1934: What if USA turn Fascist

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
  • What would have happened if in 1934, after a march on Washington, following the impoverishment caused by the Great Depression, a Fascist government had taken power in the United States?
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  • @zaijiancelis
    @zaijiancelis 3 місяці тому +875

    When you turn off historical in HOI4:

    • @bradeylemme-nj1zu
      @bradeylemme-nj1zu 3 місяці тому +18

      @zaijiancelis it is so true!

    • @U_Jelly
      @U_Jelly 3 місяці тому +44

      when you turn off the zionism setting

    • @GLK-pz6ko
      @GLK-pz6ko 3 місяці тому +1

      Fr💀

    • @1mol831
      @1mol831 3 місяці тому +13

      Mac Arthur usually shows up

    • @gregoryturk1275
      @gregoryturk1275 3 місяці тому +12

      Reinstate the gold standard

  • @user-bu6iz2jk2l
    @user-bu6iz2jk2l 3 місяці тому +505

    I like how all of these alternate history videos are styled like a documentary, as if it's a real piece of history. And I absolutely love that. Underrated channel.

    • @ls-420stoner6
      @ls-420stoner6 3 місяці тому +36

      Agreed, he's criminally underrated. He gives us Alt History and now sci-fi. The man's truly a gem.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +59

      thank you! I appreciate your comment

    • @Franklin_D_Roosevelt_45
      @Franklin_D_Roosevelt_45 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@zvallid why did I feel that this is based on a HOI4 mod ?

    • @ls-420stoner6
      @ls-420stoner6 3 місяці тому +2

      @@zvallid we appreciate you as well.

    • @commenter648
      @commenter648 2 місяці тому +1

      @@ls-420stoner6 the alien war one was cool

  • @LoneWolfsLair
    @LoneWolfsLair 2 місяці тому +34

    “There will be no Pearl Harbor, the US that began rearmament in 1934 is scary.” Absolute Understatement. I have been saying for years a fascist America would make Germany look tiny in terms of military capability. We would be a nightmare.

    • @Dinoface96
      @Dinoface96 21 день тому +7

      Basically having mongol sheer amount of population and mobility, and Roman empire technological and military might combined into one.

    • @handlessuck777
      @handlessuck777 10 днів тому

      ​@@Dinoface96Ngl, you're making it sound badass.

  • @MynameisDeez7758
    @MynameisDeez7758 2 місяці тому +114

    USA: *invades mexico*
    Canada: *sweats profusely*

    • @loganrh
      @loganrh 2 місяці тому +9

      Imagine we wanted the connected of Alaska with continental USA

    • @GreAtWhiteShark303
      @GreAtWhiteShark303 2 місяці тому +15

      "our dedicated boys keep the peace in newly annexed canada"

    • @Fredert2
      @Fredert2 2 місяці тому +2

      If America were to invade Canada as well in this timeline, I’d expect a letter to be sent to Quebec asking them to begin an uprising and join the USA in their invasion

    • @loafoffloof3420
      @loafoffloof3420 Місяць тому

      fallout 4 in 1930s HOI4 Historical (modded):

    • @Ejb905
      @Ejb905 24 дні тому

      Fuck that. Canada would fight to the death if Americans were to annex or attack..
      Canadians fought from the start in both world wars while Americans stayed out
      Wouldn't say we'd win but we'd fucking die trying

  • @ivanserov1846
    @ivanserov1846 3 місяці тому +391

    Now waiting for 1934: What if USA turn communist featuring Smedley Butler and Apple Pie Communist Browder

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +110

      Good idea

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 3 місяці тому

      @@zvallid Waiting for George W Christians as the leaders of Southern Communists

    • @SDM_Arcugos
      @SDM_Arcugos 3 місяці тому +42

      ​@zvallid remove Teddy Roosevelt and have the oligarchs stay in power in the USA for some decades until they collapse into civil war like what happened in Russia.
      ww2 would be Germany-Japan-Britain vs USA-USSR

    • @alfredoaquino7488
      @alfredoaquino7488 3 місяці тому +5

      ​@@zvallidGrandioso trabajo tienes talento amigo.

    • @FodaseNaoLigo
      @FodaseNaoLigo 3 місяці тому

      @@SDM_Arcugos nah

  • @JamesBath-rk8dk
    @JamesBath-rk8dk 3 місяці тому +162

    another great work from the best alternate history UA-camr (I really hope you don't get taken down)

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +59

      Indeed this video is really close to UA-cam's limit

    • @JamesBath-rk8dk
      @JamesBath-rk8dk 3 місяці тому +1

      @@zvallidUA-cam's limit is next to nothing they will take you down for no reason

  • @eddieschwab864
    @eddieschwab864 3 місяці тому +140

    Keep in mind the P-51 Mustang in original timeline was powered by the Rolls-Royce Merlin. If they're using the same engine as the BF 109 it is in fact in our modern nomenclature a BMW engine Because the actual manufacturer of the 109 is Bayerisch-Fleugzeug-Werke what is the aviation division of what we know today as BMW. Based on the architecture it's not a surprise although I would expect some other aircraft to be powered by lightened aluminum versions of Maybach engines...

  • @omshah8529
    @omshah8529 2 місяці тому +24

    Next up:The world if Hitler got accepted into Art School and never got interested in politics.😮

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому +6

      yes you guess right it's one of the projects

    • @depeeper218
      @depeeper218 26 днів тому +1

      ​@@zvallidWonder if WW2 would the soviets and japanese versus Western Europe and the USA

  • @thatoneyoutuber8034
    @thatoneyoutuber8034 3 місяці тому +68

    The king has returned with another banger 🔥

  • @bigsmungo2204
    @bigsmungo2204 3 місяці тому +47

    Awesome video zvallid, hope you continue uploading your stuff

  • @joshualai9019
    @joshualai9019 3 місяці тому +65

    What an awesome scenario! Thank you for posting all these wonderful alternate history vids that make my day!

  • @georgestauber2636
    @georgestauber2636 Місяць тому +12

    This is my favorite alternate history channel bar none.

  • @blauwbeer556
    @blauwbeer556 3 місяці тому +25

    I love this new direction your going in where you focus more on domestic and economic changes instead of just more military movements on maps, not that i have a problem with those but i can imagine that it's getting hard to not repeat yourself when it comes to the military.
    But i kinda expected this to take place in the communist europe timeline, not in this reality. Knowing you though, you'd summerize this video in 2 minutes or so at the beggining to the threequel ;)

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +9

      I think this timeline is easier to follow, having a start not too far from our timeline.

  • @ComentadorPolitico
    @ComentadorPolitico 2 місяці тому +9

    The way the US became authoritarian in such an unclear way, maintaining its constitution and many of the institutions of democracy, is what makes this video very realistic. Also, the connection between bankers and big industries in support of this political maneuver seems American
    No fast regime change, no change in the flag, no new constitution, an illusion of continuity. It is a warning for our real World.

    • @marcleewinser8534
      @marcleewinser8534 День тому +1

      ...and You can see the first Warning Signs lighting up. 'Turn back! Danger! Don't go any further!' But no one seems to notice - no one obviously cares...

  • @ravenlord4
    @ravenlord4 3 місяці тому +15

    Wonderful, as always! It's amazing how one little change in history can cause a cascade of events so different from our own timeline.

  • @user-bq9cz9xl3m
    @user-bq9cz9xl3m 3 місяці тому +24

    zvallid uploaded my day is awesome now

  • @daniil7543
    @daniil7543 3 місяці тому +63

    I doubt that the USSR would collapse so easily even in this timeline. Even if the Wehrmacht receives help from the United States and German industrial facilities remains untouched. Well, the fact that the Soviets will just lay down their arms after the fall of Moscow and retreat beyond the Urals, stopping the fighting in Europe, is a pure fantasy.
    Also, I doubt that the USSR would not have transferred Siberian divisions to Moscow front, even taking into account the absence of a war between Japan and the United States. At the beginning of the video it is said that after clashes with the Red army at Khalkhin Gol, Japan abandoned its attack on Siberia. In our timeline, it was information from Soviet intelligence officers in Japan, who learned that the Japanese leadership was not planning a war against the USSR, that became the reason for the transfer of Siberian divisions. I see no objective reasons for this not to happen in this timeline. This means that the USSR’s position would have been more advantageous.
    The Sino-Japanese War also likely continued. Given that the US did not embargo the Japanese in this timeline (Although this statement is also quite controversial, because the Empire of Japan is still a competitor for America in the Asia-Pacific region and I don’t think that the established fascist regime will change this, if not aggravate it by introducing even tougher sanctions and much earlier, than in our timeline. Perhaps the situation from your other video will even be repeated, where the United States began to fight on the side of the Axis, and Japan de facto joined the Allies.), the Empire of Japan can now fight for much longer without fear of its resources being depleted. China is too huge and also supported by the US.
    Consequently, neither side will be interested in peace negotiations, believing that they can get more if they win.

    • @someguythatlookslikeme8306
      @someguythatlookslikeme8306 3 місяці тому +27

      Without the great damage done to the Luftwaffa by British night fighters(using rudimentary radar, made by USA) during the Battle of Britain and the subsequent mass bombing of German Industries during the day(by USA, suffering huge losses) and the British(again, bombing at night and destroying industry after industry thru night raids) the Wehrmacht would have been able to resupply overland, and even if 6th army was surrounded by Russian forces the LW would have resupplied by air. And let's not forget Stalin's 3 days in seclusion after the initial massive losses to Third Reich forces that he was awaiting his own arrest, but it turned out they came to see if he was done being drunk and ready to lead.Without the USA's secret arming of Britain with the most amazing of rudimentary radar systems, sold thru Mexico to avoid the American ban on arming European nations, while even American planes had no radar , Britain would have lost the air war. This is not a well known part of history. Most radar were huge land based installations. Only England had this radar. We,USA, had it too after 1945 but the air force eventually went with a different system that was better using a design that's the basis of current radar technology.
      I know about this because it was my grandfather's company that built this radar system, and made him and his friends very rich in 1935, 1 year after he started shipping HIS radar system to Britain.

    • @daniil7543
      @daniil7543 3 місяці тому +10

      @@someguythatlookslikeme8306 I do not argue that under the conditions shown in the video, the chances of the USSR ending the war by defeating the enemy in its capital, as in our timeline, are small (And most likely zero).
      But don't discount reality. On paper, everything can be very good, but when it comes to implementing plans, problems often begin. For example, a partisan movement that undermines supplies, logistical problems caused by long distances (After all, Russia is very huge). And, of course, the fact that you are fighting an opponent equal to you. Because it’s one thing when, for example, Great Britain defeated China in the Opium Wars, having technological superiority in everything. And it’s completely different when Germany, with all its planes, tanks and artillery, starts a war against the USSR, which also has this (Also, do not forget that Soviet industry was relocated beyond the Urals, which makes it impossible for the Luftwaffe to deal a crushing blow to factories. Consequently, the Soviets can also replenish their supplies).
      And it should not be ruled out that a hypothetical Soviet-German war could last for a decade, similar to the Second Sino-Japanese War, in which Japanese troops were also stuck in grueling battles.

    • @someguythatlookslikeme8306
      @someguythatlookslikeme8306 3 місяці тому +9

      @@daniil7543 I most definitely agree with you on the partisan efforts. Not only did they cause a constant disruption to that humongous supply line, they were always taking up popular feelings due to the heavy handed responses brought about by the Germans(not unlike what we are seeing with the Israeli fight against Hamas, at this moment). The Germans were at the very suburbs of Moscow and Stalin not only did not retreat he continued with the May 5 celebration as if German artillery was not landing 10 miles away! But, if Moscow fell, I do not see the soviet's ever regaining momentum yet it's very difficult to picture a German victory. Maybe if they recruited former soldiers, not politicos, of the Red Army as a puppet occupation force could the USSR have been defeated permanently. I just don't see a German victory as being possible in our reality, without strong support from Japan. Which did not come. Even with the mobility of the Soviet Industry, until the end of the war many of the T-34's and the Illyushons were being produced in America. This I only learned recently. I figured we helped them with material, but I've since learned we shipped assemble on arrival versions of the T-34 that were being made in USA and shipped thru to Archangel. It was a huge ammt of goods.
      No. I can't see a lasting German victory, but without the Luftwaffes losses over Britain, there wouldn't have been the level of lend-lease we sent that could have arrived. Germany was too advanced in their industrial capacity.

    • @someguythatlookslikeme8306
      @someguythatlookslikeme8306 3 місяці тому +6

      I absolutely agree that negotiation by either side would be impossible. Not because victory was so close but because so much had already been expended.

    • @Norg1
      @Norg1 3 місяці тому +1

      Somewhere in this timeline if Italy is attacking North Africa middleast Greece they will be at war with britian and france and if there at war with Italy they are at war with Germany
      Japan will attack the phillipines and southeast Asia once they fail with the soviet union thus Japan will be at war with usa
      So we got britian France Japan soviet union Mexico all at war with usa and Germany

  • @jimschledorn5619
    @jimschledorn5619 3 місяці тому +30

    Doesn’t sound so bad to me

    • @BlackPill-pu4vi
      @BlackPill-pu4vi Місяць тому +2

      If we followed Germany of the time, the U.S. and the entire West would be far better off. Looking at the results of the past 80 years, there's no credible argument against such an alternative.

  • @asperg1996
    @asperg1996 23 дні тому +3

    I assume the Americans captured Trotsky invading Mexico vs our timeline Stalin’s assassin taking him out with a ice pic

  • @billnotice9957
    @billnotice9957 3 місяці тому +51

    The first 6 minutes sounds some much like America today. Especially the leadership qualities. This is very realistic

    • @Fafne
      @Fafne 3 місяці тому +1

      FR

    • @loganrh
      @loganrh 2 місяці тому +5

      We live in an uncertain time, where we never really recovered from 2008 in terms of economics. Sure, things are a lot better. But they're not as stable. We've seen democracy through and through, so people don't find it hard to criticize it, reasonably or not. A reform of government to be something a lot more right wing is fairly realistic in happening in our timeline to the future. Fortunately or not? Who really can say. I doubt it'd be as drastic as this, though. We have far too many measures in place and enough remaining support towards the federal government.

    • @C63Bez
      @C63Bez 4 дні тому

      @@loganrhmain thing I think is there aren’t fascist governments today that the people would look at and want to idolize, which could have been inspiration back then as the video suggests

    • @loganrh
      @loganrh 4 дні тому

      @@C63Bez Id disagree as in the heat of moments where times are tough a lot of people lose rationality

  • @ledbullet100
    @ledbullet100 27 днів тому +3

    GLORY TO THE FREE AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!!!

  • @rhyusbrand8311
    @rhyusbrand8311 2 місяці тому +3

    Tbh, people would’ve abolished the Federal Government if they were _this_ outraged, going back to the States just like 1776.

  • @Chava132
    @Chava132 3 місяці тому +33

    Can you make what if Russia leave WW1 earlier?So in this scenario after abdicating tsar Nicholas on March 1917 Russian Provisional Government sign a peace treaty with Central powers.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +25

      a ww1 scenario with russia allied with germany or nnot falling in a revolution is one of the projects

    • @Chava132
      @Chava132 3 місяці тому +7

      @@zvallidNot Russia joining central powers but the Provisional Government sign a peace treaty with Russia&leave WW1

  • @IDONTHAVEANYNAMES
    @IDONTHAVEANYNAMES 2 місяці тому +5

    WE DEFEATED THE WRONG ENEMY ~Gen. Geoge s patton 1945

  • @thegermanfool8953
    @thegermanfool8953 3 місяці тому +8

    Yahoooo 🥳 loving these alternate scenarios! Definitely binge-watching them all again today after watching this one.

  • @StarterOffical-Jousha-lf6ig
    @StarterOffical-Jousha-lf6ig 3 місяці тому +10

    Adolf Biden is real now💀

  • @CptZephyr
    @CptZephyr 2 місяці тому +15

    Sounds pretty based.

  • @Daniel13-jx4nk
    @Daniel13-jx4nk 3 місяці тому +59

    What if Mosley took power?

    • @rangar6853
      @rangar6853 3 місяці тому +46

      England wouldn't join war and be a better place then in our timeline

    • @Daniel13-jx4nk
      @Daniel13-jx4nk 3 місяці тому +29

      @@rangar6853 sadly that's probably true, it's a shame that a fascist was the last person who could save the British empire and the white race as a whole

    • @rangar6853
      @rangar6853 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Daniel13-jx4nk You can know truth yet you still will watch how your country turn into third world shithole because of some ww2 communistic-warmongers propaganda
      The Europe under Painter rule would be a better place a Heaven compared to current situation

    • @rangar6853
      @rangar6853 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Daniel13-jx4nk At least you aren't beliving in anti White propaganda made in that period of time, ww2 was not winned by good guys
      Remember
      Black Sun or black son

    • @rangar6853
      @rangar6853 3 місяці тому +33

      @@Daniel13-jx4nk The choice is yours
      Black Sun or black son

  • @Metratch
    @Metratch 3 місяці тому +7

    its concerning how people overlook and forget US actually had almost a fascist coup / support towards European fascism before ww2. This could have actually happened, thankfully not.

  • @AzothMusik
    @AzothMusik 3 місяці тому +6

    Video about operation unthinkable would be great. channel is severely underrated!!!! great work!

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +3

      i made it

    • @user-dj3ml7ed1j
      @user-dj3ml7ed1j 3 місяці тому +1

      it's already made. allies vs soviets 1945

  • @akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804
    @akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 3 місяці тому +8

    10:56 not even talking about it is crazy 😭

  • @johnspencer772
    @johnspencer772 Місяць тому +2

    Excellent documentary. As a black person, i to believe that life here would have evolved into something more oppressive and perhaps more deadly.

  • @Lokey7158
    @Lokey7158 3 місяці тому +15

    Hi Zvallid great video👍

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +3

      thank you!

  • @arrjay2410
    @arrjay2410 15 днів тому +1

    I am always fascinated by the various alternate histories on UA-cam.
    In spite of the stumbles in English pronunciation, this one is the most detailed and comprehensive I have seen so far. It does come across as a Documentary, keying on an obscure event, the assassination of Roosevelt.
    The fact that the US Constitution is circumvented, rather than being overthrown by the fascistic forces makes it more believable, if not a little sad.

  • @ricardosenpai6121
    @ricardosenpai6121 3 місяці тому +19

    Sounds good for us here in the Philippines, unless they actually fully implement Racial Policies in the Philippines, but based on their ideology, they will probably just make the mainland as white as possible, probably leaving us alone with Macarthur (in which already sounds great for us) and just have relaxed to non-existent Racial Policies.

    • @SiJullianToGuys
      @SiJullianToGuys 3 місяці тому +7

      Yeah, we'll probably just be like a bigger Hawaii.

    • @jcomandante6629
      @jcomandante6629 2 місяці тому

      We gonna be protestant in 70 years.

  • @NapoleonVIII
    @NapoleonVIII 2 місяці тому +4

    I assume the following: Roosevelts successor is considered incompetent. So the people wanted a new election. A new party comes to power: "America First Commitee". The new president is Charles Lindbergh. The AFC says America should stay out of other countries and focus on itself. So we have a similar development than in the video, but a little more realistic. Lindbergh was a pilot, so he also came from the military.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому +1

      Lindbergh was too young in 1934

    • @NapoleonVIII
      @NapoleonVIII 2 місяці тому +1

      @@zvallid, oh. I know of the prominence of the AFC, so I assumed they would be likely to be in power. Maybe someone other then Lindbergh?

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому

      @@NapoleonVIII in this timeline i choose bush

  • @trevorwhitham6742
    @trevorwhitham6742 Місяць тому +4

    Well since I’m half black I probably wouldn’t be here

    • @peter455sd
      @peter455sd 25 днів тому

      Believe it or not there were blacks living in Nazi Germany during the war.
      Research it,you will be confused...

  • @Doctor_snw
    @Doctor_snw 17 днів тому +1

    alternate history is probably one of my most favorite genres

  • @Polarisuma
    @Polarisuma 3 місяці тому +4

    always a good day when zvallid posts

  • @Tachyon836
    @Tachyon836 3 дні тому +1

    Being black in America this idea is scary
    I like America too but I can't imagine I'd be very welcome anywhere in this world.

  • @alucard115
    @alucard115 3 місяці тому +4

    Keep up the good work man. Been watching your videos for years. Definitely came a long way.

  • @Snaut1
    @Snaut1 3 місяці тому +57

    What if USA turned Based

  • @jobloluther
    @jobloluther 2 місяці тому +9

    Yeah germany under the NSDAP was not socialist, they had made privatizations and had a liberal economy minister

  • @antoniomariamacri7500
    @antoniomariamacri7500 2 місяці тому +4

    I don't think the US would go along well with Rafael Franco, Terra, Vargas and the likes. While they were admirers of Mussolini, they were also economic nationalists whose policies often came into conflict with American companies' interests, much like Cardeno's. Also, Franco was the leader of a socialist party, the Febreiristas.

  • @aaronbradford9172
    @aaronbradford9172 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you, lot of effort in the production ,well done sir.

  • @MCLegend13
    @MCLegend13 23 дні тому +2

    Mosley would certainly be successful in this timeline if all of Europe and the USA was facist there’s no way his march would fail in this timeline.
    Mosleys and King Edwards Facist Britain would likely try to remain on favourable terms with USA and Germany and Italy even if there is tension between them they would want to return to splendid isolation and not want to get involved in all the needless conflicts it’s more likely to focus on consolidating its power over its colonies.

  • @daveweiss5647
    @daveweiss5647 2 місяці тому +5

    So less war death and destruction around the world is the result reached in this video...? Interesting to think about...!

  • @user-np5td4iz3b
    @user-np5td4iz3b 2 місяці тому +3

    I Love how this is Styled like A Real History Documentary because it reminds Me how Lucky we are and how many Close Calls there were in History and Remind Us that "It could've been Worse"
    For Example:...
    The South could've Survived
    The Axis could've Won
    The Comintern could've Won
    The Axis could've Survived
    The American Revolution could've Failed
    North Korea could've Reunited Korea
    The Central Powers could've Won and or Survived
    Israel could've not Existed
    Idiocracy could've been A Reality
    And America could've became Fascist in 1934

    • @das81
      @das81 2 дні тому

      You don't want to think of a better World... The problem with American exceptionalists... Either conservatives or progresives.

  • @TheZombieman87
    @TheZombieman87 2 місяці тому +3

    I hope there will be a Part 2. If not, this was amazing either way, 8/10.

  • @edgelover1578
    @edgelover1578 Місяць тому +1

    Brilliant and well though of. Awesome job, zvallid!

  • @Chillbilly73
    @Chillbilly73 3 місяці тому +9

    Imagine the blissful future America would've had. No BLM, Antifa, etc.

    • @Michael-bn1oi
      @Michael-bn1oi 3 місяці тому +6

      If you're going to be a clown, at least try and be funny.

    • @Aaron_Guest
      @Aaron_Guest 3 місяці тому +1

      Cringe

    • @Chillbilly73
      @Chillbilly73 3 місяці тому

      @Michael-bn1oi The only one's laughing are the rest of the world at the US with Sleepy Joe and cronies.

  • @sixmax11
    @sixmax11 5 днів тому +2

    who says the USA isn't a fascist country today? maybe germany did win ww2, but thought it better if the media reported that they had lost.
    i always get a kick out of the "would be speaking german" thing. what's so bad about that? half of the country were german immigrants and already spoke german and their kids did too. heck, in high school i took german as my foreign language class.

    • @marcleewinser8534
      @marcleewinser8534 День тому +2

      Well then... Look at the Arm Rests of the Lincoln Memorial. Or at some Bald Eagle Seals with... Fasces.

    • @sixmax11
      @sixmax11 День тому

      @@marcleewinser8534 or behind the president on the wall, when he gives the state of the union address. couldn't be more in your face.

  • @JPJ432
    @JPJ432 2 місяці тому +3

    I have found if one reads the very writings from the people directly involved you get a Much different picture of history than if you listen to it from 3rd parties which can help sometimes start a journey of exploration but if not careful can quickly become a game of Telephone. For example with what really happened in WW2 and what happened with FDR. One place to start is his son Elliot Roosevelts writings. FDR brought him along to his meetings especially the ones with Churchill and Stalin. He made sure his son and Stalin were well acquainted. Both FDR and Stalin did not trust Churchill at all. FDR has said on multiple occasion that Churchill/Londons goal is to not just maintain the Empire but strengthen it. FDRs stated goal was to stop the Empires of Europe and make sure the colonies have their sovereignty. When FDR died Elliot Roosevelt met with Stalin and Stalin was quoted saying "it was Churchill and his gang who killed your father".
    Also we can all thank the City of London and the Bank of England for the rise of Germany during WW2 since they supported and funded them to annex Central Europe for the goal of becoming strong enough to have the Soviets and Germans kill each other off then come in after and gather up all the pieces but of course their Frankenstein monster went rogue and invaded France. Seeing that their creation might get to powerful they declared war on them and well you know the rest of the story.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому

      also FDR goal was to not just maintain the Empire but strengthen it.

  • @JimboPresi22
    @JimboPresi22 2 місяці тому +2

    Didn't we have FDR as president at the time? Dude's the closest thing we had to a fascis/ ultra authoritarian government. He literally followed all the trends such regimes follow ( soviets, ccp, Austrian painter, bald man with helicopter hand etc

  • @Mansukh09
    @Mansukh09 3 місяці тому +19

    What if the Nuclear Bomb was discovered at the end of WW1 by a german scientist

    • @loganrh
      @loganrh 2 місяці тому +7

      that's way too far off to happen

    • @Mansukh09
      @Mansukh09 2 місяці тому

      @@loganrh never know it could cause germany to get a way more lighter peace treaty and may delay the rise of hitler letting soviet armies to invade europe

    • @shad0w_g4ming
      @shad0w_g4ming 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@americanschoolsystem ehhh not really as research of atomic change and nuclear fission started a decade or so before the first world war... it was only really when reasearch started advancing later on during ww2

    • @HolaSeñoryt
      @HolaSeñoryt 2 місяці тому

      It would be hell on earth. Hitler would use it to conquer europe. All hell broke loose. We would have countries nuking each other which add to the casualties of the second world war.

    • @HolaSeñoryt
      @HolaSeñoryt 2 місяці тому

      It would be hell on the earth. Hitler would use it conquer europe. All hell would broke loose. Countries would nuke each to other.

  • @vojtaheczko5395
    @vojtaheczko5395 2 місяці тому +2

    each video of yours is better in cinematics and scenario depth. Keep going

  • @AmericanUnionState1824
    @AmericanUnionState1824 3 місяці тому +6

    I find it very odd that you didn't mention William Pelley or the Silver legion, I honestly expected that they would have took control of the US.

    • @WFHermans
      @WFHermans 3 місяці тому

      It is mentioned in the video that fascist organizations flourish, I assume his life would be far better in the fascist timeline.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +1

      i did not mention it because I think it would be absorbed in the new government however probably it would have been better tp mention it

    • @AmericanUnionState1824
      @AmericanUnionState1824 3 місяці тому +1

      @@zvallid fare enough

  • @rajgogoi2178
    @rajgogoi2178 2 місяці тому +2

    Nice explanation. This alternate history version is much better than the original one 😂. At least with only one ideology fewer wars would have been fought as against our timeline.

  • @Reinhard_Erlik
    @Reinhard_Erlik 3 місяці тому +6

    What a beautiful conclusion.

  • @Eggboredyes
    @Eggboredyes 2 місяці тому +2

    The amount if effort in these videos are truly impressive keep up the great work 👏👍

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you!

  • @stefanovillino772
    @stefanovillino772 3 місяці тому +10

    Excluding ofc the awesome work, the correct title is like "What if USA joined the good guys?"

  • @horatiuscocles8052
    @horatiuscocles8052 19 днів тому +2

    Generally, I don't think it is necessary to annex the East Coast of Mexico to extract its oil unless the plan is to eventually annex more of Mexico in time

  • @hank780
    @hank780 3 місяці тому +7

    Thank you for making this. An interesting scenario indeed. Maybe you could do a What if the Soviet Union becames fascist with Konstantin Rodzaevsky? or perhaps what if the germany monarchists deposed Hitler before WW2?

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому

      I would like to make a what if hitler remain an artist

    • @hank780
      @hank780 3 місяці тому +2

      @@zvallid so like a what if Hitler never rose to power

    • @blauwbeer556
      @blauwbeer556 3 місяці тому +1

      @@zvallid Hitler wasn't a very good artist, indeed, his true calling was architecture as the art school suggested. Maybe you could do a documentary on the famous architect, his successes, failures and struggles. You could make it super immersive, barely aknowledging any political/international changes unless it is directly relevant to him. It could end peacefully, or perhaps quite dramatically with him serving in the army once again before facing his doom.
      just some random ideas that popped in my head.

  • @gavindavis7514
    @gavindavis7514 Місяць тому +1

    Only the Japanese were interned in our timeline, purely because half the US population was German or Italian

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 2 місяці тому +2

    Lore of 1934: What if USA turn Fascist momentum 100

  • @FuntimeVictimerFNAFBR
    @FuntimeVictimerFNAFBR 2 місяці тому +2

    Idea: Communist USA but with 2 scenarios
    1st: the SU is still there
    2nd: White Russia won the civil war
    You could go on about how these scenarios' cold war would happen too(although more like what would cause it to happen)

  • @862verycool
    @862verycool 2 місяці тому +3

    What if Sweden Won The Great Northern War? something old enough to get people interested considering you don’t do a lot of videos past the 1900s

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому +1

      yes you are right it could be interesting

  • @pedro_megagames
    @pedro_megagames 3 місяці тому +2

    I love finding pieces of gold like these in my recommended. Keep up the good work!

  • @codyfunderburk3664
    @codyfunderburk3664 3 місяці тому +11

    I love it, USA have a Italy-like status and rules under Fascist Rule of the USA, I don’t know what comes next but maybe Richard Nixon will be Second General Secretary of the Fascist America in May 1964 or maybe George H.W. Bush will win the 1980 Presidential Election or maybe a clash between USA and Japan in 1965 after a American Battleship just destroyed near Japanese Taiwan, maybe that will happen during the following decades, but it was a awesomely great video and I love it

    • @SamSam-df4ow
      @SamSam-df4ow 3 місяці тому +3

      Why would Japan attack the country that gives them oil

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +2

      probably the clash between USA and japan will happen the same but later

  • @JPOGers
    @JPOGers Місяць тому +2

    We’re about to find out this November! 😀

  • @oliverstianhugaas7493
    @oliverstianhugaas7493 3 місяці тому +3

    Always a pleasure to see a new video from this great academic.

  • @2good2lose53
    @2good2lose53 3 місяці тому +2

    Thanks for still doing these videos even if it is nit so easy❤️
    If you need help with anything… just ask us your community

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому

      sure! thank you!

  • @luisreyes1963
    @luisreyes1963 Місяць тому +5

    Project 2025.... 90 Years earlier. 💀

  • @HM-rz8nv
    @HM-rz8nv Місяць тому

    This is actually good alternate history based strongly on real historical details and sociology to weave together a compelling narrative of how things could have played out. Huge breath of fresh air from the various quack "alternate history" that exist on youtube.

  • @Troy_Tempest
    @Troy_Tempest 3 місяці тому +3

    Great video, although I would have kept the Eastern Front running till end 1943/early 1944 to include North Africa, eventually linking up with Army Group South!

  • @CPorter
    @CPorter 2 місяці тому +2

    Me & My boyfriend watched this. Our main takeaways from this, or ciriticisms is, that religion wasn't used at all somehow to influence the American populum's actions. Where is Father Coughlin during all this? Does WMCA continue supporting his anti-semetic rants in 1938? Also how did Huey Long have no deep impact in politics discusses here, yet remained a big enough threat to warrant relocation? Lastly, why would they go fascist specifically, as apposed to deeper Left-wing views of capitalism and progression?
    Other than that, great watch overall. I love your narration style, your editing style is great too. Good on you for being one of only several youtubers who bother to make 20s - 30s film footage look realistic by slowing down the speed! Your voice is great for this too!

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому +1

      I think father coughlin would be in a relocation camp with his friend huey long. I think the anti semitism would be limited since part of the oligarchy ruling usa are jews.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому

      Infact It Is not a true fascist government, more a dictstorship of and oligarchy.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  2 місяці тому

      Huey long would be One of the 100000 people isolated in the camps

    • @CPorter
      @CPorter 2 місяці тому

      @@zvallid yeah but he would have had more political recogniition to some degree before the camps started.

  • @minhmeo9506
    @minhmeo9506 3 місяці тому +13

    A huge OOF for the Soviets 😅

  • @alancranford3398
    @alancranford3398 2 місяці тому +1

    Alternate histories are useful for figuring out what happened in the past--and why.

  • @RegentOfGreece
    @RegentOfGreece 3 місяці тому +6

    If America did turn Fascist, I at least feel a Coalition of Republicans, Democrats, and most or all minority groups in America would join forces together to stop the Fascists.
    But aside my own opinion, this was a fantastic video! Awesome work, you guys. Have a wonderful day. ❤

  • @ruthcanales8289
    @ruthcanales8289 3 дні тому +1

    mexican painter is wild for this one 💀

  • @vinhmai5566
    @vinhmai5566 3 місяці тому +4

    Mexico: Oh god not again
    (Also can you make a video on what if the Byzantine Empire survived?)

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +3

      yes it could be a good video

    • @RegentOfGreece
      @RegentOfGreece 3 місяці тому +2

      @zvallid Just curious for your opinion, would it make sense for the Byzantines to be more Liberal along the lines of the British and French? Since most Greeks are attuned to Democracy?

    • @vinhmai5566
      @vinhmai5566 3 місяці тому +2

      @@RegentOfGreece well maybe

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +1

      @@RegentOfGreece I think it could happen without too much pressure on the borders, but the situation was different

    • @RegentOfGreece
      @RegentOfGreece 3 місяці тому +1

      @zvallid makes sense. :)
      Actually, I did want to ask if you were interested in making another possible video. What if the Free France was recognized as the true French government earlier than when it originally was.
      If it's alright with you, I do have a scenario thought up if you're interested in trying it sometime?

  • @NewDealChief
    @NewDealChief 2 місяці тому

    Babe, wake up, Zvallid just posted another alternate history video.
    I always appreciate how good these videos are. They're made like its a documentary, I love 'em.

  • @Luca-5382
    @Luca-5382 3 місяці тому +3

    Yes! Another Z vallid video! I was waiting for this scenario

  • @sebping7205
    @sebping7205 3 місяці тому +2

    Very interesting and good video - as always, my dear friend. :)
    And I have two questions about this scenario:
    1. If France and especially Britain did not support Poland in this scenario, why did Poland still refuse the German negotiations about Danzig and the other big problems that lead to the German-Polish War? Couldn't Poland instead become a strong German ally in the war against the Soviets?
    2. Are Russians, Slavs and other ethnicities treated well in the eastern countries under German supervision?
    I am looking forward to your answers :)
    And I just wanted to say I am happy that you incorporated into your scenario, that Germany did not declare war on the western European nations - but only after England and France declared war on Germany, in our timeline. Also Germany did not take territory from Yugoslavia, since they are axis-aligned in this world.
    The German leadership was perfectly fine with Germans living in other countries, as long as they were treated well.
    So I am very happy that you got the facts right - I did not expect anything else from you :)

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +1

      May be you are right about Poland. Without the support and the british false promises ptobably there would have been and accord about danzig.

  • @Stormbringer2012
    @Stormbringer2012 3 місяці тому +17

    FDR was a joke and the New Deal was the punchline.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +7

      I think you are right

    • @Yungdaggerdic992
      @Yungdaggerdic992 3 місяці тому +9

      He saved the country

    • @kijangberburu5991
      @kijangberburu5991 3 місяці тому +10

      U sure ? He's not just a leader, he's probably one of the best leader that the us has ever had. He led his nation during it's darkest and hardest time, he also had a polio that almost took his life, he was the spirit of the american people, full of charisma and fearless of anything.

    • @RegentOfGreece
      @RegentOfGreece 3 місяці тому

      I mean, yes, a couple of his policies were less than agreeable, bit for the most part, he led the charge of the Allies to eventually Liberate Europe and Asia from the Axis, y'know?
      The New Deal wasn't perfect, but FDR was like a father to all freedom loving peoples.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +2

      ​@@RegentOfGreece FDR new seal was a disaster that proongue the great depression

  • @SamThesillyStuka-bo4qu
    @SamThesillyStuka-bo4qu 2 місяці тому +2

    I really want to see a what if: germanys ww1 allies were actually competent

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y 3 місяці тому +11

    America will get more great if they goes to Fascist during that time… 😢😢😢

    • @SneakyVito
      @SneakyVito 3 місяці тому +2

      soon brother

    • @turanemreckr26
      @turanemreckr26 3 місяці тому

      ​@@SneakyVitoYou mean Trump comeback?

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому

      USA would become the first world power earlier

  • @niksworks9150
    @niksworks9150 3 місяці тому +2

    We got american Caesar before Gta 6

  • @pvt.feligs414
    @pvt.feligs414 3 місяці тому +2

    Great video as always! 💙

  • @LT.KiraHertling1701
    @LT.KiraHertling1701 2 місяці тому +2

    My God, this is really good. Congratulations.

  • @sydryi3086
    @sydryi3086 3 місяці тому +3

    so this is basically if 2024 happened in 1934.

  • @ls-420stoner6
    @ls-420stoner6 3 місяці тому +2

    Zvallid, I just wanna say that I really love this latest piece of Alt-History you made for us.
    However, my autism kinda kicked in during a few places because of your use of Eurotrash metric units instead of 🦅Freedom🦅 Units.
    The pistol used to assassinate Roosevelt was likely a .38 Special chambered revolver similar to what police of that era used. The machine guns used (other than the M-2) were chambered in .30-06. That particular cartridge is still manufactured today and is quite popular for hunting Deer, Feral Hogs, Black Bears, and other medium sized game in North America.
    As for the bit about the American Air Force, well it didn't exist as an independent branch at that time. It was still apart of the U.S. Army as the United States Army Air Corps.
    I do apologize for the nit picking, but I had to get it out of my system. But, I do really love your stories and after I get better, I wanna use your stories as scenarios in tabletop war games.
    Oh, one more thing before I go. I'm an American Citizen and I very much love and value individual rights, freedom and liberty. One thing that I really fear is some form of collectivistic authoritism rearing its ugly head in my homeland. You're a very good hearted man and I do love your philosophical thoughts as well.
    Just outta curiosity, is there any way we can support you and your family financially? I really wanna do something to repay you for everything you've done to entertain and educate us.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +4

      it was interesting read you. I cut some part of the video, in one of them I said that the italian fascism dcould not fit for USA because of different values, history and economy, so probably it would have been similar to the german version. I have no patreon and similar things, I dont' like to ask money. I'm happy you like my work

    • @ls-420stoner6
      @ls-420stoner6 3 місяці тому +1

      @@zvallid I really like your work, TBH they'd provide a great inspiration for some Alt History books.

    • @ls-420stoner6
      @ls-420stoner6 3 місяці тому

      @@zvallid Also, I think it's cool how you included Smedley Butler. To this very day, the USMC still hold him in high regard.
      My question though, what will happen with the Liberty League?

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому

      @@ls-420stoner6 i think it will remain there for long

  • @randommonkey4900
    @randommonkey4900 3 місяці тому +3

    as an american of hispanic descent the thought of something like that happening here in my country is kinda scary, in addition do a what if huey long became president

    • @LoneWolf74511
      @LoneWolf74511 3 місяці тому +1

      Why is it scary?

    • @jorgizoran4340
      @jorgizoran4340 3 місяці тому +1

      @@LoneWolf74511 Because they're Hispanic and a Fascist US would be radically pro European.

    • @kingtachalla6181
      @kingtachalla6181 3 місяці тому +1

      Never was your country nor was it founded for your sanctuary in the first place

  • @jamescoker6155
    @jamescoker6155 Місяць тому

    Very well thought out and presented. Bravo.

  • @AmericanGtag
    @AmericanGtag 3 місяці тому +10

    1934, Us being fascist is interesting.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому +2

      hope you like the video

    • @AmericanGtag
      @AmericanGtag 2 місяці тому +1

      @@zvallid I did it was cool and interesting'

  • @fanboy668
    @fanboy668 2 місяці тому +1

    At least America wasn't conquered by the Axis via Man in the High Castle.

  • @JTL1776
    @JTL1776 3 місяці тому +5

    What if the Bojinka Plot was successful.
    How would the world order be different.

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  3 місяці тому

      it could be interesting

  • @scialacqua9765
    @scialacqua9765 2 місяці тому +2

    Me as black traditionalist "I have mixed sensations"😂

    • @handlessuck777
      @handlessuck777 10 днів тому

      Many Blacks, Muslims, Hispanics and other minorities tend to vote left and support liberal policies despite being "based" and Conservative.

  • @brandoasan5639
    @brandoasan5639 3 місяці тому +3

    Part 2

  • @codyfunderburk3664
    @codyfunderburk3664 Місяць тому +1

    Two questions for President Charles Lindbergh at the end of the video
    1: is Charles Lindbergh a Republican or a Democrat before and during his Presidency
    And 2: does he get a reelection in the 1948 American Presidential Election

    • @zvallid
      @zvallid  Місяць тому

      Probably he will be reelected, probably Republican