Facing the Challenges of Boris Johnson’s Hard Brexit - Professor Michael Dougan

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  • @Mark1526374859
    @Mark1526374859 Рік тому +1

    It’s deeply worrying that so few people have heard this talk.

  • @cartmann227
    @cartmann227 3 роки тому +11

    Very true words. Thank you Michael Dougan!

  • @jt95124
    @jt95124 3 роки тому +28

    In the 2000s, I (from US) talked to UK co-workers who thought it was crazy that a president could be elected who did not get a majority of the votes. I am struck by UK now being revealed to have a government system which can be even more easily gamed into authoritarianism. Trump = Johnson, just a different flavor.

    • @edgryff
      @edgryff 3 роки тому +4

      True, although technically the UK doesn't vote for its head of state at all ....

    • @sinOsiris
      @sinOsiris 2 роки тому +1

      you are.... neuraxed

    • @biocapsule7311
      @biocapsule7311 2 роки тому

      Both system while different in flavor, suffers from the same maladies that all system suffer from. *Time.* Corruption happens over time because it takes an amount of time for people be accustom to gaming it. Time for demographics to be groom for any particular way of entrenched thinking. Why conservativism are more often then not the issue. They presents the most entrenched to every particular system.

  • @alexeric3898
    @alexeric3898 3 роки тому +34

    Great chat.
    And yes here in the EU the UK is definitely being seen as unhinged, completely untrustworthy and potentially very dangerous.

    • @corn1530
      @corn1530 2 роки тому

      A britisch Trump

    • @corn1530
      @corn1530 2 роки тому +4

      Its the same mechanism who the Nazi used against the Jews. Creating a atmosphere of hate with fake news and lies. So they can play a game of there own. And making money out of it.

    • @stephenpockley5665
      @stephenpockley5665 2 роки тому +1

      Why would we care what those lot in the EU think of us they are nothing to us now

    • @eskileriksson4457
      @eskileriksson4457 2 роки тому +2

      ​ Because there are a lot of people in the EU. Because the UK economy is going down the drain. And don't write "us", when you're sitting in a crammed office in St. Petersburg.

    • @stephenpockley5665
      @stephenpockley5665 2 роки тому

      @@eskileriksson4457 Also by using the term "us" I'm referring to the majority of us , suck it up we are out of the vile EU and will never return

  • @helenooft9664
    @helenooft9664 3 роки тому +9

    I love this comment finally the truth is being told here, thank you.

  • @okonomimono9869
    @okonomimono9869 2 роки тому +2

    The final "rejoin comment" points to why the people need to emigrate. After Scots and the NI leave the union, England and Wales would go through some economic pain, and evolve into a Republic. This would happen when the elected government can no longer blame the EU for the pain, and the anger would turn towards the most wealthy in the nation. Canada will end up receiving more of the royals.

  • @johnjackson7162
    @johnjackson7162 3 роки тому +14

    Thanks for a fantastic video! It seems like GB is becoming like Russia.

    • @Charlies247
      @Charlies247 2 роки тому

      Not becoming. It is exactly like Russia. Corruption is rife. Disgusting administration is in control and needs to be completely overhauled. The U.K. is over.

    • @jasonkingshott2971
      @jasonkingshott2971 2 роки тому

      You do write a lot of garbage.

  • @mrchainanimal3637
    @mrchainanimal3637 2 роки тому +1

    Great discussion... and I could not agree more on the point that was made about Hungary. I think the EU was and is much to nice to them.

  • @eskileriksson4457
    @eskileriksson4457 2 роки тому +3

    @Michael Dougan: You know full well why they are doing this. Austerity and economic depression is what you want, if you already have a lot of money. Preferably in a different currency, and in an offshore account. Then you can buy labour, real estate and companies at all time low prices.

  • @biocapsule7311
    @biocapsule7311 2 роки тому +2

    I disagree that Johnson "dream" of this Brexit, it would implied he actually care about anything other then himself. I think he couldn't care less what issues help him get his power, he just didn't imagine there would be so much 'work' involved.

  • @paulgallagher6314
    @paulgallagher6314 2 роки тому +4

    Excellent 25 minute opening, finally some truth and clarity.

    • @alexanderromanov737
      @alexanderromanov737 2 роки тому

      Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
      Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
      It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.

  • @Paul_C
    @Paul_C 2 роки тому +1

    Great chat indeed. Sadly I fear that last remark is like hitting a nail on its head. I fear England is going to wreck the UK. Scotland needs to get out first, preferably next year. It will trigger a constitution debacle, therefore no UK anymore.

  • @PMMagro
    @PMMagro 2 роки тому +3

    I you want problems you get problems.
    The UK has still not, since the decision in 2015, made her mind up what she wil have after the EUmembership.
    Keep blaming the EU, that wil help a lot. Soudn slike a colleuage still bitter about his exwife for hos problems ten years later after he was the one who wanted to break up.

    • @alexanderromanov737
      @alexanderromanov737 2 роки тому

      Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
      Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
      It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.

  • @oak699
    @oak699 3 роки тому +7

    Poignant analysis, poignantly brought.

  • @naom7756
    @naom7756 2 роки тому +2

    21:30 this is the best and funniest description I've ever heard, and it sums up what happened with extreme rigor

  • @simonlegg8940
    @simonlegg8940 2 роки тому

    What surprises me is that the conservative party would effectively become UKIP,

    • @hurri7720
      @hurri7720 2 роки тому

      Has it not happened already.

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      Essentially the 2016 referendum was designed to stop UKIP/Brexit Party (whatever) from destroying the Conservative and Unionist Party. So nothing like the ERG then.

  • @lesleywillis6177
    @lesleywillis6177 2 роки тому +2

    I’m sorry, I’m at about 7 minutes and I cannot watch any more. “Hard Brexit “ mentioned about a dozen times. Please stop. This phrase was invented to promote the policy of “less Brexit “, to minimise the implementation of that which we VOTED for! Several times in fact.

    • @alexanderromanov737
      @alexanderromanov737 2 роки тому

      Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
      Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
      It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.

    • @lesleywillis6177
      @lesleywillis6177 2 роки тому

      @@alexanderromanov737 I like Johnson no more than you do. It’s a shame we had to vote him into power in order to try to secure the Brexit we deserved and voted for. If Theresa May did a reasonable job she would still be there. As it is Johnson has done very little better!

    • @ed1726
      @ed1726 2 роки тому

      You voted Leave, that is all. How to actually leave, and how to answer millions of individual decisions concerning how to leave, you did not vote on at all (let alone what to do after). The usage of the terms hard and soft brexit, concerning all these millions of decisions, is short hand for a spectrum of cooperation and non cooperation. i.e. do we say stuff the good friday agreement (hard brexit) or try to come up with some way to save it (soft brexit). And remember the good friday agreement took years to write up and sign and followed many many years of troubles and it is one single agreement. Your coin toss vote doesn't begin to answer how to deal with this one problem let alone the entire rest of our co-dependence on the EU.

  • @experiencescotlanddifferen4910
    @experiencescotlanddifferen4910 2 роки тому +1

    That Dougan dude is out of this Island I hope. He just simply can't be British or my whole brainless fact is falling apart. He is far to clear and educated!!!

  • @alexanderromanov737
    @alexanderromanov737 2 роки тому

    Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
    Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
    It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      The amusing, to me, thing is that the Tory gutter Press seem to regard Alexander Lebedev as a "former" KGB Agent. I always though that the only way to be "former" in the KGB was to have stopped breathing, permanently.

  • @alexanderromanov737
    @alexanderromanov737 2 роки тому

    The NHS privatisation bill is going through parliament today, under cover of some brown people crossing the Channel

    • @alexanderromanov737
      @alexanderromanov737 2 роки тому

      Edited from the Press 2016 and 2022
      Here in continental Europe, Johnson and his clown show have been kept well out of the Ukraine loop for safety. You may remember Johnson's candid photo at Stansted airport after seeming to have slept in the Easy Jet baggage hold, on his return from his fourth attendance at the oligarch's favorite son's drug addled 'Russian Bonga Bonga' style party in 2016 at Lebedev's palace, which is "so camera'd up that shots can be take from ten angles at a time for "extra clarity" in Perugia where "everything is on the menu" and according to MI5,6,7,8 and 9 "all who attend are compromised by Putin's dubious friends"
      It appears that in the corridors of Brussels, they haven't forgotten either. "We don't want Johnson, the scruffy liar, to spill the beans again to Putin in exchange for a further delay in publishing the "Italian Party Pictures in HD" regarding our actions and our help in Ukraine" said Ursula to Šefčovič, in fluent Polish.

  • @sinOsiris
    @sinOsiris 2 роки тому +1

    initial instances it will be hard yet upon time comes eventually soft°
    humanity endure
    ----
    the economic machinery require certain amplitudes to be cohesive
    indeed timing....
    but what are the preparedness?
    the background work to make sure Britain stay competitive also attractive at the same time?
    the usual telemetry --
    talk discuss inking agreement only then the following kinetics
    but in self determination the things that are mattered most come into view almost immediately
    that you must take and put into utter good use
    EU cognizant at mind albeit intermittently
    °for goodness sake EU members mere kilometres away closest neighbour
    you guys actually stop seeing eye to eye in coming days?
    besides HRH the Royal Family are Europeans
    ----

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      And yet, for all your waffle, gravity will have its way.

  • @declanwhite5535
    @declanwhite5535 2 роки тому

    Question 3 - Political naivety on display. A statelet founded on a gerrymandered mandate has been evidently constructed as something of an imagined legitimacy in the British political mindset. One could say this of the political system on the island of Britain as well by the way.👀👍 When Irish nationalists began in the 1930's gaining electoral power in the north of Ireland the system was quickly changed to first past the post. So what do you do ? 🤷‍♂️ I agree with your political agenda on the Island of Britain by the way.

  • @experiencescotlanddifferen4910
    @experiencescotlanddifferen4910 2 роки тому

    This Cambridge guys are a proper joke and represent the few non fascists very well (((((((((-: Maybe they should or they should think about doing something and maybe then and maybe a bit earlier and maybe even think about what (((((((((((((((((((((((((-: lets hope for the best!!!!! Just make sure you wait long enough to really make sure the EU can never forget!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961
    @realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961 2 роки тому +2

    Brexit was WTO not Johnson's deal

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      If you think that the TCA is any better than WTO-only Rules you've got anther think coming.

    • @realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961
      @realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961 2 роки тому

      @@petergaskin1811 I said the best deal we had was WTO which is what was voted for. Johnson's deal was a joke

  • @dougrumsey4288
    @dougrumsey4288 3 роки тому +3

    De Gaulle to Adenauer"Europe is France and Germany,the rest is just trimmings". Churchill to De Gaulle "Given the choice of Europe and the open sea,Britain will always choose the open sea".qed

    • @AM-fs1je
      @AM-fs1je 2 роки тому

      Evidently that is bojo's entire takeaway from Churchill.

    • @dougrumsey4288
      @dougrumsey4288 2 роки тому

      @@AM-fs1je Very likely,tho he has yet to issue orders to open fire on the french navy.

    • @hurri7720
      @hurri7720 2 роки тому +1

      Just a stupid story not based on any truth at all.
      Still there are people who fall for such rubbish and people who invent the rubbish.

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      And what, pray is the size of the British Merchant fleet at present? Or even its Navy? QED.

    • @dougrumsey4288
      @dougrumsey4288 2 роки тому

      @@petergaskin1811 Better late than never Peter!,All the more reason to rearm ,cuts to eduction ,NHS and welfare would be a mighty fine start to defend our way of life with a modern and forward thinking navy.Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of the powers to be.

  • @andrewthomas405
    @andrewthomas405 2 роки тому +2

    No THANKYOU …I will be happy once full Brexit has been achieved …..and every deal dropped with the dictatorship

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 2 роки тому +1

      I think you will be doing that without Scotland

    • @robduncan599
      @robduncan599 2 роки тому

      Your input will have a profound effect on EU - UK politics going forward.
      Only wasn't uk supposed to be a trading nation ?
      Yet you think a 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea ' in Europe will be a fruitful future for UK ?
      How is uk going to make a trading profit? Any ideas?
      After Northern Ireland and Scotland's secession, little England will do what and interact with who ?

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      You mean some time in the 23rd Century?

  • @jasonkingshott2971
    @jasonkingshott2971 2 роки тому

    Let's be clear, this guy is trying to flog a book!

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      And you would prefer to peddle nonsense. Look up the meaning of "ad hominem".

  • @jasbindersingh2441
    @jasbindersingh2441 2 роки тому +2

    Don't keep banging on about "Johnsons deal" being a hard brexit. A hard brexit (for which read brexit) would have been a clean no deal. What we've got is a softer brexit with part of the country trapped in the the fking single market/ customs Union.

    • @50043211
      @50043211 2 роки тому +1

      Let me guess, you truly believe that the UK has a Free Trade Agreement with the EU, dont you. Little hint, if that was the case, the Tories would not blaber about Article 16 all the time! NVM, BREXIT! Let it continue! Let it increase!

    • @biocapsule7311
      @biocapsule7311 2 роки тому +2

      No... you have a hard Brexit, basically just 1 step away from no deal. Hard Brexit is a range of conditions, no-deal is the worst within that range.

    • @batcollins3714
      @batcollins3714 2 роки тому +1

      And they love it as they have none of the disasters that are happening in little england

    • @hurri7720
      @hurri7720 2 роки тому +2

      Most people assume when we talk about a deal that it would be something internal and external laws allows.
      The deal you write about, due to your lack of knowledge, would be against the law like a deal with a bank using a gun.
      One reason, if not the only, is the Good Friday agreement Britain has signed.
      And well, regarding the single market, when Britain joined, the British economy was below also France and Italy.
      Joining Britain managed to surpass both and become number two within the EU.
      And for the future, just wait and see.

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      If you actually bothered to read the TCA (hint: I have - all 2,500 pages of it), you would realise that it is barely, really only barely better than full-on WTO only Rules. Be thankful for small mercies. There is even no place for the ECJ in the deal. It is administered by processes laid down in the Vienna Conventions. This is the only TCA the EU has negotiated that doesn't rely on the ECJ to adjudicate it. If the Tories carry on with their NI Protocol Bill, The EU may very well suspend the TCA completely. Then you will be introduced to WTO/GATT24 Rules in all their majesty. And you will subsequently learn about "Most Favoured Nation Status Rules" in all their gory and extremely expensive glory.

  • @byroneckhardt4131
    @byroneckhardt4131 2 роки тому +2

    Leave won, get over it.

  • @chrisdickson9965
    @chrisdickson9965 2 роки тому +4

    One angry bloke - he ignores the fact that there is no future in the EU. He ignores the fact that the percentage exports from the UK to the EU have consistently fallen (35 %) for over 20 years - against the backdrop of the EU expanding from 186 million people in 1992 to 486 million now. Would any remainer like to explain how they think that is good ! - because no university professor will.

    • @ab-ym3bf
      @ab-ym3bf 2 роки тому +8

      No one will, because it is a futile exercise to educate the willfully ignorant uneducated english. .

    • @dougrumsey4288
      @dougrumsey4288 2 роки тому

      @@ab-ym3bf racist.

    • @ab-ym3bf
      @ab-ym3bf 2 роки тому +3

      @@dougrumsey4288 ah bless. Another one voluntarily proving my post. Look up what a racist is. And what a race is.

    • @peterbohren3637
      @peterbohren3637 2 роки тому +2

      Maybe this should be a hint for you why no university professor is willing to explain this.

    • @dougrumsey4288
      @dougrumsey4288 2 роки тому

      @@ab-ym3bf think you should address this comment to the adherents of BLM and other such Marxist organisations.

  • @libertybellgaming6551
    @libertybellgaming6551 2 роки тому +1

    Chuckle. Bitter rejoinism 😄😄

    • @bellycurious
      @bellycurious 2 роки тому +1

      The uk had to wait 12 years to join the Eu because of France. De Gaulle thought the english weren't trustworthy ( and boy was he right!) You can relaxe because even if the uk had a referendum to join the EU and yes won, that probably will not happen any time soon.

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 2 роки тому +1

      Too right.
      Sick of having to do whatever madcap scheme England wants to do.
      🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • @petergaskin1811
      @petergaskin1811 2 роки тому

      You won, stop whining.