Prof Dorling (Uni of Oxford) - Brexit and the End of the British Empire
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- A Grand Challenges lecture at Keele University by Professor Danny Dorling, the University of Oxford.
Find out more about Keele University at keele.ac.uk.
From Brexit the British may learn a great deal about themselves as a result of having voted to 'Leave'. Not least that Britain, and even Brexit, has its roots in the British Empire.
Traditionally British Geography, a subject that was partly born in its current form in Britain due to Empire, has not been very good at explaining what the Empire was and why it mattered so much to Britain.
Brexit may well be the point at which the English, in particular, finally learn about the importance of geography.
Geography is central to Brexit - from the Irish border through to the modern day priorities of India. In hindsight, living with the highest rate of income inequality in Europe was arguably the real problem for the British, rather than being in the EU per see.
The source of British woes was not immigrants or some perceived lack of sovereignty, but of their own making, and possibly (at least in part) an outcome of having so recently been at the heart of the largest empire the world has ever known.
It is one year later and there is now a UK cabinet that is worse than the one pictured. The current one.
You think so.... Boris rolls out a successful vaccine program compared to labour's last government who took us on a journey through illegal wars.
The British Empire finished decades ago. Before most of us were born.
yes but most brits havent grasped that simple fact yet.
Still living in the warm afterglow.
@@iaindunbar1578 as French, I can fairly affirm this feeling is shared on the other side of the channel.
@George Washington And George Washington is indigenous to north America.
Tom, it finally finished when British left the Indian subcontinent.!
If I had had someone like this at school I would never have played truant. wonderful lecture.
Well, at least we made Russia happy by leaving...
Isn't he just... I could listen to him for hours (and have done so) and learned a lot at the same time. Thank you to Prof Dorling for making available these wonderful, informative lectures.
For once so happy the algorithm brought this lecture to my attention. Absolutely and painfully relevant.
Too few views. Why is well researched analysis unpopular?
Involves critical thinking and its not a three word slogan.
Absolutely brilliant. To me it’s just like the Dunning Kruger affect on a national scale, you think you know enough so you stop learning and because you stop learning you never know how it is that you might be wrong because if you knew how you could be wrong but he wouldn’t have stopped learning. Same in America, largely the same here in Australia. We are the best, we do things the right way, there’s nothing more you can tell us, therefore if anything goes wrong it’s because somebody else is doing it to us, couldn’t possibly be that we are doing it to ourselves
Pretty spot on assessment I think.
Thank you 🙏 Keele University.
Fascinating lecture but quite depressing tuning in from the cusp of 2023.
An absolutely outstanding lecture ... in a scary sort of way. But it all makes sense, I'm afraid.
Just to give one thought, I was brought up to somehow believe that the NHS was almost unique to the UK, so it's a shock to learn that somewhere like e.g. Spain spends more. Without really thinking about it, I would sort of imagine that elsewhere, apart maybe from Scandinavia or Switzerland, you'd be left to expire by the roadside. These ideas are not so much explicitly taught as absorbed through a kind of social osmosis. This is the first time I've seen any real light shone on all of this. But we need much much more, and the sooner the better.
As a German I think @ 50:30 is were the rubber hits the road. We're around 45%, you're somewhere at 36% of GDP. That difference is pocketed by the rich, that's what they used to pay for keeping the guillotines at bay. Thatcher and Reagan thought the rich paid to much for their safety. i.imgur.com/MQUSuzc.gif
German Healthcare System (Krankenkasse) was founded 1883 it's 65 years before NHS
Wow! This guy nails it, absolutely calls it and fantastic analysis
I think you should cut back on the medication. Or perhaps, study history?
Best analysis of Brexit I've seen. Apart from Fintan O'Toole.
such a shame so few people watched this. excellent analysis
Prof. Dorling gives a brilliant analysis of the decline and fall of Great Britain. He takes Arnold Toynbee's framing of challenge and response to uncover the hidden causation of decline. His geographical insight leads us to a different perspective on British textbooks which emphasized a nationalistic agenda. The historical texts have distorted the new role of Great Britain and its future. Great Britain may end up as a Balkanized country with 20% of the regions growing- becoming wealthy at the expense of 80% of the regions living a substandard life. The high cost of Brexit is that it is a catalyst for economic decline and poverty.
If you want to see a microcosm of Balkanisation, just look at any town who carry on with the flawed "Doctrine" of multiculturalism- ghettoisation is a more apt description of this failed experiment.
@@stephenmcdonagh2795 Guess who wanted the Eastern European countries to become full member of the EU with freedom of movement? The Tories!
@@TorianTammas And you don't believe the Labour Party had a childish, "Hands across the world" philosophy?
Besides, the Tories got Britain out of that corrupt cabal of failed politicians and popinjays, a system based on a misreading of history and how wars happen.
@@stephenmcdonagh2795 We have 2020, the Tories are 10 years in power. The Tories lead to a decline, an increase in debts. The UK has more debts then GDP. The Tories are a real disaster and they are 5 more years here to make it worse.
@@TorianTammas Sounds like Boris derangement syndrome to me. Blame the EU drones of the Labour Party for their "We know what's best for the little people- let's just ignore their votes" stuck up attitude.
Yeh Corbinistas have a blind spot for his stupidity- and it's always the cozy metro-bots who live in a Richard Curtis wet dream that screw everyone over due to their own inflated sense of entitlement.
Brilliant! Thank you! - from someone who was propagandised by 'stiff upper lip' private schooling and Rule Britannia textbooks but always smelt a rat! And rails against the economic illiteracy, let alone arithmetical incompetence, of Brexit!
Brexit was always a simple equation of logic. In the EU club = Club benefits such as frictionless trade. Outside the EU club = No Club benefits so no frictionless trade!
Promoters of Brexit lied endlessly and curtailed our actual freedom of living and working in Europe!
Not exactly difficult to understand!
Ireland has a high level of inward migration from outside the island. Dorling is good on some broad brush questions, less so on factual detail.
@@kmadge9820 doesn't more or less every rich European country have tons of immigration because of our failing birthrates? Immigration is a simple necessity.
Do you need a couch to lie on?
@@hobi1kenobi112 Thank you but no need on my part! However, I know of manifold millions of other Brits who are in need of your kind offer…
There is a definite strand of leaver that very much believes in English exceptionalism, and that exceptionalism chaffs at the thought of being on equal terms with other european countries and therefore the concept of the EU. That exceptionalism has a few strands to it, like the Englands role role in the WW2 (downplaying the role of the Americans and especially the Russians), but the Empire is where the exceptionalism originates and a large part of its current justification.
Spot on... I wish most in England understood that the world sees them that way...
You must have had a bad education and a misguided upbringing to have this ideology of people who have different opinions to yourself.
I think you're a little hard on exceptionalist Brexiteers and their idealogy and parents. But yes the poor education, particularly around world history outside Britain does contribute significantly to this distorted world view.
Superiority is hard-wired into national identity for too many English people.
Krp Krp Tally Really? It’s glaringly obvious to anyone with any critical distance, particularly those who come here from somewhere else.
Such a great watch! Thank you
What is missing here is that Brexit was really wanted by the top owners of the country. I mean the people who own the country, who decides who is who, even at the elections. Is it so difficult to see it?
Absolutely born out by events.
So the one per cent has 52% of the votes.😆
Possibly but it was voted by 51% of the voters. So they must take responsibility for the decision. Fortunately, it is exactely what is happening.
@@danielepavone3131 Frankly this is bs. "51% of those who voted", in fact, and very much less than 5O% of those eligible to register to vote. Around 30% I believe. And zero coherent political opposition, and a barage of illegal electronic canvassing. If people are subjected to years of disinformation and manipulation, they may be theoretically responsible but blaming them is futile, a political dead end.
@@kmadge9820 if i sell shit calling it chocolate spread and people flock to buy it, and say it tastes gteat, i might be a liar but they are as dumb as it gets. But what is more, is that they still believe it after you have shown them the cows producing it. According to your way of thinking we should restrict our criticism to the very elite of the nazi regime and not to the army or its followers, since they had been affected by years of propaganda. Yet you in Britain keeo blaming "the germans" for all the atrocities committed by the nazi in ww2. It is either one or the other, you to choose.
Total trade in goods and services (exports plus imports) between the UK and Ireland was £59.4 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q2 2021, a decrease of 6.4% or £4.0 billion from the four quarters to the end of Q2 2020. Of this £59.4 billion: • Total UK exports to Ireland amounted to £39.7 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q2 2021 (an increase of 4.7% or £1.8 billion compared to the four quarters to the end of Q2 2020); • Total UK imports from Ireland amounted to £19.7 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q2 2021 (a decrease of 22.7% or £5.8 billion compared to the four quarters to the end of Q2 2020).
"...why do we need schools that teach you to absolutely believe in yourself..." Perfect summary of our past & present mind set. Sincerely hope, Brexit aftermath will help us to leave, destructive part of, that mind set behind.
Of course it won't. The people at the top want to keep you in your place.
Sorry you won't leave behind ........It is in your blood
and bloodshed & looting you did !!!
Now I get where all the insecurity and the dire need to compensate comes from. Thanks!
Some very interesting graphs and observations. However, I don’t think that the professor proves his point. I know many leave voters and the majority claim that their vote was based upon the undemocratic nature of the EU constitution, it being run by unelected bureaucrats. Being dominated by Germany and yet the UK being the 2nd biggest contributor, The move towards a federal state when people believed that when we voted in the 1970s we were sold a free trade area. All of those are substantial reasons and nothing to do with the empire. I accept that I know only a relatively small number of leavers, but their views are consistent and rational. When challenged on the economic effects leave voters accept that there will be hard times, however, that is a price they are willing to pay and so far no recession. 55:31 55:31
Remember “Murder on the Orient Express”? Whose hand was it in the knife? EVERYONE’S.
Or 52% of hands to be precise.
It is worrying indeed that England, being at a crossroad after the glories of the British Empire, is now governed by such poor politicians who are letting down the population in every respect, including morally. Europe could have been the place for a warm embrace to recover from the past and to join forces with neighboring countries for creating and maintaining the best possible life conditions for all people throughout the European continent. It is a pity.
The Scottish government passed the Referendum Bill...10/02/2022 and has said the Indyref2 will be at the end of 2023.
Watching this After Liz Truss, I remember growing up in the 90's. Britain felt like a different place. And it wasnt that long ago
imagine what your grandfather feels.
@@galleon1968 surely everything pales in comparison to leaving the EU, a hard fought Euopean peace. I went to a french school for a couple of years, during that time we taught about the importance of the EU as a structure to unite European countries, a safe guard from extremism. We toured an EU building. What are the English taught? How the Empire was great?
So they didn’t let you make up your own mind they told you this is good and you must like it? It didn’t keep the peace in Europe, the fact that until the 90s Europe was split between America and Russia did. I can tell that between primary and high school the British Empire was not mentioned even once, except as a historical fact in relation to other things. The average British student is far more likely to know about Hitler and the Holocaust than the British EmpireI had to find out about the British Empire through my own reading which in any semi modern book would tell me it was a generally wicked thing
Its all about the Tax havens and tax avoidence
Or democracy?
Talk about hammering the jigsaw pieces into place to find the picture you want.
Somebody heard something they didnt want to hear
This is a turning point for Britain it won't be called the United Kingdom anymore as Scotland will soon be Independent, N Ireland will soon join Ireland so Wales and England will have to be called rUK (rest of the UK) or little Britain.
Im afraid it wont since well, wales hasnt really been for independence i belive their independence party lost seats the last election, the SNP lost their vote for independence in their "once in a generation" vote so clearly it was only one chance, Northern Ireland still has the DUP which if im not wrong has a majority or is about 50/50. The UK is unlikely to fall any time soon
Nowhere in the Edinburgh Agreement (official documents regarding 2014 Scottish independence referendum) does it state "Once in a generation" so that myth has been exposed, also support for Scottish independence is currently running at 55% & rising. The UK will not exist in 5 years.
@Paul RS - we will see!
@Paul RS - As for the economic argument, the latest GERS figure show that Scotland cannot afford to stay in the union, it obviously isn't working for Scotland.
George Shaw let’s do a hard brexit and find out
Painfully impressive. England is staring at fifteen years of true utter hardship, at minimum.
It seems unavoidable but also necessary. We have to experience the economic decline and the decline in international influence to learn what we thought we had learned from the Suez crisis.
And when the tories are kicked out,the incoming government will be faced with a hellishly impossible task...that of trying to rebuild britain into a modest shadow of its former self.
@@howler6490 And the incoming government will be punished for it instead of remembering who's fault is. (Although to be really fair Labour Party never opposed Brexit because they thought it was beneficial for them).
Just bumped on this lecture almost by accident 18 month after it was released. It is excellent thank you and it is still very much to the point after all this time. This lecture provides very simple and clear truths. Now I would like to know from Prof. Dorling where is the UK heading to? Thank you from France.
1st generation builds it ( EMPIRE ) , 2nd generation enjoys it and 3rd generation destroys it
Interesting. With your permission I like to add few words, relevant to UK.
1st generation builds it (British Empire)
2nd generation enjoys it (& give European Union idea) and
3rd generation destroys it (lying, deceiving & coward leadership got us Brexit)
Amazing - thank you so much for posting this lecture.
The map of immigration in Ireland just reminds us that migration rates hasn’t changed much over time, just who we regard as migrants and the distance they have traveled so now someone moving from a village to a city isn’t called a migrant as late as 1800 they would have been. In 1910 many of the people we now call immigrants wouldn’t have been. As the sphere of influence of big cities has grown the distance people travel to work in them has also grown.
Would have liked to have seen the Q&A. His central thesis seems to be that relatively affluent older people voted Leave in droves, and they did so because their schooling taught them that Britain was top empire and remarkable in every way. France also had a very large empire that included parts of all corners of the world. I’m thinking that the French have been less inclined to leave the EU because a) their conquest by Germany showed that despite empire, inventions etc they were fallible, and b) they co-founded the EEC and placed France at the heart of the EU. Not for nothing there is resistance to the suggestion that the Parliament should relocate for efficiency from Strasbourg to Brussels.
Occupation by a foreign power is humbling. The last time the UK was actually invaded successfully those in power renamed it the Glorious Revolution. Great propaganda.
@Steven Redpath “soundbite history” rarely stacks up when you dig into it
@@jaywalker1233 feel free to dig into it all you like but remember that it is the victor who gets to dictate the narrative. The facts are, though, that William of Orange arrived in Britain with an army on 3 ships and invaded the country. His way was made easier by high ranking traitors who sought to overthrow the reigning monarch and if their plot had failed their heads would have been placed on spikes. The fact this invasion was called the Glorious Revolution was pure propaganda to legitimise a foreign king becoming the head of state. That he was married to a Stuart was just another part of the plot to confer legitimacy on the coup.
Steven Redpath “The facts are”, as you present them, highly selective and partial in order to make a point that distorts the events which can only be understood by a much more in depth and balanced account - hence my comment. So, no it was not an “invasion” as most people would understand that word, it was more akin to a political coup with a pre-prepared, stage managed “invasion” masterminded by 6 English Lords and the Bishop of London - all of whom sat in Parliament. You ignored British religious politics (a key reason), fear of European Catholic dominance (Brexit parallels anyone?) and James II’s increasingly tyrannical behaviours. I could go on and on, but this is not a suitable forum for extended discourse which would be necessary in order to refute attempts to make misleading “points”.
@@jaywalker1233 pointing out that there is an alternative perspective and explanation of events is an essential part of history and historical discussion. As for it not being an invasion, a foreign army landed in England. A foreign king became head of state. Sure there were many underlying reasons for this but to deny it was an invasion is akin to calling the civil war in Ireland “the troubles” as the British government did. And those people were enemy collaborators who would have been executed for high treason if the coup hadn’t succeeded.
I would have loved to know Prof Dorling's reaction to the not only the EU elections but also to the General Election in Dec 2019.
Oh its not just Spain who thinks that Gibraltar its a colony, the UN does as well... thats why Gibraltar is on the naughty list of territories considered as such.
What about Spains colony’s in North Africa.
@@johnwilson3842 Check again buddy, those 2 cities and the handfull of islets you call colonies, are not colonies. The UN commitee on decolonization agrees aswell, so you argument is null and void.
Ceuta and Melilla were part of the Visigoth spanish Kingdom, who inherited/took the territory from the Roman Empire, the Arabs took Ceuta and launched the invasion of mainland Spain from its port, and as such, they were reconquered from the muslims centuries before the state of Morrocco was even a vague notion on peoples minds, and more a collection of war like tribes that fought and hated each other. Both cities have since been treated as parts of mainland Spain, with no special status as separate entities like Gibraltar has had for all its history under british rule.
Plus we didnt evict the locals and filled the place with our people, like the British did, infact the local muslim inhabitants of Ceuta and Melilla enlist on mass on the two muslim mayority regiments charged with the defense of Spain´s african territories. Almost as if we integrated them...
Damn self determination. Unacceptable. In both Gibraltar case and UK wanting to leave the EU.
@@Roguesquadroon of course they are colonies! They are militarised enclaves in a different continent. Your we quixotic vision of Spain sounds just like the false history of the British empire this guy is talking about
@@peterrobertnixon2243 Im sorry for your delusional state, the fact that they are militarized, or that they are enclaves, Even tho most are islands, has NOTHING to do with their status.
I know this pains your anglocentric mind, but the UN has never considered the spanish territories in North Africa as colonies, never has issued a resolution for them to be returned and never will because the definition of "colony" does simply not apply to places like Ceuta and Melilla or the Alhucema Islands.
The descendants of the original inhabitants still live there, overwhemingly muslim and fervorously patriotic spaniards who enlist en masse into the regiments tasked with their defense. They werent kicked out and replaced with overseas mainlanders like the british did in Gibraltar.
Thats why Gibraltar, STILL is on the naughty list...
In the german language it’s ‘auslander” meaning someone not from our land , in the Netherland language it’s ‘ buitenlander” meaning someone from outside, in English it’s ‘foreigner” meaning something that shouldn’t be there , as in an xray ‘there’s a foreign body here , as in a motor mechanic saying there’s something foreign in this malfunctioning engine , anther example of something that shouldn’t be there , it has to go otherwise the engine won’t work efficiently, we have to operate to remove the object otherwise the patient will suffer, give me strength !
Revoltingsheeple I’m not sure how you’re reply fits in with what i posted ? But hey ho live and let live boyo
Awesome insight!
Clear and painfull. On the Continent we move on. Not an easy way to walk either however... the only way to go. People are not aware of the collective benefits and yes, sometimes it hurts.
A honest man..!
20:35 Should've gone to Barnard Castle 😉
I love these university types
"I'm undergraduate semi epileptic assistant pro vice permanent chancellor
elect " 😎
Brexit had little or no adverse affect on Ireland with the one exception a huge increase in inward investment, the fact was that Ireland had moved away from an agricultural economy to a high tech producer of pharmaceuticals, medical devices, computer chips and software decades ago, one would think the British should have known this.
Weird. So i am 8o, was at grammar school in the 50's. We learned all about opium, and textiles and imperial preference, and colonial wars in Africa. Is he really saying education is so shabby these days?
Brilliant explanation 👏
Remarkable lecture.
LoL. "There has never ever been a cabinet like.... wow... I can't find the words". Hold my beer, as they say 😉
Wow. I would like to know what Prof Dorling thinks about our current situation.
This how bad 2018/19 was and I would say 2020 is so far so much worse
@Don’t tread on me yes we are especially since Trump lost the vote there’s country even close now
hmm and now the winter of 2022-23... could you have dared imagine in 2020?
@@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765 Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving!!!
The British empire was nothing like the Roman empire and only biggest in land area. Not dominating much anything alone in the world.
Hence they speak Latin still as the world language?
@@danielwebb8402 , no they don't, but it gives a posh atmosphere of knowledge if you can remember some phrases in Latin.
I am speaking about the British.
@@hurri7720 I know you are. So we have dominated the world language wise. Today. Is the point I was failing to try and make.
@@danielwebb8402 , starting from the beginning, the speech by Prof Dorling was very fine and proper, much to the point.
But he was introduced by a guy who pulled this gem.- "the largest empire the world has ever known" and that is so silly so childish.
Empire is about power and influence not about landmass.
Perhaps you should have a new look at the Empire here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire#/media/File:The_British_Empire.png
Canada and Australia introduced no great power.
Looting the third world was nothing new.
As for the language the number three out of four for me.
Yes it has become largely the number two language in the world but if we are honest it wasn't the Empire that made English popular but the United States.
During the time of the Empire English was a lot less important than French and German in Europe. That only changed after WW2 due to the Americans and well Hollywood and of course due to the great emigration to the USA.
Nothing wrong with that English is a Germanic language with some 10.000 words from French (making the spelling a bit odd though).
And for instance regarding India and the Empire we find this:
"After gaining independence from the United Kingdom in 1947, English remained an official language of the new Dominion of India and later the Republic of India. Only a few hundred thousand Indians, or less than 0.1% of the total population, spoke English as their first language.".
There is no reason not to be proud about ones country but there are good reasons not to sound silly for no good reasons. And the English have a certain tendency to pull the "world leading" a bit too often not based on facts.
@@pj4496 , it's rather worthless to do such a comparison about things then, back in time.
I don't think there was ever an empire not based on force and looting.
That is how you created one. But the British, some, seem to be a bit reluctant to admit it or get over it.
Still mentally basking in the sun that never sat, sort of.
You don't find anything similar except among some Russians who still miss the Russian empire. Spain, Portugal or Italy non of that sticking out all the time.
lloyds of london moved its hq to brussels.
Companies will cope with the outputs regardless. Not sure about people
@@faridbouakline2862 for the big companies it will be easier to adapt, for the big majority of small to medium seize companies it will make trade a lot more cumbersome. some will adapt the rest will go under
when? source, please? wikipedia states differently
No it hasn’t
A lot of people in England still think the Sun never shines
11:22 The movie The Riot Club" is what this cartoon reminds me of, starring Sam Claflin
Why do we keep beating ourselves up over having an empire.
The Romans had an empire. The Mongols, Egyptians etc had empires.
The muslims had an empire ( and will do again).
Wer'e no worse. Britain needs to hold its head up now and again.
The Chinese are building one now
Jeremy Paxman has written a very good book about the British Empire, it opened my eyes with some unpalatable truths.
Brexit wasn’t about money, and only those who voted to stay in the EU thought It was……which partly explains why they lost the vote but also why a persistent minority refuses to accept the settled will of the majority of their countrymen.
And also because we of the old school refuse to recognize ANY government unless it is a democratically elected one elected under universal suffrage and with a proper legal mandate to govern as such. NOT THE CASE IN THE DEVIL'S EU.👹👹👹👹👹
17 million out of 65 mil isn't the majority of the union. Its the majority of those who voted. NI and Scotland voted remain heavily and are both rightly pissed off from the fallout and ramifications of Brexit. Tricky issue to just shut up about
@@adampeckham8541 there you go breaking your own petty little rule, not everyone in Scotland or Ireland voted to remain………..and it’s not a tricky issue at all for anyone who isn’t wedded to getting their own way at all costs..
@@leemyring97 uh OK 😂😂👍
So Britain's problem is in fact an identity issue.
Tamalia Alisjahbana yes, but I think Britain’s problem is also that Britain doesn’t work for the majority of Britain’s, and the problems are being blamed on others rather than the actual people gutting the country. So you say, my living conditions are getting worse because of these foreign people, or my living conditions are getting worse because people with plenty of money are corrupting democracy and spinning a story on the media every night so the public won’t take action against them. It’s much easier to understand that foreigners you know nothing about are the bad guys than trying to explain a complex socio-economic framework at play that has been screwing the majority of the population for 40 years. That’s hard to understand, even though all the evidence suggests that’s the actual problem
Indeed. The mash report did a very clever sketch on it a few years back.
@@conors4430 Reagan-Thatcher.
The key problem: privatization.
Not too sure Scotland has to 'create it's own country', last time I looked it already was and is just in a political union with another country.
How much of an independent country is it if it votes majority remain and still has to leave
45:18 what no slovenia?
A face off between a medium sized country and a huge powerful economic bloc, they both want the best deal for their citizens. Which one has the most leverage? Why should they take pity on the other? Why make this personal? It's just simple facts and numbers. Brits make this so personal. It's just business, numbers, facts. The EU will come out with what they want because they are much stronger. Common sense.
d s the eu want us to stay so they won’t get what they want
The Dis-United Kingdom is desperate for a deal otherwise they would have just left. The deluded brexiteers actually think the Dis-United Kingdom is on a equal footing with the EU lol 🤗😂
If any member state of the EU chooses to leave then their decision should be respected and a free trade agreement should be negotiated that is fair to both sides.
@@jonoessex - It can't be better or equal to the deal the members have.
At least we're having a normal chat here. It's just abusing each other when I read other chat places.
1. Weird idea that anti colonialism recent - it started in 1930s. It was VERY prevalent!!!
2. Text books with colonial sentiments?? Born in 1955. Never seen one in a school I attended.
3. Picture of Cabinet and its appalling standards. Words fail me. No illegal wars, spies or treason, Keeler ...on and on.
4. Far right in Britain? One of the reasons I voted leave was the large far right parties in EU. Makes me shiver.
5. Anti immigration is to do with overcrowding. Oh here we go I'm a racist! Ask my two daughters in law - both first gens.
Despite the supposed woes of Brexit, London is still the top overall destination for financial services worldwide - including as the leading foreign exchange trading centre - according to a new report by the City of London Corporation. Beating other cities to the crown - including New York, Singapore, and Paris - thanks to an “unmatched international financial reach” across 95 metrics…The City was once again found to be Europe’s top destination for financial services investment, and was given an overall competitiveness score of 61, with New York 3 points behind at 58 and Singapore on 53. Paris, meanwhile, scored just 41…Once again proving London is still a global leader in finance and commerce, despite repeated warnings that all this would come crashing down once we left Europe. Two years on, and that supposed exodus of talent is yet to materialize…
But it has lost a substanial amount of business, and it was never forecast to sink overnight, and according to JRM we wont see any brexit benefits for 50 years, and by the way things are going working people will take longer to recover to the levels of the past.
The Tories were always going to look after their backers and ensure Brexit wasn’t hard on them. Other sectors of the economy could be thrown under the bus to protect the financial sector and Tory backers.
@Aditya Chavarkar Because the democratic majority of the UK said so, they voted for sovereignty, independence from a corrupt, anti democratic, unaccountable, protectionist, mafioso organisation run by a bunch of childish, vindictive, self serving, gravy train riding, free loading parasites.
London is still strong but lots of European countries are catching up and the uks economy is undoubtedly suffering due to brexit. Its now undeniable
Great lecture I will be buying your book.
If you can read French then you might like to read "Les Illusions Optiques de l'Union Europeenne", by Charles-Henri Gallois. Shame that he'll never get the chance to put them into practice, now that the country belongs to the EU, at least until 2027.👹👹👹
Mug
Freddie's map was genius.
So what do we do with people we disagree with?
frown at them. sternly. but in a terribly british way. ;-)
The end of the British Empire ended 1945. The empire ending now is the US Empire.
except that it isn't ending, it's getting even more powerful :))
@@DerDop I hope your right, I love America, you got alot of traitors at the top selling you out to China and Russia. If you can get that in order, I agree, you'll be super powerful. Peace
The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't and an electorate clever enough to decode brexit would reject it
A well developed analysis of what has ailed Britain since the WWI. One sees the exact same trajectory in the USA. Loss of Empire is fraught with denial, belief in their excellence despite all indications to the contrary and a skewed version of their history.
The super powers of 21 century are : china , usa and rusia
and Russia sadly.
Oh the EU is a Nation.
The 21th century will be chaos ... climate change.
depends on what you mean by 'superpower' eh. regardless, your analysis is incorrect. usa, china, india, perhaps. or eu, usa, china. safe to say 3 years ago, russia wasn't a 'superpower', a fact now very clearly made. unless 'superpower' refers to 'how big a whack-job the freak running your country is' in which case yep russia counts for sure.
It is certainly the end of one of our fondly held delusions about ourselves: that our academics were world class brains who could bravely think for themselves and be apolitical in the name of intellectual integrity & impartiality (precisely the only reason they have a job - so one starts to wonder how many of them should be employed at all in this career)
Our academic class - on the whole - completely failed us in the Brexit debate. They should have brought cool-headed impartiality to the discussion, but they all joined in the name-calling & sneering* instead - because it was more fun, I suppose
a lot of them did, and so did a lot of politicians, economists, business leaders etc. and that is why remain lost. it wasn't an intellectal argument they were up against, it was - though danny dorling doesn't explicitly state it here - about emotions. emotional arguments backed by appeal to flattering self-image on one hand and fearful, vague notions of sneaky, manipulative foreigners on the other. it was blatantly obvious what was going on looking in from outside. it was also blatantly obvious that it wasn't at all obvious to an awful lot of people within the uk. it was painful to watch, and even more painful to continue watching as our friends and relatives trapped in the uk slowly realise that the trap will take a decade more at a minimum to open. facts failed to stick because they were dispassionate, unemotional, there was no appeal to pride or hope, to generosity and excitement. so fear won.
I could watch this video over and over, BRAVO Danny Dorling!!!
It's a mistake to maintain the notion 48% want the UK to be part of the UK. That 48% has subdivided into 20% rejoiners and 28% rebrainers. I would guess the country is 30% really want out, 20% really want in and 50% couldn't care less. Because we left with a referendum, we would have to re-join with a referendum and that means the 20% convincing 3/5 of the 50% and that is never going to happen.
@@Iazzaboyce Well said. Most sensible & logical comment I've read so far. I was one of the 30%, I never really trusted the EU set-up, how on earth can you have a cartel (that's exactly what it is) making up laws, rules, directives etc etc which are supposed to be to everyone's advantage? Cannot/never will work.👹👹👹
You need help.
What price freedom!!
In my view teaching is the passing on of impartial facts . No such luck here and why we are £2 plus trillion in debt .
what an impoverished education that would be.
There is a political economist by the name of Mark Blyth. Personally i think his take on the reasons for Brexit are more accurate and relevant.
I think he is good as well. But I don't see a contradiction between them. They are just looking at it from different angles.
@@denisdaly1708 This felt a little patronising and dismissive of the people that voted to leave which triggered my original comments. I do plan to sit and watch it again at some point to try and understand his veiw better.
starting 3:30
Social progress after losing a war? Has he never heard of the Russian Revolution and the absolute disaster which followed??
The blokes an ideologically brainwashed fool, don't confuse him with facts.
I've read a lot about Mr Powell That line at 10;30 about him touring the west indies begging locals to come to England sounds very rum. where's the reference.
given it took me seconds to google multiple references (was 1960-1963 fwiw)... maybe try broadening your reading. or reassess what "a lot" means to you versus what it means to others. I dunno. start with google. go from there.
@@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765 That was proved to be a lie, but wiki keeps the lie up.
'We spent a year negotiating.' That's why it went badly. You need atleast 2 years to get started.
Shame I hadnt seen this a few years ago, such great information and analysis, pity that our journalists are in the pockets of billionaires who don't want us to have knowledge.
If you liked this one, chances are that you'll enjoy those talks by Anand Menon as well
@@roelmartinvandervelde9407 thank you I will check them out.
Sometimes we need to get use of our common sense
Momentum’s Secret Weapon, would be nice to hear his opinion of the election result
Dorling has been very supportive of Jeremy Corbyn from 2016 through to his scheduled retirement as Labour Party leader in February 2020. In May 2016, Dorling said: "Jeremy Corbyn can take on the zealots and bigots who use migration to stir up fear and hatred. His popular appeal is not based on stoking up current prejudices. It is based on conviction, love and compassion. Just how cynical do you have to be not to see the hope and possibility in that?"[12] In May 2017 he appeared in a Labour Party political broadcast - "Labour Stands With You" - filmed by Ken Loach and published a week before the June 2017 General Election.
Paul Nolan I’ve no idea and I really couldn’t care less😉
Paul Nolan All I know is that your blood pressure must be dangerously high and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it😁
Great lecture can’t help but point out an issue with the stats. For example, Essex is quoted 62% in favour of Brexit with 622,911 of 1,319,918. The referendum only had two options yes or no. Under that logic Essex vote leave should be 47%. Can someone clear this up for me?
62% of those who voted, that is, voted leave. The 1,319,918 figure is the eligible voting population, of whom the 320,636 who abstained from voting are missing in your calculation.
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Clutching at straws with a few comments, but 52% accurate 😉. Goes on a lot about how immigration was the main reason for leave vote, but the bureaucracy of Brussels was the most reasonable justification for the leave vote.
@Aditya Chavarkar exactly... Why do we want more of it? Haha
@Aditya Chavarkar environment side, well considering that Germany still stripmines for coal and most of the block is still heavily dependent on Russian fossil fuels I don't think that environmental legislation stuff is of much use is it?
It was won on the basis of exploiting your average white provincial racist mind set. Which in turn is a result of a racist imperialist history.
No, it was immigration
@@karlosthejackel69 but also Bureaucracy
Interesting presentation. Brexit still has not been delivered yet over 7 years later. Would be great to hear a follow up given current circumstances and the state of the world i.e. Russian invasion of Ukraine and the upcoming Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
Pretty sure we left a while ago
It never will be delivered because it was based on lies and brexiters continue to lie as the economy deteriorates. The recent opinion polls indicate that this is finally starting to dawn on the electorate, or at least the more intelligent part of it.
@@Dantes.Kakistocracy the Lords have all the power the Cons and Lab are happy with that so that themselves cannot be blamed .you see they are all connected at the end .
Brexit has absolutely been delivered. Just because you don’t like what you got, doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
Brexit as put forward to the British people, can't be delivered. The Brexit you've got, is what was possible. And it was always going to hurt the UK.
16:55 And BS Johnson proved he could put an even worse cabinet together. How much further til we hit the bottom?..
a few months after your comment. in terms of cabinets. so far. likely in terms of social disruption, trade, poverty, healthcare etc at least another 15 years.
Prof Dorling lost me at 10:25. This is simply untrue. Still, why let the truth get in the way of a re-written history.
@@ellenoneill7853 :)))
Dorling has been very supportive of Jeremy Corbyn from 2016 through to his scheduled retirement as Labour Party leader in February 2020. In May 2016, Dorling said: "Jeremy Corbyn can take on the zealots and bigots who use migration to stir up fear and hatred. His popular appeal is not based on stoking up current prejudices. It is based on conviction, love and compassion. Just how cynical do you have to be not to see the hope and possibility in that?"[12] In May 2017 he appeared in a Labour Party political broadcast - "Labour Stands With You" - filmed by Ken Loach and published a week before the June 2017 General Election. Typical biased teaching from the left, a Corbynite fan , so don't take what is said is all the truth.
And people are suppose to take the crap from the right? Should a no-deal come into force, the UK or what is left of it is basically fucked for the next 30-50 years. And who has led you to this? I say this as no fan of Corbyn, because he is an idiotic leaver too. Dorling presented data and their conclusion, that has little to do with Corbyn. What do you and your lot present? More lies? So just because it doesn't aligned with your politics, it is bias and must be dismissed? I am from one of the countries leaver leadership claims they want to 'model' after, and I would tell you that none of those rubbish they sold for Brexit, works the way they describe. If your side has to build your entire case on so much deceit, what do you really have? What are you even doing to yourself? What have you even won? Suffering for no good reason just because some very rich people convince you it's a good thing? Your conservative kept making excuses but they have been in control for a decade, even much longer in the US. And you kept giving them more power. How much more suffering does it take?
Go back to reading your daily mail
title is all good news
If the Brexit initiative is used to stabilize the UK's population and to pursue a genuinely sustainable future (and they go together!) it will prove a great boon. We were stuffing ourselves to the gills with our greed and that of others.
The British empire ended a long time ago!
Utter brilliance
JC did so well because May was so useless. As proven by the 2019 Election as proven by Keir raising the Labour vote percentage & his own way above the PM.
Did we have another election, gosh I must have missed it I didn't know starmer was priminister
Great Lecture. I learned allot! Although I don't think I'm ready to sit a GCSE maths paper quite yet!
The most serious thing to happen since WW2? I'll try to leave aside the question of why I should take anybody seriously who turns up to speak in public looking like they've slept in their clothes for at least two nights. If you don't respect your audience, then why should they respect you?
How many to list? Cuban Missile Crisis, Kenya, Malaya, Rhodesia, Uganda, Falklands, Palestine, Hong Kong, Northern Ireland, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Oil Crisis, Lehman Collapse, Suez.
Just for starters.
The UK joined the EEC for one reason only, it's the reason Macmillan gave in his private papers and explains his reversal of attitude. Our job in the EEC was to stop France from inadvertently giving Germany hegemony over Europe, something the UK had fought two world wars to avoid. The UK has clearly failed in that task, so leaving was the only option left.
The English are having an imperial hangover.
Really? Rickets are back in the UK, according to a recent BBC report, that's right, ox-bow legs.
To be honest, I am a bit baffled by the fact that Dorling works for Oxford.
I guess that, like Bourdieu, he loves to write against the establishment but loves their money even more.
I do not agree. A few more stats; UK has around 3trillion debt, Europe and USA have 30trillion debt. So, whatever you think about the goodness of super-states and the logic of larger unions... Something is broken. And it's most definitely our relationship with energy and value. Is it not better and easier to make a smaller, more manageable thing sustainable and abundant. Surely we should begin with household economics and work our way out toward nation states. Trying to solve problems inside the thing that causes the problems is futile. Dues Vult.
Seriously lightweight stuff from a political activist
And thats all it is. Activism and self indulgence. Ffs this makes me cringe. Why? Because I was surrounded by people like this as a kid.
Thank god I broke away.
@Prof Dorling, Instead of being fixated at "Brexit and the End of the British Empire", you might wanna try to be honest by pondering "Anthony Eden's Suez fiasco in 1956 and End of the British Empire," with the then President Eisenhower being the major accomplice in achieving it. What is the term that people in the street use for it "aide and abetting"?
13:11 is he kidding.
A Party, that simply formed for ONE purpose. to get out of the "free Market"-standards, the European Union imposes, to get the ones coming from New York/Washing.a.ton. @ 44:52 And what have Malta, Ireland, Luxembourg, Cyprus and Switzerland in common? Very Special tax constructs.
I assume you are talking about the party, that is/was legally a company owned/controlled by 2 person.
Are they also the ones to spent all donations?
17% of the population of Ireland we’re not born on the island Ireland actually larger than the immigrant population of the Uk at 14%