The truth about the Z-Cam (Z Cam E2-F6 Review)
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- A review of the Z Cam E2-F6: Last year I did a Z Cam E2-S6 review and now I’m back with an extended Z Cam E2-F6 Review to bring you the truth about the Z-Cam cinema camera.
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00:00 Welcome to my Z Cam E2-F6 Review
00:36 My Z Cam E2-S6 Review
01:05 The Z Cam User Interface
03:33 Z Cam and SDI
04:41 Z Cam iOS Control App
05:36 Z RAW and ProRes RAW - Not the Solution for me
08:15 Awesome cube form factor and build quality
09:46 Z Cam Interchangable Lens Mounts
10:40 The Z Cam Community and Customer Support
11:54 Z Cam Footage - The Look of the E2-S6 and E2-F6
13:08 The Best Budget Friendly Cinema Camera?
13:50 Who is the Z Cam For?
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Thanks so much for that. Just want to say that your pragmatic and no hype approach is incredibly refreshing. Since you have posted a few different camera videos, would love to know which camera do you actually own, which do you use and which is the best camera in terms of image re Z Cam, Komodo, bmpcc6k, ursa 12k, mavo edge. I appreciate that the edge is significantly more expensive. Without wanting to preempt your answer what is it about the images that stand out. Thanks so much.
Thank you! I appreciate that. To answer your question: I own a Komodo, a Z Cam E2-F6 and a Sony a7iii. I just sold an E2-S6 not too long ago. Also recently owned a BMPCC 4K, GH5, GH5S...out of all of the cameras that I've OWNED, the best image thus far has been the RED Komodo. This comes down to personal preference though. Some people don't like the look of RED, but I do. I actually love it. Some like Sony's look more, some like Blackmagic's. But by far, I'm more impressed with what I get out of the Komodo than any of the camera's I mentioned, including the Mavo Edge 8K.
@@joenicklo hey thanks so much for that. I have the Komodo and fx6 c70 but have yet to really warm to any or either and have been looking for a cine camera for ages post the love hate relationship we all seem to have with bmpccs and needed to move up to 4K from c300. Went through 5d, gh5, a7sii and the bmpccs but been waiting for something pro. I had always liked z cam and had the e2 for a while but just never seemed that I could trust the company and it’s direction. Not exactly a line like canon and Sony and the f6 just always seemed a little to expensive given it’s lack of pro controls and features that the usual suspects in opposition had. Also really disliked the forums. That said there was always something about the image that I preferred over bm in the blacks though bmpcc4k and 6k have amazing images and workflow overall. I have always loved kinefinity image but although the form factor has been tidied up I can’t say that I think that the image is better from what I have seen if the edge. It must be but for a brand firmly living in the outskirts of town the price has always seemed difficult to recoup. As much as I have no love for Red and their toys for boys branding, on paper the Komodo seemed a good pro fit given how other cameras seemed to have shot themselves in the foot for one reason or another. The fx6 is really the only camera that seems to have everything but because I wasn’t invested in Sony lenses and kinefinity had lost out in the raw wars, the Komodo with r3d, rf, full frame option with speedbooster, cube, built like a brick shithouse, pro connectors and expanders, sdi, great app, decent screen control, auto focus which kinda works, Netflix approved and an ever expanding eco system seemed the only logical game in town. That said I do find the image a little hit or miss depending on light and what it’s shooting and painfully noisy. In general the image always seems to need nr and sharpening to feel alive. That said it can look magically expensive particularly on products cars etc. Would love to know your post and workflow if you ever have time to share it. Thanks so much for your vibe and continued pragmatic and insightful views. Always a pleasure.
I second pretty much everything you had to say. I bought the E2 S6 back in December coming from an A7s III. That being said I absolutely feel you when you say the menu is not user-friendly. I used it in January to do a fashion editorial behind-the-scenes shoot in NYC and I absolutely LOVED the footage. Tbh I love everything that comes out of this camera. After the shoot, my friend and I went into Times Square and did some run and gun shooting. And I would have to say it was extremely frustrating in that scenario for me.
But for some reason, my HDMI feed started to cut out when the camera would stay on for more than 10 minutes or so and continued to do so. Since it was still in the return window I returned it and said that I would go back to the A7s III. Well... as soon as I picked up another A7s III for a shoot I immediately knew I was going to buy another Zcam because to me the image just doesn't speak to me the way the Zcam does. I know the issue I had is probably rare and that doesn't bother me at all about buying another one. I'm even willing to look past the gripes I have with the user experience because I believe the image is that good.
The footage you let us play with a long time ago was a major reason why I eventually bought a zcam. Even after all things considered I don't regret trying the Zcam one bit. It is probably the best image I've ever got out of a camera I've had the chance to own. I might even go for the F6 this go-round. But I'll def use your link when I do. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I'm really glad to hear about the sample footage helping you make the decision to purchase. It shows me that I should keep doing that for camera reviews. There are a few unappreciative people that literally complain about the footage I provided (it wasn't stabilized, it wasn't perfectly framed, it was this, it was that) and honestly, that made me stop wanting to even give the footage out, but your comment makes me want to start doing it again.
@@joenicklo The people who said that should probably be holding a mirrorless haha. It was way more than enough to figure out what that camera is capable of. I know people who charge just to let you grade their Blabmagic RAW stills lol. What you did was awesome man 💪🏾.
Love the honest review, very informative
Glad it was helpful!
The ZCam FB group saved me from spending almost another $800 on my rig in lenses and adapters. So grateful for that group!
All very valid points here! Great video and great cameras!
Thank you sir!
Great review man! Definitely looking to invest on a Zcam again, once they integrate a new body with SD1 ports 6g/12g, timecode, and hopefully internal ND. Secondly, would be the post-production workflows on Davinci. Lastly, the menu system, I'm not to worried about as the camera still turns on faster than red/arri cams and you can control the settings via the app on your phone/tablet, which makes getting through the menu that much faster. So basically if they can implement a touch screen interface on camera body, they should be good. ***(Previously a Zcam E2c, Zcam E2, E2-S6, E2-F6 owner)***
Great point on the startup time. Anyone coming from ARRI/RED will appreciate it, even the Kinefinity bodies boot longer. I think it all comes down to user interface/user experience.
Always love your reviews and commentary…very honest and informative. Keep up the good work. I am contemplating a second camera to my e2s6 and have been looking into the Sony a74 (since I originally had the a73). Would you say the two cameras can match well enough?
I appreciate that!
Looks like Z cam watched this video and took notes and put all this in the F6 pro.
Hell yeah! That’s what I was thinking ;)
Good video and I agree with your points being an owner myself. Interesting that Premiere doesn't currently support Z-Raw (when the new upgrade took place) and you are saying that Da Vinci also doesn't support Z-Raw. I say it's interesting because when I mentioned this Prem problem to the the Facebook group, the response I got was try Da Vinci. Whereas the response from the z-cam team is extremely tight lipped and I have no idea why. So, is Z-Raw working at all? The other thing is I tried to load some LUTs are per your last video instructions and just failed miserably. I know I can see the LUT effect in the app on my phone (which oddly does communicate brilliant whether in Airplane mode or not) but I want to see them through the ninja and can't and this is very frustrating. Your main bug right at the beginning is mine, but ALSO, finally, this camera resets itself at odd times, so unless you continually dive into those menu, you'll find auto ISO has cut in because some other settings have also self set (like shutter for example after a battery change). The pictures you put up are very good, but I am, like you finding I need to nurse this thing.
So so many good points I totally agree with you about the Z camera e2, on negative and positive side!
Thanks for watching! :)
Having both the Z Cam S6 and F6, I agree with your Pros and Cons list. I’m loving the image and low light capabilities. Using both with the Atomos Ninja V allows me to quickly change settings such as ISO, E-ND, F-Stop and recording formats. I’m using both DaVinci Resolve and Final Cut Pro but do wish the cameras could record B-Raw thru HDMI to Blackmagic Video Assist 12G or Blackmagic would support z-Raw codec (cheaper option). Thanks again for your great well produced content and reviews.
A lot of people seem to want BRAW capability. I just don't like external recording, based on what I shoot and how I shoot it. Thank you for watching :)
@@joenicklo wish it had braw internally!! One can dream!
I own Zcam E2 4k. I love this solomo capable cine camera. Une thing I hope this came has better Manual focus. There is peaking but I love to have like a Canon camera that helps manual focus with triangle marks
Such great reasoning. I still love my S6 and will stick with it for a little longer.
It's a totally solid camera system, so much so that I can't bring myself to sell my E2-F6. I will admit, I like shooting on my Komodo more, but I love having the ability to shoot on full frame if needed. I still plan to shoot my YT videos with it too
Well done! I agree with everything.
Thank you sir. Appreciate you checking the video out.
The modularity in lens mount option alone - Genius! I fly cinema fpv drones and I see so many Comodos with busted lens mount just enough to make the lens wiggles a lot(camera basically useless).
I will say that the modular lens mount is something I really miss since switching to the RED Komodo.
I’ve shared with Z CAM my wish list for features on a new camera. It includes things like SDI. However, SDI brings with it the big problem of damaged SDI ports. The KOMODO is plagued with this issue so much that RED doesn’t even cover it under warranty anymore. I asked Z CAM to build in an isolation transformer so that if they do add SDI, it hopefully will be damage proof.
It’s a pretty easy thing to avoid, just follow SDI protocol
Love my m4! Great slo mo and lowlight.
Great to hear!
Great video! Have you ever had issues with ''stuck'' or hot pixels? Needing to calibrate the camera and wrap it in a blanket to make it overheat and fix the issue? (Z-Cam's instructions on how to recalibrate the camera)
Appreciate you watching! Thankfully, I've never had a stuck pixel on any of my Z Cams.
@@joenicklo Good stuff!
I did a black shade calibration as you described and it made my image much better. The black level on the F6 was exhibiting more noise and a different color reproduction than the S6. Calibration fixed the issue.
I have the original E2 and you nailed every problem. I hope they take notes for the next generation, also don't know if you try it but there is a custom Firmware for RAW, sadly you have to convert it after recording to a DNG sequence. AFAIK internal RAW is not possible due to a RED patent nonsense, a way to bypass that is through an external recorder, maybe ZCam can come out with a semiRAW approach as BM, or maybe an external modular recorder because the patent won't go away soon. Great Video!
Well, looks like we have external BRAW now with the E2-F6 Pro.
Awesome awesome awesome camera. I think z cam is really misunderstood by some. The amount of options it gives you just makes it fit any scenerio so well. I have a Lot of cameras and find the f6 is always the first In my bag. Way more professional than BM.
Good camera indeed. Just needs some work.
Hello,
I really appreciate this video, I want to upgrade my p4k, I probably miss the raw, but I'm very interested, what do you think of the electronic ND they sell?
Thanks for watching. My issue with the eND module was that it didn’t have a “0” setting. If I needed to remove ND completely, I needed to unscrew it and then store it somewhere safely. Screw the clear tray back in (which I also needed to store somewhere) and then repeat.
At that point I figured “why don’t I just use a regular ND filter?”
In my opinion, if you’re not going to use a screw on ND or a matte box for filters, it should be an internal ND that goes from 0 to whatever stops it can go up to cleanly.
If you know that you’ll be ONLY working outdoors in the same environment at all times, then I guess the eND Is a good option. Just wasn’t good for me.
have you tried the turbo mount on the s6 at all? could you test this on your channel please??
I have not yet but if someone sends me a Turbo Mount, I'd try it. I have no intention of buying one.
5:30 - I own a Z-CAM S6 and I am almost always using the app without Airplane mode on when I'm connected to the camera, works just fine for me. Only time I switch on airplane mode when using the camera is if I'm on a plane or I'm wanting to save power on my phone
That’s great. I filmed this video in February of 2022 so they could’ve fixed it. I’ve long since sold both of my Z Cams and moved onto another system. At the time of recording, I needed to toggle airplane mode or disable cellular altogether to connect to the cameras.
It wasn’t a fluke either, it was with multiple Zcam brand cameras and different ios devices.
Gotta get a blackmagic assist monitor for the zcam it’s like having a red body with a blackmagic menu and you get to shoot and braw
I'd definitely try that if I still owned the Z Cams!
Can you tell me how you’re getting the tracking shots of vehicles front on? I am in the U.K. and there are a lot of laws around mounting a camera to the outer body of the car and I’m wondering what work arounds I have!
Hi you can always shoot from inside the vehicle with a gimbal. Or talk to some officials and see if you can get permitting
Good review, thanks. Did you also get your hands on the E2 F6G?
Did you mean S6G? They didn't make an F6G. Either way, yes. I did use the S6G and I was not thrilled with it at all.
@@joenicklo yes sure s6g. Thanks
What you are use flare transition? I love it.
Those are Cinemarkers from Acid Bite www.acidbite.com/products/cinemarkers/
I'd love to see a ZCAM E2-M4 versus BGH1 comparison for Dynamic Range and Color Science.
Best way to test is to rent them and test :)
having owned Red, Sony, and Canon - z cam still knocks them all out in my opinion
Interesting take.
You mentioned using the Sigma 18-35mm lens, was that on your F6 or S6? If you did you use it on the F6 how did that work since the Sigma 18-35mm is designed for APS-C sensors?
S6. The 18-35 vignettes big time on the F6.
Z Cam is great. For me though, it wasn't an upgrade or "plus" to move from BM to Z Cam. I stuck with my BM Pocket 6Ks (might upgrade the pocket 4K, but the benefits of skipping out on variable f stops when using a focal reducer with zoom lenses is the main reason I keep it). One day, I'll move to the RED and Arri ecosystems as I see those as "decade" cameras if that makes sense. But for now, my focus is writing and being an amazing storyteller and move up to showrunner.
Everything in your comment makes absolute sense. I think that I got so frustrated with rigging the BMPCC 4K and was wanting the cube/square form factor so much that I needed to make a move. I will admit, the Komodo was my first choice at that time, but it was unavailable and I refused to pay the scumbag scalpers for one. So, I went with the E2-S6, and then an F6. I still love my Z Cam, and even though I've been back and forth on selling the E2-F6, I'll likely keep it as a low-light powerhouse and even a B/C cam.
@@joenicklo
In answer to the interface troubles, is it possible to setup presets on the camera?
Yes, you can but you have to either dig into the menus to access them, or give up a custom function button.
In general I agree with your position and points, but the things I emphasize are different.
My big cons that you didn’t mention: is that there isn’t enough processing power in the E2 series of cameras. So the HDMI out changes resolution depending on codec/frame rate selected and will drop internal tools (if you’re using them, I don’t) if the camera is too “stressed”.
The second and perhaps biggest issue for me that you didn’t mention is issues with post production support. I had Thatcher Freeman make me a DWG DCTL for ZLog2, and that has more or less fixed a big chunk of this problem, but the lack of having a proper CST in Resolve is a massive issue. I can more or less buy any other camera from Panasonic, Sony, Canon, BM, RED, whoever and expect there will be a proper log conversion.
It’s the software end here that I think Z Cam needs to push almost more than anything else. Workflow is everything in high end productions.
In terms of things you didn’t mention that I really love, the h.265 is a beast for us doc film workers. I literally just filmed today for 2 hours straight for some BTS, and 4K h.265 in 23.98 barely took up 128GB. Which if you’re doing any long form content is beautiful. Especially considering you get all the punch of ProRes (it just means processing it in post takes more system resources due to compression).
Also as a side note, you don’t have to mount the SDI converter into the NPF slot, it’s just the most convenient place for it. It just means you’d have to run power to it through the barrel jacks on the face of it and find a way to mount it somewhere else. SmallRig has a mounting solution just for it. However I think for a lot of smaller setups mounting it elsewhere just makes it awkward.
You can find it here: www.smallrig.com/smallrig-mounting-adapter-for-z-cam-hdmi-to-sdi-converter-2951.html
Just found out you moved to the Komodo. So my response is largely irrelevant at this point.
haha! True, but hopefully Z Cam does make some of the changes. There is so much GOOD with the E2 lineup. So much so that I do miss owning one.
I love this camera!
Very good camera indeed!
Since Z Cam released a "Pro" version of this camera, I feel it needs to be said that the E2 F6 (and perhaps the F8) could do with refresh, perhaps adding a single 6G-SDI port. The difference in price is considerable since Pro also has GenLock and a display, so the refresh would make the F6 more approachable to many users.
You make a really good point there! I feel like if they don't upgrade the F6, the F6 Pro will cannibalize a lot of sales for the F6. But then again, they know how to run a camera manufacturing company way better than me!
I’m with you on the sdi, but i have never felt the menus problematic or even remotely slow. Especially coming from Sony F series cameras. Good stuff as always though👌
Fair enough! Its not that the menus themselves are "slow", it's that they're a hassle to use in fast paced shooting.
F series cameras has ways to get around menu hell that ZCam doesn’t have. As an example you can program entire profiles on the FS7 and then change over to them using any of the programmable buttons on the camera. So if you need to switch rapidly between 4k 24p and 1080 180p, you can do that by simply tapping one button and “executing” if you want or need to. There is also the “my menu” system where you can assign the most used parameters, enter that menu with any of the assignable buttons, and then change them quickly.
If Z Cam had either (or ideally both) of those two simple things, most of the menu diving could be eliminated. With a my menu section I could place resolution, frame rate, hdmi resolution, and codec next to each other as well as audio levels. Just having that as one option alone would drastically speed up Z Cam menuing. But there is no such option.
@@JeremiahBostwick you can set up profiles that can be accessed via a function button. I work in fairly high pace environments, never even found i needed to do that though
Is Zraw compatible in Resolve yet? Id like this camera but i need to be able to use it in resolve
It is not. Sadly.
Does Davinci Resolve support zlog in the ACES transforms?
I don’t use aces so I’d need to check…but I doubt it. Last I checked, they haven’t added zlog to Color Space Transform. I could be wrong though…
Have you updated the firmware becuase now you can shoot everything in prores?
Yes, I have. You still have to shuffle resolutions and versions of ProRes. It's not like you're set to ProRes 422 HQ and can choose any frame rate. No matter what, it's still a hassle of a process.
You don't have to use airplane mode for the ZCAM app but it does take your wifi slot.
I 100% have to disable cell service OR go into airplane mode, on multiple different devices. Z cam even tells people to do that as a troubleshooting method
We have the same poster.
Hell yeah! Automobilist posters are
Did you test the optional electronical ND system?
I did. Was not a huge fan. No “0” setting and there was a magenta tint (if I recall, it’s been a while). Sorry for the delayed reply.
Just a doubt, would the F6 camera with an MFT lens adapter crop the final image?
Good question. I unfortunately can’t answer that one since I no longer own the camera to test it out :(
No it won’t
I like the F6 but not having a proper workflow on Davinci is a big NO for mostly all the DOPs. For me the best thing is the Full Frame and the number of resolutions. And of course form factor.
Yet they insist ProRes RAW Is the future, despite it being incompatible with Resolve, the most widely used color grading platform overall. I get that you can transcode, but not everyone has time to do that.
@@joenicklo i think voukoder plugin allows you to do this.
I wish this camera design had blackmagic pocket 4k internals
They don’t seem to want to listen to those of us asking for a cube camera. either they’re very out of touch with their customer base or they just don’t care and feel that their way is the right way.
Is he using a DC to D tap cord to get power from a V mount battery??
Yes. For a detailed explanation check out the power/battery section of my rig tour: ua-cam.com/video/pqmKx_5Z_Ds/v-deo.html
@@joenicklo definitely will be doing that, love your channel and specifically the Z cam content
I always find that the images Z Cam cameras do produce look like DSLR or Mirrorless footage
So you think the shots in this video look like DSLR/Mirrorless footage? Interesting.
@@joenicklo yeah I love the form factor, the "customability", but I've played with a lot of footage, and found it too digital, no character. For example, the image we get out of the blackmagic pocket series have more character, doesn't look digital, but the form factor is not convenient.
I'm not saying it's a bad camera, but when I look at Z Cam footage, I always think it's a mirrorless camera video
I agree. Zcam got that crunchy look from mirrotless imo. RED or Canon cinema cameras are better
I have 2x z-cam F6, one of them is a very early one, so I have used them extensively.
I have to say your negative 5 has some misinformation
- I have never once set my phone into airplane mode on iPhone or iPad, I use it all the time, so I would say that downside is most likely due to your phone.
- in turn the user experience via the phone is so fast, much better than operating a RED or a Sony or a cannon, having the iPhone hooked up makes this camera one of the fastest to use.
- the combinations of codecs and frame rate and frame size, this is because we are getting the most out the camera, these options are giving us top value, and plenty of other cameras suffer the same
Tip- use pro res LT … it looks great and does everything
- RAW, your complaint about the lack of internal raw is not something that is an option. Originally Zraw was raw, but this is owned by RED so has had to be downgraded,
If internal RAW is what you need or want then buy RED because they own it, (nowadays you can go cannon or Nikon …. But that’s a longer convo)
Sdi out would be nice
This is 100% not misinformation. At the time of recording this video (Feb 2022) the Z Cam control app required many users (not just me) to toggle their phone into airplane mode or turn off cellular service. It's a very well documented situation on the Z Cam user Facebook groups, by Z Cam staff themselves.
Not sure which RED App you've used but the free DSMC3 app is absolutely amazing to use and it's leaps and bounds more robust than the Z Cam app. No lag, no issues with it. The Z Cam app is wonderful, but it's not on the level of the RED Control app.
Yes, the combination of codecs and frame rates are wonderful. I felt I was very clear about my issue with that. In case I wasn't, I'll say that the problem isn't the abundance of codecs, it's the frustratingly convoluted process of cycling between the codecs. The user experience is frustrating to say the least -- it's definitely not just me that feels this way. Check the comments ;)
Regarding RAW there is nothing we can do about it now but the entire ZRAW fiasco is unfortunate.
How does it compare to the BS1H?
I couldn't tell you. I've never used the BS1H.
@@joenicklo thanks for the prompt response. They look very similar on paper.
I want Z cam to make a new E1
F6 Pro comes out soon.
What do YOU love...or hate about the Z Cam?
I recently made a video titled "why I love my Zcam E2-S6" 😅
Great video, and I appreciate the critical point of view. In all your complaints (if I recall correctly) you explain why they are a nuisance to you specifically, and that's very important because different people will have different needs and wants.
I (hobbyist) went from a BMPCC4K to an E2-S6 and have zero regrets.
The UI is the main thing and buttons. The reason I bought the clutch handle accessory was to solve that problem, if they could give us user button assignments to go through saved profiles would be so helpful
I still have concerns on skin tone
What in particular?
Pretty sure the red only captures 12 bit colors
Negative. Redcode RAW is 16 bit
@@joenicklo you have 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20 and so on, Braw is contained in a 16 bit container as interpreted by DaVinci, doesn’t translate to that the camera and the Analog to digital converter in the camera samples RGB data at 16 bit per channel, it clearly doesn’t nor stated that it is 16 bit, it is 12 bit. No where have I seen evidence for Red capturing 65.336 tones per Channel totalling to 281 trillion colors in total. As I am aware not even Arri has that latitude and we all know who has the highest DYnamiC Range and color fidelity, Arri.
@@maxsaltin1001 Here you go: www.red.com/power-of-red-redcode
FIRST!!!
That you were.
Sadly and unfortunately Z-cam Doesn’t have L-mount. Or I would’ve jumped on it.
Wonder why they don’t produce the mount. I’ve never seen an answer.
I love the camera, hate the company. Employees are rude, disrespectful, snarky. No firmware updates in a year, lack of transparency, shady practices. If the brand no longer exists in a few years, that wouldn't be surprising.
That could be a culture thing, not necessarily them being rude/disrespectful. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.