both on Sunset .
A different world in those those days .
The others staying there Peter Asher, P.F. Sloan, Little Richard , Harper’s Bizarre and others I can’t recall.
I got to know a couple of guys in HB quite well Ted Templeman being one.
-I was a staff writer,and session player -
Everyone would cross paths in the elevator ,lounge or restaurant everyday.
In April or May 1967 I think it was Asher Benjamin - a great writer - said he saw McCartney in a limo down on Santa Monica Blvd. a few days later the Harper’s manager invited Benjamin ,and me up to his room to hear something with the other guys in HB, we didn’t have a clue.
We go up smoked a joint ,and he pulls out a 1/4 in tape ,and threads it.
It was “ A Day In the Life “ .
Needless to say it blew everyone away.
Ted was a nice guy that looked more like a guy going to prep school than a guy i a light rock band.
“ Feelin Groovy “ was a hit at the time .
Fast forward to July 1967 . I was in Rochester doing an interview at a radio station WBBF - had a regional hit in summer of 65 - as I’m leaving the elevator door opens ,and the Harper’s get off. None of us could believe it. We talked for a few minutes,and I went with them for an interview they were doing.
Ted was a good shit - upstate lingo for a good guy - .
I was blown away years later when I heard his name as a producer , I can’t recall which album it was, maybe Van Halen.
I do remember it was a total disconnect for me.
Ted was the singer in HB ,and would be the last person I would have thought would still be in the music biz.
Not only still in but a monumental influence as a producer. Success couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
This information is so interesting and cool!! I don't know why I like hearing this but it is so cool
This is just amazing to hear!! Thank you all for sharing!!
11:34 - I could swear that when I was reading YEARS ago about how Ed would tear apart and rebuild or modify guitars, he had borrowed a guitar from Chris Holmes, and cut a chunk out of it to make it look cooler, which ended up changing the sound of the guitar for the worse, so he had to buy Chris a new guitar.
At 24:56, in regard to the Gene Simmons-produced demo, "No one has the original tape..." And 26:59, "Maybe Gene Simmons has his tapes..." Actually, it's probably at 5150. EDWARD has the tapes. Everyone knows the story about the brothers backing Gene on three songs he demoed for KISS (two were on "Love Gun," and one ended up on his 1978 solo album). Gene wanted to put those on the 2001 KISS box set, but couldn't get the approval from Ed and Al. Forward to Gene's "Vault" box set of demos dating back to the 1960s which he put out a few years ago. The demos with the brothers are on there, and to get permission from them to include them, he agreed to give them the master tapes from the demos he produced for them. So, there you go. Who has the Gene Simmons tapes? They're at Ed's place. And as for demos pre-dating even those, I know they were recording demos as far back as 1973. Roth played some on his show before. You can find stuff like "Glitter," "Angel Eyes," and "Gentlemen of Leisure" on UA-cam. Those might have even been recorded with Mark Stone on bass.
I think Fair Warning is underrated. There is so much innovation on songs other than Mean Street. Push Comes to shove and One foot out the door, are so clean. I don’t hear any over dubs, just mic’d instruments and an ambient mic.
Wow!! I haven’t seen Brian since the late eighties when I lived in Riverside,Ca!! He sold me a couple guitars at Liers Music!!
Evh said in a 1982 interview that’s on UA-cam that it was Dave’s idea to put out pretty woman just as a new fun single to start the year. It became a hit single and Warner brothers told the band they need a album to go along with it
One track that I never hear mentioned that is one of my favorites is Girl Gone Bad from 1984. Just an incredible riff top to bottom.
Hello ,I'm the guy who released the 25 song demo on a Japanese 2 cd (real silver cds),called " BLUEPRINT",. way back in 1997
Love your channel .
I saw Billy or I should say Tales play at the Worlly Drive-in ,way way back be for Billy Shean broke out wow my ears are still ring after all this time.....
...Talas
...Sheehan
Had no idea how big that room is, wow!
If I’d had access to all this VH info when I started playing guitar (‘04/‘05)... I wouldn’t have understood a word 😂
I hoping somewhere out there is a properly recorded version of “I wanna be your lover”. I don’t know if that was ever done at SSR, but if it ever was it would be amazing to hear. I’d buy it!
Outta Love Again is my #2 all time fave VH tune(after On Fire). I believe that Alex played part of Outta Love Again in his solo n the latter part of the 93 tour.
Love your show! If you bring Donn Landee on that would be like Christmas. If you get him together with Ted Templeman that would be Christmas and New Year's Eve at the same time! 🥂🤘💥
Thank you !! Mr Kehew really reminds me of young Roger Glover ?
The stereo reverb explanation from Brian is a major revelation to me and most who, as Brian said, always thought the reverb was panned to one side and the guitar was panned to the other...Not so!
He specially talking about the chamber (echo) not reverb. That would usually be mono with one mic on the plate, the chamber would be miked in stereo
@@mumbles215 Correct!
I need that Realistic shirt. I worked at Radio Shack as a teenager.
out of love again best track....Alex is on fire
I just want Live footage 84 and earlier. Seen the few out there already lots of times.
yep this
Greensboro 81 is fucking incredible...the best I've heard...
Theres a 1983 Diver Down concert Argentina w Eddie to Alex's right. Its the only time Ed played on Alexs right in a show ..
Jim Burgess remixed two singles from Prince's very first album " Soft and Wet" & " As long as we're together".
I've heard Eruption goes back to the backyard party days and was originally 10 minutes long
AVH snare drum sound has been discussed many times. First 3 records he used Ludwig Supraphonic 6.5x14 standard issue. First record was most likely a taped up black dot batter head. Second record was most likely ambassador head lightly taped, that's why he got that nice crack. Third record back to probably a more taped up ambassador. I agree that VH II has absolutely the best snare and overall drum sound of any VH record of any era.
From FW through 5150 AVH used a Tama Rosewood 6.5x14 snare with what sounds like a tightly wound black dot with minimal taping. It sounds like from OU812 forward it was back to a Ludwig snare. The only tour I saw VH on was F.U.C.K. and Alex used I think a 10x14 Ludwig marching snare that he had to modify a conventional snare stand for. Black dot on that drum and it was like a cannon up in the nose bleed section !
Comments at 9:37 are so true. With what's been gained with ProTools, DAWs, etc., the homogeneity's been lost. Great to have the luxury of endless plugins of pres and verbs on hand for each channel, but does it serve the whole track sonically?