FINALLY Driving Our Cummins Swapped 1965 Ford F600
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The last piece of the puzzle for the Hot Rod Hauler is a drive shaft. Our good friend Jay from @theabyssgarage picked up the missing piece of the puzzle, a 2wd slip yoke and a portion of drive shaft. Matt and Steve get to work pressing out the u-joints, and discovered the driveshafts use the same u-joint! After some cutting and welding, the drive shaft is the right length and back in the truck. Let's take this thing for a spin!!
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What would you guys do without Steve he is a good hand to have around I think
You are most likely going to have to change the ratio in the rearend. It will probably be easier to get a complete rear drum to drum and adapt
14:39 the look on Steve's face. And Matt's 24:26. You guys are always so pumped when things come together and another vehicle takes to the road. After all this time it still never gets old.
Passed you on Rt 100 going out to Passmore yesterday around 10:30. Don’t rob a bank with that rig, it kind of stands out!
Haha it sure is pretty obvious!
Me again, this is a direct reminder of our Trans-Am hauler. A 1960 Ford F600 square cab "Canada Dry soda delivery truck". Stock creeper 4 speed with a 292 truck engine with sodium cooled valves (rams horn manifolds now rare). We hauled a 1971 Trans-Am 3199 lb. Mustang. Cut down the fiber glass body sides to just the front section and got a junk yard pumpkin from I think an International for better highway running. Truck was only used for race car stuff and I wonder where it ended up after we sold it. Good unit not over powered as with a Cummins but for the day it was fine. Nice job and good luck.
Might be the best episode ! Them old F series are cool trucks, getting so rare to see any real Legendary Workingman's Trucks.Yours is a real gem,Matt
Back in the old days,even with power assist-you were smart to play it safe if you were heavy.
Ford made thousands and thousand of these when gas was a quarter/gal
CONGRATULATIONS MATT!!!! SHE CAME OUT GREAT!!!! TOTALLY AWSOME UPGRADE!!!! GREAT VIDEO AND EDUCATION. THANKS FOR SHARING!!!! I LEARNED SO MUCH!!!!
What a sweet swap! A two-speed rear end, if you can find one that will fit, is the way to go. You''ll have the low ratio for hauling the freight and the higher ratio for a little more highway speed. Then all that's left is to get Cummins decals on the front fenders and the ITG logo on both sides of the body and you're in bizniz!
Steve is amazing!
High ratio numerically for big loads low ratio numerically for higher speed
Matt, did you index the caps before welding in the yoke?
@@brycechessum4684 Yeah, I know. I wasn't talking low numbers. I was talking low gears.
Turn that air filter forward towards the front of the truck and get some real cold air out of it. Where it's sitting, it will just overheat.
And if you get an exhaust leak, it's really gonna get nothing but hot air move it forward. cut some more holes up front. Feed it cold air.
Nice swap Matt, im a trucker & hot rodder, what you need is around a 3.70 ratio axle so you can use the tork a diesel has, forget a 2speed axle it just gives you a lower range, direct is still direct, diesels like to tork not screem, does wounders for fuel mileage. I run 2.56 ratio axles behind my flatheads, can run 75 on the hiway all day & get 24-26 mpg.
I love your show. Use a lot of lock tight. the bolts on the cummings like to vibrat and back off your bolts.
On a heavy vehicle like this, horsepower pretty much means very little, BUT, ... torque is everything & it's apparent that your Cummins has that in spades. You are never going to throw it around like a sports car, so as long as it can cruise at an acceptable highway speed without red line running the engine, & it pulls up hills without becoming a rolling road block, then you have a winner. That's what TORQUE is good for. So stiffen up the diff ratio a little & happy trucking is yours for the taking.
Hey Matt, Mike and Steve, great job on Big Red! Looking forward to the polishing ahead (new rear end gears and exhaust stack) adding the winch etc for hauling... Great job all around!
Now you need a Ford truck / Pontiac Super Stocker hood scoop .
I will say the music on the mid week uploads is right on.
Cool 😎 thank goodness for big red truck 😊
Thank you Matt , Steve and Mike for the update on the hauler !
Thank you Matt, Steve video cool 😎
You need a necker knob for that steering. Good job.
Now all it needs is a bangin Iron Trap sign on it. Maybe you can pull that old sign off & just wrap it ? I can imagine that truck now returning to the Pacific Northwest to do some pickin. Ty for taking us along
This episode was epic, all the years I've watched, it's the first time I've ever seen Matt using hatchery on anything. Matt using a torch and a giant hammer on the inner fender well was great, he didn't lock up or anything. I was waiting for him to start having fits, or start start foaming at the mouth. 😄🤣
Man!!! That thing is soo bad ass,matt u look hella kool driving it..i cant wait to see a model a on back of it.
You should be able to find a two speed rear that would bolt in that Ford We did that with my uncles trash trucks years ago there was a truck junk yard near Gilbertsville had a lot of that stuff Theos rears were 12 volt or vacuum controlled Both the trucks we had had then with 4 a d 5 peed trans
That cummings is the ticket for such a big truck. I'm sure the vintage ford motor could haul that big truck around, but not like a cummings. One thing you might want to consider is a in dash GPS speedometer off Amozon and a Vintage Air kit. Nice truck with a great swap. You just made that old truck very practical. Great work, and content Matt, Mike, and Steve!
Congratulations Matt and crew! You made a truck that was only good as a show piece to a useful powerful tool. I love this thing!
You should go to the truck boneyard and get a whole new differential with air ride and the proper gearing, and with the air brake E brake on the system would be pretty simple to do just on the rears
You have the wheelbase, put an auxiliary in it. Full blown big rig twin stick and should help with the highway
It’s cool! Great idea going the Cummins route?
You need some vintage looking Cummins emblems for the front fenders.
Now that you are a "Diesel Guy" your driving style that will need to be modified. The most important habit you need to develop is Never Lug A Diesel. RPM should not drop below 1500 in gear. So a tachometer should be installed. That Cummins in stock trim maxes at 2600 to 2800 rpm. These engines can easily be pushed up to about 380 hp with bolt on parts. They will still be reliable at that hp. There is so much torque in the Cummins that a taller gear will be an excellent move. Find out the ratio used on a Dodge truck of a similar GVW with that engine. That will put you in the ball park. I have 2 of those engines in my 32' boat. They use 4 gal per hour each at 2000 rpm doing 20knots. Keep up the great videos!
It looks incredibly cool going down the road. A/C and higher gears would be great final additions.
I'm glad the driveshaft came out OK. From the scenes shown on the video, it didn't appear that you took any great pains to align the yolks on the U-joints. If the yolks are too far out of alignment, the U-joints will bind and cause vibration. This is important even with a 2-piece shaft. As to changing the rear axle, you may find yourself going to a more modern 8 bolt wheel arrangement. A good idea in any case. Those old two-piece wheels are dangerous! Also that truck would look awesome with a nice set of Alcoa aluminum rims. A nice project well worth doing. Congratulations!
Now get Hot Rod Jen over there and paint IRON TRAP GARAGE on that baby!
Yahoo it's on the road, it looks like it's riding a nose high which surprises me considering the weight of the diesel engine. I would have thought the diesel would outweigh the gas engine even there's a two cylinder difference. Yup a two-speed rear screw is your next swap then it's Katie bar the gate. Matt I might suggest looking in junkyards that specialize in buses and trucks for a two-speed, I drove a bus with a two-speed and boy did it make a difference.
Great job! The rear swap might be nothing more than a "drop in" swap. Many truck manufactures use axles form Eaton and the like and will swap in without trouble. Good luck.
Hey guys , enjoyed the video, good luck with the truck, nice job...Ralph
I knew this one would awesome and it is. Thanks for the video.
If the existing gear ratio is 6.80, the goal would be to get somewhere in the 4.88 to 5.43 ratio speed. For the existing rearend, no such animal exists or interchanges directly.
I’m a driveshaft and gear guy, and have been known for it for 20 plus years. I’m wracking my memory for something medium duty that would have a gear ratio in that range and drum brakes, even in an older motor home chassis possibility. I’m coming up with nothing.
The only other possibilities would be an old “Brownie” overdrive box that would basically replaced the driveshaft carrier bearing. I don’t have any catalog info about overdrive gear ratio. The other would be if Gear Vendors has something that might handle the torque and u-joints size that is common 1410 series.
Other folks mention a two speed rearend. A two speed shifted in high ratio is the same as a standard rearend with the same ratio as the two speed in high. All the two speed gets you is a planetary gear reduction inside the ring gear when shifted into low range. There’s enough difference in low to high ratio that it’s not usable as a passing gear drop-down.
A guy might be able to modify a one ton pickup rearend with the right gear ratio, then you would be screaming for the 13 inch rear brakes to get bigger to stop.
Disc brake rears for a medium duty truck typically use a 1.75 or 2.00 bore master cylinder powered by a hydraulic brake booster with electric motor pump backup. If my Wagner catalog info is correct, the largest bore that the existing M/C could be is 1.50”.
I’m throwing in a ton of info to help to stay out of a rabbit hole. I’ve been involved with stuff like this for over 30 years.
Don’t try that tire spin burnout. If you break an axle, you might find an axle shaft. If you splatter the spider and axle gears inside the carrier, or break a tooth off of the ring or pinion,……you’ll be damn lucky to find a replacement used diff that wasn’t grain truck or log truck worn completely down. Gear shops that build rearends can maybe source a diff bearing kit, no replacement gears, and zero fast ratio gear sets for the same reason that the old gas burner was gutless and nutless.
Thanks for the road trip video, all that work paid off.
Super Cool! You should black out the side panels where the greenish logo is now and put Iron Trap logo with the Flathead and then do ghost flames 🔥 coming out the exhaust trailing towards the back. It was great how everything kinda fell into place. 👍
You definitely need to put sound barrier material on the firewall inside and out plus the floorboard
That’s on the to do list
2 Speed rear diff would be the ticket.
Need a digital to cable adapter to keep that cool speedometer
Agreed!
Awesome Job, Well done!
Morning ITG! I would say your Cummins 24 valve swap is a success!! You may want to install a backup camera!! I am thinking about doing this same swap on my 96 Ford F350 dually pickup...if I can find a Dodge pickup as a donor vehicle I may do the Swap....be safe!!
Stay with a ford diesel
Are you a 460 gas or a 7.3 international diesel?
I get the 460 because the fuel mileage is so bad (although it is a great engine).
If it's a diesel why would you want to swap it out as it's pretty legendary in its own right and makes pretty good power and with a few upgrades you can hang with a pretty modern truck and still be reliable.
Nice work, Matt. Now its time to add a tachometer to the Fodge!
Nice swap! I thinking you need around a 4:10 gear to make it highway friendly. I wonder if you can even find different gears for that rear.
For some of the wacky things that I have put together, I used adapter U-joints or cross U-joints
Nice truck. Look for a top kick or a Kodiak with straight axles front with disk brakes and the rearend with better gears for the truck.
If you can get the air filter to the other side of the engine away from turbo heat or box the filter in to keep turbo heat out
Now it's time to replace the rearend up to a 480 or 500 gear. That'll help you a lot.
Keep on truckin, appears to run well 😅
Not sure how old the tires are, but maybe when you replace them, you could find a size much taller. I wouldn't think you really want that old truck to go 80 mph anyway, 65 would be fast enough for me.
running board cam was sweet looking at the motor
That is totally Bitchin. I love it. Nice job guys well worth it even if you don’t keep the truck you’ll still get a lot more for it.
How funny, hearing you say the big red truck .It's like the big red dog on a kids show.😂😂😂😂😂
We called first gear the "granny" gear and only used it when the load required or we were stuck in mud or something.
That truck is sweet... would look awesome lowered down .. maybe on air bags...
That would be rad! One step at a time!
Bad ass red truck love it
Great bill I would be thinking Vintage Air for the inside the cab I would be thinking two speed rear end some of those old gas trucks had a factory hood scoop this truck needs that it's going to be a great package with a Hemi Coupe on the back great build guys
Definitely a 2-speed differential is the ticket 😊. Greetings from Lexington Kentucky.
Congrats on 150 k subs
Cool ass truck.
Peak truck, absolutely mint
Hey Steve, did you knock some insulation off your finger?
I noticed the electrical tape.
Dude!!! Swap out one of those U-Haul chassis you rent!!! Lower Rider and highway gears!!! Lol!!✌️
WOW, I'm looking at Steve; he has a lot of gray hair since starting in your shop.
Give me the "Meat Truck" days any Day. Back when Hot Rods were Built, not Bought! It was a much better channel then...IMO. ...Newk from Kentucky
Cool build.
If your going to use as a ramp truck check for clearance. Might have to notch the bed out or angle the rear section down. We had grating on our F 600.
Very nice rig now could be 15 to 25 mph but so much smoother and better than before 6 bang just to sluggish ❤🎉😅
The old D600 I drove was a 292 Gas,4 speed with a two speed diff,it would FLY!
Definitely need to change the gearing in the rearend and add the iron trap logo on the side with maybe some pinstriping.
That thing is bad ass..yeah id look into a two speed rear or a rear diff swap..awesome job boys!
I'd bet your chase car spotted the hood lifting, just wanted to let you know I seen it too 28:43
Big Red is looking good ! 😁👍
Dude !! Haha !! that thing is freakin' Rad !!
Very nice job Matt and Steve
I look forward to the diff swap out vid.
You sure got that put together, it's a success.
Coming up next, a Cummins 32 3 window hot rod. A hot rod that can pull tree stumps! 😅
BIG RED LOOKS GREAT CONGRATULATIONS.
Back in the old days (1966-70) when I was in college, I worked for a custom wheat harvester during the summers. We had a couple of Ford bob-tailed grain trucks of about the same vintage as your truck. They had 292 Y block engines. I can testify that they would run over 55MPH when empty. Guess the key difference was that they had 2 speed axles. With the right gearing and that cummins engine, the truck should easily run faster.
I hope you cleaned the surface rust off the Dodge yoke.
How did you do the throttle linkage to the pump?
Do you have a mechanical shut down for the pump?
You got to change that rear for a more highway set if 5th is 1:1
You would get a little more power and better fuel consumption if the engine ran at a higher water temp.
Looking good guys from steve c from the state of Oregon
Very nice conversion I think you need to change rear gear to allow 65-70 in 5th
Weigh it so you don’t end up getting parked by DOT officers. You don’t wanna be over 26,000 pounds loaded. If they catch you without a cdl you’re in trouble. Also since it has a business name on it, (yea even if it’s old and not in business) they may require you to put a DOT number on it and a “not for hire”. I know it’s silly but they can be like that sometimes.
As a. CDL holder, that is a single axle so he doesn’t need a CDL.
Great build enjoyed the journey.
I knew Steve was gonna be the tech head on the job.😮......
Did you get the universals in phase?
I don't think I have ever seen a 60's F600 that did NOT have an Eaton 2-speed in it. There should be thousands of old grain trucks setting around the country with 15M Eaton 2-speeds in them.
Awesome build great job
Neat stuff.
Running strong looking hot.
Matt I would suggest you guys get the driveshaft in the big red truck balanced. And probably want to check into and overdrive unit to obtain highway speeds without ringing the nuts off cummins.
Great project with a great outcome..Must change rear gear ratio..
Pretty big grin
You guys out did yourselves on this one . Built an awesome truck ! Can you buy a overdrive unit from gearvender's for this trans ?
Ya, you can see if they ever made a rear end chuck that’s in the 4.10 to 4.56 ratio, or just find a modern F600 or Kodiak with straight axles with disk brakes and better gear ratios
Looks like you are gear bound. While a 2 speed rear will help, my experience in heavy truck with 2 speed rears wasn't good. They were hard on drivelines. For some reason, the 2 speed rears were big on the East coast. I should say that most of the driveline problems were with our daily rentals where the drivers didn't have a lot of experience. Our shop in Bensalem wanted to upgrade the driveline with heavier tubes. The problem with doing that is you no longer have the easiest and least expensive part as the weak link.
I don't know what your rear axle ratio is, but you need to pick one that will make first gear useful. That will give you good speed in sixth. But you know that.
Put a Browning 2 speed in it.